WEBVTT - Less Talk, More Rock: The Krupp Diamond

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<v Speaker 1>Ridiculous Crime. It's a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Zern Elizabeth Larren, Yes, Elizabeth, are you doing hey? Oh

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<v Speaker 2>you're over there? Yes, Elizabeth any here? Yes, I'm right here.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you doing? Girl?

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<v Speaker 3>Hey? Listen, I'm above ground and getting paid.

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<v Speaker 2>Nice.

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<v Speaker 3>That's all I care about.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to get like you.

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<v Speaker 3>That's that's my answer. When people ask how you doing

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<v Speaker 3>above ground and getting paid?

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<v Speaker 2>There you go. It's all you can ask. It's all

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<v Speaker 2>you can ask.

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<v Speaker 3>Literally, do you know what's ridiculous?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I'm so glad you asked me. I have an idea.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just going to give to Hollywood for free.

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<v Speaker 3>I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Right, this is totally ridiculous. So you know Santa

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<v Speaker 2>Monica High, Yes, SAMO Yeah right, SAMO Hi. So there's

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of people who are all born like in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixty four and sixty five, who were all together

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<v Speaker 2>at SAMO High.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's basically if you think about when they would

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<v Speaker 2>have been in high school, it's the early eighties, like

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<v Speaker 2>eighty eighty one, eighty two. So these are all classmates

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<v Speaker 2>at sam O. Hi. Ready for this? Yeah, Robert Downey Junior. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>Emelio Westevez, Charlie Sheen right on, Penn Chris Penn, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Rob Low, Yeah, Michael Bay, the director, Holly Robinson, Pete

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<v Speaker 2>and Man, Lenny Kravitz, Am Leonard. Yeah, this is like

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<v Speaker 2>a real eighties movie. You just have you can just

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<v Speaker 2>tell their story, just imagine it. Boom.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you know, I've watched the Charlie Sheen documentary.

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<v Speaker 2>IP is right there, it's right there.

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<v Speaker 3>I watched the Charlie Sheen documentary and he talks about

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<v Speaker 3>like growing up with the pen and like I don't

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<v Speaker 3>remember if Rob Low, rob Yeah, but yeah, it's crazy,

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<v Speaker 3>like when you think about that whole you know, Santa Monica,

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<v Speaker 3>Malibu crowd at all time.

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<v Speaker 2>And also you could do a sequel with Maya Rudolph,

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<v Speaker 2>Gwyneth Paltrow and Jack Black, who were also like they

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<v Speaker 2>were born in seventy one to seventy two around that age. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so there are a couple of years behind obviously, but

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<v Speaker 2>Gwyneth and uh, Maya Rudolph were best friends since the

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<v Speaker 2>age of seven, so they were friends in high school

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<v Speaker 2>you're kidding, Oh yeah, and then Maya Rudolph had a

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<v Speaker 2>crush on Jack Black and so she would like follow

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<v Speaker 2>him around. He talked her in to take in the

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<v Speaker 2>improv class, then then gets her into Groundlings, and then

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<v Speaker 2>launches her career in comedy because she had a crush

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<v Speaker 2>on Jack Black. Yeah, I love so there you go.

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<v Speaker 2>You got the sequel right there.

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<v Speaker 3>You got the wrong com you did it, you did it.

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<v Speaker 2>And that ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>That's so ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>Imagine them, classmates.

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<v Speaker 3>I love it. That is ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought you didn't. Ridiculous And it's free Hollywood. Take it. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a previous ip.

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<v Speaker 3>You want to know what else is ridiculous?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness, you know that. I lived for that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what keeps me above ground and getting paid.

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<v Speaker 3>Wearing diamonds and a sombrero.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>This is ridiculous Crime A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers.

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<v Speaker 3>Heis and cons It's always ninety nine percent murder free

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<v Speaker 3>and one hundred percent ridiculous. Take that to the bank, Yes, please,

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<v Speaker 3>here's my deposital slip. The late actress Elizabeth Taylor.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I've heard of her with the purple eyes.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, she's associated with many things, those violet eyes. Violet sorry,

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<v Speaker 3>very specific film roles.

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<v Speaker 2>Sounds so much better than purple eyes.

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<v Speaker 3>Purple eye, it's a condition, and that's like elevated.

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<v Speaker 2>You need to see a specialists.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh honey. Yeah, film roles like Cleopatra and Cleopatrick Jones.

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<v Speaker 2>That was more surprising.

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<v Speaker 3>Her tumultuous love life Richard Burton.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then also like the Larry the construction guy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Oh my god, that's right. And then her friendship

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<v Speaker 3>with Michael Jackson.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, and Marlon Branda. They're like a triangle. We're intense.

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<v Speaker 3>But one of the big associations that people have with

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<v Speaker 3>O Liz is jewelry.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, yes, this is true.

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<v Speaker 3>She loved jewelry and she even called her perfume white diamonds.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. I know that from Christmas time.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, those ads on TV where she's all soft focused

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<v Speaker 3>and then like has some off the shoulder number.

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<v Speaker 2>On like a quarter like a millimeter of vesseling on

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<v Speaker 2>the lens and she's got like night grade lighting and

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<v Speaker 2>some white puffy dress.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think you ever you ever huffed on that

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<v Speaker 3>white diamonds, You ever smelled.

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<v Speaker 2>That the perfume? I know, I've known some older ladies. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>you wear you.

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<v Speaker 3>Wear that, buddy. I don't think I've ever smelled it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, No, I worked at a retirement home.

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<v Speaker 3>Like diamonds.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it smells like wealth and luxury.

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<v Speaker 3>That's nice.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know some perfume smell like money. Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 2>smells like you know.

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<v Speaker 3>Wealthy or Janel Kashmir smells like money.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go.

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<v Speaker 3>When I say she collected jewelry though, I mean Mama

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<v Speaker 3>collected jewelry really. Yeah. She didn't just do it for

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<v Speaker 3>monetary or aesthetic value, but because of like the emotions

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<v Speaker 3>and the relationships and the stories into crystal behind probably

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<v Speaker 3>behind each piece. She wrote a book called My Love

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<v Speaker 3>Affair with Jewelry.

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<v Speaker 2>It's right in the cover, she.

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<v Speaker 3>Described Jules's quote a way of remembering life's great loves, moments,

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<v Speaker 3>and experiences jewelry Yeah, which I mean, I suppose is

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<v Speaker 3>true if you live the kind of life where like

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<v Speaker 3>gems and jewels are involved.

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<v Speaker 2>In the mere giving jeweled gifts. Yeah, I remember that.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember that it was the perfect cheese boo on

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<v Speaker 3>the deck and I was emeralds. Yeah, I mean, like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, it's just so seet these things, the emeralds

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<v Speaker 3>wearing emeralds. You know, the moments, moments in her life

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<v Speaker 3>in anybody's life, the perfect cheeseburger. Many of her famous

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<v Speaker 3>jewels came as gifts, as you were saying, from the

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<v Speaker 3>men in her life, especially Richard Burton and then also

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<v Speaker 3>Mike Todd and others. For her, like every gem was

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<v Speaker 3>this tangible reminder of love. Milestones' reconciliations.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm so wrong. I love your baby. You can't

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<v Speaker 2>leave me, baby, he is eighteen diamonds baby, miss Musk.

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<v Speaker 3>She once said that Burton gave her quote the most

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<v Speaker 3>extravagant gifts, but always with the story. Every kiss begins

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<v Speaker 3>with k. The stories she has a friend in the

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<v Speaker 3>diamond business. Stories mattered just as much as the stones did. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>someone like gems, not the rolling stones.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I got that.

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<v Speaker 3>So she she grew up her did.

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<v Speaker 2>You say gemstones, I'm gonna be totally confused. The righteous ones, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>those are the ones.

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<v Speaker 3>Her mom had jewels. She was like, it was the family. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>She had an expectation of like I want you, and

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<v Speaker 2>she's like.

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<v Speaker 3>Those look really pretty, thank you. And then she also

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<v Speaker 3>was so into Hollywood glamour and that's you knows a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of jewels there. So by the nineteen fifties she

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<v Speaker 3>was already like everyone knew, Elizabeth Taylor is all about diamonds.

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<v Speaker 2>And Harry Winston. Number of yes.

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<v Speaker 3>She called jewelry her quote drug of choice and yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and this was like excitement for her but also comfort,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, when she had these like difficult marriages and

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<v Speaker 3>her careers going up and down. She loved jewels with

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<v Speaker 3>like long provenance. So she had one La Peregrina pearl

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<v Speaker 3>that had been owned by Spanish queens marry the first

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<v Speaker 3>of England. She had the taj Mahal diamond pendant, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>So all of these things were just like she loved

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<v Speaker 3>to like have the history.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you like more than diamonds. She like rubies and

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<v Speaker 2>sapphires too, She liked diamonds.

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<v Speaker 3>She liked diamonds were like at the top of the pyramid.

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<v Speaker 3>She didn't keep them locked away. She wore her jewels

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<v Speaker 3>constantly for they felt like connected to her with the

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<v Speaker 3>history part of this larger story. She really believed that

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<v Speaker 3>jewelry was to be worn and enjoyed, like don't don't

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<v Speaker 3>hide it away.

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<v Speaker 2>Put your diamonds under a bushel exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>She was wearing like huge diamonds to lunches, film sets,

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<v Speaker 3>just around the house.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so she would have really gone well with like

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<v Speaker 2>NFL wide receivers. Yes, they would be like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like when you sitting there and you get like a

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<v Speaker 2>hair cut in it because you turn to I hate that.

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<v Speaker 3>And they would all talk about how there's no better

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<v Speaker 3>way to compliment your busy on the go lifestyles and

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<v Speaker 3>shine and what if she had I wish she had

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<v Speaker 3>lived long enough to have a grill, a diamond grill.

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<v Speaker 2>How do you know she didn't.

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<v Speaker 3>It's true. There's a lot we don't know about her.

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<v Speaker 2>Michael Jackson, who was a crip, might have given her one.

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<v Speaker 3>It's true. Michael Jackson was a crip.

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<v Speaker 2>I look that up.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I saw that today. He's straight crippin anyway, So

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<v Speaker 3>she's like, you know, you gotta wear this stuff. You

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<v Speaker 3>gotta live your life, totally live your life. So towards

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<v Speaker 3>the end of her life that she had lived, she

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to use that collection to make like a charitable

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<v Speaker 3>legacy for herself. Interesting, so in twenty eleven Christie's As

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<v Speaker 3>she held an auction through Christie's for the benefit of

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<v Speaker 3>the Elizabeth Taylor Aids Foundation. And that was like so

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<v Speaker 3>that the lifetime like she would live on anyse things, so.

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<v Speaker 2>Bequeathed some of her like both her energy and her wealth.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, what were some of these jewels. We'll start

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<v Speaker 3>with La Peregrina wandering Royal pearl. So this was this.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a famous sixteenth century drop shaped natural pearl

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<v Speaker 3>that she had Cardier set in like this ruby diamond

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<v Speaker 3>and pearl necklace in nineteen seventy two. Thing. Yeah, And

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<v Speaker 3>so the pearl was found in the fifteen hundreds and

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<v Speaker 3>like like I said, the courts of Spain and England,

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<v Speaker 3>it was passed to the Dukes of Abercorn in the

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<v Speaker 3>nineteenth century, and then it went into the possession of

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<v Speaker 3>Richard Burton Liz Taylor loved. Yeah, he bought it in

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen sixty nine for around thirty seven thousand dollars and

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<v Speaker 3>he gave it to Taylor. That's like spending three hundred

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<v Speaker 3>and twenty five thousand dollars on it today.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, just outside of my price range.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I know, you're just so close. Let's save up

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<v Speaker 3>a little more. Check your couch cushions, good calls, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, might push yours in there.

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<v Speaker 3>I can swim, yeah, my NFTs. So she famously wore

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<v Speaker 3>this thing all the time and one time she's like

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<v Speaker 3>swamming around the house with them on and she thought

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<v Speaker 3>she lost it. There was a dog involved. But after

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<v Speaker 3>that so she had Cardier.

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<v Speaker 2>She had to wait like a couple of days until pasted.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh thank god.

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<v Speaker 3>They fixed it so that it wouldn't slip off, like

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<v Speaker 3>they reinforced the class that was sold in twenty eleven

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<v Speaker 3>at the AIDS Foundation charity sale for eleven point eight

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<v Speaker 3>million dollars. That's a world record price for a pearl

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<v Speaker 3>at the time. I bet eleven point eight million dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>Crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>So the next up we have the tea that, oh

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<v Speaker 3>sure it must We got the Taylor Burton diamond. That's

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<v Speaker 3>this like big pear shaped mama that cut by Harry

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<v Speaker 3>Winston and it was it was sixty eight carrots cut

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<v Speaker 3>down from a two hundred and forty one rough that

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<v Speaker 3>came out of South Africa, came out of the ground

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<v Speaker 3>thirteen sixty six. Yeah, that's true, that one. He Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>So Cardier won the sixty nineteen sixty nine auction for

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<v Speaker 3>the diamond just over a million, and they were like,

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<v Speaker 3>this will be known as the Cardier Diamond and so

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<v Speaker 3>then the next day Richard Burton comes in and buys

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<v Speaker 3>it from him, gives it to Elizabeth Taylor. She wore

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<v Speaker 3>it the nineteen seventy oscars on a special diamond necklace

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<v Speaker 3>to cover her trichyotomy scar. Oh interesting, and they were like,

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<v Speaker 3>this was now the Liz Taylor diamond in nineteen seventy nine. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>she sold it to help fund a hospital in Botswana.

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<v Speaker 2>Nine years wow.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but she sold it for five mil in nineteen yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and then it later got sold to this other dude.

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<v Speaker 3>So coming up batting third, we have the Bulgary Emerald suite.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. Sweet.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So that's like a brooch, slash, pendant, necklace, earrings, bracelet, ring.

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<v Speaker 3>It was all like put together in the nineteen sixties

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<v Speaker 3>from Burton, and that brooch doubled as her engagement jewel. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Was he like just constantly messing up or did he

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<v Speaker 2>also rocks?

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<v Speaker 3>I think why not? Why not?

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<v Speaker 2>Both?

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<v Speaker 3>I think he was like that's the ticket out of

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<v Speaker 3>the doghouse, over and over. That one sold at the

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<v Speaker 3>charity sale for six point five million. That you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the whole suite of it.

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<v Speaker 2>The full sweet gift. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>No, actually no, the pendant brooch did just the necklace

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<v Speaker 3>six point one mill the ring three point three mill

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<v Speaker 3>bracelet four million dollars, the earrings three point two millions.

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<v Speaker 2>This is crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>There's that taj Mahal heart shape pendant that was what

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<v Speaker 3>it sounds like a herd shaped table cut diamond that

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<v Speaker 3>Cardier put on a gold and ruby chain that was

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<v Speaker 3>from the.

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<v Speaker 2>Mughal court, oh like the India.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and that was Burton's fortieth birthday gift to Taylor

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<v Speaker 3>in nineteen seventy two forty It went into twenty eleven

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<v Speaker 3>eight point eight million.

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<v Speaker 2>She's traveling with this stuff, oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And wearing it all over the place, wearing it around

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<v Speaker 3>the house. But then there was like a there was

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<v Speaker 3>an issue with the sale because there was some dispute

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<v Speaker 3>over the provenance of that and either way, not everything

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<v Speaker 3>Richard Burton was up in that jewelry box. Mike Todd

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<v Speaker 3>gave her a diamond tiara, a tiara it was from

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<v Speaker 3>eighteen eighties. Yeah, she wore to the nineteen fifty seven Oscars.

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<v Speaker 3>She wore to movie premieres maybe like the supermarket, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know they were when that came on shopping twenty

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<v Speaker 3>eleven sale, they were like, this is going to get

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<v Speaker 3>like sixty to eighty thousand dollars. It went for four

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<v Speaker 3>point two million dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>Slightly off.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a little bit so. I mean that is when

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<v Speaker 3>it's like that had everything to do with the fact

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<v Speaker 3>that it was hers and not the actual like jewel value.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's crazy though, that she had that much like curb.

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<v Speaker 3>Appeal to see I see that every day is erin

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<v Speaker 3>do you when I see secretly sell your stuff on

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<v Speaker 3>Facebook Marketplace? I get a good one to two percent

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<v Speaker 3>increase in profit if I tell them it once belonged

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<v Speaker 3>to Ziggie Marley. You Okay, here's a fun one. The

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<v Speaker 3>Cardier Ruby sweet Ruby and diamond Cardier necklace. That's from

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<v Speaker 3>Mike Todd. He gave it to her while she was

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<v Speaker 3>swimming laps at their villa in the south of France.

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<v Speaker 2>How do you think do you think just like draped

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<v Speaker 2>it into the pool water like you're standing up.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I love when that happens to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, when I'm doing laps.

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<v Speaker 3>In my villain to France and some dude comes up

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<v Speaker 3>is all here, yeah yeah, so she's he's like, I'll

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<v Speaker 3>go you zoom, and so She's like, well, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>want to try it on, but there's no mirror at

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<v Speaker 3>the pool because you don't put glass by the pools.

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<v Speaker 3>Erin thought about it, so she checked her reflection in

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<v Speaker 3>the pool. She's like, this is beautiful, and then she

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<v Speaker 3>actually squealed with joy this is and then she pulled

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<v Speaker 3>him into the waters.

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<v Speaker 2>Real, yeah, fully dressed. That's when you know it's for real.

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<v Speaker 3>That's when you know it's for real. So, I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>she's got like all these like big dog ones, she's

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<v Speaker 3>got sapphires, she's got you know, some step more van

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<v Speaker 3>Cleef and arpels.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow. Yeah, I know they're.

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<v Speaker 3>Using terms like pave and bag edd and pendants. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I know. I don't know any of the stuff. Is

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<v Speaker 3>the ping pong diamonds ping pong? She and Richard Burton

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<v Speaker 3>were playing table tennis and gustad and he was like,

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<v Speaker 3>if you win, i'll give you a diamond, which is

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<v Speaker 3>like and then she won and he pulled out this

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<v Speaker 3>like what is called a tiny ring, but that I

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<v Speaker 3>couldn't find the weight of it, but I saw a

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<v Speaker 3>picture and it looks like an everyday modest engagement ring,

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<v Speaker 3>like not like, oh, a diamond chip, like maybe a

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<v Speaker 3>character to They're like so small you can barely see it,

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<v Speaker 3>so funny. These are the ping pong diamonds. So anyway,

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<v Speaker 3>all that aside, I haven't told you about the most

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<v Speaker 3>major of her gems. That one would be the Krupp

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<v Speaker 3>Diamond Crup Diamond thirty three point one nine carrots, which,

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<v Speaker 3>while enormous, yeah that's sizable, is still far smaller than

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<v Speaker 3>some of the big dogs in her collection.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's not their biggest diruct.

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<v Speaker 3>But this one's perfect, like it could be potentially internally

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<v Speaker 3>flawless by the scans and the facets.

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<v Speaker 2>You see all the facets.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, all all the ratchet, real clear. It's like nitrogen

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<v Speaker 3>freeze pure exceptionally colorless. There it is, jewel heads. It's

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<v Speaker 3>a d color vs one cut, cornered rectangular step cut diamond,

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<v Speaker 3>often called an astra cut.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for putting that in terms I understand.

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<v Speaker 3>Set in a ring flank by tapered bagatts. I love

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<v Speaker 3>bagettes in the morning kind with the light so good.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not A lot is known about the diamond's history

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<v Speaker 3>before the early twentieth century. There's thought that it was

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<v Speaker 3>unearthed from either South Africa's you know yaeger Font and

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<v Speaker 3>mine or one of the ones in India, like the

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<v Speaker 3>famous one there. But because of the way it's cut,

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<v Speaker 3>if they think that it was like cut in the

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen twenties, it's very art deco. I looked at it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a jaw dropper. Serious ice Now, the first famous

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<v Speaker 3>owner was Vera Krupp, Martha Vera Hassenfeld, later Countess Mellenkroct.

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<v Speaker 2>Like the German industrialist.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh huh. She is at the center of what I

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<v Speaker 3>want to tell you about today. Okay, the Liz Taylor

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<v Speaker 3>stuff was just me pouring the foundation of the driveway.

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<v Speaker 2>Get us to the Croup.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome you to the house that I'm building, the House

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<v Speaker 3>of Croup, the House of Crop. Little reference, little context,

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit of fun information.

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<v Speaker 2>I learned so much.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, did taking a look at how the other

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<v Speaker 3>half lives?

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<v Speaker 2>Are They doing well?

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<v Speaker 3>In excess, that's how they live. But it's Vera Krupp

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<v Speaker 3>who holds the keys here. I want to pause for

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<v Speaker 3>some ads, slip into some jewels, and when we come.

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<v Speaker 2>Back, krup zaren Elizabeth.

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<v Speaker 3>I regaled you with tales of Elizabeth Taylor's jewelry collection.

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<v Speaker 2>You brought the temperature of the room down a couple

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<v Speaker 2>degrees with all that.

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<v Speaker 3>Cool, all that ice. Yeah, it's just And I mentioned

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<v Speaker 3>the Crep diamond. Do you remember when I said that

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<v Speaker 3>towards the end? It was originally owned by Vera Krup

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<v Speaker 3>via Crup. And I know what you're thinking, because I

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<v Speaker 3>can read your mind. Who intarnation is via Crup.

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<v Speaker 2>That's incredible.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm glad I read you write.

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<v Speaker 2>Down to the Tarnation.

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<v Speaker 3>No, thank you, let's do this. What if I suddenly

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<v Speaker 3>performed a rap about her? It's just a thought I

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<v Speaker 3>had of you. I know, it just like came into

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<v Speaker 3>my head, Like what if there was a pause and

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<v Speaker 3>I just started rapping, Like what if I were someone

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<v Speaker 3>who just breaks into wraps every now and then, like

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<v Speaker 3>a less annoying linn men Brandon. What if that was me? Anyway?

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<v Speaker 3>Vera so Vera She was born Martha Vera villem Heim.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know whatever sounds good, felt Hawson felt incorporated.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, we're going to do.

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<v Speaker 3>In mine Germany. Mine, it's mine.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, just mine yours.

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<v Speaker 3>She later worked in German film under the stage name

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<v Speaker 3>Vera von Langen. She became a naturalized US citizen in

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen forty seven. Good time, good time, right whatever, honey,

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<v Speaker 3>it gets better. So before her marriage to the steel

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<v Speaker 3>magnet Alfried Kroup, she had married and divorced like three times,

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<v Speaker 3>and so she had all these surnames von Langen, Wisbarnur

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<v Speaker 3>that appear in all her records. She's kind of like

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<v Speaker 3>a j she's like a minnie Liz Taylor.

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<v Speaker 2>About that too, Thank you, good point.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean I put it out there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I know why I could have knocked it.

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<v Speaker 2>I turned my back missed it entirely.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know what, anytime we can measure mentioned the

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<v Speaker 3>old jag.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I love her.

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<v Speaker 3>Nineteen fifty five, okay, vera, she bought this ranch near

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<v Speaker 3>Las Vegas.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, good time to do that.

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<v Speaker 3>She ran cattle, I'm serious, white faced Hereford's and Brahmas.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a gentlewoman ranch.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes. She expanded and remodeled the main like Sandstone residents,

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<v Speaker 3>added a guesthouse, some sheds, you gotta do that, a

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<v Speaker 3>kennel for her great danes, oh goodness, and like you know,

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<v Speaker 3>it was just all fitted out.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's starting to come together.

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<v Speaker 3>It's making sense now, Alfred. He was not permitted to

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<v Speaker 3>enter the United States. So the marriage largely unfolded apart,

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<v Speaker 3>and they divorced in nineteen fifty seven.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Vera lived at the ranch until like nineteen sixty four.

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<v Speaker 3>But here, let's back up a second. Wait, why couldn't

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<v Speaker 3>Alfred Croup enter the country.

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<v Speaker 2>German steel magnet in nineteen four?

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<v Speaker 3>Let me tell you about, oh Alfreed. He was born

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<v Speaker 3>in Essen in nineteen oh seven, and as you can

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<v Speaker 3>guess from his last name, he was a member of

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<v Speaker 3>the Krup family.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh tell me more, big rich family.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's a four hundred year old German dynasty. They

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<v Speaker 3>are involved in steel.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and weapon the type of magnet that I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>a fan.

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<v Speaker 3>Of, correct magnates.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, right.

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<v Speaker 3>It all started in fifteen eighty seven with these men. Wow, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>aren't Croup? He moved to Essen, he joined them.

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<v Speaker 2>Being rich for centuries, we're good at it.

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<v Speaker 3>He joined the merchants Guild, and then like slowly but truly,

0:21:30.840 --> 0:21:33.160
<v Speaker 3>he amassed money and eventually he was able to buy

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<v Speaker 3>and sell real estate, and then before long he's like

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<v Speaker 3>one of the richest guys in the city. So, like

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<v Speaker 3>his children and grandchildren on down the line, they got

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<v Speaker 3>into the business of.

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<v Speaker 2>Small guns, small guns, a little ones, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And those like those used in the Thirty Years War.

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<v Speaker 2>So that was really the good time to be selling

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<v Speaker 2>guns the what we like to call the European war centries.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes exactly, they had mills, mines, forges during the Napoleonic Wars.

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<v Speaker 3>They did bang up business and they attended.

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<v Speaker 2>Being a weapons steeler, m Steeler.

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<v Speaker 3>Their patriarch at that time, Patrick Croup, he started smelted

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<v Speaker 3>steel production in eighteen sixteen and that was a game changer.

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<v Speaker 3>So now the company's like this major industrial player and

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<v Speaker 3>then pretty soon they would have what can only be

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<v Speaker 3>described as like a steel empire and the family they

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<v Speaker 3>went into large scale arms manufacturing for the Kingdom of

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<v Speaker 3>Prussia in eighteen fifty nine. Germany, yeah, later the German

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<v Speaker 3>Empire World War One. They're the ones who made big Bertha.

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<v Speaker 2>Really yeah, that's the something to do with making the Bismarck.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, why not, why not steel?

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<v Speaker 3>I'll say so we're going to fast forward to Alfried.

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<v Speaker 3>His godfather was Kaiser Wilhelm the second what Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>he was like a keen yachtsman.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact he was.

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<v Speaker 3>He won an Olympic bronze as part of Germany's eight

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<v Speaker 3>meter crew in the nineteen thirty six Berlin Games.

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<v Speaker 2>A big game.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and by the time of the family business, the

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<v Speaker 3>operation was massive. So in nineteen forty three his name

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<v Speaker 3>was Alfried Krup van Bohlen und Halbach. He followed his

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<v Speaker 3>father Gustav as chairman of the board of directors of

0:23:19.480 --> 0:23:23.920
<v Speaker 3>what was then called fried Krup ag Friedrich. In order

0:23:23.960 --> 0:23:28.320
<v Speaker 3>for this to happen, this guy, Adolf Hitler, he issued

0:23:28.359 --> 0:23:29.120
<v Speaker 3>something called.

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<v Speaker 2>Lex Kroup in politics, right.

0:23:31.040 --> 0:23:35.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he was a special decree that converted the company

0:23:35.160 --> 0:23:38.959
<v Speaker 3>from a stock corporation into a family enterprise, so that

0:23:39.000 --> 0:23:42.199
<v Speaker 3>the business and the Krupp name would pass to a

0:23:42.240 --> 0:23:45.399
<v Speaker 3>single heir, Alfried. So he ditched all the other parts

0:23:45.440 --> 0:23:47.840
<v Speaker 3>of his name and then he just had Krupp, Krup,

0:23:47.880 --> 0:23:50.040
<v Speaker 3>Krupp c k r Upp.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Crupp. That's how I always I don't.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, okay, So I should mention that at this point

0:23:57.080 --> 0:24:00.480
<v Speaker 3>Fried Krupp was one of the biggest suppliers of armaments

0:24:00.480 --> 0:24:01.320
<v Speaker 3>to Nazi Germany.

0:24:01.400 --> 0:24:04.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, surprise, the arms dealer that was it. It's like,

0:24:04.200 --> 0:24:04.679
<v Speaker 2>what do you do?

0:24:04.920 --> 0:24:10.040
<v Speaker 3>I make Nazi weapons under Nazi rule? They profited from

0:24:10.160 --> 0:24:16.480
<v Speaker 3>armaments like exploitation and occupied territories, extensive use of forced labor.

0:24:16.560 --> 0:24:17.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, the names.

0:24:18.000 --> 0:24:21.840
<v Speaker 3>And in fact, after the war, the US Military Tribunal

0:24:21.880 --> 0:24:27.120
<v Speaker 3>at Nuremberg conducted the separate crub case US versus.

0:24:26.920 --> 0:24:29.760
<v Speaker 2>Krupp at all probably had a lot to talk about tons.

0:24:29.800 --> 0:24:33.080
<v Speaker 3>It was the thick notebook, big files. In July of

0:24:33.160 --> 0:24:37.480
<v Speaker 3>nineteen forty eight, Alfred was convicted on counts including crimes

0:24:37.480 --> 0:24:41.600
<v Speaker 3>against humanity. That's a big one, use of slave labor, plunder.

0:24:42.920 --> 0:24:44.200
<v Speaker 3>What are you in for? Plunder?

0:24:47.600 --> 0:24:50.679
<v Speaker 2>Charged with it wasn't a pirate, it wasn't a Viking.

0:24:51.440 --> 0:24:54.240
<v Speaker 3>So he gets twelve years, has to forfeit his property.

0:24:54.800 --> 0:24:59.600
<v Speaker 3>Nineteen fifty one US High Commissioner John J. McCloy granted

0:24:59.640 --> 0:25:02.720
<v Speaker 3>and and see what yeah, And then he was released

0:25:02.720 --> 0:25:05.800
<v Speaker 3>from Landsburg Prison. A year later he marries Vera.

0:25:06.240 --> 0:25:08.080
<v Speaker 2>So he still had plenty on once he got out.

0:25:08.160 --> 0:25:11.120
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah. In nineteen fifty three, there was this agreement

0:25:11.119 --> 0:25:16.640
<v Speaker 3>where his confiscated assets were returned subject to Allied conditions.

0:25:17.080 --> 0:25:20.119
<v Speaker 3>And that meant notably that the separation of the sale

0:25:20.320 --> 0:25:23.400
<v Speaker 3>and certain mining and steel holdings.

0:25:23.440 --> 0:25:26.520
<v Speaker 2>So they wanted him to like sell their to sell

0:25:26.560 --> 0:25:28.160
<v Speaker 2>the mines off and then he can keep the rest

0:25:28.160 --> 0:25:30.120
<v Speaker 2>of her own kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, so give

0:25:30.160 --> 0:25:32.600
<v Speaker 2>us the natural resources, We'll let you keep your binary.

0:25:32.720 --> 0:25:35.160
<v Speaker 3>Nineteen fifty three, he becomes head of Krepp again.

0:25:35.840 --> 0:25:36.080
<v Speaker 2>It's like.

0:25:37.560 --> 0:25:40.679
<v Speaker 3>It says, if nothing happened, I mentioned that. You know,

0:25:40.760 --> 0:25:43.320
<v Speaker 3>obviously he's not permitted in the US because and that

0:25:43.400 --> 0:25:46.280
<v Speaker 3>was because of his war crimes conviction, that little thing.

0:25:46.640 --> 0:25:49.480
<v Speaker 3>But there's Verra right live in her best life in Vegas.

0:25:49.560 --> 0:25:53.080
<v Speaker 3>Nineteen fifty five, the year before she divorced her Nazi husband,

0:25:53.320 --> 0:25:56.800
<v Speaker 3>she bought the ranch. She's like, I love the States.

0:25:56.840 --> 0:25:59.919
<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry you can't join me, but I don't want.

0:25:59.760 --> 0:26:02.360
<v Speaker 2>To here Southwest. The climate is perfect.

0:26:02.400 --> 0:26:06.080
<v Speaker 3>The light is incredible, I can breathe. And so she

0:26:06.080 --> 0:26:09.680
<v Speaker 3>she bought the bar Nothing ranch from Chester luc who

0:26:09.680 --> 0:26:13.560
<v Speaker 3>played Lum of the Lum and Abner radio team. And

0:26:13.640 --> 0:26:15.439
<v Speaker 3>so the ranch was like at the foot of the

0:26:15.480 --> 0:26:18.639
<v Speaker 3>east side of Mount Charleston, which is like twenty miles

0:26:18.640 --> 0:26:22.439
<v Speaker 3>from the peak where observers sat to witness atomic tests

0:26:22.440 --> 0:26:25.280
<v Speaker 3>at the Nevada test site. Okay, and so it also

0:26:25.400 --> 0:26:28.880
<v Speaker 3>looked directly over the Las Vegas Strip, and she renamed

0:26:28.920 --> 0:26:32.200
<v Speaker 3>it Spring Mountain Ranch, which is now a district in

0:26:32.280 --> 0:26:36.240
<v Speaker 3>Vegas Spring Mountain. So she paid three hundred and thirty

0:26:36.240 --> 0:26:40.760
<v Speaker 3>two thousand dollars for the ranch, yeah, which today is

0:26:40.760 --> 0:26:43.560
<v Speaker 3>like four million. Oh ok, and it's so it's got

0:26:43.600 --> 0:26:47.719
<v Speaker 3>this like swanky ranch house. It has more than eleven

0:26:47.800 --> 0:26:52.320
<v Speaker 3>hundred acres of land, plus grazing rights on a quarter

0:26:52.400 --> 0:26:55.600
<v Speaker 3>of a million acres owned by the federal government. So

0:26:55.640 --> 0:26:58.320
<v Speaker 3>she had like the Clive and Bundy without.

0:26:58.040 --> 0:26:59.679
<v Speaker 2>The without the shoots.

0:26:59.680 --> 0:27:02.359
<v Speaker 3>You. So, a bunch of movies had been filmed at

0:27:02.359 --> 0:27:03.280
<v Speaker 3>this place over the years.

0:27:03.320 --> 0:27:03.960
<v Speaker 2>I was wondering.

0:27:04.200 --> 0:27:06.800
<v Speaker 3>It was quite the spot and it was isolated to

0:27:06.840 --> 0:27:10.280
<v Speaker 3>be sure, but like, yeah, Ford loved it. I'm sure

0:27:10.280 --> 0:27:14.080
<v Speaker 3>of it. Probably. So around this time she'd also been

0:27:14.119 --> 0:27:16.920
<v Speaker 3>involved with the development of a place called a New

0:27:16.920 --> 0:27:21.359
<v Speaker 3>Frontier Hotel in Vegas. So she and a swimming pool

0:27:21.400 --> 0:27:25.560
<v Speaker 3>contractor out of Los Angeles named Louis Mansion m A

0:27:25.760 --> 0:27:29.320
<v Speaker 3>N H O N Mansion swimming pool contract So I

0:27:29.400 --> 0:27:31.240
<v Speaker 3>had to put it in there. It was like cruise

0:27:31.240 --> 0:27:34.800
<v Speaker 3>ship magician swimming pool contractor. They're trying to get a

0:27:34.800 --> 0:27:38.000
<v Speaker 3>casino off the ground, and the effort it only lasted

0:27:38.040 --> 0:27:39.760
<v Speaker 3>a few months before they had to give it up

0:27:39.760 --> 0:27:43.239
<v Speaker 3>and sell it off to another group of stockholders. But

0:27:43.280 --> 0:27:49.280
<v Speaker 3>those few months totally they racked up tons of lawsuits

0:27:49.320 --> 0:27:54.000
<v Speaker 3>about like broken contracts, money owed, unpaid taxes. Oh yeah,

0:27:54.040 --> 0:27:56.800
<v Speaker 3>and like reading between the lines in all of the

0:27:56.840 --> 0:28:02.280
<v Speaker 3>contemporaneous reporting, it sounds like me maybe Louis was her boyfriend,

0:28:03.240 --> 0:28:05.160
<v Speaker 3>and then he kind of convinced her to go into

0:28:05.160 --> 0:28:09.639
<v Speaker 3>this business venture that wasn't a casino. Yeah, you got money,

0:28:09.040 --> 0:28:12.440
<v Speaker 3>I love I could design. Yeah, and it's not really

0:28:12.440 --> 0:28:15.600
<v Speaker 3>thought out very well. I think someone else reading between

0:28:15.640 --> 0:28:20.760
<v Speaker 3>the lines like that was missus Manson. Yeah, hold that

0:28:20.880 --> 0:28:25.360
<v Speaker 3>thought so vera. She divorced the Nazi in nineteen fifty six, Yeah,

0:28:25.480 --> 0:28:28.800
<v Speaker 3>finalized the next year. She'd originally asked for five million

0:28:28.840 --> 0:28:31.879
<v Speaker 3>in the divorce settlement. That's like asking for sixty million today.

0:28:32.080 --> 0:28:33.520
<v Speaker 2>It's more than I've ever asked for. So I don't

0:28:33.520 --> 0:28:33.760
<v Speaker 2>even know.

0:28:34.000 --> 0:28:36.080
<v Speaker 3>Well, I asked for it every day nothing happens. But

0:28:36.160 --> 0:28:38.920
<v Speaker 3>then I guess the Nazi was really like fighting her

0:28:38.960 --> 0:28:41.720
<v Speaker 3>on it. So she gave up the quest for five mil.

0:28:41.800 --> 0:28:44.960
<v Speaker 3>But she still got a ton, So I don't know.

0:28:45.080 --> 0:28:46.960
<v Speaker 3>She got some huge chunk of change. I'm not sure

0:28:46.960 --> 0:28:49.360
<v Speaker 3>how much but as soon as she filed for divorce,

0:28:49.520 --> 0:28:53.960
<v Speaker 3>Missus Mansion filed suit against Verra, claiming what the papers

0:28:53.960 --> 0:29:00.280
<v Speaker 3>were calling, quote love theft, alienation of affection, but all

0:29:00.280 --> 0:29:04.200
<v Speaker 3>the papers called it love theft. Yeah, so the missus

0:29:04.520 --> 0:29:07.480
<v Speaker 3>she wanted three hundred thousand dollars for her troubles after

0:29:07.560 --> 0:29:10.840
<v Speaker 3>she said Vera used her like German siren songs to

0:29:10.960 --> 0:29:14.000
<v Speaker 3>lure Louisa. I don't know what became of that suit

0:29:14.040 --> 0:29:15.920
<v Speaker 3>because it's just like all over the papers that she

0:29:16.040 --> 0:29:19.240
<v Speaker 3>filed it. It was going to go to court. Nothing

0:29:19.320 --> 0:29:22.800
<v Speaker 3>after that, probably, and I wish the misses well.

0:29:22.800 --> 0:29:23.760
<v Speaker 2>That didn't make the papers.

0:29:24.160 --> 0:29:28.280
<v Speaker 3>No, But so there's Vera back at the ranch. Meanwhile,

0:29:28.480 --> 0:29:30.800
<v Speaker 3>back at the ranch, it is a cool place, huge

0:29:30.840 --> 0:29:33.120
<v Speaker 3>ranch house like rustic but still posh.

0:29:33.200 --> 0:29:34.760
<v Speaker 2>You know, I'll take it.

0:29:34.840 --> 0:29:39.000
<v Speaker 3>Let's go there, Zarin, close your eyes. Oh yeah, I

0:29:39.040 --> 0:29:50.440
<v Speaker 3>want you to picture it. You are Harold Brotherson and

0:29:50.480 --> 0:29:53.560
<v Speaker 3>you are a ranch hand at Spring Mountain Ranch. It's

0:29:53.720 --> 0:29:57.000
<v Speaker 3>great work, all of the cowboys stuff without too much

0:29:57.000 --> 0:30:00.320
<v Speaker 3>of the grit or discomfort. You want for nothing at

0:30:00.320 --> 0:30:03.040
<v Speaker 3>this place. You have all the best equipment, You've got

0:30:03.040 --> 0:30:05.959
<v Speaker 3>your own little cottage on the property. You are treated well.

0:30:06.520 --> 0:30:10.040
<v Speaker 3>Best gig a guy could ask for. It's April tenth,

0:30:10.280 --> 0:30:13.680
<v Speaker 3>nineteen fifty nine. You and the owner of the ranch,

0:30:13.800 --> 0:30:17.480
<v Speaker 3>Vera Krupp, are just finishing up dinner. You're looking forward

0:30:17.480 --> 0:30:21.360
<v Speaker 3>to retiring to your cottage to read and rest. Vera's

0:30:21.360 --> 0:30:24.840
<v Speaker 3>a character and a great boss. As the housekeeper places

0:30:24.880 --> 0:30:27.080
<v Speaker 3>the dishes in the sink and then excuses herself to

0:30:27.080 --> 0:30:29.640
<v Speaker 3>go lie down, you look over at Vera and take

0:30:29.680 --> 0:30:33.520
<v Speaker 3>stock of her. She's a handsome, good looking woman, always

0:30:33.520 --> 0:30:37.080
<v Speaker 3>put together, has that funny accent, and always wears that

0:30:37.280 --> 0:30:40.800
<v Speaker 3>giant diamond ring of hers, never takes it off. You're

0:30:40.840 --> 0:30:42.560
<v Speaker 3>about to get up from the table and head out

0:30:42.560 --> 0:30:44.840
<v Speaker 3>to your cottage when you hear tires crunching on the

0:30:44.880 --> 0:30:48.680
<v Speaker 3>gravel drive outside. You see headlights brightened the windows in

0:30:48.720 --> 0:30:50.920
<v Speaker 3>the living room. Then there's a knock at the back door.

0:30:51.600 --> 0:30:52.480
<v Speaker 2>Vera jumps up.

0:30:52.440 --> 0:30:55.080
<v Speaker 3>And walks across the kitchen to the door. She calls

0:30:55.080 --> 0:30:58.600
<v Speaker 3>out through the sidelights. Who is it. A man's voice

0:30:58.600 --> 0:31:01.040
<v Speaker 3>says he's a road contract. He wants to ask her

0:31:01.080 --> 0:31:04.239
<v Speaker 3>about paving the driveway you've just been talking about this

0:31:04.320 --> 0:31:08.400
<v Speaker 3>last week. Humph. Vera shrugs and unlocks the door, opening

0:31:08.400 --> 0:31:11.040
<v Speaker 3>it up to the cool spring night. The man doesn't

0:31:11.040 --> 0:31:13.240
<v Speaker 3>wait on the stoop to chat. He takes a large

0:31:13.240 --> 0:31:15.640
<v Speaker 3>step into the house with two men right behind him.

0:31:16.080 --> 0:31:18.360
<v Speaker 3>You're standing by the table when they draw their guns

0:31:18.360 --> 0:31:21.600
<v Speaker 3>and shove Vera onto the kitchen floor. One heads your

0:31:21.640 --> 0:31:23.640
<v Speaker 3>way and grabs you by the arm, throwing you to

0:31:23.680 --> 0:31:26.520
<v Speaker 3>the ground as well. You don't fight or argue. The

0:31:26.560 --> 0:31:28.440
<v Speaker 3>guy has a gun and all you have is your

0:31:28.480 --> 0:31:32.040
<v Speaker 3>full belly. Your shotgun is in your cottage. One of

0:31:32.040 --> 0:31:34.640
<v Speaker 3>the henchmen grabs a lamp from the side table nearby

0:31:34.680 --> 0:31:37.000
<v Speaker 3>and yanks it from the wall. He then rips the

0:31:37.000 --> 0:31:39.920
<v Speaker 3>cord from the lamp. His colleague grabs your arms and

0:31:39.960 --> 0:31:43.640
<v Speaker 3>pulls them behind you, handcuffing your wrists. The first man

0:31:43.720 --> 0:31:46.120
<v Speaker 3>has a firm grip on Vera's arm. She's trying to

0:31:46.120 --> 0:31:48.360
<v Speaker 3>negotiate with him, tells him he doesn't have to do

0:31:48.440 --> 0:31:51.600
<v Speaker 3>this in silence. The man looks at Vera's hand and

0:31:51.640 --> 0:31:55.719
<v Speaker 3>sees the giant diamond. Sorry, Vera, he says. Then he

0:31:55.800 --> 0:31:58.480
<v Speaker 3>rips the ring from her finger, drawing blood along the way.

0:31:58.760 --> 0:32:01.880
<v Speaker 3>Vera whimpers. The man shoves the ring in his pocket

0:32:01.880 --> 0:32:04.480
<v Speaker 3>while his buddy winds the long lamp cord around you,

0:32:04.520 --> 0:32:06.959
<v Speaker 3>both shoving you back to back seated on the floor.

0:32:07.560 --> 0:32:10.640
<v Speaker 3>The third guy binds Vera's hands with rope. Each time

0:32:10.680 --> 0:32:13.520
<v Speaker 3>you're about to say something, Vera elbows you to keep quiet.

0:32:13.600 --> 0:32:16.760
<v Speaker 3>The three robbers now barrel through the house, opening cabinets,

0:32:16.800 --> 0:32:19.360
<v Speaker 3>dumping out drawers. You turn your head and look down

0:32:19.400 --> 0:32:21.720
<v Speaker 3>the hall and see them walking through the house with purpose,

0:32:22.160 --> 0:32:25.800
<v Speaker 3>like they know where everything is. Just as they arrived,

0:32:26.000 --> 0:32:29.000
<v Speaker 3>they're suddenly gone. You hear their truck roar to life

0:32:29.040 --> 0:32:32.800
<v Speaker 3>and tear down the driveway. Vera is calm in a

0:32:32.840 --> 0:32:35.840
<v Speaker 3>measured tone. She tells you that she's going to go

0:32:35.920 --> 0:32:38.640
<v Speaker 3>and get you both free. You can feel her wriggling

0:32:38.680 --> 0:32:41.320
<v Speaker 3>and working her wrists until the rope is loose and

0:32:41.400 --> 0:32:44.800
<v Speaker 3>her hands aliberated. She quickly unties the lamp cord and

0:32:44.840 --> 0:32:47.360
<v Speaker 3>jumps to her feet. She runs out the back door,

0:32:47.440 --> 0:32:50.720
<v Speaker 3>and then silence. Moments later, you hear her running back.

0:32:51.200 --> 0:32:53.080
<v Speaker 3>You turn to see that she's got a hack saw

0:32:53.080 --> 0:32:55.960
<v Speaker 3>in her hand. Hold still, she tells you, and then

0:32:56.000 --> 0:32:58.440
<v Speaker 3>she begins to quickly saw at the small chain of

0:32:58.440 --> 0:33:02.320
<v Speaker 3>your handcuffs. It takes a while, but Vera is determined

0:33:02.360 --> 0:33:05.080
<v Speaker 3>and soon you are free. You jump up and race

0:33:05.160 --> 0:33:07.560
<v Speaker 3>to the phone. It's battery powered. You can't get a

0:33:07.560 --> 0:33:11.320
<v Speaker 3>regular phone this far out of town. You lift the receiver. Nothing,

0:33:11.600 --> 0:33:15.000
<v Speaker 3>battery is dead. Let's go, Vera says, grabbing her keys

0:33:15.040 --> 0:33:18.200
<v Speaker 3>from a dish on a beautifully varnished piece of antique furniture.

0:33:18.640 --> 0:33:20.480
<v Speaker 3>If we can't get the cops to come to us,

0:33:20.840 --> 0:33:23.960
<v Speaker 3>vi'a go to the cops and with that, we'll take

0:33:24.000 --> 0:33:50.240
<v Speaker 3>a break. When we return the aftermath, we are back.

0:33:51.680 --> 0:33:55.080
<v Speaker 3>Look at me. I'm back baby. When we left off,

0:33:55.440 --> 0:33:59.760
<v Speaker 3>free dudes busted into Spring Mountain Ranch tied to Vera

0:34:00.080 --> 0:34:04.560
<v Speaker 3>and her ranch hand. They took cash, a revolver, a camera,

0:34:05.400 --> 0:34:08.320
<v Speaker 3>and the Krupp Diamond right offer for finger.

0:34:08.440 --> 0:34:09.200
<v Speaker 2>Good for them.

0:34:11.000 --> 0:34:13.359
<v Speaker 3>It was so tight that apparently she was like, let

0:34:13.400 --> 0:34:15.399
<v Speaker 3>me spit on it and it'll be easier to get off,

0:34:15.440 --> 0:34:17.960
<v Speaker 3>and they're like, no, no, no, time yanked it off.

0:34:17.960 --> 0:34:18.800
<v Speaker 3>It ripped her finger.

0:34:19.000 --> 0:34:20.200
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, I know so.

0:34:20.360 --> 0:34:24.160
<v Speaker 3>About the cash, the FBI website cites the figure at

0:34:24.239 --> 0:34:27.359
<v Speaker 3>seven hundred thousand dollars in cash just sitting around. That's

0:34:27.360 --> 0:34:30.799
<v Speaker 3>a lot of cash, especially at nineteen fifty nine. But

0:34:30.920 --> 0:34:34.880
<v Speaker 3>the newspaper reports immediately following the theft, in like tons

0:34:34.920 --> 0:34:37.520
<v Speaker 3>of papers, not all just one, you know, a wire

0:34:37.560 --> 0:34:41.360
<v Speaker 3>story all said seven hundred, which is way more reasonable.

0:34:41.520 --> 0:34:42.360
<v Speaker 2>Yes, definitely.

0:34:42.400 --> 0:34:44.960
<v Speaker 3>What I'm trying to say is that I am terribly

0:34:45.000 --> 0:34:48.160
<v Speaker 3>disappointed with the proofreading and or fact checking on the

0:34:48.200 --> 0:34:52.640
<v Speaker 3>FBI website. They're falling down on the job. Over there is.

0:34:52.719 --> 0:34:54.920
<v Speaker 2>A recent edition probably.

0:34:54.800 --> 0:35:00.600
<v Speaker 3>So Vera and Howard Brotherson. You they escaped, and he's

0:35:00.640 --> 0:35:03.640
<v Speaker 3>so good, he's the best ranch handerness. They drove down

0:35:03.680 --> 0:35:06.480
<v Speaker 3>the hill to the Las Vegas Airport and the sheriff

0:35:06.800 --> 0:35:10.360
<v Speaker 3>issued in all points bulletin as signed four deputies to

0:35:10.400 --> 0:35:13.160
<v Speaker 3>the case. It was like pretty obvious to most that

0:35:13.239 --> 0:35:16.600
<v Speaker 3>the men and the loot and the diamond long gone

0:35:16.600 --> 0:35:19.000
<v Speaker 3>across state lines. By this point, was.

0:35:19.200 --> 0:35:21.640
<v Speaker 2>Wondering what the escape plan would It had.

0:35:21.480 --> 0:35:24.560
<v Speaker 3>Been hours since the home invasion, and it's like they figured,

0:35:24.600 --> 0:35:27.480
<v Speaker 3>like state lines have been crossed, we better call the FBI.

0:35:28.200 --> 0:35:32.640
<v Speaker 3>And so yeah, and Vera's wealth and that ring they

0:35:32.640 --> 0:35:36.879
<v Speaker 3>weren't secrets by any stretch of the imagination. Oh yeah,

0:35:36.880 --> 0:35:40.080
<v Speaker 3>and people who lived in like Spring Valley area, they'd

0:35:40.120 --> 0:35:42.360
<v Speaker 3>seen her wearing it all over the place. She woren't

0:35:42.360 --> 0:35:45.840
<v Speaker 3>to the grocery store along with her standard outfit of

0:35:45.920 --> 0:35:50.560
<v Speaker 3>blue jeans and a sombrero. Really, this huge diamond, I

0:35:50.600 --> 0:35:54.320
<v Speaker 3>mean it's huge. Sure, I'm imagining like basically see thirty

0:35:54.920 --> 0:35:58.560
<v Speaker 3>carrot diamond, blue jeans and a sombrero to go to

0:35:58.640 --> 0:35:59.200
<v Speaker 3>the market.

0:36:00.120 --> 0:36:03.200
<v Speaker 2>It's a little high low mix in this epic and

0:36:03.280 --> 0:36:05.759
<v Speaker 2>I love it. I'm having fun picturing the sombre. I'm

0:36:05.760 --> 0:36:10.640
<v Speaker 2>picturing it like a nineteen seventies Mexican restaurant style sombrero. Large.

0:36:10.719 --> 0:36:15.240
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, that's what I'm saying. Mine's felts, not like woven.

0:36:15.440 --> 0:36:17.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, mine looks like it could hold chips for like

0:36:17.840 --> 0:36:18.520
<v Speaker 2>a good party.

0:36:18.719 --> 0:36:21.680
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, no, totally, it's that ridiculous, ridiculous. Yeah, I

0:36:21.760 --> 0:36:24.840
<v Speaker 3>like mine's like a maroon colored felt with straw. But

0:36:25.040 --> 0:36:27.239
<v Speaker 3>I like your yeah, yeah, Well you know what she

0:36:27.640 --> 0:36:30.320
<v Speaker 3>can share. Well, she may have had more than one sombrero,

0:36:30.719 --> 0:36:37.279
<v Speaker 3>woman had money, or it's just smelly sombrerope had party again,

0:36:37.440 --> 0:36:39.759
<v Speaker 3>here comes smelly Verra. Like you know, she's got this

0:36:39.880 --> 0:36:43.160
<v Speaker 3>huge ring. But good wash your hair? All right, where

0:36:43.200 --> 0:36:47.319
<v Speaker 3>were we epic sombrero? Okay, Anyway, while it seemed like

0:36:47.360 --> 0:36:50.160
<v Speaker 3>maybe the robbers like had been in the house before. Okay,

0:36:50.400 --> 0:36:52.600
<v Speaker 3>the truth is that a lot of people had and

0:36:52.760 --> 0:36:55.520
<v Speaker 3>word had spread, you know well as to like what

0:36:55.680 --> 0:36:57.440
<v Speaker 3>was in the house how Verra lived.

0:36:57.719 --> 0:36:59.200
<v Speaker 2>A lot of candidates are an inside job.

0:36:59.400 --> 0:37:03.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So the FBI at this point huge, huge, So

0:37:03.400 --> 0:37:06.919
<v Speaker 3>it's just like irrelevant. The FBI is like positive, it's

0:37:06.960 --> 0:37:10.239
<v Speaker 3>gone over state lines. And so they started calling all

0:37:10.239 --> 0:37:12.520
<v Speaker 3>the field offices in the region and they get an

0:37:12.560 --> 0:37:16.239
<v Speaker 3>alert that there was a similar crime out of bel Air, California. Oh,

0:37:16.320 --> 0:37:19.279
<v Speaker 3>that makes very similar, Samemo. And the guy on the

0:37:19.360 --> 0:37:22.839
<v Speaker 3>run and wanted for that score was John William Hagenson.

0:37:23.719 --> 0:37:27.920
<v Speaker 3>And so the FBI they show via a group of photos.

0:37:28.400 --> 0:37:31.560
<v Speaker 3>This wasn't just a six pack, as they said telestat,

0:37:31.680 --> 0:37:34.360
<v Speaker 3>it was a sixty six pack, sixty six pictures of

0:37:35.120 --> 0:37:41.560
<v Speaker 3>possible Oh, it was all tasteful, like all of his

0:37:41.719 --> 0:37:46.400
<v Speaker 3>headshots for his career. They're sixty six different dudes. So like,

0:37:46.440 --> 0:37:49.160
<v Speaker 3>these are all the possible suspects. So she's flipping through,

0:37:49.160 --> 0:37:52.480
<v Speaker 3>flipping through, she picks out two of them and said

0:37:52.520 --> 0:37:55.080
<v Speaker 3>that this looks like two of the robbers. One of

0:37:55.120 --> 0:37:57.920
<v Speaker 3>the guys that she picked out had been in jail

0:37:58.040 --> 0:38:01.160
<v Speaker 3>in LA at the time. So they're like, no, honey,

0:38:01.200 --> 0:38:04.600
<v Speaker 3>that wasn't him. Try again, and she's like, maybe is

0:38:04.640 --> 0:38:08.759
<v Speaker 3>this your card? She holds it up. It's John William Hagenson, like.

0:38:10.280 --> 0:38:11.520
<v Speaker 2>Magic exactly.

0:38:12.040 --> 0:38:15.040
<v Speaker 3>So his wife. Hagenson's wife had been working as a

0:38:15.040 --> 0:38:19.640
<v Speaker 3>cocktail waitress in Vegas up until remember this was April tenth,

0:38:19.800 --> 0:38:22.960
<v Speaker 3>was the robbery on April thirteenth, She just like quit

0:38:23.040 --> 0:38:23.480
<v Speaker 3>and left.

0:38:23.640 --> 0:38:24.880
<v Speaker 2>I got a new opportunity.

0:38:25.000 --> 0:38:29.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And so they're like, huh, that's curious, FBI. They

0:38:29.480 --> 0:38:33.640
<v Speaker 3>start tracking Hagenson across the country. He went from Vegas

0:38:34.160 --> 0:38:39.120
<v Speaker 3>to Ogden to Gallop to Roswell to Fort Worth to Miami,

0:38:39.840 --> 0:38:44.000
<v Speaker 3>and then then he doubled back and he zig zagged

0:38:44.000 --> 0:38:50.320
<v Speaker 3>all over. He went to Bowser City, Louisiana, Hot Springs, Arkansas,

0:38:50.880 --> 0:38:56.360
<v Speaker 3>h Mobile, Birmingham, Perry, Florida, Saint Louis He went to

0:38:56.440 --> 0:38:58.520
<v Speaker 3>Chicago twice, Newark, New Jersey.

0:38:58.880 --> 0:39:01.800
<v Speaker 2>Everywhere he went minor league, like golf.

0:39:01.920 --> 0:39:06.160
<v Speaker 3>Well he's doing that. I've been everywhere cash stock exactly.

0:39:06.520 --> 0:39:09.600
<v Speaker 3>So everywhere he goes, the FBI is like on his tail.

0:39:09.719 --> 0:39:12.680
<v Speaker 3>Field offices are working overtime to like keep on track

0:39:12.960 --> 0:39:15.000
<v Speaker 3>and try to get one step ahead because they just

0:39:15.040 --> 0:39:15.920
<v Speaker 3>find oh, he just left.

0:39:16.800 --> 0:39:17.719
<v Speaker 2>You just missed him.

0:39:17.760 --> 0:39:19.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So the Chicago there.

0:39:19.160 --> 0:39:21.279
<v Speaker 2>Was the reports of him.

0:39:21.320 --> 0:39:23.800
<v Speaker 3>You know, the FBI, they got a big.

0:39:23.840 --> 0:39:25.839
<v Speaker 2>They got people everywhere. This is like, this is still

0:39:25.920 --> 0:39:27.040
<v Speaker 2>Jagger Hoover's Yeah.

0:39:27.160 --> 0:39:30.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So this agent out of the Chicago office, he

0:39:30.840 --> 0:39:33.680
<v Speaker 3>met a guy who said that Hagenson had been trying

0:39:33.680 --> 0:39:36.920
<v Speaker 3>to fence some furs taken from that Bell Air robbery.

0:39:37.440 --> 0:39:41.120
<v Speaker 3>And then back in Vegas, the dragnet pulled another suspect,

0:39:41.200 --> 0:39:46.640
<v Speaker 3>Marion Carter Bowman. Dude. Supposedly he'd been flat broke, but

0:39:46.680 --> 0:39:48.959
<v Speaker 3>like then he starts telling his pals there's this big

0:39:49.000 --> 0:39:51.560
<v Speaker 3>deal that he's involved in. And then after April tenth,

0:39:51.560 --> 0:39:52.920
<v Speaker 3>he's got tons of money.

0:39:53.080 --> 0:39:55.799
<v Speaker 2>And more work and yeah, got a lot of time

0:39:55.800 --> 0:39:56.359
<v Speaker 2>to play cards.

0:39:56.360 --> 0:39:58.720
<v Speaker 3>And they got a tip that there were some people

0:39:58.800 --> 0:40:02.600
<v Speaker 3>staying at the lan Western Hills Motel in Boser City,

0:40:02.680 --> 0:40:06.920
<v Speaker 3>Louisiana who were quote acting strange. I don't know what

0:40:06.920 --> 0:40:07.400
<v Speaker 3>that means.

0:40:07.719 --> 0:40:10.520
<v Speaker 2>I wish I did. I've heard it about myself. I

0:40:10.640 --> 0:40:11.600
<v Speaker 2>just don't know what it means.

0:40:12.080 --> 0:40:15.960
<v Speaker 3>At the motel local officers. I would imagine at this place,

0:40:16.000 --> 0:40:19.920
<v Speaker 3>the Lassan's Western Hills Motel, there's a lot of strange activities.

0:40:20.000 --> 0:40:22.880
<v Speaker 3>So what stands out stand out in that? How do

0:40:22.960 --> 0:40:27.719
<v Speaker 3>you be molto strange? Okay? So the local officers they

0:40:27.760 --> 0:40:30.760
<v Speaker 3>show up, Hagens and his wife are there. They arrest

0:40:30.800 --> 0:40:34.280
<v Speaker 3>him there in one room. Mary and Carter Bowman, William

0:40:34.320 --> 0:40:37.279
<v Speaker 3>Snead Davy, and then Davy's wife they're in another room.

0:40:37.440 --> 0:40:41.360
<v Speaker 3>They get busted. They find in Missus Davies's purse, the

0:40:41.480 --> 0:40:46.600
<v Speaker 3>camera VIA's camera. All three guys claimed that they knew

0:40:46.600 --> 0:40:49.520
<v Speaker 3>nothing about this crrup Ruby who I'm sorry, they where

0:40:49.760 --> 0:40:52.440
<v Speaker 3>never heard of it? Las Vegas? What is this?

0:40:52.640 --> 0:40:52.799
<v Speaker 2>Oh?

0:40:52.880 --> 0:40:55.640
<v Speaker 3>No? So okay, So the FBI they find out that

0:40:55.680 --> 0:40:59.960
<v Speaker 3>there's this man named Don s Evans. He just left

0:41:00.080 --> 0:41:02.799
<v Speaker 3>the motel like right before the cops got there, and

0:41:02.840 --> 0:41:05.600
<v Speaker 3>apparently he was the guy with the mink from the

0:41:05.640 --> 0:41:10.040
<v Speaker 3>bell air job and so Bowman maryon Bowman. He was

0:41:10.080 --> 0:41:11.680
<v Speaker 3>a self described golf pro.

0:41:12.440 --> 0:41:14.560
<v Speaker 2>I see I caught it with the minor league golf.

0:41:14.760 --> 0:41:17.120
<v Speaker 2>It totally sounds like the golf pro.

0:41:17.440 --> 0:41:19.800
<v Speaker 3>But he also had a criminal record and a conviction

0:41:20.120 --> 0:41:24.520
<v Speaker 3>that he did four months for theft. So that Don

0:41:24.600 --> 0:41:27.399
<v Speaker 3>Evans guy that took off with the mink, he turned

0:41:27.400 --> 0:41:31.160
<v Speaker 3>out to actually be James George Reeves. He's a thirty

0:41:31.239 --> 0:41:35.440
<v Speaker 3>year old underworld figure with an extensive record of arrests

0:41:35.480 --> 0:41:39.440
<v Speaker 3>in the South and the Midwest. So I love that.

0:41:39.520 --> 0:41:41.880
<v Speaker 3>So a complaint I was like, how do I describe

0:41:41.880 --> 0:41:45.280
<v Speaker 3>this man an underworld? So a complained had been filed

0:41:45.320 --> 0:41:49.800
<v Speaker 3>against Hagenson on April twenty first, charging in with quote

0:41:49.840 --> 0:41:53.759
<v Speaker 3>interstate flight to avoid prosecution for the LA the bell

0:41:53.800 --> 0:41:57.040
<v Speaker 3>Air robbery, the others. They got released because there wasn't

0:41:57.120 --> 0:41:57.760
<v Speaker 3>enough evidence.

0:41:57.840 --> 0:41:58.440
<v Speaker 2>I could see that.

0:41:58.520 --> 0:42:01.360
<v Speaker 3>But meanwhile, the FBI is like not giving up. Let's

0:42:01.480 --> 0:42:03.720
<v Speaker 3>keep working this case. Let's focus on the East Coast.

0:42:04.320 --> 0:42:08.000
<v Speaker 3>An agent in Newark, New Jersey learned that a large

0:42:08.280 --> 0:42:12.319
<v Speaker 3>unmounted diamond reportedly stolen in Nevada had shown up in

0:42:12.360 --> 0:42:15.400
<v Speaker 3>that city and it was being shown around to prospective

0:42:15.440 --> 0:42:19.399
<v Speaker 3>buyers by Julius Berger. And when Burger was picked up,

0:42:19.480 --> 0:42:21.960
<v Speaker 3>he said that the ring was being held by James

0:42:22.040 --> 0:42:25.840
<v Speaker 3>George Reeves, who was driving a new Ford and staying

0:42:26.080 --> 0:42:29.719
<v Speaker 3>with his wife at an Elizabeth, New Jersey motel. Now

0:42:29.760 --> 0:42:32.400
<v Speaker 3>the name rang a bell for the agents because in

0:42:32.560 --> 0:42:36.960
<v Speaker 3>Boser City, Don Evans had been identified as James Reeves,

0:42:37.480 --> 0:42:39.400
<v Speaker 3>and that was they did it through like the car

0:42:39.440 --> 0:42:43.279
<v Speaker 3>license listed on the motel's records, so Burger he gets

0:42:43.360 --> 0:42:48.000
<v Speaker 3>charged with receiving stolen goods. The agents went to the motel,

0:42:48.239 --> 0:42:52.279
<v Speaker 3>they found mister and missus Reeves. The couple both denied everything.

0:42:52.560 --> 0:42:56.240
<v Speaker 3>I don't know nothing about nothing, But then they searched

0:42:56.280 --> 0:42:59.799
<v Speaker 3>them and the diamond was found in the bottom left

0:42:59.840 --> 0:43:01.640
<v Speaker 3>line of Reeve's jacket.

0:43:02.600 --> 0:43:04.000
<v Speaker 2>She's seen his jacket just as.

0:43:04.000 --> 0:43:05.920
<v Speaker 3>Jacket in the lining. He's like, if they look in

0:43:05.960 --> 0:43:07.000
<v Speaker 3>the pockets, they'll never find it.

0:43:07.160 --> 0:43:08.600
<v Speaker 2>And I mean I get with the like the a

0:43:08.600 --> 0:43:11.680
<v Speaker 2>lot of like smugglers, Like you know, Pablo Escobar's mother

0:43:11.680 --> 0:43:13.399
<v Speaker 2>made him a coat with the lining where you could

0:43:13.400 --> 0:43:16.080
<v Speaker 2>like put in the cocaine. Like it's very common back then,

0:43:16.120 --> 0:43:19.319
<v Speaker 2>it's in particular, but with something like that, it could

0:43:19.360 --> 0:43:21.840
<v Speaker 2>cut through that fabric. It's like, why would you unless

0:43:21.840 --> 0:43:24.080
<v Speaker 2>maybe it's reinforced. I don't know, maybe I'm overthinking it,

0:43:24.160 --> 0:43:26.759
<v Speaker 2>but still I would think that they give it to

0:43:26.760 --> 0:43:28.720
<v Speaker 2>the wife. I guess you didn't maybe trust her entirely,

0:43:28.840 --> 0:43:29.560
<v Speaker 2>who knows.

0:43:29.640 --> 0:43:33.560
<v Speaker 3>May twenty six, Reeves signs a statement where he admits

0:43:33.560 --> 0:43:36.520
<v Speaker 3>his part in the robbery and he implicates the other

0:43:36.640 --> 0:43:39.640
<v Speaker 3>suspects as well as this guy from Texas named Edward Hay.

0:43:39.800 --> 0:43:41.239
<v Speaker 2>He turns still Rose.

0:43:41.000 --> 0:43:43.160
<v Speaker 3>In another one. Here's the guy you haven't heard of yet,

0:43:43.520 --> 0:43:44.000
<v Speaker 3>Eddie Hey.

0:43:44.600 --> 0:43:46.480
<v Speaker 2>Meanwhile, for get the fifth one.

0:43:46.560 --> 0:43:50.680
<v Speaker 3>Free Julius Berger. He gave the FBI a seven page

0:43:50.719 --> 0:43:53.200
<v Speaker 3>signed statement admitting his involvement.

0:43:53.440 --> 0:43:54.120
<v Speaker 2>He had a lawyer.

0:43:54.160 --> 0:43:59.239
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, yeah. Hagenson was sent back to LA to

0:43:59.239 --> 0:44:03.480
<v Speaker 3>stand trial for the bell Aer robbery. When everyone else

0:44:03.520 --> 0:44:05.800
<v Speaker 3>got released in Bowser City, they just ran for it.

0:44:05.920 --> 0:44:09.480
<v Speaker 3>But the FBI is watching. With Reeve's statement, now they

0:44:09.480 --> 0:44:14.160
<v Speaker 3>could charge all of them for transporting stolen property. In Hey,

0:44:14.239 --> 0:44:18.120
<v Speaker 3>he gets picked up in Texas City May second. Davy

0:44:18.200 --> 0:44:21.719
<v Speaker 3>and Bowman, they're located in Mexico and they're taken into

0:44:21.719 --> 0:44:24.480
<v Speaker 3>custody by FBI agents when they re enter the US

0:44:24.520 --> 0:44:25.280
<v Speaker 3>through Laredo.

0:44:25.640 --> 0:44:26.320
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay.

0:44:26.800 --> 0:44:32.600
<v Speaker 3>Almost immediately things got more complicated. Hagenson was released June

0:44:32.640 --> 0:44:35.200
<v Speaker 3>first on a fifty thousand dollars bond, and like, so

0:44:35.360 --> 0:44:37.760
<v Speaker 3>twenty five grand of that was the bell Ayer charge

0:44:37.760 --> 0:44:40.960
<v Speaker 3>and twenty five was the federal catcha. He left La,

0:44:41.239 --> 0:44:44.600
<v Speaker 3>went to Vegas as soon as he's on bail. Yeah,

0:44:44.640 --> 0:44:47.240
<v Speaker 3>and then he like eats a bunch of sleeping pills

0:44:47.640 --> 0:44:50.719
<v Speaker 3>winds up in the hospital. They're like, dude, come on,

0:44:51.160 --> 0:44:54.040
<v Speaker 3>bail bondsman has to leave La. Go pick him up

0:44:54.040 --> 0:44:56.880
<v Speaker 3>in Vegas, bring them back to La. Bond is revoked.

0:44:57.200 --> 0:44:59.520
<v Speaker 3>They're like, we can't trust you. You get checked into

0:44:59.560 --> 0:45:04.480
<v Speaker 3>the hospital. Federal grand jury in Las Vegas indicted Burger, who,

0:45:04.560 --> 0:45:06.479
<v Speaker 3>by the way, was like owned a grocery store.

0:45:06.520 --> 0:45:10.280
<v Speaker 2>So wondering about him, I figured he was up front

0:45:10.280 --> 0:45:12.120
<v Speaker 2>and of fence, but I thought maybe he was closer

0:45:12.160 --> 0:45:16.160
<v Speaker 2>to something other than groceries. He was selling something legit

0:45:17.040 --> 0:45:17.680
<v Speaker 2>or something just.

0:45:17.640 --> 0:45:19.279
<v Speaker 3>Like you could have shoved the diamond in like a

0:45:19.320 --> 0:45:23.120
<v Speaker 3>cabin at. Yeah. So the federal grand jury in Vegas

0:45:23.160 --> 0:45:28.600
<v Speaker 3>indicts Burger, Bowman, Davy, Hagenson, Hay and Reeves for conspiracy

0:45:28.719 --> 0:45:33.399
<v Speaker 3>to transport stolen property interstate. Everyone except for Burger gets

0:45:33.480 --> 0:45:36.480
<v Speaker 3>charged with interstate transportation of stolen property because he was

0:45:36.520 --> 0:45:38.480
<v Speaker 3>out on the East Coast the whole time. On the

0:45:38.520 --> 0:45:41.600
<v Speaker 3>first morning of the trial, things are already going badly

0:45:42.000 --> 0:45:43.080
<v Speaker 3>for the defense, like.

0:45:43.360 --> 0:45:46.440
<v Speaker 2>Burger, and they have very loose ties. I imagine, Yeah.

0:45:46.400 --> 0:45:48.360
<v Speaker 3>Burger, he's the one who tried to sell the diamond

0:45:48.360 --> 0:45:51.360
<v Speaker 3>in Newark. Yeah, he suddenly changes his plead guilty and

0:45:51.400 --> 0:45:52.719
<v Speaker 3>flips on everybody.

0:45:52.760 --> 0:45:54.800
<v Speaker 2>So it's kind of like a game theory who cheats first?

0:45:54.960 --> 0:45:58.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, And on the third day, Reeves and Davy

0:45:58.400 --> 0:46:01.040
<v Speaker 3>also changed their pleas to guilt, and then they get

0:46:01.080 --> 0:46:08.040
<v Speaker 3>their conspiracy charges dropped. So Friday, November thirteen, confirm, so

0:46:08.080 --> 0:46:10.319
<v Speaker 3>they have all that statement but they still have yeah,

0:46:10.360 --> 0:46:14.680
<v Speaker 3>so they're finally like okay, fine, Hey Hagenson Bowman. They

0:46:14.680 --> 0:46:20.280
<v Speaker 3>get found guilty on both conspiracy and transportation. A week later, Reeves, Davy,

0:46:20.280 --> 0:46:23.200
<v Speaker 3>and Burger come up for sentencing on their guilty Please.

0:46:23.320 --> 0:46:26.680
<v Speaker 3>Reeves gets sentenced to eight years in prison, but that's

0:46:26.719 --> 0:46:29.600
<v Speaker 3>only after he had done He gets that once he

0:46:29.680 --> 0:46:33.440
<v Speaker 3>has finished his pre existing two ten year sentences for

0:46:33.560 --> 0:46:38.840
<v Speaker 3>burglary in Arkansas outstanding. Oh, Davy got five years, and

0:46:38.880 --> 0:46:41.720
<v Speaker 3>then Burger got three years probation. Because it's always pays

0:46:41.760 --> 0:46:42.680
<v Speaker 3>to be the first to sing.

0:46:42.880 --> 0:46:47.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. December like this like the normal straight world of like.

0:46:49.360 --> 0:46:55.759
<v Speaker 3>Exactly, let's see December eleventh, Hey, Hagenson Bowman. They get

0:46:55.800 --> 0:46:59.719
<v Speaker 3>sentenced to five years for violation of the conspiracy statute,

0:47:00.160 --> 0:47:03.160
<v Speaker 3>ten years on the transportation count, and it's going to

0:47:03.200 --> 0:47:07.640
<v Speaker 3>run concurrently, so fifteen Hagenson's term would start after he'd

0:47:07.680 --> 0:47:11.439
<v Speaker 3>served his California sentence of five years to life. Five

0:47:11.480 --> 0:47:14.799
<v Speaker 3>to life what is that on the burglary charge. Here's

0:47:14.800 --> 0:47:15.759
<v Speaker 3>a little wrinkle for you.

0:47:16.120 --> 0:47:17.319
<v Speaker 2>I love wrinkles me too.

0:47:17.640 --> 0:47:21.120
<v Speaker 3>The day before Hey, Hagenson and Bowman were sentence, the

0:47:21.160 --> 0:47:24.640
<v Speaker 3>district court clerk, who had recorded the trial transcript in

0:47:24.680 --> 0:47:26.560
<v Speaker 3>shorthand died in a car accident.

0:47:26.800 --> 0:47:28.440
<v Speaker 2>The district court clerk okay.

0:47:28.280 --> 0:47:32.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so like you know, the distenographer.

0:47:31.920 --> 0:47:32.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly.

0:47:32.520 --> 0:47:34.920
<v Speaker 3>So the court officials they ordered the notes to be

0:47:35.040 --> 0:47:38.879
<v Speaker 3>transcribed by another stenographer. But then the lawyers for Hey,

0:47:39.000 --> 0:47:43.360
<v Speaker 3>Hagenson and Bowman said, no, this new transcript is not satisfactory.

0:47:43.760 --> 0:47:44.680
<v Speaker 3>We want a new trial.

0:47:45.160 --> 0:47:46.520
<v Speaker 2>They can't read her handwrite.

0:47:46.360 --> 0:47:48.960
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. They filed a motion for a new trial.

0:47:49.040 --> 0:47:51.360
<v Speaker 3>So it wound up being moot for Hay because he

0:47:51.520 --> 0:47:56.400
<v Speaker 3>passed away while free on bond. But Hagenson and Bowman

0:47:56.880 --> 0:48:00.040
<v Speaker 3>June twentieth, nineteen sixty three, the motion for an a

0:48:00.120 --> 0:48:03.279
<v Speaker 3>new trial was granted and they went on trial for

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<v Speaker 3>the second time October first, nineteen sixty three. Hagenson the

0:48:08.239 --> 0:48:12.480
<v Speaker 3>alleged idea man, right, he beat the rap. How I

0:48:12.560 --> 0:48:14.879
<v Speaker 3>don't know. But then they sent him back to San

0:48:14.960 --> 0:48:19.360
<v Speaker 3>Quentin to finish off the California sentence. Bowman, who was

0:48:19.360 --> 0:48:22.319
<v Speaker 3>the guy who said he was the paving cottrector he

0:48:22.440 --> 0:48:26.959
<v Speaker 3>knocked on the door. Yeah, that fateful night, that was him.

0:48:27.400 --> 0:48:30.960
<v Speaker 3>He gets convicted and he draws a five year term,

0:48:31.719 --> 0:48:34.800
<v Speaker 3>ten thousand dollars fine for conspiracy and then ten years

0:48:34.800 --> 0:48:39.120
<v Speaker 3>for transporting stolen property. Yeah, so what of the diamond?

0:48:39.400 --> 0:48:40.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what happened to that?

0:48:40.560 --> 0:48:44.560
<v Speaker 3>Well, with all three diamonds recovered, So the center stone

0:48:44.680 --> 0:48:48.919
<v Speaker 3>was recovered, the side baguettes were recovered. Vera rebuilt the ring,

0:48:49.800 --> 0:48:52.759
<v Speaker 3>Harry Winston reset it in platinum this time.

0:48:54.120 --> 0:48:54.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah.

0:48:54.640 --> 0:48:57.760
<v Speaker 3>So she later donated a glass replica of the diamond

0:48:57.800 --> 0:49:00.560
<v Speaker 3>to the FBI in recognition of the case. Like you

0:49:00.560 --> 0:49:04.640
<v Speaker 3>get some FBI loves this story. They have a big

0:49:04.680 --> 0:49:08.000
<v Speaker 3>thing on their website. Oh yeah, they're all jazzed about it.

0:49:08.040 --> 0:49:08.920
<v Speaker 2>We got a rock too.

0:49:09.160 --> 0:49:13.480
<v Speaker 3>It makes them feel electric in their bodies. So Richard Burton,

0:49:14.680 --> 0:49:18.520
<v Speaker 3>he eventually bought the diamonds and it was renamed and

0:49:18.560 --> 0:49:22.839
<v Speaker 3>widely publicized as Elizabeth Taylor died. Right Taylor, She wore

0:49:22.880 --> 0:49:25.080
<v Speaker 3>it all the time on screen, off screen like you

0:49:25.120 --> 0:49:27.719
<v Speaker 3>can see it in some movies. She was like Vera, like,

0:49:27.760 --> 0:49:29.840
<v Speaker 3>I'm not taking this thing off because it's amazing.

0:49:30.080 --> 0:49:31.080
<v Speaker 2>Do you have soap and so?

0:49:31.160 --> 0:49:33.759
<v Speaker 3>Then what happened to Vera? Although I heard if you

0:49:33.840 --> 0:49:36.040
<v Speaker 3>if a ring gets stuck windex.

0:49:35.960 --> 0:49:39.080
<v Speaker 2>Okay, what do you call it? Like floss? You wrap

0:49:39.120 --> 0:49:39.439
<v Speaker 2>it around?

0:49:39.719 --> 0:49:39.879
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

0:49:39.920 --> 0:49:43.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know that's good.

0:49:43.160 --> 0:49:47.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, next time I want to rip a ring off

0:49:47.080 --> 0:49:50.759
<v Speaker 3>some ladies and I'll put I'll put the windecks in

0:49:50.880 --> 0:49:53.919
<v Speaker 3>like a holster, ready to go, and I'm armed, ready

0:49:53.960 --> 0:49:57.640
<v Speaker 3>to go. So Vera kept remodeling the ranch. She added

0:49:57.640 --> 0:50:03.399
<v Speaker 3>a secret passage bedroom. It looks like a bookcase. Yeah,

0:50:03.520 --> 0:50:05.080
<v Speaker 3>you pull it open and you can run.

0:50:05.200 --> 0:50:06.440
<v Speaker 2>She wanted to be dark.

0:50:06.600 --> 0:50:08.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, she wanted escape routes in the house. After that

0:50:08.920 --> 0:50:12.520
<v Speaker 3>horrible night. She lived at the ranch until sixty four.

0:50:12.600 --> 0:50:14.920
<v Speaker 3>Then she moved to bell Air because of her poor health.

0:50:15.360 --> 0:50:19.040
<v Speaker 3>In nineteen sixty seven, she sold the ranch to Howard Hughes,

0:50:20.760 --> 0:50:24.799
<v Speaker 3>Sir exactly, friend of the show, six hundred and twenty

0:50:24.800 --> 0:50:27.440
<v Speaker 3>five thousand dollars. He never lived there himself.

0:50:27.440 --> 0:50:28.319
<v Speaker 2>He just wanted to have it.

0:50:28.320 --> 0:50:30.759
<v Speaker 3>It was just part of his Vegas real estate portfolio.

0:50:31.320 --> 0:50:34.080
<v Speaker 3>He sold it for one point five million to his

0:50:34.200 --> 0:50:38.560
<v Speaker 3>business partners, Fletcher Jones and William Murphy in nineteen seventy two.

0:50:39.200 --> 0:50:41.360
<v Speaker 3>And Jones and Murphy they wanted to build this like

0:50:41.520 --> 0:50:46.240
<v Speaker 3>huge equestrian oriented housing development there for like two thousand people,

0:50:46.880 --> 0:50:50.200
<v Speaker 3>and the public was like, no, absolutely not, stop it.

0:50:50.320 --> 0:50:51.760
<v Speaker 3>And they hit him with a paper.

0:50:52.120 --> 0:50:53.120
<v Speaker 2>Why were they so against me?

0:50:53.160 --> 0:50:55.480
<v Speaker 3>Because they're like, this is ridiculous. It's so beautiful in

0:50:55.560 --> 0:50:57.880
<v Speaker 3>pristine and you want to put a development out there.

0:50:58.800 --> 0:50:59.759
<v Speaker 2>Don't break up the ranch.

0:51:00.160 --> 0:51:03.040
<v Speaker 3>So Jones was like fine, and they the public like

0:51:03.120 --> 0:51:05.120
<v Speaker 3>puts so much pressure on the county that they're like,

0:51:05.160 --> 0:51:06.879
<v Speaker 3>I don't think we're going to let you rezone it.

0:51:07.000 --> 0:51:10.719
<v Speaker 2>This is our Yellowstone. Jones was like, Whateverton Ranch can't

0:51:10.760 --> 0:51:11.360
<v Speaker 2>be broken up.

0:51:11.719 --> 0:51:13.719
<v Speaker 3>So then he's like, fine, we'll just auction it off.

0:51:13.719 --> 0:51:14.640
<v Speaker 3>This is too much trouble.

0:51:14.680 --> 0:51:16.560
<v Speaker 2>Guys are a hassle. We're making our profit. We're out

0:51:16.560 --> 0:51:16.879
<v Speaker 2>of here.

0:51:16.960 --> 0:51:19.720
<v Speaker 3>The Bureau of Land Management and the Nevada State Parks

0:51:19.760 --> 0:51:22.560
<v Speaker 3>they came up with this plan for the place, bought it.

0:51:22.960 --> 0:51:26.080
<v Speaker 3>Spring Mountain Ranch became a state park in nineteen seventy three.

0:51:26.120 --> 0:51:28.759
<v Speaker 3>You can go there today, look in the house, see

0:51:28.800 --> 0:51:32.160
<v Speaker 3>the secret passageway. Oh yeah, and they are all sorts

0:51:32.160 --> 0:51:33.600
<v Speaker 3>of cool hiking trails.

0:51:33.800 --> 0:51:35.200
<v Speaker 2>Grab the keys, come on, let's go.

0:51:35.560 --> 0:51:39.000
<v Speaker 3>Oh vera. She passed away in nineteen sixty seven at

0:51:39.040 --> 0:51:43.120
<v Speaker 3>the age of just forty eight, from complications from diabetes.

0:51:42.960 --> 0:51:45.640
<v Speaker 2>That seemed said I didn't think I expected her to

0:51:45.640 --> 0:51:47.520
<v Speaker 2>die in the eighties at the earliest.

0:51:47.600 --> 0:51:50.319
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, she died pretty young. You know, they didn't have

0:51:50.400 --> 0:51:52.799
<v Speaker 3>I'm assuming she had type one diabetes, and they didn't

0:51:52.800 --> 0:51:54.680
<v Speaker 3>really have good ways to treat those things.

0:51:54.760 --> 0:51:57.439
<v Speaker 2>Maybe she didn't catch it early enough. She did, like

0:51:57.440 --> 0:51:59.760
<v Speaker 2>like cellular damage.

0:51:59.400 --> 0:52:01.200
<v Speaker 3>Really like that. When she moved to Bellair, and she

0:52:01.360 --> 0:52:03.719
<v Speaker 3>was like, really went to Cedars SIINAI all the time.

0:52:03.760 --> 0:52:04.640
<v Speaker 3>It's pastway.

0:52:06.560 --> 0:52:08.880
<v Speaker 2>Some pizza's there all the time to really wealthy people.

0:52:09.120 --> 0:52:11.320
<v Speaker 3>Was it in nineteen sixty seven, Were you bringing her pizza?

0:52:11.400 --> 0:52:13.080
<v Speaker 2>No, but I did go. I'd have to get to

0:52:13.120 --> 0:52:15.640
<v Speaker 2>go to the room cases and you get like a

0:52:15.640 --> 0:52:18.239
<v Speaker 2>special dispensation because you're like a delivery person, and they're like, Okay,

0:52:18.280 --> 0:52:19.600
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to deal with this. I'm busy, I'm

0:52:19.600 --> 0:52:21.520
<v Speaker 2>a nurse, I'm an orderly Like I could go up

0:52:21.520 --> 0:52:24.640
<v Speaker 2>to this room and and uh, that's a crazy hospital

0:52:24.640 --> 0:52:26.680
<v Speaker 2>because I'm like some many people have private it. Look

0:52:26.760 --> 0:52:28.600
<v Speaker 2>you walk in it looks like an apartment, looks like

0:52:28.640 --> 0:52:30.120
<v Speaker 2>they have like they've decorated it.

0:52:30.160 --> 0:52:31.759
<v Speaker 3>Did you go in with a pizza and then if

0:52:31.760 --> 0:52:34.360
<v Speaker 3>they're asleep, you pulled the ivy out and just sucked

0:52:34.360 --> 0:52:35.440
<v Speaker 3>out like a caprice son?

0:52:35.520 --> 0:52:37.360
<v Speaker 2>So'ere like this is why they choose on my face.

0:52:39.360 --> 0:52:41.479
<v Speaker 3>Like I can't move my arms, put it on my face.

0:52:41.920 --> 0:52:43.000
<v Speaker 2>I just want to feel the warmth.

0:52:43.080 --> 0:52:44.360
<v Speaker 3>What's your ridiculous takeaway?

0:52:44.400 --> 0:52:48.520
<v Speaker 2>By the way, oh man, this like I'm really curious

0:52:48.520 --> 0:52:51.000
<v Speaker 2>about Richard Burton and his need for all the joy.

0:52:51.360 --> 0:52:54.280
<v Speaker 2>That's a side note, But I love that Elizabeth Taylor

0:52:54.400 --> 0:52:57.040
<v Speaker 2>is like yes to life and also diamonds. That is

0:52:57.080 --> 0:52:59.200
<v Speaker 2>part of my yes to life, Like she lives so

0:52:59.320 --> 0:53:03.200
<v Speaker 2>fully on a apologetically about like I like diamonds what

0:53:03.320 --> 0:53:05.040
<v Speaker 2>and I don't care who they belong to if they

0:53:05.040 --> 0:53:07.040
<v Speaker 2>are part of some violent crime that everyone's like kind

0:53:07.040 --> 0:53:09.040
<v Speaker 2>of been horrified by. They make me happy.

0:53:09.160 --> 0:53:10.399
<v Speaker 3>She lived a luxurious life.

0:53:11.080 --> 0:53:12.480
<v Speaker 2>What's your ridiculous take away? A littab bit.

0:53:12.520 --> 0:53:16.160
<v Speaker 3>My ridiculous takeaway is, uh, you know, I'm curious. I

0:53:16.200 --> 0:53:19.280
<v Speaker 3>wanted I looked up more about this battery operated phone.

0:53:19.719 --> 0:53:20.480
<v Speaker 3>It's weird to me.

0:53:20.800 --> 0:53:23.000
<v Speaker 2>Well, it was basically like an early cell phone, right,

0:53:23.040 --> 0:53:25.160
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I guess sounds like you know the ones

0:53:25.200 --> 0:53:27.040
<v Speaker 2>that used to have, like in the you see in

0:53:27.080 --> 0:53:29.440
<v Speaker 2>the movies. And it doesn't matter once you get a

0:53:29.480 --> 0:53:31.600
<v Speaker 2>certain level of technology, it's it's all pretty much the

0:53:31.600 --> 0:53:34.000
<v Speaker 2>same as it was. Getting the power size down in

0:53:34.080 --> 0:53:35.359
<v Speaker 2>the range and the receiver.

0:53:35.320 --> 0:53:36.799
<v Speaker 3>That must have been horrible you pick it up.

0:53:36.920 --> 0:53:39.280
<v Speaker 2>Oh so it's basically like a walk early walkie talking

0:53:39.320 --> 0:53:40.759
<v Speaker 2>in a sense. But you're working on.

0:53:40.800 --> 0:53:46.680
<v Speaker 3>A break breaker. Yeah, you know what we need right

0:53:46.719 --> 0:53:47.520
<v Speaker 3>now as to talk back.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my god, I.

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<v Speaker 5>Love Hi, Elizabeth and Zarin. My name is Tom, and

0:54:04.200 --> 0:54:06.400
<v Speaker 5>I just want to say I was so excited to

0:54:06.480 --> 0:54:08.600
<v Speaker 5>hear that you guys are doing an episode on All

0:54:08.680 --> 0:54:11.480
<v Speaker 5>the I'm like a huge fan of that place and

0:54:11.560 --> 0:54:13.960
<v Speaker 5>always tell people to go there because it saves me

0:54:14.040 --> 0:54:17.000
<v Speaker 5>so much on groceries. But as I was listening to

0:54:17.000 --> 0:54:20.279
<v Speaker 5>your episode, I was preparing dinner and realized that all

0:54:20.360 --> 0:54:24.400
<v Speaker 5>the chicken I bought from Aldi is woody and disgusting

0:54:24.600 --> 0:54:27.919
<v Speaker 5>and pretty much not usable. So be cautious out there.

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<v Speaker 5>Thanks guys, love your show.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a good heads up, happened to you costco. That's

0:54:40.440 --> 0:54:42.920
<v Speaker 3>a public service announcement, right, that's good stuff.

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