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Speaker 1: Wednesday Morning Podcast. Frank Reich in his fourth season with

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Speaker 1: the Colts. Two playoff appearances in three years, which is

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Speaker 1: pretty remarkable considering this franchise had their go to quarterback

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Speaker 1: Andrew Luck retire right before a season a few years back.

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Speaker 1: They have not gone man overboard. Still very stable. Still

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Speaker 1: I think the favorite in their division. So it's pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: This is an organization that knows what it's doing and

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Speaker 1: their head coach will be joining us, coming up here

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Speaker 1: in about five minutes. You know, it was interesting when

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Speaker 1: I was on vacation for four days. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: always be tied to Baker Mayfield just because of my

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Speaker 1: opinions on him. And listen, like I get, there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of sports fans from Ohio and they're always interested.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's a tough guy on Twitter, but they always come

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Speaker 1: up and they're very gracious and they're like, hey, what

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Speaker 1: do you think? And I always say the same thing.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's great. I think he's good. I

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Speaker 1: think he's Kirk Cousins. That's what all my NFL guys think.

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Speaker 1: That's what the you know, the guy Mike Sando who

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Speaker 1: does that four tier quarterback list every year. It's the

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Speaker 1: go to fifty anonymous executives, and they put Baker Mayfield

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Speaker 1: right next to Kirk Cousins. That is exactly what my

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Speaker 1: scouts and my executive friends always say. He's Kirk Cousins.

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Speaker 1: He can win, he can get to the playoffs. He

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Speaker 1: win a playoff game, but he's got to be surrounded

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Speaker 1: by extraordinary talent. It's not a criticism. Hell, if you

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Speaker 1: can make the NFL, you're a great talent. But I

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Speaker 1: was thinking about this, you know, it's like Brown fans

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Speaker 1: want me to say that Baker me feels great, but

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Speaker 1: in every business and he's not. By the way, there

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Speaker 1: is room for somebody who can find tremendous success without

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Speaker 1: being great, if they're just good enough. Like in music,

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Speaker 1: to be a lead singer, you do not have to

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Speaker 1: have a great voice. David Lee, Roth van Halen, Mick Jagger, Stones,

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Speaker 1: not have to be a great actor. Keanu Reeves and

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Speaker 1: man in the NFL. There is a great history of

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Speaker 1: good enough. Ken Stabler, Joe Flacco, Jim McMahon, They've all

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Speaker 1: won Super Bowls by being good enough. We all know

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Speaker 1: not everybody has the same level of owner GM head

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Speaker 1: his career. It's the year he won a Super Bowl. Now,

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Speaker 1: obviously he is more than good enough. He is great.

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Speaker 1: But like Ohio fans want so desperately for people to say,

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Speaker 1: the best O line in football, the best running back tandem,

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Speaker 1: and let's be honest, it's a game of attrition. Lamar

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Speaker 1: AFC Championship. They're the healthier team. But there are very

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Speaker 1: few great quarterbacks. There are very few great actors. There

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Speaker 1: NFL has come out and said, listen, we're going to

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Speaker 1: crack down on taunting this year. And the NFL has

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Speaker 1: a crowd. So this stuff's obvious. They're not doing it

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Speaker 1: I've had everybody on from your organization. It's about time

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Speaker 1: I've had Jim Urse and Chris Ballard and multiple players

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Speaker 1: the next great coach is going to be Frank Reich.

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, the quarterback, you mean, yeah, number fourteen,

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Speaker 1: the guy. And he's like, he's like, yeah, he's gonna

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, you know, I'd never heard that, And

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Speaker 1: he said, you know, this is a weird league. Some

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Speaker 1: guys get chances early, some guys get chances late. You

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Speaker 1: would put the time In, you had played, you had

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Speaker 1: had great mentors. Was there a moment for you that

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Speaker 1: you just didn't think it was going to happen. You

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Speaker 1: just put your head to the pillow one night and

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Speaker 1: you're sitting there thinking, God, I've done it all right,

436
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Speaker 1: I've checked all the damn boxes. I am I going

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Speaker 1: to get this shot? Yeah. No, I mean after the

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Speaker 1: seventeen season, when you know, being part of the World

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Speaker 1: Championship and not initially not getting an interview initially, you know,

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Speaker 1: the cycle would kind of coming on and everyone was hired,

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Speaker 1: and it's crazy and it was over and uh but

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Speaker 1: here was a great thing about it, Colin. I had

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Speaker 1: my wife and I had had to sit down as

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Speaker 1: I saw that unfolding in seventeen. Um, we kind of

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00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,959
Speaker 1: had this pow wow one night about well here it is.

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Speaker 1: We just everything's going right, but not getting any interviews

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Speaker 1: at the time for whatever reason, you know, And uh,

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Speaker 1: you know I just had that looking in Maryland. I'm good.

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Speaker 1: You know. I love what I'm doing. I love coaching football,

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Speaker 1: whether you know, whether i'd be quality control or whether

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Speaker 1: you know, be the quarterback coach the offense. I love

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Speaker 1: being around the guys. I love the game. Um, I

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Speaker 1: love everything about it, and so UM, I'm thankful the

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Speaker 1: opportunity came. I'm thankful that Chris Pollard and mister Ersay,

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Speaker 1: you know, after what the unique situation that happened here,

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Speaker 1: gave me a call. And that because I believe we're

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Speaker 1: on the right pad. I believe that, you know, together

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Speaker 1: with our owner and with Chris, I believe we have

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Speaker 1: a vision and a blueprint for what we're trying to do.

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Speaker 1: And I believe it's taking I believe the players here

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Speaker 1: feel that and know that, and we have the right

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Speaker 1: time of leadership take us down. And I'm talking about

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Speaker 1: player leadership to take us down the road we want

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Speaker 1: to go. You remind me of Tony Dungee. You don't

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Speaker 1: toot your own horn, and Tony Dungee went years without

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Speaker 1: getting it. And I was in Tampa and Sam Weish

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Speaker 1: was let go and Rich McKay's a friend of mine,

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Speaker 1: and they interviewed Tony and then they interviewed him again,

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Speaker 1: and Rich and I had a good relationship. So I said, listen,

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Speaker 1: just you got to tell me off the air, like

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Speaker 1: what's going on. And he said, we know he's the

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Speaker 1: right guy, but he's so quiet, and that wasn't an

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Speaker 1: era over there were some barker, certain parcels guys, right,

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Speaker 1: And he said like like, we know he's the right guy,

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Speaker 1: but you know, you interviewed Tony. He's almost like a professor.

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Speaker 1: And then they interviewed him a third time at burn

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Speaker 1: Steakhouse in Tampa and they're like, Okay, you're the guy,

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Speaker 1: but you're again, this is my take. You're not a

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Speaker 1: big salesman. That's not your that's not your thing, and

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Speaker 1: you're to me, you are and and I'm not just

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Speaker 1: you know, blowing your smoke. But you're kind of a

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Speaker 1: guy's guy. And in this world we live in now, Frank,

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Speaker 1: if you don't have the agent, you're not tooting your horn,

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Speaker 1: you're not on social That is good component now, right,

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Speaker 1: And that's right, not really who you are. Yeah, No,

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Speaker 1: I mean I appreciate the comparison to Tony Donji. Obviously

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Speaker 1: I've worked for him for a short time, and he

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Speaker 1: would be a guy who I would want to pattern

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Speaker 1: myself after. As you said, Cola, you know I'm not

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Speaker 1: a big yeller and a scream I certainly I don't

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Speaker 1: think anybody would want to take pride in being a

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Speaker 1: you know, self promoter. But that's definitely not something that

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Speaker 1: I want to be good at. Um. You know what

494
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Speaker 1: I want to be good at is being a good teammate.

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Speaker 1: You know, I want to be a good teammate. UM.

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Speaker 1: And I love being around guys who love and play football.

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Speaker 1: I love guys who love practicing football. And um, you

498
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Speaker 1: know I'm not outwardly emotional or or yellow or screamer,

499
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Speaker 1: but I would hope that the guys here would say,

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Speaker 1: you know, you can you can be steady, you can

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Speaker 1: be even keel, but yeah, you can feel an intensity

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Speaker 1: and in a passion for the game for people that

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Speaker 1: you don't have to yell on screen. Um, I appreciate

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00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: and guys who do yeng screen. I want a few

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00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: of those guys on the staff. Uh. I don't want

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Speaker 1: everybody to be like me. So we you know, we

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Speaker 1: got some guys who can raise their voice and do that,

508
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,239
Speaker 1: but we all do it our own way. And uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, you got to be comfortable in your own

510
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 1: skin and and and do it the right way. But really,

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Speaker 1: no matter whether you're loud and vocal or a little

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Speaker 1: bit more suppued, you got to have that passion. You've

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Speaker 1: got to have that passion for the people, your players

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Speaker 1: and for the game, and then that that comes out.

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Speaker 1: They people feel that to be an NFL quarterback like

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Speaker 1: you were. You quarterbacked Bill's Panthers, Jets, Lions UM eighty

517
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Speaker 1: five to ninety eight. So you were probably a stud

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Speaker 1: in your high school team, stud in college, and then

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Speaker 1: you go to the NFL. And I'm always fascinated when

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Speaker 1: I asked guys this, when was the first time in

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Speaker 1: your career as a player that you were in practice

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Speaker 1: or on the field with another quarterback and thought, oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm not the best one here. Oh my god, this

524
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: guy's gonna Yeah, that's an easy answer. That was in

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty six, when in my second year in the

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Speaker 1: league and we signed Jim Kelly and he threw our

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Speaker 1: first practice. He threw a couple of footballs, and I said,

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Speaker 1: oh my goodness. I mean, I certainly watched these guys

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Speaker 1: play on top, you know, my rookie year obviously saw

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Speaker 1: Dan Marino play so on so forth. But you know,

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Speaker 1: just being a practice with another guy and seeing that done,

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Speaker 1: seeing throws made on an every day basis, was yeah,

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Speaker 1: I knew that there were I knew that there were

534
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Speaker 1: some guys that were just physically a cut above the

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Speaker 1: rest of us. I actually grew up The first quarterback

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Speaker 1: I fell in love with I grew up in Seattle

537
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Speaker 1: was Warren Moon. And I always tell my audience about

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Speaker 1: twice a year go YouTube Warren Moon thirty five years ago.

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Speaker 1: He'd beat the number one pick. It was insane. He

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Speaker 1: could run, he had a cannon. Speaking of personnel, Darius

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Speaker 1: Leonard got picked, and I went back knowing that you

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Speaker 1: were going to be on and there were people like,

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Speaker 1: who's Darius Leonard? This isn't a great pick. And then

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Speaker 1: literally immediately I went back when he arrived with the Colts,

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Speaker 1: and you know, the early reviews are, oh, good lord,

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Speaker 1: this guy's incredible. When you make the pick, you obviously

547
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Speaker 1: had seen him. You talked to Battary. But go back

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Speaker 1: to the first like a practice with a Darius Leonard

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Speaker 1: and you're just like, now, you don't want to tell him,

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Speaker 1: you don't want to shout it, but you whisper to somebody, oh,

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00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: what did we get our hands on here? Yeah, it

552
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 1: was immediate because of two things, you know, One like

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00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: he steps out on the field and really it's not

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00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: just on the field, it's anywhere, and he just had

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00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: this guy. We talk about juice and energy, and nobody

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00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: has it like the areas Okay, nobody. I've never been

557
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 1: around anybody like this guy. He steps on the field

558
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 1: and the whole field lights up. I mean, he just

559
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: has He has that much juice and love and passion

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00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: for the game that I know we all do, but

561
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: he just got a way about him that is special.

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Speaker 1: And then secondly, you know, yes, he's physically talented. There's

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00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: a lot of guys physically talented, but he's got that

564
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Speaker 1: gift of seeing a play happen before it happens, you know,

565
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Speaker 1: like knowing what's going to happen, and he's there, and

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Speaker 1: then he has the length and the attitude to finish place.

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Speaker 1: And the great thing about Darius is he's proven it

568
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: in the years in the three years that he's been here.

569
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Speaker 1: Well what I mean, it's not just making a million tackles,

570
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: it's causing fumbles, recovering fumbles, making interceptions and sacking the quarterback.

571
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: He does everything. I mean, he can make plays at

572
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Speaker 1: every level and he makes them consistently, and he's done

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Speaker 1: that for three straight years. One more, I thought it

574
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: was kind of a a really neat moment a couple

575
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: maybe ten days ago, and they asked Nick Foles about

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Speaker 1: your situation, and Nick thinks so highly of you, And

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00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: then you think so highly of Nick, you know, And

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Speaker 1: I'm on the air and I'm like, uh, I said,

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Speaker 1: these guys like, let's just get it together. Okay, let's

580
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: have the reunion too, or let's not waste any time.

581
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: They both love each other. And then you know, somebody

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00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:52,239
Speaker 1: came on my show and they said, you know, you

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00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: want to respect your quarterback, but you know you got

584
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Speaker 1: to win games in this league. Was the Nick Foles

585
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Speaker 1: talk real? Your admiration for him, his for you, your

586
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: early schedule, Carson's injury, we know the relationship, we know

587
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: the Philly story. Is that a walking on eggshells thing

588
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: for you? Are you comfortable with it? Where do you

589
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: land on that? Yeah? I'm real comfortable with it. I'm

590
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: really comfortable with gushing about a player and person that

591
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,479
Speaker 1: I think very highly about. So all the things that

592
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: I say are real and authentic, and I feel those guys,

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00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: and I feel them and I root for Nick incredibly hard.

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Speaker 1: You know. Right now, going back to our earlier comment,

595
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: is you know he plays his under contract with the Bears,

596
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: and we have two guys and three guys, three of

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00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: the guys in camp who are making progress. And so

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Speaker 1: I don't know any other way to deal with it

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00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: other than to, you know, respect the process and allow

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Speaker 1: you know, I think we all think the best case scenarios.

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00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: You know, grow your draft guys, you develop them, they're

602
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: ready to go. So I think you have to give

603
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 1: things time, but you have to trust the process, and

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Speaker 1: that's what we're doing. Great having you on, Frank, total pro,

605
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: easy guy to root for. I know you're busy, always

606
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: appreciate opportunities to talk to smart guys, and I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Thanks thanks for having me on, Frank Reich. Good stuff.

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