1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Welcome 2 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 1: back to the show, ladies and gentlemen. As always, thank 3 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 1: you so much for tuning in. It is a lovely, 4 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: slightly gloomy uh Monday morning here Monday morning ish uh 5 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: in Atlanta, Georgia. And it looks like I am wearing 6 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: a hat and my co host Knoll is wearing a 7 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: hat as well. It's true, Ben, I am wearing a hat, 8 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: alas it is not bedazzled or adorned with any like 9 00:00:56,280 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: fruit or or vegetable items, or any kind of perhaps 10 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: brightly colored feathers, or even entire taxidermy chickens. Because that's 11 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 1: the thing. Yes, neither of our hats contain weapons. If 12 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,839 Speaker 1: you could see the Zoom call today, that would probably 13 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: be your first question. You would be like, Ben, why 14 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 1: don't you have a knife of some sort in your hats? 15 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: Or maybe a tiny gun disguised as fruit. Or you 16 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: might even ask why is super producer Casey Pegram not 17 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 1: wearing a hat? And Uh, I think it's because you 18 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: know you and I figured this out a number of 19 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: years ago. Uh, Casey, You're not really a hat guy. 20 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:42,559 Speaker 1: That is true. Although I get compliments when I do 21 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 1: down a hat. Well, you have that one amazing hat, 22 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: Casey that just says movies. If I'm not mistaken, it 23 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: is the hat that says movies, that is correct, Casey. 24 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: On the case you need one good hat exactly that'll 25 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: that'll last me. Yeah, yeah, that's all it takes sometimes, 26 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: you know, and I want to verify really quickly. I 27 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: know we we seem too oddly pivoted from me having 28 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: all these extra koutre monts in my imaginary hat to 29 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:10,359 Speaker 1: Ben talking about weapons. There's a there's a crossover here 30 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: between these. See the weapons in question for today's story. 31 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: We're actually very functional and would have been used to 32 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: hold in place some of the koutrama, the aforementioned a kudrama, 33 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 1: which you know, got more and more absurd, as you 34 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 1: know fashion tends to do. Of the time. We're talking 35 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: about the turn of the twentieth century women's style. It 36 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 1: was all the rage to have big massive hair uh 37 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 1: and and big huge hats that were kind of part 38 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: of the hair do. They were sort of like almost 39 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:39,359 Speaker 1: woven in. They were like almost one and the same, 40 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: this kind of like mega headdress thing of you know, 41 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 1: organic hair and weird little props um. And in order 42 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: to keep all of stuff from just totally falling into 43 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: the uh, the assumedly disgusting, filthy sidewalks of the time, 44 00:02:55,320 --> 00:03:00,079 Speaker 1: women needed to enlist the help of these giant needle. 45 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: Uh you get your hat pin, and my mind immediately 46 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: goes to let hairpin. Not the same at all, my friends, 47 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: A hat pin was a twelve inch long, very very 48 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: very pointy needle. Yeah, that's right now for listeners in 49 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 1: the southern part of the United States, these really big 50 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: ostentatious hats maybe associated with church services, particularly the big 51 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: ticket services like Easter, right, But back in the day, 52 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: these big, big hats were a big, big deal, and 53 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: they were much more common. There was also a social 54 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: change occurring at the turn of the twentieth century. For 55 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: the first time, at least in modern history, women were 56 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: socializing on their own. They were strolling sidewalks without without backup, 57 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: without a chaperone, and there they encountered what the author 58 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: of Men to Floss article calls a new peril, street harassment. 59 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: And so, in a very innovative way, fashion started becoming 60 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: a matter of defense as well as a sartorial matter, 61 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 1: and so in newspapers throughout the land. You began seeing 62 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 1: these stories that had a common thread, or I would 63 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: say a common underpinning, common hatpinning. Well, you get where 64 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: we're going. There were multiple stories of women defending themselves 65 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: from rapscallions, Dan Sickle esque scoundrels with hat pins. It's 66 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 1: a new one on me. Ben dan Sickle asked, all right, 67 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I thought that was just one word. You're 68 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: you're referring to a previous uh lothario of of of 69 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: ridiculous history. Law check that one out if you missed it. Um, Yeah, 70 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:52,280 Speaker 1: it's true, there's a there's a word. We're gonna get 71 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: into a little more of the the etomology behind or 72 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: the atomology. But when it came into fashion, referring to 73 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: these men, these aggressively flour tacious, entitled men, the types 74 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: that we would have talked about in our wolf Whistling 75 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: episode as mashers. I love this term. I mean, it's obviously, 76 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: you know, referring to something very awful and uh and misogynists. 77 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: But just the word mashers is funny to me. Um, 78 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: But yeah, it's true. It was the turn of the 79 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: twentieth century. Women were aligning with one another to petition 80 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 1: for the right to vote. A lot of these women. 81 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 1: We talked about that issue very recently too. We're in 82 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 1: heavily populated, dense urban areas, uh, and there were a 83 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 1: lot of there was a lot of wealth. There was 84 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: a lot of alsap poverty, but there was a lot 85 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: of ridiculous wealth. And and these hats in their you know, 86 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: heights were almost the flex of one's wealth. Um. So 87 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: women you know, who had been relegated to the home 88 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:50,359 Speaker 1: before that worse out now taking public transportation or taking 89 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: walks alone at night, like you said. And the men 90 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: who at the time were not used to seeing women out. 91 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: And we're also you know, living in a very patriarchal 92 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: this siety where they felt entitled to hoot and holler 93 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 1: and wolf whistle and even you know, paw on on 94 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: women if they if they wanted to. Uh. They started 95 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: to act accordingly, um in in their kind of doggedly way, 96 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: and they started to you know, kind of aggressively flirt 97 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: with these unescorted women. So this became a problem, a 98 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:28,840 Speaker 1: real problem, because there's a fine line between just aggressive 99 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 1: wolf whistling and hollering and maybe a little you know 100 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 1: pawing to full on sexual assault. Yeah, I would say 101 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 1: it's all harassments. Um. To me, flirting always felt like 102 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: there was some reciprocation there. Uh, you're right though. Uh. 103 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: There's an author named Carrie Segrave who wrote a book 104 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:51,479 Speaker 1: called The hat Pin Menace American Women, Armed and Fashionable 105 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 1: eighteen eighty seven through nineteen twenty, and this author says 106 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:59,359 Speaker 1: that because of the factors that my co host just described, 107 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:02,840 Speaker 1: for perhaps the only time in American history, virtually all 108 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: American women went out and about armed with a deadly 109 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: though legal weapon, that Hatpin. Well. One note about cat calling, right, 110 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: which is just the very low end of what these 111 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: masters were doing. Cat calling never seemed like it worked 112 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: to me. I never get it. We mentioned this in 113 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: the wolf Whistle episode, but cat calling in general doesn't 114 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: seem to It seems more, uh, an expression of power 115 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: and harassment than it does a genuine attempt to begin 116 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: a romantic liaison. The masters took it further than that. 117 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: They didn't just cat call. Uh. They were opportunists. So 118 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: if they saw a woman unaccompanied in a sparsely populated 119 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: part of town, like a dark alley or what have you, 120 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: they would feel entitled to grab a woman's arm and 121 00:07:56,160 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: then try to ask this person and to go with 122 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: him to a secondary location, etcetera. Uh, this granted truth 123 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 1: In nineteen fourteen put it this way, saying the masha 124 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: took a ladies on, the master took liberties. The masha might, 125 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: with the slightest provocation take advantage he approached a woman 126 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: he did not know to ask her to a dance, 127 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: or to ask if he hadn't met her somewhere before. 128 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: And then it went on to call the master a 129 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: cad and a coward and saying, you know, these guys 130 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: realize the only way an unaccompanied woman can express her 131 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: resentment is by ignoring them. Turns out, luckily that wasn't 132 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: the case. You could take it a step further if 133 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 1: you had the right kind of hat and the right 134 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:42,679 Speaker 1: kind of pin you to be fair, I mean, the 135 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 1: press was on the side of these of the women 136 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,199 Speaker 1: and and and their rights to kind of go. I 137 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: mean there were certainly politicians and you know, outspoken male 138 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: members of the community that we're not in favor of this. 139 00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: But the newspapers started to report these encounters with mash, 140 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: which was kind of a slang for this, like lecherous 141 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: and predatory male lithario, you know, with the entitlement and 142 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 1: all that. So it definitely wasn't like okay, you know, 143 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: um at all, at least in the press's eyes. Uh. 144 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: And in Theodore Dreiser's Sister Carrie, which was a novel 145 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:19,959 Speaker 1: at the time, the master has described as one whose 146 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 1: dress or manners are calculated to uh elicit the admiration 147 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:28,959 Speaker 1: of susceptible young women. So it's almost like, uh, what 148 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: you might refer to today as a boy or a 149 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:38,319 Speaker 1: rake or a peacock in the world of the n 150 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: LP type uh pick up artist guys peacocking is exactly 151 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:46,839 Speaker 1: what they're describing here. Uh we we I like where 152 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: we're going with this, because we know that the press 153 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 1: was on on the side of these victims, but they 154 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: were they were patronizing, and they were condescending about it. 155 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: They also give us documentation women fighting back. Before the 156 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 1: Rise of the hat Pin. There was a lady in 157 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 1: Chicago who was so bothered by a master's quote insulting 158 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: questions that she beat this out of him in the 159 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: face with an umbrella until he staggered away, hopefully learning 160 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: from his his terrible behavior. One would hope and also 161 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 1: just a little detail here about that encounter. It was 162 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: a show girl, um who likely was either on her 163 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 1: way to or from work and possibly you know, wearing 164 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: some of her show girl attire, and that even more 165 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: in the mind of a master would have been like, oh, 166 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: this is this girl is just asking for it, you know, 167 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: all that ridiculous logic. And the press really did kind 168 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 1: of glom onto this is almost like a oh, like 169 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: a vigilante kind of thing, where, um, the stories kept 170 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: being reported more and more, and the tone of the 171 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: reporting was very much in favor of the women and 172 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: uh kind of like raised them up as kind of 173 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: heroes within the community, you know, fighting back in against 174 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 1: these uh, these villainous men um, which was kind of 175 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 1: unusual at the time. A lot of times the press 176 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 1: sort of took the side of like the the the 177 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: popular more's and you know, this being a relatively new 178 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: thing of women kind of venturing out. I think it's 179 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: pretty interesting that the press uh so quickly kind of 180 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: realized that this was an important thing to cover and 181 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: actually took the side uh and the cause of the 182 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: women being harassed victim blame in the media, you don't say, 183 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: well exactly, but That's why. That's the thing. That's why 184 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: I'm surprised, especially at the time. I would have thought 185 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: maybe the media would have been more victim blamey, but 186 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: instead it starts to really mark a transition in the 187 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: way that this kind of stuff is viewed slowly from 188 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 1: this kind of housewife mentality of you know, this whole 189 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: whatever American dream thing with like women staying at home 190 00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: with the kids and the dog and all that, and 191 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: having dinner prepared aired for the man when he comes 192 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: home from his work with his briefcase and slippers and 193 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:08,079 Speaker 1: newspaper bungling all this up. But you get the image. Uh, 194 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: and it really started advocating for female independence. Um. And 195 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: I think that's really important thing to to note here. Um, 196 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: working women and women who are advocating for suffrage started 197 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: to really kind of be able to steer the conversation 198 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: and we're able to really let the world know about 199 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 1: the plight of of women out in the world, you know, 200 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: against these these entitled masher dudes. Yeah, this is this 201 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: is an interesting point. So this goes back to what 202 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: I was saying earlier. There is a Again, nothing occurs 203 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: in a vacuum. There is a paradigm shift here, a 204 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: cultural shift. Moray's and values are changing. Dating is changing. 205 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: So back in the day, in polite society, a man 206 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: would a gentleman, of course, would call on upon a 207 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 1: family home and interval woman's parlor, a gentleman caller, and 208 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 1: they would have a polite conversation on events of the day, 209 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: under the close eye of parents or an answer or 210 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 1: another authority figure. But now it was different. Now the 211 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: gentleman would still call, but say may I escort you 212 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 1: to a show hall or a dance hall. And people 213 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: were clutching their pearls and ringing their monocles about this, 214 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 1: because then you couldn't control the kind of social company 215 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 1: people kept. This could be a recipe for iniquity and evil. 216 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 1: The suffragists fully rejected this notion, uh. And they also said, look, 217 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 1: you shouldn't be blaming women for being harassed. You shouldn't 218 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:54,319 Speaker 1: say that women have to dress as modestly as possible 219 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 1: and that it's their fault if they get harassed. The 220 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: problem isn't us, they said, The problem is the quote, 221 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: the vileness of the masher mind. The masher mind. The 222 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: funny thing has been the things you're describing here. These 223 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 1: things still happen today, the idea of you were asking 224 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:13,959 Speaker 1: for it, you were dressing in such a way, the 225 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 1: victim blaming nous and I mean we have we've come 226 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: a long way, but not so far. Think yeah, but again, 227 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 1: you know, women are in between rock and a hard place. Uh, 228 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: society isn't really on their side in many cases. And 229 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 1: uh the suffragists are doing their best to counteract that 230 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: usual condescending, shame on you type narrative. But there's a 231 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: legal problem here too, because let's say you want to 232 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 1: protect yourself and you're like, hey, I'm I'm a I'm 233 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: a young woman of means. In the United States, the 234 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: land of the Second Amendment, why can't I just start 235 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: packing heat? At the time, especially in Chicago, it was 236 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: against the law to have a concealed firearm, not just 237 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: for women, right, like for anyone right. And it was 238 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: legal to carry most knives. What's a gal to do? 239 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: And she's being mashed left and right? Well here come, 240 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: you know. It's just a matter of being thrifty and 241 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 1: using what you have around you at your disposal. The 242 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 1: hatpin wasn't employed as a weapon. It was initially a 243 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 1: very functional item that was used to kind of pin 244 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: all of this stacked crazy stuff together. The women of 245 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: the time we're wearing on their heads not all, but 246 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: but many um. And it was just a matter of 247 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: one quick thinking woman pulling that thing out and using 248 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 1: it to to skewer a masher. So before we get 249 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: into the kind of real origin story, the real you know, 250 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: young Bruce Wayne seeing his mom and dad gunned down 251 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 1: by the Joker or whatever or Jack. When I forget 252 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: how that story actually goes, Um, we need to talk 253 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 1: a little bit about the history of this evolving kind 254 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 1: of by today's standards, bizarre fashion choice of wearing these 255 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: massive hats that required these deadly uh needle like hat 256 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 1: pins to to kind of stitch together, right, And that 257 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: all began in the late eighteen fifties, Um, when women, 258 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 1: especially in summer, would wear these straw hats. They needed 259 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: to keep them on their head so they wouldn't get 260 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: blown away by the wind. Um. And the hat pin 261 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: was employed to do that because it had to literally 262 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: skewer it kind of through from the back um and 263 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: the hat. You know, obviously as a porous material, you 264 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: can stick the pin through there without like damaging the hat. 265 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: And then that would keep women's hats from blowing off. 266 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 1: And initially these pins didn't need to be super long 267 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: because they were just used to hold a single hat 268 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: onto a single head, so you might secure it, you know, 269 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: in a couple of places with a smaller pin um 270 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 1: and then you were all set. But as the hats 271 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: changed and the styles changed, the pins had to you know, 272 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: evolve along with the time. Right, yeah, I would see. 273 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: I would say, there are two things here. So if 274 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 1: we don't look at the social perils of the time, 275 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 1: we see a pretty common trend, which is something starts 276 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 1: off functional and then becomes fashion. It becomes a an 277 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:21,360 Speaker 1: aesthetic statement. That's kind of what happened with the hat pin. Uh. 278 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 1: It went from just being something to hold something in 279 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 1: place to something that was seen and displayed and became 280 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:32,199 Speaker 1: part of the whole vibe, the hat vibe. But we 281 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 1: notice around the eighteen nineties, just a few years before 282 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:41,160 Speaker 1: the eighteen nineties, we start seeing the hat pin transform, 283 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:45,199 Speaker 1: not just on an aesthetic level, but on a functional level. Folks, 284 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: when we say hat pins, just so, uh, just so 285 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: you have the picture in your mind. We're not talking 286 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 1: about a thumbtack. We're not talking about a pushpin. We're 287 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: talking about something something that's more like around a ten 288 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 1: inch to one foot law needle. Like it's it's it's dangerous. 289 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: It's a poke a rizer for anybody who is a 290 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 1: fan of the stand and catches that deep gut reference 291 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 1: or or if you think of Aria stark sword in 292 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 1: Game of Thrones that was actually called needle. Uh, it 293 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: would be something that you could wield like that. You 294 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:19,880 Speaker 1: could absolutely stick someone with the pointy end of this 295 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 1: and it do some serious damage. Oh yeah, I'm saying 296 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 1: poke a riser because I like the word poke riser. 297 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: But the poke risers actually a gun and a word 298 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 1: a character makes up to describe them killing gas station employees. 299 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 1: But yes, you would poke rize. You could be pokerized 300 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: by one of these, no doubt. And by the early DS, 301 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:42,919 Speaker 1: what once it was a very functional, lightweight kind of 302 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 1: straw hat to keep the sun out of a woman's 303 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 1: eyes had really mutated into these towering bizarro you know, 304 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: tafoda ribbon, you know silk things. Sometimes they were had, 305 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 1: they had like feathers, even fruits. It makes me think 306 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 1: of that that very famous Latin singer and movie star 307 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: Carmen Miranda, who believe the Chaquida banana woman was based 308 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 1: on But I might just be making that up, but 309 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 1: it really was in fashion, and so these shorter hatpins 310 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:13,439 Speaker 1: weren't going to do the trick anymore. Not to mention 311 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:16,120 Speaker 1: that the longer hat pins, uh, and the hair stack 312 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: and this is all kind of like stitched together with 313 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 1: the hair and the hats and the ribbons all kind 314 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: of one thing. You had to have longer hatpins. They 315 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: would be between ten and twelve inches, like we were saying, 316 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 1: not to mention the stem alone, like the part that 317 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:30,959 Speaker 1: you hold to stick the pin in, sometimes were several 318 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 1: inches long on their own, and they were adorned with 319 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:37,119 Speaker 1: jewels or whatever like they were like actually absolutely the 320 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 1: part would be sticking out would be an extra little accessory. 321 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: Depending on your economic state, if you were more in 322 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 1: the working class, then you're probably gonna have something a 323 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:52,879 Speaker 1: little more functional, a little less or date. But like 324 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: you would have maybe a pin with a white or 325 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: black bead a top it. But they become much more 326 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 1: suffic sticated, showy and expensive from there. This is a 327 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: global trend. We're mainly talking about the US, but these 328 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 1: hat pins are popular in Europe, Australia, New Zealand as well. 329 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 1: Most everybody is where it has and hat pins, So 330 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: it's not unusual to be loved by anyone. I'm kidding, 331 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 1: It's not unusual to have a hat pin if you're 332 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:30,120 Speaker 1: walking around. And originally people were just getting maybe accidentally 333 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: injured every now and then. You're on a crowded train, 334 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,640 Speaker 1: et cetera. Uh, and you get poked with a hat 335 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: pin in the in the mash of the crowd. And 336 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: there's an interesting thing about masters that will will mention 337 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: towards the end here that doesn't take place in the US. 338 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 1: So people quickly realized this was a way to immediately 339 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 1: punish these undesirable mashers. You just pulled the pin. You 340 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:00,119 Speaker 1: literally pulled the pin on them, and the wounds that 341 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 1: people would get from these pins were described by the 342 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: Times as not serious, but very painful. And then we 343 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 1: enter into these human interest stories. Now we pulled a 344 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 1: couple of examples of actual hat pin retaliations, but we 345 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:22,640 Speaker 1: want you to know there are many, many more. These 346 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 1: kinds of human interest stories were very common in newspapers 347 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: of the day. What say we start with Sadie Williams 348 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: versus the cable car robber in eight as this trend begins. Yeah, 349 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 1: to me, this is that kind of origin story, And 350 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: I think a perfect place to start, because this is 351 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,439 Speaker 1: really right on the cusp of when the hats started 352 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 1: getting insane and the hairpins started getting longer. This was 353 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 1: an eighteen UM and it was a rainy morning in Chicago. 354 00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: Sadie Williams was getting on the Blue Island Avenue cable 355 00:21:55,840 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 1: car heading to a funeral, understandably decked out in her 356 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: most elaborate funereal head regalia. Uh. And the car, it 357 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:07,880 Speaker 1: was early in the morning, was empty except for her, 358 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: another woman, and the conductor, so she decided to sit 359 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: near the back and get comfortable for a trip up 360 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:18,880 Speaker 1: to Street and California Avenue. UM. A couple stops down, 361 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 1: two men boarded the car, and these were coal powered 362 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 1: cars pick cable cars, by the way, So the conductor 363 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:29,360 Speaker 1: bent down to shovel a little more coal into the burner. 364 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: One of the new arrivals to the car went over 365 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 1: and actually restrained the conductor and started to rob him, 366 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: dig dig through his pockets, and the conductor was struggling 367 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:46,120 Speaker 1: to get free, but to no avail. Yeah, this story 368 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:50,160 Speaker 1: is a little bit different because they're not mashing on 369 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 1: the victims. Sadie Williams is actually more like a street 370 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 1: level superhero in a Netflix series. So here's what Sadie does. Uh. 371 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 1: She says, hey, see here, you can't fight here, and 372 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 1: then one of the men slaps her down and pushes 373 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 1: her into a seat nearby. But she doesn't take that 374 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:12,199 Speaker 1: line down. She quickly pops back up again. She raises 375 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 1: her hand to her hat. Picture the moment Casey we 376 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 1: nead some superhero music. She pulls out this pin. It's long, 377 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: gets one of those foot long ones, and then she 378 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: holds it like a dagger and she plunges the pin 379 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:28,680 Speaker 1: straight into the guy's chest. She stabs the snot out 380 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: of him. Uh, and she doesn't stop him from escaping 381 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: the Robert freaks out, decides that he'll live to fight 382 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 1: and rob conductors another day, and he runs away. So 383 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 1: Sadie isn't technically successful, right, but she does fight these 384 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 1: near dwells off and she does help start a revolution. Later, 385 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,640 Speaker 1: someone asked the conductor over at the Blue Island Avenue 386 00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 1: cable car about the events about Sadie will Him is 387 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 1: coming to his a and he says, if it hadn't 388 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,159 Speaker 1: been for the bravery of that woman, they would have 389 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: robbed me. She put up a better fight than a 390 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,880 Speaker 1: good many men would. The way she jabbed her hatpin 391 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: into that man was a great sight. There's no doubt 392 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 1: about her pluck. I missed that we used to describe 393 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,120 Speaker 1: people as plucky and say they have pluck. I still 394 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 1: say I like plucky. I'm a huge fan of plucky. Uh. 395 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 1: And then this really started to spread. Only a couple 396 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: of years later. Teddy Roosevelt himself, the President, was rescued 397 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: by what was referred to as a hat pin brigade 398 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 1: when he was visiting Manhattan, Kansas and the fall of 399 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 1: nineteen hundred. Uh. He was not the president at this point. 400 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 1: He was then the governor of New York. He was 401 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 1: visited by a large crowd who were there to hear 402 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:46,160 Speaker 1: him speak. Um. And then men began kind of climbing 403 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: over the rails to get a better look uh, in 404 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,160 Speaker 1: blocking the women's view. UM. And the women were yelling 405 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,400 Speaker 1: they wanted to hear, you know, they wanted to see 406 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: as well. Uh. And the man, of course, and typical 407 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,880 Speaker 1: gross manly fashion, refused to do what they were being asked, 408 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,639 Speaker 1: refused to get down, continued to block the view, and 409 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: then a rallying cry came from one woman who had 410 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: absolutely had it, saying, try your hat pins, at which 411 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 1: point several women you know, pulled out their their hair 412 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: swords as I'm going to refer to them from here forth, uh, 413 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: and started to come at the men. Uh, who then 414 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 1: you know, pretty quickly fled. The women had won the day, 415 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:26,160 Speaker 1: and Roosevelt appreciated it because he was kind of getting 416 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: stressed out by this kind of behavior too, He said, 417 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 1: he appreciated heartily this exhibition of strenuous life. For no man, 418 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 1: however courageous he maybe likes to face a resolute woman 419 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 1: with a hat pin in her hand. That's the kind 420 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 1: of publicity you just can't buy. If I were a 421 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: hat pin tycoon or manufacturer at this time, I would 422 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: be over the moon. I would be over the brim, 423 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 1: I should say. There. It is another example Leodi Blaker 424 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,640 Speaker 1: and the stagecoach Masher three. Just a few years later. 425 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,880 Speaker 1: It's May twenty eight the afternoon. The ot is a 426 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:05,919 Speaker 1: young Kansas resident touring the Big Apple. She hops on 427 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,160 Speaker 1: a Fifth Avenue stage coach at twenty three Street settles 428 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:13,439 Speaker 1: in for the ride, no doubt, amazed by the sights 429 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 1: and sounds, and like most people visiting New York for 430 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 1: the first time, weirded out by the smells. Isn't a 431 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 1: weird Every block in New York City has a radically 432 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 1: different smell. It always gets to me anyway, it's it's 433 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: the big Apple. Still, the coach is very crowded, and 434 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,880 Speaker 1: when it jostles, she notices that this guy, the stranger 435 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 1: who's sitting next to her. Every time there's a jostle, 436 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 1: student like tries to be slick. He scoots an inch 437 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 1: closer to Blaker. So she's looking at this guy. She's 438 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 1: profiling him. She's given him what always Sunny would call 439 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:54,920 Speaker 1: an ocular assessment, says elderly, elegantly dressed, benevolent looking horse 440 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 1: picks up speed, tosses the passengers around again. And now 441 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 1: the man is so close that he's touching her hip 442 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: to hip, shoulder to shoulder. And then, folks, he does 443 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 1: that date move. You guys can see it. Zoom, you 444 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about, old yeah, and stretch. Let 445 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 1: me just drape my arm over this young lady. Classic move. Uh. 446 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 1: But then when he looked at his arm, and he draped. 447 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 1: He began to kind of like, you know, go in 448 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: for the second base kind of situation, um, going low 449 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,679 Speaker 1: across her back. Uh. She was done, and she reached 450 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,640 Speaker 1: for her hat pin, which was nearly a foot long, 451 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: and just crap, this is like something out of like 452 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 1: the Sopranos or something, and just jammed it into the 453 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: meaty part of the guy's arm. Uh, at which point 454 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 1: he let out a terrible shriek uh and ran off 455 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:49,880 Speaker 1: of the coach at the next available stop. Um. And 456 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 1: she even said to New York World, he was such 457 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,160 Speaker 1: a nice looking old gentleman. I was sorry to hurt him. 458 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 1: I've heard about Broadway masters and l masters, but I 459 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 1: didn't know Fifth Avenue had a particular brand of its own. 460 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 1: See that that's just a distinction. There is like she's 461 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 1: talking about the lower, you know, parts of town, but 462 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,479 Speaker 1: Fifth Avenue to think that there would be, you know, 463 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,120 Speaker 1: a more upscale masher. But yeah, it takes all kinds. 464 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,880 Speaker 1: If New York women will tolerate mashing, Kansas girls will 465 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 1: not boom go Kansas. So this seems pretty inspiring, right, 466 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: And you can picture millions of people around the country 467 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 1: reading these stories and feeling empowered in a way. However, 468 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 1: the mass media of the time was somewhat fickle and 469 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: certainly was not known for consistently giving women their due. 470 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 1: Critics arose because the well actually crowd has well actually 471 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 1: existed way before Twitter. So there were critics who came forward, 472 00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 1: uh and said, hey, this trend is not that great, 473 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, it's hashtag not all men. Uh. 474 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 1: Some of these guys are completely innocent. They're not mashers. 475 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 1: They're being attacked, and they didn't do anything wrong. There 476 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 1: was a story in an excellent Smithsonian article about a 477 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 1: girl in Scranton who is nineteen years old who was 478 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 1: just playing with her hat pin and thrust it at 479 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 1: her boyfriend and apparently pierced his heart fatally. It doesn't 480 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 1: sound like playing around that. That does sound like stabbing 481 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: someone in the chest. That is exactly what that sounds like. 482 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 1: Sticking with the pointy end indeed, I mean, because this 483 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 1: is starting to, you know, go from a single kind 484 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: of vigilante woman attacking her attacker back, you know, turning 485 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 1: the tables, to something starting to resemble a bit more 486 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 1: of a mob, you know, I mean, it's and not 487 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 1: I'm not making any excuses for anything or anybody here. 488 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: I just I'm trying to see both sides a little bit. 489 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 1: But in New York, you had a hundred female factory workers, 490 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 1: all wielding the weapon of choice at the time, the 491 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 1: hat pen, attacking police officers who arrested two of their 492 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: uh you know, comrades. I guess you could call them, 493 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 1: uh for allegedly being anarchists, um, during speeches where they 494 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 1: were trying to organize. So it's it's it's a tough one, 495 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: right because it's like, yeah, the police, I'm sure we're 496 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 1: acting way above and beyond uh their authority and and 497 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 1: and over overstepping and arresting people for just making speeches. 498 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 1: But it's also not the best look when you're literally 499 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: attacking the police with you know, swords, um. So you know, 500 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 1: when you start attacking police officers, it it definitely does 501 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: color the public perception of things a little bit, especially 502 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 1: in these days. Um. Quote we look for the new 503 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 1: and imported Colts hat pen, when newspaper said at the time, 504 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 1: or the Smith and Wesson quick action pen. So they 505 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 1: really were starting to equate them to like rifles or handguns, 506 00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 1: because as we remember it was harder to get your 507 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 1: hands on guns and much more against the law, and 508 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 1: knives as well have these regulations. So pins are kind 509 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 1: of a loophole, and people are pushing that loophole. Things 510 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 1: start to get crazy. Folks. We're talking about people having 511 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 1: hatpin duels in the street. I picture it kind of 512 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 1: like a Wild West vibe, but you know, with very 513 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 1: big hats and people hold their hands up and then 514 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 1: they count, they draw their pins and they go at it. 515 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 1: But there was a twenty minute hatpin duel in Lake Forest. 516 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 1: Both of the people involved in the duel we're using 517 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 1: hatpins as weapons. There were also other countless uh anecdotes 518 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 1: about this, and eventually the law catches up by people 519 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 1: are panicking about hatpins in the US and abroad. So 520 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 1: lawmakers in Kansas City, lawmakers in Hamburg, Paris, and of 521 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 1: course Chicago start writing laws that say, this is my 522 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 1: favorite part of this, writing laws that limit the length 523 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 1: of the happens that makes sense, but also demanding that 524 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 1: these things get scabbards. They're basically saying, look, these are 525 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,760 Speaker 1: head machetees. You're walking around with a head machete and 526 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 1: you need to sheath that quicken into hurry, wait a minute, now, 527 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 1: let's be fair though, the hair and the hat is 528 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 1: kind of the scabbard. Just putting that out there, you're 529 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 1: literally drawing it from your head. So how how how 530 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 1: are they actually going to function as they're meant to 531 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 1: if you have them inside of a sheath. I think 532 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 1: that's where I think that's where Johnny Law eventually said, Look, 533 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 1: these are swords. You have headswords, you have head machetees. Uh. 534 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 1: If you have a hatpin more than nine inches long, 535 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 1: for example, in Chicago, then you're going to be fined 536 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 1: fifty dollars, which is, you know, nothing to sneeze at 537 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 1: at that time. Definitely not. And it's interesting how early 538 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 1: some of this, uh, some of these uh more controversial, 539 00:32:56,040 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 1: less freedom fighter kind of instances of hat pin um 540 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 1: wielding took place in a Parisian tourist Bartholomew brand Brandoner 541 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 1: was murdered with a hat pin when he was visiting Chicago. 542 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 1: It was a quote to the quote the coverage of 543 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 1: it at the time, a small puncture which began near 544 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 1: the corner of the left eye and expanded far into 545 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 1: the interior of the skull. Uh. And there were no 546 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 1: details really beyond that about you know what led to this, 547 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 1: but it was something that that started this public opinion 548 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 1: kind of spiraling out of control. Where the coverage initially 549 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,480 Speaker 1: was good on you ladies for taking care of yourself 550 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 1: and and and fighting back against the master menace. Then 551 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 1: it flipped to becoming the hat pen menace or ben 552 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,719 Speaker 1: as you said off Mike, Uh, the hat pin peril, 553 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 1: which feels like a kind of a weird flip on 554 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,720 Speaker 1: zoot Suit Riot. Yes, yeah, yeah, working on the sequel 555 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:58,720 Speaker 1: lyrics now. So eventually hat pins go on trial. There's 556 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:02,200 Speaker 1: a lady named Nan David. She's the daughter of a 557 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 1: Chicago steel manufacturer, and she's familiar with this because she 558 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,919 Speaker 1: takes classes downtown late at night. She hates that they're 559 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,000 Speaker 1: changing the hatpin law because she feels like it's leaving 560 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 1: innocent people with no means to defend themselves. So she 561 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,360 Speaker 1: writes a missive to the mayor and the city council 562 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:25,400 Speaker 1: and she says, please change the law back uh. In 563 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 1: her letters, she says, a hat pin is a woman's 564 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 1: weapon of defense. I always feel safe going home at 565 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 1: night with a hatpin available for protection. Before leaving a 566 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 1: street car, I always carry a hat pin ready in 567 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,319 Speaker 1: my hand until I am safe within the door of 568 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 1: my house. Thousands of other women undoubtedly can speak from 569 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 1: their experience of how a stout hat pin has been 570 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:52,279 Speaker 1: an affected defense in times of danger. And so this 571 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,640 Speaker 1: is like you see this in the modern day now right, Uh, 572 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 1: there will be a city council meeting. Their city council 573 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:02,879 Speaker 1: meetings are often not very well attended, but every once 574 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 1: in a while they start to address a huge cultural 575 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 1: issue and then the room gets packed. That's what happens here, 576 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 1: and the proceedings for how long happened should be in 577 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 1: Chicago and whether they need a sheath. Uh, there are 578 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:20,040 Speaker 1: tons of looky lose men and women, all kinds of 579 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 1: different views about it. They're crowding into the room, and uh, 580 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 1: one supporter says, I love this. When one supporter says, 581 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 1: if women care to wear carrots and roosters on their heads, 582 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 1: that's a matter of their own concern, but when it 583 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:39,320 Speaker 1: comes to wearing swords, they must be stopped. But unfortunately, 584 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 1: you know, despite NaN's very um passionate speech um in 585 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 1: representing women's rights and their rights specifically to defend themselves, 586 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,760 Speaker 1: the ordinance did pass by a vote of a very 587 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,400 Speaker 1: strong majority of six to two UM. And then this 588 00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,440 Speaker 1: kind of led to a landslide of other laws passing 589 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:03,960 Speaker 1: like this all across the country, places like Milwaukee, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, 590 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,360 Speaker 1: New Orleans. Then it made its way internationally because this 591 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 1: was after all, kind of an international phenomenon. Sydney, Australia 592 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,839 Speaker 1: had an event where sixty women were imprisoned rather than 593 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:22,719 Speaker 1: paying fines for wearing these quote murderous weapons in their hats. Um. 594 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 1: And then a lot of women in London who were 595 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,799 Speaker 1: considered to be the more conservative side, uh, they refused 596 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 1: to buy what was referred to then as hat point 597 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 1: hat pin point protectors. So essentially, I mean there was 598 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:39,080 Speaker 1: there was pretty widespread protest after these these laws, these 599 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:43,760 Speaker 1: ordinances and and subsequent laws were passed. And there's some Uh. 600 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,240 Speaker 1: Harriet Stanton Blatch, who was the daughter of Elizabeth Katie Stanton, 601 00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,840 Speaker 1: who was one of the most prominent figures in the 602 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,080 Speaker 1: women's suffrage movement, had this to say, Uh, this is 603 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,840 Speaker 1: but another argument for votes for women and another painful 604 00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,960 Speaker 1: illustration of the fact that men cannot discipline women. And 605 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,480 Speaker 1: then stand goes on to stay some really interesting interestingly 606 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:08,319 Speaker 1: problematic stuff referring to kind of a higher class of 607 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,359 Speaker 1: women policing a lower class of women, which doesn't age 608 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,240 Speaker 1: super well. We're gonna skip that quote, but if you're interested, 609 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:18,360 Speaker 1: there is an interesting division and and some problematic features 610 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,439 Speaker 1: to the women's suffrage movement. There is, you know, still 611 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,680 Speaker 1: kind of an elitism to it at times. Classes um 612 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:28,240 Speaker 1: for sure. And fast forward spoiler alert, surprise. The laws 613 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:33,359 Speaker 1: were pretty ineffectual because the police felt like they were 614 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:37,360 Speaker 1: being a little bit uh, they felt like dufas is 615 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:41,560 Speaker 1: approaching women in the streets to enforce these laws. Because remember, 616 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:45,160 Speaker 1: the cops knew why people were rocking these hat pins. 617 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 1: They knew that the hatpins how to use were there 618 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,759 Speaker 1: for a reason. And so that's why we see things 619 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,759 Speaker 1: like this nineteen seventeen article in the Chicago Day Book 620 00:37:56,200 --> 00:38:00,480 Speaker 1: saying that yet men can get women arrested for their pins, 621 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:05,640 Speaker 1: but instead, the day Book concludes, far be it from 622 00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,320 Speaker 1: us to pick on the ladies. Let's try and see 623 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,120 Speaker 1: that they all get a seat so they won't have 624 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,400 Speaker 1: to swing around on a strap. And of course women 625 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,799 Speaker 1: are furious, like, okay, you're telling me that not only 626 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,239 Speaker 1: are you not going to arrest these guys harassing me. 627 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:25,600 Speaker 1: You're not gonna allow me to defend myself. Boo tut tut. Interestingly, though, 628 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:30,520 Speaker 1: this did lead to a new sort of phenomenon nationally, 629 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:34,960 Speaker 1: at least in the US UH for women's self defense 630 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:38,600 Speaker 1: classes or like hand to hand combat training UM in 631 00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:43,120 Speaker 1: around nineteen fifty there are some really telling articles from 632 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,720 Speaker 1: places like The New The Tacoma Times with a headline 633 00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,160 Speaker 1: say New York women paid twenty five dollars a piece 634 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,160 Speaker 1: for boxing lessons. It's a craze. And then you have 635 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:57,360 Speaker 1: an incredible, m essentially uh cartoon I guess from Cosmopolitan 636 00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:01,919 Speaker 1: from nineteen ten, showing a woman wearing a what looks 637 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,600 Speaker 1: like literally a cornucopia kind of bowl of fruit on 638 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,960 Speaker 1: her head and one of those classic ruffled white blouses 639 00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:12,239 Speaker 1: tucked into a long skirt, who is grappling with a 640 00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,840 Speaker 1: masher type man wearing a suit with a little Hitler mustache, 641 00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,239 Speaker 1: holding a pistol, and she's got him gripped by the 642 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,920 Speaker 1: elbow in the forearm and it says safe from attack 643 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:25,000 Speaker 1: when you know jiu jitsu. So uh. The the actual 644 00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:29,359 Speaker 1: self defense kind of market began to take hold here 645 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:33,399 Speaker 1: as a direct result of these laws and these ordinances, 646 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,920 Speaker 1: and you started to see Japanese culture, this specifically in 647 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,759 Speaker 1: the upper class. Again, by the way, all of this 648 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,440 Speaker 1: is largely in the upper class because the hat pins 649 00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,359 Speaker 1: that would have been um an expensive item to have, 650 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:48,080 Speaker 1: as would twenty five dollars for boxing lessons. Yeah, yeah, 651 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,000 Speaker 1: a couple of points of course, to be absolutely fair, 652 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,000 Speaker 1: that wasn't the Hitler mustache yet that was just the 653 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:59,400 Speaker 1: toothbrush mustache at uh. And now it's the Hitler mustache. 654 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,359 Speaker 1: And I guess Mike Jordan has one too. But uh, 655 00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,920 Speaker 1: you may be asking yourself, right with with all this 656 00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:10,000 Speaker 1: social turmoil, with this being so common throughout the world, 657 00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:14,200 Speaker 1: although yes, definitely in the upper classes. Uh, what happened 658 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:18,640 Speaker 1: to the hat pin? Whither the hat pin? Well? Uh, 659 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:23,200 Speaker 1: the answer is in the onset of World War One. Uh, 660 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:27,000 Speaker 1: people were being encouraged to use alternative means of defense, right, 661 00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:31,040 Speaker 1: like boxing, like Nol just mentioned, Uh, using whistles to 662 00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:38,000 Speaker 1: scare away attackers. Uh. The ultimate undoing rest on two factors. First, fashion, 663 00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:42,319 Speaker 1: which is ever fickle, and secondly, Uh, the rush for 664 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:47,319 Speaker 1: resources during World War One, especially in Europe, medals were 665 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:51,360 Speaker 1: cut back. You you needed them for the military, it 666 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:55,000 Speaker 1: seemed frivolous to use them in jewelry, hats got smaller, 667 00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:58,239 Speaker 1: him lines came up. Hat pins were also smaller and 668 00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,839 Speaker 1: smaller and smaller, and kind of ethically being replaced by 669 00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:07,080 Speaker 1: military buttons to show your support. So that's where we 670 00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:10,600 Speaker 1: see this shift. We were from really ornate in TV 671 00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:15,239 Speaker 1: cribs level hat pins or pent my ride hatpins to military, 672 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,840 Speaker 1: more functional hat pins, and then in the nineteen twenties 673 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:24,080 Speaker 1: hats that didn't need hat pins became popular, so it's 674 00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,520 Speaker 1: bye bye hat pin. Of course, masters still remain. And no, 675 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:31,360 Speaker 1: I love that you mentioned Japan, because one big problem 676 00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:36,840 Speaker 1: in Japan is the equivalent of mashers on the train 677 00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:41,759 Speaker 1: system technically their frauderist, which is a very weird term 678 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,560 Speaker 1: and interestingly enough by Japan too. Like no guns, not 679 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,120 Speaker 1: a thing has never really been a thing. A lot 680 00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:51,120 Speaker 1: of pokey type weapons and hand to hand combat. And 681 00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:55,040 Speaker 1: so there is our story today, folks, the rise and 682 00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,360 Speaker 1: fall of the hat pin peril. Uh. You may be 683 00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:02,279 Speaker 1: fortunate enough to have inherited a hat pin from one 684 00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:06,080 Speaker 1: of your relatives or ancestors. If so, let us know 685 00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,279 Speaker 1: what it looks like. I'm I'm curious to see if 686 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,279 Speaker 1: anybody has something that would just qualifies a straight up 687 00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:14,440 Speaker 1: head machette. I. Yeah, I guess I didn't realize. I 688 00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,080 Speaker 1: knew what a hat pan was, but I did not 689 00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:21,480 Speaker 1: realize how incredibly long they got. Uh, And I'm sure 690 00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:25,160 Speaker 1: let's if we go to like, let's see antique hat 691 00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:29,120 Speaker 1: pans on the internet, we could probably get Oh my goodness, Yeah, 692 00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:32,320 Speaker 1: and they really do look like torture devices. They're quite long, 693 00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:37,200 Speaker 1: and the the little handles are very ornate with jewels 694 00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:41,680 Speaker 1: and metal work, and these all do have little little 695 00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,600 Speaker 1: pointy like stick covers at the very at the very end, 696 00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,239 Speaker 1: because yeah, man, you could literally run one of these 697 00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,439 Speaker 1: right through a guy's I you know. I mean there's 698 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,440 Speaker 1: actually a character in a Haruki Murakami book that I've 699 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,879 Speaker 1: been trying to slowly work my way through. Um, that 700 00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:02,160 Speaker 1: is a female assassin who kills her victims using a 701 00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:06,080 Speaker 1: very very long, skinny needle that is so skinny that 702 00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:07,800 Speaker 1: she can just pop it right through the back of 703 00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,120 Speaker 1: someone's neck and take it out and they wouldn't even 704 00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,239 Speaker 1: realize that had happened, and they just die instantly. Oh 705 00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,680 Speaker 1: is it one Q eighty four? That's the one. Yeah, 706 00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:16,680 Speaker 1: that's you're reading it. Huh, I am, I am how far? 707 00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:20,160 Speaker 1: How far are you in? Not very It's it's great, 708 00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,520 Speaker 1: but it's like it's I'm just I have been you 709 00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:26,360 Speaker 1: as a voracious reader. I absolutely envy you. I have 710 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,040 Speaker 1: been having a hard time in in in the days 711 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:33,359 Speaker 1: of kind of over saturation of short form content, of 712 00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,880 Speaker 1: like making my way through an entire book I'm working on. 713 00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:37,880 Speaker 1: I'm trying to change for the better this year, and 714 00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:39,400 Speaker 1: that's what I'm starting with. Of course, I picked a 715 00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,919 Speaker 1: thousand page book to start, but you know, wish me luck, 716 00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,160 Speaker 1: good luck man, you only enjoy it and don't feel bad. 717 00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:48,480 Speaker 1: It's that book in particular, no spoilers, is like several 718 00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:52,319 Speaker 1: different stories. I'm still trying to figure that book out. Uh. 719 00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:56,279 Speaker 1: And you know what, Murrakami is a great writer. I 720 00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,000 Speaker 1: I feel like, just like the templar said in Indiana 721 00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:02,680 Speaker 1: Jones who and wisely also shout out I can't remember 722 00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:06,239 Speaker 1: whether we mentioned this on air, but when we were 723 00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,040 Speaker 1: shouting out a lot of comic books, don't forget well, 724 00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:12,040 Speaker 1: you've got a You've got an excellent two volume series 725 00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:16,239 Speaker 1: waiting for you at the office. I am surprised in 726 00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,080 Speaker 1: advance and I'm I'm gonna be popped by there tomorrow 727 00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,600 Speaker 1: and get it. Thank you so much, man oh, and 728 00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:24,480 Speaker 1: we hope you enjoyed today's episode. Thank you as always 729 00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:30,440 Speaker 1: to our super producer Casey Pegram. Thanks to Christopher Hasiotis, 730 00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:34,200 Speaker 1: who a little bird tells me maybe returning to the 731 00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,440 Speaker 1: show sooner rather than later, And of course thanks to 732 00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,799 Speaker 1: Gabe Louis Huge. Thanks to Alex Williams who composed our theme. 733 00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,200 Speaker 1: Jonathan Strickland a k a. The Quister, who will return 734 00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,480 Speaker 1: to torment Us hopefully not with pointy objects in the 735 00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,200 Speaker 1: near future. And thanks to you, Ben for being a 736 00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:52,040 Speaker 1: pal and a coffidant and for you know, talking hat 737 00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:56,120 Speaker 1: pens and mashers with me today. Let us know what 738 00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,160 Speaker 1: you think. You can find us on Facebook, you can 739 00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,320 Speaker 1: find us on Instagram. You can find us on Twitter, 740 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:04,239 Speaker 1: not just as a show, but as individuals. You can 741 00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,439 Speaker 1: find me on Instagram exclusively where I am at how 742 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,520 Speaker 1: Now Noel Brown, and you can find me on Twitter 743 00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,399 Speaker 1: where I'm Ben Bole and hs w uh. You can 744 00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:16,320 Speaker 1: find me also on Instagram where I am at Big 745 00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:20,560 Speaker 1: Hatpin Energy I'm kidding at Ben Bull. See you next time, folks. 746 00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,000 Speaker 1: For more podcasts, from my heart Radio, visit the I 747 00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,960 Speaker 1: heart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to 748 00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:34,920 Speaker 1: your favorite shows.