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Speaker 1: Welcome back to fish Bites on the Road, on the toilet,

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Speaker 1: on fish Stripes covering all things Miami Marlins related. You

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Speaker 1: know me by now. It's Eli Sussman and making his

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Speaker 1: fish Bites debut during this first segment of this episode.

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Speaker 1: It's LJ. Garcia. You can find him on Twitter at

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Speaker 1: LJ Garcia underscore f s and I'm really excited to

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Speaker 1: have his perspective on fish stripes dot Com on the

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Speaker 1: pod as well to steer that Marlins fan conversation in

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Speaker 1: new and interesting directions. He figures to be a recurring

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Speaker 1: guest on the pod, maybe an occasional host. We'll see. LJ.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for taking the time to come.

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Speaker 2: On, Eli, Thank you so much for having me. Love

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Speaker 2: listening to the podcast. Never thought the day would come

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Speaker 2: where I'd actually be a part of it. So very

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Speaker 2: excited here, very excited to be joining the fish Stripes team.

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Speaker 2: You know we're coming off of one hundred and five

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Speaker 2: lost season, so things can really only go up from here,

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Speaker 2: and I'm excited about the future of the Marlins organization

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Speaker 2: in general. So yeah, I appreciate you having me and

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Speaker 2: looking forward to to getting things going here.

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Speaker 1: Well, I put you in a tough spot because right

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Speaker 1: after I bring you into Fish Stripes, your first quote

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Speaker 1: assignment was representing the Marlins in this off season simulation

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Speaker 1: that we do on Espianation every single year. It's nothing

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Speaker 1: that I've ever participated in myself, but I always delegated

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Speaker 1: things creatively. Every year for the last handful of years,

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Speaker 1: it's been choosing some person to represent each of the

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Speaker 1: would happen in a normal off season in terms of arbitration,

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Speaker 1: eligible players, free agents, and trades. You represented the Marlins

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Speaker 1: can you explain how exactly this simulation worked, how you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so going into this, I really didn't know what

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Speaker 2: Basically all of what you would expect from a general manager,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it should be noted that the it wasn't

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Speaker 2: Well, first up to kind of tick you back off

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Speaker 2: But what I did do was I did spend a

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Speaker 2: but I wanted to first off, spend all the money

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Speaker 2: Another thing that I wanted to do was I wanted

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Speaker 2: I would say the biggest move that I made was

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Speaker 2: traded Chris Momka for Peter Lambert, Jake McGee and Daniel Murphy.

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Speaker 2: So in the past, the Marlins have traded some pitching

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Speaker 1: Well, he's a second round talent. He fell all the

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Speaker 2: Right right, So still very young, And what was going

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Speaker 2: And there's two more years on his deal, so you know,

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Speaker 2: I think it's gonna make the Marlins a little bit more,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you don't need to argue that move too

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Speaker 1: This past week that we're coming off of, Michael Hill

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Speaker 1: actually build around in that pen. So yeah, I'm on

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Speaker 1: board with the bullpen as well. I mean, just some

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Speaker 1: particular things that bothered me this past year and going

434
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Speaker 1: back several years. I'd have to dig up the numbers,

435
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Speaker 1: but there's this pretty incredible trend going back about seven

436
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Speaker 1: years and four or five different hitting coaches that the

437
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Speaker 1: Marlins are always at the very top in ground ball

438
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Speaker 1: rate and how often those ground balls, of course turn

439
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Speaker 1: into routine outs or even double plays. And despite the

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Speaker 1: ballpark that they play in, and as you mentioned, probably well,

441
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Speaker 1: something that you can infer based on your comments is

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Speaker 1: that because of the ballpark they play, and it is

443
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Speaker 1: important to have speed. Just realizing that you're not going

444
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Speaker 1: to hit as many home runs as other teams, but

445
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Speaker 1: you can still produce runs by taking extra bases in between.

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Speaker 1: I mean that being said, when you are putting the

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Speaker 1: ball in play, you give yourself a better opportunity to

448
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Speaker 1: get extra base hits when you actually elevate the ball.

449
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Speaker 1: Howie Kendrick as a particular guy that knows all about that,

450
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Speaker 1: Daniel Murphy as we mentioned earlier, and even just guys

451
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Speaker 1: that have good plate discipline. The Marlins were among the

452
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Speaker 1: most over aggressive teams in baseball last year, not only

453
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Speaker 1: in like taking fewer walks than anybody else, but simply

454
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Speaker 1: not using pitches the way that other teams do. Like

455
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Speaker 1: not working opposing starters and getting into opposing bullpens. So

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Speaker 1: simply having guys that work deep counts. That's another one

457
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Speaker 1: that could have a lot of indirect benefits to the

458
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Speaker 1: rest of them if they pick up a few veterans

459
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Speaker 1: that know how to do that. And those are guys

460
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Speaker 1: that you can find in a lot of different shapes

461
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Speaker 1: and forms, whether it's someone like Jasio Poligue who has

462
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Speaker 1: a lot more play discipline than he sometimes gets credit for.

463
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Speaker 1: Brock Holt is someone I've mentioned before who is not

464
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Speaker 1: necessarily even expecting to be a full time player, but

465
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Speaker 1: having players that are both versatile defensively so that they

466
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Speaker 1: don't block any particular top prospect that comes up through

467
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Speaker 1: the system, but also just have a lot of these

468
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Speaker 1: fundamental offensive characteristics that they can draw upon, and in

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Speaker 1: part to the younger teammates, it's this is like a

470
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Speaker 1: big year to take that incremental step forward and it

471
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Speaker 1: doesn't really take all that much of an investment to

472
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Speaker 1: get like a higher caliber player that you can trust

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Speaker 1: and that you can actually market pretty well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and to go back to the bullpen briefly, I

475
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Speaker 2: think Nick Vinson is a name that makes a lot

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Speaker 2: of sense. He was with the Giants and Phillies last year,

477
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Speaker 2: and he's worked previously with mel Stotameier Junior in Seattle

478
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Speaker 2: and Stottlemeyer just got signed to a new two year contract,

479
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Speaker 2: so I think he would help out the bullpen a lot.

480
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Speaker 2: And another need that I would like to see them

481
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Speaker 2: addressed would be they have to sign a backup cutcher

482
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Speaker 2: in the offseason. Sim Over this past weekend, I was

483
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Speaker 2: trying really hard to get Luis Campisano of the Padres.

484
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Speaker 2: He's a prospect who I've heard comparisons of Yadier Molina too.

485
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Speaker 2: Seems to be shortening his swing a little bit, so

486
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Speaker 2: he's not always swinging for the fences. He's got a

487
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Speaker 2: great arm. Price tag was just too high. Another guy

488
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Speaker 2: I wanted was tried to get with Jake Rogers. Detroit

489
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Speaker 2: got him in the Justin Verlander trade. Great defensive catcher.

490
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Speaker 2: Still needs to work the plate, but he got a

491
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Speaker 2: taste of the majors last year, so you know, I

492
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Speaker 2: know it's not always easy to find a backup catcher,

493
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Speaker 2: but you know, with just torge Al Farrow right now,

494
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Speaker 2: because we don't know what's going to go on with

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Speaker 2: Chad Wallack, Brian Holliy is not here anymore. I think

496
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Speaker 2: backup catcher needs to be a priority for this team

497
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Speaker 2: as well.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. Something that I've looked even deeper into is that

499
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Speaker 1: the higher levels of their minor league system is pretty

500
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Speaker 1: bare when it comes to other catching options. I mean,

501
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Speaker 1: there's another gap before they actually get to some of

502
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Speaker 1: their decent prospects like Will Fortes and Will Banfields. Both

503
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Speaker 1: those guys are Nick Fortes and Will Banfield, both those

504
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Speaker 1: guys being multiple years away. So yeah, internally, that's the

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Speaker 1: one position that they probably have less depth than any other.

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Speaker 1: And so yeah, there are a lot of options out

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Speaker 1: there in free agency. And as much as I love

508
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Speaker 1: or halfar On, the one thing that a lot of

509
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Speaker 1: people love about him is the intensity that he plays

510
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Speaker 1: with and the hustle that he plays with. But that

511
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Speaker 1: makes him, I would think, more susceptible to injury. And

512
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Speaker 1: even this past year he played, he was their primary catcher,

513
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Speaker 1: but wasn't a qualified hitter, didn't play quite as much

514
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Speaker 1: as your typical starting catcher does. And I think part

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Speaker 1: of that is just understanding well where they are in

516
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Speaker 1: They're rebuilt where they wanted to be fully healthy. A

517
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Speaker 1: couple of years from now and fully developed by then,

518
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Speaker 1: but also understanding that he sometimes can be his own

519
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Speaker 1: worse enemy with how often he likes to hustle and

520
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Speaker 1: the kind of contact that he's willing to take behind

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Speaker 1: the plate. So I'm all on board with that as well.

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Speaker 1: Just touching on some current events before I get you

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Speaker 1: out of here with LJ. Garcia, our new guy here

524
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Speaker 1: at Fish Stripes. We have some Marlins related news, one

525
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Speaker 1: of those being that Baseball Hall of Fame has its

526
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Speaker 1: modern Baseball era ballot going to be voted on at

527
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Speaker 1: the winter meetings. I believe they're going to make that

528
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Speaker 1: announcement about a few additional Hall of Famers that are

529
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Speaker 1: not on the traditional writer's ballot, and these guys coming

530
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Speaker 1: from the nineteen eighties and the nineteen nineties, and if

531
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Speaker 1: you know anything about baseball in the eighties and nineties,

532
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Speaker 1: Don matting Lee was one of the faces of baseball,

533
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Speaker 1: even at a time when the Yankees weren't making the playoffs.

534
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Speaker 1: He was amazing as an all round player. And you

535
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Speaker 1: had mentioned before coming on the pod that you just

536
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Speaker 1: wanted to talk a little bit about Madding's career and

537
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Speaker 1: whether or not you think he'll be able to crack

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Speaker 1: through to the Hall of Fame finally, because he's been

539
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Speaker 1: a guy, one of the more notable players that had

540
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Speaker 1: a great playing career and yet to this point is

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Speaker 1: left out of Cooper.

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Speaker 2: Cent Yeah, when those players for the Modern Committee got announced,

543
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 2: no Marlins that were announced, but Donny Baseball. Yeah, you know,

544
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Speaker 2: he had a long career with the New York Yankees

545
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Speaker 2: in the eighties. His war of forty two point four

546
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Speaker 2: and two hundred and twenty two career home runs. Those

547
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Speaker 2: don't really jump out at you, but he is a

548
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Speaker 2: career three zero seven hitter, led the league in hits twice,

549
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Speaker 2: and he was the leader of the New York Yankees

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Speaker 2: in the nineteen eighties. And you know, you mentioned earlier

551
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Speaker 2: about how they weren't going to the World Series back then,

552
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Speaker 2: but a lot of people don't realize this. The Yankees

553
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Speaker 2: had the most wins out of any team in the

554
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Speaker 2: nineteen eighties despite not winning a championship. So it's kind

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Speaker 2: of funny how his career played out because his rookie

556
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Speaker 2: year was in nineteen eighty two, the year after they

557
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Speaker 2: lost to the Dodgers in the World Series, and then

558
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Speaker 2: his final season was ninety five, the year before they

559
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Speaker 2: won the World Series in ninety six, another World Series drought.

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Speaker 2: So it's kind of funny. He had this long fourteen

561
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Speaker 2: year career with the Yankees, no World Series appearances, but yeah,

562
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Speaker 2: he was. He was the leader of that team, and

563
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Speaker 2: I think that'll get recognized that. I do think he'll

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Speaker 2: get in this year. My picks to get in, I

565
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Speaker 2: think matting League gets in. Lou Whitaker, I think it's

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Speaker 2: another one that's long overdue. I think he gets in.

567
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Speaker 2: Thurman Munson is another one where I think he'll finally

568
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Speaker 2: get in, and Tommy John I think I see those

569
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Speaker 2: four players going in with this modern committee and getting

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Speaker 2: into the Hall of Fame this year.

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Speaker 1: And what makes matting Lee kind of unique. Of course,

572
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Speaker 1: he's managing the Marlins now the past four years and

573
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Speaker 1: under contract for another two years before that the Dodgers,

574
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Speaker 1: and it's pretty unusual for a player of his caliber

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Speaker 1: to go into coaching and then go into managing. Because

576
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Speaker 1: he was actually a coach on the Yankee staff for

577
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Speaker 1: a handful of years before even getting his manager real job.

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Speaker 1: He's just always been around the game, which is unusual

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Speaker 1: when you have that type of career, you don't necessarily

580
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Speaker 1: need to work for the money anymore. But yet he's

581
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Speaker 1: been a real lifer around baseball. And another guy that

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Speaker 1: could to some extent follow in his footsteps is Martin Prado,

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Speaker 1: where we have a report now from John Hayman earlier

584
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Speaker 1: this past week that Prato's telling his friends that he's

585
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Speaker 1: likely going to retire. He hasn't filed the paperwork yet,

586
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Speaker 1: but he's a free agent. He's coming off a pretty

587
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Speaker 1: unproductive season and really several unproductive years, so he just

588
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Speaker 1: understands that the writing is on the wall a little bit.

589
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Speaker 1: Not going to generate all that much interest in free agency,

590
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Speaker 1: would probably have to sell for a minor league deal,

591
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Speaker 1: and for all that he's accomplished in his career, he's

592
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Speaker 1: been around for parts of fourteen major league seasons, and

593
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Speaker 1: he had a couple of years in there as a

594
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Speaker 1: full time player, was an All Star one year with

595
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Speaker 1: the Braves, made tens of millions of dollars, including forty

596
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Speaker 1: million dollars in that very last contract extension with the Marlins.

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Speaker 1: That this seems to be the end for Prado. He

598
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Speaker 1: was beloved in the Marlins clubhouse, and I think just

599
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: more specifically, he has some of those attributes that a

600
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,479
Speaker 1: lot of people see in someone like Don maddenly and

601
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: it leads to a lot of speculation that he could

602
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Speaker 1: go into coaching pretty soon after his retirement. And it's

603
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: always just such a really complicated situation, especially now in

604
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Speaker 1: the twenty first century where salaries have exploded for most

605
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Speaker 1: full time players in the majors, where he doesn't necessarily

606
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Speaker 1: need to work anymore, But he has some of those

607
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Speaker 1: attributes that it may just be in his nature to

608
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Speaker 1: like stay around the game as a coach or whatever.

609
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Speaker 1: And is that something he thinks important for the Marlins

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Speaker 1: to try to keep him around their team, specifically in

611
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Speaker 1: some sort of role, whether it's as an advisor or

612
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Speaker 1: spring craning instructor or even in a stable coaching job

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Speaker 1: in the near future.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it'd be great for the organization because

615
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Speaker 2: he's the type of player who just he loves playing

616
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 2: the game. You know, the past few years for him

617
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 2: have been really injury riddled seasons, and I think if

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Speaker 2: it wasn't for those injuries, he would continue to play.

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Speaker 2: But you're just at the point right now where his

620
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:06,719
Speaker 2: body's just saying, I can't do this anymore. But you know,

621
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Speaker 2: to have a guy like that in the clubhouse to

622
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Speaker 2: share his knowledge with this young crop of talents the

623
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Speaker 2: Marlins have coming up, I think it's gonna be very beneficial.

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Speaker 2: You know, he's a bilingual guy as well, so you

625
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 2: know he can you know, there's there's really no limits

626
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Speaker 2: to what he can do. I think, yeah, I think

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Speaker 2: it'd be great. Guy had what the almost a fifteen

628
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Speaker 2: year career, so played for four different organizations, just has

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Speaker 2: a wealth of knowledge that I agree with you one

630
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Speaker 2: hundred percent. I think he'd make a great coach. And

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Speaker 2: if you're the Marlins, yeah, keep him in house, you know,

632
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Speaker 2: have him he's already familiar with this team anyway, have

633
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Speaker 2: him share that knowledge with some of the younger guys.

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Speaker 1: That'll be curious to see how quickly they try to

635
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Speaker 1: pursue that, because as we speak at this moment before

636
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Speaker 1: the GM meetings, they don't even have a full twenty

637
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: coaching staff actually filled out. I don't expect that he'll

638
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Speaker 1: be a candidate to make that leap quite as quickly.

639
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Speaker 1: But they brought in a pretty well claimed hitting instructor,

640
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Speaker 1: James Rouson from the Twins. But he's gonna be serving

641
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Speaker 1: as the bench coach, and they're giving him a title

642
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: of offensive coordinator, and it still leaves their actual hitting

643
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Speaker 1: coach positions undeclared because they made a change in the

644
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Speaker 1: middle of last year bringing in a tandem of Jeff

645
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Speaker 1: Livesay and Eric Duncan, but the production down the stretch

646
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Speaker 1: didn't necessarily make a big jump with those guys in charge,

647
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Speaker 1: so it's still a little fluid the situation on their

648
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Speaker 1: major league team. But he's a guy that it just

649
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 1: really sticks out to me, like all the comments that

650
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: come out of that Marlin's clubhouse about people looking up

651
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: to him, even understanding, especially in twenty nineteen where he

652
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: wasn't going to provide any value on the field, they

653
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: just seem to have this much deeper respect for him.

654
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Speaker 1: And aside from that, I think I got even more

655
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Speaker 1: than I was hoping for out of you, LJ. You

656
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Speaker 1: have a couple articles up on the website from recent days.

657
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Speaker 1: I'm going to tell people to check out where we

658
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: have this long series called Deep Sea Fishing, where we're

659
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: going to be looking at pretty much every single notable

660
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: free agent still out there on the Marlins out there

661
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: in free agency that could be a fit for the

662
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Speaker 1: Marlins if they're willing to spend at a significant level.

663
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Speaker 1: I know you've mentioned a couple guys, a couple like

664
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Speaker 1: stop gap shortstop types that could make a lot of

665
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: sense for the team. So we're going to make sure

666
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Speaker 1: to go through that entire category of players, among other things,

667
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,320
Speaker 1: and we're gonna bring you on the podcast, hopefully again

668
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Speaker 1: in the real near future, as there are some more

669
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Speaker 1: compelling rumors to talk about. Sound good?

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Speaker 2: All right, sounds good to me. I'm looking very forward

671
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Speaker 2: to it. I know I had some big shoes to

672
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Speaker 2: fill it. I don't know if I quite have the

673
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 2: resume of Kelly Saco the last guests, but I enjoyed

674
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Speaker 2: being on and looking very forward to joining you again.

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Speaker 2: I had a great time, and go fish.

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Speaker 1: There are still almost two months left here in the

677
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Speaker 1: year twenty nineteen. A few Marlins transactions expected before the

678
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 1: end of the year, whether it's in free agent signings

679
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,399
Speaker 1: or trades, something related to the Rule five draft, or

680
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: the space on their forty man roster. We're expecting a

681
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: little more before the year ends, but for all intents

682
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Speaker 1: and purposes, the decade has wrapped up. From twenty ten

683
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Speaker 1: to twenty nineteen, the whole twenty tens. We can put

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Speaker 1: that one in the books. No more games to be played,

685
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: no more champions left to be decided, And I won't

686
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Speaker 1: try to sugarcoat it. This has been a bad decade

687
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: to be a Marlins fan. Ten seasons, all ten missing

688
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 1: the postseason, all ten finishing below five hundred, only two

689
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 1: years in there where they even entered the month of

690
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: September having much of a prayer of championship hopes. It's

691
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: been a lot of interesting individual stretches. Of course, a

692
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: lot of those guys were traded when they still had

693
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: something left in the tank, and it has been painful

694
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 1: to see those guys start building on their legacies in

695
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: new uniforms and somewhat overshadowing what they did here with

696
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: the Marlins. But if you are a diehard fan, if

697
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: you listen to fish bites, you're on fish strives. If

698
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: you follow this team through thick and thin, then you've

699
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 1: seen it all and you're not going to forget about

700
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: these guys. Ten years is a long time, a big

701
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: chunk of Marlin's history. There have been two rebrandings, one

702
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: major one and a move into a new ballpark, new uniforms,

703
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: several different managers, and as I mentioned already, just constant

704
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: roster turnover on the player side and at the highest

705
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: level at the ownership level. It's been a very significant

706
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 1: decade for the team, as any decade is for any franchise,

707
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 1: and it has moving forward is put them on a

708
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: really encouraging course. As you've heard from me on this

709
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: podcast and throughout us the entire season. Why we're so

710
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 1: encouraged with what they're building now it seems to be

711
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: something different, with higher hopes of not only being competitive again,

712
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,879
Speaker 1: but staying that way. Before we get there yet, though,

713
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Speaker 1: we still need to look back at what this whole

714
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,839
Speaker 1: decade has been at the major league level, and we've

715
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Speaker 1: already touched on the mediocrity as a team, which is

716
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Speaker 1: why I'd rather turn my attention on the individual side

717
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 1: with a fish Stripes quiz, an audio quiz the first

718
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Speaker 1: of its kinds. If it sucks, then we won't do

719
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: it again, but we'll just try it here. Wrapping up

720
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Speaker 1: this episode of fish Bites over the past decade during

721
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 1: the twenty tens, I wanted to pick out the statistical

722
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Speaker 1: leaders in a variety of categories for the Marlins, picking

723
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Speaker 1: out the individual player that did the most of something

724
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Speaker 1: or the best of something for the Marlins during these

725
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Speaker 1: ten years. Overall, no one player was here for all

726
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Speaker 1: ten years, as I'm sure you're aware of, some were

727
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 1: more than others. You'll be surprised by a few of

728
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Speaker 1: the entries on these lists that we're only passing through

729
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: very briefly, made a big impression in a particular way.

730
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Speaker 1: No cheating in this case. Well, I'll try to keep

731
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Speaker 1: the gaps between question and answer very quick so you

732
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Speaker 1: don't have any time to listen up. And in addition

733
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Speaker 1: to all these categories on Boutserried, we'll have a few

734
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Speaker 1: extra ones bonus ones only available on fish stripes dot

735
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: com when you find the posting of this episode, so

736
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 1: be sure to follow up on that if you're not

737
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 1: already listening from the site directly. We begin with games

738
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: played pretty basic one these will be an increasing level

739
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 1: of difficulty, so we start with a few layups, and

740
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,760
Speaker 1: then by the end it'll be close to impossible to guess.

741
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: But to start us off, who had the most games

742
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: played for the Marlins during the twenty tens. Of course,

743
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 1: it's Gan Carlos dancing nine hundred and eighty six games,

744
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: averaging almost one hundred a year during the decade, even

745
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: though these past two years haven't played in pinstripes in

746
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 1: New York. Came up to the big leagues in twenty

747
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: ten as Mike Stanton as sure a thing as any

748
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: hitting prospect has been for the Marlins, and almost immediately

749
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 1: he showed that promise. Even with the injuries, even with

750
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: the strikeout issues and some streakiness, he more or less

751
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 1: has lived up to the hype as one of the

752
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: great power hitters of his generation. If you just include

753
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: the gen Carlos Stanton years he went as Mike in

754
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: those first two twenty ten twenty eleven. Even if you

755
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: wanted to separate the names as like two different people,

756
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:33,399
Speaker 1: then he would still be leading in the latter. That's

757
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 1: how much of a big lead he had over any

758
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 1: other player parts of eight seasons, and finishing it off

759
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen with that well deserved NL MVP award.

760
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 1: Moving on to stolen bases. Very different type of player

761
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: from Stanton, but one that has some ties to them,

762
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 1: and this one was not particularly close either. The leading

763
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 1: bass stealer for the Marlins during this decade, D Gordon

764
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: one hundred and forty eight steals, and only one guy

765
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: was even half as many as one forty eight. That

766
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 1: was Amelia Bonofacio with eighty two. Gordon just a few

767
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:17,439
Speaker 1: years with the Marlins, but a really dynamic leadoff hitter

768
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,720
Speaker 1: that first year in twenty fifteen, and then he finished

769
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: off strong in twenty seventeen as well. What stuck out

770
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: is that under Don Mattingley, ever since Gordon left, these

771
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,280
Speaker 1: past two years, the Marlins have been near the bottom

772
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: of the league in steals. Some of that has been

773
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 1: the whole style of game being played at the major

774
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: league level, so it's not only the Marlins that are

775
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 1: moving away from that, but especially the drop off is

776
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: so significant. Saying that d had some individual seasons where

777
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: he stole about as many as the Marlins do collectively

778
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: these days. He was that one guy that Mattingly gave

779
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: the green light to all the time entrusted to take

780
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 1: an extra base. So I do miss that style that

781
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: he brought, and of course the charisma and creativity that

782
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: he brought to the clubhouse as well. De Gordon good

783
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,720
Speaker 1: Marlin and now with the Mariners. The last two years

784
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 1: on the Mounds I'm asking you which Marlin's pitcher had

785
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: the most hit by pitches allowed during the decade. As

786
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 1: a hint, it's a guy that is currently on the

787
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 1: Marlins roster, so that should be a pretty big hint.

788
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:29,800
Speaker 1: It is Jose Urania thirty seven hit by pitches during

789
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: this decade, pretty significant lead over everybody else. Next few

790
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 1: names were in their twenties and had much more endings

791
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: logged than Urania has. This is similar to stolen bases.

792
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,280
Speaker 1: There's been a pretty notable trends going on across baseball

793
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: where hit by pitches are way up as pitchers are

794
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,280
Speaker 1: using their breaking bawls a lot more to get swings

795
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: and misses and chases out of the zone. Those can

796
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: be a little more difficult to control get a grip

797
00:41:55,560 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 1: on physically gripping the baseball itself and throwing it the

798
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: same way every time. As you know, that's not an

799
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,760
Speaker 1: excuse for Urania. He doesn't use very many breaking balls

800
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: by reputation, and the stats back it up. Most of

801
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: the times when he's plunking an opponent, it's on that

802
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: high nineties fastball of his, where some of it give

803
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: him the benefit of the doubt. I guess that it's

804
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 1: not always intentional, Sometimes just trying to pitch inside and

805
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: it tails a little bit too far in, or hitters

806
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 1: not getting out of the way being surprised as I

807
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: don't know. But when you add it all up together

808
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 1: in terms of total hit by pitches of the decade,

809
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: that was Urania number the opening day starter in the

810
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,800
Speaker 1: past two years, and as a move into a new decade,

811
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 1: the Marlins may be moving on from him, or at

812
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 1: least minimizing his role flipping back to the plate. What

813
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: about batting average? Who had the highest batting average out

814
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Speaker 1: of all the Marlins during this decade. For qualifying purposes,

815
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 1: I kept the standards pretty loose here. Anybody that played

816
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 1: multiple seasons in a semi regular role. They didn't need

817
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: to be a league leader, qualifier or any of that.

818
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: It kept it pretty loose to try to get some

819
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: interesting results. In this case, though, it was a pretty

820
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: household name one that we mentioned just a couple of

821
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: minutes ago. D Gordon three to zero nine batting average

822
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 1: during his Marlins years. Yelich Christian Yelich was second two ninety,

823
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: so a pretty notable gap right there with Gordon. Never

824
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 1: known as a discipline hitter. If he was going to

825
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: get on base, he was going to do it mostly

826
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: on the merits of his bat and his wheels to

827
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: leg out infield. Hits im possible only a few notable exceptions.

828
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: Gordon was not going to hit the ball over the wall,

829
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: but the fact that he was able to get so

830
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: many hits in the first place was very valuable to

831
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Speaker 1: the Marlins offense. Flipping that exact same stat around who

832
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: allowed the lowest batting average of the Marlins pitchers And

833
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: for this one, like I said, pretty loose with the standards.

834
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Speaker 1: Multiple seasons with the Marlins during the decade you were eligible,

835
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: any sort of semi regular, active roster spot was good

836
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: enough in this case. I don't think anybody would have

837
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: been able to guess it all that well. Randy Choate,

838
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 1: the veteran left hander, a couple of years with the

839
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: Marlins after they moved into the new Ballpark. He allowed

840
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: a one to sixty four opponent's batting average in that

841
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 1: very specialized role, aged very gracefully. At this point. I

842
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 1: think he's retired, but I'm not even entirely sure, because

843
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 1: those guys can stick around quite a while when they're

844
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: having their workload limited one sixty four, most of that,

845
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: of course facing opposing left handers, and he had that

846
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,800
Speaker 1: really unique delivery that made it hard for guys to

847
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: pick up on the team during his couple of years

848
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 1: weren't all that competitive whatsoever, but he did his part

849
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 1: as part of that trade coming over from the Dodgers.

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00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: The next three in line, aj Ramos, Kyle Bharklaw Carter Caps.

851
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 1: You remember Carter Caps. So all three of those guys

852
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: are next up, but not particularly close. They're much closer

853
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 1: to two hundred than to Choate's one sixty four. Chowed

854
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:13,760
Speaker 1: a very unique place in the twenty tens Marlins legacy.

855
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: So we have the batting average leaders revealed. What about

856
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 1: on base percentage? I already dropped the hint that Dee

857
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 1: Gordon did not do much outside of hits to get

858
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 1: on base, so you can already cross him off the

859
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 1: list as the OBP leader. But who do you think?

860
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Speaker 3: It is?

861
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: Someone that I'm sure you're very familiar with and has

862
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: gone on to get on base pretty well with his

863
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 1: new team. It is Christian Yelich three sixty nine OBP

864
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: during this decade, followed by Stanton at three sixty with Yelich,

865
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: you could see pretty early on how gifted he was

866
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 1: as an offensive player. The before we even popularized the

867
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 1: term exit velocity. He was able to get a lot

868
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,879
Speaker 1: of exit velocity on his bat and when he wasn't

869
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 1: getting good pitches to hit, great awareness of the strike zone.

870
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,720
Speaker 1: Those years with the Marlins, they cover his age twenty

871
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 1: one to twenty five, seasons before he even came into

872
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: his prime, and that's something that we've become very aware

873
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: of now that he's with the Brewers, where he's taken

874
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 1: the slugging to a next level. But this just goes

875
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: to show that the natural understanding of a played approach

876
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 1: that was always there with Yellowton that made him a

877
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: valuable player his first handful of years in the big leagues.

878
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 1: Next up is strikeouts. Total strikeouts by Marlins pitchers during

879
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,720
Speaker 1: the decade. The finish here was neck and neck between

880
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 1: the top two strikeout artists. They were teammates for several seasons,

881
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:52,320
Speaker 1: primarily in the Marlins rotation. A big contrast in styles

882
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: and stuff from the two of them, but nearly identical totals.

883
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:58,879
Speaker 1: So pad yourself on the back if you get either

884
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:02,720
Speaker 1: one the strikeout leader during the decade the late great

885
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 1: Jose Fernandez five hundred and eighty nine, and he did

886
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: that over just parts of four seasons and not a

887
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: single full full season at the major league level. Twenty

888
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 1: thirteen as a rookie superstar shortened a little bit to

889
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 1: protect his endings at the end of the year, twenty

890
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:25,439
Speaker 1: fourteen and twenty fifteen, both of those years abbreviated by

891
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: Tommy John surgery that happened in between, and then twenty

892
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: sixteen second to last weekend of the season, just as

893
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: he was really establishing himself as a superstar, the faithful

894
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: Bogue crash that took his life. Number two was Tom

895
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: Cohler five hundred and eighty six, just three strikeouts differentiating

896
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: them during the decade. Cohler, the league leader, the league leader,

897
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,359
Speaker 1: the franchise leader in a variety of counting stats during

898
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 1: the decade outside of strikeouts, made more starts at Marlins

899
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: Park than anybody else has, didn't have the overwhelming fastball

900
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 1: or super high swing and misrate, but though total almost

901
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: identical to Fernandez, a big part of the Marlins clubhouse

902
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:15,280
Speaker 1: during that move to a new ballpark, and currently still

903
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 1: trying to keep his pitching career alive, this time in

904
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 1: a relief role in the Pirates organization. How about complete games?

905
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 1: Complete games pitched by Marlins pitchers during the decade. If

906
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: you've been following baseball, you know that those have been

907
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: far and few between in recent years, definitely fading as

908
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: there's more emphasis on relievers and more consciousness about the

909
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 1: health of pitchers and trying to protect them from themselves.

910
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: So you can guess that the leader in Marlins complete

911
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:47,240
Speaker 1: games was not someone that is currently in the rotation,

912
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 1: which is so dependent on the young arms they have.

913
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 1: It's one of the more accomplished pitchers. The Marlins have

914
00:48:54,760 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 1: had Rickynlasko six complete games during the decade before moving on.

915
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 1: He's followed by Henderson Alvarez and Anibal Sanchez. Both of

916
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 1: those guys had four each, and Alparez is the one

917
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 1: that I'm still really infatuated with. It's so hard to

918
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:16,399
Speaker 1: believe that Henderson Alvarez is still in his twenties. Most

919
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: recently participated in the premiere twelve World Baseball World Cup

920
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:26,800
Speaker 1: thingy that was happening overseas and qualifying for the Olympics.

921
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 1: He's still an active pitcher professionally somewhat all of this

922
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 1: event was not sanctioned by Major League Baseball or anything

923
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: like that, and so he's still trying to hang around,

924
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 1: trying to make it back to the major league level.

925
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 1: And I think people forget just how good he was

926
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 1: early in his career because he didn't pitch quite as

927
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 1: many total endings as in Alasko or Sanchez did for

928
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 1: the Marlins. And yet when he was on top of

929
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 1: his game, so efficient, so efficient, and had so much

930
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:58,399
Speaker 1: control of the game all by himself. So really wish

931
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 1: him the best of luck and researching this was a

932
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 1: very refreshing blast from the past to see his name

933
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: so high up in that one category. A few more

934
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 1: offensive categories to touch on here for the decade. How

935
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 1: about pinch hits, total pinch hits coming off the bench

936
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 1: for the Marlins during the decade. So think guys that

937
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 1: were squeezed out of a starting role either because of

938
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:25,879
Speaker 1: their ability or their surrounding teammates, ones that had to

939
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:30,240
Speaker 1: make their living in those difficult situations, coming off cold

940
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: off the bench and trying to produce, And the answer

941
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: was by a pretty big margin over everybody else. The

942
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:40,280
Speaker 1: future Hall of Famer each Hero Suzuki fifty one Marlins

943
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 1: pinch hits during his three seasons. Greg Dobbs, Now that's

944
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 1: a name. Greg Dobbs had thirty two during the decade

945
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 1: as well, so he's only one that was anywhere in

946
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 1: the shouting distance from each row each iro. That first

947
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: year with the Marlins seemed like he might have nothing

948
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 1: left the tank, and then he really surprised people the

949
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: following year and of course ending up sticking around for

950
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: what was three seasons as a complimentary piece to what

951
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 1: was the best outfields in all of baseball. Here is

952
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 1: a really obscure one for you guys. Most games in

953
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 1: the cleanup spot for the Marlins. This is one obviously

954
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 1: outside of the players control. They don't make the lineups

955
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 1: most of these Don Mattingly's decision before that, Mike Redmond

956
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 1: asigien so things that the players can't control themselves. But

957
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 1: putting someone in the cleanup spot does, of course send

958
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 1: a certain message about how much you trust them as

959
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 1: a run producer. There's still certain stereotypes about cleanup hitters

960
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: that should help you narrow down the list. During these

961
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 1: ten seasons, who do you think started number four the

962
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 1: most of all? The answer Marcel Ozuna two hundred and

963
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:57,760
Speaker 1: forty one such games with the Marlins from twenty thirteen

964
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: to twenty seventeen, and I think the biggest share of

965
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 1: those were actually in his final Marlin season, where he

966
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,879
Speaker 1: was overshadowed by Stanton for obvious reasons. As Stanton went

967
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: on to win the MVP, lead the majors in home runs, etc.

968
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 1: Ozoom was almost as good, just an amazing run producer

969
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 1: as well, who racked up a lot of extra base

970
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 1: hits in that spot. If you're wondering who's next on

971
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 1: this list, the rest of the top five, Stanton was

972
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 1: number two, Justin Bohr was number three, Casey McGee, Casey

973
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:33,839
Speaker 1: McGee number four starts as a cleanup pitter, and then

974
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 1: Logan Morrison. Logan Morrison also with a few dozen starts

975
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:44,399
Speaker 1: in the cleanup spot during these years. Total saves by

976
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:49,320
Speaker 1: Marlin's relievers during the decade. Another one, like the cleanup spot,

977
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,879
Speaker 1: that is dictated by the manager. He has to put

978
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 1: you in a position to close out a game under

979
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 1: those conditions that make it a save opportunity. This one

980
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: extremely close, just as a couple of our previous categories

981
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: have been. As you currently know, the Marlins bullpen does

982
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 1: not have a lot of decorated relievers, so you can

983
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 1: rule that out. It's nobody actively with the team, but

984
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 1: the guy on top is still a major league pitcher. Actually,

985
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:19,799
Speaker 1: here's a big hint. He is a free agent this offseason,

986
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 1: so he is available again, and it would be interesting

987
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:25,839
Speaker 1: actually that the Marlins did pursue him, because he's had

988
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 1: some success since leaving the Marlins, although not as a closer.

989
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: Most of his closing experience came with the Marlins. It

990
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 1: is Steve Seeschek ninety four saves as a member of

991
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 1: the team before he was traded to the Cardinals and

992
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 1: then he ended up going to the Mariners and most

993
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: recently the Cubs. Right behind him ninety two saves aj Ramos,

994
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,280
Speaker 1: who at this moment I believe is still recovering from

995
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 1: a series of arm issues. But at the best of

996
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:59,359
Speaker 1: his powers, he had that really filthy breaking ball and

997
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 1: good enough fastball command. Didn't make it easy on anybody,

998
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:07,240
Speaker 1: with him a little prone to handing out free passes,

999
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 1: but by keeping the ball in the ballpark and with

1000
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 1: a pretty decent swing and missibility, WHI almost was successful

1001
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: most of the time. So the moral of that category,

1002
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 1: you could say is that the Marlins really didn't have

1003
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 1: any consistent shutdown relievers during this decade. Some that had

1004
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 1: their really bright seasons and good moments. There were segments

1005
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 1: of years where they had one of the deeper bullpens

1006
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 1: in the league, but never that one guy that you

1007
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 1: could really really count on to put games out of reach.

1008
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 1: And hopefully they'll be able to develop a few of

1009
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 1: those with their current crop of young pitching talent. The

1010
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 1: final quiz question here is a very particular one doesn't

1011
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: fall into the same categories of the others. Not looking

1012
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 1: for a leader in one categories, but trying to identify

1013
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: one player just based on a statistical accomplishment, the only

1014
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 1: Marlin during the decade that had a qualified season with

1015
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 1: more walks than strikeouts. That's becoming a true rarity in

1016
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 1: baseball in twenty nineteen and moving into the new decade

1017
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 1: as there are more swings to misses than ever. But

1018
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: so that should be a hint that this happened pretty

1019
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 1: early on in the decade where there was a qualified

1020
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: season of a Marlins hitter. So at least five hundred

1021
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 1: and two played appearances someone that was in their starting

1022
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 1: lineup for most of the year, and he won an

1023
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: entire season with more walks than strikeouts. I'll give you

1024
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:39,319
Speaker 1: a few more seconds to dwell on that. It is

1025
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 1: Jose Reyes in his lone Marlin season of twenty twelve,

1026
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:47,839
Speaker 1: sixty three walks, fifty six strikeouts, batting to the top

1027
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 1: of the Marlins lineup. He was durable for most of

1028
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:54,800
Speaker 1: the year. He was very excitable on the bases, played

1029
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 1: a steady shortstop position, one of the few bright spots

1030
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 1: from that Marlin season, and it's turned out to be

1031
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 1: his only year. Even though he had signed a six year,

1032
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 1: one hundred and six million dollars deal, he was dumped

1033
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:09,320
Speaker 1: to the Toronto Blue Jays as part of that mega

1034
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 1: twelve player trade, if I remember that correctly, and he

1035
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 1: had helped him validate that contract in his one Marlin

1036
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 1: season by being a really infectious offensive player at the

1037
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:28,400
Speaker 1: top of their lineup. As always, thank you for listening.

1038
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:30,399
Speaker 1: I hope at least a few of you found that

1039
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:34,279
Speaker 1: quiz to be amusing. I'd like to know your success rate.

1040
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 1: Get in touch with me on fish stripes on social

1041
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 1: media fishstripes dot com, on Twitter, at my personal account

1042
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 1: at real Eli let me know your score on those categories.

1043
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:49,359
Speaker 1: There were twelve categories you went through here, and there

1044
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 1: will be additional ones on the posting of this episode

1045
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 1: on the website. Also, take your early predictions about the

1046
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 1: twenty twenties. Who's going to play the most games for

1047
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 1: the Marlins is coming town, Who's going to steal the

1048
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 1: most bases, Who's going to get on base most, your

1049
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 1: strikeout leader. It's going to be an interesting combination. And

1050
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 1: you could see by the variety of players here that

1051
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 1: some of those won't even be possible to predict. Some

1052
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 1: of them will be traded, you would think to the

1053
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 1: Marlins at some point. Others picked up in free agency

1054
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 1: for unlikely roles or untraditional roles, and others are players

1055
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 1: within their own organization that will convert to different positions

1056
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 1: or learn different types of skill sets. You mentioned a

1057
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 1: lot of those names the people ten years ago and

1058
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 1: said how this player is going to factor into the

1059
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 1: next decade of Marlins teams. It would have been almost

1060
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 1: impossible to expect one way or the other. That's how

1061
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 1: this game goes sometimes, where it's not so much about

1062
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 1: being able to identify particular superstar players, but just getting

1063
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 1: a lot of good talent for the right roles at

1064
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 1: the right time, and then benefiting from those players production

1065
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 1: and them really fit into the team's culture moving forward.

1066
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 1: And that's what we look forward to with this Marlon

1067
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 1: team is seeing if these new decision makers that they

1068
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 1: have in place right now are able to put this

1069
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 1: whole thing together in a productive way and find the

1070
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 1: individual players that will be remembering forever. More fish bites

1071
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 1: coming at you again next week and the week after

1072
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 1: that and the rest of the off season as we

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Speaker 1: finish out this decade of Marlins baseball. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: finishing it out with us. I'm Eli Sussman. Go Fish.