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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Noriy Von Breushler.

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Speaker 1: Fun.

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Speaker 2: How did you get interested in dreams?

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Speaker 3: Well, let's see, I started having these these very insightful

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Speaker 3: out of body dreams in the eighties. I lived on

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Speaker 3: Mount Hood in Oregon. And and then I suddenly found

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Speaker 3: myself just leaving and going places, and I thought, this

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Speaker 3: is great. I just have to I have to get

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Speaker 3: some reliable way to return to these dreams and continue

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Speaker 3: them and bring them about. And you know, I think

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Speaker 3: a lot of people just have them, you know, accidentally,

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Speaker 3: and they slip into them and they wonder, wow, what

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Speaker 3: was that? And and I and I really worked to

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Speaker 3: try to develop a situation where I would go into

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Speaker 3: an altered seat of consciousness and program a dream and

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Speaker 3: and and they were they were really insane, and they

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Speaker 3: and they made a difference in my life and and

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Speaker 3: they and they answered a lot of questions for me,

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Speaker 3: and and I thought, wow, this is amazing. I you know,

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Speaker 3: I I've never heard of this before, these these incredible

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Speaker 3: dreams that were so colorful and and and vivid, and

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Speaker 3: the you know, and the difference between a lucid dream,

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Speaker 3: of course, is that you're consciously aware that you're.

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Speaker 2: You're in.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and you're actually a participant. You're not just

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Speaker 3: watching people or or playing all the parts, or like

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Speaker 3: reliving a moment in your memory. It's actually a new experience. Uh.

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Speaker 3: And and very often, you know, you'll you'll actually encounter

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Speaker 3: people in dreams, and then you know you'll find out

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Speaker 3: that they were dreaming too, And and it is possible

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Speaker 3: to link dreams and have group dreams, and and there's

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Speaker 3: a history of that, I think, going back to some

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Speaker 3: of the ancients, they actually believed in that sort of thing. Uh.

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Speaker 3: Ancient Buddhism believe that people could share a dream, and

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Speaker 3: these were like very very important for them to have

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Speaker 3: these dream experiences together. So I you know, it's it's

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Speaker 3: meant it's meant a lot to me, and it's it's

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Speaker 3: been after all insightful and and and meaningful and prophetic,

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Speaker 3: and it's helped me through some periods where I was

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Speaker 3: sick and I couldn't figure out what was wrong, and

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Speaker 3: I could get outside of myself and look at it,

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Speaker 3: you know, objectively, you know, So in that sense, you know,

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Speaker 3: I believe, like Aristotle, you can actually examine your your

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Speaker 3: body and determine what's wrong, you know, because because it is,

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Speaker 3: it's something else. Like we were talking earlier about the

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Speaker 3: the shamanic tradition and how the dream walked would would

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Speaker 3: go and and and and they would not only speak

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Speaker 3: to their ancestors, they would speak to gods, and they

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Speaker 3: would speak to other guides, and they would speak to

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Speaker 3: animal spirits. And I think that a lot of people

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Speaker 3: in their in their lucid dreaming, will will encounter animal spirits,

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Speaker 3: and very often they'll be chased by animals. And it's

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Speaker 3: very important to turn around and greet the animal because

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Speaker 3: it's trying to get your attention. It is probably your

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Speaker 3: spirit guide trying to talk to you, to give you

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Speaker 3: some insight into something, because because animals, you know, they

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Speaker 3: have they have insight too.

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Speaker 2: Sure, Wen, how do you explain precognitive dreams? What develops

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Speaker 2: that unbelievable gift.

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Speaker 3: That is really incredible, isn't it? And we have a

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Speaker 3: lot of interesting stories like that of people that have

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Speaker 3: of of of actually knowing what was going to happen,

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Speaker 3: and and and and and it came true. Obviously they're

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Speaker 3: going forward in time and they're seeing what's going to

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Speaker 3: actually happen, just as people can go back in time

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Speaker 3: and see what has happened, which can be very revealing

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Speaker 3: to a person to understand themselves and their family and

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Speaker 3: how they got to where they are today. But to

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Speaker 3: go forward in time, you can see what the future holds.

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Speaker 3: And I think some people just do this, you know,

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Speaker 3: And I don't think that they necessarily plan it, and

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Speaker 3: some of them maybe do, but they it has great

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Speaker 3: often will see in the future do tend to come true.

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Speaker 3: And it happens on very minute levels too. These are

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Speaker 3: not always likely the plane is going to crash and

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Speaker 2: What happened on the plane, You did not get on.

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Speaker 3: It got rerouted and I would have been late. I

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Speaker 3: don't It didn't crash, but you know, I had some issues, huh,

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Speaker 3: you know, the alarm what didn't go off in my dream,

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Speaker 3: I said, no, I'm not going. I'm not going, you know.

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Speaker 3: So sometimes these little things can be small, like you're

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Speaker 3: and how it's going to take place, and and there's

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Speaker 3: And there are various degrees I suppose of how complicated

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Speaker 3: pre visualize what you want to dream about, and then

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Speaker 3: you you you you meditate on doing this, you put

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Speaker 3: yourself in an altered state, and then and then by

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Speaker 3: go into it like, well it's going to be like

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Speaker 3: you know, post a hypnotic suggestion where you say, then

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Speaker 3: you can train yourself to do this amazingly. But there's

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Speaker 3: like three or four steps and it's really really important.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I I started when I started seriously and

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Speaker 3: tried to program my my lucid dreaming. I studied creative visualization,

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Speaker 3: to visualize having done it, because if you don't visualize

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Speaker 3: doing it, you're not going to do it, you know.

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Speaker 3: So people weren't going far enough in their visualization. They

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Speaker 3: weren't actually putting themselves into an induced state, which would

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Speaker 3: that is to say, putting yourself totally to sleep, including

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Speaker 3: including your brain. And to do this you need to

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Speaker 3: actually have an inner harmony that where your brain and

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Speaker 3: while and rest with the rest of your body and

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Speaker 3: allow your inner consciousness to roam and explore. And it's

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Speaker 3: going to be a controlled moment where you actually you know,

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Speaker 3: you actually know what you're going to do and what

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Speaker 3: and so there is some some assurance that from you know,

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Speaker 3: going to be safe. This is the main thing. Most

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Speaker 3: because because they're so sure. The brain is so sure

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Speaker 3: It's like a it's like a gatekeeper. It won't let

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Speaker 3: how can you come back? You know. But yeah, so

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Speaker 3: of the mind. No, this is not really accurate. You know.

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Speaker 3: It really is requiring an inner harmony of body, mind

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Speaker 3: kind of like just kind of go into a shutdown

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Speaker 3: And it's good to do this, you know. And and

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Speaker 3: going to allow your your inner consciousness to come forward

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Speaker 3: and take you somewhere on a on a guided, guided journey,

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Speaker 2: I would use my dreams on and I still do,

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Speaker 2: to accomplish things by getting things done. I would, for example,

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Speaker 2: if I was looking for a position years ago, I'd

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Speaker 2: concentrate on the individual who did the hiring and go

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Speaker 2: to sleep on it. And sure enough, a day or

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Speaker 2: we've got an opening. We're looking for a guy like

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Speaker 2: you. You interested? I mean, how does that work?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? See so, And this is why creative visualization is

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Speaker 3: actually program the things that you want to work on.

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Speaker 3: You know, you can also work on problems that are

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Speaker 3: then now conscious awareness, not your five physical senses. You

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Speaker 3: uh to to explore with You have a lot of

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Speaker 3: And and I think it's very good to work on problems,

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Speaker 3: uh meeting people dealing with questions that that seem to

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Speaker 2: They could be health related, emotional related, you name it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean one of the first things I

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Speaker 3: And I had kind of twisted my ankle earlier in

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Speaker 2: Can you train people to dream like that?

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Speaker 3: Yes? Yes, And this is what I like to do

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Speaker 3: And and if if, if, if, if they're good at it,

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Speaker 3: exactly what they want to accomplish, because every great journey

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Speaker 3: are you're going to go? What are you going to explore?

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Speaker 3: And this is what what what? What was so hard

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Speaker 3: have a plan, you know, every great journey needs a plan,

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Speaker 3: and you need things to take with you, which is

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Speaker 3: like you know your objectives. You know, that's what you

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Speaker 3: the fool card and the deck. He goes off on

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Speaker 3: he carries with him, because everything he has with him

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Speaker 3: already is his enthusiasm and his and his his his

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Speaker 3: what we what we would often call the fool's journey.

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Speaker 3: But the fool is is is a great explorer and

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Speaker 3: and and we can explore in this manner to every

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Speaker 2: It's incredible how it works. Do you interpret dreams? Fun?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I I do my own, you know. And I

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Speaker 3: think that people often make a mistake of trying to

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Speaker 3: look into a dream dictionary and saying, well, what does

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Speaker 3: the porcupine mean or or or what does jagged rock mean?

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Speaker 3: Or whatever? You know, you can look up in any

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Speaker 3: of these dream journals, not dream excuse me, dream dictionaries,

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Speaker 3: and it'll tell you what something typically means. But it's

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Speaker 3: not going to be the same for every person, because

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Speaker 3: here's the thing. In a true dream of discovery, a lucid,

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Speaker 3: insightful dream, it's going to be highly subjective. It's your dream,

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Speaker 3: and you have to learn to to break it down yourself.

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Speaker 3: And what I always encourage people to do is when

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Speaker 3: they return from the lucid dream is to lie very

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Speaker 3: quietly with their eyes still closed and hold the dream

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Speaker 3: and then feel it and then own it and then

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Speaker 3: take it within, you know, and don't try to totally

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Speaker 3: unpack it analytically because then you're engaging your analytical mind.

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Speaker 3: But just completely try to remember it. Try to remember

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Speaker 3: exactly what happened accurately. At best you can. You can

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Speaker 3: do this when you first return from a dream, but

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