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Speaker 1: Behind the Bastards. It's a podcast about the worst people

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Speaker 1: for a chunk of the year with the measles. And

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Speaker 1: through phillis biography in this period, she seems like the

426
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Speaker 1: platonic ideal of an ambitious nineteen forties girl. Uh. She

427
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Speaker 1: graduated valedictorian. All of her friends were these wealthy, gifted

428
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Speaker 1: children of aristocratic Catholic St. Louis families. Um. Her grades

429
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Speaker 1: earned her a four year scholarship at Maryville College, which

430
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Speaker 1: was a local Catholic school, and Phillis went there for

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Speaker 1: a year, but she was disappointed, finding it too easy,

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Speaker 1: so she enrolled instead at Washington University, where she would

433
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Speaker 1: have to pay her own tuition. I should note here

434
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Speaker 1: that at one point in the past, it was possible

435
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Speaker 1: for students to pay their own tuition to college without

436
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Speaker 1: you know, being rich, Like that was the thing that

437
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Speaker 1: you used to be able to do. Now, World War

438
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,560
Speaker 1: Two was in the middle of like happening at this

439
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Speaker 1: point when when Phillis starts doing college and in the

440
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Speaker 1: middle yeah, so she needs a full time job in

441
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Speaker 1: order to pay for college, and thankfully there's this horrible

442
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Speaker 1: war going on, so it's actually really easy to find work. Uh,

443
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Speaker 1: And she gets a full time job at the St.

444
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Speaker 1: Louis Ordinance Plant, testing ammunition by shooting machine guns all day, um,

445
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Speaker 1: which is at the sick job and also non traditional

446
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:07,960
Speaker 1: in the like in the old timey gender roles. Since like, yeah,

447
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 1: totally only bringing that up because it sounds like she

448
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:15,359
Speaker 1: she's gonna get worse, and I'm like, m interesting, Yeah,

449
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 1: it's a pretty cool gig um she gets and fifty

450
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Speaker 1: dollars a year to shoot these machine guns, which is

451
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Speaker 1: about the equivalent about twenty a year now. But that

452
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 1: was a living wage back then. Like that was enough

453
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Speaker 1: for her to live and pay for college. Um, because

454
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 1: it was just a different time. Uh. So Phillis like

455
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Speaker 1: was working constantly between school and her job. She didn't

456
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Speaker 1: really have any free time. But she seemed happy, happy,

457
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 1: and she was able to live independently working for the government. Uh,

458
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,359
Speaker 1: Phillis earned her bachelor's degree, and she went to Harvard

459
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Speaker 1: and got a graduate degree. And and to talk like

460
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Speaker 1: I want to at this point kind of zip ahead

461
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,440
Speaker 1: sixty years to elderly eighties seven year old Phillis when

462
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Speaker 1: she was giving a speech in two thousand thirteen, because

463
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Speaker 1: she brought up this part of her life, her time

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Speaker 1: at Harvard, during a speech fun of a bunch of

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Speaker 1: white right wing activists. Uh. And I want to tell

466
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Speaker 1: I want to read this to you so you can

467
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Speaker 1: see kind of how she framed her time in school. Quote.

468
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Speaker 1: Let me tell you, I worked my way through college

469
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Speaker 1: and got my college degree at a great university, Washington

470
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Speaker 1: University of St. Louis in nineteen forty four. No discrimination

471
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 1: of any kind she's highlighting that she liked there was

472
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Speaker 1: there was no discrimination of women before feminism. I then

473
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 1: went to Harvard graduate school and competed with all of

474
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Speaker 1: the guys, no discrimination whatsoever, got my Harvard degree in

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Speaker 1: nineteen forty five, and my mother got her bachelor's degree

476
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Speaker 1: at a great coed university in nineteen twenty. So all

477
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 1: these opportunities were out there before you were all born,

478
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Speaker 1: and the feminists had absolutely nothing to do with it.

479
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Speaker 1: So that's the way she frames this is like no

480
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Speaker 1: discrimination as if discrimination is like as long as you are,

481
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Speaker 1: as long as you make it, there's no discrimination that

482
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Speaker 1: exists at all. Like it's like, well, if you didn't

483
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 1: get in or you didn't get something, it could be

484
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Speaker 1: discrimination might not be, but that doesn't imply that there's

485
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Speaker 1: none at all, Like how many people were, like how

486
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Speaker 1: many women were you know in the class versus men?

487
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Speaker 1: Or was it just that you sounded like you did

488
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Speaker 1: really well And then you're like, well it doesn't exist. Yeah, yeah,

489
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 1: And there's that whole statement is a pack of lies.

490
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Speaker 1: And I'm gonna quote now from a writeup by journalist A.

491
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Speaker 1: Dell Stand to kind of break down why in truth

492
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Speaker 1: Laftly would have been barred from entry to Harvard's undergraduate

493
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Speaker 1: programs in nineteen forty five, as well as from its

494
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,920
Speaker 1: law school, and while she studied with the men, Harvard,

495
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 1: under pressure from feminists, had just begun admitting women to

496
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Speaker 1: some of its graduate programs. Her degree was conferred not

497
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Speaker 1: by Harvard, but by the women's college with which it

498
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Speaker 1: was affiliated, Radcliffe. She Laughtly also failed to mention that

499
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Speaker 1: at the time her mother earned her degree, the Nineteenth

500
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Speaker 1: Amendment to the Constitution, which, thanks for the efforts of

501
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Speaker 1: first wave feminists, granted women the right to vote, had

502
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Speaker 1: not yet been ratified. So, like she she leaves out

503
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Speaker 1: a lot here, like the fact that she wouldn't have

504
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Speaker 1: gotten to go to Harvard at all without pressure from feminists,

505
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Speaker 1: and the fact that Harvard was so bigoted it would

506
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Speaker 1: not give her a degree. She had to. She did

507
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Speaker 1: the studying at Harvard, but she had to be given

508
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Speaker 1: a degree by an affiliated college because they didn't want

509
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Speaker 1: Everard didn't want to be seen as giving degrees to women.

510
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Speaker 1: This is a little like Stockholm syndrome, like the way

511
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Speaker 1: she is, because it's almost like the lady doth protest

512
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Speaker 1: too much like I don't go back and talk about

513
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,879
Speaker 1: all the times I haven't been discriminated against. But if

514
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 1: you're going to bring that up in your speech, and

515
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 1: it's like, hmm, perhaps you're defending something you know in

516
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 1: your heart to be true that you don't want to

517
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Speaker 1: look at. Yeah, and I yeah exactly, So let's get

518
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Speaker 1: back to yes before you get back to it. It's Sophie,

519
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 1: that's not how we do things here. We have to

520
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,159
Speaker 1: start by saying something horrible and then we use that

521
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 1: and to lead into a podcast ad like Teresa, how

522
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 1: often do you think about the Armenian genocide? Where are

523
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:49,159
Speaker 1: you going with this one? Buddy? Is this rhetorical? I

524
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,160
Speaker 1: that was not a good way to lead into Sophie,

525
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,440
Speaker 1: how do we I've forgotten how to do this job?

526
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:59,640
Speaker 1: What are you trying to sell? Nothing? The products here?

527
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:09,360
Speaker 1: Haven't I add? We're back? Uh? And boy, howdye? I

528
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: watched that last transition. I was expecting you to go

529
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,919
Speaker 1: full wake Ago and then you just like didn't. It

530
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: was weird. I I you know, I'm fighting a cold.

531
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Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know. I just I don't have the

532
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 1: Waco inmate. Today. You're doing great, Robert, the spirit of

533
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 1: corresh is not okay, thank you. So here we go,

534
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: let's get back to it. Um. So Phillis, uh, you know,

535
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 1: goes to Harvard, gets her degree from an affiliated school

536
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 1: because Harvard doesn't want to give degrees taking girls. Uh.

537
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 1: Phillis does not seem to have been particularly political at

538
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 1: this point in her career. When she did write about politics. Um,

539
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 1: she didn't really exhibit a hard right bias like we

540
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 1: have some of her essays from this period, and she

541
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 1: was actually really into the idea. This is again right

542
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: around the end of World War Two to the creation

543
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 1: of the Unit. She was really into the idea of

544
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,199
Speaker 1: the creation of the United Nations and like establishing a

545
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: national order which could act as a bulwark against the

546
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 1: aggression of dangerous countries, which is like so you know,

547
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 1: n She's like, oh, yeah, of course there should be

548
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 1: a United Nations that helps keep the peace internationally. Um. Now, obviously,

549
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 1: as Philish Schlafly, you know, when she became a major

550
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 1: active as she would reject any hint that there should

551
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 1: be an international order or like cooperation for peace. But

552
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: in nineteen forty five she wasn't like a nativist, hard

553
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: right cynic. Yet the shift in her seems to have

554
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 1: started after the end of World War Two, without great

555
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: global threats to confront the US, the government began to

556
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: disassemble the various agencies that had created to like build

557
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 1: the army that was necessary to find World War two.

558
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: So in an instant, the job market went from this

559
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: wide open place flush with cash to a contracting market

560
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 1: where returning veterans got preferential treatment and young women like

561
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 1: Phyllis were unable to find work. Uh. And I'm gonna

562
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: quote now from a segment of her biography that highlights

563
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: what I think is probably the clearest first evidence we

564
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Speaker 1: have of her embraceve right wing ideology. In November, Phillis

565
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: Stewart when a reader's essay contest sponsored by the Washington

566
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: Daily News, declaring the cards are stacked against the enterprising

567
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: and ambitious person and in favor of the mediocre adults

568
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:18,719
Speaker 1: or the unqualified veteran UM. So she's basically talking about

569
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: like the fact that the government is giving preference to

570
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: UM two people who aren't like her for employment, and

571
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 1: like that's the thing. It sounds like a lot of

572
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: people on Twitter right now. Yeah, But also just the

573
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: idea of like calling an unqualified, Like it's like they've

574
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: fought and I don't know, because there's so many layers

575
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 1: to this, and I'm it's interesting. I'm seeing your brain

576
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 1: kind of like going to overdrive, and I feel like

577
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: at one point it just crashes, like it's like too

578
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: many things and thoughts. And she's like, I don't know

579
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 1: what to believe. I guess we'll just reset it. Yeah,

580
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't I don't know about that. Um.

581
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: In terms of like what's going on in her head

582
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: right now, I think there's actually a pretty straight point,

583
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: like she seems to start at, like like like her

584
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: issue here is that like the government is giving actual

585
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: preference to veterans and stuff, like there are a bunch

586
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: of different kind of like job benefits that they got.

587
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: But she's trying to get work right now, right, So

588
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: she's still kind of pro working woman. Yeah, she's it's

589
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: more that she's anti UM. She's anti like these the

590
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: people who are coming in and like taking the jobs

591
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: that she wants to get, like even though they're kind

592
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: of like veterans and the people you'd think are supposed

593
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 1: to be heroes, Like she she developed this kind of

594
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: issue because there um they're they're they're taking the work

595
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: that she wants, and she sees it as like, well,

596
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: the if the government wasn't like sticking its business, sticking

597
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 1: its nose in business and like trying giving these people

598
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: a leg up, um, then I wouldn't be having this problem,

599
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: um because I'm clearly very qualifyed. Like, yeah, I think

600
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: that's kind of what's going on here. And she so

601
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: she starts taking angry, like really angry kind of at

602
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: the government's you know, um, at its meddling in the economy. Um.

603
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: And she winds up finding a group of conservatives who

604
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: seem to be angry about some of the same things,

605
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 1: and she gets a job with this think tank they've

606
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: organized called the American Enterprise Association, which later becomes the

607
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,239
Speaker 1: American Enterprise Institute. This is still around a day, so

608
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: you may not have heard about the a EI or

609
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: the American Enterprise Institute today. They're just one of a

610
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: bunch of conservative think tanks in d C arguing that

611
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: schools should be open and like a bunch of their

612
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: more recent arguments and be like, we need to reopen

613
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: schools and also Taiwan needs US fighter jets and like

614
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: a bunch of like standard kind of conservative stuff. But

615
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: the a EI but that's the Taiwan that I'm Taiwan

616
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: is a conservative. Yeah, yeah, because they were they started out,

617
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: but they didn't used to be. I mean, well, I

618
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: don't want to get too into it, but the US

619
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: like literally are the communists in China and we're pro

620
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: splitting China in half, which helps lose, and now they're

621
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: all anti China. But it's like, you guys made this happen. Yeah,

622
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: I mean that's that's the US foreign policy in a nutshell.

623
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Speaker 1: As we aim we arm everybody involved, and then it

624
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: comes back to bite us in the ass and we're like,

625
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: how could this have happened? That's that's like seventy years

626
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: of US foreign policy summed up right there. Um. So

627
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: the AI was was like okay, so the the AI

628
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: to day is kind of like a pretty normal right

629
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: wing think tank. Um. In nineteen forty three, though, they

630
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: were kind of the very first, like the very first

631
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: sign of what would become the organized conservative movement in

632
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 1: the United States. Um. Yeah. Prior to World War Two,

633
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: there really wasn't a conservative like movement in the United States.

634
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 1: There were a bunch of different right wing groups and

635
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: had been like a lot of different right wing like

636
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: political organizations. Um, but you had sort of these this

637
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: smattering like a mix of anti New Deal groups, so

638
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: like right wing groups that thought the New Deal was

639
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: creeping communism. Um. You had these like nativist organizations, um,

640
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: you know, like supporters of Father Coughlin, that right wing

641
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: radio preacher, or like supporters of Charles Lindberg, people who

642
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: hadn't wanted to get involved in World War Two. So

643
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: you kind of had like this this disorganized chunk of different, um,

644
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: different and very separate kind of right wing uh political organizations.

645
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: You had anti communists, corporatists, you know, uh, anti Semites,

646
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: anti Catholics, and all of these people, um like they

647
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: they had they never really come together in an organized

648
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: conservative movement before. And that's kind of why the Democrats

649
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: like are consistently winning presidential elections and dominating politically during

650
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 1: this time because there's really no organized right wing movements

651
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: and there is an organized left wing movement um, or

652
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: at least kind of liberal movement. So what became the

653
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: organized conservative movement what we know today is like the

654
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: right wing got it start by opposing FDRs run for

655
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: a third term. This is the kind of the first

656
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: thing that united anti New Deal Republicans with like conservative

657
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: Democrats in the South who were on the edge of

658
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: flipping parties because of racism. Um. It brought in a

659
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: lot of anti interventionalists, like people who had been with

660
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: groups like America First and the Mother's Anti War Movement. Um.

661
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, this was um like, all these groups start

662
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 1: to come together and there there's some pretty nasty people

663
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 1: in them. Like the Mother's Anti War Movement sounds like

664
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: something that you'd see. It's like it sounds like it

665
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: would be a left wing group today. But the anti

666
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 1: the war they were against in the nineteen thirties, Like

667
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: they didn't want to go to war with the Nazis,

668
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 1: which meant that there was a lot of anti Semitic propaganda.

669
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: Kind of they are pro Nazis almost yeah, broadly pro

670
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 1: Nazi and that like that's true of like the whole

671
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: genesis of the conservative movement. All of these people, Um,

672
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: they won't all say it, and after World War Two,

673
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 1: everybody gets very careful about their Jewish conspiracies. It's like

674
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 1: Mother's against drunk driving, but instead of being against drunk drivers,

675
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 1: they're just like no more cars, like we don't like cars,

676
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: and you're like, what, that's not the point. Yeah. Yeah.

677
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: And the these different groups are all kind of the

678
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: different conservative groups that kind of like come together to

679
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: form like the nascent right wing in the post war

680
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 1: or period. They are all kind of sprinkled with anti

681
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 1: semitism um and and the way that they have to

682
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: kind of change it. Like prior to the war, you

683
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 1: can say Jewish people are trying to like Jewish influence

684
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 1: and Jewish money is trying to keep us I was

685
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: trying to pull us into war um. And after the

686
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: war you have this like it kind of changes to

687
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: people saying that like, well there's all these secret Marxists

688
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,879
Speaker 1: in the United States and they're trying to like make

689
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,760
Speaker 1: a Communist takeover, and they're still talking about Jewish people,

690
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: but they've gotten a lot more careful because of the Holocaust. Yeah.

691
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 1: And phyllis biographer insists that she at this point in

692
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 1: time when she gets involved in the American Enterprise Institute

693
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,240
Speaker 1: like knows nothing about like sort of the racist, anti

694
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: Semitic chunk of the of the right wing. And that's

695
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 1: a lie. But we'll we'll talk about that a little later.

696
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: Just like she knows nothing about discrimination. Maybe she's just

697
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 1: bad at observing things around her. Yeah, So in the

698
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: wake of in the wake of World War two, she

699
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: she she's working with this American Enterprise Association, And in

700
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: the wake of World War two they focused really on

701
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,800
Speaker 1: economics in part because, um, like there were a couple

702
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: like the battle again for international against internationalism had been lost,

703
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: Like the right wing prior to the war had really

704
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 1: wanted the US to like stay on its own and

705
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: not get involved in global politics. The fucking that ship

706
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 1: that cats out of the bag by the end of

707
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: World War two. Um And it had also been super

708
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: anti semitic, but you couldn't be that anymore, at least

709
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: for a while, So it focused instead on like economic

710
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: conservatism and like corporatism. Um. And that's kind of the

711
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: thing that it starts to to build from. Um and uh, yeah,

712
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: the American Enterprise institutes um like statement of purpose. The

713
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: thing that it is sort of like rallied around. Like

714
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 1: the single statement that it's rallied around. At the time

715
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: when Phyllis gets involved is was quote the tide of

716
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 1: radicalism maybe receiving momentarily, but this certainly does not mean

717
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: that America has returned to sound fiscal policies, put an

718
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:03,320
Speaker 1: end to deficit financing, economic experimentation, and stopped making utopian

719
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: plans for the future. Um, which I find is interesting.

720
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: They're like it at the end of world, Like the

721
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: FDR is out of the picture, and people aren't you know,

722
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 1: pushing for as many socialist policies anymore. But like that

723
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that they won't try to look into a

724
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 1: utopian future, you know, at some point in the like

725
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 1: that's our goal, that's what we're stopping. She's like, UM,

726
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,399
Speaker 1: don't worry. What if I was in charge, I would

727
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: not be trying to make things better. I would definitely

728
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 1: try to make things worse as they were before people

729
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:37,320
Speaker 1: try to make things better. So just trust me on that. Yeah,

730
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: well that's kind of what that's kind of the core

731
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: of this conservative movement that that that starts to come

732
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: about is like it is impossible for things to be

733
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 1: better if you were trying to make things better you

734
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 1: are a communist. The best that we can do, like literally,

735
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: anti communism is kind of the the entire center of

736
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: this new right wing that forms because it's that that

737
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: you can be anti communist in this period, Um you

738
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,879
Speaker 1: couldn't you know, And and that's like there there, their

739
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 1: existence is entirely in opposition to something right, Like there's nothing. Yeah,

740
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 1: it's always anti Yeah, it's just an attempt to destroy things.

741
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,800
Speaker 1: Like I'm a you know, very liberal and left and

742
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,359
Speaker 1: radical in that way, but like I've always just grown

743
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 1: up in like conservatism, but hearing this, I'm like, that's

744
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: not even really act. There are some people who are

745
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,919
Speaker 1: like truly American conservatives who kind of believe more like well,

746
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 1: it's it's all meddled up now, but there there. Let's

747
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: say there are a few people who are more like

748
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 1: the idea of like less government intervention, more like old

749
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 1: traditional values without the racism, without that, like plus human rights,

750
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 1: you know, like yeah, let's do progress for humans, but

751
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: like less the government economic meddling. That to me, I

752
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: feel like gets so lost now because it's been co

753
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: opted and I'm like, as a liberal, I have been

754
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 1: brainwashed to hate all conservatives when I'm like, you know what,

755
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: there are versions of conservatism that would make sense if

756
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: you added human rights and reason to it. Well, it's

757
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 1: like there's version is of like I don't know, there's

758
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 1: there's aspects of like how people frame their conservatism. Like

759
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 1: when people say I just think the government should leave

760
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 1: people alone, that's there's that's not a bad thing to want.

761
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,839
Speaker 1: The problem is that generally what they're saying is that

762
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm kind of in at a top

763
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 1: position or a good enough position in this society that

764
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: if the government stays out, um, nothing will happen to me.

765
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,280
Speaker 1: And I don't really care about the people who actually

766
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: need help right now. But this is when that this

767
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: is when. So that's always been an aspect of American politics,

768
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: right There's always been people who have been like, fuck

769
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 1: you got mine, um, But what kind of never existed

770
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: was a a movement that could stitch kind of that

771
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: attitude together with um, social conservatism, which with this idea

772
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: that like things should go back to the way they

773
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 1: were and we should have these more traditional values like

774
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:57,399
Speaker 1: this is what's that's what starts happening right now. UM.

775
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 1: So yeah, the American Enterprise Association. Phillis works for them

776
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 1: for about a year UM and by the time she

777
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 1: finishes her affiliation with them, she's like a hardcore right

778
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: wing uh fundamentalist. Um. When she'd started working for them,

779
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,919
Speaker 1: she'd actually been a member of the United Nations Association

780
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: and supported the new organization. Um. All of that ends

781
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: for her during her time with the A e A.

782
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,359
Speaker 1: By the end of it, she is a dedicated right

783
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:27,479
Speaker 1: wing partisan. Um. As her biographer notes, quote, her religious faith,

784
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: now combined with a well formed conservative ideology, created a

785
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: formidable political outlook. Equally important, she learned from her work

786
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:37,240
Speaker 1: experience at a e A how to articulate complex issues

787
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: and arguments into a simplified form easily understood by an

788
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: average reader. Much of her early political writings and speeches

789
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: were derivative, based on an extensive reading of conservative books

790
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: and periodicals, government reports, and liberal newspapers. Her originality lay

791
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:55,280
Speaker 1: in the way she framed issues. UM. So like someone

792
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 1: uh I can think of in the White House. Yeah,

793
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,800
Speaker 1: he speaks just simplifying it, but getting to the emotion

794
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: of the thing. Yeah, that's that's going to prove to

795
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 1: be her her strong suit. Um is like kind of

796
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 1: cutting everything away, but yeah, we're building it. So she

797
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 1: moves back home after her time with the A e

798
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: A UM to St. Louis, and she reaches out to

799
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 1: a congressional candidate named Claude Bakewell, who was running in

800
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: the eleventh district. So at age twenty two, she she

801
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 1: reaches out to this guy and offers to be his

802
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 1: campaign manager. Um and she's so impressive, like the the

803
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 1: way that she's able to kind of like call up

804
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 1: facts and statistics of local politics. Um uh, just like

805
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:42,240
Speaker 1: shocks this guy into hiring her immediately, even though again

806
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 1: really uncommon for women to be campaign managers and congressional

807
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,359
Speaker 1: campaigns in this period. As Bakewell later recalled, I had

808
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: to keep looking at her to remind myself I was

809
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: not talking to a fat, old cigar chomping ward healer.

810
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 1: So like she she's she's this young twenty two year

811
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 1: old woman girl who talks to him like an old politico.

812
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 1: Um and she she had never done any nitty gritty politics.

813
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,439
Speaker 1: She all of this, all of her knowledge came from

814
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 1: just reading the newspaper very closely. But she clearly pays attention,

815
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: like pays attention well enough that she's able to kind

816
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 1: of mimic the way these old Republican like political you know,

817
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: ship fighters talk, and she's able to kind of convince

818
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 1: this guy that she has what it takes to be

819
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 1: one of them. And it seems like she does Um,

820
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: she does well at the job, and Bakewell gets elected

821
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: to Congress in nineteen forty six. Now he gets kicked

822
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: out of Congress in nineteen Um when when he loses

823
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,760
Speaker 1: his next election. But Phillis, you know, runs a campaign

824
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 1: and gets a guy into office. And so by nineteen

825
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 1: forty nine she had a real career going as a

826
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: political operator. She was unmarried, you know, and twenty four

827
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 1: years old at that point. Um. And at at about

828
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: twenty four, Um, yeah, she meets this guy named Fred

829
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: schlaf Ley. So she's like this unmarried political like independent, um,

830
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: making money on her own, running a major political campaign

831
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 1: on her own. Uh. And she meets French Laughly in

832
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 1: ninety nine and Schlaughly is a conservative activist in it

833
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: about Catholic Um, which is kind of Phyllis is two

834
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 1: big qualifications that whoever she marries needs to have money

835
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: and needs to be connected. Um. He came from wealth. Uh.

836
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: They moved right into a mansion as soon as they

837
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: got married. Um. And he had a high powered job

838
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 1: representing a bunch of major businesses, including several banks. And

839
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: he heard about Phillis through the Republican Grapevine and St.

840
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: Louis because she was really the only woman doing what

841
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: she was doing at that period of time, and he

842
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: was like, that sounds hot to me. Um, I want

843
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: a woman who sounds like a cikar chopping old politico.

844
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 1: So he reaches out to blurt with her. Donald Critchlow,

845
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: her biographer, writes about what happened next quote. What followed

846
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,479
Speaker 1: was a rather unusual courtship in which they usually saw

847
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 1: each other once a week on the weekends, while the

848
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 1: rest of the time they exchanged poetry and letters. These

849
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,760
Speaker 1: letters were intellectual exchanges about political and theological questions, written

850
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,760
Speaker 1: as much to display the author's intelligence as to vain knowledge.

851
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 1: Fred and Phillish Laughly married on October twentieth, nineteen nine,

852
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 1: and a ceremony at the St. Louis Cathedral. Duly reported

853
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,879
Speaker 1: on the Society of pages of local newspapers. On their

854
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 1: honeymoon in Mexico, they took an extra suitcase full of books.

855
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: So why not I would do that. Yeah, they're big nerds.

856
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 1: Fuck on or just I think it. They probably fucked

857
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 1: on the books. They were probably sucking on like a

858
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: bunch of like different I don't know, fucking uh right

859
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 1: wing economics, textbooks, and ship. Um, because that that is

860
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: kind of what gets them both horny, is right wing politics.

861
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: So they find each other's perfect match and they stay

862
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: married the rest of their lives. So that's great for them. Um.

863
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 1: They they they had a loving relationship while they fucked

864
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 1: to the world. Uh. Oh no, well I wouldn't. I

865
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: do think we should bring back poetry and courtship. I

866
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: might be alone on this, but look, oh no, send

867
00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 1: a DIPI send up, send up, send a poem, send

868
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 1: a poem, or in lieu of a dick, pick a

869
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: suitcase full of books. Um, that can be the new

870
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 1: and you can. You can have a note. My dick

871
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:17,240
Speaker 1: is like the suitcase full of books. Uh, filled with knowledge.

872
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: I don't know. So from this point forward, Phillis Stewart

873
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: began to live under the name she'd have for the

874
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,959
Speaker 1: rest of her life Philish laughly Um. Now Philis shot

875
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: through the turgid waters of mainstream Republican politics like a speedboat.

876
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: After this point. Her obsession was anti communism. And when

877
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: I say anti communism, I don't mean like she just

878
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: hated actual communists. I mean like she was deranged. She

879
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 1: was convinced that Harry Truman was a diet in the

880
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: wool communist, Like that's the that's the level of right

881
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: wing she is, like the guy she thinks, the guy

882
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:51,720
Speaker 1: who dropped Adam bombs on Japan to scare the Soviet

883
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 1: Union was secretly a communist infiltrader Um. So the people

884
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 1: with a lot of money living in the mansion that

885
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 1: are anti commune is like it was like they're just

886
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 1: scared you'll take their money. Yeah, And she she becomes

887
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 1: I don't know, like she she kind of goes from

888
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:14,320
Speaker 1: somebody who it seemed like she was a pretty reasonable

889
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 1: person at like age to Harry Truman is a secret

890
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:20,800
Speaker 1: comy in the space of like two or three years,

891
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 1: which is I guess it's just because she kind of

892
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:27,479
Speaker 1: she finds herself in this far right political world where

893
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 1: all of these people are like passing around these these

894
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: pamphlets on politics and stuff, and it just takes her over. Um.

895
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: Marriage will drive you crazy, I guess. I don't know.

896
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think it happened before the marriage.

897
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: I think the marriage happened because like she had she

898
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 1: had really like and her parents were clearly like very

899
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 1: anti New Deal and stuff. But like she's it's not

900
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: clear to me exactly why she gets to this this

901
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 1: kind of unregional, unreasonable fringe of the movement. But by

902
00:46:55,480 --> 00:47:00,280
Speaker 1: ninety nine she's she's there. Um, she's she's attacking Harry

903
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:04,800
Speaker 1: Truman for being a comedy. That's so that's like that change.

904
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 1: It's extreme. Yeah, I'm sure it didn't seem that extreme

905
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 1: to her, Like she was World War two horror. Yeah,

906
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 1: like yeah, I I can't tell you exactly why it happens,

907
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 1: but she's she's not alone in this. There's this growing

908
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:22,959
Speaker 1: right wing movement and again this is the period where

909
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:26,800
Speaker 1: there's still no concerted conservative movement in the United States.

910
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: It's starting to form at this time. And one of

911
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 1: sort of like the big nexus is that conservatism forms

912
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: around is what's known but to historians is grassroots anti communism. Um,

913
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: and this is this is not like just opposing the

914
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 1: Soviet Union. This is uh, like grassroots anti communists are

915
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: kind of associated with like they would pass around all

916
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: these books that would detail like how communists had come

917
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: to power in other countries and like sort of starting

918
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,919
Speaker 1: to We're starting to make these different conspiracy theories about

919
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,399
Speaker 1: what commies were trying to do in the United States

920
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 1: like it was this it was this specific fear that

921
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 1: communism was was like actively attempting to take over their lives, um.

922
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 1: And there was a lot of things that were wrapped

923
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: up in this. First off, there was a populist appeal

924
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 1: against the elites um, who even the the elites and

925
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: the Republican Party were seen as being like members of

926
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 1: this this communist conspiracy um. And there was this there

927
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: was this growing belief that communists centered in the Kremlin

928
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: had infiltrated agents into the highest levels of American government um.

929
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 1: And so a lot of the stuff that you you

930
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,359
Speaker 1: see today and like quent On right where like there's

931
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,800
Speaker 1: this supposed to be the secret battle in the United

932
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 1: States governments and all of these bad actors who were

933
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:43,800
Speaker 1: like Marxists and Satanists and stuff who have gained power

934
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: in the shadow government or whatever. That this is where

935
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: that all really starts. Like that, Yeah, and so Phyllis

936
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 1: is on the ground floor of this kind of thing.

937
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 1: It's it's kind of bizarre because I feel like it

938
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 1: is through that all countries have like agents everywhere, but

939
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: when they're tied together like this, it doesn't make sense,

940
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 1: Like it's it's I wouldn't be so bold to say

941
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 1: like no, um, suspicions are ever true and there's no

942
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,240
Speaker 1: shadow dealings, because of course there are. But this idea

943
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: that there's like a concentrated nucleus, a very coordinated like

944
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 1: shadow dealings just to go against you and your family specifically,

945
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 1: is like just that nobody spends the time and money

946
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: to do that. But yes, there are hints of shadow dealings,

947
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 1: and I think that's enough to get these Q and

948
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 1: ON people going and excited, even though the reality is

949
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,839
Speaker 1: it's just like not that big. It's not what they think. Yeah,

950
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,839
Speaker 1: there's definitely like communist spies, just like there were, you know,

951
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 1: just capitalists or whatever we like, and some of those spies,

952
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: like you've got like the Rosenberg's who give the Soviet

953
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 1: Union information on the atomic bombs, like that kind of

954
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 1: ship is going on. Um. But Phyllis and her fellow

955
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: grassroots anti communists are convinced that like the whole government

956
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 1: has been infiltrated um by by the commies and that

957
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 1: like they're they're working in concert to to carry out

958
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: a takeover of American society. Um, do you know it

959
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: won't take over the American society. Do you know it

960
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: is a secret communist infiltrator trying to replace our capitalist

961
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: system with them with I don't what is the products

962
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 1: love communist? I ship's break. Yeah, alright, we're we're we're back.

963
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 1: Um talking about Philish Laughly and her fringe beliefs about communism.

964
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: So running on this grassroots anti so like Phillis adopts

965
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 1: grassroots anti communism, it gets like really into this subculture

966
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 1: that's forming UM and she runs for Congress UM and

967
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 1: she actually wins like a really shocking upset victory and

968
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 1: the Republican primary UM and this so she defeats like

969
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 1: Republican candidate UM to go run against the Democrat. And

970
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 1: this it might be the first time in modern political

971
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 1: history that like a normal conservative ran up against like

972
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: a fringe far right candidate UM that everybody just kind

973
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 1: of thought was a was a nutter and then suffered

974
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 1: a shocking loss. So like the kind of thing that

975
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 1: has happened a bunch in our lifetimes that happened with Trump,

976
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 1: it happens with Philish Laughley's campaign. And this is kind

977
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: of like the first time it happens to the Republican

978
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,919
Speaker 1: Party where You've got like the folks who are sort

979
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 1: of the the moneyed elites who have been running the

980
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,839
Speaker 1: party since forever, looking at this person that they never

981
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: would have supported beat their candidate and go like, what

982
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:39,240
Speaker 1: the heck is happening here? Um, So what you're saying

983
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 1: is it's very traditional what happened here? Just yes, pure tradition.

984
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:46,840
Speaker 1: This is the start of the tradition. Yeah. Now, the

985
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 1: good news is that at this point things were not

986
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,839
Speaker 1: so far gone in our society that Philish Laughly could

987
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:56,720
Speaker 1: actually win a general election. Um. So she gets beaten

988
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 1: in the actual election, but the fact that she had

989
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 1: won the I Mary earns her a place in the

990
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 1: Republican National Convention for the rest of her life. So

991
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 1: she's a voting member of the Republican Party for forever.

992
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 1: And this starts her her kind of being a part

993
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: of the Republican institution. She hadn't one, but she had

994
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 1: effectively grafted herself onto the mainstream of the party and

995
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:18,919
Speaker 1: over the next fifty years she and her ideas would

996
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:22,240
Speaker 1: grow like a cancer inside of it. So Philish Lapley

997
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 1: was one of the very first people. Yeah, or a

998
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 1: fetus inside of it, which you know, again, if only

999
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 1: there'd been, If only you could, there's an r U

1000
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 1: four D six joke. I just don't know how to

1001
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 1: make it, so we're just gonna moolve. Yeah. Philish Laughley

1002
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: was one of the first people who like starts writing literature,

1003
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 1: UM pamphlets and stuff to provide intellectual framework for what

1004
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 1: we today know is just like the right with the

1005
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: like the religious right in the United States, like the

1006
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 1: anti this this um like this is. She's one of

1007
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 1: the first people who starts like thinking in a concerted

1008
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 1: way about that and providing reading material for people. And again,

1009
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 1: initially it was really focused on anti communism. Her first

1010
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 1: big book was called A Reading List for Americans, and

1011
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 1: it was just a bibliographical guide to anti communist books

1012
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 1: that people could read UM and Phillis kind of promised

1013
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 1: that if you read the different anti communist books that

1014
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 1: she had put together in this you would come to

1015
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 1: understand quote American, the American failure to grasp that we

1016
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 1: are already engaged in a total war with the communists. UM.

1017
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 1: So that's that's the angle she's really pushing at this point. Now.

1018
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 1: That book was published in eighteen or nineteen fifty eight

1019
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: and in the early nineteen sixties, Phillist gets involved with

1020
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 1: a group called the American Security Council, which is another

1021
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 1: right wing think tank that had been initially started to

1022
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:52,840
Speaker 1: quote help corporations avoid communist influence in their companies and

1023
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 1: had over time expanded yeah, fighting unions basically, but it

1024
00:53:56,719 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 1: overtime expanded to a dedicated group of right wing military

1025
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:04,280
Speaker 1: industrial complex folks obsessing over communist dangers to the United States.

1026
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:08,320
Speaker 1: So Phillis gets involved with these like defense industry people

1027
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 1: who are obsessed with the idea that a communist attack

1028
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 1: is coming um. And one of these folks was a

1029
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 1: rear admiral named Chester ward and he and Phillis hit

1030
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 1: it off, and so the two of them became research

1031
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 1: partners and writing buddies. Now, the a s C had

1032
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: a bunch of different files on communism, and again this

1033
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 1: is like a library of you know, they call them

1034
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:29,359
Speaker 1: credible sources. Who knows what's actually in there, but it's

1035
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: supposed to be kind of outlining how all these different

1036
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 1: communist movements around the world in different countries had like

1037
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 1: organized and gained power, um. And so they spend years

1038
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 1: reading through this ship and Warden Schlafly get become convinced

1039
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:47,280
Speaker 1: of two central principles uh. Number one, that the Soviet

1040
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 1: military threat is real and an escapable, so the United

1041
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 1: States must have superior military strength to avoid war. And

1042
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 1: number two that the Soviet Union seeks to bleed the

1043
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 1: resources and morale of the United States through satellite wars

1044
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,839
Speaker 1: of attrition while Russia tests its weapons and bides its

1045
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 1: time to confront a weakened United States. Um, So, Phillis

1046
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 1: begins calling on the US to have a first strike capability.

1047
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 1: She's one of like the people who's who, She's one

1048
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 1: of the conservatives who's who. Starts in like the nineteen fifties,

1049
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 1: being like, we need to be able to into the

1050
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 1: world with nuclear weaponry before the Russians can in order

1051
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: to to stop there from being a war. Um. Yeah,

1052
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 1: So she calls for the United States to maintain superiority

1053
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 1: of military striking power and for a few years, like

1054
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 1: she and Ward are just like writing these books about

1055
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 1: how the only thing the US can possibly do at

1056
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 1: this moment is to continue is to build up this massive,

1057
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 1: omnicidal UH nuclear arsenal Right, Like that's her first big

1058
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 1: political issue is that the United States needs to build

1059
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:52,439
Speaker 1: like a wall of nuclear missiles to protect it from communism. Wait,

1060
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:53,800
Speaker 1: so let me. I know you haven't gotten to the

1061
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 1: abortion part, but I'm already hearing contradictions in her police system.

1062
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 1: Like you, she believes in order to feel safe, she

1063
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 1: needs a button she can press at any point to

1064
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 1: literally abort the entire world. But yeah, she feels safer

1065
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 1: if no woman, no matter what her case is, is

1066
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:12,839
Speaker 1: allowed to abort a baby, even if she's at risk

1067
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,360
Speaker 1: Like that already, I'm like, it sounds like she's maybe

1068
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:18,879
Speaker 1: dealing with more trauma than beliefs she Her argument would

1069
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 1: be that the communists are so evil that the only

1070
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 1: thing that can keep them from taking over this country

1071
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 1: and killing millions of people is to be able to

1072
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 1: kill basically the entire world with an enormous nuclear arsenal.

1073
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:32,279
Speaker 1: That's the only way. What if the babies are a

1074
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 1: communists though, is there a clause for that or um?

1075
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 1: I think she? Then she supports throwing them in prison

1076
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 1: or having them executed, or we have the birth and

1077
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:43,360
Speaker 1: then throw both mother and child in prison after the

1078
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 1: baby is born safely. Yeah, after the baby is born safely,

1079
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:49,280
Speaker 1: then they can die in prison. Okay, gotcha. Her initial

1080
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 1: big political charge is that, like there should be this

1081
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 1: eternally spiraling cycle of armaments where the United States just

1082
00:56:56,680 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 1: throws more and more money into building an impossible nuclear stockpile.

1083
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 1: Did she have money in this because you said she

1084
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 1: was hanging out with she's rich. Yeah, so it's like

1085
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 1: the more that they go make arms, the more money

1086
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:15,760
Speaker 1: her and her friends would make. Right, Like, she definitely

1087
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 1: has friends in like the defense industry. Sure, I'm not sure,

1088
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 1: like they're already rich. I don't know how much personal

1089
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 1: financial interest plays into this for her, um, but she

1090
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 1: and her husband do use some of their family money

1091
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 1: to establish the Cardinal uh Min Sinsei Foundation, who was

1092
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 1: like a Catholic anti communist guy. Uh And Yeah, this

1093
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 1: foundation acts as a mouthpiece for anti communist pro nuclear propaganda,

1094
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 1: anti communist pro nuclear propaganda. Yeah, I just didn't you

1095
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 1: just say that one more time? Yeah, So, among other things,

1096
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 1: she uses this foundation to put out propaganda trying to

1097
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 1: convince Americans that nuclear weapons were quote a marvelous gift

1098
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 1: give to our country by a wise God, which kind

1099
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 1: of makes you wonder well, the Soviets have them too?

1100
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 1: What were they to the Soviets? Like, did God give

1101
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: them to the communists or was that the devil? Like?

1102
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 1: How does how does this work? In your cousin moos?

1103
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 1: She described communists because I mean I'm already getting I mean,

1104
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 1: I know, like the anti communist movement. It's kind of coded,

1105
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 1: but like is it does it ever really describe? Like

1106
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 1: what does she mean by that personally? Because it's obviously

1107
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 1: not just what you know, it's not just the idea

1108
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 1: that people should have access to resources. It seems like

1109
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 1: it's specifically anti is it anti Soviet or just anti

1110
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 1: fascism or she's just anything her like anything that any

1111
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 1: anything that is the government trying to enable people to

1112
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 1: help each other. Um is communism? Like if it involves

1113
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 1: the government and it helps people, it's communism and she

1114
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 1: wants no part in it. But nuclear weapons a okay, yeah,

1115
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 1: the only thing the government should be doing in Philish

1116
00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:01,959
Speaker 1: Laughley's mind is building new Yeah welfare terrible idea, gonna

1117
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 1: kill us all nukes a gift from God, that's Philish

1118
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 1: lovely everyone there's less people who need welfare. So yeah,

1119
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 1: anti communist, pro nuclear propa like what Yeah, she's fucking unhinged?

1120
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 1: Um and she an Admiral Ward wrote in a series.

1121
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 1: But but also so is the whole The birth of

1122
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 1: the conservative movement is in this like wild overreaction to

1123
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:31,959
Speaker 1: communism that leads us into a bunch of horrific things. Um. Now,

1124
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 1: she an Admiral Ward wrote this series of very bad

1125
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 1: books about the Soviet first strike that all Americans ought

1126
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 1: to fear every day. That's always her like focus in

1127
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 1: these books is to convince Americans the Soviets are going

1128
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 1: to get the drop on us, that they have better technology,

1129
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 1: and so we have to keep building better and better

1130
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 1: missiles otherwise we won't be able to kill them first.

1131
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:53,840
Speaker 1: Uh So. Titles of the book she and Ward wrote

1132
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:58,919
Speaker 1: include Strike from Space, a mega death Mystery, um, which

1133
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 1: is a hell of a title that sounds like a

1134
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 1: cool sci fi movie. Yeah. Then there was Kissinger on

1135
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:06,920
Speaker 1: the Couch, which was a very anti Semitic psycho analysis

1136
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 1: of Henry Kissinger, who she hated for his interventionalist leanings.

1137
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 1: I was gonna say that that's a terrible description that

1138
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 1: you said, But I was like, that could be a

1139
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:18,439
Speaker 1: fun porn I mean, but yeah, I mean it could

1140
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 1: be like I'd watch a Henry Kissinger porn. He's hot. Yeah,

1141
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 1: nobody disagrees with that. Um. Yeah. So in one of

1142
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:31,480
Speaker 1: the areas in which she is right in this period

1143
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:34,919
Speaker 1: is she's very like anti well. I mean, I think

1144
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:37,400
Speaker 1: her feelings on Vietnam or Korea and Korea were more

1145
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 1: like we should just nuke them. Um. But she certainly

1146
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 1: thought that the policy lb J was like following in

1147
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 1: Vietnam was a bad idea and she wasn't wrong about that.

1148
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 1: Like obviously JFK and lb J made a whole like

1149
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 1: everything they did in Vietnam was a horrific mistake. Is

1150
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 1: there anybody on any side that Kissinger like really? Like,

1151
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 1: I don't know. I watched Good Morning Vietnam. It seemed

1152
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 1: like things were going pretty well there for a while. Um.

1153
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 1: And had they had Robin Williams, So like really, what's

1154
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 1: the complain about? So? Yeah, anyway, show she other Shlaffley

1155
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:17,480
Speaker 1: Ward books book titles included uh Ambush, A Flativo Stock,

1156
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 1: and The Betrayers. So they've got all these like this

1157
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 1: is like fucking Robert Ludlam novels. Um, But they're all

1158
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 1: basically making the point about like the Soviet Union is

1159
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 1: better armed than us, and if we don't spend all

1160
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 1: of our money on better nukes like We're fucked um,

1161
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:35,920
Speaker 1: and I found The Betrayers. I found a copy of

1162
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 1: it on Amazon, and so I went ahead and I

1163
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 1: just like read through some reader reviews because I wanted

1164
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 1: to get an idea of, like how the people who

1165
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 1: read this book have interpreted it. So in the interest

1166
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 1: of journalistic balance, I pulled one positive review and one

1167
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 1: negative review, and I'm gonna read you before star review

1168
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 1: right now. Whatever impression this book made at the time

1169
01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty eight is it is an astonishing read today.

1170
01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:01,040
Speaker 1: Written by Eagle Forum President and under Philish Laughly and

1171
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 1: Admiral Chester Ward. The thesis of this book is that

1172
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 1: key members of the Johnson administration, in particular Defense Secretary

1173
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 1: Robert McNamara, had actively sought to weaken and impair the

1174
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 1: defenses of the United States, motivated a belief by a

1175
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:16,360
Speaker 1: belief that the cause of freedom was doomed, that the

1176
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 1: Soviet Union would surely win the Cold War, and that

1177
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 1: preparing for the eventual, inevitable surrender was the best means

1178
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 1: for survival. So she's arguing that Robert McNamara is a

1179
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 1: secret like the one of the architects of the Vietnam

1180
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 1: war is a secret Communist agent trying to weaken the

1181
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:36,000
Speaker 1: United States. Um, which I guess is one way of

1182
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 1: trying to like settle in your head how the United

1183
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 1: States could do something as dumb as the Vietnam War

1184
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 1: is like, Oh, it must have just been we must

1185
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 1: have been trying to funk ourselves over because it was

1186
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 1: such a bad idea. I do think that's kind of funny. Um.

1187
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 1: The review continues, regardless of the validity of that position. Uh,

1188
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 1: the information used to make the case bears examinations. Laughly

1189
01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 1: and Ward walk the reader through a panorama of Johnson

1190
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 1: administration defense and for and policy positions, compellingly outlining a

1191
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:05,920
Speaker 1: defensive disaster. The astute reader will recall without reminder that

1192
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:09,920
Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty the United States possessed overwhelming military superiority

1193
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 1: over its communist opponents, and that by nineteen sixty eight,

1194
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 1: just eight years or two presidential terms later, that had

1195
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:18,640
Speaker 1: turned into mere parody and in some cases inferiority. If

1196
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 1: nothing else, this caused extreme, needless problems for American diplomacy

1197
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 1: over the following two decades, and of course it had

1198
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:27,600
Speaker 1: the potential to cause far, far worse. So basically, what's

1199
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 1: going on here is the United States makes a bunch

1200
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 1: of very dumb decisions that are in many cases motivated

1201
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 1: by extreme paranoia over communism. Um. And this leads extremely

1202
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:43,680
Speaker 1: paranoid people like Philish Laughley to assume the these couldn't

1203
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 1: just be that these people made horrible mistakes because they

1204
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 1: were bad at their jobs. They have to have been

1205
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:52,680
Speaker 1: part of a communist conspiracy. Yeah, it's almost like, I mean,

1206
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:54,440
Speaker 1: I always think about it all comes raiser. I know

1207
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:56,400
Speaker 1: it doesn't always apply, but it's sort of like when

1208
01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:59,640
Speaker 1: the easiest like explanation often is the true one. Like

1209
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 1: what you're saying is like they just made some bad

1210
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 1: decisions that had bad consequences. But even in the wording

1211
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 1: of this review he says a mirror eight years, Like

1212
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 1: there's like kind of leading wording, like a mirror eight years, Um,

1213
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:14,880
Speaker 1: well eight years isn't objectively a mirror like eight years.

1214
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:16,840
Speaker 1: A lot can happen, especially if you've got a lot

1215
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 1: of money and people and armies involved, like in a

1216
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 1: person's life eight like eight years ago. I'm like, I

1217
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:24,840
Speaker 1: was like twenty two years old, you know what I mean,

1218
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:27,480
Speaker 1: Like I think I was straight when you know, so

1219
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:30,160
Speaker 1: it's like a lot changes in eight years. So I

1220
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:32,480
Speaker 1: feel like the fact that he's already leading in the

1221
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:34,920
Speaker 1: review makes me feel like the book has a lot

1222
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 1: of language like that too. Yeah, it's it's it's frustrating,

1223
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 1: and it's like so okay, here's the bad review. On

1224
01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:44,280
Speaker 1: the other side of things, here's this like yeah, one

1225
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:49,240
Speaker 1: star review. Uh and yeah quote Philish laughlely associated with

1226
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:51,880
Speaker 1: extreme ast xenophobic John Birch society. We'll talk about them

1227
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:54,760
Speaker 1: in a second, puts together a paranoid philo nuclear diet

1228
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:58,120
Speaker 1: tribe here that completely ignored the situation. In the nineteen sixties,

1229
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 1: the idea that a ballistic missile defense is somehow still

1230
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:03,040
Speaker 1: useful as sold like as snake oil by right wing

1231
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 1: crackpots and defense contractors. But back then, as now, it

1232
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:09,680
Speaker 1: simply doesn't fly. The recent remarkable advances and missile defense

1233
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 1: were only made by incorporating GPS transmitters into targets. Engineers

1234
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 1: speaking honestly without a financial stake in the outcome have

1235
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:18,160
Speaker 1: known this and spoken about this for decades. It's a

1236
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 1: big welfare program, plain and simple. The idea of a

1237
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:23,840
Speaker 1: winnable nuclear war is hideously immoral, and the strange loves

1238
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:26,200
Speaker 1: and their consorts such as Slaughly, should be consigned to

1239
01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 1: the ash heap of history pronto, which I find really interesting.

1240
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:31,960
Speaker 1: So this guy is basically being like the you know,

1241
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 1: the thing that this she's she's this right wing firebrand,

1242
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:37,040
Speaker 1: but the thing that she always is arguing for this

1243
01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 1: like massive nuke focus defense policy is just welfare for

1244
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:44,280
Speaker 1: a specific group of grifters because like none of it's

1245
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:46,720
Speaker 1: ever worked, right. That is kind of the deep, the

1246
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:50,040
Speaker 1: the ugly secret of like all missile defense um is

1247
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:54,520
Speaker 1: that like none of it would would do anything. Yeah, yeah,

1248
01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:58,720
Speaker 1: you keep stockpiling and then like it's I mean, it's

1249
01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:01,160
Speaker 1: almost genius if it didn't call so many lives. But

1250
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:04,320
Speaker 1: it's like instead of trying to fix problems that you can,

1251
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:07,520
Speaker 1: because you may fail, like right, like solving poverty and

1252
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 1: all this, Like I think we can make a lot

1253
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:11,080
Speaker 1: of progress, but we haven't done it yet, so we

1254
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:13,640
Speaker 1: don't know for sure. But you if you solve a

1255
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:16,200
Speaker 1: problem that doesn't exist, which is like to just keep

1256
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:19,760
Speaker 1: staking fear, you can never fail because the problem does

1257
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:22,440
Speaker 1: won't go away, like it's continuous. So it's almost like

1258
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:24,560
Speaker 1: I feel like they're projecting a lot of their own

1259
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:28,120
Speaker 1: insecurities onto the government there. You know, what they're trying

1260
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:31,280
Speaker 1: to do is take money that ought to go to

1261
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:34,040
Speaker 1: helping to build up our society and to help people.

1262
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:37,080
Speaker 1: Uh And because they hate that idea, but they don't

1263
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:39,160
Speaker 1: want they don't want to give up the money. They

1264
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:41,040
Speaker 1: just want to throw it into something that could kill

1265
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:45,840
Speaker 1: the entire world instead. That's Philish laugh least conservatism um.

1266
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:49,280
Speaker 1: So that last review mentioned the John Birch Society, and

1267
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:51,440
Speaker 1: I guess we probably ought to start talking about them

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Speaker 1: now because they're a really crucial piece of what's happening here,

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Speaker 1: this kind of coalescing um sociopathic right wing movement. And

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Speaker 1: the John Birch Society was founded in night again, very

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Speaker 1: crucial year there you're hearing about, like a bunch of

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Speaker 1: stuff happened in fifty eight. It's one of the most

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Speaker 1: important years for the right wing um. And it was

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Speaker 1: founded by one of the guys behind the Welch's Candy

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01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:15,680
Speaker 1: Company after he retired from the business of making sweet

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01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:19,640
Speaker 1: things and decided conspiracy theorist was a better gig. So Welch,

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Speaker 1: the founder of the John Birch Society, believed a lot

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Speaker 1: of very wrong things about communism. But his most famous claim,

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Speaker 1: and the one that like made him a controversial figure,

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Speaker 1: is that he was obsessed with the idea that Republican

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Speaker 1: President Dwight D. Eisenhower was a secret Communist. UM. And

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Speaker 1: I've mentioned this a couple of times on the show

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Speaker 1: because it's very silly, Like when you think about, like

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Speaker 1: the idea that Dwight fucking Eisenhower was a Communist infiltrator

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Speaker 1: is it's absurd, UM. But I think when I mentioned

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Speaker 1: it kind of in the past, people assumed I was

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Speaker 1: referring to like like Welch had just sort of like

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Speaker 1: dropped this in a couple of lines in his book

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Speaker 1: or maybe like put out a pamphlet. The reality is

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01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:00,840
Speaker 1: that he was so obsessed with this idea that he

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Speaker 1: wrote an entire two hundred and eighty seven page book

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Speaker 1: titled The Politician, laying out the case that Ike was

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01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:11,520
Speaker 1: a quote dedicated, conscious agent of the Communist conspiracy who

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Speaker 1: had been serving communism all of his adult life. The

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Speaker 1: United States, Welch believed, was in nineteen fifty eight under

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Speaker 1: the operational control of the Communist Party. UM. So that's

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Speaker 1: what these people believe, because like Ike is building highways right, like,

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Speaker 1: because he thinks that it's a good idea to spend

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Speaker 1: national money on a highway system. He's he's literally an

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Speaker 1: infiltrator from the Kremlin who has become the president in

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01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:38,360
Speaker 1: the United States is completely a Communist controlled country because

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01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:42,280
Speaker 1: we have highways and like the g I Bill Like,

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01:08:42,360 --> 01:08:46,080
Speaker 1: it's kind of wild because I do feel like if

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Speaker 1: you strip away the labels of um left wing and

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01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 1: right wing, I hear similar conspiracies from the left now

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01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:55,840
Speaker 1: of you know, the White House. And I'm not even

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01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:57,840
Speaker 1: just I'm not even getting get into any of that.

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01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:02,600
Speaker 1: I'm just pointing out how sometimes we like project a

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01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:04,160
Speaker 1: little bit. I don't know, I just think there's something

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Speaker 1: really interesting in the way that they they they are

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01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:10,320
Speaker 1: like trying to create this fear. And then meanwhile, you said,

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01:09:10,320 --> 01:09:12,960
Speaker 1: Phillis really knew how to study the politocols and then

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01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:16,480
Speaker 1: became one. She's kind of studying the communists and becoming obsessed.

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01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:18,679
Speaker 1: Like perhaps there was a moment when the right wing

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01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:21,760
Speaker 1: almost took on these tactics. Who knows that they absolutely did.

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Speaker 1: That's actually that's actually exactly what we're getting to here,

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Speaker 1: because the John Birch Society UM, we'll talk about them

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Speaker 1: a bit because that that that's you've predicted something here.

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Speaker 1: The John Birch Society was named after the guy after

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Speaker 1: what was claimed to be like the first American combat

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01:09:36,280 --> 01:09:39,880
Speaker 1: death against communists. That's who John Birch is, UM, and

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Speaker 1: it kind of in nineteen in the late nineteen fifties,

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Speaker 1: early sixties. It's occupies a cultural place that's kind of

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01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:50,080
Speaker 1: similar to the right. Mainstream Republicans considered them really toxic

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01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:54,320
Speaker 1: because their founder had slandered Eisenhower. UM. But a lot

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Speaker 1: of Republicans, like a shocking amount secretly agreed with a

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01:09:57,439 --> 01:09:59,400
Speaker 1: lot of core Bircher tenants. They just didn't want to

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Speaker 1: be like super identified with the John Birch Society UM

1329
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:08,120
Speaker 1: and the like because they were sort of because they

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01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:12,200
Speaker 1: were sort of politically toxic to be associated with. They

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01:10:12,200 --> 01:10:15,680
Speaker 1: had to be careful about how they organized and solicited

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01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:18,080
Speaker 1: funds and handed out propaganda because they didn't want to

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01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:21,719
Speaker 1: necessarily be identified doing that. In order to figure out

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01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:25,120
Speaker 1: like how to get around this, UM, they actually studied

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01:10:25,160 --> 01:10:29,120
Speaker 1: communist movements that had succeeded in foreign countries in order

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01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:31,960
Speaker 1: to like figure out how they should organize. The John

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01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:35,240
Speaker 1: Birch Society in order to like get their propaganda out

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01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:37,840
Speaker 1: um and so like a lot of communist parties in

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01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:40,479
Speaker 1: other countries, they had secret membership roles. They would have

1340
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:42,880
Speaker 1: these like secret cadras who would set up in different

1341
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:46,000
Speaker 1: cities and operate out of front organizations so they could

1342
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:48,880
Speaker 1: hide donations and people wouldn't be like tied to helping

1343
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:52,280
Speaker 1: out the John Birch Society. So they actually do look

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01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:57,000
Speaker 1: at how communist movements succeeded in other countries and deliberately

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01:10:57,080 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 1: go out of their way to imitate them. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: quote from a write up in The New Yorker that

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Speaker 1: kind of explains this process. In the nineteen sixties, Welch

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01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:07,920
Speaker 1: became obsessed that even the communist movement was but a

1349
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:11,719
Speaker 1: tool of the total conspiracy. This master conspiracy, he said,

1350
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:14,439
Speaker 1: had four runners in ancient Sparta, and sprang fully to

1351
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:18,200
Speaker 1: life in the eighteenth century in the uniformly satanic creed

1352
01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:21,680
Speaker 1: and program of the Bavarian illuminati, run by those who

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01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:25,719
Speaker 1: called the Insiders. The conspiracy resided chiefly in international families

1354
01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:29,120
Speaker 1: of financiers such as the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers. Government

1355
01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:32,320
Speaker 1: agencies like the Federal Reserve System and the Internal Revenue Service,

1356
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:35,559
Speaker 1: and non governmental organizations like the Builderberg Group, the Council

1357
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:38,559
Speaker 1: on Foreign Relations, and the Trilateral Commission. Since the early

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Speaker 1: twentieth century, they had done a good deal of the

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Speaker 1: their evil work under the guise of humanitarian uplift. One

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01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:46,920
Speaker 1: brought avenue down, which these conspiratorial forces advanced was known

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Speaker 1: as progressive legislation. Welsh declared in nineteen sixty six. The

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01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:54,320
Speaker 1: very same collectivist theories and dimago get pretenses which had

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01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:58,000
Speaker 1: destroyed earlier civilizations were now paraded forth into disguise of

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Speaker 1: new and modern concepts. This really interesting to me for

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Speaker 1: a lot of things. For one thing, you go through

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01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:05,360
Speaker 1: that a lot of that you could graft right onto

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01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:07,880
Speaker 1: Q and on right Q and On. Followers believe that

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Speaker 1: what they're fighting is this satanic conspiracy. They talk about

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01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:13,160
Speaker 1: how it goes like. One of the things that is

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01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:15,320
Speaker 1: a big part of Q and On is the idea

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01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:17,960
Speaker 1: that it goes back centuries. In a lot of cases,

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Speaker 1: there's this ancient Pedophilix satanic cabal that they're fighting against.

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Speaker 1: You know, they call it the cabal. He called it

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01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:26,040
Speaker 1: the insiders. But it's in a lot of ways the

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01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:30,280
Speaker 1: same conspiracy. Another thing that's really interesting to me here

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01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:36,000
Speaker 1: is that welch Is again doesn't identify as an anti

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01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:39,400
Speaker 1: Semite openly, but the you can graft a lot of

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01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:41,439
Speaker 1: what he's saying directly under the ship Hitler was saying.

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Speaker 1: So Hitler was obsessed with the idea that any sort

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Speaker 1: of so like social welfare or social justice, like in

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01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:49,439
Speaker 1: the idea that it was starting to be conceived of

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01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:53,520
Speaker 1: in the thirties, um in any like moves towards anti discrimination,

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01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:57,880
Speaker 1: you know, anti racism, anti colonialism, these like any any

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01:12:57,960 --> 01:13:01,240
Speaker 1: sort of social movement that was base star around empathy

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01:13:01,439 --> 01:13:05,559
Speaker 1: was Jewish infiltration, attempting to bring on Marxism. That like

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Speaker 1: that that was a big aspect of what the Nazis

1387
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:10,400
Speaker 1: were saying, is that like if if you're if you

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Speaker 1: were encouraging a society to be more empathetic, you're making

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01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:16,200
Speaker 1: it weaker and that's going to lead to it getting

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01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:18,679
Speaker 1: wiped out because you know, the world is just this

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01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:21,880
Speaker 1: cold competition of different races, and so you have to

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Speaker 1: fight against social justice sort of like ideology with extermination.

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01:13:27,479 --> 01:13:29,000
Speaker 1: Like that's what one of the reasons we have to

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01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:31,080
Speaker 1: kill the Jews is that they're going to like infect

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01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:33,840
Speaker 1: our society with this stuff. And Welch is saying the

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01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:36,200
Speaker 1: same thing. He's just not saying the Jews, but he's

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01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:41,000
Speaker 1: saying that, like any humanitarian uh policies being pursued in

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01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:44,559
Speaker 1: a society are part of a Satanic conspiracy to bring

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01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:47,599
Speaker 1: it down. And that's Yeah, in the very worst case,

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01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:50,639
Speaker 1: Welsh believe that military action might be necessary to dislodge

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01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:54,120
Speaker 1: the totalitarians. But for the moment, the question, yeah, absolutely

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01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:58,479
Speaker 1: does he like Their whole thing is that there's secret infiltration, right,

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01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:02,760
Speaker 1: Like they believe that infiltrated the government and their secret right, So,

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01:14:03,400 --> 01:14:07,040
Speaker 1: did there at any point consider like, Okay, let's say

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01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:09,200
Speaker 1: they actually believe this in good faith and it wasn't

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01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:12,639
Speaker 1: just a demagogue approach to control people. Do they ever

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01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:16,160
Speaker 1: at any point consider like, if they can infiltrate the Communists,

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01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:20,320
Speaker 1: they can infiltrate America, couldn't they also infiltrate the Conservatives? No,

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01:14:20,439 --> 01:14:23,320
Speaker 1: they believe that the Conservatives have been infiltrated. They think

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01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:27,639
Speaker 1: the mainstream Republican party has been compromised. Oh not there

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01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:30,240
Speaker 1: people right, Like they don't believe that they could be

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01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:33,400
Speaker 1: co optent. I I think they think that they're this

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01:14:33,479 --> 01:14:37,760
Speaker 1: like smaller like cell of real of true believers. But

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01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:40,360
Speaker 1: like part of why they organize themselves the way they

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01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:44,519
Speaker 1: do is so that they can't be infiltrated, right, Like,

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01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:48,639
Speaker 1: that's why they And ironically enough, Welch kind of adopts

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01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:51,960
Speaker 1: a Marxist Leninist model of a van of having a

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01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:56,240
Speaker 1: vanguard revolutionary party. So like he builds a series of

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01:14:56,280 --> 01:14:59,200
Speaker 1: small cells that work in secret to agitate the populace

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01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:02,559
Speaker 1: and elect, you know, candidates to office who were in

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01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:05,800
Speaker 1: line with their beliefs. Um it is. He was quoted

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01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:07,679
Speaker 1: as saying, it isn't numbers we have to worry about,

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01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:09,280
Speaker 1: but the courage on the part of our followers to

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01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:11,160
Speaker 1: stick their necks out and play rough the same as

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01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:15,639
Speaker 1: the communists do. So they're the John Birch Society hates

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01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:20,120
Speaker 1: communism and explicitly patterns its organization off of communist vanguard

1427
01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:22,919
Speaker 1: parties because they see that it works. Um and Philish

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01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:25,600
Speaker 1: Laughly was a member, a secret member of one of

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01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:28,960
Speaker 1: these vanguard parties. She was a dedicated member of the

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01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:31,639
Speaker 1: John Birch Society from the beginning, um and she held

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01:15:31,640 --> 01:15:35,240
Speaker 1: to its principles her entire life. Now. She denied this publicly,

1432
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:38,080
Speaker 1: and her biographer argues that she was never a member

1433
01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:42,840
Speaker 1: of the society. UM. But this is factually inaccurate. Just

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01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:46,000
Speaker 1: this year, researchers gained access to letters written by Philish

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01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:49,519
Speaker 1: Laughlely herself, where she blithely refers to her own membership

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01:15:49,560 --> 01:15:52,320
Speaker 1: in the John Birch Society as starting back in nineteen

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01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:55,840
Speaker 1: fifty nine. UM. And it's become clear that at a

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01:15:55,880 --> 01:15:58,559
Speaker 1: certain point, when the John Birch Society got toxic, she

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01:15:58,680 --> 01:16:02,240
Speaker 1: stopped openly admitting her membership and became a secret member,

1440
01:16:02,280 --> 01:16:04,880
Speaker 1: denying her affiliations in public because she could do more

1441
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:07,880
Speaker 1: good by working within the Republican Party and making it change.

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01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:10,799
Speaker 1: So she was an agent of the John Birch Society

1443
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:15,120
Speaker 1: embedded in the Republican Party. UM. Now she started the

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01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:18,320
Speaker 1: process of trying to change the Republican Party into the

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01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:22,040
Speaker 1: Party of John Birch in nineteen sixty at the Republican

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01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:25,639
Speaker 1: National Convention. UH and Nixon. To give you an idea

1447
01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:28,559
Speaker 1: of how fucked up things are here, Richard Nixon, that

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01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:31,320
Speaker 1: year's candidate, is going to be the good guy in

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01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:35,000
Speaker 1: in this part of the story. Because Nixon and his

1450
01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:38,479
Speaker 1: allies in nineteen sixty, we're fighting to add a new

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01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:41,960
Speaker 1: plank to the Republican Party platform, one that enshrined anti

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01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:46,479
Speaker 1: segregation and anti discrimination as fundamental Republican values. Now again,

1453
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:50,000
Speaker 1: Nixon himself very racist guy. You can listen to hours

1454
01:16:50,040 --> 01:16:52,320
Speaker 1: of him using the in word and being just like

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01:16:52,360 --> 01:16:56,479
Speaker 1: a horrible racist. But Nixon was also like kind of

1456
01:16:56,479 --> 01:17:01,880
Speaker 1: a as political operators. He was more of a politician

1457
01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:04,760
Speaker 1: than he was an ideological Republican, right Like, he was

1458
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:08,639
Speaker 1: a guy who wanted to do certain things in power,

1459
01:17:09,160 --> 01:17:13,479
Speaker 1: but also wasn't Like his kind of assumption was like, oh,

1460
01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:16,880
Speaker 1: look at how things are trending socially. Americans are fed

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01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:19,840
Speaker 1: up with segregation, and like with racism, we should at

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01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:22,519
Speaker 1: least announce, we should at least make it a plank

1463
01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:25,719
Speaker 1: of our party that we we don't support segregation, because

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01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:28,439
Speaker 1: that's clearly where the wind is blowing. And Phillis saw

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01:17:28,479 --> 01:17:31,400
Speaker 1: this as pure communism, like the fact that Richard Nixon

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01:17:31,439 --> 01:17:34,519
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, we probably shouldn't support segregation anymore. She

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01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:39,640
Speaker 1: thought this was communism because again, any humanitarianism is communism.

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01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:42,640
Speaker 1: That's like, that's what she believes. So she leads a

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01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:47,559
Speaker 1: revolt of what she calls moral conservatives and remember that line,

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01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:50,000
Speaker 1: because this is the first time anyone starts talking like this.

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01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:53,200
Speaker 1: This is before fallwell in the moral majority starts. She

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01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:57,280
Speaker 1: has her organization of Moral Conservatives UM, and they run

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01:17:57,320 --> 01:18:01,360
Speaker 1: an insurgent fight against Nixon to stop anti discrimination planks

1474
01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:03,920
Speaker 1: from being added to the Republican Party and they win

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01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:09,040
Speaker 1: UM and like not coincidentally, Nixon then loses the election

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Speaker 1: to jfk Uh. Now, like all good extremists, Laughlely didn't

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Speaker 1: see the fact that Nixon had gotten his ass kicked

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Speaker 1: by Kennedy to be at all emblematic of like conservatism

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01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:22,040
Speaker 1: being unpopular and needed to change. She decided that the

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01:18:22,040 --> 01:18:24,599
Speaker 1: party just hadn't gone far enough in the right direction

1481
01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:26,880
Speaker 1: yet uh, And that was fine for her. She had

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01:18:26,920 --> 01:18:29,360
Speaker 1: a plan to wrench the Republican Party in the American

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01:18:29,479 --> 01:18:31,639
Speaker 1: right out of the hands of men like Nixon forever.

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01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:34,240
Speaker 1: All she needed was a man to help her with that, because,

1485
01:18:34,280 --> 01:18:36,719
Speaker 1: of course, a woman could never be a presidential candidate.

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01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:40,280
Speaker 1: In nineteen sixty four, Philish laughly found her man in

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Speaker 1: Senator Barry Goldwater. You ever heard of Berry Goldwater, Big

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01:18:45,080 --> 01:18:47,800
Speaker 1: Berry g Yeah. A lot of people call him the

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01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:51,280
Speaker 1: first Trump Um, he was a lot smarter than Trump,

1490
01:18:51,320 --> 01:18:53,720
Speaker 1: but also a lot less successful. So I don't know,

1491
01:18:54,640 --> 01:18:58,000
Speaker 1: the times were different, like most of America's greatest nightmares.

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01:18:58,240 --> 01:19:01,280
Speaker 1: Barry Goldwater comes from Phoenix, era Zona. He's born there

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01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:05,400
Speaker 1: in nineteen o nine. UM. One side of his family

1494
01:19:05,479 --> 01:19:08,519
Speaker 1: was Jewish, they'd fled from Poland during the Revolutions of

1495
01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:11,760
Speaker 1: eighteen forty eight. The other half of his family were Episcopalian,

1496
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:14,080
Speaker 1: and Barry stayed Episcopali in all of his life. He

1497
01:19:14,120 --> 01:19:16,000
Speaker 1: joined the military as a pilot in World War Two,

1498
01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:19,439
Speaker 1: and he spent most of that conflict delivering supplies. Goldwater

1499
01:19:19,479 --> 01:19:22,120
Speaker 1: got into politics once he left the military, and like

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01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:25,720
Speaker 1: Philish laughly, he was a rabid anti New Deal crusader.

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01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:29,160
Speaker 1: He was initially elected, though on an anti corruption platform,

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01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:32,240
Speaker 1: sweeping the Phoenix City Council meetings of nineteen forty nine

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01:19:32,280 --> 01:19:35,680
Speaker 1: as part of a nonpartisan coalition dedicated to cleaning up

1504
01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:38,040
Speaker 1: the city. And you see this a lot with these

1505
01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:40,559
Speaker 1: guys is like they come into power planning to fight

1506
01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:44,720
Speaker 1: like like like promising to fight corruption like that. That's

1507
01:19:44,720 --> 01:19:46,840
Speaker 1: a story we here today. They have the power, they're

1508
01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:48,800
Speaker 1: they're one in power. It's like the whole idea is

1509
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:51,720
Speaker 1: paradox all to begin with the reality of situations that

1510
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:55,040
Speaker 1: you can't come into power and fight corruption because power corrupts.

1511
01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:57,880
Speaker 1: But whatever, he used this as the baseline to build

1512
01:19:57,920 --> 01:20:01,680
Speaker 1: to rebuild Arizona's week and in a active Republican party.

1513
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:04,479
Speaker 1: Arizona used to be a solid Democratic state UH. In

1514
01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:07,400
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty two, he won election to the Senate. Now

1515
01:20:07,479 --> 01:20:10,200
Speaker 1: the young senator from Arizona quickly gained prominence for his

1516
01:20:10,240 --> 01:20:13,680
Speaker 1: willingness to attack the head of his own party, Dwight D. Eisenhower,

1517
01:20:13,960 --> 01:20:18,720
Speaker 1: seeing some some some similarities here. Obviously, Goldwater was not

1518
01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:21,439
Speaker 1: an open member of the John Birch Society. He didn't

1519
01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:25,879
Speaker 1: call Eisenhower a communist, but he criticized Eisenhower's budget proposals,

1520
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:29,760
Speaker 1: which he saw as unreasonably wasteful. UH. Financial criticisms of

1521
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:32,800
Speaker 1: Eisenhower soon gave a way to Barry's real issue, which

1522
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:37,320
Speaker 1: was that Eisenhower supported forcibly integrating schools. So Eisenhower said, yeah,

1523
01:20:37,400 --> 01:20:40,040
Speaker 1: we should send in the military to make these southern

1524
01:20:40,120 --> 01:20:42,840
Speaker 1: states integrate their schools if they won't do it themselves.

1525
01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:46,800
Speaker 1: And that was Barry. Goldwater's big issue is and and

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01:20:46,840 --> 01:20:51,080
Speaker 1: in the way he and like his defenders, so conservatives today,

1527
01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:53,479
Speaker 1: you know, will defend both he and Philish Laughley, who

1528
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:57,320
Speaker 1: was also anti integration, like her biographer Critchlow, will defend

1529
01:20:57,360 --> 01:21:00,000
Speaker 1: them both as saying that like, they didn't oppose integration,

1530
01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:03,000
Speaker 1: and they just opposed the federal government and federal troops

1531
01:21:03,040 --> 01:21:07,560
Speaker 1: being used to integrate schools. Now they also pose enforcement

1532
01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:12,280
Speaker 1: of it, because whenever people argue for like state school rights,

1533
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:15,360
Speaker 1: for charter schools and things, they're basically saying they don't

1534
01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:18,080
Speaker 1: want to have to force integration. They're not against it,

1535
01:21:18,120 --> 01:21:21,200
Speaker 1: but given the choice, they're not going to do it. Yeah,

1536
01:21:21,240 --> 01:21:23,160
Speaker 1: And it's it is one of those things where it's like, oh, well,

1537
01:21:23,200 --> 01:21:25,880
Speaker 1: we're just against forcing people to do it, and it's like, okay,

1538
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:27,760
Speaker 1: but we still want schools to be integrated. And then

1539
01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:29,599
Speaker 1: you ask them, okay, well how do you integrate schools?

1540
01:21:29,640 --> 01:21:31,240
Speaker 1: And they never actually have an answer because they don't

1541
01:21:31,240 --> 01:21:34,200
Speaker 1: want schools to be integrated because they're just racists. But

1542
01:21:34,280 --> 01:21:36,759
Speaker 1: they know you can't run on that anymore. It sounds

1543
01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:39,599
Speaker 1: like a lot like another argument about choice. I can't

1544
01:21:39,680 --> 01:21:41,479
Speaker 1: quite think of it, but it's just making me think

1545
01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:43,439
Speaker 1: of something. This idea that you just want a choice,

1546
01:21:43,479 --> 01:21:46,200
Speaker 1: not that you want to do that. I can't think

1547
01:21:46,240 --> 01:21:47,439
Speaker 1: of it. It's off the top of my head, but

1548
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:50,760
Speaker 1: you know, just at the tip of my tongue, it's freedom. Yeah.

1549
01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:54,519
Speaker 1: So okay. So Goldwater and Shlafley were both viryle and

1550
01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:58,160
Speaker 1: anti integration crusaders. Um. And the reality is that this

1551
01:21:58,200 --> 01:22:02,200
Speaker 1: isn't because they were angry at federal overreach. They just

1552
01:22:02,320 --> 01:22:07,400
Speaker 1: knew that their ideal constituency was white men and white women. Uh.

1553
01:22:07,439 --> 01:22:10,240
Speaker 1: And again, this was actually something that Philish Laughly was

1554
01:22:10,280 --> 01:22:14,760
Speaker 1: pretty consistent about admitting. You know, her biographer likes to

1555
01:22:14,840 --> 01:22:17,680
Speaker 1: hide this. A lot of folks who will support her,

1556
01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:20,400
Speaker 1: or folks who will like support Goldwater, will will try

1557
01:22:20,439 --> 01:22:23,080
Speaker 1: to defend them on this. But Laughly was very consistent

1558
01:22:23,120 --> 01:22:25,240
Speaker 1: about the fact that she only gave a ship about

1559
01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:28,880
Speaker 1: representing white people and white people's political interests. In two

1560
01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:32,080
Speaker 1: thousand twelve, after Mitt Romney's defeat, the Republican Party conducted

1561
01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:35,120
Speaker 1: an autopsy to determine why they had lost. Uh. That

1562
01:22:35,240 --> 01:22:37,960
Speaker 1: autopsy advised them to seek to engage with black and

1563
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:40,840
Speaker 1: Hispanic voters more effectively, and Shlaughley was one of a

1564
01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:43,639
Speaker 1: few prominent Republicans at the time to reject this openly

1565
01:22:43,760 --> 01:22:46,400
Speaker 1: saying the people the Republicans should reach out to are

1566
01:22:46,439 --> 01:22:48,640
Speaker 1: the white folks, the white voters who didn't vote in

1567
01:22:48,680 --> 01:22:50,800
Speaker 1: the last election, and there are millions of them. The

1568
01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:53,320
Speaker 1: propagandists are leading us down the wrong path. There's not

1569
01:22:53,400 --> 01:22:56,000
Speaker 1: any evidence at all that these Hispanics coming in from

1570
01:22:56,000 --> 01:23:01,880
Speaker 1: Mexico will vote Republicans. Yeah. So this was exactly the

1571
01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:04,360
Speaker 1: same way she felt in the early nineteen sixties, because

1572
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:08,720
Speaker 1: once she became a conservative, she never ever changed again. UM.

1573
01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:12,719
Speaker 1: And she and Barry Goldwater again wanted to get wanted

1574
01:23:12,760 --> 01:23:14,960
Speaker 1: to get the white people's vote. UM. And they were

1575
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:19,960
Speaker 1: specifically kind of organizing an insurgent campaign against a more

1576
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:24,880
Speaker 1: you know, mainstream appealing Republican presidential candidate, uh Nelson Rockefeller.

1577
01:23:24,920 --> 01:23:28,120
Speaker 1: And Rockefeller started out as like he seemed like the

1578
01:23:28,120 --> 01:23:30,479
Speaker 1: guy who was initially about to win the nineteen sixty

1579
01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:33,519
Speaker 1: four nomination for the Republican candidacy, and back in nineteen

1580
01:23:33,560 --> 01:23:35,960
Speaker 1: sixty he had actually been the guy who had proposed

1581
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:39,240
Speaker 1: the anti segregation plank and the Republican Party platform that

1582
01:23:39,320 --> 01:23:43,679
Speaker 1: Slaughly had organized against UM. Meanwhile, Senator Goldwater had voted

1583
01:23:43,680 --> 01:23:47,160
Speaker 1: against the civil rights Act of nineteen sixty four. Um,

1584
01:23:47,200 --> 01:23:50,760
Speaker 1: So this guy in sixty four Rockefeller is running and

1585
01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:53,879
Speaker 1: he's like Republicans should be less racist, and Barry Goldwater

1586
01:23:54,040 --> 01:23:55,960
Speaker 1: is the no, no, no, We've got to go whole

1587
01:23:56,000 --> 01:23:59,479
Speaker 1: hog into racism. That's my entire thing, because I'm literally

1588
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:02,120
Speaker 1: a fashion I should note here that, like, there was

1589
01:24:02,160 --> 01:24:05,479
Speaker 1: never any chance of either of them winning the election, right. Uh,

1590
01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:08,960
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty four is right after JFK was gunned down

1591
01:24:09,080 --> 01:24:12,000
Speaker 1: by a young Bernard Sanders, and the Vietnam War was

1592
01:24:12,040 --> 01:24:14,280
Speaker 1: like not yet at its favorite pitch. So lb J,

1593
01:24:14,920 --> 01:24:17,200
Speaker 1: who did like one of the most masterful pieces of

1594
01:24:17,200 --> 01:24:19,720
Speaker 1: American political maneuvering, is kind of like how lb J

1595
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:23,479
Speaker 1: handled the immediate wake of JFK's death. He's extremely popular

1596
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:25,920
Speaker 1: at this point, um, and he's just the war on

1597
01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:28,759
Speaker 1: poverty has gotten started, the Voting Rights Act has been passed,

1598
01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:31,639
Speaker 1: there's like all this progressive stuff that's being slammed through Congress.

1599
01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:36,000
Speaker 1: You've got this incredibly popular and effective Democratic president, Um,

1600
01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:39,160
Speaker 1: who has taken over from this tragically murdered young Democrat.

1601
01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:41,519
Speaker 1: There's no way the Republican Republicans are gonna win in

1602
01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:44,120
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty four. So it's something that's of a lost

1603
01:24:44,160 --> 01:24:46,680
Speaker 1: cause from the beginning, but it becomes kind of this

1604
01:24:46,760 --> 01:24:49,519
Speaker 1: fight over what the future of the Republican Party is

1605
01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:52,240
Speaker 1: going to be. So on one hand, you have Nelson Rockefeller,

1606
01:24:52,280 --> 01:24:55,280
Speaker 1: who's like, he's like Michael Bloomberg. Actually he's a very

1607
01:24:55,400 --> 01:24:59,479
Speaker 1: very wealthy guy who's popular with the elite of the party,

1608
01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:05,040
Speaker 1: but normal Republicans hate him as much as like normal Democrats. Reality. Yeah,

1609
01:25:05,080 --> 01:25:07,439
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, he's sort of in history books,

1610
01:25:07,439 --> 01:25:10,120
Speaker 1: he's sort of I mean, he he reeks of someone

1611
01:25:10,160 --> 01:25:12,960
Speaker 1: who's just another rich guy who bought his way into

1612
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:16,520
Speaker 1: good graces. But I remember reading about him as a philanthropist,

1613
01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:18,880
Speaker 1: and you're like, that's not the first thing. He didn't

1614
01:25:18,880 --> 01:25:21,439
Speaker 1: get his money by being a philanthrop business he got money,

1615
01:25:21,760 --> 01:25:24,240
Speaker 1: and then he decided to pay his way into being

1616
01:25:24,280 --> 01:25:27,720
Speaker 1: remembered as a philanthropist. Yeah. Yeah, And so like the

1617
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:30,080
Speaker 1: right the fact that the right wing hates him, they

1618
01:25:30,080 --> 01:25:32,000
Speaker 1: all wind up hating him for the wrong reasons because

1619
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:35,200
Speaker 1: they weave him into these conspiracy theory theories. But like

1620
01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:38,559
Speaker 1: he was he sucks, uh And yeah, the John Birch

1621
01:25:38,680 --> 01:25:41,360
Speaker 1: Society considered him a communist agent, and he still winds

1622
01:25:41,439 --> 01:25:43,680
Speaker 1: up in right wing conspiracy webs to this day, you'll

1623
01:25:43,680 --> 01:25:45,240
Speaker 1: find him in a ship let a quin on stuff.

1624
01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:49,200
Speaker 1: They can't stop talking about the guy. So Philish Laughlely

1625
01:25:49,479 --> 01:25:52,400
Speaker 1: is was probably the most influential of a kadra of

1626
01:25:52,479 --> 01:25:55,280
Speaker 1: right wing organizers who in nineteen sixty four throws their

1627
01:25:55,280 --> 01:25:58,080
Speaker 1: support behind Barry Goldwater. During this period that's going to

1628
01:25:58,120 --> 01:26:01,680
Speaker 1: determine what the Republican already becomes in the future. The

1629
01:26:01,760 --> 01:26:04,960
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty four elections are where the Republicans voted on like,

1630
01:26:05,479 --> 01:26:07,360
Speaker 1: what are we going to do next? What are we

1631
01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:09,439
Speaker 1: going to be next? We're going to be this more

1632
01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:12,640
Speaker 1: kind of technocratic, corporatist but open party where we try to,

1633
01:26:13,040 --> 01:26:15,880
Speaker 1: you know, appeal to a wide variety of voters. Or

1634
01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:18,160
Speaker 1: are we going to just go straight for white people?

1635
01:26:18,200 --> 01:26:21,000
Speaker 1: And like that's us forever, is just getting white people

1636
01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:24,000
Speaker 1: to back us, um and fucking over everyone who's not

1637
01:26:24,040 --> 01:26:26,600
Speaker 1: a white person. Yeah, straight for white sounds like a

1638
01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:30,160
Speaker 1: really shitty dating app And Philish laughly decides like she

1639
01:26:30,240 --> 01:26:32,800
Speaker 1: wants the Republican Party to be the party of white people,

1640
01:26:32,840 --> 01:26:34,920
Speaker 1: and god damn it, she's going to fight to make

1641
01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:37,400
Speaker 1: that be the case. And we will talk about what

1642
01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:41,439
Speaker 1: happens next in part two of this episode. But Teresa,

1643
01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:43,639
Speaker 1: you know what it's time for right now? What time

1644
01:26:43,720 --> 01:26:46,520
Speaker 1: is it? It's time for you to to do some plugables.

1645
01:26:47,080 --> 01:26:52,040
Speaker 1: Plug plug them out, okay, with your plug up your

1646
01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:57,000
Speaker 1: holes with by following me online, right Larisa T on Twitter,

1647
01:26:57,000 --> 01:27:00,200
Speaker 1: on Instagram. And I think I'm gonna be selling um

1648
01:27:00,280 --> 01:27:03,040
Speaker 1: limited hats. Let's say cancel me, daddy, because enough people

1649
01:27:03,080 --> 01:27:04,840
Speaker 1: told me I should make them. So if you guys

1650
01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:07,800
Speaker 1: like those, I love it and they'll probably be out

1651
01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:10,240
Speaker 1: by the time this is out. But yeah, yeah, yeah,

1652
01:27:10,640 --> 01:27:13,000
Speaker 1: And I'm not Larisa T. But you can find me

1653
01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:15,880
Speaker 1: elsewhere on the internet, or so the legend goes. No

1654
01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:18,320
Speaker 1: one's ever proved it one way or the other if

1655
01:27:18,320 --> 01:27:22,040
Speaker 1: I'm on the internet, so go seek me out and

1656
01:27:22,240 --> 01:27:25,920
Speaker 1: if you find me, uh, listen to my teachings and

1657
01:27:26,680 --> 01:27:32,800
Speaker 1: we will become lovers. Uh, Sophie, how do I end this?

1658
01:27:33,320 --> 01:27:35,760
Speaker 1: You guys follow Robert on Twitter right, Okay? You can

1659
01:27:35,800 --> 01:27:38,080
Speaker 1: follow us on Twitter and Instagram. At Bastard Pot you

1660
01:27:38,120 --> 01:27:41,040
Speaker 1: can buy someone from our key public merch store. You

1661
01:27:41,080 --> 01:27:45,519
Speaker 1: can listen to Robert on Worst Year Ever. You sure

1662
01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:50,160
Speaker 1: wear a face mask and washer hands what else to

1663
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Speaker 1: do it? Yes, that's good. Great, the podcast is over.