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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome is Stephane

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Speaker 1: Never Told You production of iHeart Radio. And today we

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Speaker 1: are continuing our tech kick, which feels like it's never ending.

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Speaker 1: To be honest, we keep adding things. You're right, we do,

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Speaker 1: we do, but it's all fascinating stuff. And I will

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Speaker 1: say this one, which is about YouTube, It was very

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Speaker 1: difficult to research because Google owns YouTube. So when you

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Speaker 1: type in like, hey, YouTube women, all it is is

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Speaker 1: like videos from YouTube with women in the right. So

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Speaker 1: it was tricky. Yeah, you know what TikTok is similar

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Speaker 1: to that. When you try to find information on TikTok,

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Speaker 1: it takes you to TikTok and like things about that

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Speaker 1: subject on TikTok. Mm hmmm, we're speaking up. We have

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Speaker 1: any TikTok now told us right, Yes we do, thanks

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Speaker 1: to Joey who has been on the show, who is

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Speaker 1: amazing and patient. You can go check us out there

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Speaker 1: at stuff mom never told you. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: so yeah we're there as well. Um YouTube a lot, Samantha.

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Speaker 1: So this is the thing. I do use YouTube a lot,

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Speaker 1: but it's very specific things. Um. I have used it

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Speaker 1: to listen to music, so way back when before licensing

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Speaker 1: was a thing and people were really like and YouTube

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Speaker 1: got really aware of that. I would listen to songs

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Speaker 1: that I couldn't find. Um. Now, of course Spotify has

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Speaker 1: more songs, but like some songs you couldn't find on Spotify,

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Speaker 1: Beyonce songs were not available there, so I would go

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Speaker 1: to YouTube and listen to it there. Um at night,

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Speaker 1: I like their deep sleep sounds. Set that on a

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Speaker 1: I use it like that. Um My partner uses it NonStop.

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Speaker 1: But that's that's it. Like I don't do things outside

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Speaker 1: of that, huh. I use YouTube quite a bit actually,

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Speaker 1: um it's a thing that I have a love hate

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Speaker 1: I do feel like, as as a viewer who doesn't

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Speaker 1: I don't pay for the service to not have ads,

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Speaker 1: I feel like they time the ads at the worst

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Speaker 1: specific place on purpose. And I've even looked up like

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Speaker 1: on Reddit does YouTube do this purposefully? There's no real

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Speaker 1: answer yet. Yeah, I think I know it's gotten longer.

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Speaker 1: That used to be able to skip. Now you don't

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Speaker 1: have that option as much. I do want a correction

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Speaker 1: because I do watch Hot Ones. Oh yeah, huh uh.

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Speaker 1: And that is a series I've watched a lot on

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Speaker 1: there because they that's where they originated. Yes, so I

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Speaker 1: love that series as well as Binging with Babish. Those

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Speaker 1: are those are pretty great ones. There's a lot of

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Speaker 1: great stuff on YouTube. I watched. I watch a bunch

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Speaker 1: of stuff. Actually it's one of my biggest Like probably

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Speaker 1: every morning I watch a bunch of YouTube videos, which

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Speaker 1: is not the case for a lot of people. I've learned.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that is. That is like my go too. That's

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Speaker 1: my morning routine. Um yeah yeah uh. Content warning before

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Speaker 1: we get into this one. General grossness. The same thing

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Speaker 1: in our past Tech episodes. If you're like a woman

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Speaker 1: or marginalized person on the internet, you know what I'm

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Speaker 1: talking about. Brief discussion of very disturbing content pedophilia, sexual assault. Um,

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Speaker 1: We're not going to get too much into detail, but

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Speaker 1: just so you know, you can see our past episodes

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Speaker 1: on Airbnb, Twitch, Evan rachel Wood and Tech Accountability, YouTube

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Speaker 1: Beauty Grows, Single Use hate Accounts and Megan Markle the

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Speaker 1: Amber heard trial. It's involved in this where Samantha knows

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Speaker 1: I have a very hilarious, spicy outline coming up about

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Speaker 1: d C Phantom. Oh yeah, Oh it's gonna be great. Also,

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Speaker 1: we typically try to focus on intersectional feminist issues in

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Speaker 1: I think pretty much everything could be that. But YouTube

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Speaker 1: was one of those ones where I think I was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I did get an award. I want a YouTube award.

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Speaker 1: I still have it. It's pretty cool. I mean it

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Speaker 1: Yeah whatever. And also I did get doxed. I got

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Speaker 1: doxed based on YouTube video that we posted. That wasn't

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Speaker 1: Yeah uh. Several studies have found that the reasons people

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Speaker 1: impact women is around beauty. Both the pressure of the

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Speaker 1: creator to put on makeup where nice, perhaps revealing clothes

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Speaker 1: which are things that are time consuming and often expensive,

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Speaker 1: but also to make videos about beauty, like makeup tutorials,

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Speaker 1: because they know that those can be monetized. Uh, they

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Speaker 1: might be pressured to use a sexualized thumbnail like we were. Um,

435
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: there's nothing inherently wrong with these videos, these makeup tutorials.

436
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Speaker 1: I know people who love them. But if women are

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Speaker 1: being pressured into doing them for financial reasons and being

438
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 1: pressured to look a certain way, that's an issue. We've

439
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: discussed before how the beauty industry has pushed standards to

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Speaker 1: sell products, telling women they have to look a certain way,

441
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Speaker 1: and that is partially at play here. Um. Yeah, because

442
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Speaker 1: you know, makeup can be great. We just need to

443
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Speaker 1: be clear. We need a clear picture of what's going

444
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Speaker 1: on here, because a lot of women reported feeling like

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Speaker 1: they had to do this because it's the only way

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Speaker 1: they could get ads. Many women creators report criticism around

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Speaker 1: their appearance, their weight, clothes, and makeup. Further, a lot

448
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Speaker 1: of the top channels created by women have to do

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Speaker 1: with stereotypical, more feminine topics like cooking, and there's a

450
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Speaker 1: bunch of research about this, and again it's it seems

451
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Speaker 1: to be that they feel there's nothing wrong with it,

452
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Speaker 1: but they feel like this is the only way they

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Speaker 1: can make money, which I think there is something wrong

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Speaker 1: with that, right right, Although I mean we could come

455
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Speaker 1: back and have the conversation about how also, if you're

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Speaker 1: a woman creator, you can only be for women. Yes,

457
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Speaker 1: So that's I mean, we run into that a lot.

458
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Speaker 1: So that's a hopeful conversation. Um. And by the way,

459
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Speaker 1: women are more likely to be subjected to trolling, comments

460
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: and harassment, even stalking and threats, and it increases with

461
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: every intersection a sexual orientation, gender identity, disability, and having

462
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: pain dismissed, not looking sick enough, not looking pretty enough. Wait,

463
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Speaker 1: there was even a study specifically on YouTube comments that

464
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Speaker 1: showed gender differences in how we talk about intoxication. Women

465
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: are often sexualized in fell videos. Women creators have reported

466
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Speaker 1: fear after accounts have posted hate videos about them and

467
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: called for their followers to attack them, and this travels

468
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 1: onto other platforms. By the way, I've seen this, Um,

469
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Speaker 1: it's really interesting. In twenty nineteen, YouTube rolled out updated

470
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Speaker 1: harassment policies, but creators say they haven't mitigated the issue.

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Speaker 1: Two report found that harassment against women is not only

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Speaker 1: alive and well on YouTube, it's flourishing. Women creators who

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Speaker 1: have gone viral have described the delusion of harassments they encounter.

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Speaker 1: Some even cited the Amber heard Johnny Depp trial as

475
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Speaker 1: emboldening misogynists that creators and allowing them to amass huge

476
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Speaker 1: numbers of followers, and that it helped normalize a toxic

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Speaker 1: level of hate towards women. UM and I don't think

478
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Speaker 1: we talked about this yet, but the including Megan the

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Speaker 1: Stallion that also brought up a whole amount of misogynistic

480
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Speaker 1: trolls that that got some notoriety, and similarly YouTube started

481
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Speaker 1: de ranking Megan Markle hate channels. People like Men's Right

482
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Speaker 1: activist Andrew Tate have a mess millions in revenue, though

483
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Speaker 1: he was recently banned, but by the way, he's been

484
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Speaker 1: making a lot of money on the backs of harassing

485
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Speaker 1: women just that and just recently got banned. UM. Women

486
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Speaker 1: creators feel that because YouTube is monetizing these accounts and

487
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Speaker 1: not disciplining their top male creators who post misogynistic content,

488
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Speaker 1: it empowers commenters to harass women. So many women have

489
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Speaker 1: left because of this. The report concluded, misogyny is alive

490
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Speaker 1: and well on YouTube. Videos pushing misinformation, hate, and outright

491
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Speaker 1: conspiracies targeting women are often monetize. This is like within

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Speaker 1: the year study UM of note, all the studies mentioned

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Speaker 1: that there was a lack of data and research around

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Speaker 1: non binary folks, so that is something that's missing. Um

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Speaker 1: and I want to include this. Uh. These are actual

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Speaker 1: guidelines from Google's anti harassment policy. Quote. Here are some

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Speaker 1: examples of content that's not allowed on YouTube. Reportedly showing

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Speaker 1: pictures of someone and then making statements like look at

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Speaker 1: this creature's teeth, they're so disgusting, with similar commentary targeting

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Speaker 1: intrinsic attributes throughout the video, targeting an individual based on

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Speaker 1: their membership in a protected group, such as by saying

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Speaker 1: look at this filthy slur targeting and protected group, I

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Speaker 1: wish they'd just get hit by a truck. Targeting an

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Speaker 1: individual and making claims they are involved in human trafficking

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Speaker 1: in the context of a harmful conspiracy theory where the

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Speaker 1: conspiracy is linked to direct threats or violent acts, using

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Speaker 1: an extreme insult to dehumanize an individual based on their

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Speaker 1: intrinsic attributes. For example, look at this dog of a woman.

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Speaker 1: She's not even a human being. She must be some

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Speaker 1: sort of mutant or animal depicting an identifiable individual being murdered,

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Speaker 1: seriously injured, or engaged in a graphic sexual act without

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Speaker 1: their consent. Accounts dedicated entirely to focusing on maliciously insulting

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Speaker 1: an identifiable individual, but it has to be the entire account. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: and so I wanted to include this because it feels

515
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Speaker 1: like you're trying to teach a child how to like

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Speaker 1: behave like that. We have to say, like, hey, here's

517
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Speaker 1: an example. I was reading it, like whoa, Okay, I

518
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Speaker 1: mean there's a part of you that's like it. Has

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Speaker 1: there ever been anybody who read these things like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I see, I'll stop doing that. Um, But anyway, okay.

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Speaker 1: When it comes to money making, as only one creator

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Speaker 1: on the top ten list of YouTube was not a man,

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Speaker 1: and that was seven year old Nastia in one. She

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Speaker 1: made an estimated twenty eight million dollars. Uh, and this

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Speaker 1: is in keeping with the trends of recent years for YouTube.

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Speaker 1: One woman on the list, but in no women at

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Speaker 1: all made it. Wait, she's a seven year old? What

528
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: is her content? Yeah? Uh, because it's definitely not other

529
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Speaker 1: seven year olds watching it. Well, maybe I don't know,

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Speaker 1: because there's also a ten year old boy on there.

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Speaker 1: I think, I don't know. Yeah, you've also probably heard

532
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Speaker 1: of the credibility gap when it comes to women and

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00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 1: science or news content. Many women creators who are scientists

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00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: have posted the man splaining comments they get I'm sure

535
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: you've seen some of them or heard some of them,

536
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 1: or sexualization or outright harassment that they receive viewership on

537
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: STEM related videos us mail um. In some cases pretty drastically,

538
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: this impacts interest in and potential pursuit of STEM topics

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00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: and careers, because several studies have found that engaging in

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Speaker 1: STEM content, especially at a young age, can ultimately lead

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Speaker 1: to a STEM career. Studies have also found that, compared

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00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,919
Speaker 1: to an equally scientifically curious man, women are twenty six

543
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: percent less likely to watch a science video on YouTube.

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Speaker 1: Science creator Emily grass lely You famously published a YouTube

545
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Speaker 1: video called where My Lady's At where she just read

546
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Speaker 1: some of the comments her videos received. And if you've

547
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: never watched her videos, they're pretty sweet. They're kind of

548
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: like she works in a museum and she talks about

549
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: things in the museum, and it was just all of this,

550
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: like very sexualized, hateful she receives. Oh no, Yeah, I

551
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: was thinking about one of the YouTube channels that my

552
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: partner really wants, like like gets me to watch um

553
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Speaker 1: Simone Gartz. Someone's going to correct me and tell me

554
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: I'm completely because she's really, really famous and her whole

555
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 1: thing is trying to create unusual hacks in her house

556
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: through whatever tools she's gotten. She's gotten huge, so she's

557
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 1: gotten really cool tools, and I think one she did

558
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 1: was a chair for her dog to sit next to

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Speaker 1: her at the like it's a desk chair, so something big,

560
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Speaker 1: and then creating um something with tampons I forgot already,

561
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: but like, she has a lot, and she is technically

562
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Speaker 1: a tech slash stem creator and past millions of viewers,

563
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Speaker 1: so I would be interested to see what her comments

564
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Speaker 1: look like with her popularity. Yeah. I think one of

565
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 1: the things that really disheartened me in this research was

566
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Speaker 1: that back in the early days when Kristy and I

567
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Speaker 1: were doing YouTube, we worked with a lot of big

568
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: women on YouTube because it's like how you kind of

569
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: cross promoted and got more viewers, and a lot of

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00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 1: the women we worked with who had like millions of

571
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: views and followers left YouTube like they would show up

572
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: in a lot of the articles I was reading, more

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Speaker 1: like here's how why I left. And they're like big

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Speaker 1: creators and so it just only imagining like the smaller creators. Um.

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Speaker 1: And also didn't you you showed me that video girlfriend reviews? Yes,

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Speaker 1: and now they had to like respond to a lot

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00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 1: of hate yeah, last yeah, yeah, they had to respond

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00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: to a lot a lot of hate in general. But

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Speaker 1: apparently they're doing huge stuff in Twitch. But the whole

580
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,240
Speaker 1: premises is pretty much the girlfriend is watching her boyfriend

581
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 1: play these games and does a commentary and they grew

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00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: up to a huge success and is I think living

583
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: off of the content as content creators because they have

584
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: made sponsor deals. Um. But yeah, they they had to

585
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 1: go through some things where several video games, including The

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00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: Last of Us too, because they loved it. M much

587
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: like you we always have to bring it back to

588
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 1: the Last of Us or Star Star Wars here. So

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00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: a part of the issue is a production of budget staff. Statistically,

590
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 1: mail run shows are able to secure more funds and staff.

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Speaker 1: Another is that women who are scientists often have families

592
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 1: and have more of the share in taking care of children,

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00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: which means yes, less time for actually making content and videos. Yeah,

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00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:40,879
Speaker 1: which is something we heard during the pandemic with why

595
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: they were less scientific papers turned in by women. Um.

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00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: And also have you ever heard of saying and never

597
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 1: read the comments that million and mistake and keep going? Well?

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Speaker 1: Researcher in Noca Maris Takara, and I apologized if I

599
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: butchered your name, I could not find a pronunciation anywhere. Uh,

600
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Speaker 1: but um, they did read the comments. Came out the

601
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: other side with a published paper about sexism and YouTube.

602
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: They looked at over twenty three thousand YouTube comments specifically

603
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Speaker 1: comparing the treatment of men and women when it came

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Speaker 1: to science content, and no surprise, the women were treated

605
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: more harshly negative comments versus six percent for men. Um.

606
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Speaker 1: I've I've said it a million times on the show,

607
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: but we once did this experiment at work where we

608
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Speaker 1: had a male host and a female host do the

609
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: exact same video and we compared the comments and it

610
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 1: was very clear it was very stark which one they

611
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Speaker 1: believed was smarter and all of the physical comments that

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Speaker 1: the woman got. And yeah, the women in the study

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Speaker 1: got a lot more sexually charged comments or comments about

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Speaker 1: their appearance in general and the way YouTube comments work

615
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 1: is the most controversial ones right to the top, And

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00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: in fact, I never personally would do this, but Kristen

617
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,280
Speaker 1: would sometimes be like, let's do something really controversial because

618
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Speaker 1: it will generate, Like you, it'll make you go to

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Speaker 1: the top faster and make you get more comments. And

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Speaker 1: that's just how YouTube's algorithm works, which, as I believe,

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Speaker 1: one big YouTuber was like, this does not facilitate healthy,

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00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: helpful conversation, right. I feel like that's that's for everything,

623
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Speaker 1: including uh news, like getting the worst, the most controversial

624
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: stuff out there first, because that's going to get the tension,

625
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 1: which sucks. Yes, So YouTube is trying to combat this

626
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: to varying degrees of success. In eighteen, they launched the

627
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: first hashtag women to Watch as part of the Next

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Speaker 1: Up program. In the company's own words, this was the

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Speaker 1: first time they had focused on empowering female voices UM.

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Speaker 1: In sixteen, they formed a year long partnership between Women

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Speaker 1: Creators and the UN to Advocate to Gender Equality. UM

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Speaker 1: and other organizations have been trying to fight this as well.

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Speaker 1: In you Coalition now Uplift together, formed to combat sexual abuse,

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Speaker 1: emotional manipulation, and other forms of violence in the YouTube community. Yeah. Yeah,

635
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 1: I mean with every tech topic we do, because of

636
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 1: the show we are, we focus on the negative. There

637
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Speaker 1: are a lot of positives about YouTube. It can be

638
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 1: a great place to find community, could be great place

639
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: to share ideas, to educate all kinds of things. But

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Speaker 1: this is I just there's so much fluctuation. I can't

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Speaker 1: say for sure the situation is getting better, like people

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Speaker 1: of it annoys me in so many of these tech

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Speaker 1: episodes where it's like the creators are the ones making

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Speaker 1: forced to leave or I don't know. It's just like

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of things that need to be figured

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Speaker 1: it before. We've talked about influencers and the good and

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Speaker 1: the bad. But yeah, it is. There's a lot of

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Speaker 1: things that the law, policies and just human rights things

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Speaker 1: haven't caught up with as fast as this medium has become. Right,

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Speaker 1: it is complicated. Like to YouTube's credit, I get that

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Speaker 1: it's complicated because you know, you don't want an advertiser

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Speaker 1: But you also don't want a creator to not be

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Speaker 1: able to make money and leave. But right now it's

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Speaker 1: not working at least that's my view of it. So

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Speaker 1: I would love if anybody listening has more recent experience

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Speaker 1: with YouTube, has any thoughts or resources, are numbers, anything

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Speaker 1: like that, because this was one where I kind of

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Speaker 1: got overwhelmed. There's a lot more we could talk about

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Speaker 1: with this, and a lot is changing. Some of those

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Speaker 1: surveys I mentioned, even though they were recent. I bet

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Speaker 1: it's shifted. I bet the conversation has shifted since then.

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Speaker 1: Um So if there's anything like that, Uh, you can

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