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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime. It's a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Zern Elizabeth Larren, Yes, Elizabeth, are you doing hey? Oh

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Speaker 2: you're over there? Yes, Elizabeth any here? Yes, I'm right here.

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Speaker 2: How are you doing? Girl?

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Speaker 3: Hey? Listen, I'm above ground and getting paid.

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Speaker 2: Nice.

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Speaker 3: That's all I care about.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to get like you.

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Speaker 3: That's that's my answer. When people ask how you doing

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Speaker 3: above ground and getting paid?

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Speaker 2: There you go. It's all you can ask. It's all

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Speaker 2: you can ask.

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Speaker 3: Literally, do you know what's ridiculous?

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm so glad you asked me. I have an idea.

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Speaker 2: I'm just going to give to Hollywood for free.

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Right, this is totally ridiculous. So you know Santa

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Speaker 2: Monica High, Yes, SAMO Yeah right, SAMO Hi. So there's

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Speaker 2: a bunch of people who are all born like in

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Speaker 2: nineteen sixty four and sixty five, who were all together

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Speaker 2: at SAMO High.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And it's basically if you think about when they would

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Speaker 2: have been in high school, it's the early eighties, like

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Speaker 2: eighty eighty one, eighty two. So these are all classmates

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Speaker 2: at sam O. Hi. Ready for this? Yeah, Robert Downey Junior. Okay,

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Speaker 2: Emelio Westevez, Charlie Sheen right on, Penn Chris Penn, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Rob Low, Yeah, Michael Bay, the director, Holly Robinson, Pete

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Speaker 2: and Man, Lenny Kravitz, Am Leonard. Yeah, this is like

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Speaker 2: a real eighties movie. You just have you can just

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Speaker 2: tell their story, just imagine it. Boom.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, I've watched the Charlie Sheen documentary.

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Speaker 2: IP is right there, it's right there.

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Speaker 3: I watched the Charlie Sheen documentary and he talks about

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Speaker 3: like growing up with the pen and like I don't

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Speaker 3: remember if Rob Low, rob Yeah, but yeah, it's crazy,

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Speaker 3: like when you think about that whole you know, Santa Monica,

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Speaker 3: Malibu crowd at all time.

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Speaker 2: And also you could do a sequel with Maya Rudolph,

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Speaker 2: Gwyneth Paltrow and Jack Black, who were also like they

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Speaker 2: were born in seventy one to seventy two around that age. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so there are a couple of years behind obviously, but

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Speaker 2: Gwyneth and uh, Maya Rudolph were best friends since the

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Speaker 2: age of seven, so they were friends in high school

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Speaker 2: you're kidding, Oh yeah, and then Maya Rudolph had a

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Speaker 2: crush on Jack Black and so she would like follow

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Speaker 2: him around. He talked her in to take in the

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Speaker 2: improv class, then then gets her into Groundlings, and then

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Speaker 2: launches her career in comedy because she had a crush

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Speaker 2: on Jack Black. Yeah, I love so there you go.

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Speaker 2: You got the sequel right there.

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Speaker 3: You got the wrong com you did it, you did it.

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Speaker 2: And that ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: That's so ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Imagine them, classmates.

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Speaker 3: I love it. That is ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: I thought you didn't. Ridiculous And it's free Hollywood. Take it. Well,

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Speaker 2: that's a previous ip.

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Speaker 3: You want to know what else is ridiculous?

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, you know that. I lived for that.

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Speaker 2: That's what keeps me above ground and getting paid.

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Speaker 3: Wearing diamonds and a sombrero.

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Speaker 4: Oh oh yeah.

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Speaker 3: This is ridiculous Crime A podcast about absurd and outrageous capers.

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Speaker 3: Heis and cons It's always ninety nine percent murder free

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Speaker 3: and one hundred percent ridiculous. Take that to the bank, Yes, please,

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Speaker 3: here's my deposital slip. The late actress Elizabeth Taylor.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I've heard of her with the purple eyes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she's associated with many things, those violet eyes. Violet sorry,

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Speaker 3: very specific film roles.

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Speaker 2: Sounds so much better than purple eyes.

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Speaker 3: Purple eye, it's a condition, and that's like elevated.

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Speaker 2: You need to see a specialists.

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Speaker 3: Oh honey. Yeah, film roles like Cleopatra and Cleopatrick Jones.

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Speaker 2: That was more surprising.

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Speaker 3: Her tumultuous love life Richard Burton.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then also like the Larry the construction guy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh my god, that's right. And then her friendship

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Speaker 3: with Michael Jackson.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and Marlon Branda. They're like a triangle. We're intense.

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Speaker 3: But one of the big associations that people have with

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Speaker 3: O Liz is jewelry.

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Speaker 2: Oh, yes, this is true.

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Speaker 3: She loved jewelry and she even called her perfume white diamonds.

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Speaker 2: That's right. I know that from Christmas time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, those ads on TV where she's all soft focused

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Speaker 3: and then like has some off the shoulder number.

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Speaker 2: On like a quarter like a millimeter of vesseling on

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Speaker 3: I don't think you ever you ever huffed on that

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Speaker 3: white diamonds, You ever smelled.

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Speaker 2: That the perfume? I know, I've known some older ladies. Yes,

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Speaker 2: you wear you.

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Speaker 3: Wear that, buddy. I don't think I've ever smelled it.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, No, I worked at a retirement home.

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Speaker 3: Like diamonds.

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Speaker 2: No, it smells like wealth and luxury.

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Speaker 3: That's nice.

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Speaker 2: Do you know some perfume smell like money. Yeah, it

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Speaker 2: smells like you know.

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Speaker 3: Wealthy or Janel Kashmir smells like money.

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Speaker 2: There you go.

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Speaker 3: When I say she collected jewelry though, I mean Mama

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Speaker 3: collected jewelry really. Yeah. She didn't just do it for

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Speaker 3: monetary or aesthetic value, but because of like the emotions

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Speaker 3: and the relationships and the stories into crystal behind probably

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Speaker 3: behind each piece. She wrote a book called My Love

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Speaker 3: Affair with Jewelry.

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Speaker 2: It's right in the cover, she.

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Speaker 3: Described Jules's quote a way of remembering life's great loves, moments,

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Speaker 3: and experiences jewelry Yeah, which I mean, I suppose is

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Speaker 3: true if you live the kind of life where like

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Speaker 3: gems and jewels are involved.

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Speaker 2: In the mere giving jeweled gifts. Yeah, I remember that.

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Speaker 3: I remember that it was the perfect cheese boo on

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Speaker 3: the deck and I was emeralds. Yeah, I mean, like,

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Speaker 3: you know, it's just so seet these things, the emeralds

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Speaker 3: wearing emeralds. You know, the moments, moments in her life

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Speaker 3: in anybody's life, the perfect cheeseburger. Many of her famous

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Speaker 3: jewels came as gifts, as you were saying, from the

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Speaker 3: men in her life, especially Richard Burton and then also

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Speaker 3: Mike Todd and others. For her, like every gem was

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Speaker 3: this tangible reminder of love. Milestones' reconciliations.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm so wrong. I love your baby. You can't

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Speaker 2: leave me, baby, he is eighteen diamonds baby, miss Musk.

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Speaker 3: She once said that Burton gave her quote the most

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Speaker 3: extravagant gifts, but always with the story. Every kiss begins

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Speaker 3: with k. The stories she has a friend in the

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Speaker 3: diamond business. Stories mattered just as much as the stones did. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: someone like gems, not the rolling stones.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I got that.

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Speaker 3: So she she grew up her did.

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Speaker 2: You say gemstones, I'm gonna be totally confused. The righteous ones, Yes,

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Speaker 3: Her mom had jewels. She was like, it was the family. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: She had an expectation of like I want you, and

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Speaker 3: Those look really pretty, thank you. And then she also

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Speaker 3: was so into Hollywood glamour and that's you knows a

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Speaker 3: was already like everyone knew, Elizabeth Taylor is all about diamonds.

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Speaker 2: And Harry Winston. Number of yes.

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Speaker 3: She called jewelry her quote drug of choice and yeah,

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Speaker 3: and this was like excitement for her but also comfort,

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Speaker 3: her careers going up and down. She loved jewels with

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Speaker 3: like long provenance. So she had one La Peregrina pearl

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Speaker 3: So all of these things were just like she loved

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Speaker 2: Do you like more than diamonds. She like rubies and

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Speaker 2: sapphires too, She liked diamonds.

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Speaker 3: She liked diamonds were like at the top of the pyramid.

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Speaker 3: She didn't keep them locked away. She wore her jewels

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Speaker 2: Put your diamonds under a bushel exactly.

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Speaker 3: She was wearing like huge diamonds to lunches, film sets,

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Speaker 2: Okay, so she would have really gone well with like

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Speaker 2: NFL wide receivers. Yes, they would be like, you know,

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Speaker 2: like when you sitting there and you get like a

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Speaker 3: And they would all talk about how there's no better

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Speaker 3: lived long enough to have a grill, a diamond grill.

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Speaker 2: How do you know she didn't.

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Speaker 3: It's true. There's a lot we don't know about her.

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Speaker 2: Michael Jackson, who was a crip, might have given her one.

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Speaker 3: It's true. Michael Jackson was a crip.

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Speaker 2: I look that up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw that today. He's straight crippin anyway, So

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Speaker 3: she's like, you know, you gotta wear this stuff. You

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Speaker 3: gotta live your life, totally live your life. So towards

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Speaker 3: the end of her life that she had lived, she

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Speaker 3: wanted to use that collection to make like a charitable

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Speaker 3: legacy for herself. Interesting, so in twenty eleven Christie's As

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Speaker 3: she held an auction through Christie's for the benefit of

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Speaker 3: the Elizabeth Taylor Aids Foundation. And that was like so

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Speaker 3: that the lifetime like she would live on anyse things, so.

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Speaker 2: Bequeathed some of her like both her energy and her wealth.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, what were some of these jewels. We'll start

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Speaker 3: with La Peregrina wandering Royal pearl. So this was this.

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Speaker 3: It was a famous sixteenth century drop shaped natural pearl

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Speaker 3: that she had Cardier set in like this ruby diamond

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Speaker 3: and pearl necklace in nineteen seventy two. Thing. Yeah, And

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Speaker 3: so the pearl was found in the fifteen hundreds and

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Speaker 3: like like I said, the courts of Spain and England,

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Speaker 3: it was passed to the Dukes of Abercorn in the

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Speaker 3: nineteenth century, and then it went into the possession of

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Speaker 3: Richard Burton Liz Taylor loved. Yeah, he bought it in

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Speaker 3: nineteen sixty nine for around thirty seven thousand dollars and

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Speaker 3: he gave it to Taylor. That's like spending three hundred

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Speaker 3: and twenty five thousand dollars on it today.

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Speaker 2: Wow, just outside of my price range.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, you're just so close. Let's save up

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Speaker 3: a little more. Check your couch cushions, good calls, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, might push yours in there.

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Speaker 3: I can swim, yeah, my NFTs. So she famously wore

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Speaker 3: this thing all the time and one time she's like

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Speaker 3: swamming around the house with them on and she thought

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Speaker 3: she lost it. There was a dog involved. But after

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Speaker 3: that so she had Cardier.

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Speaker 2: She had to wait like a couple of days until pasted.

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Speaker 2: Oh thank god.

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Speaker 3: They fixed it so that it wouldn't slip off, like

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Speaker 3: they reinforced the class that was sold in twenty eleven

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Speaker 3: at the AIDS Foundation charity sale for eleven point eight

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Speaker 3: million dollars. That's a world record price for a pearl

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Speaker 3: at the time. I bet eleven point eight million dollars.

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Speaker 2: Crazy.

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Speaker 3: So the next up we have the tea that, oh

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Speaker 3: sure it must We got the Taylor Burton diamond. That's

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Speaker 3: this like big pear shaped mama that cut by Harry

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Speaker 3: Winston and it was it was sixty eight carrots cut

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So that's like a brooch, slash, pendant, necklace, earrings, bracelet, ring.

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Speaker 3: There's that taj Mahal heart shape pendant that was what

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Speaker 3: Cardier Ruby sweet Ruby and diamond Cardier necklace. That's from

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Speaker 3: Mike Todd. He gave it to her while she was

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Speaker 2: How do you think do you think just like draped

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Speaker 3: she's got like all these like big dog ones, she's

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Speaker 3: Cleef and arpels.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow. Yeah, I know they're.

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Speaker 3: Using terms like pave and bag edd and pendants. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not their biggest diruct.

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Speaker 3: But this one's perfect, like it could be potentially internally

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Speaker 2: You see all the facets.

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Speaker 3: Right, all all the ratchet, real clear. It's like nitrogen

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Speaker 2: Thank you for putting that in terms I understand.

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Speaker 3: Set in a ring flank by tapered bagatts. I love

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Speaker 3: It's not A lot is known about the diamond's history

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Speaker 3: owner was Vera Krupp, Martha Vera Hassenfeld, later Countess Mellenkroct.

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Speaker 2: Like the German industrialist.

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Speaker 3: Uh huh. She is at the center of what I

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Speaker 3: stuff was just me pouring the foundation of the driveway.

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Speaker 2: Get us to the Croup.

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Speaker 3: Welcome you to the house that I'm building, the House

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Speaker 3: a little bit of fun information.

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Speaker 2: I learned so much.

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Speaker 3: I know, did taking a look at how the other

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Speaker 2: Are They doing well?

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Speaker 3: In excess, that's how they live. But it's Vera Krupp

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Speaker 2: Back, krup zaren Elizabeth.

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Speaker 3: I regaled you with tales of Elizabeth Taylor's jewelry collection.

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Speaker 2: You brought the temperature of the room down a couple

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Speaker 3: Cool, all that ice. Yeah, it's just And I mentioned

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Speaker 3: the Crep diamond. Do you remember when I said that

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Speaker 3: towards the end? It was originally owned by Vera Krup

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Speaker 3: via Crup. And I know what you're thinking, because I

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Speaker 3: can read your mind. Who intarnation is via Crup.

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Speaker 2: That's incredible.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad I read you write.

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Speaker 2: Down to the Tarnation.

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Speaker 3: No, thank you, let's do this. What if I suddenly

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Speaker 3: I just started rapping, Like what if I were someone

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Speaker 3: Vera so Vera She was born Martha Vera villem Heim.

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Speaker 3: I don't know whatever sounds good, felt Hawson felt incorporated.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we're going to do.

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Speaker 3: In mine Germany. Mine, it's mine.

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Speaker 2: Oh, just mine yours.

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Speaker 3: She later worked in German film under the stage name

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Speaker 3: nineteen forty seven. Good time, good time, right whatever, honey,

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Speaker 3: it gets better. So before her marriage to the steel

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Speaker 3: and so she had all these surnames von Langen, Wisbarnur

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Speaker 3: that appear in all her records. She's kind of like

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Speaker 2: About that too, Thank you, good point.

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Speaker 3: I mean I put it out there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I know why I could have knocked it.

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Speaker 2: I turned my back missed it entirely.

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Speaker 3: But you know what, anytime we can measure mentioned the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I love her.

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Speaker 3: Nineteen fifty five, okay, vera, she bought this ranch near

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Speaker 2: Oh, good time to do that.

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Speaker 3: She ran cattle, I'm serious, white faced Hereford's and Brahmas.

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Speaker 2: He's a gentlewoman ranch.

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Speaker 3: Yes. She expanded and remodeled the main like Sandstone residents,

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Speaker 3: kennel for her great danes, oh goodness, and like you know,

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Speaker 3: it was just all fitted out.

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Speaker 2: So it's starting to come together.

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Speaker 3: It's making sense now, Alfred. He was not permitted to

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Speaker 3: and they divorced in nineteen fifty seven.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure.

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Speaker 3: Vera lived at the ranch until like nineteen sixty four.

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Speaker 3: But here, let's back up a second. Wait, why couldn't

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Speaker 2: German steel magnet in nineteen four?

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Speaker 3: Let me tell you about, oh Alfreed. He was born

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Speaker 2: Oh tell me more, big rich family.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a four hundred year old German dynasty. They

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and weapon the type of magnet that I'm not

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Speaker 3: Of, correct magnates.

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Speaker 2: Yes, right.

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Speaker 3: It all started in fifteen eighty seven with these men. Wow, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Being rich for centuries, we're good at it.

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Speaker 3: He joined the merchants Guild, and then like slowly but truly,

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Speaker 2: Small guns, small guns, a little ones, yeah.

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Speaker 3: And those like those used in the Thirty Years War.

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Speaker 2: So that was really the good time to be selling

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Speaker 3: They did bang up business and they attended.

442
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:01,879
Speaker 2: Being a weapons steeler, m Steeler.

443
00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:07,680
Speaker 3: Their patriarch at that time, Patrick Croup, he started smelted

444
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:11,160
Speaker 3: steel production in eighteen sixteen and that was a game changer.

445
00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:15,439
Speaker 3: So now the company's like this major industrial player and

446
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,240
Speaker 3: then pretty soon they would have what can only be

447
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,800
Speaker 3: described as like a steel empire and the family they

448
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:25,199
Speaker 3: went into large scale arms manufacturing for the Kingdom of

449
00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:30,159
Speaker 3: Prussia in eighteen fifty nine. Germany, yeah, later the German

450
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 3: Empire World War One. They're the ones who made big Bertha.

451
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 2: Really yeah, that's the something to do with making the Bismarck.

452
00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,760
Speaker 2: I mean, why not, why not steel?

453
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,639
Speaker 3: I'll say so we're going to fast forward to Alfried.

454
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:48,640
Speaker 3: His godfather was Kaiser Wilhelm the second what Yeah, yeah,

455
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:50,720
Speaker 3: he was like a keen yachtsman.

456
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:52,080
Speaker 2: In fact he was.

457
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,720
Speaker 3: He won an Olympic bronze as part of Germany's eight

458
00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 3: meter crew in the nineteen thirty six Berlin Games.

459
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:01,120
Speaker 2: A big game.

460
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, and by the time of the family business, the

461
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:12,120
Speaker 3: operation was massive. So in nineteen forty three his name

462
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 3: was Alfried Krup van Bohlen und Halbach. He followed his

463
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,399
Speaker 3: father Gustav as chairman of the board of directors of

464
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:23,920
Speaker 3: what was then called fried Krup ag Friedrich. In order

465
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 3: for this to happen, this guy, Adolf Hitler, he issued

466
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:29,120
Speaker 3: something called.

467
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:30,959
Speaker 2: Lex Kroup in politics, right.

468
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:35,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was a special decree that converted the company

469
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,959
Speaker 3: from a stock corporation into a family enterprise, so that

470
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:42,199
Speaker 3: the business and the Krupp name would pass to a

471
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,399
Speaker 3: single heir, Alfried. So he ditched all the other parts

472
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 3: of his name and then he just had Krupp, Krup,

473
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 3: Krupp c k r Upp.

474
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, Crupp. That's how I always I don't.

475
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:56,640
Speaker 3: Know, okay, So I should mention that at this point

476
00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 3: Fried Krupp was one of the biggest suppliers of armaments

477
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 3: to Nazi Germany.

478
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, surprise, the arms dealer that was it. It's like,

479
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:04,679
Speaker 2: what do you do?

480
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 3: I make Nazi weapons under Nazi rule? They profited from

481
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 3: armaments like exploitation and occupied territories, extensive use of forced labor.

482
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the names.

483
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 3: And in fact, after the war, the US Military Tribunal

484
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:27,120
Speaker 3: at Nuremberg conducted the separate crub case US versus.

485
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 2: Krupp at all probably had a lot to talk about tons.

486
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 3: It was the thick notebook, big files. In July of

487
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 3: nineteen forty eight, Alfred was convicted on counts including crimes

488
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 3: against humanity. That's a big one, use of slave labor, plunder.

489
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:44,200
Speaker 3: What are you in for? Plunder?

490
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,679
Speaker 2: Charged with it wasn't a pirate, it wasn't a Viking.

491
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 3: So he gets twelve years, has to forfeit his property.

492
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 3: Nineteen fifty one US High Commissioner John J. McCloy granted

493
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 3: and and see what yeah, And then he was released

494
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 3: from Landsburg Prison. A year later he marries Vera.

495
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 2: So he still had plenty on once he got out.

496
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,120
Speaker 3: Oh yeah. In nineteen fifty three, there was this agreement

497
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:16,640
Speaker 3: where his confiscated assets were returned subject to Allied conditions.

498
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,119
Speaker 3: And that meant notably that the separation of the sale

499
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,400
Speaker 3: and certain mining and steel holdings.

500
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 2: So they wanted him to like sell their to sell

501
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,160
Speaker 2: the mines off and then he can keep the rest

502
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,120
Speaker 2: of her own kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, so give

503
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 2: us the natural resources, We'll let you keep your binary.

504
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,160
Speaker 3: Nineteen fifty three, he becomes head of Krepp again.

505
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 2: It's like.

506
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,679
Speaker 3: It says, if nothing happened, I mentioned that. You know,

507
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 3: obviously he's not permitted in the US because and that

508
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 3: was because of his war crimes conviction, that little thing.

509
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 3: But there's Verra right live in her best life in Vegas.

510
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 3: Nineteen fifty five, the year before she divorced her Nazi husband,

511
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 3: she bought the ranch. She's like, I love the States.

512
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,919
Speaker 3: I'm sorry you can't join me, but I don't want.

513
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,360
Speaker 2: To here Southwest. The climate is perfect.

514
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 3: The light is incredible, I can breathe. And so she

515
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 3: she bought the bar Nothing ranch from Chester luc who

516
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 3: played Lum of the Lum and Abner radio team. And

517
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:15,439
Speaker 3: so the ranch was like at the foot of the

518
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 3: east side of Mount Charleston, which is like twenty miles

519
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,439
Speaker 3: from the peak where observers sat to witness atomic tests

520
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 3: at the Nevada test site. Okay, and so it also

521
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,880
Speaker 3: looked directly over the Las Vegas Strip, and she renamed

522
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 3: it Spring Mountain Ranch, which is now a district in

523
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 3: Vegas Spring Mountain. So she paid three hundred and thirty

524
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 3: two thousand dollars for the ranch, yeah, which today is

525
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 3: like four million. Oh ok, and it's so it's got

526
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:47,719
Speaker 3: this like swanky ranch house. It has more than eleven

527
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 3: hundred acres of land, plus grazing rights on a quarter

528
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 3: of a million acres owned by the federal government. So

529
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 3: she had like the Clive and Bundy without.

530
00:26:58,040 --> 00:26:59,679
Speaker 2: The without the shoots.

531
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 3: You. So, a bunch of movies had been filmed at

532
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 3: this place over the years.

533
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 2: I was wondering.

534
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 3: It was quite the spot and it was isolated to

535
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 3: be sure, but like, yeah, Ford loved it. I'm sure

536
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 3: of it. Probably. So around this time she'd also been

537
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 3: involved with the development of a place called a New

538
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 3: Frontier Hotel in Vegas. So she and a swimming pool

539
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 3: contractor out of Los Angeles named Louis Mansion m A

540
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 3: N H O N Mansion swimming pool contract So I

541
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 3: had to put it in there. It was like cruise

542
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 3: ship magician swimming pool contractor. They're trying to get a

543
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 3: casino off the ground, and the effort it only lasted

544
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 3: a few months before they had to give it up

545
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,239
Speaker 3: and sell it off to another group of stockholders. But

546
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 3: those few months totally they racked up tons of lawsuits

547
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 3: about like broken contracts, money owed, unpaid taxes. Oh yeah,

548
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 3: and like reading between the lines in all of the

549
00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 3: contemporaneous reporting, it sounds like me maybe Louis was her boyfriend,

550
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 3: and then he kind of convinced her to go into

551
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 3: this business venture that wasn't a casino. Yeah, you got money,

552
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 3: I love I could design. Yeah, and it's not really

553
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 3: thought out very well. I think someone else reading between

554
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 3: the lines like that was missus Manson. Yeah, hold that

555
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:25,360
Speaker 3: thought so vera. She divorced the Nazi in nineteen fifty six, Yeah,

556
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 3: finalized the next year. She'd originally asked for five million

557
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 3: in the divorce settlement. That's like asking for sixty million today.

558
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 2: It's more than I've ever asked for. So I don't

559
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 2: even know.

560
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 3: Well, I asked for it every day nothing happens. But

561
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 3: then I guess the Nazi was really like fighting her

562
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 3: on it. So she gave up the quest for five mil.

563
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 3: But she still got a ton, So I don't know.

564
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 3: She got some huge chunk of change. I'm not sure

565
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 3: how much but as soon as she filed for divorce,

566
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 3: Missus Mansion filed suit against Verra, claiming what the papers

567
00:28:53,960 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 3: were calling, quote love theft, alienation of affection, but all

568
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 3: the papers called it love theft. Yeah, so the missus

569
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 3: she wanted three hundred thousand dollars for her troubles after

570
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 3: she said Vera used her like German siren songs to

571
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 3: lure Louisa. I don't know what became of that suit

572
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 3: because it's just like all over the papers that she

573
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 3: filed it. It was going to go to court. Nothing

574
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 3: after that, probably, and I wish the misses well.

575
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 2: That didn't make the papers.

576
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 3: No, But so there's Vera back at the ranch. Meanwhile,

577
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 3: back at the ranch, it is a cool place, huge

578
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 3: ranch house like rustic but still posh.

579
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 2: You know, I'll take it.

580
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 3: Let's go there, Zarin, close your eyes. Oh yeah, I

581
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 3: want you to picture it. You are Harold Brotherson and

582
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 3: you are a ranch hand at Spring Mountain Ranch. It's

583
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 3: great work, all of the cowboys stuff without too much

584
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 3: of the grit or discomfort. You want for nothing at

585
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 3: this place. You have all the best equipment, You've got

586
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,959
Speaker 3: your own little cottage on the property. You are treated well.

587
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 3: Best gig a guy could ask for. It's April tenth,

588
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 3: nineteen fifty nine. You and the owner of the ranch,

589
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 3: Vera Krupp, are just finishing up dinner. You're looking forward

590
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 3: to retiring to your cottage to read and rest. Vera's

591
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 3: a character and a great boss. As the housekeeper places

592
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 3: the dishes in the sink and then excuses herself to

593
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 3: go lie down, you look over at Vera and take

594
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 3: stock of her. She's a handsome, good looking woman, always

595
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 3: put together, has that funny accent, and always wears that

596
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 3: giant diamond ring of hers, never takes it off. You're

597
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 3: about to get up from the table and head out

598
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 3: to your cottage when you hear tires crunching on the

599
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 3: gravel drive outside. You see headlights brightened the windows in

600
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 3: the living room. Then there's a knock at the back door.

601
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 2: Vera jumps up.

602
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 3: And walks across the kitchen to the door. She calls

603
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 3: out through the sidelights. Who is it. A man's voice

604
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 3: says he's a road contract. He wants to ask her

605
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,239
Speaker 3: about paving the driveway you've just been talking about this

606
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 3: last week. Humph. Vera shrugs and unlocks the door, opening

607
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 3: it up to the cool spring night. The man doesn't

608
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 3: wait on the stoop to chat. He takes a large

609
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 3: step into the house with two men right behind him.

610
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 3: You're standing by the table when they draw their guns

611
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 3: and shove Vera onto the kitchen floor. One heads your

612
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 3: way and grabs you by the arm, throwing you to

613
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 3: the ground as well. You don't fight or argue. The

614
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 3: guy has a gun and all you have is your

615
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 3: full belly. Your shotgun is in your cottage. One of

616
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 3: the henchmen grabs a lamp from the side table nearby

617
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 3: and yanks it from the wall. He then rips the

618
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 3: cord from the lamp. His colleague grabs your arms and

619
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 3: pulls them behind you, handcuffing your wrists. The first man

620
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 3: has a firm grip on Vera's arm. She's trying to

621
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 3: negotiate with him, tells him he doesn't have to do

622
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 3: this in silence. The man looks at Vera's hand and

623
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,719
Speaker 3: sees the giant diamond. Sorry, Vera, he says. Then he

624
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 3: rips the ring from her finger, drawing blood along the way.

625
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 3: Vera whimpers. The man shoves the ring in his pocket

626
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 3: while his buddy winds the long lamp cord around you,

627
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,959
Speaker 3: both shoving you back to back seated on the floor.

628
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 3: The third guy binds Vera's hands with rope. Each time

629
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 3: you're about to say something, Vera elbows you to keep quiet.

630
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 3: The three robbers now barrel through the house, opening cabinets,

631
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 3: dumping out drawers. You turn your head and look down

632
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 3: the hall and see them walking through the house with purpose,

633
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 3: like they know where everything is. Just as they arrived,

634
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 3: they're suddenly gone. You hear their truck roar to life

635
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 3: and tear down the driveway. Vera is calm in a

636
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 3: measured tone. She tells you that she's going to go

637
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 3: and get you both free. You can feel her wriggling

638
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 3: and working her wrists until the rope is loose and

639
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 3: her hands aliberated. She quickly unties the lamp cord and

640
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 3: jumps to her feet. She runs out the back door,

641
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 3: and then silence. Moments later, you hear her running back.

642
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 3: You turn to see that she's got a hack saw

643
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 3: in her hand. Hold still, she tells you, and then

644
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 3: she begins to quickly saw at the small chain of

645
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 3: your handcuffs. It takes a while, but Vera is determined

646
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 3: and soon you are free. You jump up and race

647
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 3: to the phone. It's battery powered. You can't get a

648
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 3: regular phone this far out of town. You lift the receiver. Nothing,

649
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 3: battery is dead. Let's go, Vera says, grabbing her keys

650
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 3: from a dish on a beautifully varnished piece of antique furniture.

651
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 3: If we can't get the cops to come to us,

652
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 3: vi'a go to the cops and with that, we'll take

653
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 3: a break. When we return the aftermath, we are back.

654
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 3: Look at me. I'm back baby. When we left off,

655
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 3: free dudes busted into Spring Mountain Ranch tied to Vera

656
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 3: and her ranch hand. They took cash, a revolver, a camera,

657
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,320
Speaker 3: and the Krupp Diamond right offer for finger.

658
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 2: Good for them.

659
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,359
Speaker 3: It was so tight that apparently she was like, let

660
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,399
Speaker 3: me spit on it and it'll be easier to get off,

661
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 3: and they're like, no, no, no, time yanked it off.

662
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 3: It ripped her finger.

663
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 2: Oh wow, I know so.

664
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 3: About the cash, the FBI website cites the figure at

665
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,359
Speaker 3: seven hundred thousand dollars in cash just sitting around. That's

666
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 3: a lot of cash, especially at nineteen fifty nine. But

667
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 3: the newspaper reports immediately following the theft, in like tons

668
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 3: of papers, not all just one, you know, a wire

669
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 3: story all said seven hundred, which is way more reasonable.

670
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 2: Yes, definitely.

671
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 3: What I'm trying to say is that I am terribly

672
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 3: disappointed with the proofreading and or fact checking on the

673
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 3: FBI website. They're falling down on the job. Over there is.

674
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 2: A recent edition probably.

675
00:34:54,800 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 3: So Vera and Howard Brotherson. You they escaped, and he's

676
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 3: so good, he's the best ranch handerness. They drove down

677
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 3: the hill to the Las Vegas Airport and the sheriff

678
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 3: issued in all points bulletin as signed four deputies to

679
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 3: the case. It was like pretty obvious to most that

680
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 3: the men and the loot and the diamond long gone

681
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 3: across state lines. By this point, was.

682
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 2: Wondering what the escape plan would It had.

683
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 3: Been hours since the home invasion, and it's like they figured,

684
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 3: like state lines have been crossed, we better call the FBI.

685
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 3: And so yeah, and Vera's wealth and that ring they

686
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:36,879
Speaker 3: weren't secrets by any stretch of the imagination. Oh yeah,

687
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 3: and people who lived in like Spring Valley area, they'd

688
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 3: seen her wearing it all over the place. She woren't

689
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 3: to the grocery store along with her standard outfit of

690
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 3: blue jeans and a sombrero. Really, this huge diamond, I

691
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 3: mean it's huge. Sure, I'm imagining like basically see thirty

692
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 3: carrot diamond, blue jeans and a sombrero to go to

693
00:35:58,640 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 3: the market.

694
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 2: It's a little high low mix in this epic and

695
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 2: I love it. I'm having fun picturing the sombre. I'm

696
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 2: picturing it like a nineteen seventies Mexican restaurant style sombrero. Large.

697
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:15,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that's what I'm saying. Mine's felts, not like woven.

698
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, mine looks like it could hold chips for like

699
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 2: a good party.

700
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, totally, it's that ridiculous, ridiculous. Yeah, I

701
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 3: like mine's like a maroon colored felt with straw. But

702
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 3: I like your yeah, yeah, Well you know what she

703
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 3: can share. Well, she may have had more than one sombrero,

704
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 3: woman had money, or it's just smelly sombrerope had party again,

705
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 3: here comes smelly Verra. Like you know, she's got this

706
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 3: huge ring. But good wash your hair? All right, where

707
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 3: were we epic sombrero? Okay, Anyway, while it seemed like

708
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 3: maybe the robbers like had been in the house before. Okay,

709
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 3: the truth is that a lot of people had and

710
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 3: word had spread, you know well as to like what

711
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 3: was in the house how Verra lived.

712
00:36:57,719 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 2: A lot of candidates are an inside job.

713
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 3: Yeah. So the FBI at this point huge, huge, So

714
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,919
Speaker 3: it's just like irrelevant. The FBI is like positive, it's

715
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 3: gone over state lines. And so they started calling all

716
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 3: the field offices in the region and they get an

717
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 3: alert that there was a similar crime out of bel Air, California. Oh,

718
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 3: that makes very similar, Samemo. And the guy on the

719
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 3: run and wanted for that score was John William Hagenson.

720
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 3: And so the FBI they show via a group of photos.

721
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 3: This wasn't just a six pack, as they said telestat,

722
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 3: it was a sixty six pack, sixty six pictures of

723
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 3: possible Oh, it was all tasteful, like all of his

724
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 3: headshots for his career. They're sixty six different dudes. So like,

725
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 3: these are all the possible suspects. So she's flipping through,

726
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 3: flipping through, she picks out two of them and said

727
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 3: that this looks like two of the robbers. One of

728
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 3: the guys that she picked out had been in jail

729
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 3: in LA at the time. So they're like, no, honey,

730
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 3: that wasn't him. Try again, and she's like, maybe is

731
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 3: this your card? She holds it up. It's John William Hagenson, like.

732
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 2: Magic exactly.

733
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 3: So his wife. Hagenson's wife had been working as a

734
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 3: cocktail waitress in Vegas up until remember this was April tenth,

735
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 3: was the robbery on April thirteenth, She just like quit

736
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 3: and left.

737
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 2: I got a new opportunity.

738
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so they're like, huh, that's curious, FBI. They

739
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 3: start tracking Hagenson across the country. He went from Vegas

740
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 3: to Ogden to Gallop to Roswell to Fort Worth to Miami,

741
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 3: and then then he doubled back and he zig zagged

742
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:50,320
Speaker 3: all over. He went to Bowser City, Louisiana, Hot Springs, Arkansas,

743
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 3: h Mobile, Birmingham, Perry, Florida, Saint Louis He went to

744
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 3: Chicago twice, Newark, New Jersey.

745
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 2: Everywhere he went minor league, like golf.

746
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 3: Well he's doing that. I've been everywhere cash stock exactly.

747
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 3: So everywhere he goes, the FBI is like on his tail.

748
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 3: Field offices are working overtime to like keep on track

749
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 3: and try to get one step ahead because they just

750
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 3: find oh, he just left.

751
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 2: You just missed him.

752
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,280
Speaker 3: Yeah. So the Chicago there.

753
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 2: Was the reports of him.

754
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 3: You know, the FBI, they got a big.

755
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:25,839
Speaker 2: They got people everywhere. This is like, this is still

756
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 2: Jagger Hoover's Yeah.

757
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 3: Yeah. So this agent out of the Chicago office, he

758
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 3: met a guy who said that Hagenson had been trying

759
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 3: to fence some furs taken from that Bell Air robbery.

760
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 3: And then back in Vegas, the dragnet pulled another suspect,

761
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 3: Marion Carter Bowman. Dude. Supposedly he'd been flat broke, but

762
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:48,959
Speaker 3: like then he starts telling his pals there's this big

763
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 3: deal that he's involved in. And then after April tenth,

764
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 3: he's got tons of money.

765
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 2: And more work and yeah, got a lot of time

766
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:56,359
Speaker 2: to play cards.

767
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,720
Speaker 3: And they got a tip that there were some people

768
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 3: staying at the lan Western Hills Motel in Boser City,

769
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 3: Louisiana who were quote acting strange. I don't know what

770
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 3: that means.

771
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 2: I wish I did. I've heard it about myself. I

772
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 2: just don't know what it means.

773
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 3: At the motel local officers. I would imagine at this place,

774
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 3: the Lassan's Western Hills Motel, there's a lot of strange activities.

775
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 3: So what stands out stand out in that? How do

776
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 3: you be molto strange? Okay? So the local officers they

777
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,760
Speaker 3: show up, Hagens and his wife are there. They arrest

778
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,280
Speaker 3: him there in one room. Mary and Carter Bowman, William

779
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 3: Snead Davy, and then Davy's wife they're in another room.

780
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 3: They get busted. They find in Missus Davies's purse, the

781
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 3: camera VIA's camera. All three guys claimed that they knew

782
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 3: nothing about this crrup Ruby who I'm sorry, they where

783
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 3: never heard of it? Las Vegas? What is this?

784
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 2: Oh?

785
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 3: No? So okay, So the FBI they find out that

786
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 3: there's this man named Don s Evans. He just left

787
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 3: the motel like right before the cops got there, and

788
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 3: apparently he was the guy with the mink from the

789
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 3: bell air job and so Bowman maryon Bowman. He was

790
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 3: a self described golf pro.

791
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 2: I see I caught it with the minor league golf.

792
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 2: It totally sounds like the golf pro.

793
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 3: But he also had a criminal record and a conviction

794
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 3: that he did four months for theft. So that Don

795
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,399
Speaker 3: Evans guy that took off with the mink, he turned

796
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 3: out to actually be James George Reeves. He's a thirty

797
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 3: year old underworld figure with an extensive record of arrests

798
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 3: in the South and the Midwest. So I love that.

799
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 3: So a complaint I was like, how do I describe

800
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:45,280
Speaker 3: this man an underworld? So a complained had been filed

801
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 3: against Hagenson on April twenty first, charging in with quote

802
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 3: interstate flight to avoid prosecution for the LA the bell

803
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 3: Air robbery, the others. They got released because there wasn't

804
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:57,760
Speaker 3: enough evidence.

805
00:41:57,840 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 2: I could see that.

806
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 3: But meanwhile, the FBI is like not giving up. Let's

807
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,720
Speaker 3: keep working this case. Let's focus on the East Coast.

808
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 3: An agent in Newark, New Jersey learned that a large

809
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 3: unmounted diamond reportedly stolen in Nevada had shown up in

810
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 3: that city and it was being shown around to prospective

811
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:19,399
Speaker 3: buyers by Julius Berger. And when Burger was picked up,

812
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 3: he said that the ring was being held by James

813
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 3: George Reeves, who was driving a new Ford and staying

814
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 3: with his wife at an Elizabeth, New Jersey motel. Now

815
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 3: the name rang a bell for the agents because in

816
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 3: Boser City, Don Evans had been identified as James Reeves,

817
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 3: and that was they did it through like the car

818
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 3: license listed on the motel's records, so Burger he gets

819
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 3: charged with receiving stolen goods. The agents went to the motel,

820
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 3: they found mister and missus Reeves. The couple both denied everything.

821
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:56,240
Speaker 3: I don't know nothing about nothing, But then they searched

822
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 3: them and the diamond was found in the bottom left

823
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 3: line of Reeve's jacket.

824
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 2: She's seen his jacket just as.

825
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 3: Jacket in the lining. He's like, if they look in

826
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 3: the pockets, they'll never find it.

827
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 2: And I mean I get with the like the a

828
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 2: lot of like smugglers, Like you know, Pablo Escobar's mother

829
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:13,399
Speaker 2: made him a coat with the lining where you could

830
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 2: like put in the cocaine. Like it's very common back then,

831
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 2: it's in particular, but with something like that, it could

832
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 2: cut through that fabric. It's like, why would you unless

833
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 2: maybe it's reinforced. I don't know, maybe I'm overthinking it,

834
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 2: but still I would think that they give it to

835
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:28,720
Speaker 2: the wife. I guess you didn't maybe trust her entirely,

836
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 2: who knows.

837
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 3: May twenty six, Reeves signs a statement where he admits

838
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 3: his part in the robbery and he implicates the other

839
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 3: suspects as well as this guy from Texas named Edward Hay.

840
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 2: He turns still Rose.

841
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 3: In another one. Here's the guy you haven't heard of yet,

842
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 3: Eddie Hey.

843
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, for get the fifth one.

844
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 3: Free Julius Berger. He gave the FBI a seven page

845
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 3: signed statement admitting his involvement.

846
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 2: He had a lawyer.

847
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah. Hagenson was sent back to LA to

848
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 3: stand trial for the bell Aer robbery. When everyone else

849
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 3: got released in Bowser City, they just ran for it.

850
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 3: But the FBI is watching. With Reeve's statement, now they

851
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 3: could charge all of them for transporting stolen property. In Hey,

852
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 3: he gets picked up in Texas City May second. Davy

853
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 3: and Bowman, they're located in Mexico and they're taken into

854
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 3: custody by FBI agents when they re enter the US

855
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:25,280
Speaker 3: through Laredo.

856
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:26,320
Speaker 2: Oh okay.

857
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 3: Almost immediately things got more complicated. Hagenson was released June

858
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 3: first on a fifty thousand dollars bond, and like, so

859
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,760
Speaker 3: twenty five grand of that was the bell Ayer charge

860
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 3: and twenty five was the federal catcha. He left La,

861
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 3: went to Vegas as soon as he's on bail. Yeah,

862
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,240
Speaker 3: and then he like eats a bunch of sleeping pills

863
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 3: winds up in the hospital. They're like, dude, come on,

864
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 3: bail bondsman has to leave La. Go pick him up

865
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 3: in Vegas, bring them back to La. Bond is revoked.

866
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 3: They're like, we can't trust you. You get checked into

867
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 3: the hospital. Federal grand jury in Las Vegas indicted Burger, who,

868
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,479
Speaker 3: by the way, was like owned a grocery store.

869
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:10,280
Speaker 2: So wondering about him, I figured he was up front

870
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 2: and of fence, but I thought maybe he was closer

871
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 2: to something other than groceries. He was selling something legit

872
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 2: or something just.

873
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 3: Like you could have shoved the diamond in like a

874
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 3: cabin at. Yeah. So the federal grand jury in Vegas

875
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 3: indicts Burger, Bowman, Davy, Hagenson, Hay and Reeves for conspiracy

876
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:33,399
Speaker 3: to transport stolen property interstate. Everyone except for Burger gets

877
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 3: charged with interstate transportation of stolen property because he was

878
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 3: out on the East Coast the whole time. On the

879
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 3: first morning of the trial, things are already going badly

880
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 3: for the defense, like.

881
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 2: Burger, and they have very loose ties. I imagine, Yeah.

882
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 3: Burger, he's the one who tried to sell the diamond

883
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 3: in Newark. Yeah, he suddenly changes his plead guilty and

884
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 3: flips on everybody.

885
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:54,800
Speaker 2: So it's kind of like a game theory who cheats first?

886
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And on the third day, Reeves and Davy

887
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 3: also changed their pleas to guilt, and then they get

888
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 3: their conspiracy charges dropped. So Friday, November thirteen, confirm, so

889
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 3: they have all that statement but they still have yeah,

890
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 3: so they're finally like okay, fine, Hey Hagenson Bowman. They

891
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:20,280
Speaker 3: get found guilty on both conspiracy and transportation. A week later, Reeves, Davy,

892
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 3: and Burger come up for sentencing on their guilty Please.

893
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 3: Reeves gets sentenced to eight years in prison, but that's

894
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 3: only after he had done He gets that once he

895
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 3: has finished his pre existing two ten year sentences for

896
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 3: burglary in Arkansas outstanding. Oh, Davy got five years, and

897
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,720
Speaker 3: then Burger got three years probation. Because it's always pays

898
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 3: to be the first to sing.

899
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 2: Yeah. December like this like the normal straight world of like.

900
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 3: Exactly, let's see December eleventh, Hey, Hagenson Bowman. They get

901
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 3: sentenced to five years for violation of the conspiracy statute,

902
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 3: ten years on the transportation count, and it's going to

903
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 3: run concurrently, so fifteen Hagenson's term would start after he'd

904
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:11,439
Speaker 3: served his California sentence of five years to life. Five

905
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 3: to life what is that on the burglary charge. Here's

906
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 3: a little wrinkle for you.

907
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:17,319
Speaker 2: I love wrinkles me too.

908
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 3: The day before Hey, Hagenson and Bowman were sentence, the

909
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 3: district court clerk, who had recorded the trial transcript in

910
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 3: shorthand died in a car accident.

911
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 2: The district court clerk okay.

912
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, so like you know, the distenographer.

913
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

914
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 3: So the court officials they ordered the notes to be

915
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,879
Speaker 3: transcribed by another stenographer. But then the lawyers for Hey,

916
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 3: Hagenson and Bowman said, no, this new transcript is not satisfactory.

917
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 3: We want a new trial.

918
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 2: They can't read her handwrite.

919
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 3: I don't know. They filed a motion for a new trial.

920
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 3: So it wound up being moot for Hay because he

921
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 3: passed away while free on bond. But Hagenson and Bowman

922
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:00,040
Speaker 3: June twentieth, nineteen sixty three, the motion for an a

923
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 3: new trial was granted and they went on trial for

924
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 3: the second time October first, nineteen sixty three. Hagenson the

925
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 3: alleged idea man, right, he beat the rap. How I

926
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:14,879
Speaker 3: don't know. But then they sent him back to San

927
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 3: Quentin to finish off the California sentence. Bowman, who was

928
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 3: the guy who said he was the paving cottrector he

929
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:26,959
Speaker 3: knocked on the door. Yeah, that fateful night, that was him.

930
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 3: He gets convicted and he draws a five year term,

931
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,800
Speaker 3: ten thousand dollars fine for conspiracy and then ten years

932
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 3: for transporting stolen property. Yeah, so what of the diamond?

933
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, what happened to that?

934
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 3: Well, with all three diamonds recovered, So the center stone

935
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:48,919
Speaker 3: was recovered, the side baguettes were recovered. Vera rebuilt the ring,

936
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 3: Harry Winston reset it in platinum this time.

937
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

938
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,760
Speaker 3: So she later donated a glass replica of the diamond

939
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 3: to the FBI in recognition of the case. Like you

940
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 3: get some FBI loves this story. They have a big

941
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 3: thing on their website. Oh yeah, they're all jazzed about it.

942
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 2: We got a rock too.

943
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 3: It makes them feel electric in their bodies. So Richard Burton,

944
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 3: he eventually bought the diamonds and it was renamed and

945
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:22,839
Speaker 3: widely publicized as Elizabeth Taylor died. Right Taylor, She wore

946
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 3: it all the time on screen, off screen like you

947
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 3: can see it in some movies. She was like Vera, like,

948
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 3: I'm not taking this thing off because it's amazing.

949
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 2: Do you have soap and so?

950
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 3: Then what happened to Vera? Although I heard if you

951
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 3: if a ring gets stuck windex.

952
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 2: Okay, what do you call it? Like floss? You wrap

953
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:39,439
Speaker 2: it around?

954
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:39,879
Speaker 4: Yeah?

955
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know that's good.

956
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, next time I want to rip a ring off

957
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 3: some ladies and I'll put I'll put the windecks in

958
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,919
Speaker 3: like a holster, ready to go, and I'm armed, ready

959
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 3: to go. So Vera kept remodeling the ranch. She added

960
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:03,399
Speaker 3: a secret passage bedroom. It looks like a bookcase. Yeah,

961
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 3: you pull it open and you can run.

962
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 2: She wanted to be dark.

963
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, she wanted escape routes in the house. After that

964
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 3: horrible night. She lived at the ranch until sixty four.

965
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 3: Then she moved to bell Air because of her poor health.

966
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 3: In nineteen sixty seven, she sold the ranch to Howard Hughes,

967
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 3: Sir exactly, friend of the show, six hundred and twenty

968
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 3: five thousand dollars. He never lived there himself.

969
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 2: He just wanted to have it.

970
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 3: It was just part of his Vegas real estate portfolio.

971
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 3: He sold it for one point five million to his

972
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 3: business partners, Fletcher Jones and William Murphy in nineteen seventy two.

973
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 3: And Jones and Murphy they wanted to build this like

974
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:46,240
Speaker 3: huge equestrian oriented housing development there for like two thousand people,

975
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 3: and the public was like, no, absolutely not, stop it.

976
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:51,760
Speaker 3: And they hit him with a paper.

977
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 2: Why were they so against me?

978
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 3: Because they're like, this is ridiculous. It's so beautiful in

979
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 3: pristine and you want to put a development out there.

980
00:50:58,800 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 2: Don't break up the ranch.

981
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 3: So Jones was like fine, and they the public like

982
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 3: puts so much pressure on the county that they're like,

983
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:06,879
Speaker 3: I don't think we're going to let you rezone it.

984
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 2: This is our Yellowstone. Jones was like, Whateverton Ranch can't

985
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 2: be broken up.

986
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 3: So then he's like, fine, we'll just auction it off.

987
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 3: This is too much trouble.

988
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 2: Guys are a hassle. We're making our profit. We're out

989
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:16,879
Speaker 2: of here.

990
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,720
Speaker 3: The Bureau of Land Management and the Nevada State Parks

991
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 3: they came up with this plan for the place, bought it.

992
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 3: Spring Mountain Ranch became a state park in nineteen seventy three.

993
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 3: You can go there today, look in the house, see

994
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 3: the secret passageway. Oh yeah, and they are all sorts

995
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 3: of cool hiking trails.

996
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 2: Grab the keys, come on, let's go.

997
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 3: Oh vera. She passed away in nineteen sixty seven at

998
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 3: the age of just forty eight, from complications from diabetes.

999
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 2: That seemed said I didn't think I expected her to

1000
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 2: die in the eighties at the earliest.

1001
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, she died pretty young. You know, they didn't have

1002
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:52,799
Speaker 3: I'm assuming she had type one diabetes, and they didn't

1003
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 3: really have good ways to treat those things.

1004
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,439
Speaker 2: Maybe she didn't catch it early enough. She did, like

1005
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,760
Speaker 2: like cellular damage.

1006
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 3: Really like that. When she moved to Bellair, and she

1007
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 3: was like, really went to Cedars SIINAI all the time.

1008
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 3: It's pastway.

1009
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 2: Some pizza's there all the time to really wealthy people.

1010
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,320
Speaker 3: Was it in nineteen sixty seven, Were you bringing her pizza?

1011
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 2: No, but I did go. I'd have to get to

1012
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 2: go to the room cases and you get like a

1013
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 2: special dispensation because you're like a delivery person, and they're like, Okay,

1014
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 2: I don't want to deal with this. I'm busy, I'm

1015
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 2: a nurse, I'm an orderly Like I could go up

1016
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 2: to this room and and uh, that's a crazy hospital

1017
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 2: because I'm like some many people have private it. Look

1018
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 2: you walk in it looks like an apartment, looks like

1019
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 2: they have like they've decorated it.

1020
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:31,759
Speaker 3: Did you go in with a pizza and then if

1021
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 3: they're asleep, you pulled the ivy out and just sucked

1022
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 3: out like a caprice son?

1023
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:37,360
Speaker 2: So'ere like this is why they choose on my face.

1024
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:41,479
Speaker 3: Like I can't move my arms, put it on my face.

1025
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 2: I just want to feel the warmth.

1026
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 3: What's your ridiculous takeaway?

1027
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 2: By the way, oh man, this like I'm really curious

1028
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 2: about Richard Burton and his need for all the joy.

1029
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,280
Speaker 2: That's a side note, But I love that Elizabeth Taylor

1030
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 2: is like yes to life and also diamonds. That is

1031
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 2: part of my yes to life, Like she lives so

1032
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 2: fully on a apologetically about like I like diamonds what

1033
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 2: and I don't care who they belong to if they

1034
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 2: are part of some violent crime that everyone's like kind

1035
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 2: of been horrified by. They make me happy.

1036
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:10,399
Speaker 3: She lived a luxurious life.

1037
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 2: What's your ridiculous take away? A littab bit.

1038
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 3: My ridiculous takeaway is, uh, you know, I'm curious. I

1039
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:19,280
Speaker 3: wanted I looked up more about this battery operated phone.

1040
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 3: It's weird to me.

1041
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 2: Well, it was basically like an early cell phone, right,

1042
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess sounds like you know the ones

1043
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 2: that used to have, like in the you see in

1044
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 2: the movies. And it doesn't matter once you get a

1045
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 2: certain level of technology, it's it's all pretty much the

1046
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 2: same as it was. Getting the power size down in

1047
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:35,359
Speaker 2: the range and the receiver.

1048
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:36,799
Speaker 3: That must have been horrible you pick it up.

1049
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,280
Speaker 2: Oh so it's basically like a walk early walkie talking

1050
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 2: in a sense. But you're working on.

1051
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 3: A break breaker. Yeah, you know what we need right

1052
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 3: now as to talk back.

1053
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I.

1054
00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 5: Love Hi, Elizabeth and Zarin. My name is Tom, and

1055
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 5: I just want to say I was so excited to

1056
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 5: hear that you guys are doing an episode on All

1057
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 5: the I'm like a huge fan of that place and

1058
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 5: always tell people to go there because it saves me

1059
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 5: so much on groceries. But as I was listening to

1060
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:20,279
Speaker 5: your episode, I was preparing dinner and realized that all

1061
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 5: the chicken I bought from Aldi is woody and disgusting

1062
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,919
Speaker 5: and pretty much not usable. So be cautious out there.

1063
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 5: Thanks guys, love your show.

1064
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:40,439
Speaker 3: That's a good heads up, happened to you costco. That's

1065
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 3: a public service announcement, right, that's good stuff.

1066
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 2: Mind your chickens and that's all we have.

1067
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 3: Yes, you can find us online at ridiculous Crime dot com.

1068
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 3: I have an announcement to make. We have received no

1069
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Speaker 3: awards this week.

1070
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Speaker 2: No nominations.

1071
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:59,399
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1072
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:03,160
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1073
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 3: and you can email Ridiculous Crime at gmail dot com.

1074
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:10,040
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1075
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1076
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Speaker 3: Zaren Burnett, produced and edited by Elizabeth Taylor's secret forty

1077
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Speaker 3: third husband Dave Cousten, starring Annalys Rutger Is Judith. Research

1078
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1079
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Speaker 3: Guest Haron, makeup by Sparkleshot and mister Andre. Executive producers

1082
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Speaker 3: are Semi pro ranch Hands Ben Bollen and Noel Brown.

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