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Speaker 1: Welcome to the forty Niners You've Got Male Podcast sponsored

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Speaker 1: by Manscape. This is an extremely special edition of our

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Speaker 1: You've Got Male Podcast because, well, one, it's the first

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Speaker 1: forty Niners made that blockbuster pre draft trade, which we'll

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Speaker 1: talk about in a minute. But I think even the

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Speaker 1: biggest news is that we're joined by senior writer at

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Speaker 1: ESPN and an NFL analysts on NFL Live and one

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Speaker 1: of my favorite Twitter follows, Miss Mina Kimes, as we

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Speaker 1: wrap up our celebration of Marches Women's History Month with

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Speaker 1: one of the best in the game. Mina, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for joining us. Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. Always good to be in an

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Speaker 1: enemy territory. Yeah, you know what. I love that you

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Speaker 1: We have to. It's only right. Um. We have free agency,

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Speaker 1: we have the draft, we have Jimmy g But I

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Speaker 1: think starting off with some serious businesses that forty fans

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Speaker 1: brace yourself if you don't already know, but Mina's a

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Speaker 1: big Seattle fan. Gained her love of the team from

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Speaker 1: her father years ago, and as much as it hurts

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Speaker 1: me to even say their name. I understand because I

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Speaker 1: have a similar story. I got my love of the

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Speaker 1: game of football from my father, and we have similar

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Speaker 1: pretty much left to talk about. But your story is

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Speaker 1: fairly similar, right it is. Yeah, So my dad's from Seattle,

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Speaker 1: so I've been a Seattle fan my whole life. Um,

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Speaker 1: the Rams last summer and was accused of being a trader.

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Speaker 1: So I'm just kind of doing my tour of the

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Speaker 1: NFC West. I haven't done any Cardinals media, but I'm available.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of like the egot, right, Um. And I

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Speaker 1: feel like if I'm going to be a trader, I

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Speaker 1: the rest of the NFC West. Totally understand. But we're

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Speaker 1: have a little fun to kick this off. So since

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Speaker 1: you're a Seahawks fan, I'm gonna ask you some forty

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Speaker 1: all right, who would you say was your least for

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Speaker 1: favorite forty Niner that you hated having to watch your

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Speaker 1: team play against Colin Kaebernick honestly during his just um

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Speaker 1: you know, during his peak, and I would say when,

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Speaker 1: always been since they've been in the State Division rivalry.

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Speaker 1: But during two thousand and twelve through fifteen was probably

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Speaker 1: the peak of the bitterness really between the teams, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean there were commercials made. I remember there was

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Speaker 1: it was absolutely infuriating. So it does answer doesn't have

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Speaker 1: But is there a favorite moment from the forty Niners

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Speaker 1: those years of history and those bitter moments. You think

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Speaker 1: be a little bit of a stinger. But reaction to

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Speaker 1: Dre greenlaw Man. That was. Um. I was in New

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Speaker 1: you having some fun with our forty Niners based Seahawks questions,

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Speaker 1: Deshaun Jackson giving the Rams offensive boost. There's been a

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Speaker 1: say the future of the NFC West. Mm hmm, that's

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Speaker 1: all pretty much every team got better UM, and I

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