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Speaker 1: What up? This is Chef Lily Morda, and this is

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Speaker 1: Sue Chefs Stephen Phillips Horse and this is Celebrity Book Club. Hey,

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Speaker 1: best friend, Hey, best friend. I am very excited to

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Speaker 1: talk about this week's book, which is none other than Momofuku,

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Speaker 1: inventor restaurant or God of Chef, God of Food, TV

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Speaker 1: Personality Podcast. Personality reinvented the bow Psalm ten thirty PM

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Speaker 1: Dining Vibe, and we invented standing in Line in two

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Speaker 1: thousand and eight for Ramen, literally, which is what New

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Speaker 1: York is now all about. We're talking about the hot

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Speaker 1: new book Eat a Peach the Memoir by David Chang.

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Speaker 1: As I was reading this, I was just being like,

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Speaker 1: there's such a Joe Rogan energy to every single Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's so then every single chef thinks that he invented

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Speaker 1: everything that he's ever done, Like anytime he has an idea,

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Speaker 1: he's just like and then my fucking mind exploded. First

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Speaker 1: line is always just like, so you want to open

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Speaker 1: up a fucking restaurant, don't okay, don't take my fucking advice,

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Speaker 1: and don't okay, because cooking it's for the misfit, it's

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Speaker 1: for the convict, it's for the alcoholic. And I'm like,

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Speaker 1: so everyone's an ex con and every kitchen no, I mean,

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Speaker 1: obviously there's like ced characters, but it's like chefs have

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Speaker 1: this psychot meglomania that I guess like it forces you

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Speaker 1: he have to have unless you, unless you're almost you

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Speaker 1: would be known for not being like a crazy egomaniac,

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Speaker 1: and they would write about it and they'd be like

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Speaker 1: something in his Danish kitchen was different. Yeah, that's why

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Speaker 1: people say don't data chef. Well, also don't have Verda chef,

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Speaker 1: because they make shitty food when they get home because

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Speaker 1: they're tired of making amazing food, kind of like how

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Speaker 1: you're like right clean, right, And it's well, it's funny

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Speaker 1: that you brought up that, because I feel like so

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Speaker 1: much of what David Cheng did with his food was like,

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Speaker 1: for Yeah, and that's kind of how the Bosam came about. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm already hungry talking about this book. The Bosom you

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Speaker 1: don't know is it's a sort of reinvention of a

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Speaker 1: traditional Korean meal that's usually with pork belly, which is

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Speaker 1: slow simmered pork shoulder. And it's an absolute massive hunk

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Speaker 1: of pork shoulder that you can get at Mama Ugusamba.

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Speaker 1: They bring it out. You have to order it twenty

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Speaker 1: four hours in advance, and the seatings are only at

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Speaker 1: like non dining hours. It's like five thirty or ten thirty.

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Speaker 1: It's like fucking badass, so New York. It's just like, uh, yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: you're not gonna fucking get your bosom at eight pm

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Speaker 1: on a Saturday night. But yeah, so you may be

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Speaker 1: familiar with David chanks Mamafuku empire of restaurants. Obviously, the

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Speaker 1: first was um Noodle Noodle Bar, and then he opened Sambar,

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Speaker 1: then there was then the last Vegas Reston said, he became,

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Speaker 1: But just to back up for a second, let's just

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Speaker 1: It's like very footnoted. But yeah, so the cover is

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Speaker 1: Lilyemsake pause for salke por Um. It's like a Dionysius

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Speaker 1: funny thing at work on Thursday, and no, it's so

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Speaker 1: it's it's very the the simone. Shall we send you

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Speaker 1: the simone of the friend group, the beaulist girl who

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Speaker 1: you want to get the pistachio? Like would I would have?

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Speaker 1: we get um, thirty spoons, No thirty spoons in one

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Speaker 1: I ranged as a kid. My father was not a

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Speaker 1: Joe Chang. He was not a andre Agassi's father. You know.

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Speaker 1: He wasn't a droll star. Well you know why. It's

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Speaker 1: So my grandfather immigrant, my grandmother was your grandfather had

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Speaker 1: mad hatters disease from working in the factories. The mercury.

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Speaker 1: It's like an actual thing. That's where the Alison Wonderland thing.

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Speaker 1: Both my grandparents had mad hatters disease because they worked

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Speaker 1: mercury that they used for the pillbox hats for the fedoras.

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Speaker 1: so millinery like actually one of the most toxic professions. Yes,

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Speaker 1: was just like yes, like he basically like the root

423
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,880
Speaker 1: of all of his anger is in his childhood. Yeah.

424
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,399
Speaker 1: The go cart. The go cart. Oh, he's in a

425
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 1: go cart. He basically breaks his leg and his dad

426
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:54,719
Speaker 1: doesn't take him to the hospital for five They do this.

427
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 1: It's very like nineteen fifties and it's like they're racing

428
00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 1: go carts down the street and he falls out of

429
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 1: his go cart and it runs over his leg and

430
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,679
Speaker 1: it like breaks his leg or something, and he's like

431
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 1: laid up on the couch for days, and the dad

432
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,200
Speaker 1: is just being very stern and just like you're fine,

433
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,639
Speaker 1: like man up, man up, like being so Sarah Palin

434
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 1: and man up and then at what point he takes

435
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,119
Speaker 1: him to an acupuncturist. Oh, Like so when he and

436
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:23,200
Speaker 1: David asked him like later on, he's like, literally all

437
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,439
Speaker 1: your friends were doctors, yet you took me to this

438
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,680
Speaker 1: like famous acupuncturist for like literally a broken leg. And

439
00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:30,800
Speaker 1: then like when he finally gets an X ray, they're like, yeah,

440
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:32,879
Speaker 1: like it's broken, Like you need to set it, like

441
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 1: it'll be better. And so obviously, like everything in his

442
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:39,440
Speaker 1: life and his insane chip on his shoulder stems from

443
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:44,640
Speaker 1: his parents broken leg hit. But then his father becomes

444
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,880
Speaker 1: who is the one who basically that's why he can

445
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 1: open noodle bar at yeah twenty six, His dad gives

446
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:56,399
Speaker 1: them the loan and raises money within like their entire community,

447
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 1: and like Richardson Virginia or whatever basically gives him one

448
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars. Yeah, because his dad was like part

449
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 1: of like it seems like was almost part of a cabal,

450
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 1: I want to say, like like an actual like price

451
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 1: fixing community of Korean golf store owners in different neighborhoods

452
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 1: of Greater DC where they each had a different territory

453
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 1: and they like agreed to like charge a certain amount

454
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,679
Speaker 1: right fur there. And then later on he finds out

455
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 1: when I think he opens up Psalm or co, that

456
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 1: his dad leverages the golf business. Again, so his dad

457
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,440
Speaker 1: was a huge supporter of his life. But it's also classic,

458
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 1: it's like his dad he only found out his father's

459
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 1: love because his father was leveraging his golf company. They

460
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 1: could never say I love you. Oh, this is a

461
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 1: crazy His therapist doesn't tell him he is bipolar till

462
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 1: very recently because he knew that if he told him

463
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 1: that he was bipolar, he would like. This is also

464
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,680
Speaker 1: like giving him like he's like, I'm such like an obsessive,

465
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 1: Like he's like I had researched my bipolar nous like

466
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 1: too much if I knew I was bipolar. I find

467
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,639
Speaker 1: him to be a little bit obsessed with his like

468
00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:01,200
Speaker 1: own cookie girl narrative, like in this way where he's

469
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 1: like like like yeah, like and then it turns out

470
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:05,640
Speaker 1: I was like even crazier than I thought. I'm I'm

471
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,439
Speaker 1: such a hypochondriac. I'm like so neurotic. I have to

472
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 1: like drink to fall a sleep, and I'm like sleeper

473
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,400
Speaker 1: angry and like no one likes me, but it's it's

474
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,120
Speaker 1: like it's like, Babe, I'm still just hearing me me

475
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 1: me me, me, me me me, And like one thing

476
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 1: I will say that kind of bothered me about this

477
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 1: book versus Anthony Bourdain's book Kitchen Confidential, is I mean, also,

478
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 1: this book can't exist without Kitchen Confidential, doesn't exist without

479
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 1: Confidential in Bourdain's a big character in this book, and

480
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 1: we'll get to the relationship, which I think is beautiful.

481
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 1: But you know, in Bourdain's book, Chang like so basically

482
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,399
Speaker 1: right after he like can't be a golf product anymore

483
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 1: because he like gains a ton of way and gets

484
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 1: huge in high school and then he throws off his

485
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 1: wing and now he's like this big boy, you can't

486
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,360
Speaker 1: play golf. He like goes to culinary school, and what

487
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 1: I do find in saying about his career is that

488
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 1: he literally just goes from clinary school to working at

489
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,679
Speaker 1: Craft under Tom Collecio and then working at fucking Cafoe Balloon,

490
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 1: like one of the like most like high level, expensive,

491
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 1: like fancy restaurants in the city. It's like, wait, where

492
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,400
Speaker 1: was your like toiling up the ladder. Here's the thing

493
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,640
Speaker 1: I feel like about like being a chef is like

494
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 1: I think you can like if you're just like I

495
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 1: come in and you're like I want to be a

496
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 1: little bit ye yeah, and then you do be a

497
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 1: little bit yeah, and then they're just like okay, why

498
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 1: don't you scrub this for seven hours? And then you

499
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 1: work your way up. He talks about the guy who

500
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 1: went to astance in Paris and like showed up every

501
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,919
Speaker 1: day for four months with his knives, being like I

502
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: want to work, and they were like no, and then

503
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 1: after four months they were like fine, and now he

504
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 1: like Zac restaurant, So there you go. And that's why

505
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 1: it's like, I mean to roast this narrative, but you

506
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 1: have you do have to be psycho. You have to

507
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 1: be psycho and desperate. Yeah, and you have to be

508
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: like yes, I mean, as he says in the end

509
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,879
Speaker 1: in his like epilogue of thirty three reasons like to

510
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,679
Speaker 1: become a chef or whatever, it's like you have to

511
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 1: like not care about a clock. You can't like want

512
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: to hang out with friends, you can't have a life

513
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,640
Speaker 1: like you're never ground on Friday again, vetch. Sorry, it's

514
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 1: a very um I feel like the mentality when I

515
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 1: sold Christmas trees that they were trying to um put

516
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: on me, just being like you're not gonna fucking have

517
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:10,439
Speaker 1: a life, Like this job isn't for everyone, Like we

518
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,919
Speaker 1: we eat sleep trees and it's like at least with

519
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: Bega Chef, you're like it's you have a drive to

520
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 1: do it. But I was like something, you're creating something.

521
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 1: I was like, you weren't really creating like new trees.

522
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: Just kind of proud of this tree, right, It's like, yes,

523
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 1: if you're doing like a gorgeous scallop CRUDEO. Were absolutely

524
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,439
Speaker 1: proud of any of your Christmas tree sales when you

525
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 1: worked at that soho Christmas Oh oh, I was, well,

526
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 1: I also decorated wreaths that then I would decorate a

527
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 1: wreath they would sell for what one twenty waits. You

528
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 1: actually had a huge creative outlet. Yeah. Well I started

529
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: as a wreath decorator and then they saw something in

530
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,439
Speaker 1: me and they moved me to sales. I think they

531
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: saw that I was a lesbian and because all the Russia,

532
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 1: all the tree salesmanber just Russian men, and they put

533
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,199
Speaker 1: all like the girls and like one gay guy in

534
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 1: like the tree decorate the wreath decorating tent, and we'd

535
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: just like put cones on ship and then they like

536
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 1: sell it for like two hundred dollars. This is ill

537
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,719
Speaker 1: named robot Soho Christmas Trees and it was run by

538
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 1: the most insane David Chang guy, and he, like I

539
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: cried many times. He would scream at me. He would

540
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:20,679
Speaker 1: scream because they worked on this whole crazy thing. It

541
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 1: was like a good Cup Bad Cop, where their prices

542
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: were like teared and it was kind of all opinionated.

543
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: So I would give a price and I'd be like, oh,

544
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,439
Speaker 1: this tree is like three twenty, and someone would just

545
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: be like that's insane. But and I'd be like, well,

546
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: let's go see what the guy at the trailer says. Oh,

547
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: and then he would be like, how about this. I'll

548
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: give a two for two eighty and I'll throw on

549
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: the reef for only ten and then he would read

550
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 1: me out and like scream at me in front of

551
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 1: in front of the people, and then they would feel

552
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: so bad. Then they buy the tree. Then they like

553
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 1: give me twenty. Guy like I'm like, I'm like twenty four.

554
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: I'm just like this. One of my first jobs in

555
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: New York. I'm like crying, just like it's like twenty

556
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: two Grease you using the like like their sympathy, Yes,

557
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: using the sympathy, and it's like these soho people just

558
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: being like this is so fucking awkward, Like all I

559
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: want is a Christmas tree and now I'm like wrapped

560
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: in this like insane emotional saga. And yet it worked.

561
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: It worked anyway. I feel like I just to bring Eva.

562
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: I had a sort of like comparison that I wanted

563
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: to make to the Bourdain book. Um, And the way

564
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 1: that Bourdain sort of talks about the restaurant industry is

565
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 1: that I do think, you know, as much as David

566
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: Chang tries to acknowledge his rage of hoolism and like

567
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 1: say that he's like can be an asshole or whatever, what,

568
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: I don't you know, I do not think that he

569
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: really like elevates the people in his book who are

570
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: the dishwashers and are the line cooks and are the

571
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: like the service and like everyone else in the restaur industry.

572
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: He is very much like taking with like you know,

573
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: chef culture, and I think like and like with like

574
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 1: big male like badass chef culture and Bourdane like is

575
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: as well. But Bourdane's book it's all about the like

576
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 1: the people of the kitchen, and he's always just been

577
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: like yeah, man, like me and the fucking Ecuadorians and

578
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: the Porto Ricans. So we get together and we like

579
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 1: slap each other's ass, we go out for drinks afterwards,

580
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: and like we fuck each other's wives, and like there's

581
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: like there's this like celebration of the kind of like

582
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: all of those people. Well, I will say, I think

583
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 1: why that's true. It is because like why I think

584
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: Bourdane is also such an amazing like writer and became

585
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: this figure. It's because like Bourdane was like never actually

586
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 1: an amazing chef. Yeah, he like Bourdain and Cheng says

587
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: this like is heartline cook cook, and that's why he

588
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: is like he never worked. He never worked. It's like

589
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: he worked at Le Hall, which is just like a

590
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: five die his main thing. It's just like this five

591
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 1: die French restaurant that was like so steak freats for

592
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: business guys at ten pm, fire it up and send

593
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: it out. That's and it's and you know worked in

594
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: all these ptown whatever and it's like he became famous

595
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: because of Kitchen confindential because he was like, this is

596
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: the heart of the restaurant. And I think that's just

597
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 1: like why he is wise. And it's like Chang is

598
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: a visionary, but like he only cares about He cares

599
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: about the James Beoderwards, he cares about the Michelin stars.

600
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 1: He cares. He is an elitist who like is obsessed

601
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: with this world. Well he does. I mean he does

602
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: love his team. He loves his team at the award show.

603
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: He loves his team at certain moments when he says,

604
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: I took my whole team out for drinks. But he

605
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: obviously doesn't love his team every day, or you would

606
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: hear more about the team. You don't hear about a

607
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: single fucking like culture dishwasher, and you hear about the

608
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: Christina Tosi. You hear about like the famous pastry chefs

609
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: and like other people who everyone he only cares about

610
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: other chef rock stars. Yes, he cares about people who've

611
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: like like everyone who ends up runs the restaurant and

612
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: he but he does love the narrative of just like

613
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: she showed up. It's like him, she showed up business

614
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,719
Speaker 1: intern he caress and now she's the CEO. But right

615
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: he's never just like very Mark Cuban like he's very

616
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: just like every time on Shark Tank. Then someone says,

617
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: I sold every last like like Chochki that I had

618
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: to make three hundred dollars to start my business and

619
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: we invested every penny right back into the Mark human

620
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: is just like you are the American dreamed. It's like

621
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 1: fas David Changing, where he's just like he likes people

622
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: who like fucking work so hard before I am right.

623
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 1: It's like his whole thing is that if someone when

624
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: someone comes in, like one person like asked, like when

625
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 1: did we get off or something like that, and he

626
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: like dreams them out and nuts. And this is also

627
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: when he thinks this is past his point when he

628
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: thinks he's like overcome, because he goes through this crazy

629
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: executive training and he thinks he's overcome the rage and

630
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: then it comes back and he's always like at the

631
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: end of it, he was like and I I was

632
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: not proud of it. Um, you know, I was not

633
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: happy about that. And it's like maybe somebody needs to

634
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: yell at you. And he like is so proud of

635
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: himself because the sort of liberal addendum to the book

636
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 1: where he's like, and George Floyd was murdered and so

637
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: I've published this book four months after that, and you're like,

638
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: and he's just like, and I've realized that there's a

639
00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: lot going on in the world and there's a lot

640
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: of work to you, and I want to be a

641
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: part of that chance. And in this many going to

642
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: the state dinner at the Obama and how Jill Biden

643
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: wait wait, wait wait I did that was the most

644
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: like RBG Pills insane thing where he gets sat next

645
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 1: to rub and he's like, I don't know like what

646
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: to call like um just so I was like, he

647
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: was Justice Skinsburg, Justice Skinsburg and he goes and then

648
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: footnote none other than Jill. Doctor Jill Biden said, it's

649
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: madam Justice to you, and it's like can the mom's

650
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: actually they'll like calm down before the second energy where

651
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, So doctor Jill Biden for the past

652
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 1: fourteen years has just been correcting people about like about

653
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: middle aged women's titles, which is I feel like that's

654
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: I don't know if Jill Biden is a turf, but

655
00:33:55,840 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: like it is, so, I mean she has banks, yeah,

656
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: she has that, she has the turf bangs, and it's

657
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: so like Jill Biden would like miss gender someone but

658
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:10,760
Speaker 1: would actually just be like it's madam, So I lulled

659
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: that it ultimately me think, have you ever seen the

660
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: episode of No Reservations where no Reservation, No Reservation where Bourdine.

661
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 1: Here's the thing about Bourdaine. That episode, to me is

662
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: everything I hate about the moment we live in. Like

663
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: that is Bourdine. I think it is an amazing guy.

664
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,800
Speaker 1: And yet to me, he became what I hate about

665
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: being I will say it, and I've said it before,

666
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 1: the pandemic of earnestness in our society, the true pandemic,

667
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: which is just like lionizing. These just like cool dads

668
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: in Zegna jackets, just like sorry Zena having fucking street

669
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: food because right, they're not afraid to calm down with

670
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 1: real fucking people. Man. It's actually actually this book is

671
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: the a little bit why it's so opposite from word

672
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: it is because like invited to those chefferences, he's like

673
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: not having sex, Oh, there's zero sex, and well he

674
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 1: mentions dating girls and not working out, and then he

675
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 1: meets his wife and they're like married. Well, and then

676
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,479
Speaker 1: he you know what I realized. I mean they got

677
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 1: like the Christianity. I think that he's maybe just more

678
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: prude and won't talk about it. Oh yeah, No, no no,

679
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: I think there was sex. And I'm not saying I

680
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 1: don't think he's a virgin until he meets his wife.

681
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, that's not what I'm saying at all.

682
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying I think even by his time

683
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 1: in the Momo Fuku landscape, I think he was like

684
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: fucking girls. But like I but I really think he

685
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 1: was much more like cooking till two, going out, getting wasted,

686
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: and like going home and passing out, ordering a pizza.

687
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: Like I really, yes, he was like getting a relationships

688
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: and then I think he was like screwing them up,

689
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 1: but it was less like you know, I gotta below

690
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: the job in the walk in from the waitress. Yeah no,

691
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: there's no blow jobs in the walking whereas the board

692
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: Dame book is like every other second, he's just like

693
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: and the fucking bride is there on her wedding night

694
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 1: and I see my sue chef railing her behind the

695
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 1: low boy like it's like okay, oh wait, this is

696
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 1: what's so insane. And again like back to his ego.

697
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: When he talks about courting his wife Grace um Is,

698
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 1: he's like, we met at a barbecue, and I whatever,

699
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: like we had our courtship. He's like, We're hanging in

700
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: my apartment. He's like, and then like my other chef

701
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: friend comes over, and she comes over with our other

702
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 1: mutual friend who's actually like a really famous board star,

703
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 1: and so he's like, yeah, so they came over and

704
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,720
Speaker 1: just like she didn't. We just like started like riffing,

705
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 1: and she didn't like blink a nine and she like

706
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: totally liked my friends, and then and then we watched

707
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: bo Jack and like where is it? I was like you,

708
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: I was like crazy. I was like I threw the book.

709
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:56,280
Speaker 1: I was like, oh straight, people actually stop for two

710
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: seconds play threw up in my mouth. I was just like,

711
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, you were impressed by a chick because she

712
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 1: could hang what's the fucking hang with that ass friend

713
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: and like this fucking porn star and then watch BoJack Horsemen,

714
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: Like what fucking chick can do that? It was like

715
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 1: this is this like something about mary a disease where

716
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: it's like you don't actually like a guy just thinks

717
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,399
Speaker 1: like a girl's guy. But it's like the I guess

718
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty version of Something about Marry where it's

719
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: like you think that a that a fucking guy's girl

720
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 1: is like someone who can watch BoJack Horsemen, Right, It's

721
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 1: like not about her watching football. It's not this like

722
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,439
Speaker 1: eighties girl who's like, we'll watch football. It's like she's

723
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: watching Bowjack, which my just quickly my Spanish teacher, who

724
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: was like a white guy Spanish teacher who like married

725
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: this Brazilian girl and he was like, so we went

726
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: for a fucking hike in the Grand Canyon and he

727
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: was like, the night before I was gonna propose, I

728
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 1: took her. This is so David chack to an Alman

729
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: Brothers concert and I needed to make sure that she

730
00:37:56,239 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 1: could fucking rock out at the Alman Brothers concert. This

731
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: is also him telling his students about his like weekend

732
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 1: getting engaged like we're all supposed to plaud it. And

733
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: then and then he fucking did propose on the Grand

734
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: Canyon day after after she loved the Almond Brothers concert.

735
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 1: Can I say what this is though? This is straight

736
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 1: people like don't know each other. No, well, yeah, that

737
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 1: defines that's why straight people like marriages last for long.

738
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 1: They last forever because they're like like literally a straight

739
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 1: straight girl, like they don't know anything about each other.

740
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: They just need one thing, they need for one common interest,

741
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: and they're like, cool, we both like this one, we

742
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: both like Bonnie Vair. We're gonna date for thirty five years.

743
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 1: It's like, what, like there's nothing in comment, they like

744
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,720
Speaker 1: do not speak the same language. It's like that's almost

745
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: probably why, like straight people stay together long girl gave

746
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: people because like fucking talk about everything in process. Everything

747
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:54,879
Speaker 1: we need to let as you know, lesbians stay together forever. Yeah,

748
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: you've never been in a relationship shorter than eleven years.

749
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,399
Speaker 1: I want to talk about niche for a second, yes,

750
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: which I've never been, Okay, and it's now closed, so

751
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: you'll never go and I'll never go, and you know,

752
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: as we know, I'm telling you right and reading it,

753
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 1: of course, I was like I feel like that was

754
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 1: the thing. I was just I was so mad that

755
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: I've never been, and and the whole books talks about

756
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 1: how he got the worst reviews for it. Yeah, because

757
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 1: it was at the end of his career and people

758
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: were so much harsher on him, namely Pete Wells. I

759
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: think it was people were harsher, but be with good

760
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,479
Speaker 1: reason because it was it pushed the sort of momo

761
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: fugu brand too far. So the Momo Fugu brand is

762
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 1: like we're stripping down a lot of the Western conventions

763
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 1: of hospitality that you're familiar with, because like he wants

764
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 1: to evoke some of that like feeding really good, well

765
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 1: not I think more just like the more bare bones,

766
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 1: like you're getting the food. You're getting the food, and

767
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 1: it's about the food. It's not about just like it's

768
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 1: still working. It's not about are we still working. It's

769
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: also like he's kind of anti psam, like he referenced

770
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: the mom where he's like, I don't know what fusa

771
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: well fame. I remember years ago reading some David Chang

772
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 1: interview and he was just like, I like Miller our life.

773
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: I want piss beer, which I love. It's like, you know,

774
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: it's like some and especially I think with some like

775
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: sorts of spicy food. The best thing is like a

776
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: Miller High Life, Sure Medelo, you know. Anyway, So Nishe

777
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: was his restaurant he opened in twenty sixteen and Chelsea

778
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 1: and the concept was at first he wanted to open

779
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,879
Speaker 1: a fuku and then in very which is the fried

780
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: chicken chain, and then in very momofuku fashion, they're like

781
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: we they're like constantly reiterating and changing. He was like,

782
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 1: actually needs to be something totally different, and so he

783
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 1: was like, let's do this kind of like Italian but

784
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 1: like with Asian ingredients, and like, let's think about what

785
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 1: it would be like if like a Korean family was

786
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 1: like dropped off and turin and like had to use

787
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: the ingredients there. I'm like, what would they make or

788
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: like vice versa. Well, it was also about I think

789
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: this chip on his shoulder about challenging the Italian food

790
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 1: prices verse Asian ride prices, which we did touch on earlier.

791
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: But well, okay, there is a moment in an episode

792
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: of Ugly Delicious I watched where he's at the dumpling

793
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 1: plays with Ali Wong, the comedian, and he's just like,

794
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: you know, you would pay like twenty dollars for six

795
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 1: ravulis should never pay twenty dollars for six dumplings, and

796
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,879
Speaker 1: he goes, doesn't it make you mad? And then Ali

797
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 1: Wang just goes, I don't know that that doesn't make

798
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: me mad. She's like, I don't want to pay twenty

799
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: dollars like stump playing, and she was liked of Italian

800
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: people like want to like overpay for ravolis, Like that's

801
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: kind of their issue, that's their problem, and like I

802
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 1: don't need to like blow up the spot and like

803
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 1: have every dumpling costs twenty dollars. That's not really my

804
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: end game here. I also do love just to bring

805
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: it back for his second too, when he first opened

806
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: noodle bar and he thought that he had to do

807
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: dumplings and then but he didn't have time for it

808
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 1: and he just scrapped it. And I thought that was

809
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: just like cool that he was like, I'm actually don't

810
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 1: need to like do this like labor intensive dumpling service.

811
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: Let's just scrap the dump, which I just thought from

812
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: a business as a business person, from a business standpoint,

813
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 1: from a person a business experience, I'm super business experience.

814
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:09,839
Speaker 1: I was like, that's super cool because it's like it

815
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: is I feel like it is so white person like

816
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 1: coming to an Asian restaurant and they're like looking at

817
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: the menu in their life where the dumplings are like

818
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 1: it was, I'm kind of like into eating all the

819
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: dumpler and I think that this is a real strength

820
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 1: of David Chang, and what he did to food is like,

821
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 1: you know, kind of changing expectations of dinners. Because when

822
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: you go into a French restaurant, when you go into

823
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 1: a Japanese restaurant, when you go into a Chinese restaurant,

824
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 1: you have an expectation of a certain what's going to

825
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 1: do and what's gonna be Why do you want to eat?

826
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: And I think he sort of changed people's expectations and

827
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: open their minds to being like I don't necessarily have

828
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 1: like a rubric for what I think this restaurant's going

829
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 1: to give me, and I'm open to it, and like

830
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 1: the flavors can be louder and like, or they could

831
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 1: be more delicate, and I won't necessarily like be upset

832
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 1: at like what I'm getting. Anyway, Nishi was like offered

833
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,879
Speaker 1: up as this like momo fuku, so like stripped down,

834
00:42:55,880 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 1: bare bones, but also like and we're twenty eight, we're

835
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: talking twenty eight to thirty six at this point, maybe

836
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 1: thirty six. Press my am, we're making everything like you know,

837
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 1: instead of parmesan, we're using like, oh my god, I

838
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: really wanted to So he talks about this chick pea.

839
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: So he talks about, you know, a famous Romans Cautio

840
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 1: pepe right, you know, and it's basically just as you

841
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: talk in Ma bring up your pros, your grab Street.

842
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,879
Speaker 1: It's you know, I don't that country. It's like it's

843
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 1: just like butter parmesan Ganda, and I can't, I literally

844
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 1: can't even understand what you're saying because you're speaking in

845
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: like such insane Chica voice. Okay, basically whatever Cattio pepe

846
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: same aus pasta dishes just like cheese, butter pepper, and

847
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: he takes the chick pea and ferments it, so it

848
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: basically becomes like cheese to use in this pasta, which

849
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:52,240
Speaker 1: I was which I was kind of like, okay, pandemic

850
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: um winter goals. I like wanted ferment very molecular astronomy.

851
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 1: And he looks up to the guy from Elbouli, which

852
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: is like famous for its melecular astronomy, Like we haven't

853
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: even talked about the noma. We need to talk about

854
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: noma because he also fucking drags well well point. I

855
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 1: went to Nishee in one of the first two weeks

856
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: that had opened. Here is Steven's point, he's been to

857
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 1: a lot of expensive right. My brother and his girlfriend

858
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: at the time, because at the time it was walk

859
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 1: up only and we just happened to get a table

860
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:26,839
Speaker 1: and it was insanely packed. The tables were like the

861
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 1: thinnest like dowels you've ever seen. The seats were like

862
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: these backless, tiny wooden cubes that literally Kate Moss would

863
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: not have fit on. Like. It was the most uncomfortable.

864
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 1: So it's in the book. So all the reviews that

865
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 1: said it was a very uncomfortable experience were dead right,

866
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 1: because it was very uncomfortable to say. It was incredibly loud.

867
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: There was no fabric. And let me tell you something,

868
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: if you're opening a restaurant, okay, and it was quite

869
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 1: to be popular, you need fabric to absorb sound or

870
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 1: people won't be able to hear each other talk. You

871
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: need a carpet or a carpet in the wall, or

872
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,919
Speaker 1: a banquet or something. You can't just have wooden tables,

873
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 1: wooden chairs tie four like unlike unfabric walls, because ever

874
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: the sound's gonna bounce off, it's gonna be insane. I

875
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 1: could not hear people talk. It was so crowded. It

876
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 1: took three hours to get the dish. And the thing is,

877
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:14,439
Speaker 1: so the dish was like elevated, like expensive sexy food.

878
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:18,399
Speaker 1: It was very cool. Yeah, like but it was like

879
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: this isn't the experience felt very oppressive and like not

880
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 1: worth it. It wasn't like this is kind of from

881
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 1: timing you. You don't mind a loud right, I love

882
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: a loud restaurant. But because I was saying reading all

883
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 1: these I like to hear you say that, to hear

884
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: you say the seats were uncomfortable, because I think when

885
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:36,839
Speaker 1: people who live in New York who were like, oh

886
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,240
Speaker 1: my god, my parents were coming to town, like they're

887
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 1: like they always want to be like I'm cool and

888
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,879
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take you to this cool restaurant, and it's

889
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: like what happens time and time and again I think

890
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:51,439
Speaker 1: is like these dads sit down and they're like this

891
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: is not a seat, but well, moms in their backs,

892
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 1: you know, dad's in their butts. It's basically. And so

893
00:45:57,719 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: when I read that, I was like, so, how uncomfortable

894
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: you know, were these chairs? And the food sounded like

895
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 1: crazy delicious. It was really quick for even you to

896
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: be like no, seriously, like the seats were like this

897
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 1: is I think this is where China miss is the

898
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 1: mark because I think that, like you know, there is

899
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 1: an expectation of like a certain amount of refinement of

900
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: the food to have it needs a little bit more

901
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 1: space to like by the way, So he gets horrible

902
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:25,280
Speaker 1: reviews for Nishie and he almost commits suicide over the reviews,

903
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 1: which is that traumatic? I mean, I know he has issues,

904
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 1: but the mental health I think, I know, I truly

905
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 1: think he probably like did in this like epic chef

906
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 1: way where it's like they're always on the brink. Yeah.

907
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,439
Speaker 1: What I do remember from Nische what did you get

908
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,280
Speaker 1: like a pasta? It was like some tiny little pasta

909
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 1: with like edible flowers on it. But what I remember

910
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 1: about the plates, and this is what I want to say.

911
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 1: It was the first time that I had seen like

912
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 1: a heavy ceramic plate with a very small lip, a

913
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 1: heavy ceramic circular plate with a small lip. And that

914
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,280
Speaker 1: was the start of that plating trend. And like now

915
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: that is literally the Dimes plate, like it is like

916
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 1: the common plate of like of like a kind of

917
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: pretentious like an uncomfortable wooden backless seat restaurant. Is the

918
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: heavy ceramic plate with the small lip, and then it

919
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 1: got to me. It got to me thinking, got to

920
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: me thinking about plate evolution. Right, oh, that's actually super fun. Okay,

921
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: so here's here's how I see it. So the nineties

922
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: to me was like really really big plate, very small

923
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 1: actual serving area in the center of the plate, and

924
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 1: an expensive restaurant. And like the more plate that didn't

925
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: have food, the more you were like, oh, this is

926
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 1: an expensive restaurant. This is I'm paying for plate. It's

927
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 1: what I'm paying for, which I want to I want

928
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 1: to talk about this foraged restaurant I went to two

929
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 1: years ago with my girlfriend's family. Okay, restaurant was that

930
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,280
Speaker 1: so large plate? Tiny portion? Yeah, and it was huge.

931
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 1: It was it was only foraged. Everything was foraged in

932
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: the restaurant. And we got this the most ridiculous dish

933
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: I've probably ever gotten my entire life. So they come

934
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: over and they're like, you know, it's it's like a

935
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 1: Papper Deli with mushrooms or whatever. And the you know,

936
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 1: it's a husband and wife team. Wife is the chef, husband,

937
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 1: Fedora was the surfer. And he tells us that the

938
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 1: eggs that have made the pasta are from nomadic chickens,

939
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 1: and they took basically the chickens on a road trip

940
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: so that the chickens would get different um, they would

941
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: eat in different places, you know, New Hampshire, Vermont, Maine,

942
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: and it's like okay, so the New Hampshire it's actually

943
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,919
Speaker 1: grassier and it's just like okay, So now like you're

944
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 1: making these chickens so fucking nauseous. You've burned how much fuel?

945
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: Can we talk about that climate ship? It's in the girl.

946
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 1: Where are we going? Can I lay my eggs and

947
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,280
Speaker 1: get it overwet? So these chickens have going to fucking

948
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: four states, eating different grains across like the Try State.

949
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:15,240
Speaker 1: And we end up and it was with this gorgeous

950
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 1: pasta that was absolutely gorgeous, but the plate was massive

951
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 1: and then little indent with the pasta in it. So

952
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 1: we're just getting so much surface Yeah little indent, you're

953
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: paying for surface area. Yeah, and then this pasta and

954
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 1: I mean it's pasta and it's just like the amount

955
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: that the chickens ate from five different states. Could you

956
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 1: taste it? Could you taste the Vermont dirt? I truly

957
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 1: could not taste the Vermont dirt? And now I'm not

958
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 1: a dirt psalm. No you're not, and you need to

959
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: work in your palette. I will say, Nordic cuisine is.

960
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 1: I just feel like those people they wanted to be Nordic,

961
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 1: they wanted to be pebble. Yeah. The pebble ry is

962
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 1: out of control, and sometimes you have to make up

963
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 1: your foraging system. So they were like, fuck, let's drive

964
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 1: chickens around for a week. Well, right, because it's like

965
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 1: at no more whatever. They're like, okay, like we found

966
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 1: some random farmer who like feeds his chicken like only

967
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 1: this like onever type of wheat grass and like blah

968
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 1: blah blah, and it's like we're just kind of pulling

969
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 1: shit out of her ass at this point the tri State,

970
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: We're just like, no, actually, I took the chicken to Montreal.

971
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: Oh really it's like Montreal based grain. Um. I went,

972
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 1: and then they told us at this restaurant, I'm so

973
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: crazy because we were like, oh, like, do you know

974
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 1: do you guys like forage in New York? And then

975
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 1: they got look so crazy and offended, and we're just like,

976
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:31,359
Speaker 1: you would never forage in New York because right because

977
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 1: the chemicals and so now you're this like fucking outsourced forager.

978
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: Oh and now he thinks you're like a Dow chemical lobbyist, right,

979
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 1: But then they gave us a honey comb for dessert

980
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 1: that was for ust in New York. That was Force

981
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: from a block away. So I'm just like es sebbe

982
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: is how different? Calling and collapse? Thank you? Segment menu?

983
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 1: There we go, There we go. So the segment menu

984
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 1: is prefixed and there's a what is she where? What

985
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 1: does she eat? And how does she live? And it'll

986
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 1: be thirty five and if you want an additional wine tasting,

987
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 1: that's an additional thirty seven. Sorry, I actually misspoke, it's

988
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 1: two thirty five, and then add truffles it's seventy additional seventy,

989
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 1: so it's two ninety five. Okay, So let's do how

990
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 1: does he live? So? How does he live? So I watch?

991
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I want whatever. In the first episode, it

992
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 1: is kind of cool. It's very big drawer wood panels

993
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 1: like walnut. Yeah, it's walnut light light, walnut half open.

994
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 1: I would say, like there's an island, but it's not.

995
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 1: You know, half of it is closed. It's like you

996
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 1: can walk up to the island, but it's not like

997
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: massive open kitchen, but then the living room is just

998
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 1: kind of like so big sectional it's like comfort. Well, no,

999
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 1: it's funny. Is that? So during his whole like you know,

1000
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: opening Mamufuku era, when he's on his chef like nasty,

1001
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: it's nasty, it's it's very mattress on the floor, it's

1002
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 1: very the sime like but like that girl's on Twitter

1003
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,399
Speaker 1: pretend that they don't like but they're actually up sat

1004
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 1: swift of just like on the floor and like our

1005
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:07,800
Speaker 1: alcoholic boys. Right, he talks about like yeah, he fully

1006
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 1: like unplugged the fridge and it was just like nasty

1007
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 1: and nothings on the walls and it's pizza boxes. Think

1008
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 1: now that he's married, I feel like he has this

1009
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 1: rug that I saw. There was a New York Times

1010
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: article about that's called the rug. That's like them, that's

1011
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: like them. You think that his wife owns the jacket, Oh,

1012
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:28,800
Speaker 1: his wife owns the jacket. The jacket is this jacket

1013
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: I got from my sister for Christmas. But it's the

1014
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 1: jacket that like every I saw a Tech talk about

1015
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 1: Rebecca wives and literally this girl was like, you need

1016
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 1: the jacket and it's this like loose kind of like

1017
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: foxy foxy, flappy, pockety like down like puffy jacket. Well,

1018
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:49,800
Speaker 1: and my sister says she gets like nods from people

1019
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 1: who have the jacket when she sees her other jackets

1020
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 1: literally give each other jackets sisterhood of being like wink

1021
00:52:57,600 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: of the jacket. But she also is just like, yeah,

1022
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 1: like it's the most Alice and Roman culture things like

1023
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 1: the jacket, the apartment. I think the rug article it

1024
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,320
Speaker 1: was like before there was the jacket, there was the

1025
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:11,799
Speaker 1: rug anyway, So I feel like his house it's like

1026
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 1: the rug. I mean, that's what I mean. I think

1027
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 1: that they're very just kind of like bland neutrals wave

1028
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 1: well it's band I would say, like when yes, when

1029
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 1: I've like cleaned, I feel like they live in like

1030
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 1: randomly like a flat iron seventh, a sixth, a seventeenth place. Yeah,

1031
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 1: And unless he still lives in the East Village, and

1032
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 1: it's I've seen the homes there. It's very just like

1033
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 1: they're so close to bed bath and beyond the home

1034
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 1: takes on where it's like the organization is so so

1035
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 1: it's it's bins, it's method spray, it's you know, it's

1036
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 1: not as nice as it should be. No, because also

1037
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 1: it's chef life. It's like they're so busy it's comfortable,

1038
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 1: you know. So, um, what does he wear? Okay, so

1039
00:53:56,600 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 1: where we know he wears like he's working, like gets

1040
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 1: like it's kind of ever lane. I want to say, well,

1041
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 1: here's my thing. I think the thing about Dave is

1042
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 1: that he's a big boy who like, yeah, I don't

1043
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 1: think he totally like I think he's like the classic

1044
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 1: candidate for like what not to wear or like beause

1045
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:19,640
Speaker 1: not really wear something that fits your look. You don't

1046
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 1: need to wear these huge chefs. Well, like I think

1047
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 1: he wears like type stuff that doesn't fed up. I

1048
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 1: mean across the board. I could just like wear if

1049
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 1: he did like big man like indie style, just like

1050
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 1: car Hearts and the jacket, like he would looks so much. Man.

1051
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:37,120
Speaker 1: I know if he was like actually Carhart jacket done?

1052
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 1: What does he eat? I mean, I mean it's we

1053
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 1: gotta govern that. Like Heat doesn't really love food drugs

1054
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 1: well okay, but in some way I think I do

1055
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 1: think he sort of paved the way for food drug

1056
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 1: culture in a way because it's like it's all about

1057
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:56,879
Speaker 1: just like elevated stuff. Says it's what the chefs when

1058
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 1: they get. But you know he doesn't even really talk

1059
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 1: about is where he opened up his La restaurant is

1060
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 1: where Ron Chroy had a restaurant who he actually didn't

1061
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 1: invent food trucks. Run Choy is who the movie Chef

1062
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 1: is based off of. He invented the like Korean fusion

1063
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 1: right food truck. Basically, he's kind of like so and

1064
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 1: I feel like David Chang is very jealous. It's a

1065
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 1: little bit jealous in that way, and he kind of

1066
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 1: just references run Choy like once yeah, but doesn't really

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00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 1: go into it. So as he tried to invent the

1068
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 1: Korean Chipotle and failed, Yeah, that was what sombar wis

1069
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:34,720
Speaker 1: were supposed to be, and then but it turned into

1070
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 1: a wonderful songbar yea. But I think it, well, it's

1071
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,879
Speaker 1: funny because watching him in this Ugly Delicious at home,

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00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:42,359
Speaker 1: he actually still was being so chef and was being

1073
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 1: so like, oh, there's like nothing in the fridge and

1074
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 1: I'm making this like nasty dish from my wife that

1075
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 1: she craves for some reason, and it was like soy

1076
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 1: being paste and rice. But he is a little bit

1077
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 1: like you know, I know he's canceled b Btali snacks

1078
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 1: where it's just like, okay, it's snack time. Like let

1079
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 1: me get a couple of cucoverers of oil, so like

1080
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: some chili pepper, some dashy some for a cocky band.

1081
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:06,319
Speaker 1: It's just like pouring spices and it is delicious and

1082
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 1: it is cucumber, but like it actually tastes really good

1083
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 1: and like it's delicious like a king. The funniest things

1084
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 1: that he said that I feel like it is so true,

1085
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:16,839
Speaker 1: and I think like called me out when I think

1086
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 1: I'm trying to be such a chaff at home. He

1087
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 1: was like, if I see one more fucking radish as

1088
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 1: a garnish on a menu, I will lose my mind.

1089
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:26,839
Speaker 1: And it's like that is so like me at home

1090
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 1: if I'm like trying to like spark up a dinner

1091
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 1: being like what if I like put radishes on this?

1092
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 1: I mean they do collar folders call the bright white

1093
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: the bright red. I think that's obviously totally fine for

1094
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 1: a home home home cook like myself. But I'm sure

1095
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 1: it's like he was just seeing that played out and

1096
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 1: played out and played out. Okay, wait, who are you

1097
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 1: in the book this is it was kind of great.

1098
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 1: I was like usually in the books we read, I

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00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 1: think of it throughout. I was actually terrified that I

1100
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 1: was David changing. But I but the thing is, I

1101
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 1: was because I know that I can be a little

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00:56:55,960 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 1: bit um intent sometimes about like final creative. I don't

1103
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 1: create a process. And but I was like, but I'm

1104
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 1: not abusive it enson, and I don't use my menacing

1105
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 1: physical stature to terrorize my subordin now, No, I don't

1106
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 1: have subbortt did there's a little bit sure like your

1107
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 1: your sharp tongue. It comes down such a different way,

1108
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 1: which is a harder I think David Chang has this

1109
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 1: full baby tantrum when he freaks out and you're a

1110
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 1: little more we'll just like say something like super sharp

1111
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 1: and cutting, yes exactly, and then maybe like why the

1112
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 1: fuck isn't it like this how I want it? So sure?

1113
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:40,439
Speaker 1: Maybe you're ten percent cheng okay do I I think

1114
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: you're maybe kind of the gruff bar ten dress at

1115
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 1: that midtown bar that he goes to. David Chang is

1116
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 1: just like, um, could we have a seat by the window,

1117
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 1: because like, my famous friend gets talked to a lot

1118
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 1: and she's like, oh honey, he's sitting at the bar already.

1119
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 1: I also kind of think like maybe I'm toasty, like

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00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 1: maybe I am the milk bar, like and now you're

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00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 1: launching this pastry empire. I don't know, You're so not

1122
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: like sweet tooth pastry girl. No, I was more interesting.

1123
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:11,479
Speaker 1: I feel like she's a little more like calm, cool

1124
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 1: and collected to David Chang's like, okay, Mania, I don't

1125
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 1: think I'm a pastry girl because I'm not like actually no,

1126
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 1: I'm like I'm so savory, like yes, I'll have this podcast. Yeah,

1127
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 1: like yes, whatever they're like compost like crop cookies or

1128
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 1: whatever that they serve, Like I am like yum, but

1129
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 1: it's like I will so much rather have like another

1130
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 1: serving of bosam before I have a cookie. Yeah. Absolutely,

1131
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 1: So Yeah, I think I'm the bartendress. Oh wait, can

1132
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 1: I just say something that I completely forgot to mention?

1133
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 1: So the restaurant he opens in Sydney, the acculate that

1134
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 1: it wins from the Sydney Morning Herald two hats stop

1135
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 1: two has two hits. It got two hits. It's it's

1136
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 1: the hoiest, it's the most restaurant came time I kind

1137
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:00,919
Speaker 1: of think, like Hue on the book, like we're kind

1138
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 1: of just like two people standing in line like every

1139
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 1: thirty or were the two people who come in at

1140
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 1: ten thirty pm for that last meal? And he's like,

1141
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 1: you do not discriminate against those gas because you don't know,

1142
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 1: you don't know where the through why they want to

1143
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 1: come in here for grub at ten thirty and they

1144
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 1: deserve a good meal. Like everyone's so funny. He's like,

1145
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 1: fuck someone who like talks shit about the plate, but

1146
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 1: he has such a respect because I think this is

1147
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 1: the ethos of momofuku. Is the late night eater. Yes

1148
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 1: we just got off work batch and it's just like yeah,

1149
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 1: we just kind of work and we just like we

1150
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:47,240
Speaker 1: want to wears on cocktails and run. Well, listen. I

1151
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 1: think that Dave Chang is a revolution He's a revolutionaries controversion.

1152
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 1: He's actually really not a controversionally not a CONTROVERSI I

1153
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 1: guess he's a revolutionary. People people in the food industry

1154
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 1: like if you mentioned him, they will be like, oh

1155
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 1: damn time, Well it's hot head. So he is, you know, yeah,

1156
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 1: he is. I think um through this book, I feel

1157
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 1: like at first I was like, I love it. In

1158
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:11,440
Speaker 1: the middle, I was kind of like, By the end,

1159
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 1: I was like, rah, I'm wrath. I got way more

1160
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 1: into it by the ass because I was like, Okay,

1161
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 1: you are like talking about stuff that I want to

1162
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 1: hear about your your I want to compare it a

1163
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 1: little bit to an Apatow movie. What movie? All Apatow

1164
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 1: movies that are two and a half hours, literally three

1165
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 1: and a half hours. This book isn't even that long,

1166
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 1: but you're into the beginning feels long, That's what I'm saying.

1167
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 1: It feels long, and you're kind of into it, but

1168
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:38,439
Speaker 1: there are slow points and you're like, can we wrap

1169
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 1: this up a little bit. By the end, you're like, sure,

1170
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 1: I liked it. Yeah, It's just it's very very about

1171
01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 1: his own demons stuff. So I think, I mean, I

1172
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 1: think if you're into food, you're into Chang, I would say,

1173
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 1: read it. I would say if you're not, like, what's

1174
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 1: interesting is like, there's not a ton of like food.

1175
01:00:55,200 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 1: I was. I was, I was gonna say, like my talks,

1176
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 1: it was like, I might be more interested if we

1177
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 1: talk more about like, oh, how we can move this restaurant.

1178
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:08,440
Speaker 1: Whenever he was like oh, and then we tried this

1179
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 1: with like the Chipps, and we fermented this. I was like,

1180
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 1: I might be more interested and maybe he thinks he's

1181
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 1: like played that out so much in all of his

1182
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 1: articles for Lucky Peach and the and the Show, and

1183
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 1: this was clearly this was like his psychological journey. I

1184
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 1: do wish there was more actual food talk. Yeah, I mean,

1185
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 1: like you know, total food nerds. You know one food memoir,

1186
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 1: I would still say Kitchen Confidential, but if you want

1187
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:34,120
Speaker 1: a second, if you want to follow up, I think

1188
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 1: it makes a very interesting companion piece to Kitchen Confidential. Absolutely,

1189
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 1: and like a new generation of chefs, new generation and

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01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 1: different types of food. So also someone from who is

1191
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 1: more of a vision much more of an actual visionartal visionary,

1192
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 1: who changed food in a very different ways where I

1193
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 1: think or Dane changed food writing, he changed food well,

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01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 1: I think he also changed the way people perceived the

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01:01:56,040 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 1: food and the chef. Yes in the industry. Um, so

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01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:03,560
Speaker 1: I give it like I'm gonna say, I give it

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01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 1: three point five, Okay, yeah, I give it three and

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01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:11,680
Speaker 1: a half. Peaches as well. This was a super medium

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01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 1: quality book and I'm very excited to get into our

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01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 1: next memoir. Um, I'm truly so excited. It's by Jennifer

1201
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:21,440
Speaker 1: Lewis and the book is the mother of Black Hollywood.

1202
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 1: Jennifer Lewis, famous black actress. She's been in many She's

1203
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 1: been in like every mainstream black comedy sitcom movie by

1204
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:34,800
Speaker 1: movie Broadway. You probably most recently know her from playing

1205
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 1: Anthony Anderson's mother on Blackish hit sitcom Blackish ABC, ABC

1206
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Speaker 1: Wednesday City. Um, so we're gonna dig into her memoir

1207
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 1: and um, feel free to read along or don't. Also

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