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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys at now. Here are Bill Jones, Everson Wolves,
Speaker 1: and Nicky Spagnola. And here we are for another edition
Speaker 1: of mix Shots. And there is so much going on
Speaker 1: at the Star in Frisco and elsewhere as we are
Speaker 1: now just over a month away, how about a little
Speaker 1: over five weeks away, I believe from the NFL Draft
Speaker 1: and NFL free agency. We're deep into that, and the
Speaker 1: Cowboys have added some players, several players to the team
Speaker 1: since we last spoke last Tuesday. I'm Bill Joe with
Speaker 1: Mickey Spagnola inside the SWBC Mortgage studios at the Star
Speaker 1: in Friscoe. Everson Walls will be joining us shortly. Mickey,
Speaker 1: how you doing. I'm doing fine, Bill and yourself. It
Speaker 1: looks like today seem like things back to old times
Speaker 1: here at the Star. I saw the helicopter fly in
Speaker 1: transporting Jerry Jones into the facility, and when I showed up,
Speaker 1: I could see about a dozen guys on the field,
Speaker 1: either rehabbing or starting to do some aerobic training with
Speaker 1: the strength and conditioning staff out there, doing some running
Speaker 1: and different type of stuff. So yeah, kind of getting
Speaker 1: back to old times out here. Yep, that's that right.
Speaker 1: And we're less than a month away from the start
Speaker 1: of the official offseason program for the Cowboys, which I
Speaker 1: think is around April nineteenth or so this year. The
Speaker 1: other thing that is refreshing to see I'm watching on
Speaker 1: the NFL Network scenes from the Alabama Pro Day. Reportedly
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy is there, And that's my point. It's it's
Speaker 1: it's refreshing to see coaches out on the road at
Speaker 1: pro days. And you know, Micky, Alabama's got so many
Speaker 1: NFL prospects that not only have a Pro day to day,
Speaker 1: but they have another Pro day coming up also. You
Speaker 1: have to have two pro days, you know. And and
Speaker 1: the key thing about these pro days is, I think
Speaker 1: everybody needs to remember they are basically replacing the combine.
Speaker 1: The NFL did not have a combine, and they basically
Speaker 1: said that the school pro days would replace that when
Speaker 1: they do the official measures and times and things like that.
Speaker 1: So I think I saw the NFL sanctioned one hundred
Speaker 1: and one Pro days and so those will, as I said,
Speaker 1: take the place of the the combine. And that's why
Speaker 1: you see a bunch of the coaches and scouts at
Speaker 1: these things as many, if not more than usual, because
Speaker 1: they got to look at these players and see where
Speaker 1: they're at at this time in their lives. And the
Speaker 1: other thing that I noticed was taken place bill is
Speaker 1: a lot of the the places where guys would go
Speaker 1: to work out, like the Michael Johnson Training Center and
Speaker 1: things like that, where guys would get ready for the combine.
Speaker 1: Those places they're having their kind of pro days, but
Speaker 1: the NFL is not allowing NFL personnel to attend those,
Speaker 1: so they'll have to put those results out for everybody
Speaker 1: to see. So a lot of things changing getting ready
Speaker 1: for this draft. But maybe it looks like they'll be
Speaker 1: actual people at the draft this year, unlike last year
Speaker 1: when it was all virtually zoomed, including the commissioner announcing
Speaker 1: the picks from his basement. Sounds like he will be
Speaker 1: in Cleveland. They're going to allow people to watch the draft,
Speaker 1: so things are kind of moving a little bit closer
Speaker 1: to normal. Yep. And that's great to see. And you
Speaker 1: know the other thing that they've taken some of the
Speaker 1: things that they had to do by necessity last year
Speaker 1: and preparing for the draft, like the zoom interviews WebEx
Speaker 1: interviews with the prospects, and they're still doing that this year.
Speaker 1: And they were over as usual, over three hundred Combine
Speaker 1: invitees this year. And as far as the interviews that
Speaker 1: the teams do with the players, that's being done virtually
Speaker 1: and and Jerry really seemed to like the virtual interviews
Speaker 1: last year. Hey we got Everson wat Hey, look at there.
Speaker 1: I was I was wondering when you guys were going
Speaker 1: to acknowledge me. Thank you very much. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1: We had to wait to see going on. We had
Speaker 1: to wait to see your pictures show up before we
Speaker 1: knew you could talk to us. Hey, when you talk
Speaker 1: about you have horrible CP time, when you wake up
Speaker 1: early and still late, that's bad. It's great to have
Speaker 1: you here every sin. We missed you last week. And
Speaker 1: uh lot a lot has transpired since the last time
Speaker 1: you were with us a couple of weeks ago. And
Speaker 1: he's gone and he's gone right right, yea, yea. And
Speaker 1: our free agent signings, our free agent signings still suck, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: it depends depends where you're getting your information from. Right, Oh,
Speaker 1: this could be interesting. Yeah, let you go. I want
Speaker 1: to hear what's fast gotta say. He couldn't fuss at
Speaker 1: me last week, so it was all on you, Bill.
Speaker 1: I want to hear what he's gotta say this week. Well,
Speaker 1: if he were just we're just starting to happen last week,
Speaker 1: things have happened and things are still happening, Mickey. Uh,
Speaker 1: before we dive in to what's happened in the last week,
Speaker 1: bring us up to speed on what's going on there.
Speaker 1: I understand today and tomorrow is a couple of safeties
Speaker 1: are making their way to the Star in Frisco. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they still even though they agreed to terms or got
Speaker 1: a contract done with cano Neil. Uh is that how
Speaker 1: you say it? Or is it Kiano no I messed
Speaker 1: it up? Yeah, correct myself. Yeah, kian O'Neil, who's a
Speaker 1: who's a box safety? Uh, they're still bring in uh
Speaker 1: supposed to have visits this week with uh free safety
Speaker 1: Malik Hooker and Demante Kazi. Uh so another Falcon that
Speaker 1: played for Quinn just like uh Neil did. So. Uh,
Speaker 1: they're they're you know, to come up with very conservative
Speaker 1: contracts for these veteran safeties, which they needed some depth
Speaker 1: at the safety position if you look at because if
Speaker 1: they weren't going to sign Xavier Woods back, they basically
Speaker 1: had Wilson and that's about it. So they needed to
Speaker 1: restock that safety position. So I would imagine with those
Speaker 1: two visiting, at least one of them will probably be
Speaker 1: signed or try to agree to terms with those guys.
Speaker 1: And if you've noticed what they're doing on the majority
Speaker 1: of these contracts, they're all basically one year deals, kind
Speaker 1: of one year proven deals for guys that were sitting
Speaker 1: there in free agency and maybe coming off of I
Speaker 1: muted my phone and it's ringing. Why is that? So
Speaker 1: I'll take up where you left off coming off injury
Speaker 1: and that This is what happens. This is what happens
Speaker 1: when you get a new phone, right when you're forced
Speaker 1: to get a new phone because you're other one's not working.
Speaker 1: I thought I muted it, and evidently I didn't. So
Speaker 1: there's a lot of things of learning we can we
Speaker 1: can all agree. We can all agree this is what
Speaker 1: it happens when you're sixty something years old. Oh yes,
Speaker 1: and a new phone. Too many gadgets too right. I
Speaker 1: guess instead of muting it, I must have turned it up.
Speaker 1: So tell me about these two dbs guys. I mean,
Speaker 1: you got two with three safeties coming in. I gotta
Speaker 1: weigh in on this. I mean, oh my god, all
Speaker 1: of them, what is this? All of them have Achilles
Speaker 1: problems and both of them and that's why, Hey, safety
Speaker 1: has been the Achilles heel of this team for how long?
Speaker 1: Very very well, Bill, Thank you so much, Bill, because
Speaker 1: it is it will continue to be that way. First
Speaker 1: of all, I don't know how fortunate it is for
Speaker 1: us to bring in three is it all? Three from
Speaker 1: the Falcons? Now? From from the Falcons? Coach? So well hoo,
Speaker 1: could not bad. But you got two guys coming in
Speaker 1: from the Falcons. Now, if I recall god, Dak Prescott
Speaker 1: two for almost five hundred yards on these guys that
Speaker 1: I do recall, these two safeties coming from that secondary,
Speaker 1: I don't know. They might be the only defense pass
Speaker 1: defense that was worse than hours in the NFL. So
Speaker 1: I'm kind of I'm not happy about the signing at all,
Speaker 1: but ever the fact that they might not even make
Speaker 1: it through ever since what they're trying to do they're
Speaker 1: hoping that this is the twenty sixteen in two thousand
Speaker 1: and seventeen version of the Atlanta Falcons, and that was
Speaker 1: that was pre Achilles. That was exactly right, Achilles injury,
Speaker 1: exactly right. And I don't know if they think that
Speaker 1: they're uh Kevin Durant to somebody, but unless they are,
Speaker 1: they're not gonna come back from Achilles injuries. And that's
Speaker 1: not their only injuries that I'm concerned about, because I
Speaker 1: think they've got acl problems. It's just a plethora of
Speaker 1: injuries just from these three guys that we signed. That's
Speaker 1: why I look about signings when you do Okay, holy yes, sir.
Speaker 1: That's why they're available. And that's why they all signed
Speaker 1: one year deals for one point seventy five million. That
Speaker 1: should be culative. Spangs, okay, that should be culative. So
Speaker 1: all three this is just add up to one plus seven.
Speaker 1: When when when you don't have when you don't have
Speaker 1: money against the salary cap, you gotta do bargain hunting
Speaker 1: and hope. Right, it's not like they're signing these guys
Speaker 1: to solve problems. They're hoping, you know, that they come right.
Speaker 1: That's all they can afford, are you man? Okay? Why
Speaker 1: is it the secondary is always that position that is
Speaker 1: so low priority. And when we see all the good
Speaker 1: teams in the playoffs, they all had great defensive play,
Speaker 1: and especially from their secondary, at least they have guys
Speaker 1: that can make plays brave, not brave, but Winfield. With
Speaker 1: the with Tampa Bay, you know a guy is back
Speaker 1: there making plays. Uh young at that And I know,
Speaker 1: yes he's the first round draft pick and has got
Speaker 1: the pedigree and all that from his pops. I get that,
Speaker 1: but I don't know, guys, that's still down the drain
Speaker 1: for me, spacts, that's down the drain for me, SPACs.
Speaker 1: That isn't money down the drain because most of it
Speaker 1: they're not getting signing bonuses. So or if they are,
Speaker 1: that signing boldnesses that they can deal with if they
Speaker 1: don't make the team. You forgot my point about dan Quinn.
Speaker 1: He's supposed to fix everything, all right, and yeah, and
Speaker 1: so will the pressures out of him to make a
Speaker 1: difference in this. He bringing in all his friends. You
Speaker 1: can't bring in all your friends. You know. He's bringing
Speaker 1: in people that he knows, and those people that he
Speaker 1: know they are I'm not gonna say, though, with what
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, they just seem to be such
Speaker 1: a wasted pick. I wouldn't even say it's some lateral
Speaker 1: movement in regards to these situations. Otherwise, are you bringing
Speaker 1: them in just for training camp? Are you bringing them
Speaker 1: into contribute at all? Because I don't see. To me,
Speaker 1: it's just like the same thing we've been going on
Speaker 1: over and over again. We are signing, all right, hoping, hoping.
Speaker 1: What would you suggest because one of these I was
Speaker 1: suggesting to get better players? None of these deals will
Speaker 1: preclude them from drafting of safety, all right, none of them.
Speaker 1: The financial well, that's why they've got one signed and
Speaker 1: two visited. Oh my god, and not only that, we
Speaker 1: if we're talking about what we had. I would rather
Speaker 1: keep Woods than to sign these three guys. I would
Speaker 1: rather keep Woods than to sign those three guys. To
Speaker 1: me that you know, just leave well enough alone in
Speaker 1: that regard. And if you have that luxury to do that,
Speaker 1: and you don't know that they don't want to keep them,
Speaker 1: maybe Woods is looking out there in free agency and saying, Okay,
Speaker 1: I need more than a one year deal. I want
Speaker 1: to see if I can get a multi year deal
Speaker 1: and play the field here before making a descent. And
Speaker 1: once again, that's just the lesser of the evils for me, Spags. Still,
Speaker 1: that's the lesser of the evil. And yeah, you know
Speaker 1: you asked me what I would do. First of all,
Speaker 1: I would have to know what's out there. Okay, I
Speaker 1: would have to look at what's out there. I have
Speaker 1: not looked at what's out there. But there's not much
Speaker 1: I would have to say. I will. Are they all injured?
Speaker 1: Do they all have achilles? I'm sure you can find
Speaker 1: something that have a good here's the benefit of these
Speaker 1: guys that have the achilles. They did it early in
Speaker 1: the season, like okay, September, so they okay, should be ready,
Speaker 1: they should be ready to go. Hey, I'm jogging on
Speaker 1: the till I'm right, okay. And these guys, these guys
Speaker 1: are forty years these guys are I get it. That
Speaker 1: Bill he's he's this is these are all his achilles brothers.
Speaker 1: I get it now. I can't even argue with him
Speaker 1: because I have good achilles, So continues fans. They're they're
Speaker 1: they're forty years younger, and they're professional athlete, so they
Speaker 1: should be far ahead of my rehabilitation. I hope we're
Speaker 1: not comparing them to your weha, that would be a
Speaker 1: bad move. We're not, little bar. I hope we are
Speaker 1: not comparing them to Mickey's athletic ability and even that, Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: the other thing we're not comparing them to is my
Speaker 1: salary either. Okay, I think, well we ought to do.
Speaker 1: We need to separate the two that are visiting, the
Speaker 1: one who has already signed and the two of the visiting.
Speaker 1: Or a Malique Hooker who's a former first round draft
Speaker 1: pick of the Colts and had the achilles injury in
Speaker 1: the third game of the year last year. Uh and
Speaker 1: then Demante Kazi, who was at fifth round draft pick
Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen, was not a starter on their Super
Speaker 1: Bowl the team that went to the Super Bowl for
Speaker 1: the Falcons has been since and had the achilles last year,
Speaker 1: and and so those guys, and the reason that they're
Speaker 1: visiting is because they need to check out where they
Speaker 1: are as far as their achilles are. That's that's probably
Speaker 1: the most important part of their visit is for the
Speaker 1: Cowboys to take a look at him and see where
Speaker 1: they are. So Bill, so let me say this. Let
Speaker 1: me let me say this to just go ahead. So
Speaker 1: Hooker played two games last year. He had torn his
Speaker 1: acl in twenty seventeen and then tore Richards achilles after
Speaker 1: playing two games uh in twenty twenty. Now, because Ze
Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen and twenty nineteen had ten interceptions all right,
Speaker 1: for ten interceptions, h and he only played four games
Speaker 1: last year before he RUPs his achilles. So and he
Speaker 1: was just a fifth round pick of Quinn in twenty seventeen,
Speaker 1: started one game in twenty seventeen as a rookie fifteen,
Speaker 1: and then the next two years he started twenty nine
Speaker 1: of thirty two games with ten interceptions. By the way,
Speaker 1: seven in one year. I would imagine the Cowboys don't
Speaker 1: have anybody on the roster with seven interceptions for their
Speaker 1: entire career, right, So it's worth taking a look at
Speaker 1: these guys and see where they're at. Heath is already gone.
Speaker 1: Heath was to that. He's already right, absolutely, and everybody
Speaker 1: wanted to move away from Jeff Heath right wasn't good enough.
Speaker 1: And you probably would have liked Jeff Heath back on
Speaker 1: the team last year after haha, Clinton Dix failed miserably
Speaker 1: in training camp. So if you look at these two guys,
Speaker 1: they've had previous success in their career. Years now you
Speaker 1: just got to take a look at him and say, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're not investing big bucks on you in free agency.
Speaker 1: But if you look at what was available at the
Speaker 1: safety position in free agency, it wasn't that much and
Speaker 1: it wasn't that much to get you all excited. And
Speaker 1: if you look at the draft, the best one probably
Speaker 1: is the kid from TCU and he's probably no better
Speaker 1: than thirtieth pick in the draft. So again, you're nibbling
Speaker 1: because you don't have enough money to be able to
Speaker 1: afford big time contracts on a safety. And I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to meet the safety position. But when you've invested
Speaker 1: in your offensive line, you're running back, your quarterback, your
Speaker 1: wide receiver, your defensive end, your linebackers, you know there's
Speaker 1: there's just not enough money to go around, especially when
Speaker 1: the cap dropped from one hundred ninety eight to one
Speaker 1: hundred eighty two million. I think what my concern is,
Speaker 1: we're trying to move while we're trying to move away
Speaker 1: from this culture of just giving up so many yards
Speaker 1: and so many big But that happened last year, that
Speaker 1: happened last year. The year before, they finished ninth in
Speaker 1: total defense. So tell me what change. I don't even remember.
Speaker 1: I don't even remember that. I don't even remember that. Well,
Speaker 1: so many yards running, well, thank you, they have so
Speaker 1: they we have given them so many yards as a defense.
Speaker 1: And where I was going was, you bring in guys
Speaker 1: from another team who's just as bad, and you understand
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Yes, the Cowboys deal. Okay, you can
Speaker 1: talk about two years ago, but last year was so prevalent,
Speaker 1: it was so bad, it was ridiculous. So now, okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna improve our past defense, and we come we
Speaker 1: bring in guy from a team that might have more
Speaker 1: given up more passing yards than we did. I just
Speaker 1: don't see how their mentality coming in. Whether we sign
Speaker 1: them or not, I don't care if it's the one.
Speaker 1: All these signs the two were bringing in, they still
Speaker 1: don't even they help. They didn't play last team, And
Speaker 1: do you think that they would make a difference. Do
Speaker 1: you think they would have made a difference in that team.
Speaker 1: That's why I truly think they were difference in that team. Well, okay,
Speaker 1: so Cincinnati signed Chitubey Elusier for a pretty hefty contract,
Speaker 1: right from a bad defense. Yeah, so what were they right?
Speaker 1: Three years nearly twenty two million? Who signed them? Who
Speaker 1: signed them? Cincinnati? Who signed him? Yeah? Yeah, they deserved him.
Speaker 1: They deserve it. I'm signing guys. You know, we go
Speaker 1: through the same thing every off season, asking you, is
Speaker 1: what changed last year from the team that finished ninth
Speaker 1: overall in defense to twenty fourth and finished the eleventh
Speaker 1: against the run in twenty nineteen and finish thirty first
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty? What change? Here's here's here's Well, let
Speaker 1: me ask you this, what will change between last year's
Speaker 1: defense and this year's defense? There is nothing I can
Speaker 1: see that's going to improve us those guys we signed.
Speaker 1: I can't see it happening from the secondary standpoint. I
Speaker 1: just really hope. I was hoping, because we go through
Speaker 1: this every off season trying to salvage a secondary. Every
Speaker 1: off season, we're trying salvage the secondary, and every off season,
Speaker 1: spatch you and I see up here on freaking Tuesday morning,
Speaker 1: on Monday morning, quarterback and we're like, oh, well, man,
Speaker 1: the guy couldn't made a play. But he didn't. Oh man,
Speaker 1: I'm so tired of hearing how things could have gone
Speaker 1: in one way but they didn't because of one particular situation. Here.
Speaker 1: I want guy who's gonna come in and make plays
Speaker 1: and did and make let them get take our success
Speaker 1: as opposed to these flukes that we've been looking at
Speaker 1: for the last three preseason off seasons. Bags, you and
Speaker 1: I have been having these same back and forth. Okay,
Speaker 1: so here's sound familiar. Here's how you here's how you
Speaker 1: solve it right, get you an edge to tall Jones
Speaker 1: out the quarterback want to play? Just rushed the quarterback? Right?
Speaker 1: I gotta say, guys, even if we rushed the quarterback,
Speaker 1: I don't see our secondary coming up with anything different
Speaker 1: than what they've already head Even if we rushed the quarterback, right,
Speaker 1: even if we do, have you seen anything in our
Speaker 1: secondary where they showed you that if we went to
Speaker 1: the cab of rush, Oh, things would have been different.
Speaker 1: If we're ahead of rush. You're gonna tell me you
Speaker 1: saw that last year? This was This was the most
Speaker 1: miscombobulated organized defense I think I've ever seen. Right, So
Speaker 1: your hope is dan Quinn makes a difference, and I
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Speaker 1: start of district. Well, the Star District has hosted some
Speaker 1: basketball here in the last week. I did not know that.
Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah, Conference USA was that Who've had their
Speaker 1: tournament here? That's right. Yeah, that's how North Texas got
Speaker 1: into the Big Dance. I try. They won four games
Speaker 1: there at Ford Center at the Star in Frisco. I
Speaker 1: know that. Yeah. And then, uh, how's your bracket looking?
Speaker 1: By the way, you know what, every bracket has been
Speaker 1: busted left last weekend. The left side's doing really well,
Speaker 1: the white the right side got wiped out. I think
Speaker 1: I said this weekend every bracket was busted. Every bracket
Speaker 1: was busted. You know what. You know what started to
Speaker 1: bust my Well, my bracket got busted first off when
Speaker 1: Ohio State lost on Friday. Ohio State was one of
Speaker 1: my national finalists. And then what really busted my bracket
Speaker 1: was when somehow, some way Everson the Oklahoma Sooners beat
Speaker 1: Mickey's Missouri Tigers. It was it was only gonna be
Speaker 1: one point bill because either one would have lost the
Speaker 1: next game, as Oklahoma did by the way, in a
Speaker 1: no complete contests against Gonzaga. Now, actually actually that the game.
Speaker 1: You probably didn't watch the game against Gonzaga, but it
Speaker 1: is actually one of their better games of the year. Now,
Speaker 1: I did watch really well against Gonzaga, and then they
Speaker 1: still got beat by sixteen points. That's how good Gonzaga is.
Speaker 1: Spags not gonna get no love, Spags not after had
Speaker 1: to bring it up that boy. Right, Hey, it's good
Speaker 1: for me to see some HBCUs in there, love in
Speaker 1: Texas Southern getting off in there doing something in the swack.
Speaker 1: It's always good though, whether you lose or not. You
Speaker 1: got certain guys on these teams like University of North
Speaker 1: Texas that where you saw individual players that really stood
Speaker 1: out and really got the recognition that they deserved from
Speaker 1: some of the smaller schools and HBCUs in the North
Speaker 1: Texas schools. So that's always good to see in the
Speaker 1: tournament to see how one of those kids can match
Speaker 1: up against a superstar team like Gonzaga or some of
Speaker 1: those are Pot five schools. So good to see him
Speaker 1: just get in there and represent just a little bit.
Speaker 1: Even Appoline Christian, right, well, Trappoline Christian, my nephew went
Speaker 1: to Appoline Christian, so he was. He was bragging over
Speaker 1: my brother who was a who went to ut so
Speaker 1: he had he had debs over his uncle for this
Speaker 1: just this weekend, the Long Deep. And I'll tell you
Speaker 1: one last thing on that bill, when you talked about
Speaker 1: my saving grace, the only hope I had is that
Speaker 1: my sleeper to make into the championship game gets to
Speaker 1: the championship game, right, And in the second round, in
Speaker 1: the second half, with about I don't know, eight minutes
Speaker 1: to go, Houston's down by fifteen points, and I'm going, okay,
Speaker 1: this is over with. And they ended up coming back
Speaker 1: and winning by two. I think it was okay, there
Speaker 1: you go. Yeah, they survived and advanced. I tried. And
Speaker 1: by the way way I've we had already made the
Speaker 1: decision on my WiFi that since since my provider and
Speaker 1: I will not say their name, does not provide broadcast
Speaker 1: of Mavericks games, Stars games or Rangers games, we were
Speaker 1: going to switch anyway. And now it's sealed since my
Speaker 1: WiFi keeps going out on this thing. So um so
Speaker 1: that's that's about to be corrected. So they will find
Speaker 1: out sooner or later, won't they? All right, So Mickey yes,
Speaker 1: what about the rest of the free agent hall? So far,
Speaker 1: we've talked about the safeties or the lack of safeties.
Speaker 1: What do you what do you make of what sticks
Speaker 1: out for you what the Cowboys have done so far,
Speaker 1: whether it's comings or goings. At the start, Well, the
Speaker 1: going that kind of stuck out for me is the
Speaker 1: fact that you know, we knew this was probably going
Speaker 1: to happen, but you kind of hope that, well maybe
Speaker 1: it wouldn't, that you can hang in there and you know,
Speaker 1: and somebody will just pass him by losing Andy Dalton
Speaker 1: the way they lost to the It's just like Chicago. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you just knew somebody was going to give him
Speaker 1: a deal one year to make ten million dollars with
Speaker 1: an opportunity to make three million more in incentives, and
Speaker 1: you just hope somebody didn't look at them as a
Speaker 1: starting quarterback, which they should have by the way, for
Speaker 1: teams that need a quarterback or a quarterback to be
Speaker 1: a bridge to maybe somebody you picked in the first
Speaker 1: round under the draft this year. So that leaves the
Speaker 1: Cowboys somewhat in a lurch at the backup quarterback spot
Speaker 1: because the way I looked at it, Andy Dalton was
Speaker 1: probably the best backup quarterback the Cowboys had since Steve Burlin.
Speaker 1: I mean, you got somebody else you want to, you know,
Speaker 1: tell me that you know was better with more experience
Speaker 1: than him, because even when Tony Romo took over, you know,
Speaker 1: he he had played what uh no games before he
Speaker 1: took over, uh in that two thousand and sixth season.
Speaker 1: So at least you had a veteran guy. I don't
Speaker 1: think that they're unless somebody falls in their lap for
Speaker 1: another kind of prove it deal like Andy Dalton was
Speaker 1: looking for. Do you feel good about you know, Garrett Gilbert,
Speaker 1: Ben Denucci, Cooper Rush, because that's where you're at right now, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're that's it? What were you? What do you? What
Speaker 1: do you guys think about? You know, reading kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: This is probably mixed bags, man, But I just remember
Speaker 1: when you say this stuff. Just remember when you say
Speaker 1: this stuff, there's a salary cap. Okay, don't forget there
Speaker 1: is a salary cap, just like Bill has a salary
Speaker 1: cap at his household. Internet Okay, all right, WiFi? Right? No,
Speaker 1: just really almost what we don't have a whole bunch
Speaker 1: of money out there obviously to be signed his sentimental signings.
Speaker 1: But you know, Alex Smith was brought up as far
Speaker 1: as a guy that could be an inspirational backup for
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott. He's got the experience, been through a lot.
Speaker 1: I don't know how the leg is doing after last year,
Speaker 1: but you know he was inspirational. I have to say,
Speaker 1: never was a big fan of his until I saw
Speaker 1: what he went through and coming out on the other side.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what a signing for him would take.
Speaker 1: But what do you think about that inspirational signing spast again?
Speaker 1: What's he looking for? You know? How much? How much
Speaker 1: do you have to pay him to convince him to
Speaker 1: put himself back out there? Uh? Yeah, from an exterienced
Speaker 1: standpoint to bring in a bus driver who doesn't probably
Speaker 1: need a whole heck of a lot of practice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for a couple of million dollars, I can afford that,
Speaker 1: But I really can't afford that much. When you look
Speaker 1: at the Cowboys cap right now and what they have left,
Speaker 1: you know, it's anywhere between ten and twelve million dollars,
Speaker 1: and their rookie pool for ten draft choices is ten
Speaker 1: million dollars. So number one, they won't use all ten
Speaker 1: of those draft choices, they'll be trading around if they
Speaker 1: need to move up. But number two, if that's all
Speaker 1: you got left, you're gonna have to restructure a couple
Speaker 1: more contracts just to do business for the coming year.
Speaker 1: So again it comes down to can I get a
Speaker 1: sweetheart deal for not much? Right? You bring in a guy?
Speaker 1: So then, and Bill brought it up last week. You
Speaker 1: know you're looking at guys like Chase is Daniel You
Speaker 1: a career backup, right, who you know not bad coming
Speaker 1: in for a game or finishing a game or starting
Speaker 1: a game. But if you need somebody to start three
Speaker 1: or four games in a row, I don't know that
Speaker 1: guy's out there for the day. What now you're looking
Speaker 1: at him? That's a that's a Missou guy, right, was
Speaker 1: chasing MISSU? Sure is? And there's another one available two
Speaker 1: player in Missouri football history, right Mickey, Yes, absolutely, And
Speaker 1: Blayton Gabbert's out there also, going to retire his number there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's also from the Big twelve, So I know Bill's
Speaker 1: gonna show him some love if he comes here. So
Speaker 1: Daddy's from Daddy's from South Lakes, I'm saying, Edison, Mickey
Speaker 1: and I let me tell you the Chase Daniels story.
Speaker 1: Mickey in the early days of the Cowboys Channel back
Speaker 1: in two thousand and three, two thousand and four, this
Speaker 1: is before the NFL network came along, the Cowboys put
Speaker 1: together it was with Comcast Cable. They put together a
Speaker 1: Cowboys channel. I was working for. Mickey obviously was as well.
Speaker 1: And we actually did a high school football game from
Speaker 1: Texas Stadium. It was a state playoff game. It was
Speaker 1: South Lake Carol against Denton Ryan and so. And that
Speaker 1: was Chase Daniel's senior year at South Lake Carol. This
Speaker 1: was would have been two thousand and four, and so
Speaker 1: Mickey was he was the analyst on the broadcast. Well,
Speaker 1: he goes down on the field before the game because
Speaker 1: this quarterback for South Lake, Chase Daniel had committed to
Speaker 1: Missouri and so, but he had heard how short he was.
Speaker 1: And so Mickey went down on the field because he
Speaker 1: wanted to stand up next to him and see just
Speaker 1: how short Chase Daniel really is and the Mickey you
Speaker 1: can take it from there. And he was short, by
Speaker 1: the way. How short, Well, I didn't have to look
Speaker 1: up very far to see him eye to eye. Okay,
Speaker 1: and he goes and he goes to Missouri and was
Speaker 1: probably one of the best quarterbacks in the history of
Speaker 1: Missouri football. And uh, I enjoyed watching the last good
Speaker 1: He wasn't Mackey, Yes, he wasn't. Probably one of the
Speaker 1: best quarterbacks in Missouri history. He was the best quarterback
Speaker 1: you don't remember the seventies. Probably he's better than Phil Bradley. Uh,
Speaker 1: that's that's that is debate. Wait a minute there, Wait
Speaker 1: a minute, then, William, Wait a minute there, I remember Bradley. Bradley,
Speaker 1: Bradley was best. He didn't do what Chase Daniel did
Speaker 1: in Missouri. Well, from from a winning standpoint, no, he
Speaker 1: did not. What do you base it on? He was
Speaker 1: awfully good and he said all the records at that
Speaker 1: at that time in that area tonge Bill, the tone Bill.
Speaker 1: All right, but get off, all right, get off Chase
Speaker 1: Daniel to the Cowboys, though, because Chase Daniel likely is
Speaker 1: going to the Chargers where Joe Lombardi is the offensive
Speaker 1: coordinator and Lombardi was the was the offensive coordinator quarterbacks
Speaker 1: coach with the Saints and when Daniel was there, and
Speaker 1: so Daniel is going to go be justin Herbert's back
Speaker 1: up with the Chargers. That's my prediction all right here
Speaker 1: is let me throw a name out here as a
Speaker 1: veteran guy who's kind of of the same ilk as
Speaker 1: Chase Daniel. That is a J. McCarron who is a
Speaker 1: free agent AJ McCarron who has not started very many
Speaker 1: games in the league whatever, but he did did get
Speaker 1: a chance as Andy Dalton's back up with the Bengals,
Speaker 1: but most recently he has been with the Texans. Uh.
Speaker 1: And the connection, of course with the Cowboys is Doug
Speaker 1: nuss Meyer, the Cowboys quarterbacks coach, who was the quarterbacks
Speaker 1: coach and offensive coordinata at Alabama for two years when
Speaker 1: AJ McCarron was there. If you're connecting the dots of
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks and the free agent quarterbacks out there, there's
Speaker 1: a connection right there, AJ McCarron. Now, McCarron, I believe
Speaker 1: made four million dollars last year, is still Shaan Watson's
Speaker 1: backup in Houston. The Cowboys are not going to pay
Speaker 1: four million dollars for the backup quarterback spot here. But
Speaker 1: if McCarron is, he's testing the market right now. If
Speaker 1: vcs okay, I'll take whatever the Cowboys offer an incentive
Speaker 1: laden deal whereas and they can do that and it's
Speaker 1: not going to affect their salary cap. He would be
Speaker 1: a guy that I would throw out as a possibility
Speaker 1: as being a veteran guy. What do you think of
Speaker 1: a J. McCarron that is, that is, if Houston doesn't
Speaker 1: say boy in the situation we're in, we may need
Speaker 1: the same they got Tyro that they signed Tyrod Taylor,
Speaker 1: and so if they're the next starter, Houston, depending on
Speaker 1: what happens with Watson is Tyrod Taylor. And that's a
Speaker 1: good that's a good point, Bill on AJ McCarron. And
Speaker 1: that's you know, and that's kind of you know, you
Speaker 1: bring him in here, let him compete with Gilbert Denucie
Speaker 1: can still be the third guy. He didn't get an
Speaker 1: offseason last year. But that's what you're gonna have to
Speaker 1: settle for, sort of like the safety position, that's what
Speaker 1: you have to settle for because you just don't have
Speaker 1: a lot of money in for adency to go sign
Speaker 1: somebody to a big deal. You know, and I'll be
Speaker 1: very interested to see, you know, the defensive and Terrell
Speaker 1: Basham that they've agreed to a deal with and it
Speaker 1: keeps getting publicized as two years, six point five million,
Speaker 1: but we have not seen the inside numbers yet. So
Speaker 1: like the deal for Neil was, you know everybody was
Speaker 1: one year, five million dollars right, Well, when you look
Speaker 1: at how they structured it, it's basically the first year's
Speaker 1: cap hit is two million dollars. They gave him a
Speaker 1: three million dollars signing bonus with three two more years avoidable.
Speaker 1: So from a cap hit, he's basically two million against
Speaker 1: the cap this year with a one million dollars based salary.
Speaker 1: So I'd be interested to see what Basham's deal is.
Speaker 1: It's basically going to be a one year deal four
Speaker 1: million dollars, and we'll see how they had instructured. So
Speaker 1: if you see what the Cowboys are doing, they're nibbling
Speaker 1: because that's what they have available against the salary cap.
Speaker 1: And they still have to restructure a couple more contracts
Speaker 1: going forward to create enough money for the rest of
Speaker 1: the year. But if, yeah, if you can get mccaren
Speaker 1: for one year two million, three million with incentives, that
Speaker 1: would be a great deal. That's what they have to
Speaker 1: settle for all right. As far as the other signings.
Speaker 1: Are you mentioned Basham and as as an edge rusher.
Speaker 1: Brent Urban is another one defensive lineman who was most
Speaker 1: recently with Chicago prior to that in Baltimore. And and
Speaker 1: then Carlos Watkins who is with the Texans, an inside
Speaker 1: defensive gay. Yeah. And if you look at Brent Urban,
Speaker 1: I think he's kind of the kind of gadget guy inside. Uh.
Speaker 1: He's six seven, two ninety five, did play defensive tackle,
Speaker 1: probably could play on the edge. I think he replaces
Speaker 1: Tyrone Crawford. I think I think Crawford is close to saying,
Speaker 1: you know, I think this probably enough. But they signed
Speaker 1: him for one year, one point seven five million. He
Speaker 1: gets a one point two five million dollars base salary
Speaker 1: with a five hundred thousand dollars signing bonus. So if
Speaker 1: he comes in here and you know, can't play, well,
Speaker 1: you just wasted five hundred million, but the base salary
Speaker 1: you would get back. So he's kind of a rotation guy.
Speaker 1: Same thing with Carlos Watson Watkins. UH one year, one
Speaker 1: point seven five million. His signing bonus was four hundred
Speaker 1: thousand and his base salary one point one million. So
Speaker 1: again you're gambling four hundred thousand. Basically that see, well
Speaker 1: maybe this guy can make it right, maybe he can
Speaker 1: help us out. So those are the kind of deals
Speaker 1: that they've been trying to put together to bolster that
Speaker 1: the inside for them. And the same thing with the
Speaker 1: offensive tackle. Bill Tied the sciuh from Arlington. By the way,
Speaker 1: you know, he's going to be thirty six years old.
Speaker 1: He kicked around in the Arena League, the Canadian Football League,
Speaker 1: and then it ended up being a nice backup guy,
Speaker 1: ended up with the Bills, and he signed basically the
Speaker 1: same type of deal. So to me, anything better, Well
Speaker 1: what about this? What about this Brent Urban guy? What
Speaker 1: about the talk about yeah we did that, that was
Speaker 1: the that was the first guy. Yeah we mentioned yeah,
Speaker 1: Brent Urban. Uh. And so those are the kind of
Speaker 1: guys you know that they're kind of bringing in right now. Um,
Speaker 1: they decided to go a different direction at long snapper signed.
Speaker 1: Jake McQuaid had been with the Rams, so fossil was
Speaker 1: you know, certainly knew about him. Now you traded a
Speaker 1: forty year old deep snapper for a thirty three year
Speaker 1: old deep snapper, and I guess the money's probably the
Speaker 1: same because LP lattice or wouldn't cost him the Cowboys
Speaker 1: much at all. He kept playing these last couple of
Speaker 1: years on the veteran uh minimum, the veteran exception minimum.
Speaker 1: Uh So, that's what they've done so far in free agency.
Speaker 1: And that's why the Twitter feed is all filled up
Speaker 1: with complaints like Everson's was, because they're nibbling and they're
Speaker 1: not bringing in big time guys. And that's the title.
Speaker 1: The headline to my column last year is, well, we're
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Speaker 1: getting better and better with his Thank Everson, you think so.
Speaker 1: Just give me a couple more years, seems to be.
Speaker 1: Can give me a couple more years. I'll have it down.
Speaker 1: I'll have it down in a couple of years, all right.
Speaker 1: I asked the question before the break about what can
Speaker 1: get Everson and the rest of Cowboys Nation excited about
Speaker 1: this Dallas defense. Let me say this though, before we
Speaker 1: get into that about Keyan O'Neil and Mickey, let me
Speaker 1: ask you, how do you think in contrast to the
Speaker 1: other safeties Kazee and Hooker that the Cowboys had brought
Speaker 1: in with their achilles injuries just last season. Well, one
Speaker 1: thing about Keyan O'Neil is that he has come back
Speaker 1: and played an entire season after both his acl and
Speaker 1: his achilles. Last year he had a hundred tackles for
Speaker 1: atlant he had nine tackles for loss, and so he
Speaker 1: has done something since his major injuries. The thing that
Speaker 1: intrigues me about Keyan O'Neil not only is the fact
Speaker 1: that that prior to his injuries his athleticism. I mean,
Speaker 1: he first round draft pick and was productive his first
Speaker 1: two years in the league. In fact, he made the
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl in twenty seventeen when Atlanta went to the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. So he's done that and he's got a
Speaker 1: year under his belt getting over those injuries. But what
Speaker 1: intrigues me the most about him, Mickey, is the possibility
Speaker 1: of the Cowboys using him as a nickel linebacker. What
Speaker 1: do you what do you think about that? What have
Speaker 1: you heard about how the Cowboys might use Keyan O'Neil
Speaker 1: in this defense? Well, yeah, and he's a box safety,
Speaker 1: and you're right, he had a pretty darn good season
Speaker 1: this past year. He's like, he's like a poor man's
Speaker 1: Jamal Adams. Right, He's that type of safety. He's close
Speaker 1: to the line. You don't want him in coverage. Probably.
Speaker 1: He started fourteen or fifteen games after coming back from
Speaker 1: a ruptured achilles, had a hundred tackles. Not a big
Speaker 1: guy for interceptions, he had one. But the one thing
Speaker 1: that I thought stood out to him. And you know,
Speaker 1: he was a former first rounder, seventeenth pick in the draft,
Speaker 1: and in his rookie season in the Super Bowl he
Speaker 1: ended up with thirteen tackles, nine solo against New England. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: it was that defense that fell apart the second half,
Speaker 1: but at least he did something. And you're right, as
Speaker 1: he's big enough to be able to play the nickel
Speaker 1: linebacker spot, and that was one of the problems the
Speaker 1: Cowboys had. Jalen Smith should not have been out there
Speaker 1: on that nickel as the week side linebacker when they
Speaker 1: went to two linebackers. He struggles in coverage or just
Speaker 1: struggled period. Right, So it'll be interested to see if
Speaker 1: if he is the type of guy that can do that.
Speaker 1: But he's not that big. Um. I think he's like
Speaker 1: two twenty five if if if I'm correct, he's actually
Speaker 1: I mean, he's listed more like two twenty two sixteens. Okay,
Speaker 1: So yeah, but that is that is what's happening in
Speaker 1: this league with all the three receiver four receiver sets
Speaker 1: and you're in nickel and dimes so much that to
Speaker 1: have someone who can tackle who I mean, he's not
Speaker 1: Cam Chancellor, but he plays a lot like Cam Chancellor,
Speaker 1: you know. Uh. And as far as being able to
Speaker 1: to as a nickel linebacker alongside Vanderish, my question on
Speaker 1: it is what we have seen in the last throughout
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith's career here is there has not been a
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator willing to take Jalen Smith off the field
Speaker 1: and or find a role for Jalen Smith and a nickel.
Speaker 1: If you're gonna put Kean in Neil and Layton Vanderish
Speaker 1: as your two nickel linebackers, what do you do with
Speaker 1: Jalen Smith? Is my question? Yeah, And I'm not sure,
Speaker 1: you know. And we're talking about a guy that led
Speaker 1: the team and tackles the past two years, right, And
Speaker 1: I know everybody doesn't like his antics on the field,
Speaker 1: this and that, but you got to figure out how
Speaker 1: to play him. I'm not sure he's a weak side linebacker.
Speaker 1: I thought he did better in the middle, and Vanderesh
Speaker 1: was probably better on the outside if he stays healthy.
Speaker 1: You know, they tried to make that switch last year
Speaker 1: without an off season. It didn't work out so well.
Speaker 1: So I'll be interested to see. But I think a
Speaker 1: box safety, you know, that's pretty good. I just I
Speaker 1: just don't want to see that nickel defense out there
Speaker 1: against teams with two line two fullbacks on the field.
Speaker 1: And I will leave it at that. Okay, Now, as
Speaker 1: to get excited, I'm taking that Everson didn't get excited
Speaker 1: over the Cowboys resigning Jordan Lewis their nickel cornerback. Well,
Speaker 1: here's my thing. If you're gonna use Jordan Lewis the
Speaker 1: way we use him last year, I am not in
Speaker 1: favor of that. Bill brought it up in regards to
Speaker 1: the nickel defense. You just brought it up in in
Speaker 1: regards to the nickel defense on first down versus two
Speaker 1: tight ends or even one tight end and a fullback
Speaker 1: and a dominuative and a fullback, you're looking at the
Speaker 1: dominutive guy out there doing the best he can. Now,
Speaker 1: I disagree with you on one thing. I didn't like
Speaker 1: him against the run, but spags I did like him
Speaker 1: against the past. He did decent in the slot. He's
Speaker 1: only the only guy we have that can come to
Speaker 1: that slot guy. You're not bringing in Kean O'Neil to
Speaker 1: be Jordan Lewis on pass in nickel. You bring him
Speaker 1: in just in case they want you continue to be
Speaker 1: this stubborn team that wants to play nickel against two
Speaker 1: tight ends or tighten the fullback. So we're going to
Speaker 1: continue to do that, and I don't know if Quinn
Speaker 1: is a fan of that, then Keyan O'Neil would be
Speaker 1: the guy that would be a better fit against the
Speaker 1: two tight ends up one tight end and fullback. Yes,
Speaker 1: I do get that. In regards to Jaylen Smith, maybe
Speaker 1: having Keanu out there, if he's able to do all
Speaker 1: the things be wanting to do, and he plays us
Speaker 1: as as strong and plays at box safety like he
Speaker 1: did last year, then that might be a good thing
Speaker 1: for Jaylen because now he doesn't have to feel like
Speaker 1: he has to overcompensate for a guy out there who's
Speaker 1: five ten, one hundred and seventy five pounds. So hopefully
Speaker 1: it will give Jaylen an opportunity or whoever that linebacker is,
Speaker 1: to have more of a straight line path to helping
Speaker 1: stop the run, to maybe even making an I pat
Speaker 1: in the middle of the field, because now you've got
Speaker 1: Keyan O'Neil having a nice anchor out there against the
Speaker 1: two tight end and one tight in fullback situation. So
Speaker 1: hopefully bringing in Keyanu, I don't have to be a
Speaker 1: fan for it, but I give it love if it works.
Speaker 1: If you bring in Keyanu to help anchor on that
Speaker 1: nickel defense, maybe Jayalen Smith can have an opportunity to
Speaker 1: be more of a straight line player, because when it
Speaker 1: comes to movement outside, he keeps getting cut off, and
Speaker 1: that's what I don't like. He keeps getting cut off
Speaker 1: by offensive lineman and therefore they carve down the pursuit.
Speaker 1: If Keyan O'Neil can come in and anchor that better,
Speaker 1: then we might be looking at a totally different thing.
Speaker 1: If they continue to want to use nickel defense on
Speaker 1: first down, which I'm still not in favor of. Okay, Bill,
Speaker 1: so well, what wouldn't get you excited? Well, one more
Speaker 1: thing on Jalen Smith. I would like to see a
Speaker 1: coach come in here and just see if Jalen Smith
Speaker 1: can do anything as an edge rusher. I mean, we
Speaker 1: thought we've seen him being used rushing the passer, but
Speaker 1: they were lining him up like in the middle, and
Speaker 1: you know, without him being able to use any edge
Speaker 1: rushing ability that he might have. I don't know what
Speaker 1: kind of edge, but to your point, ever, since he's
Speaker 1: more of a straight line defender than he is playing
Speaker 1: in space, and so I would like to see him if, if, if,
Speaker 1: if their plan is to have Neil and banderashes your
Speaker 1: two nickel linebackers, is the plan, then have Jalen as
Speaker 1: an edge rusher. I'd like to see him at least
Speaker 1: experiment with that and see but not as an inside
Speaker 1: rusher like what they were using under Marinelli. The only downside,
Speaker 1: the only downside on that, Bill, is who you taken
Speaker 1: off the field to make him an edge rusher. To
Speaker 1: Marcus Lawrence Brandy Gregory, I ain't in favor of either
Speaker 1: of that. No, that's right. Yeah. And when we go
Speaker 1: back to the original question of what really excites me?
Speaker 1: Have we signed all the Smith yet? No, they have not.
Speaker 1: Are we going to sign him? Are we thinking of
Speaker 1: signing him? That's does he want to resign? You know
Speaker 1: you have to ask that question too, looking for? You know,
Speaker 1: how much is he looking for? I always said, and
Speaker 1: you and I agreed on this bags that moving all
Speaker 1: the Smith up and down the line and not having
Speaker 1: him in one place and being so isolated, that really
Speaker 1: did help not just his stats, but it helped the
Speaker 1: cowboy's defense, and that's what's most important. When he's being
Speaker 1: moved around. They got a little bit confused on the
Speaker 1: other side of the ball in regards to how to
Speaker 1: block him. And it was somewhat effective in regards to
Speaker 1: how we played against the run. And I know we
Speaker 1: didn't play well against the run much at all, but
Speaker 1: when the eat, when Alda Smith was moving up and
Speaker 1: down the line, it gave them off this problems. Keep
Speaker 1: in mind that probably Alden Smith's biggest advocate in that
Speaker 1: room as the personnel decisions, is probably his biggest advocate
Speaker 1: on the coaching staff was Jim tom Sula, who had
Speaker 1: him in San Francisco and Jim tom Seula is not
Speaker 1: here anymore. So I wouldn't be surprised if that was
Speaker 1: the case. So we'll see what happens with him. All right,
Speaker 1: Alabama Pro Day going on today. You talk about what
Speaker 1: might excite me as far as they got to do
Speaker 1: something at cornerback obviously, and I think all signs are
Speaker 1: pointing right now to them. Really, I would say if
Speaker 1: I put a percentage on it, Patrick Certan, the Alabama
Speaker 1: cornerback is I would put it at seventy five to
Speaker 1: eighty percent chance that the Cowboys are drafting him at
Speaker 1: number ten. Mike McCarthy's there today. I mean, just reading
Speaker 1: the tea leaves on it right now here, over a
Speaker 1: month away from the draft. I wouldn't be at all
Speaker 1: surprised if curtains their pick. What would you think of that,
Speaker 1: mister cornerback over there with I do not mind having
Speaker 1: a Alabama bookends it regards to the cornerback position. But
Speaker 1: these guys, as we could tell with Trayvon last year,
Speaker 1: it's hard to be that Alabama guy when you don't
Speaker 1: have that Alabama front four. Okay, and that Spags pointed
Speaker 1: out if we could just get some pressure, it will
Speaker 1: make a big difference. But I want to see how
Speaker 1: players are gonna play without that pressure. Can can he
Speaker 1: come in and do well in that regard. We didn't
Speaker 1: see that from from Trayvon last year. When we did
Speaker 1: and they have pressure, he didn't play well. So you
Speaker 1: have to be able to adapt, you know, to that
Speaker 1: little adversity that you're gonna have to deal with. You're
Speaker 1: not gonna be able to squat down on the routes
Speaker 1: like you did in Alabama. You don't have the defensive
Speaker 1: lineman and we had Alabama. They don't have to. We
Speaker 1: don't make the impact from the front floor like they
Speaker 1: did at Alabama. So you better be ready to adapt
Speaker 1: to the situation and make sure that your game is
Speaker 1: conducive to being able to play defense and being able
Speaker 1: to play one on one. For a long time, when
Speaker 1: I was with the Cowboys, as much as we had
Speaker 1: doomsday defense and we had Ed and Randy and John
Speaker 1: Dutton and Harvey Martin, when you have the flex defense call,
Speaker 1: they ain't going nowhere. I had to play defense back
Speaker 1: there for like six seconds because my defensive lineman, We're
Speaker 1: being handcuffed by the system itself. When you let them go,
Speaker 1: we're bawling. But when they're not, we have to be
Speaker 1: back there and played discipline, man to man defense. And
Speaker 1: that is tough to do for four or five six
Speaker 1: seconds in in the NFL. So whoever they'd better bring,
Speaker 1: whoever they bring in, they'd better be ready to have
Speaker 1: the track shoes on and not get frustrated giving them
Speaker 1: up deep inside plays throughout the entire season. So Bill
Speaker 1: Curtain is yes, go ahead. No, I was gonna say
Speaker 1: go ahead on certain, and I got one more thing
Speaker 1: to say about it before we go. Well. The other
Speaker 1: thing on certain is, uh, he's not running today. Uh.
Speaker 1: He measured six two, two hundred eight pounds, So there's
Speaker 1: a big corner. Yeah. Nice. Uh. The other thing that
Speaker 1: I like about bigger than his father, right exactly. And
Speaker 1: of course his father played very well in the NFL
Speaker 1: at a very high level. And uh certain he has
Speaker 1: been groomed to be an NFL cornerback since he first
Speaker 1: was tossed a football by his daddy when he was
Speaker 1: two years old. I mean, he came to Alabama and
Speaker 1: he started immediately. He was you know, Trayvon was a
Speaker 1: receiver like his brother Stephan and converted to cornerback. He
Speaker 1: may have more upside from an athletic standpoint in his
Speaker 1: NFL career as far as being a playmakers. Talking about Trayvon,
Speaker 1: but Curtin was the better cornerback when they played at
Speaker 1: Alabama because of what all those things you're talking about,
Speaker 1: his discipline, his training as a cornerback and so far.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's kind of like he didn't have the
Speaker 1: playmaking skills probably or on his resume as what Antoine
Speaker 1: Winfield junior head at University of Minnesota, but he was like,
Speaker 1: like Curtain Winfield was trained out of the womb to
Speaker 1: be an NFL defensive back, and he showed it his
Speaker 1: first year in the league. And so that would excite
Speaker 1: me about certain all right, Mickey, close it out, And
Speaker 1: here's would probably not excite the fan base. When I
Speaker 1: saw Bucky Brooks's mock draft, the second one at number
Speaker 1: ten after four cornerback quarter after four quarterbacks were taken
Speaker 1: in the top nine, two offensive lineman and two wide
Speaker 1: receivers and one corner which was Fireley, who, by the way,
Speaker 1: is getting ready to have micro dissectomy surgery for a
Speaker 1: ruptured disc in his back. And he's probably out until May. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's not going at number ten. A number ten, Bucky
Speaker 1: Brooks gave the Cowboys offensive lineman Vera Tucker from Southern
Speaker 1: cal who I think he played a combination of guard
Speaker 1: and tackle with Sir Tan still on the board. And
Speaker 1: also Micah Parsons, who he labeled as the best defensive
Speaker 1: player in the draft, a linebacker from Penn State who
Speaker 1: didn't play last year. By the way, So, uh, I
Speaker 1: keep seeing this offensive line thing, and I just can't
Speaker 1: seem that they can qualify taking an offensive lineman. If
Speaker 1: you think that Tyrn Smith and Lele Collins are ready
Speaker 1: to go, yeah, well you think, and they should know
Speaker 1: and by time April twenty ninth shows up, they should
Speaker 1: know what sort of situation they're in. And both of
Speaker 1: those guys are out here running right now and don't
Speaker 1: seem to be limited. Okay, don't seem to be limited.
Speaker 1: But they've got the they've got the medical records, and
Speaker 1: we don't have the medical record, right, And that's why
Speaker 1: I'm saying, So if they if they do that, then
Speaker 1: we'll know that they have reservations about one or both. Right,
Speaker 1: But if it's true, But if they think those guys
Speaker 1: are ready to go. That guy's gonna come in here
Speaker 1: and to me, I get and I'll say it till
Speaker 1: him blew in the face. If they have another injury
Speaker 1: at offensive tackle, Zach Martin immediately moves out there. He's
Speaker 1: my tackle, and I'll take care of the guard position,
Speaker 1: not wait like they did last year and let that
Speaker 1: position ruin an offense. So but if if they have
Speaker 1: an injury at offensive tackle and they've drafted a guy
Speaker 1: with a tenth pick who's an offensive tackle, who's your
Speaker 1: offensive tackle that goes in there, well, he better be
Speaker 1: ready if I take him in the first round, right,
Speaker 1: that exactly, And so that's where they got to do
Speaker 1: their due diligence on that tackle exactly where Okay, he's
Speaker 1: he's the guy now, because if they don't get hurt, Martin,
Speaker 1: if they don't get hurt, that guy is he gonna
Speaker 1: is he gonna challenge to be a starting guard. You know,
Speaker 1: at some point you can't have forced first rounders on
Speaker 1: the offensive line. You've got to spread it around. And
Speaker 1: I can qualify a linebacker because after the two linebackers
Speaker 1: they have, who's the next guy up? That's what I thought, well, right,
Speaker 1: Silence but you can also qualify Mickey. You can also
Speaker 1: qualify an offensive lineman. Because I told you who the
Speaker 1: next guy they lose one on. The next guy up
Speaker 1: is Zack Martin. He'd better be working again. He better
Speaker 1: be working for his fans right now. Connor mcgovernn, you know,
Speaker 1: came on as a guard when he took Zach's place,
Speaker 1: when he moved out to tackle. Well, here's here's the
Speaker 1: other thing, and we're out of time, but or way
Speaker 1: past time. The other thing on these draft picks, it's
Speaker 1: not solely about this year. It's the next five years.
Speaker 1: And so where are you at with Tyrn Smith next year,
Speaker 1: the year after, the year after two, and where are
Speaker 1: you but at the same point a linebacker? Where are
Speaker 1: you at linebacker? Yeah, zact same thing, cornerback, the same thing.
Speaker 1: So it gets back to take the best player exactly
Speaker 1: the position that you can use him exactly. And that's
Speaker 1: always been the Cowboys of philosophy really for a long time,
Speaker 1: even back to Joe Brant, and if he can the
Speaker 1: best athlete possible, and if it's an offensive lineman that
Speaker 1: they better trade back. This is the tenth pick in
Speaker 1: the draft. Ye I gotta have Smith I gotta I
Speaker 1: gotta have DeMarcus Ware right, he was a left Well,
Speaker 1: you gotta have tyringth if that tackle is the tenth
Speaker 1: pick in the draft, right, it's gotta be Tyring Smith.
Speaker 1: And I don't want a guy to play guard that
Speaker 1: can play tackle, Okay, I want to tackle that can
Speaker 1: play guard just like a guard. It's a sixteenth pick
Speaker 1: in the draft, he better be Zach Martin right In
Speaker 1: that too, it was a center. Who's the thirty first
Speaker 1: pick in the draft. He better be draft that they
Speaker 1: that they traded back to get him at thirty one down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's true. We got the receivers Cherns Williams, who's well,
Speaker 1: never mind any great that we figured all this out,
Speaker 1: but we needed seven extra minutes. I see, all right?
Speaker 1: Does it for Mick Shots? Wow? These offseason mix shots
Speaker 1: we can go two hours. Good job, guys, the good job,
Speaker 1: all right, good job, all right. We'll talk at you
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