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Speaker 1: Coming up on the Booth Review Logan too early to panic?

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Speaker 2: Maybe stay tuned to find out.

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Speaker 1: Oh way to stay nice and calm. How about both

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Speaker 1: sides of the ball here, Logan needing a little bit

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Speaker 1: of improvement? Will they find it?

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Speaker 2: I think some of them. We're going to talk about

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Speaker 1: All right, that's coming up next on the Booth Review.

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Speaker 1: Welcome into the post long Weekend Booth Review podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: Brad Wifstein with Logan Paulson. Were brought to you by

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Speaker 1: the Big Bear AI Command Center. Studio London is off

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Speaker 1: this week. He's got things to attend to. He'll be

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Speaker 1: back post the Raiders game. Logan, nice to see it.

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Speaker 2: Great to see you too, man.

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Speaker 1: How'd your weekend go? Good?

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Speaker 2: I mean my weekend was great. Yeah, that was awesome.

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Speaker 2: Got to hang with the family. That's a nice thing

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Speaker 2: about Thursday night games. Man, you get a little bit

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Speaker 2: of wiggle room. You know, you had some you hung

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Speaker 1: Right, Like, Yeah, I unplugged after Thursday. That was a

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Speaker 2: I still relax. Yeah, yeah, I mean Thursday was a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, rough for everybody. I mean, I think I want

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Speaker 1: But injuries are really a predominant storyline to me, specifically

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Speaker 1: Austin Eckler. Like, we haven't seen anything official yet. I

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Speaker 1: it's a big deal. I think losing Austin Eckler. We'll

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Speaker 2: I mean, of the injuries, I think that's probably the

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Speaker 1: So as it stands now, like Eckler gets five to

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Speaker 1: The point of the yards after catch number one and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's why you get paid the big bucks man,

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Speaker 1: shot out of a cannon as the season began here.

433
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think, you know, it reminds me a

434
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Speaker 2: lot of like the Thursday Night game last year with

435
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Speaker 2: the Philadelphia Eagles, Like where the speed of the front,

436
00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:22,919
Speaker 2: the dexterity of the front is so much higher than

437
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Speaker 2: anybody else you're going to see probably for the year.

438
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Speaker 2: And again we'll see how healthy they stay. But you know,

439
00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:29,640
Speaker 2: they have a lot of we talked about this too,

440
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Speaker 2: like a lot of first round talent along the offensive line.

441
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Speaker 2: They've listened a lot of first round picks. I think

442
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Speaker 2: it's like six or seven something like that in the front,

443
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Speaker 2: and then if you're.

444
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Speaker 1: Your top three picks. I mean, they are traditionally a

445
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Speaker 1: team that doesn't do a lot in free agency. This

446
00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:46,520
Speaker 1: Parsons trade is very actually unusual for them to do

447
00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:48,840
Speaker 1: something like that. They are a draft team. This is

448
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Speaker 1: why they're the youngest team in the NFL. The majority

449
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Speaker 1: of their players are homegrown for them.

450
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think you feel that. And again, they

451
00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:57,760
Speaker 2: were a good front last year and they needed something

452
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Speaker 2: kind of the best way I heard to explain, like

453
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Speaker 2: they had a lot of redship players, like very good players,

454
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Speaker 2: but they needed someone like a true blue chip dominant player.

455
00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:07,920
Speaker 2: And they go out and get the second best player,

456
00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:10,199
Speaker 2: second or third best player in football on the defensive

457
00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:12,239
Speaker 2: side of the football and Michael Parsons and you can

458
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Speaker 2: just feel how that just tipped everything over the edge.

459
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Speaker 2: You felt him on every single play. And it frees

460
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Speaker 2: up you know Watts, it feels a Vans, it frees

461
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Speaker 2: up you know Rashan Gary. It frees up Cooper as

462
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Speaker 2: a blitzer and a rusher, and you can play. You

463
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Speaker 2: can rush for you can drop eight. You can hear

464
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Speaker 2: drop seven and play Tampa too and play. That's the

465
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Speaker 2: other thing is just the way they played their man

466
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Speaker 2: coverage is something that you I think will very rarely

467
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Speaker 2: see the rest of the season. Is you get guys

468
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Speaker 2: who are standing corners, who are standing at eight yards

469
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Speaker 2: feet in concrete. I'm not moving my eyes around the quarterback.

470
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Speaker 2: I'm seeing through the receiver of the quarterback and just

471
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Speaker 2: knowing that the ball will not get over my head

472
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Speaker 2: because the pass rush is so good. So we try

473
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Speaker 2: to throw a free access hitch. Those guys can break

474
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Speaker 2: on that thing because there's no risk of a double move.

475
00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,320
Speaker 2: There's no risk of anything, because they know that that

476
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Speaker 2: front can create pressure. And people say, oh, well, you know,

477
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Speaker 2: as our offensive line not playing well, right, And I say, well,

478
00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,760
Speaker 2: like Pine Sue, who's arguably the best right tackle in football,

479
00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:10,440
Speaker 2: gave up three pressures to Michael Parsons on less dropbacks, right,

480
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Speaker 2: So like, in terms of pressure percentage, almost the same

481
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Speaker 2: as what Josh Connelly did, which is crazy to think about,

482
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Speaker 2: but that's the context you're getting here. That's how good

483
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Speaker 2: that front is. And again, they might get nicked up,

484
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Speaker 2: someone might figure him out. But in terms of the

485
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Speaker 2: feel of it standing on the sideline and in terms

486
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Speaker 2: of the feel of watching tape, like that is a

487
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Speaker 2: special group that you're not going to see for the

488
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Speaker 2: rest of the year. I had a friend asked me, like, oh,

489
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Speaker 2: is this the formula if someone figured out the Commanders. Yeah,

490
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Speaker 2: if you can invest seven first round picks in your

491
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Speaker 2: front and have like a really dynamic Yeah, like maybe

492
00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,240
Speaker 2: you got the answer there, but look around the league.

493
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Speaker 2: What other front is going to be close to this?

494
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Speaker 2: Even Philadelphia when you watch them yesterday against Kansas City,

495
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Speaker 2: you don't feel the same way that you do about

496
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Speaker 2: this front.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like they traded Kenny Clark. Kenny Clarks provo caliber player. Yeah,

498
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Speaker 1: I haven't seen a drop off with Wyatt. Yeah, gross

499
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Speaker 1: two games.

500
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Speaker 2: And again he might you know, he's a young player.

501
00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:58,359
Speaker 2: You never know how that goes. Like that's another one

502
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Speaker 2: where the experience of a season with Clark.

503
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Speaker 1: People don't know who he is. But he also is

504
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Speaker 1: a high draft pick. I think it was a two

505
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Speaker 1: or three. He's a high draft pick.

506
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Speaker 2: Think he was a twenty ninth pick.

507
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, Cooper high draft pick. Rashan Gary paid because

508
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Speaker 1: he's turned out to be a very.

509
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Speaker 2: Very teenth overall pick. Like yes, like there's draft capital

510
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Speaker 2: invested there. Maness is a top fifteen pick. Like they're

511
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Speaker 2: like go across the board, man Like kway Walker is

512
00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,440
Speaker 2: a first round pick. Right, he's a top twenty pick

513
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Speaker 2: in the NFL. Like there's they look a certain way.

514
00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:31,639
Speaker 2: They're long, they're fast, they're all combined freaks, right, they

515
00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:33,720
Speaker 2: all you know, So he would say, why wasn't Jane

516
00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,639
Speaker 2: able to run? I'll tell you, I can't think of

517
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Speaker 2: a team that has two linebackers that run some four

518
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Speaker 2: five forties, that are big and long and can track

519
00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:42,280
Speaker 2: people down like that. Yeah.

520
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Speaker 1: This was honestly one of the first times, you know,

521
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Speaker 1: when Jayden does his escape acts that he actually took

522
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Speaker 1: body contact. Secondarily couldn't get away from them. I mean,

523
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Speaker 1: this was this was one of the he had what

524
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Speaker 1: one or two rushes or scrambles that ended up being

525
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Speaker 1: the what we've grown accustomed to with him, where he

526
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Speaker 1: gets away, beats somebody to the edge and he turns

527
00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:04,400
Speaker 1: something out of nothing, and he goes out of bounds

528
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,880
Speaker 1: and he stays out of harm's way. How many times

529
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Speaker 1: in this game were the packers standing there waiting for

530
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Speaker 1: him and he couldn't outrun them after the escape? I also,

531
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Speaker 1: this is a minor thing, but I think the field

532
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:16,280
Speaker 1: played a little bit of a role. There was a

533
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Speaker 1: ton of people slipping, There was a lot it was

534
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Speaker 1: there was a lot of issues. There was clearly a

535
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Speaker 1: lot of issues with the field, and it obviously attributed

536
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Speaker 1: to Austin Eckler's situation as well, but like that's only

537
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Speaker 1: a small part of this. This was the real first

538
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Speaker 1: time that I saw a team that was ready for

539
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Speaker 1: this when he was escaping and he was incapable of

540
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Speaker 1: doing the things that we had grown accustomed to seeing

541
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Speaker 1: with him with his legs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the other thing too, like you know,

543
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Speaker 2: every quarterback Jaden though specifically you know, for the purposes

544
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Speaker 2: of this discussion last year, like quick pressures are fatal pressures,

545
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Speaker 2: and I felt like there was a lot of quick

546
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 2: quick pressures like White had a couple obviously, Parsons had

547
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,679
Speaker 2: a couple, Cooper had a couple where it's happening so

548
00:22:57,800 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 2: quickly in the backfield. And the other thing too is

549
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Speaker 2: I thought they had a really good rush plan where

550
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,480
Speaker 2: they're you know, they're kind of bulling on one edge,

551
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 2: they're coming high with Parsons, they're flushing them to his left.

552
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,920
Speaker 2: It looks like there's grass, they're looping a three technique out.

553
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,439
Speaker 2: They had a really good plan, yeah, to kind of

554
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 2: manage his pocket movements and keep him in the pocket.

555
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:16,680
Speaker 2: And so I think, like that's another thing. You got

556
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Speaker 2: to give credit to Green Bay for the personnel, but

557
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 2: Also the scheme I thought was really good, and people say, oh, like,

558
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 2: is this going to be a problem moving forward? It's like, well,

559
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Speaker 2: you look back at last year and you say, well,

560
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh gave a hard time. That's how they rush. They

561
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Speaker 2: have a very comprehensive brush brand because they see Lamar

562
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,239
Speaker 2: Jackson all the time, right, And you say, oh, what

563
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 2: about and then Philadelphia too? Right? And think about the

564
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 2: quality and the speed of those fronts, specifically at the

565
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 2: linebacker level. It's like a different speed than most teams have. Yeah,

566
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Speaker 2: in the NFL.

567
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Speaker 1: I think people though, and I'll ask you this because

568
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Speaker 1: week one, Dexter laur It's Brian Burns Caveon tabadea different

569
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Speaker 1: Abdol Carter in a debut who wasn't actually on the

570
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Speaker 1: field defensively it probably as much as he's going to

571
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,439
Speaker 1: be down the road. For sure made his impact on

572
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,680
Speaker 1: special teams. But you look at that group and you go, Okay,

573
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Speaker 1: they rushed for two hundred and something yards. They had

574
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Speaker 1: four hundred something yards on them. That's a group that

575
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 1: I look at, at least personnel wise, and go, that's

576
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:07,879
Speaker 1: as good on paper as you're going to get. And

577
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 1: then they go against a different team, and yeah, that's

578
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 1: a really, really, really good group that maybe doesn't have

579
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Speaker 1: the namesake outside of Parsons that some of these others do.

580
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 1: They couldn't move the ball in this tear.

581
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Speaker 2: So I'll tell you this, Like one of the things

582
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Speaker 2: that stuck out to me when I was watching film

583
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Speaker 2: get Ready for Green Bay is they have a little

584
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 2: bit it's not an undersized front, but a little bit

585
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,680
Speaker 2: smaller pieces on the interior. Right, They've got guys that

586
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 2: are like three h five three ten, not Dexter Lawrence

587
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 2: three seventy. And what it does is it allows them

588
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 2: to move laterally and penetrate so much more effectively. Right,

589
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 2: and then they have these kind of edge players and

590
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 2: Rashauan Gary and people sleep on Lucas Vans and his effectiveness.

591
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 2: They can set like violently hard edges and it just

592
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 2: kind of bottles and murks it all up in a

593
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Speaker 2: way that the Giants have never been able to do

594
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,440
Speaker 2: in my estimation, right, they've never had that extra three

595
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:57,200
Speaker 2: technique opposite Dexter Lawrence that really they have great edge play, right,

596
00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,239
Speaker 2: they have great guys that can rush the passer from

597
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,919
Speaker 2: the perimeter, but they've not had that three technique opposite

598
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 2: where you.

599
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Speaker 1: Say they have a constant rotating group of people that

600
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Speaker 1: are standing next to Lawrence and none of them end

601
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Speaker 1: up standing out.

602
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 2: Correct and like, so we just talked about why, Like

603
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 2: he had a bunch of really nice quick wins, you know,

604
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 2: up the middle of the field, so you're getting this

605
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:15,880
Speaker 2: edge pressure in so think about it. There's a couple

606
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 2: times where Connor Lee is doing a good job creating

607
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 2: with in the pocket and Jaden can step up, but

608
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 2: you're getting pressure on the interior, or you're getting a

609
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 2: bull rush from Shan Gary on the other side, and

610
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 2: it just condenses the pocket in a way. And you

611
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 2: talk about some of the things that Jane Daniels has

612
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 2: to work on, one of them is just small pocket movement,

613
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 2: and so there's several times where he's taking these big

614
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 2: movements to vacate the pocket and they're kind of green.

615
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,199
Speaker 2: Bay's almost encouraging that response. And so as the season

616
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,879
Speaker 2: goes on, I think he'll get more comfortable. The offensive

617
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,239
Speaker 2: line won't get more comfortable, but that front, they had

618
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Speaker 2: a really good, a great personnel, b very good plan.

619
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Speaker 2: And I think the other thing people sleep on is

620
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Speaker 2: the second level speed of Cooper and Walker in that defense,

621
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Speaker 2: because you think about Zach Bond, Like the last time

622
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 2: I saw Jane Daniels struggle versus the team scrambling, it

623
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 2: was Philadelphia with Zach Bond and it was Pittsburgh with

624
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 2: Queen Right, Like, the guys that can really rip sideline

625
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 2: the sideline and match his athleticism. The Giants don't have

626
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 2: anybody at the second level of the defense they can

627
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 2: do that, and they don't have a three technique they

628
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 2: can russe the passer the way that Green Bay had

629
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Speaker 2: a couple guys that could do.

630
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Speaker 1: All right, let me talk about the offensive line a

631
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Speaker 1: little bit. Obviously, people see the rush. A good portion

632
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Speaker 1: of it was four man rush, you know, a lot

633
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Speaker 1: of it. A lot of the pressure came from that.

634
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 1: And we're seeing the right side and Josh Connerlee is

635
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 1: getting trial by fire for sure. I mean, welcome to

636
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 1: the NFL. He got Brian Burns a week ago. He's

637
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 1: going to get Max Crosby this weekend. And he had

638
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 1: of what I've seen so far, and I haven't seen

639
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 1: the Raiders obviously play their second game yet, but like

640
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 1: because they're playing tonight, but that Green Bay group was

641
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Speaker 1: as good as I've seen coming out of the gate,

642
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 1: especially off of Detroit. Welcome to the NFL. So what

643
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 1: would you say to Josh Connerlee today is he's kind

644
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 1: of getting his feet wet in his career here.

645
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Speaker 2: I'd say there are both tough outs, right, and the

646
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 2: thing So obviously there's some technical things that I think

647
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 2: could be improved upon for him, right, some you know,

648
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 2: hand positioning, some hip positioning, some understanding your pass protection line,

649
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,400
Speaker 2: things that come with experience. Right. We just talked about

650
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 2: why it's important for why veterans are valuable is they've

651
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 2: they've been burned by fire a bunch of times, and

652
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 2: they know these things. He's learning those things now. I

653
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 2: think the one thing if you're a fan of the

654
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 2: Commanders of your fan of Josh Connery like I am,

655
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,640
Speaker 2: is that dude competes his tailoff. Yeah, like I don't.

656
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 2: There's certain times like where you're watching a game, like

657
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 2: did you watch the Giants game yesterday? Like where the

658
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 2: tackle had like a total meltdown in the first quarter

659
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 2: and they had to bench him. Like every once in

660
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 2: a while you watch you watch film and you say

661
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,640
Speaker 2: that guy does not belong in the NFL, Like he's

662
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 2: not wired mentally the right way. And when I watched

663
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 2: Josh Connolly, like he had a couple reps where he

664
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 2: stones Rashan Gary, where he stones Michael Parsons on fifty

665
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 2: six dropbacks like they're gonna get some, you know what

666
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 2: I'm saying. And so I think that's the thing that

667
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 2: really sticks out to me is the competitive nature of

668
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,719
Speaker 2: the individual is something you can definitely build around, right,

669
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 2: you can build on moving forward. And so I think

670
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 2: he's going to be a very good player, but again

671
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 2: he's going to he's got to work on. Hey, this

672
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 2: this punch technique needs to be more locked in. My

673
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 2: elbows need to be tighter. I can't overset my line

674
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 2: versus good. That's the other thing is when you're playing

675
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 2: a what I would call like a top ten player

676
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 2: at the position. So Michael Parsons fits this mold is

677
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 2: they have a little bit of carte blanche to freelance

678
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,360
Speaker 2: a little bit more so your traditional set, right, your

679
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 2: kind of normal kickset doesn't work as well because they

680
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,239
Speaker 2: have a two way go and most guys don't have

681
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 2: that same luxury. So they're going to kind of be

682
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 2: really disciplined rush the outside shoulder and kind of play

683
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 2: by the rules in a way that Michael Parsons, T J.

684
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 2: Watt when I was playing, or Von Miller when I

685
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 2: was playing, didn't have to abide by in the same way.

686
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 2: And so you have to kind of change what you're doing.

687
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 2: And I think that's what he's getting to see here

688
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 2: is that learning process.

689
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, go through all these stats and

690
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: last week Brian Burns's stats were one of like three

691
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: players to have eight plus sacks in the first five

692
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: seasons of his career. The other players are Hall of famers.

693
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons is tracking towards the most sacks in his

694
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: first you know, four or five seasons of his career.

695
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: The next closest, like the person who has more name

696
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: is Reggie White, maybe the greatest defensive player in the

697
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 1: history of again, right, he believes he's the greatest defensive

698
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: player in the history of the NFL. Max Crosby is

699
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: what I don't know it offhand, but it's top five

700
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: maybe the top three sacks, pressure rate, win rate, all

701
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 1: that stuff in the NFL over the last five years.

702
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: He's gotten a tough draw, you know, to start he

703
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 1: has and like there's a reason why these guys have

704
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: these numbers. They beat everybody, right, they beat everybody. But

705
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: he's a rookie. And this is what it is.

706
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 2: Say the thing about Oakland, Oakland, Las Vegas. See him

707
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 2: got an old man, can't remember where they play anymore.

708
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 2: But is there is just it's just Max Crosby. It's

709
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 2: not like there's a guy in the other end that

710
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 2: you need to really be thinking about, right in the

711
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 2: same way they've they've invested draft capital, but none of

712
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 2: those guys have really.

713
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, they have top ten pick on the other side,

714
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: Wilson name.

715
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he hasn't really figured it out right, So

716
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 2: like you can this week we kind of had to orioh.

717
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 2: We got Wyatt on the interior, we got Vans on

718
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 2: the interior, we got you know, Gary on the other side.

719
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 2: We got Cooper Blitz in the A gap. But so

720
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 2: even our slide rules were a little bit funny because

721
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 2: I can't really give full commitment because this guy can

722
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 2: rush the passer here. It's like we can. This is

723
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 2: the thing, This is the crown jewel in the front,

724
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 2: and I think we can dedicate way more attention to

725
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 2: him specifically as opposed to this front where it's like,

726
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 2: hey man, we got four dudes, you can win one

727
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 2: on ones plus two linebackers, you can beat the back

728
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 2: So that becomes a little bit more complicated then what

729
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 2: what Las Vegas should be presenting.

730
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 1: I don't want to stay on Connorley here too. I

731
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: mean again, the Packers rushed for often, they faux pressured

732
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: like they were going to bring more, but they often

733
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: thought four this is a collective thing. It wasn't all once,

734
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: no doubt it was a collective thing. So just overall,

735
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 1: just your thoughts through two weeks and specifically last Thursday

736
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: night on where the offensive line can.

737
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 2: I think it's an important reminder that, you know, I

738
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 2: think Cliff Kingsbury wants to be a run first off

739
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,479
Speaker 2: wants us to be a run first offense, and I think,

740
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 2: as we talked about on the broadcast, like it felt

741
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 2: like he kind of got away, honestly from that core tenant.

742
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 2: I think he could feel like and I haven't talked

743
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 2: to him about it, but I've just been watching it

744
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 2: felt like he kind of got away from that because

745
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 2: he felt like the game was getting out of hand

746
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 2: even though it was a one score game. Late late

747
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 2: in the game, if I remember correctly. So what I

748
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 2: would say is like a one way to insulate the

749
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 2: offensive line is to run the football a little bit more,

750
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 2: be a little bit more definitive with the screen game,

751
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 2: be a little more definitive with the quick game early on,

752
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 2: and be more patient offensively as opposed to getting into

753
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 2: these heavy dropback situations early. And I felt like when

754
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 2: you go back and watch the tape, it's like it's

755
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 2: a lot of very hard downs for everyone in the

756
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 2: offensive front, you know, Like for the backs, it's hard

757
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 2: because it's obvious passing situations. We're in the gun, we're

758
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 2: in empty, we're in five man pros. Like that's a lot,

759
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 2: that's a lot of stress on that group. And so

760
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 2: I think just getting back into a more normal game

761
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 2: flow will help the coordinator. It's always like like one

762
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 2: of the things Kyle Shanahan used to say all the

763
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 2: time is like like this offense is built for a

764
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 2: second and eight. We're not built for second and ten,

765
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 2: Like we can't do what we want to do. And

766
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 2: I think we saw the efficiency this group had last

767
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 2: week when they're able to overcome you know, when they're

768
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 2: on schedule, like they're devastating their impossible to stop. So

769
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 2: I think that's something to keep in mind when reviewing

770
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 2: this last game. Is like, the game flow was not

771
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 2: great and they put that group in a really high

772
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 2: stress situation. Yea, and I think you saw the result.

773
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: I'll focus on on Jaden in a moment. I want

774
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: to talk about the offense overall, just in general really

775
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: through two weeks and specifically again, I think they caught

776
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: a team who just is red hot, you know, especially

777
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: with that front, and you just have to watch that

778
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: game against the Lions to go, this was gonna be tough,

779
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: like this felt like this could be a low scoring

780
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: game that was gonna be hard to move the ball.

781
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: But part of that also, you know, I think to

782
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: be fair here is throughout the summer, the offense, you know,

783
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: didn't practice a lot together, right, you know, there was

784
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: a lot a lot of reasons for that injury. These

785
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: people going in and out, they didn't play much in

786
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: the preseason and here early in the season, I would

787
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: describe it as that, I would say the timing has

788
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: been off, especially in the passing game. It feels like

789
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: the timing is off here, and I, for what am

790
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: not overly surprised by that. Especially if you have a

791
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: group that's able to get to the passer as quickly

792
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: as this one did on Thursday night, that there's kind

793
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 1: of no time to breathe and the timing's been a

794
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: little bit off. Do you think I'm onto something here?

795
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 2: You're crazy? No, I think you're pretty spot on. Actually,

796
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 2: I think that's really good analysis. Like it's like, especially

797
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 2: in the pass game, it's all timing based, like offensive line.

798
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 2: In the run game, it's all run like. It's it's

799
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 2: relationship based. It's how you're gonna fit this combination. And

800
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 2: so the fact that it feels a little weird or

801
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 2: like what's the timing on this comeback or what's the crossing?

802
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 1: The misses on the screen game. I know how accurate

803
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: this quarterback is. Yeah, the misses on the screen game,

804
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: the lack of like almost pinpoint accuracy, which I've grown

805
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 1: accustomed to him on a lot of these three, Like,

806
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: it's just kind of not there. The connection with Terry

807
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: isn't quite there yet, yeah, which is not overly surprised

808
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: considering they didn't practice together a lot throughout the course

809
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 1: of the spring and the summer. So there's a lot

810
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: of this that I just kind of attribute to I

811
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 1: think it's going to get better, Like I think it's

812
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 1: going to take time, But I'm not surprised that we're

813
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 1: having what I would call a slow start to the

814
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 1: season in the passing game for a variety of reasons.

815
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 1: Some of it is the opponents that they drew and

816
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: the ability that they have up front, and some of

817
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 1: it is it just feels like the timing is just

818
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: across the board is a little bit off for all

819
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: these variety of things that are going on right now.

820
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 2: No, I'm with you, and I think you know, it's

821
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 2: not a coincidence that the guys that with the most

822
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 2: targets over the first couple weeks of the season are

823
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 2: Zach Ertz and Deebo Samuel.

824
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 1: The players who were here throughout the summer practicing every single.

825
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 2: Time, right And because again, like you got to you

826
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 2: gotta trust their spot, You got to trust the way

827
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 2: they're seeing it that it's the same way you're seeing it.

828
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 2: And so I think, yes, it makes a lot of

829
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 2: sense that there's going to be a little bit of

830
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,439
Speaker 2: a feeling out pere, a little bit of trial by fire,

831
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,720
Speaker 2: right in terms of on the job reps, which doesn't

832
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 2: isn't ideal, but that's how it's going. And I do

833
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 2: think it'll get better and I trust that they'll find

834
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 2: a way to I said this to somebody recently. Like

835
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 2: one of the things about the NFL as everyone thinks, oh,

836
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 2: you're ready, you're ready for everything week one, right, like

837
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 2: that's when everything starts. But really you don't know the

838
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 2: team and know like what you're good at until probably

839
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 2: week four five maybe in terms of what our true identity.

840
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 1: Is, I think that's the whole league.

841
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 2: No, No, And I'm not saying here, yeah, I'm saying that.

842
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 1: Like when I played, it was like, trust me, they're

843
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 1: up in Minnesota after what happened the last first couple

844
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: of weeks where their offense had one strong quarter of

845
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: eight Yeah, and probably going what's going on here right now?

846
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 2: Right?

847
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: This is everywhere?

848
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 2: No, it's true, and I think, yeah, no, I think

849
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 2: that's exactly right. So I don't I don't think this

850
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,439
Speaker 2: is like unique. I think it makes sense to your point,

851
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 2: like all the things you just said. So yeah, I

852
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 2: think it's just going to take time, which I know

853
00:35:58,440 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 2: a lot of people don't want to hear, but I

854
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 2: think IT'SNNA takes time to kind of feel everything out,

855
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 2: make sure everyone's on the same page. But it'll click.

856
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 2: I'm very confident it will because the coaches here are

857
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 2: very smart. Cliff's very smart, Jaden's a competitive dude, Terry's

858
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 2: a true pro, and they're going to figure out this

859
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,879
Speaker 2: relationship and yeah, this chemistry, it'll get on track here,

860
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 2: I think sooner rather than yeah.

861
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not surprised that the explosive plays they've

862
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 1: had Deebo, Samuel and Zach Ertz. Maybe less surprised by Ertz.

863
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: Like the one really good thing that touchdown he scored

864
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: was a run after catch scene a lot out of him.

865
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:33,280
Speaker 2: Old Zach olds.

866
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: This was old Zach. This was old Zach Like, this

867
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: was one of the first times I've seen him make

868
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 1: that kind of play from that far out, you know,

869
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: on a yards after catch moment. He's been noticeable. There

870
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: is positives that came out of this. He has been

871
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: noticeable that it looks like he is quicker and faster

872
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: and was noticeable throughout the summer then he was even

873
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 1: a year ago, and I think it was really on

874
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: display on that particular touchdown he caught the ball the

875
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: eighteen yard line, juped a guy and got to the

876
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,320
Speaker 1: corner of the end zone and beat what we've described

877
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 1: as one of the fastest fronts we've seen. That was

878
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 1: really that was a takeaway for me from him that

879
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: he's capable of that now. That looked like the guy

880
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: we faced in Philadelphia five six years ago.

881
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, And I think it's great play design,

882
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 2: great execution, and so obviously they're capable of it. And

883
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,439
Speaker 2: it's great to see Zach making those plays. It's great

884
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,919
Speaker 2: to see Zach be uncoverable. He's running that corner, gets

885
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 2: a holding call, you know, running the choice route, wins

886
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 2: on the route like he's got the ability to do it.

887
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 2: Like you said, he looks in great shape, and Jade

888
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 2: and him have this great chemistry and I think that's

889
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 2: something that's going to continue to develop and is it

890
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 2: going to give be a continued bright spot for this team.

891
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: All right downfield passing game, it's been practically non existent

892
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: really through the first couple of weeks. I think that

893
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: has a lot to do with timing. The few shots

894
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 1: that they've taken to Terry mccluurin just haven't connected yet.

895
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 1: He seems to be their best downfield threat.

896
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 2: Yep.

897
00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: Currently, I think they have a couple of players that

898
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,959
Speaker 1: could develop into that, but he's the one currently that's

899
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: not happening. And in this particular game, did they take

900
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: a shot down the field? I don't even remember that.

901
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 2: They had a box fade to Terry. You know, they're

902
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 2: in that three by one and they're running the dou

903
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 2: two outs and he runs the box fade and the

904
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 2: guy's kind of in his hip and you know, I

905
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 2: don't know if the ball gets completed, but like kind

906
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 2: of to your point, like that ball's almost out of

907
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 2: bounds or right on the white, which is kind of

908
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 2: uncharacteristic for Jade, And you mentioned the one he missed

909
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 2: week won, and I just think it's I think the

910
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 2: other thing too that we haven't talked about. You mentioned

911
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 2: the accuracy in the Green Bay game, Like there was

912
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 2: a couple times on screens where there's a free runner

913
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 2: and he's got a kind of shuffler's feet in a

914
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 2: weird way get the ball out, Like on this play,

915
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 2: like it's there's pressure in his lap and the ball's

916
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:43,760
Speaker 2: got to get out a little quicker than he wants.

917
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 2: And so I do think it's hard to I'm sure

918
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 2: Jane would tell you could he can and should and

919
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 2: needs to be better. But I also think it's important

920
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 2: to remember how affected he was. I think it was

921
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 2: on fifty percent of his dropbacks there was some type

922
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 2: of pressure, and so like, that's just so un settling

923
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,240
Speaker 2: for a quarterback in terms of accuracy, in terms of footwork,

924
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 2: in terms of mechanics that and I'm not making an

925
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 2: excuse for him, but it's important to acknowledge the environment

926
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:10,919
Speaker 2: in which he's trying to do some of this stuff,

927
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 2: especially in this game against Green Bay. So if you

928
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 2: remove some of that stress from him from the offense,

929
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 2: and let's say the pressure rate goes from fifty to

930
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 2: a more normal twenty five or thirty percent, Yeah, I

931
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 2: do think the offensive efficiency will just naturally go up, right,

932
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 2: I mean that's kind of my thought in terms of

933
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 2: the way he's going to se stuff, in the way

934
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 2: he's going to make some of these throws.

935
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: Do you think that this goes back to they've got

936
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 1: to figure out something to help protect and give him

937
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: a little bit more time in general?

938
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 2: I think I think to me, the simplest thing, the

939
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 2: simplest thing is that if you look at the game

940
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 2: flow from the Giants game is just stay relatively on schedule.

941
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 2: Like look at the Bill krossky Merrit's numbers, look at

942
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,399
Speaker 2: Austin Ecklers numbers. Like the rushing efficiency was there, right,

943
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 2: We were able to kind of stay in these more

944
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 2: manageable down in distances. And we talked about on the

945
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,479
Speaker 2: last Booth review how they were in all these because

946
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 2: of penalties. They were in longer down in distance and

947
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 2: they had to like work magically to overcome them. But

948
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 2: I think when you look at last year and look

949
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:06,959
Speaker 2: at when they were at their best, it's like, hey,

950
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 2: third and five is a winnable down in distance for us, right,

951
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 2: And when you look at the call sheet or like

952
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 2: the down in distance numbers, there wasn't a lot of

953
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 2: third and fives in the game the other day, right,

954
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 2: There weren't a lot of them. And so that's where

955
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,839
Speaker 2: to me, Cliff, that's where most offensive coordinators are at

956
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 2: their best. So can we find again more efficiency on

957
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 2: first and second down. Be patient with the run game,

958
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 2: be patient with the quick game, be patient with the screens.

959
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 2: Those high percentage throws, easy completions for the quarterback, and

960
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 2: I think you're going to see an offensive efficiency that

961
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 2: we're more accustomed to. But again, like this defense, credit

962
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 2: to them, they made it very challenging to do that.

963
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,240
Speaker 2: And I also think the game flow, which people forget about,

964
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:43,800
Speaker 2: makes it very challenging to do that sometimes.

965
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: For a coordinator.

966
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 2: So I think all of those things, if they normalize

967
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 2: a little bit and they're not revved up to eleven

968
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 2: all the time, I think the offensive efficiency will get better. Yes.

969
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:53,879
Speaker 1: I mean, like, in all likelihood, if I went back

970
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 1: and watched some of the games from a year ago,

971
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 1: you'll see some of the same mistakes, drops, misses, all

972
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: this stuff, But they were hitting so many chunk plays

973
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: in so many different ways you kind of they went

974
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 1: in the wash and you just kind of forgot about

975
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 1: all this stuff. So like when I'm rewatching the Green

976
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: Bay game the other night, the drop slash punch out

977
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 1: on the Noah Brown, you know, it was a big

978
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 1: deal because it felt like one of the few times

979
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 1: that we were having these moments. And that's the biggest

980
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 1: difference to me early in the season as opposed to

981
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 1: last year where that ended up. Of course, it's a

982
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,439
Speaker 1: big deal when that doesn't happen, but it didn't feel

983
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: like it was game changing. And I go back to

984
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: this moment and I go, man, if that completetion occurred,

985
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: it might be a completely different ball. Give they're gonna

986
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: probably get points on the board one way or the other,

987
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: and the whole game flow changes entirely. But it's that

988
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: one moment and if you're hinging on one moment to

989
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 1: kind of salvage it, as opposed to all of the

990
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,359
Speaker 1: different times where they're like they just wipe it off

991
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: their shoulders and go, well, we're gonna hit you again

992
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: with this, this, this, and this, it feels completely different,

993
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 1: and so like I rewatch it, and that play really

994
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: stood out to me because I went the game's different,

995
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: get that catches completed.

996
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 2: But also even even go back to the first the

997
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,879
Speaker 2: first drive of the game, they get to a third,

998
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 2: it's a fourth and one, but it's a holding call

999
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 2: and it backs up and ends up Bena, I forget

1000
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:13,359
Speaker 2: it was like a third ten or third to let

1001
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 2: whatever it was. But like they were in a position

1002
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 2: where they could go for it realistically, go for it, realistically,

1003
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 2: extend the drive. Penalty pushes him back right. Even in

1004
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 2: the two minute drive before half, they got a holding

1005
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,800
Speaker 2: call or a false start, pushes him back right, and

1006
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden after a run, you're now

1007
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 2: from second and ten to second and twenty or whatever.

1008
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 2: It was like, it's those moments. We talked about it

1009
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 2: after the Giants game. Those penalties, those kind of misfires

1010
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 2: against better teams are going to be more impactful, and

1011
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 2: they were. And I think when you look at again,

1012
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:45,720
Speaker 2: when you go back and watch the Philadelphia game.

1013
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 1: Because nobody's perfect, you're gonna make a mistakes to be drops.

1014
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: There's gonna be wha makes a nice play, That's what's

1015
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: gonna happen.

1016
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 2: But when you go back to the Philly game, like

1017
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,280
Speaker 2: the margin farrer is tighter, right, and so this felt

1018
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 2: to me like a Philly game. That's what it felt

1019
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 2: like for both the games. Lactually the playoff game and

1020
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 2: the first time played on Thursday night, Like just the

1021
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 2: margin farrer are so small, The completion percentage was a

1022
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:06,839
Speaker 2: little bit off, the timing was a little bit and

1023
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 2: like because it's a grind when you play good teams,

1024
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 2: it is an absolute grind because everything is more difficult.

1025
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about the defense. Yeah, a little

1026
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: bit here. Green Bay was not scared to take shots

1027
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: down the field early, and often they didn't complete many

1028
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 1: of them. They did hit that one big one to

1029
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 1: the tight end Tucker Craft, but they tried one to

1030
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: Matthew Golden that didn't hit. They had a penalty that

1031
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 1: took points off the board on the injury play to

1032
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: Jane Reid. There was a ball that was a little

1033
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: late to Golden that might have been a Touchdow that

1034
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 1: Amos made a great recovery knocked away. They took a

1035
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: lot of shots. Were you surprised that they elected to

1036
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 1: go for this? I expected them to be a little

1037
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: more conservative early in the game because they were a

1038
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 1: little more conservative against the Lions, but that's not the

1039
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 1: way that they attacked this early in the game against Well.

1040
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:57,879
Speaker 2: I mean, they're smart. They probably did a little self

1041
00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 2: scout and said we can be more aggressive, and I

1042
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 2: think they or more aggressive, and you know, I think

1043
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 2: the thing is like talk about just a nice point

1044
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 2: of junctaposition between you know, the Commander's offense and the

1045
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 2: Green Bay offense. Like they did a great job of

1046
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:15,240
Speaker 2: staying on schedule. Very little actual straight drop back stuff,

1047
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 2: a lot of play action, a lot of misdirection from

1048
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 2: the backfield, a lot of motions to kind of set

1049
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 2: up and create different rush angles for the for the

1050
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 2: defensive line, it was very and because they're on schedule

1051
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 2: the whole time. And obviously there's a couple of situations

1052
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 2: where they're able to overcome, you know, like it was

1053
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 2: in the third quarter where where there was a big penalty,

1054
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 2: then they're able to overcome it on a big chunk

1055
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 2: play whatever. But I'd say on the whole they did

1056
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 2: a good job of staying on schedule and staying in

1057
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 2: this game flow that we're describing, like with an efficient

1058
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 2: run game, there's some trickeration in there, some misdirection stuff,

1059
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 2: and then they're able to get some chunks and really,

1060
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 2: if you look at it, that's the difference in the game.

1061
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 2: Like Down to down, I thought the defense actually played okay,

1062
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 2: but then you get to.

1063
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,439
Speaker 1: Agree there's actually if you rewatch correct, you're gonna see

1064
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: a different story than probably on that side of the ball.

1065
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: But what you probably remember from Thursday night, right.

1066
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 2: But like you said, like the chunk plays that the

1067
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 2: commander's offense weren't able to find, green bayed offense is

1068
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 2: able to find.

1069
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: That's right. Some of it's from and they had some

1070
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 1: serious near misses on players that were open.

1071
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 2: Correct. Yeah, absolutely, so I think that to me, that's

1072
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 2: the story. I think you felt like a good, competitive,

1073
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 2: tough commander's style energy from the defense, especially on the rewatch.

1074
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:21,399
Speaker 2: But I thought there was some things technically that Green

1075
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 2: Bay did that put put our guys in binds. And

1076
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 2: that's what you're supposed to do. It is a good offense,

1077
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 2: right is put them in conflict for in terms of vision,

1078
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 2: in terms of how we're fitting this run, in terms

1079
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 2: of my man and man responsibilities, and I think you

1080
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 2: see that edge created some explosive opportunities down the field.

1081
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 1: Yeah. The other thing, I'm sure and the coaches are

1082
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: going to preach this because this is what they talk about,

1083
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 1: at least with us all the time. This team has

1084
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: not generated a turnover yet two weeks yep. And in

1085
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 1: this particular game, I don't remember a play where it

1086
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: looked like a turnover was about to happen. So there

1087
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: wasn't like a dropped interception or tip balls at the

1088
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage, or a near fumble or anything like that.

1089
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 1: So what do you to make of ball is life?

1090
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:03,399
Speaker 1: But it's just not happening right now.

1091
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 2: I mean, it's one of those statistics that has a

1092
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 2: lot of variance to it, you know, traditionally. And I

1093
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 2: think I think the other thing too that is important

1094
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,959
Speaker 2: to remember is like on a short week, like, it's tough,

1095
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 2: it's tough to know exactly who Green Bay is at

1096
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 2: this point of the season because, like you said, in

1097
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,240
Speaker 2: the Detroit game, they're pretty conservative offense.

1098
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 1: They were very conservative offensively, built a lead and then

1099
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: all of a sudden and let their defense. Boy were

1100
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: they confident their defense? Boy were they right about for

1101
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:30,720
Speaker 1: the first two games to take on these two offenses

1102
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 1: off of what happened a year ago and to have

1103
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:33,399
Speaker 1: the performances that they.

1104
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 2: Had, Yeah, yeah, And so I think that's that's something

1105
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 2: that sticks out to me is just like the like

1106
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 2: when you watch that Detroit game, it's like, well, none

1107
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 2: of the stuff that they did against uh against the Commanders,

1108
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,919
Speaker 2: they did against against Detroit. Right it was a much

1109
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 2: different game plan, much different approach. And you could tell

1110
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,280
Speaker 2: they had to say, oh, well, we had we struggled

1111
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 2: versus these coverages versus Detroit. Let's put these plays in

1112
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 2: because again, Detroit plays a lot of man the Commanders

1113
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 2: play a lot of man, so in some ways it

1114
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 2: was almost like a perfect short week game for them

1115
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 2: because they said, this is a team that plays a

1116
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 2: lot of man in Detroit, this is what we had

1117
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 2: our time with, how can we exploit more man and

1118
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 2: man coverage looks? And then they just bumped right into

1119
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 2: a team that plays a very similar defensive philosophy on

1120
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 2: a short week, so it was like it was almost

1121
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 2: like just a power up boost for this game, and

1122
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 2: so they could prep a little bit more. And for

1123
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 2: the Commanders, when you look at what they did against Detroit,

1124
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 2: you're kind of like, I don't see anything that's going

1125
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 2: to really make me nervous or make me, you know,

1126
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 2: like anything that's going to challenge us in a way

1127
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 2: that we were challenged on Thursday night.

1128
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was the second week in a row. Like again,

1129
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 1: it wasn't all bad, and I agree with you and

1130
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:35,399
Speaker 1: rewatching it. The defense felt different to me than what

1131
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: I felt Thursday. It just felt like because there's two

1132
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 1: long drives and they scored on those, and there were

1133
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: these near misses where you go, this game could have

1134
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: gotten out of hand had he hit one of those

1135
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 1: bombs to Golden Either one of them, like either one

1136
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 1: of them or if that play to recounts as a touchdown,

1137
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: This is a very It tuels like it would have

1138
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: been a very different game. I will say this second

1139
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 1: week in a row, they really stood up in the

1140
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: red zone again, did it against the Giants, and they

1141
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: had one against the Packers as well. So that's a

1142
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,800
Speaker 1: good sign for the defense. And what I think is

1143
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: a more maybe not after what happened in Dallas yesterday,

1144
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: but feels like a more eclectic offense at Green Bay

1145
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: than the one that the Giants are bringing. They were

1146
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: able to slow that down.

1147
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 2: To Yeah, I mean they're able to slow down, no doubt,

1148
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 2: but yes they were. And I think the fact that

1149
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 2: they have some kind of stick touitiveness, some grit, especially

1150
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 2: in the red zone, like that's a that's a winning situation.

1151
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 2: You know. You always hear Fletch on the broadcast talking about, hey,

1152
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 2: in the red zone, if we can hold in the three,

1153
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 2: if in the red zone, if we can hold in

1154
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 2: the three, if we can. But I think the one

1155
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 2: thing that sticks out to me it really is like

1156
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 2: just the explosive plays down the field and how like

1157
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 2: those to me, those are the difference in the game, right,

1158
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 2: So one of them's on a mental mistake apparently, and

1159
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 2: then some of it is the craft. Yeah, one on

1160
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 2: a mental mistake, and then one you know, there's an

1161
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 2: offensive PI that doesn't get called. And again Latimore is

1162
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 2: being really handsy with them too, so maybe they're just

1163
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 2: letting them play ball there. But those like if you

1164
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 2: just kind of step back and say, what's the difference

1165
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,720
Speaker 2: between like why they scored backed up, it's that play.

1166
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 2: It's like it's a fifty six yard bought like big

1167
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 2: completion to a tight end. And so I think that's

1168
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:06,240
Speaker 2: something to kind of maybe keep an eye on moving forward,

1169
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 2: is how do you manage some of those missed opportunities

1170
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 2: from a mental standpoint. And again, I feel very confident

1171
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 2: that this team will handle it because you know, when

1172
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 2: you talk to Dan Quinn, that's something that like drives

1173
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 2: him is improving. And this is something else I just

1174
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:22,320
Speaker 2: want to point out is sometimes these types of games,

1175
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 2: these types of mistakes, are good that they happen in

1176
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 2: week two because now we can say, hey, maybe we're

1177
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 2: not maybe we're not super maybe this communication and our

1178
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 2: man coverage is too difficult versus a bunch we can

1179
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 2: get this cleaned up a little bit, and so kind

1180
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 2: of seeing those pressure points now is better because it

1181
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 2: helps you build and grow and develop a defense that's

1182
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 2: more comprehensive down the road when the games, I want

1183
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:46,879
Speaker 2: to say, quote unquote matter more you play off caliber.

1184
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like this is the second time this happened.

1185
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: The first preseason game was day Quit said it like

1186
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: that this was a moment that he wanted to talk.

1187
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I know it was all the backups. You know,

1188
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 1: they didn't play the starters really, but he was not

1189
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,879
Speaker 1: happy with the on the turnovers, the special teams. I'm

1190
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 1: not turnovers, penalties, special teams mistakes. And they talked about it.

1191
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 1: The first Patriots came, he was open about it Patriots game.

1192
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 1: Now we've got Week two here, and I am trying to, like,

1193
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 1: after the long weekend, remind myself, they played a really

1194
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 1: good team on the road in a night game on

1195
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 1: a short week and lost. That will happen. I could

1196
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 1: promise you, as good as Green May looked, that they

1197
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 1: will lose this year. Nobody's gonna go undefeated. You will lose.

1198
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 1: And I'm trying to remind myself of that, you know,

1199
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: and I think that that it's very early, like it's

1200
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 1: very early. Like last year in Week one, Washington played Tampa.

1201
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: That game was not particularly close. There were a ton

1202
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: of deep play touchdowns, big chunk plays that really made

1203
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 1: the difference of the game. Jayden was running for his life,

1204
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 1: just like in this one, running for his life, and

1205
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 1: guess what happened a few months later when they played

1206
00:50:56,520 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 1: them again. So it is very very very here, but

1207
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 1: this one felt more closer to me like the Baltimore

1208
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,839
Speaker 1: game a year ago, where I'm not sure that the

1209
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 1: scoreboard is as indicative of how lopsided at times that

1210
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 1: this thing actually felt on Thursday night. But it doesn't

1211
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 1: mean that there isn't going to be a rebound from it,

1212
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 1: because I saw it from this team a year ago.

1213
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:23,240
Speaker 1: It goes back to what we talked to in the beginning.

1214
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 1: I'm a little concerned about the amount of injuries that

1215
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 1: came out of this, especially early in the season, and

1216
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 1: a couple of them are season ending or likely season

1217
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 1: ending injuries, So that worries me a little bit here too.

1218
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 1: But it is very early, and I do think that

1219
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 1: team that they played is very very good.

1220
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:39,720
Speaker 2: I agree with that what you said, it it's early.

1221
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 2: Team's good. And again, like you want to win every game,

1222
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 2: but you're not going to And so I think the

1223
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:48,320
Speaker 2: only reason, the only thing that would make this bad

1224
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 2: is if you didn't learn from the mistakes you made

1225
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 2: in this game. Like if we didn't learn from you know,

1226
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 2: some of the things we had from a coverage standpoint,

1227
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 2: we didn't learn kind of managing game flow as a

1228
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 2: play caller to make sure that we can be patient

1229
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 2: in certain situations. And I'm not saying that Cliff or

1230
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 2: you know, Joe called a bad game, but these are

1231
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 2: all learning opportunities for everybody, for the players, for the coaches.

1232
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 2: And again, if you can take this game of a

1233
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 2: good team and say, Okay, this is the standard of

1234
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 2: play that we need to get to to get to

1235
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:17,399
Speaker 2: where we want to go, which is ultimately the super Bowl,

1236
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 2: then it's not a loss. It's going to make you

1237
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 2: better down the road, which is ultimately the goal every

1238
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 2: time you step on the field in between the lines.

1239
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 2: And I think kind of that's what you're speaking to,

1240
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 2: is like, you want to win every game, but if

1241
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 2: you are going to lose a game, I feel like

1242
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 2: that sometimes is the best way to learn and improve

1243
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:34,320
Speaker 2: yourself moving forward.

1244
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 1: I mean that Tampa game happened in week one, that

1245
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 1: Cincinnati game happened in week three. Things can change very

1246
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 1: very very quickly. And I think you've just saw this

1247
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:45,839
Speaker 1: with the Lions who played the Packers in Week one,

1248
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 1: didn't have an explosive play and just put up fifty

1249
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: plus on a team a week later, So things can change.

1250
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 2: During the score that Detroit game, what was the score?

1251
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,280
Speaker 1: It was like twenty seven to thirteen and the touchdown

1252
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:01,399
Speaker 1: was garbage time and that guy who made a crazy catch,

1253
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: it was twenty seven to six.

1254
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:04,439
Speaker 2: For a long time right to the whole game.

1255
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 1: They couldn't get in They couldn't get an explosive play.

1256
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:07,840
Speaker 1: I don't want to go back to the offense just

1257
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 1: for a moment. Okay, if you agree that timing is,

1258
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 1: you know, something that they need to work on. And

1259
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 1: there are now a number of injuries that may or

1260
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:17,439
Speaker 1: may not affect what they're looking at, you know, coming

1261
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 1: up this weekend. We don't know. With Noah Brown, we

1262
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 1: don't know what John Bates. I think we do know.

1263
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 1: With Eckler, we don't know what Jayden honestly, like, what

1264
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 1: do you think Cliff Kingsbury's thinking about this week as

1265
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 1: he tries to, you know, take what is now a

1266
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:30,839
Speaker 1: very different hand than he was dealt a week ago

1267
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 1: and moving forward and trying to find some chunk plays,

1268
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 1: explosive plays and points with this team.

1269
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 2: I think that's the one thing about Cliff and this

1270
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 2: offensive staff. There are a bunch of smart dudes, and

1271
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 2: so I think you just kind of go to the

1272
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 2: first principle of like offensive play calling in my opinion,

1273
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 2: which is like how do we put the guys in

1274
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 2: the best position to be successful? And then how do

1275
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 2: we put the team in the best position to win

1276
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 2: the game. And so maybe I want to shift kind

1277
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 2: of my focus. Maybe it's more conservative, maybe it's more aggressive.

1278
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 2: But I'm going to talk with Dan, I'm going to

1279
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 2: talk with Joe about how they feel defense, you know,

1280
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 2: like we can handle against the Las Vegas Raiders and

1281
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 2: kind of go from there. And like that I think

1282
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 2: is going to inform the direction. If I was the

1283
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 2: offensive corner of the direction, I would go with some

1284
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,799
Speaker 2: of my decision making, right, So, like maybe we can't

1285
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 2: be in as much twelve personnel as I wanted, or

1286
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 2: maybe we do have to go big. What does that

1287
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 2: do to the defense. What's the response going to be?

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00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 2: All those questions are going to be answered, but it's

1289
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 2: really how do we put the guys in the best

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00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 2: position to be successful, and then how do we make

1291
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:27,760
Speaker 2: sure the team's win in this football game? Because shoot,

1292
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:29,799
Speaker 2: if we score seven points and they score six, we

1293
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 2: still win. Like that doesn't feel very good offensively, but

1294
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 2: we won the game, and then we can work and

1295
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 2: build and continue to grow and teach in an environment

1296
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Speaker 2: that is a little bit more.

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Speaker 1: The Rams beat the Texans two weeks ago, fourteen to nine.

1298
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 1: No one's complaining about it.

1299
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Speaker 2: It's a win, man. Whin's a win.

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Speaker 1: Whin's a win? All right? Let me talk about the

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00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 1: Raiders with you for a moment. I haven't I saw

1302
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:50,359
Speaker 1: a little bit of the Patriots game. Obviously, you guys

1303
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 1: were taping the same plate their second game. Because they're

1304
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: playing tonight, Washington is catching a break here. In the past,

1305
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 1: this has always been the opposite where the short week

1306
00:54:57,160 --> 00:55:00,360
Speaker 1: stuff has always gone seemingly against them, watching to play Thursday.

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00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 1: They're playing Monday night. Yeah, they're playing Monday night and

1308
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 1: taking their second East coast trip in three weeks. So

1309
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 1: the schedule's not friendly to the Raiders here for this

1310
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,879
Speaker 1: game this weekend, assuming you haven't seen a lot of them,

1311
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 1: I do want to ask you about two of their

1312
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 1: prominent players. I'm sure you scouted the you know, one

1313
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:18,920
Speaker 1: out of them, Ashton Genty, Like, what did you think, Like,

1314
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 1: what's the high end ceiling for him coming out coming

1315
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 1: in here?

1316
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 2: High end ceiling. He's a baller, man, He's an absolute baller.

1317
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 2: He's fast, he's explosively break tackles, he maximizes dirty runs.

1318
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 2: He has not done that so far through one week

1319
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 2: the one game I've seen, because they're often to me

1320
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:37,879
Speaker 2: like this is a classic like offensive liner running back

1321
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 2: situation in terms of improving the run game, they're a

1322
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 2: little bit kind of land of misfit toys along the

1323
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:45,800
Speaker 2: offensive line. I think you feel that with Ashton Genty,

1324
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:48,240
Speaker 2: and I really like the number one driver of there,

1325
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 2: and I think in a perfect world, Petek Carol would

1326
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 2: have him be the number one driver, kind of like

1327
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:55,520
Speaker 2: your beast mode Marshall Lynch type player. But I do

1328
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 2: think that right now, Gino Smith is playing really good football,

1329
00:55:57,960 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 2: at least from the game that I've seen this year.

1330
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 2: And why when he was in Seattle So I think

1331
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 2: that's something that is going to be really interesting to

1332
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 2: watch because they do have a guy who's willing to

1333
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 2: push the football down the field and can find explosive

1334
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 2: plays pretty consistently. So how do you manage that aggressive

1335
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:13,399
Speaker 2: nature of Gino Smith? Yeah?

1336
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:15,319
Speaker 1: So did you do eight thousand interviews a week? And

1337
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 1: we'll have to deal with me on the pregame show

1338
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 1: this weekend. And off of what Tucker Craft did, I

1339
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 1: think you are going to get asked a million times

1340
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 1: about brock Bauers, who had if it was up to

1341
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 1: me Jade Dagels' Rookie of the Year, he would have

1342
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:29,959
Speaker 1: been the second choice for a lot of people. Yeah,

1343
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 1: after he broke a record last year like tight ends

1344
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 1: as a rookie. Ever, he is a dominant past receiving

1345
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 1: tight end. So what did you kind of see out

1346
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 1: of him and what.

1347
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:42,200
Speaker 2: He I mean, we'll see tweaked his knee week one

1348
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 2: and so he didn't practice this week. He's been a

1349
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 2: knee brace. So I'm really kind of waiting to the

1350
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 2: night to see like where he's at because you know,

1351
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 2: sometimes people play that game where it's like, oh, I'm

1352
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 2: gonna play, but I don't actually play, like, how are

1353
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 2: they going to save him? Is he going to be

1354
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 2: ready for this week? And because he's such a movement

1355
00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 2: piece in the offense and his ability to win one

1356
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 2: on one is kind of in the same way zach

1357
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 2: Ertz has that ability, it'll be interesting to see, like

1358
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 2: hit where his health is at, because he is a

1359
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 2: big feature of the offense. Again, talk about just a

1360
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 2: weapon for Gino Smith but Myers Mayors, I don't know

1361
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 2: how to say his name. The guy from Notre Dame

1362
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 2: from a couple of years ago got a little bit

1363
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 2: more target share like when he was out. So they

1364
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 2: do have very good depth at the tight end position

1365
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 2: there and I think that'll be a factor obviously in

1366
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 2: the game.

1367
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 1: All right, last thing, like you played for a long time.

1368
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 1: This was a rough game, Like what's important in the

1369
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 1: locker room? What are guys talking about? Is that because

1370
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 1: it's it's early, so what are people talking about?

1371
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 2: I mean, that would have been my first thing to say,

1372
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 2: is that it's early. It's like, there's so much time

1373
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 2: to make this correct, to make this correction off this game, right,

1374
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 2: So I was thinking back in twenty twelve, we made

1375
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 2: the playoffs, like we were what were we three and six, right,

1376
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 2: so we were definitely staring down the barrel of a

1377
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 2: you know, everyone getting fired and me having to find

1378
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 2: a new job and going to back to school and

1379
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 2: all that kind of thing. But you figure out your

1380
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 2: rhythm late in the year. We talked about knowing who

1381
00:57:58,080 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 2: you are and knowing what you're good at, and we

1382
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 2: in that season just kind of clicked at the right moment.

1383
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:05,479
Speaker 2: After that bye week, came back, felt really good and

1384
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 2: this is a mini buy time for self scout, self evaluation.

1385
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 2: And I think again, like, if this is later in

1386
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:13,439
Speaker 2: the year, it's harder having a loss like this because

1387
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 2: you're like, man, we're so established, We're so deep in it, Like,

1388
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 2: how do we make any type of correction? How do

1389
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 2: we get better here? It's like, man, it's the season

1390
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 2: is still in its infancy. We can make any type

1391
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 2: of change we want. We can change our offensive identity

1392
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 2: at the drop of a hat if need be, as

1393
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 2: long as as long as it's in the context of

1394
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 2: the insul We can change defensively what we want to prioritize.

1395
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 2: This is nothing. This is happening at the best time.

1396
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 2: And if this locker room is wired the way I

1397
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 2: think it's wired. They're going to come together, they're going

1398
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 2: to galvanize. Leadership is going to take over, and they're

1399
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 2: going to improve. And I think about Dan Quinn, think

1400
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 2: about Joeah Junior, I think about Cliff Like that's what

1401
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 2: they're good at, is motivating and inspiring in a locker room.

1402
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 2: And I'm just grateful that it's happening now. I'm grateful

1403
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 2: that we played a good team now so we know

1404
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 2: where the bar is and we know how to get

1405
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 2: there when we have to get there.

1406
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean early in the season. Last year, they

1407
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 1: played a few good teams early A couple of the

1408
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 1: results were really good. A couple of them went the

1409
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 1: wrong way. Look where they were at the.

1410
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Speaker 2: End of the year.

1411
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Speaker 1: So let's see if they can get a bounce back

1412
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 1: when they are taking on the Raiders this weekend. That'll

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Speaker 1: do it for the Booth Review. We'll have a review

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Speaker 1: of that next Monday, after the Raiders game. See then.

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