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Speaker 2: This is the Best of the Herd with Colin cowher

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Speaker 3: Here we go. It is a Tuesday. We are live.

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Speaker 3: The truth.

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Speaker 1: Once the playoffs arrived always reveals itself. You can't trust

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Speaker 1: the Jacksonville Jaguars and the Pittsburgh Steelers our sears department store.

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Speaker 1: Three point one yards per play, lowest yards per play

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Speaker 1: in the last nine years in the playoffs, and they

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Speaker 1: got turnovers.

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Speaker 3: They get three times.

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Speaker 1: Houston gave him opportunities, thirteen total first downs, aful on

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Speaker 3: Couldn't run the ball again.

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Speaker 1: If the Steelers were just competent offensively, and I know

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Speaker 1: the Texans are good, but you had a ballgame. Pittsburgh's

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Speaker 1: longest drive in the second half twenty three yards. So

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Speaker 1: they're not going to fire Mike Tomlin. Aaron's of course

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Speaker 1: going to always defend him. They have no young quarterback

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Speaker 1: for the future.

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Speaker 3: It's one of.

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Speaker 1: The oldest rosters in the league. The money's mostly spent

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Speaker 1: on defense. Pittsburgh is stuck in a mediocrity loop and

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Speaker 1: they're never terrible, but exceedingly average. And they've become so

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Speaker 1: consumed with stability, loyalty. Hey, at least we're not Cleveland. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but either are the Chiefs. The Rams are the Niners,

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Speaker 1: and they take swings. I mean a prime example of

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Speaker 1: the Steelers they go get DK Metcalf and yet the

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Speaker 1: Steelers are last in the NFL with Aaron Rodgers in

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Speaker 1: air yards per attempt. So they buy a sports car

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Speaker 1: and don't know how to drive it. And it's not

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Speaker 1: just about not winning a playoff game for nine years.

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Speaker 1: I went and looked at Mike Tomlin's last thirteen playoff games.

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Speaker 3: There's six blowout losses.

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Speaker 1: In fact, in their last seven playoff games, they have

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Speaker 1: not led for a single snap in the second half

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Speaker 1: in any of them. The games aren't that competitive. You

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Speaker 1: thought last night was competitive. Start of the fourth you

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Speaker 1: knew who the better team was. So there's an old

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Speaker 1: saying about you know, you can't save your way to

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Speaker 1: being wealthy just being content. And that's how I feel

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Speaker 1: about the Steelers. You know they want to be content,

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Speaker 1: which to me just feels like a weighted blanket.

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Speaker 3: I just don't get it. There.

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Speaker 1: You got to take swings, increase risk. We're going into

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Speaker 1: another season Aaron'll take off. They won't have any urgency

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Speaker 1: at quarterback. And it's actually the easy way out in

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Speaker 1: life to not offend anybody and be loyal to all

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Speaker 1: your employees. That is the easy way out in life.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to fire people. And I'm not insisting that

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Speaker 1: you should fire Tom. It's not what I'm saying. He

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Speaker 1: get a TV job or another job in one second.

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Speaker 1: He's more than competent. Stop spending money on defense. Okay,

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Speaker 1: last night. It's like I know in Pittsburgh and I

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Speaker 1: get it. It's an old school, proud town that putting

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Speaker 1: fries and a sandwich is cool. But the rest of

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Speaker 1: the country took the fries, moved him on a plate,

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Speaker 1: put parmesan cheese and truffle salt on them.

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Speaker 3: That's what the rest of us do.

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Speaker 1: It's time to spend money on offense. It's time to

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Speaker 1: today work on getting your next star quarterback, free agency, college,

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Speaker 1: whatever you gotta do. But I just I feel like,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I suggested, remember this couple of years ago.

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Speaker 1: I was mocked when I suggested TJ. Watt, still in

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Speaker 1: his prime before the injuries mount move.

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Speaker 3: Him for two first round picks.

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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh's like, nah, we're gonna make him the highest paid

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Speaker 3: A few more injuries. TJ.

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Speaker 1: Watt now aller and five in playoff games. You're grabbing

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Speaker 1: on to the wrong stuff, spending way too much money

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Speaker 1: on defense every I mean again, you can be loyal

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Speaker 1: to your best employees, right. I'm not asking for anybody

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Speaker 1: to be fired here. It's not my thing. I was

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Speaker 1: surprised that John Harbaugh was Harbaugh and Tomlin you can argue,

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Speaker 1: Baltimore is flexible, understands offense, spends on offense, drafts and develops.

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Speaker 1: They're trying new stuff and new coordinators, new things. I

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Speaker 1: never feel like Baltimore's outdated. They just couldn't beat Mahomes

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Speaker 1: or Josh Allen. So Aaron Rodgers after the game asked

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Speaker 4: I'm not going to make any emotional decisions. Disappointed, you know, obviously,

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Speaker 4: I'm such a fun.

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Speaker 3: Year league game.

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Speaker 1: You wanted to be here.

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Speaker 4: I'm not going to talk about.

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Speaker 5: That, Aaron Hunt, do you approach just what you decide

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Speaker 5: to do next?

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Speaker 4: They just get away and then then have the right conversations.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So Aaron's going to disappear for a while. He

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Speaker 1: did that in his prime. He's certainly going to do

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Speaker 3: It's his life.

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Speaker 1: Hall of Famer, first ballot, smart guy, he's got a

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Speaker 1: big broad life. You're going to disappear, and Mike Tomlin's

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Speaker 1: not getting fired, and they're gonna downplay they've got any concern.

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Speaker 3: About quarterback issues.

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Speaker 1: But they will continue to be a team that is

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Speaker 1: not a viable Super Bowl organization.

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Speaker 3: They won't be now now, Aaron, and.

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Speaker 1: I guess to his credit, he was pretty feisty on

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Speaker 1: defended Mike Tomlin after.

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Speaker 3: I want you to listen to this.

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Speaker 4: Mike Tz had more success and damn near anybody in

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Speaker 4: the league. You know, from for the last nineteen twenty

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Speaker 4: years and more than that that when you have the

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Speaker 4: right guy and the culture is right, you don't think

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Speaker 4: about making a change. But there's a lot of pressure

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Speaker 4: that comes from the outside, and obviously that sways decisions

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Speaker 4: from time to time. But it's not how I would

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Speaker 4: do things, and not how the league used to be.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let me stop right there. It's not what the

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 1: The NFL's now smarter, shrewder, and more offensive. The league

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Speaker 1: isn't what it used to be, but the Steelers are.

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Speaker 1: They spend all their money on defense, so you know

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Speaker 1: what the league is now. It's not what it was

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Speaker 1: when Tomlin took over the Steelers. We're just a good

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Speaker 1: defense in a run game, got you to a Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl and won it. Now it's about offensive coaches, it's

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Speaker 1: about quarterbacks and passing games.

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Speaker 3: It's about spending your money.

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Speaker 1: At left tackle, quarterback, two weapons, maybe even a center,

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Speaker 1: not on a second pass rusher. So that mindset that

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Speaker 1: Aaron just voiced is precisely why the Steelers steel outdated.

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Speaker 1: The last nine Super Bowl champs nine for nine have

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Speaker 1: top ten offenses. The Steelers once again this year twenty

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Speaker 1: sixth on offense. For a city that worships bridges, Pittsburgh

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Speaker 1: needs to cross one. It's time to change the way

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Speaker 1: you're doing business.

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Speaker 3: Sears J. C. Penny were cool.

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Speaker 1: Now we all shop online like you got to stop

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Speaker 1: the money on the other side. So the NFL is richer.

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Speaker 1: General managers are younger and very aggressive, Howie roseman less

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Speaker 1: need go look around now. The best gms are young

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Speaker 1: and they're taking big risks, and they're very busy at

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Speaker 1: the trade deadline. I mean, I'll give you credit for

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Speaker 1: DK metcalf and at the same time George Pickens left.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not sure who's already better this year. It

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Speaker 1: was it was Pickens. So and I don't buy into

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Speaker 1: well the league was better years ago.

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Speaker 3: No, it wasn't.

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Speaker 1: It's safer now, it's smarter now. The gms are less

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Speaker 1: risk averse. So you know, I'm just I'm looking at

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers against playoff teams this season, and I thought

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Speaker 1: Aaron played very, very well.

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Speaker 3: I defended Aaron. Everybody is my witness the entire year.

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Speaker 1: But judge a team, not how you were against the

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Speaker 1: Bengals without Joe Burrow or the cruddy Browns and the

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Speaker 1: AFC this year was weaker.

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Speaker 3: This year, even Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 1: Against playoff teams had a passer rating of seventy was

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Speaker 1: one in five. That's with Aaron, who I thought played

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Speaker 1: really well most of the year.

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Speaker 3: I really did.

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Speaker 1: Based on what I saw as last year in Green

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Speaker 1: Band with the Jets, I thought Aaron played very well

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Speaker 1: except against the good teams. And you could watch Aaron's

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Speaker 1: body language on the first drive last night. He got

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Speaker 1: upset with a teammate. He was upset on the bench

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Speaker 1: last night, and I said, Steelers are offensive quicksand Aaron

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Speaker 1: just stepped into it, and to his credit, he elevated

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Speaker 1: this team. Aaron deserves a lot of credit for forty

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Speaker 1: two years old. I thought he played really well. They

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Speaker 1: don't have a number two receiver, DK Metcalf got himself

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Speaker 3: Run game.

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Speaker 1: I like Jalen Warren. The old line was better than

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Speaker 1: I thought. Some of that goes to credit Arthur Smith

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Speaker 1: and Aaron Rodgers. But the last Dine Super Bowl champs

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Speaker 1: nine for nine, top ten offenses. The world has pivoted.

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Speaker 1: It's pivoted, and that city that worships bridges. They are

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Speaker 1: just struggling to cross it to the other side. All right,

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Speaker 1: J Matt, congratulations you hit your first bet of the weekend.

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Speaker 1: I know you were freaking out last night. You know

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Speaker 1: It's funny the whole second half. I'm like, the Texans

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Speaker 1: are the better team. The Texans are going to win

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Speaker 1: this game. But Pittsburgh did this all year long. They

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Speaker 1: just sort of hung around in games where they couldn't

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Speaker 1: generate much offense. So it was at least, you know,

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Speaker 1: fourth quarter was entertaining for a while.

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Speaker 6: Happy to get aside. Right, the Texas defense took over.

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Speaker 6: I just don't know what they're going to have going

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Speaker 6: into New England without Nico Collins. That concussion look brutal.

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Speaker 6: I can't imagine a scenario where he plays. The defense

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Speaker 6: is awesome, but Colin that offense. What has happened to CJ.

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Speaker 5: Shroud?

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Speaker 6: I mean, that guy has regressed since his rookie year.

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Speaker 6: I'm not seeing it.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 1: Thank God for Woody Marx and Christian Kirk. Christidon Kirk.

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Speaker 6: Did you know Christian Kirk was the leading receiver on

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Speaker 6: Wild Card Weekend? Most yards of any receiver or tight

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Speaker 6: end was Christian It.

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Speaker 1: Was a Texas A and m Kid and that I think

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Speaker 1: works in Houston. Yeah, yeah, no, that's right, Jacksonville. He

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Speaker 1: works in Houston. Had a great night for him.

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Speaker 1: And it's just being reported. Mike Tomlin has officially stepped

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Speaker 1: down after a historic nineteen season run. According to Adam

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Speaker 1: Schefter and Jeremy Fowler, the Steelers will be looking for

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Speaker 1: their first coach, only their fourth coach since the late sixties,

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Speaker 1: Kevin Stefanski, howe sweet?

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Speaker 3: Would that be? The Browns let him go?

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Speaker 1: That's where I would go. And I'll be honest with you,

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Speaker 3: I think it's the right move. People.

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Speaker 1: Mike the fable on our show yesterday, saying he knew

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Speaker 1: And I don't know how those things get negotiated behind

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Speaker 3: It's time.

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Speaker 1: I think Mike will pick up a network job. I

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Speaker 1: mean I would be shocked if he was not on

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Speaker 1: of where he's gonna go. I'm not gonna do that

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Speaker 1: And by the way, I think it's not just Tomlin.

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Speaker 1: I would not be shocked. The winner in This is

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Speaker 1: the New York Giants.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: Now they've got Harbaugh, Stefanski and Mike Tomlin. Suddenly it

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Speaker 1: went from a lean coaching market to the best in

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Speaker 1: you can hire Tomlin, Harbar or Kevin Stefanski, you hire

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Speaker 1: him like a Vrabel, like a Harball, like a Sean Payton.

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Speaker 1: Stop messing around. So also, uh, Tomlin is a culture guy.

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Speaker 1: These guys are all alphas, all competitive, but I think

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Speaker 1: It's easy to just blame Mike Tomlin, but the GM

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Speaker 1: high risk, high reward GM. I think they need to

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Speaker 1: I would offer the job today to Kevin Stefanski. That's

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Speaker 1: thank you so much, I'm gonna go find my next guy.

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of these coaches Aaron Glenn didn't.

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Speaker 1: coaching vacancies are now up to nine, including three of

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Speaker 1: the four teams in the AFC North. So the Steelers, Ravens, Browns, Giants, Titans, Falcons, Cardinals, Raiders,

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Speaker 1: Dolphins have openings. Ravens is the best job they have.

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Speaker 1: Lamar good roster. I don't know if there's a clear too.

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Speaker 1: Steelers Giants have some things I like about both. Again,

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Speaker 1: TJ Wat and get more picks, that was outrageous. TJ's

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Speaker 1: I mean, if Steelers have a Packers feel like, you know,

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Speaker 2: and noon Easter not a em Pacific Well.

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Speaker 1: He's an NFL writer for The Athletic and the host

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Speaker 1: of the Athletic Football Show. Robert Mays is sensational, previously

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Speaker 1: at Grantlin and The Ringer, and he is now joining

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Speaker 1: us on the news that Mike Tomlin has decided to go.

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Speaker 1: I think there's needs to be a house cleaning inside

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Speaker 1: the organization. They spend too much money on defense. I

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Speaker 1: think it's easy to blame Tomlin, who's an elite motivator.

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Speaker 1: He'll be a great TV analyst, or he'll get the

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Speaker 1: you know the winner in this, Robert, The winner is

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Speaker 1: the Giants. They got a hard Voss, Tafanski and Tomlin.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty meaty. The other winner to me is Brian

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Speaker 3: Let's start with Tomlin. Though you did a show.

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Speaker 1: Right after the game last night and after the loss,

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Speaker 5: But it was time. I think it was time for

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Speaker 7: And I never thought that the Steelers would fire Mike Tomlin,

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Speaker 7: and they didn't. I think he was going to be

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Speaker 7: a conversation, and I feel like we were in a

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Speaker 7: This had run out of road on so many different fronts,

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Speaker 7: so we could talk about this. But the Steelers are

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Speaker 7: It's a reset, even if it's not a rebuild, and

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Speaker 7: I feel like somebody else coming in with a new

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Speaker 7: that made sense for them and for Tomlin. You have

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Speaker 7: Steelers head coach. I think him either taking a year

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Speaker 7: to a different situation where the team is positioned differently

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Speaker 7: for both parties. I felt like this was the right

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Speaker 3: Who do you think is the leading candidate for that job.

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Speaker 7: It's a great question because I heard you say earlier

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Speaker 7: and I would completely understand that if they wanted to

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Speaker 7: that's pretty far removed from what the Tomlin row was,

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Speaker 7: I also think this is an organization that has not

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Speaker 7: kind of anonymous assistant that they thought was the right

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Speaker 7: I feel like there are gonna be a lot of

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Speaker 1: I mean, I would think now, I said about an

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Speaker 7: I just don't understand why you would kind of pigeonhole

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Speaker 7: feels like you're kind of closing the book and starting

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Speaker 7: And I'm just not sure how a forty two year

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Speaker 5: And the ownership there is stable.

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Speaker 7: There's stability there, There's going to be patients there I

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Speaker 1: that's that's a really really interesting roster. Because Jason Light's

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Speaker 1: get a right tackle. It's a tackle heavy draft. If

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Speaker 1: I'm the Giant, if you told me John Harbaugh they

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Speaker 1: in that division, I don't listen. We just saw this

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Speaker 3: Is that maybe why we have nine openings.

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Speaker 5: I think it has to be.

437
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Speaker 7: And I think the Seahawks are actually a really good

438
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:03,359
Speaker 7: parallel to what we're looking at with the Steelers. Pete

439
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 7: Carroll had been consistently good for a very long time.

440
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 7: They're constantly in the mix the exact same way the

441
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Speaker 7: Steelers were, But you had questions about the ceiling. This

442
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:13,199
Speaker 7: is a team that hadn't won a playoff game in

443
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Speaker 7: seven eight years. They were consistently getting bounced early when

444
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:18,639
Speaker 7: they did get in. It didn't feel like they had

445
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 7: a ceiling as an organization. And you get to the

446
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 7: end of that twenty twenty three season and say, you

447
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Speaker 7: know what, Pete, we appreciate everything you've done.

448
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Speaker 5: It's time for us to move in a different direction.

449
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,920
Speaker 7: You go get a Mike McDonald who's on the cutting

450
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,119
Speaker 7: edge defensively in the NFL. He is the Sean McVay

451
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Speaker 7: of that side of the ball, and you have seen

452
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Speaker 7: the ways that he has lifted the ceiling for that team,

453
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Speaker 7: and I think the Steelers are in a very similar situation.

454
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Speaker 7: And when you have these guys that can come in

455
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Speaker 7: in one year and you see this huge jump not

456
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Speaker 7: only with the wins and losses, but with the ceiling

457
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Speaker 7: of the team, feels like I think you're going to

458
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 7: see more and more owners have a quick hook because

459
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 7: something like that could be on the table.

460
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Speaker 1: Marcus Freeman Notre Dame opinion on him, like the NFL

461
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Speaker 1: teams circling back on him.

462
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Speaker 5: I think it may be possible in this cycle.

463
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Speaker 7: Because this cycle is strange with the candidate pool in

464
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Speaker 7: most other years, I think defaulting to the offensive coach.

465
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Speaker 5: That's my personal bias.

466
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Speaker 7: If I'm trying to build the perfect archetype of NFL

467
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Speaker 7: head coach, just based on the percentages and which guys

468
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,199
Speaker 7: usually succeed in which guys usually win, I want the

469
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Speaker 7: offensive play calling head coach. In last year's cycle, I

470
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Speaker 7: want Ben Johnson, I want Liam Cohen. There are not

471
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Speaker 7: a lot of clear cut candidates that fit that model.

472
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Speaker 5: This year.

473
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Speaker 7: Clint Kubiak, after one year with the Seahawks, has gotten

474
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Speaker 7: a handful of interviews because he's really one of the

475
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Speaker 7: only guys. And so I think because this pool specifically

476
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Speaker 7: doesn't fall in line with what organizations have been chasing

477
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Speaker 7: over the last few years, it opens the door for

478
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Speaker 7: maybe a couple guys who don't fit the mold getting

479
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Speaker 7: some of these jobs.

480
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Speaker 3: Man, this is really really fascinating nine openings. I mean

481
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Speaker 3: just three weeks ago.

482
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Speaker 1: If you just said Stefanski, John Ball, Mike Tomlin, nine openings,

483
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 1: let me let me throw a team. We don't talk

484
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Speaker 1: about a lot. I think the Titans is sneaky interesting.

485
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 1: I really, you know, I know Robert, they're out mass.

486
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Speaker 1: I think cam Ward's pretty talented guy. I think I'm

487
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Speaker 1: gonna throw this out there. Brian Daboll interviews Friday. Dabel

488
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 1: gets the Titans job. Does that sound crazy to you?

489
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 7: No, it doesn't sound crazy because again, there aren't that

490
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 7: many offensive coaches in this cycle. And if you're steadfast

491
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Speaker 7: with Tennessee being like, we need an offensive coach to

492
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Speaker 7: pair with cam Ward, there are only four or five

493
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Speaker 7: guys that I think are hot candidates that you're really

494
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 7: thinking about. So if Dabel was in the mix of that,

495
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 7: I totally understand. With Tennessee specifically, they'd check O out

496
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Speaker 7: of the boxes. They have a quarterback who at least

497
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,359
Speaker 7: showed promise this year. The numbers are bad, but you

498
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 7: could talk yourself into cam Ward pretty easily. There's roster flexibility.

499
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 7: They have resources to go out and spend and try

500
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Speaker 7: to improve that thing quickly. The question with Tennessee is

501
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 7: going to be ownership. How do you feel about going

502
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Speaker 7: into a place that has been dysfunctional, that has been impatient,

503
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 7: that has kind of changed the target and moved the

504
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 7: goalposts a lot over the last five years. If you

505
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 7: trust their new infrastructure with Mike Borganzi as the GM,

506
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 7: with Shad Brinker as the president, and you think that

507
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 7: there is a new found stability there that kind of

508
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 7: insulates you from what Amy Adams Trunk has done over

509
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Speaker 7: the last few years. There are some parts of that

510
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,360
Speaker 7: job that I do think are pretty appealing.

511
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Speaker 1: I have defended Matt Lafleur. I said he won the

512
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Speaker 1: first half against Ben Johnson. I always feel the first

513
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Speaker 1: half is the game plan and the script half. The

514
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Speaker 1: second half a lot of times that's off script and

515
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams and Josh Allen and Mahomes make plays, But

516
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Speaker 1: the first half's always felt like that's the week's work.

517
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: Your first three series, that's the week's work. I thought

518
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Speaker 1: Matt had a very good first half. When you look

519
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 1: at the Packers' loss and I know it's over and

520
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,919
Speaker 1: Lafleur's probably going to retain his job, where do we

521
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Speaker 1: point the fingers on it? Because I didn't think Ben

522
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: Johnson Robert. I thought he kind of overt I thought

523
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: he was a little desperate going forward in the first half.

524
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: I thought he got too cute too often his first playoff.

525
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 1: You know, as the coach, I get it everybody in

526
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 1: green Bay, every Chiefs hit, Get him out of here.

527
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: Where do you point the fingers with Green Bay's loss?

528
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Speaker 7: I think the quality of the offensive line and their

529
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 7: struggles in the second half had a big, big.

530
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Speaker 5: Part in it.

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Speaker 7: Their inability to run the ball in the second half,

532
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Speaker 7: the fact that Jordan Love was pressured so much more

533
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:32,479
Speaker 7: than he was in the first half. I think you

534
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:35,199
Speaker 7: saw the fact that they had some component parts change out.

535
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 7: They had a backup right tackle in there. They had

536
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 7: a left tackle who's a solid player, but not a

537
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 7: great player. Is going to be hitting free agency. This

538
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 7: roster does not have a lot of stars on it.

539
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 7: That was their problem over the last couple of seasons.

540
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 7: It was a good roster, but not a roster with

541
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 7: a lot of high end talent. That's why you go

542
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 7: out and get Micah Parsons. Well, Michael Parsons didn't play

543
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 7: in that playoff game. Their right tackles that Tom might

544
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 7: have been their best player. On offense other than the quarterback.

545
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 7: He didn't play in that game game And so in

546
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 7: a lot of ways, the Packers of twenty twenty three

547
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,679
Speaker 7: and twenty twenty four talent wise, are the team that

548
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,160
Speaker 7: showed up last weekend, and so you had a similar

549
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 7: end that you've had over the last couple of years.

550
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:13,959
Speaker 7: I get if you're frustrated, if you're a Packers fan.

551
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 7: I don't want to diminish that. But I still feel

552
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 7: like if you look at the results over the last

553
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 7: three seasons, this hasn't really been a team that's underachieved.

554
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 7: It's a team that just is kind of plateaued when

555
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 7: we've gotten to the end of the year. But I

556
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 7: think they're still young, and I think there's still a

557
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 7: ceiling here. And this to me feels different than the

558
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,919
Speaker 7: Tomlin conversation than the Harbaugh conversation. If I were the Packers,

559
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:34,919
Speaker 7: I would want Matt Lafleur back, and so I'm not

560
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 7: surprised that that's where it seems to be trending.

561
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Speaker 3: By the way. I want to circle back to Tomlin.

562
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: So Sean Payton left New Orleans and he came to

563
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Speaker 1: Fox and Sean and I went to dinner and we

564
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 1: talked and we texted a lot. We talked every week

565
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: we had an interview, and we would talk before we

566
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: went on the air, on the air and off the air,

567
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: and the before and afterwards way better than the on

568
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: the air stuff. And we talked a lot about it,

569
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Speaker 1: and I kept saying, dude, you know some of the

570
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: analysts at Fox, you know, they don't want to do

571
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: this stuff forever. Jimmy Johnson likes to fish. Okay, like

572
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: I said, stick around for about five years here. And

573
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: he's like, oh no, yeah, maybe what we talk about

574
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: the broadcasting thing, and he's just got too many things

575
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: ruminating upstairs.

576
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 3: There's no way he could do broadcasting.

577
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: And he took the Denver job without Russell Wilson cap

578
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 1: hit and I'm like, yeah, you're in the division with Mahomes.

579
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Speaker 3: I don't know if I like that. Well it works.

580
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Speaker 1: So I look at Tomlin and I think Tomlin's.

581
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Speaker 3: A competitive guy.

582
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Speaker 1: He's not a sit put a nice suit on and

583
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Speaker 1: talk football. He could do it for a year and

584
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: he'd probably be unbelievably great. He's just he's a quote.

585
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 5: He's great.

586
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: But what about this that Mike Tomlin does a Peyton

587
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: and says, I don't like the coach, I don't like

588
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: the job pool.

589
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 3: In one year now, the Green.

590
00:29:55,000 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 1: Bay thing could be, I guess might take it. Dallas

591
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 1: could come. Schottenheimer may get one more year, right, looks

592
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Speaker 1: like he will. Do you think there's a play for

593
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: Tomlin to do TV for a year and then like

594
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 1: Sean Payton, who said, oh, the richest owners in the league, oh,

595
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: we got a first round pick and it's a great

596
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: quarterback draft, do you think there is a possibility that

597
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 1: in a year, if we got nine this year, that

598
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: maybe better jobs happen in a year from now.

599
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 7: I'm sure Sean saw the check and didn't really mind

600
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 7: that Patrick Mahomes and ay Read were waiting around.

601
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 5: They seemed to enjoy that, And I don't blame him whatsoever.

602
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Speaker 7: I think with the quality of the jobs of Tom Whin,

603
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Speaker 7: I think that matters a little bit less, just because

604
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Speaker 7: I think he'll have options when he comes to it.

605
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 7: I think there will always be a job in every

606
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 7: cycle that is probably worth taking if you're Mike Tomlin.

607
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Speaker 7: The year off to me is most interesting because I

608
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 7: think guys can benefit.

609
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 5: From a year off.

610
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Speaker 7: If I'm Mike Tomlin, I think that where I would

611
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 7: sit back and evaluate who I was as a coach

612
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 7: and what did I needed to be moving forward would be,

613
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 7: and how you build your staff and how you seek

614
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 7: out coordinators on both sides of the ball. That's massively

615
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 7: important when you're a coach like Mike Tomlin, who is

616
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 7: one of these CEO type head coaches. The guys who've

617
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 7: been successful in that role, who've gotten further than the

618
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 7: Steelers have over the last couple of years, are the

619
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 7: guys that have been really good at finding the right people.

620
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Speaker 7: That's why I have faith in John Harbaugh in his

621
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 7: next stop in a way I might not have with

622
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:22,719
Speaker 7: a Pete Carroll is that John consistently in Baltimore understood

623
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 7: when he needed to change out coordinators and why he

624
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 7: hires Mike McDonald, he goes and gets Todd Monkin when

625
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 7: the Greg Roman things runs out of road. If I'm

626
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 7: Mike Tomlin, I want to take a step back and

627
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 7: for a year just visit with people around the league.

628
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 7: Talk to people who should I be seeking out? What

629
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 7: should my offense look like? Who are the people that

630
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 7: I should build my staff with. Just take yourself out

631
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 7: of that small kind of insulated world when you're the

632
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 7: head coach and your head is down all the time,

633
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 7: and just think about how you need to build things

634
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 7: moving forward for you to be successful. Because I think

635
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 7: if he surrounds himself with the right ideas, he is

636
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 7: such a good coach and a good motivat that that

637
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 7: overall construction and that overall model that would be appealing

638
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 7: to me if I were an owner trying to fill one.

639
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 5: Of these jobs.

640
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 3: How about this nine openings?

641
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Speaker 1: Do you think it's possible based on either results this

642
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: weekend or a Bushati John Harbaugh bad phone call, there'll

643
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: be another job opening? Or do you believe the Browns, Cards, Dolphin, Falcons, Giants, Raiders,

644
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: Raven Steelers, Titans?

645
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 7: Is it.

646
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: Or there's just one that you're kind of wondering about

647
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: any I don't know what that would be.

648
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 7: Meagles, Eagles, Eagles. Maybe I'd be surprised about that. I

649
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 7: think they won the Super Bowl last year. They've had

650
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 7: enough evidence where if they have the right coordinators in

651
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 7: that building, they can be successful and competitive. I think

652
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 7: they swap out the offensive coordinator before they move on

653
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 7: from Sirianni. I think twenty twenty six becomes all right,

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Speaker 7: we got to see it before we decide whether we

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Speaker 7: want to go in a new direction.

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Speaker 5: I think they stayed the course.

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Speaker 7: The other one that obviously we've talked about over the

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Speaker 7: last couple of years is what happens with Buffalo. I

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Speaker 7: think right now, you watch what they did on defense

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Speaker 7: against the Jags last week. Yeah, yeah, the Bill's defense

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Speaker 7: and how well coached that Bill's defense has been in

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Speaker 7: certain moments when they don't have a lot of talent.

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Speaker 7: I honestly think, even if it ends in the divisional round,

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Speaker 7: this is the year I have felt best on what

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Speaker 7: McDermott is providing for the Bills than I have over

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Speaker 7: the last couple of years, and so on that front,

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Speaker 7: I think I'd be surprised if they moved on. And

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Speaker 7: I think that's really the only one that even might

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Speaker 7: make sense given the teams that are left.

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Speaker 1: Robert Mays the Athletic Football Show terrific. Well, that Mike

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Speaker 1: Tomlin detour for the last fifteen minutes. It is nine

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Speaker 1: openings is the most since twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 3: So wow, this is just wild, Robert, is it really?

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Speaker 2: Is? It?

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Speaker 3: Really is?

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Speaker 7: No?

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Speaker 1: I mean it's like this is something I talked about

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Speaker 1: several years ago. Owners used to be worth six hundred

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Speaker 1: and fifty million. Now they're worth four billion, and they

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Speaker 1: can just right those checks.

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Speaker 5: They can just.

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Speaker 1: Clean the staff out. Here's sixty million. I'm starting over.

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Speaker 1: I made that yesterday on my tech stocks, you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just a different world. They're more impulsive.

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Speaker 1: But to your point, they're watching Rabel and Jim Harbaugh

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Speaker 1: and Liam Cohen and Mike McDonald and they're like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this. Just get the right guy, Demiko Ryans.

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Speaker 1: Before Demico got that job, I thought Houston was the

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Speaker 1: biggest has Matt spill in the league an hour before

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Speaker 1: he took that job. Nick Cassari, I mean, didn't we

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Speaker 1: think five years ago, four years ago, the worst franchise honestly,

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Speaker 1: wasn't it Houston.

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Speaker 7: It was the most forgettable franchise. It was the most

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Speaker 7: irrelevant franchise in the league. They existed in complete anonymity

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Speaker 7: for like four years.

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Speaker 5: But you just feel how differently things can change.

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Speaker 7: Think about the way the Bears are talked about when

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Speaker 7: it comes to ownership and the quality of the organization

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Speaker 7: and their entire reputation for the last five to ten years.

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Speaker 7: Ben Johnson's been there for eleven months, and how different

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Speaker 7: does it feel.

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Speaker 5: It feels so.

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Speaker 7: Different, And I think that's why there's an allure to this,

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Speaker 7: because you can convince yourself that if you get the

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Speaker 7: right guy, you can change everything in an instant.

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Speaker 5: And as long as.

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Speaker 7: We have evidence that points to that, I think you're

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Speaker 7: going to see owners operate this way.

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Speaker 3: Robert, great stuff, as always, Thanks, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Nine openings, Yeah, I mean, Marcus Freeman, keep your

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Speaker 1: eye on Brian Dabele, Mike Tomlin, John Harbaugh, Kevin Stefanski,

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Speaker 1: Mike mc I'll throw this. Mike McDaniel may get a

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Speaker 1: second opportunity. You say, wow, I mean Miami didn't end well,

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Speaker 1: got to the playoffs twice. What ammos a GM, Mike

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Speaker 1: McDaniel and Brian Dabele have got to be thinking nine openings.

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Speaker 5: I'm getting more.

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Speaker 3: And I don't I don't necessarily think it would be

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Speaker 3: a bad thing.

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Speaker 7: Hurt