WEBVTT - Another Day with Adam Pascal

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<v Speaker 1>And that's what you really missed with Jenna.

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<v Speaker 2>And Kevin an iHeartRadio podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome to and that's what you're in this podcast. It's

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<v Speaker 3>Jenna without Kevin.

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<v Speaker 1>Boohoo.

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<v Speaker 3>We're missing Kevin right now. He's actually deep in tech

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<v Speaker 3>at spelling Bees. So I took this one. I actually

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<v Speaker 3>stole this one from him because we have one of

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<v Speaker 3>my childhood heroes, Adam Pascal is here.

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<v Speaker 1>We one and only Roger from Wren.

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<v Speaker 3>Also, one of my other favorite musicals he started was Aida,

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<v Speaker 3>and then he also was in Chess at the Royal

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<v Speaker 3>Albert Hall, which ironically out now Liah is in New York,

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<v Speaker 3>so full Star called there and we have a really

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<v Speaker 3>lovely conversation. He's a wonderful human being and I'm just

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<v Speaker 3>so please.

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<v Speaker 1>That I got to meet him and interview him by myself. Sorry, Kevin,

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy the interview, Saudi. How are you great?

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<v Speaker 2>How are you?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm good? Thank you, thank you so much for joining me.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry Kevin couldn't.

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<v Speaker 3>Be here, but he sends his thanks. And we just

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<v Speaker 3>watched the movie yesterday, so.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you did? OK?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Think I've seen it literally since I went to the premiere.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my gosh, Wow, that's a long time ago. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm so excited for you to be here. I have

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<v Speaker 3>to say, if you told like fourteen year old Jenna

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<v Speaker 3>that she'd be talking to Adam Pascal, I think I

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<v Speaker 3>would have probably like thrown a shoe at myself or

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<v Speaker 3>something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's very sweet if you think you.

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<v Speaker 3>Are just an icon in the Broadway history books, and

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<v Speaker 3>thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>We are just wildly talented and just so I was

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<v Speaker 1>like yesterday I was.

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<v Speaker 3>Saying you, you and Wren and all the pieces that

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<v Speaker 3>you were a part of like really raised me.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so very exciting to chat with you.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate that. And I can tell you that from

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<v Speaker 2>my own experience, I had a very similar upbringing with

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<v Speaker 2>the movies of Hair and the Rocky Horror Pictures Show.

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<v Speaker 2>So both of those movies for me were you know,

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<v Speaker 2>And it's really it's great because it's such a full

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<v Speaker 2>circle moment for me because because I had that experience

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<v Speaker 2>with those shows, and specifically we're talking about the movie.

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<v Speaker 2>So I've never seen Hair on stage. I've seen the

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<v Speaker 2>movie about one hundred and fifty times, but I've never

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<v Speaker 2>seen it on stage. And Rocky Horror, same thing. I've

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<v Speaker 2>only ever seen the movie, but seen it so many times,

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<v Speaker 2>and both of those movies had such a visceral effect

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<v Speaker 2>on me as a kid growing up, yeah, and having

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<v Speaker 2>never seen them on stage. And so then cut to

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<v Speaker 2>the movie, the Rent movie. So the Rent we had

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<v Speaker 2>a very similar well I'll backtrack, So a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>kids coming up to me who have only ever seen

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<v Speaker 2>the movie and they've never seen on stage, and they

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<v Speaker 2>are affected by the film in the way that I

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<v Speaker 2>was affected by Hair.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, So there's like a touch point there, something that

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<v Speaker 3>you can understand what they're yeah, holding on to.

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<v Speaker 2>And both of those movies had a very similar trajectory

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<v Speaker 2>in that they were both widely popular on Broadway. Then

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<v Speaker 2>they were transferred to film and had sort of moderate

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<v Speaker 2>success and divided the fans of like, you know, some

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<v Speaker 2>people loved it, some people hated it. Same with critics

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<v Speaker 2>and all the stuff. So it was a very similar,

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<v Speaker 2>very similar reaction by the fan base that Hairhead.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I we'll definitely get into more of the Rent movie,

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<v Speaker 3>but I just wanted to backtrack a little bit. I

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<v Speaker 3>see you're from Woodbury. I am also from Long Island

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<v Speaker 3>as well. So hell, yeah, I'm from East Meadow, of course. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>And I went to Holy Trinity High School, which had

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<v Speaker 3>a wonderful theater department at the time, and it was

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<v Speaker 3>just like we did a million shows a year, and

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<v Speaker 3>I just yeah, Long Islander, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I've been back there a lot. I'm actually

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<v Speaker 2>I've been teaching at Long Island University and directing the

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<v Speaker 2>show at Long Island University and so wow, my sister

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<v Speaker 2>still lives at Huntington. I was just there, yeah to go,

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, love them funny.

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<v Speaker 3>So you started out more as a music artist versus

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<v Speaker 3>like a stage actor, is that right?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Yeah. So I grew up on Long Island at

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<v Speaker 2>in New York City, and I grew up playing in

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<v Speaker 2>rock bands. Wow, yeah, I was. I spent you know,

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<v Speaker 2>my my high school years, my college years playing in bands,

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<v Speaker 2>playing all the all the clubs in the city, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, doing that whole circuit and trying to get

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<v Speaker 2>a record deal and trying to become a rock star.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. That was that was what I was focused

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<v Speaker 2>on in those years, and and theater was not something

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<v Speaker 2>that I had ever considered as a career path because

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<v Speaker 2>quite frankly, for people like me at the time, it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't a career path right back in the mid nineties,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, there wasn't a plethora of people that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of came out of nowhere and didn't have any training

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<v Speaker 2>and all of a sudden they're on Broadway, Like I

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<v Speaker 2>might have been the first one. So you know, like

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<v Speaker 2>so it just never occurred that that that would be

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<v Speaker 2>something I could pursue. And until it happened that I realized,

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<v Speaker 2>oh wow, this is but but you know, it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>it became so it became such a logical extension to

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<v Speaker 2>who I was, you know, and and and and it

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<v Speaker 2>and also the way that I sing. I used to

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<v Speaker 2>get from guys and bands all the time they're like,

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<v Speaker 2>stop singing with amos vibrato, Like I'm sorry, man, that's

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<v Speaker 2>how I sing, you know, I think you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>always had you know, it was always that kind of

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<v Speaker 2>rock but sort of you know, I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>say Broadway sounding, but you know, sort of a bigger

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<v Speaker 2>sounding voice, you know, because those are the guys that

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<v Speaker 2>I was attracted to as growing up as as as singers.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, all of these you know, high tenor and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not a high tenor but all of these you

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<v Speaker 2>know high tenor Freddy Likedy exactly for Mercury and Steve

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<v Speaker 2>Perry and and you know Lou Graham and all of

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<v Speaker 2>these guys that were my heroes, you know, and I

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<v Speaker 2>just I just screamed my head off for hours a

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<v Speaker 2>day for years, you know, trying to sound like them.

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<v Speaker 3>What a perfect departure, I guess or transition into Rent, though, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, what a perfect score and like what music

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<v Speaker 3>to sing? So how did how did Rent come to you?

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<v Speaker 3>And what was that whole journey?

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<v Speaker 2>Like? So, Idina Menzielle and I grew up down the

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<v Speaker 2>street from each other. She is also a ssiasid High

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<v Speaker 2>school graduate, Right.

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<v Speaker 1>I forgot about that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, so so I. Dina and her boyfriend at the time, Glenn,

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<v Speaker 2>she had been cast in the show and they and

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<v Speaker 2>and so she knew that they were having trouble h

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<v Speaker 2>casting the role of Roger, and so they thought of

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<v Speaker 2>me and they were like, he's a rock singer whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>They called me up. They were like, a, Dina's doing

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<v Speaker 2>the show. It's gonna run like four weeks off Broadway,

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<v Speaker 2>and is it something you'd never be interested in auditioning for?

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, well, I've never auditioned for anything before.

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<v Speaker 2>What do I do? They They're like, I think you

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<v Speaker 2>just go down with your guitar and sing a song.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, all right, sure. You know, I

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<v Speaker 2>had just broken up with the band that I'd been

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<v Speaker 2>with all of those years, and I was like looking

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<v Speaker 2>for my next thing. I certainly never thought that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I always thought my next thing would just be another band.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's you know, but this opportunity came along and

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<v Speaker 2>it just, you know, one thing just led to another

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<v Speaker 2>and and it all of you know, I have four

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<v Speaker 2>auditions in that week, and then by the end of

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<v Speaker 2>the week, you know, they had given me the part.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, I often get asked like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>what what was your reaction when you got cast? Is

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<v Speaker 2>Roger and Rent And I have to remind people that, like,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not.

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<v Speaker 1>Later exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>My reaction was how am I going to keep my job?

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<v Speaker 2>How many go to rehearsals and keep this job?

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<v Speaker 4>You know?

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<v Speaker 3>So right, yeah, I mean there's something to that, right,

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<v Speaker 3>Like people always ask us like did you know it

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<v Speaker 3>was special?

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<v Speaker 1>Or like, what was it like getting cast in the show?

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, you can only hope that something special

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<v Speaker 3>happens with it, but that's not really what you're hoping for.

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<v Speaker 1>You're hoping for a really.

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<v Speaker 3>Good time and to have a great job and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>to do good work.

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<v Speaker 2>And lots of experiences are very special. They don't necessarily

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<v Speaker 2>go on to be huge successes, but they're still there.

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<v Speaker 2>They can be equally memorable as memorable and special, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Now I'm curious, though, like, because you you were there

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<v Speaker 3>from the beginning and the inception of this thing that

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<v Speaker 3>is now rent, Like, what was it like hearing that

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<v Speaker 3>music for the first time and needing Jonathan, and like

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<v Speaker 3>who was he at this point to you? Like, because

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<v Speaker 3>so few people get to talk about him and experience him,

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<v Speaker 3>because you know, it was so tragic.

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<v Speaker 2>But my, my, I, as you can imagine, I get

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<v Speaker 2>asked this often and my answer is usually disappointing to people,

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<v Speaker 2>which is that I didn't know Jonathan that well. I

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<v Speaker 2>knew John I was cast in the show in you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the December of ninety five, so at the end, and

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<v Speaker 2>Jonathan passed away in January, right six, so I only

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<v Speaker 2>knew him for like four weeks, you know, and during

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<v Speaker 2>most of that time we were in rehearsal and we

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<v Speaker 2>were working, so there wasn't a lot of socializing going on.

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<v Speaker 2>So I unfortunately, like everybody else, right out on his presence,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, in my in all of our lives, and

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<v Speaker 2>so you know, the few times I sat with him

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<v Speaker 2>and talked with him were great, and he was a

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<v Speaker 2>lovely guy. I wish I knew him better, you know, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>like everybody else wish they knew you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, no, that makes total sense.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I'm I'm curious though, like because he became

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<v Speaker 3>so he became so infamous after for his his work

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<v Speaker 3>and his art, and you guys got to keep that alive, right,

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<v Speaker 3>and you got to almost see him as the figure

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<v Speaker 3>that he never got to see himself as. What was

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<v Speaker 3>like that journey like after and the successive rent after

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<v Speaker 3>you guys opened and you went a Broadway and you

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<v Speaker 3>know that kind of like momentum went right, I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>It was, it was. It was so much bittersweet irony,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like like exactly, like especially with my character

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<v Speaker 2>in particular, because my character was the musician and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and my character was the character who's you know, one

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<v Speaker 2>desire in the show, in the story was to create

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<v Speaker 2>some something wonderful. He wanted to write a song that

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<v Speaker 2>people would remember after he was gone, you know, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and that was what he was striving for. That's what

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<v Speaker 2>kept him, That's what kept him motivated, and that's what

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<v Speaker 2>kept Jonathan motivated. And it was it was the show

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<v Speaker 2>that Jonathan wrote. And then he ended up in many

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<v Speaker 2>ways living that well or not living through that experience,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, by but but but he but he achieved

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<v Speaker 2>what he wanted to achieve. He just didn't see it,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. But but but again, if you think about

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<v Speaker 2>the character, the whole thing was what to achieve it

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<v Speaker 2>after I'm gone, you know what I mean? He literally

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<v Speaker 2>did that. And then for me personally, you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>always wanted to be a songwriter and an artist and

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<v Speaker 2>a singer and all of those things. And I, through

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<v Speaker 2>that character and that song, also achieved the things that

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<v Speaker 2>I was striving for by by now being connected so

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<v Speaker 2>closely with that show and that music and specifically again

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<v Speaker 2>that song about what he's saying. So it's it's there's

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<v Speaker 2>so much sort of intercellular connection between the show, me, Jonathan's,

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<v Speaker 2>that song, all of that stuff. It's it's it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>been I've thought about it a lot over the year.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure, I'm sure.

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<v Speaker 3>And then even like the the tic tic boom of

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<v Speaker 3>it all, where you get to see that journey, but

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<v Speaker 3>we didn't get to see him in that time. Like

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<v Speaker 3>it's just it's really, I don't know, it's very it's

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<v Speaker 3>beautiful and tragic and special in all the ways. And

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<v Speaker 3>you were just so deeply connected with it, so so fascinating.

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<v Speaker 2>But you asked before when I thought about the music,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, when I first heard the music, I have

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<v Speaker 2>to be honest, I was so the first thing I

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<v Speaker 2>heard was so I went and auditioned, and and and

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<v Speaker 2>after my first audition, they gave me, Bernie Telsey gave

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<v Speaker 2>me a cassette copy of one song, Glory to go

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<v Speaker 2>home and learn. And it was it was Jonathan Larson

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<v Speaker 2>singing it, you know, and on his little t and

0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:41.800
<v Speaker 2>Jonathan was not a great singer, and so and I was.

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<v Speaker 2>I was kind of underwhelmed. I was like, this is

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<v Speaker 2>a rock musical, quite so, and I and and and

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<v Speaker 2>then I remember, of course, and then it grew on me,

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<v Speaker 2>and once I started to sing it, it started to

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<v Speaker 2>make sense to me, you know. So yeah, on an

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<v Speaker 2>emotional and musical level. But and then I remember starting rehearsals.

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<v Speaker 2>The first song we learned together was Seasons of Love,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, these are the weirdest lyrics, all

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<v Speaker 2>these numbers and all this stuff like it was so

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<v Speaker 2>it was so weird to me.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you heard love you whatever You're like.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, what is all this stuff? They literally

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<v Speaker 2>gave us like a you know, an information sheet so

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<v Speaker 2>that we would know who all of these people that

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<v Speaker 2>we were talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>That's funny. Yeah, the dramaturgy of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I didn't have these references, you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know what they were. And so, yes, the music

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<v Speaker 2>it was it was interesting. Look, I came from a

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<v Speaker 2>world of you know, certainly at that time, this is

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<v Speaker 2>mid nineties, I was I was head over into Sound

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<v Speaker 2>Garden and Pearl Jam and you know, yeah chains and

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<v Speaker 2>all of that stuff like that was the rock music

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<v Speaker 2>that I was listening to at the time. So when

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<v Speaker 2>I heard rock musical, of course, I was expecting to

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<v Speaker 2>hear something along those lines. And clearly that's not the

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<v Speaker 2>case now.

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<v Speaker 3>But there's just so the show is so beautifully dynamic

0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:03.080
<v Speaker 3>and newtin from the sung dialogue, you know of the

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<v Speaker 3>the opera of it all, but then there's these like

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<v Speaker 3>beautifully melodic songs and you know, like what you own

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, I'll cover you all. It's just it's

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<v Speaker 3>absolutely brilliant and obviously everybody you know, that's why it's

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<v Speaker 3>such a massive hit that lives on forever. But you

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<v Speaker 3>guys really did like reinvent what Broadway could be for

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of artists and a lot of producers and

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<v Speaker 3>creatives to say, like, oh wow, like Broadway doesn't have

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<v Speaker 3>to be Rogers and Hammerstein, it doesn't have to be

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<v Speaker 3>you know, these insanely classical, you know, traditional music. So

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<v Speaker 3>I'm curious, like that must have been very exciting for

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<v Speaker 3>you as a rock artist and a rock fan, and

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<v Speaker 3>but what would do you remember what that was like

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<v Speaker 3>in the time when when you guys were around and

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<v Speaker 3>when it started to really like some momentum started to hit.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean it's only in hindsight that you can

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<v Speaker 2>see the effect that it happened on the art form

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<v Speaker 2>and everything that came after us. At the time, it was,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, there was so much going on so fast,

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<v Speaker 2>all at once. You know, I'm sure you can ask

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<v Speaker 2>any of any of the kids that were in Hamilton,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and like it's just there's so much happening

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<v Speaker 2>every night, every night, you know what I mean. And

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<v Speaker 2>then on top of that, of course, you know, Jonathan

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<v Speaker 2>died and so like you know, am envious of all

0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:22.280
<v Speaker 2>those kids in Hamilton is that they didn't have this

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<v Speaker 2>looming black cloud over their experience in the same way

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<v Speaker 2>that we, you know, and the maybe self inflicted burden

0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:36.400
<v Speaker 2>of need to feel to carry that weight and that

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<v Speaker 2>message and Jonathan and what he was trying to do

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<v Speaker 2>and all of that stuff. You know, like we internally

0:15:41.440 --> 0:15:43.520
<v Speaker 2>that we really felt like we were the champions of that.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, and I tell you know, I work

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<v Speaker 2>with so many students and so many kids, especially working

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<v Speaker 2>on that show, and I always say to them, look,

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<v Speaker 2>it is not your responsibility to carry any burden, to

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<v Speaker 2>to to put forth any message. It's your job to

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<v Speaker 2>have fun and tell a story. If an audience going

0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:03.080
<v Speaker 2>to get a message from it, great, but it's not

0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:05.000
<v Speaker 2>your job to cram it down their throat or feel

0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:07.880
<v Speaker 2>like it's your responsibility to carry that because it's not

0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:10.480
<v Speaker 2>for actors. And you know, and I wish I could

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<v Speaker 2>have told the old me that thirty years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. Wow, that's profound fun fact.

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<v Speaker 3>I was actually opening on Broadway the same year you

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<v Speaker 3>guys open event.

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<v Speaker 1>I was doing The King and I Danille Simon in six.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So okay, I'm gonna tell you a funny story.

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<v Speaker 2>Then you'll appreciate this. It's not my story, it's Anthony Repp, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's one of my favorite stories, and I always

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<v Speaker 2>make him tell it. So when Anthony was a little kid,

0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:37.360
<v Speaker 2>he he was in The King and I on the

0:16:37.400 --> 0:16:38.960
<v Speaker 2>national tour. I think it was like one of his

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<v Speaker 2>first jobs. So now I don't I'm not familiar with

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<v Speaker 2>the show. So I'm going to explain something to you,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're gonna know what I'm talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure.

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<v Speaker 2>At the end of the show, the King is laid

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<v Speaker 2>out and I and I dying or he's dead or

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<v Speaker 2>whatever it is.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, he's died.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, And a little kid comes comes and says something

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<v Speaker 2>like mother, the ship is something like this. Some kid

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<v Speaker 2>says something right, So that was yes, right, yeah, So

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<v Speaker 2>he comes out to deliver his line and he goes

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<v Speaker 2>mother and you'l Brenner is on the tour. J'l Brenner,

0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:11.840
<v Speaker 2>who's lying dead goes Louder.

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<v Speaker 3>Ah, oh my, that is brilliant.

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<v Speaker 1>That's really good. That's really good. Thank you for that. Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>He was the son of Yeah, that's right. Oh how exciting.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So the movie, I'm curious, Uh, this was a

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<v Speaker 3>long time after the rise of the show and everything,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm curious, like, what your thoughts, what, how did

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<v Speaker 3>the movie? How was it presented to you guys, And

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<v Speaker 3>what was the process of like revisiting that in the

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<v Speaker 3>screen form and just the experience overall and the movie

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<v Speaker 3>just like yeah, so as.

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<v Speaker 2>You can imagine, very quickly, as soon as the show

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<v Speaker 2>became popular, talk of a movie became a subject. You know,

0:18:24.320 --> 0:18:26.000
<v Speaker 2>the movie, the movie. Is there gonna be a movie?

0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:28.919
<v Speaker 2>Is there gonna be a movie? At some point early on,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was in the late nineties, somebody had written

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<v Speaker 2>a script and Spike Lee had it, and Spike Lee

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<v Speaker 2>was going to direct it. Wow, But he didn't want

0:18:39.160 --> 0:18:41.680
<v Speaker 2>any of us in it, and so it was gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be some other version. And I always heard rumors that

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<v Speaker 2>there was gonna be like justin Timberlake, is gonna play

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<v Speaker 2>Roger and Christine everywhere? Is gonna play Beaming Like I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, if any it usually happened. That's actually true,

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<v Speaker 2>but those, of course were the rumors at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, that whole thing just disappeared and went away.

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<v Speaker 2>And and you know, literally cut to two thousand and

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<v Speaker 2>five or four or whenever it was, and I get

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<v Speaker 2>a call from my agent saying, the Rent movie is happening.

0:19:07.000 --> 0:19:10.040
<v Speaker 2>Chris Columbus is directing it, and he's very interested in

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<v Speaker 2>having you know, as many of the original cast as

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<v Speaker 2>he can go meet, yeah, you know, and I was like, okay,

0:19:17.200 --> 0:19:19.679
<v Speaker 2>So I went and went and met with him, and

0:19:19.720 --> 0:19:23.040
<v Speaker 2>he was just lovely and just the biggest Rent fan

0:19:23.080 --> 0:19:24.920
<v Speaker 2>and super excited, and he hired me, you know, and

0:19:25.440 --> 0:19:28.159
<v Speaker 2>and I mean it was it was really exciting. It

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<v Speaker 2>was so much fun to be able to bring it

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<v Speaker 2>to the screen, you know. Anyway, it was you know,

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<v Speaker 2>of course we missed some of the original cast members

0:19:35.400 --> 0:19:38.000
<v Speaker 2>that weren't there. Daphne wasn't there or whatever, but they

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<v Speaker 2>they did a wonderful job of, you know, bringing on

0:19:42.160 --> 0:19:48.639
<v Speaker 2>Rosario and Tracy Toms and it felt very comfortable and

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<v Speaker 2>natural and doing those scenes. Doing all of those scenes

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<v Speaker 2>on screen was very similar to what we all did

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<v Speaker 2>on stage. You know, I I would venture to say

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<v Speaker 2>I did pretty much the same performance on screen as

0:20:04.280 --> 0:20:06.359
<v Speaker 2>I did on stage. You know, you make adjustments for

0:20:06.440 --> 0:20:09.399
<v Speaker 2>camera and lighting, and you know, make technical adjustments, but

0:20:10.480 --> 0:20:12.359
<v Speaker 2>the performance was essentially the same.

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<v Speaker 1>It really was.

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<v Speaker 3>And it was so nice to see most of you guys,

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<v Speaker 3>a majority of the cast there, because I feel like

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of the time when they do Hollywood, you know,

0:20:23.840 --> 0:20:28.120
<v Speaker 3>a movie from a stage production, they often do recast

0:20:28.160 --> 0:20:31.280
<v Speaker 3>it and you're hearing and sometimes I can be very

0:20:31.280 --> 0:20:33.480
<v Speaker 3>refreshing and you can hear new voices and a new

0:20:33.520 --> 0:20:36.240
<v Speaker 3>take on the character. But for Ren, because it was

0:20:36.320 --> 0:20:39.600
<v Speaker 3>so iconic, I guess, you know, there was something about

0:20:39.640 --> 0:20:40.920
<v Speaker 3>it that I was like, I don't think I want

0:20:40.920 --> 0:20:44.080
<v Speaker 3>to hear anybody else do this in this rendition, which

0:20:44.119 --> 0:20:46.440
<v Speaker 3>is so nice that you guys were able to do.

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<v Speaker 1>That was I'm curious about.

0:20:49.119 --> 0:20:53.320
<v Speaker 3>Like the the removal of the opera and the obviously

0:20:53.960 --> 0:20:57.840
<v Speaker 3>you know, the dialogue and bringing that dialogue to life

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<v Speaker 3>without singing.

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<v Speaker 1>It was that weird for you guys.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you have any part of say, And I'm just

0:21:04.119 --> 0:21:08.520
<v Speaker 3>curious because on one hand, I was like, I think

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<v Speaker 3>the part of the magic is the opera right of it,

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<v Speaker 3>and then on the other hand, like, yeah, you have

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<v Speaker 3>to make adjustments for screen and that I just I.

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<v Speaker 2>Think, you know, I have my feelings about the movie,

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<v Speaker 2>but that I think worked great. You know, like I

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think that that was an issue. I think

0:21:29.520 --> 0:21:30.720
<v Speaker 2>it was the right choice.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you know I.

0:21:33.720 --> 0:21:35.760
<v Speaker 2>Think that that. Yeah, I think it was the right choice.

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<v Speaker 2>And it wasn't. It didn't feel strange at all because

0:21:40.840 --> 0:21:43.560
<v Speaker 2>we because the numbers were still the numbers, you know

0:21:43.560 --> 0:21:45.480
<v Speaker 2>what I mean, And so there was these added scenes

0:21:45.480 --> 0:21:47.000
<v Speaker 2>and there was a lot of added dialogue and stuff,

0:21:47.760 --> 0:21:50.119
<v Speaker 2>and look, you know, it was it was an experiment

0:21:50.200 --> 0:21:52.919
<v Speaker 2>from from from the top. Like Chris didn't go in

0:21:52.960 --> 0:21:56.400
<v Speaker 2>there going Okay, I know exactly what I'm doing. Really

0:21:56.560 --> 0:21:58.359
<v Speaker 2>every day it was like we would have them, not

0:21:58.400 --> 0:22:00.560
<v Speaker 2>every day, but like often we would have meetings with

0:22:00.640 --> 0:22:02.640
<v Speaker 2>Chris and he would say to us, and I think

0:22:02.680 --> 0:22:04.840
<v Speaker 2>that the reason, one of the reasons he wanted us

0:22:04.880 --> 0:22:07.640
<v Speaker 2>is because he wanted our input in terms in terms

0:22:07.640 --> 0:22:12.800
<v Speaker 2>of how race because he either you know, yea. So

0:22:12.840 --> 0:22:14.760
<v Speaker 2>we would sit down a lot and talk about how

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<v Speaker 2>we were going to shoot the scene and you know

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<v Speaker 2>what we you know, and it was a very collaborative process.

0:22:21.080 --> 0:22:27.120
<v Speaker 2>He was so wonderful in in how he incorporated our thoughts,

0:22:27.520 --> 0:22:30.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, into his decision making. You know, of course

0:22:30.880 --> 0:22:33.280
<v Speaker 2>he was the final decider on everything that happened, but

0:22:33.520 --> 0:22:35.359
<v Speaker 2>he wanted to know what we thought, you know, and

0:22:35.400 --> 0:22:37.440
<v Speaker 2>that was really that was really great, you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>and and we all very much appreciated that consideration.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, definitely.

0:22:44.600 --> 0:22:47.480
<v Speaker 3>It's just it's reminiscent of working on a TV show

0:22:47.480 --> 0:22:50.000
<v Speaker 3>where you have guest directors weekly that come in and

0:22:50.000 --> 0:22:52.800
<v Speaker 3>out of your house, and you know, these characters back

0:22:52.800 --> 0:22:55.840
<v Speaker 3>front for you know, inside out, and they're coming in saying,

0:22:56.480 --> 0:22:59.760
<v Speaker 3>you know, let me guide the ship, but also be respectful.

0:22:59.200 --> 0:23:01.040
<v Speaker 1>Of the people who have been in this house forever.

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<v Speaker 3>So there, I think there's a level that it's similar

0:23:04.920 --> 0:23:07.920
<v Speaker 3>because you guys have done this before for a very

0:23:07.960 --> 0:23:10.639
<v Speaker 3>long time and helped kind of the genesis of it,

0:23:10.720 --> 0:23:12.359
<v Speaker 3>so that that definitely makes sense.

0:23:12.880 --> 0:23:14.720
<v Speaker 2>There was a big dramatic scene that had a lot

0:23:14.720 --> 0:23:18.000
<v Speaker 2>of dialogue and he ended up cutting it out of

0:23:18.000 --> 0:23:20.080
<v Speaker 2>the movie, and I was like, oh man, that was

0:23:20.119 --> 0:23:21.400
<v Speaker 2>the best scene. They might cut that.

0:23:21.320 --> 0:23:25.320
<v Speaker 3>Out, but the second part of Goodbye Lhybe that's what Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:23:25.400 --> 0:23:25.719
<v Speaker 3>that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>That's exactly right. And also, look and Christmas Bells, you know,

0:23:29.760 --> 0:23:33.040
<v Speaker 2>like Christmas Bells is my favorite number in the show.

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<v Speaker 2>It's my favorite. It's my favorite number. And it's not

0:23:36.119 --> 0:23:40.320
<v Speaker 2>in the movie. But quite frankly, like I didn't know

0:23:40.359 --> 0:23:42.679
<v Speaker 2>what to do, Like, like the reason it's not in

0:23:42.680 --> 0:23:45.080
<v Speaker 2>the movie is not because we shot it and then

0:23:45.200 --> 0:23:46.720
<v Speaker 2>it was like, oh, this isn't working, let me cut

0:23:46.760 --> 0:23:49.840
<v Speaker 2>it out. We never shot it. Nobody had any idea

0:23:49.840 --> 0:23:51.879
<v Speaker 2>of what to do and had to shoot that number,

0:23:51.920 --> 0:23:53.040
<v Speaker 2>and so it was like, it's not going to be

0:23:53.040 --> 0:23:56.119
<v Speaker 2>in the movie. Yeah, And look, sometimes sometimes big changes

0:23:56.160 --> 0:23:58.600
<v Speaker 2>happen in these things. I remember, you know, we were

0:23:58.600 --> 0:24:02.560
<v Speaker 2>talking about Hair. The original ending of Hair was not

0:24:02.720 --> 0:24:04.760
<v Speaker 2>how it ends in the movie. You know, Burger dies

0:24:04.800 --> 0:24:06.920
<v Speaker 2>at the end of the movie. Claude dies at the

0:24:07.000 --> 0:24:10.240
<v Speaker 2>end of the show, right, I got to be honest

0:24:10.240 --> 0:24:12.199
<v Speaker 2>with you, I thought the movie was so much more

0:24:12.240 --> 0:24:14.480
<v Speaker 2>effective in that ending, in the way they did that.

0:24:14.600 --> 0:24:18.240
<v Speaker 2>I just thought I was like, oh my god, Burger,

0:24:18.320 --> 0:24:21.160
<v Speaker 2>Like I just like, you know, I to that hit hard?

0:24:21.280 --> 0:24:23.960
<v Speaker 2>So that hits so hard? It's hard?

0:24:24.880 --> 0:24:28.560
<v Speaker 1>It does it does? What about Seasons of Love?

0:24:29.200 --> 0:24:32.240
<v Speaker 3>Like, why did you guys move Seasons of Love to

0:24:32.359 --> 0:24:33.880
<v Speaker 3>the top of the movie.

0:24:34.400 --> 0:24:38.920
<v Speaker 2>I think's decision was because as it works great as

0:24:38.960 --> 0:24:41.680
<v Speaker 2>an opening of the second act, but it's very theatrical,

0:24:41.760 --> 0:24:45.480
<v Speaker 2>it's very of the stage, and it would have broken

0:24:45.640 --> 0:24:48.240
<v Speaker 2>up the pace of the movie to all of a sudden,

0:24:48.359 --> 0:24:51.840
<v Speaker 2>have this, this this performance on a stage of all

0:24:51.880 --> 0:24:54.200
<v Speaker 2>of these you know, it just didn't have a place

0:24:54.280 --> 0:24:56.159
<v Speaker 2>in the movie. The only place that really had was

0:24:56.200 --> 0:24:58.080
<v Speaker 2>either at the beginning of the end the.

0:24:58.119 --> 0:25:00.920
<v Speaker 1>End, right, Okay, no, no, I'm that makes sense. That's

0:25:01.000 --> 0:25:01.560
<v Speaker 1>very enlightening.

0:25:02.440 --> 0:25:05.280
<v Speaker 3>And you and Anthony have had a long journey together

0:25:06.080 --> 0:25:10.000
<v Speaker 3>and now are performing shows together at like fifty four

0:25:10.040 --> 0:25:13.840
<v Speaker 3>below and beyond. Can you talk a little bit about like, yeah,

0:25:13.880 --> 0:25:15.320
<v Speaker 3>you know, you guys have worked together.

0:25:15.400 --> 0:25:20.720
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, very soon after we stopped doing Rent together,

0:25:20.880 --> 0:25:22.760
<v Speaker 2>one of the things I started doing was going out

0:25:22.800 --> 0:25:25.000
<v Speaker 2>and performing you know, gigs and stuff on my own

0:25:25.040 --> 0:25:28.119
<v Speaker 2>and whatever. And I would always I would get asked

0:25:28.160 --> 0:25:30.399
<v Speaker 2>often like, hey, you and Anthony ever do anything together?

0:25:30.440 --> 0:25:32.680
<v Speaker 2>You and Anthony. Now, Anthony had put out a solo record.

0:25:32.680 --> 0:25:34.520
<v Speaker 2>He wasn't out gigging, but he had a solo record

0:25:34.520 --> 0:25:36.919
<v Speaker 2>out that was great. Yeah, And I think I just

0:25:36.960 --> 0:25:38.640
<v Speaker 2>went literally went to him one day and was like, hey,

0:25:38.640 --> 0:25:41.000
<v Speaker 2>you want to do some gigs together. You know, I

0:25:41.000 --> 0:25:43.520
<v Speaker 2>have some people that are interested. And he was like, yeah, sure,

0:25:43.960 --> 0:25:47.040
<v Speaker 2>and like honestly, that's how it started. And we've done

0:25:47.040 --> 0:25:49.480
<v Speaker 2>so many different kinds of shows together over the years,

0:25:49.520 --> 0:25:51.960
<v Speaker 2>like you know, different types of performances. For a long time,

0:25:51.960 --> 0:25:55.240
<v Speaker 2>we would do acoustic performances where I would do a

0:25:55.240 --> 0:25:56.679
<v Speaker 2>set and he would do a set, and then we

0:25:56.720 --> 0:25:59.280
<v Speaker 2>would do like, you know, maybe fifteen minutes together. What

0:25:59.359 --> 0:26:01.600
<v Speaker 2>we hear past couple of years was, you know, we

0:26:01.680 --> 0:26:04.080
<v Speaker 2>put a full band together and we decided, you know,

0:26:04.160 --> 0:26:06.439
<v Speaker 2>let's just both be on stage the whole time like

0:26:06.480 --> 0:26:09.800
<v Speaker 2>a rock It's not me, it's us the whole time.

0:26:10.119 --> 0:26:14.399
<v Speaker 2>And that's been the most successful. All people want to

0:26:14.400 --> 0:26:15.240
<v Speaker 2>see us together and.

0:26:15.200 --> 0:26:18.000
<v Speaker 1>Here are right. Yeah.

0:26:18.119 --> 0:26:20.159
<v Speaker 2>So it's been so much fun for us to to

0:26:20.200 --> 0:26:22.359
<v Speaker 2>be able to do that and and and you know

0:26:22.480 --> 0:26:25.920
<v Speaker 2>sort of present our arrangements of it. There's a lot

0:26:25.960 --> 0:26:28.639
<v Speaker 2>of pop and rock stuff like it's it's not you know,

0:26:28.680 --> 0:26:30.560
<v Speaker 2>it's not. As a matter of fact, I would say

0:26:30.560 --> 0:26:33.040
<v Speaker 2>that theater stuff is the least of what we do.

0:26:33.840 --> 0:26:35.800
<v Speaker 2>And you know it's a surprise to people, but the

0:26:35.840 --> 0:26:37.840
<v Speaker 2>audiences end up loving it, you know, like we we

0:26:37.840 --> 0:26:42.840
<v Speaker 2>we interweave things together so it all makes a cohesive evening.

0:26:43.040 --> 0:26:44.679
<v Speaker 2>You know. It's not like we're just playing sort of

0:26:44.720 --> 0:26:46.560
<v Speaker 2>random rock songs, you know what I mean, Like they

0:26:46.560 --> 0:26:49.320
<v Speaker 2>all have like a reason. Yeah, and then they and

0:26:49.400 --> 0:26:51.520
<v Speaker 2>that and that they connect in ways to Rent and

0:26:51.560 --> 0:26:53.720
<v Speaker 2>things like that, so we try and tie it all in.

0:26:54.080 --> 0:26:56.640
<v Speaker 1>That's exciting. I mean, I would want to see you guys.

0:26:56.680 --> 0:26:59.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh you should come. We'll be back yeah January.

0:27:00.040 --> 0:27:10.200
<v Speaker 3>Good, Okay, all right, we'll definitely come back. You've done

0:27:10.200 --> 0:27:18.040
<v Speaker 3>a lot aita, I mean, jazz, It's crazy. Is Rent

0:27:18.080 --> 0:27:18.640
<v Speaker 3>your favorite?

0:27:18.720 --> 0:27:20.800
<v Speaker 1>Or do you have a favorite project that you've worked on?

0:27:21.560 --> 0:27:25.479
<v Speaker 2>Rent is not my favorite? And only because it's the

0:27:25.480 --> 0:27:28.399
<v Speaker 2>first thing I ever did, you know. Yeah, And you

0:27:28.400 --> 0:27:32.399
<v Speaker 2>know I've had so many wonderful experiences since then. I

0:27:32.400 --> 0:27:36.480
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't say it's any less than anything else, you know

0:27:36.480 --> 0:27:39.400
<v Speaker 2>what I mean. It's such it was such a unique experience,

0:27:40.320 --> 0:27:44.280
<v Speaker 2>and that I could really everything I've done since Rent

0:27:44.560 --> 0:27:47.200
<v Speaker 2>I could sort of compare against each other. But I

0:27:47.320 --> 0:27:50.800
<v Speaker 2>don't really compare Rent to any of those things, because

0:27:50.800 --> 0:27:53.840
<v Speaker 2>it's just such a unique inexperience and of course became

0:27:53.960 --> 0:27:59.240
<v Speaker 2>so enormously successful. Right So, but you know, over the years,

0:27:59.840 --> 0:28:02.000
<v Speaker 2>I love to laugh and I love to make people laugh,

0:28:02.000 --> 0:28:04.280
<v Speaker 2>and I've really you know, I love doing the musical

0:28:04.320 --> 0:28:08.359
<v Speaker 2>comedy stuff, you know, Disaster and something Rotten. And getting

0:28:08.400 --> 0:28:10.600
<v Speaker 2>to do things like that, you know, have been so

0:28:10.720 --> 0:28:14.240
<v Speaker 2>much even I just did Drag off Broadway, like, you know,

0:28:14.359 --> 0:28:17.680
<v Speaker 2>getting to do these things, to me, that's what's been

0:28:17.680 --> 0:28:21.159
<v Speaker 2>the most fun and the most exciting. And getting to

0:28:21.240 --> 0:28:23.639
<v Speaker 2>learn from, you know, my whole career, I've gotten to

0:28:23.720 --> 0:28:27.480
<v Speaker 2>learn from so many amazing artists who are better at

0:28:27.520 --> 0:28:29.199
<v Speaker 2>what they do than I am, you know, and so

0:28:29.520 --> 0:28:32.080
<v Speaker 2>to watch them and you know, maybe not the singing part,

0:28:32.280 --> 0:28:36.720
<v Speaker 2>but all the other stuff, you know. And so you know,

0:28:36.840 --> 0:28:41.520
<v Speaker 2>I very much you know, absorbed what everybody was offering

0:28:41.640 --> 0:28:44.240
<v Speaker 2>just by being around it, you know, like and I

0:28:44.280 --> 0:28:47.120
<v Speaker 2>continue to do that in my life wherever whatever I

0:28:47.200 --> 0:28:49.600
<v Speaker 2>venture into, if it's something new, I don't want to

0:28:49.640 --> 0:28:51.200
<v Speaker 2>do it alone. I want to do it with somebody

0:28:51.200 --> 0:28:53.040
<v Speaker 2>who's already done it and is really good.

0:28:52.800 --> 0:28:56.479
<v Speaker 3>At you know, right right right right, you know, sure

0:28:57.040 --> 0:28:59.479
<v Speaker 3>did you always have a really good voice or did

0:28:59.520 --> 0:29:02.160
<v Speaker 3>it take a lot of training or like where did

0:29:02.160 --> 0:29:03.000
<v Speaker 3>the voice come from?

0:29:03.040 --> 0:29:04.440
<v Speaker 1>Where was the voice? Discovering?

0:29:04.800 --> 0:29:07.960
<v Speaker 2>It happened, you know, I discovered, you know, at an

0:29:08.040 --> 0:29:10.240
<v Speaker 2>early age. The earliest things I can remember singing were

0:29:10.280 --> 0:29:14.480
<v Speaker 2>like Barry Manilow songs in the seventies as a little kid,

0:29:14.560 --> 0:29:18.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, I was six seven years old. And then

0:29:18.880 --> 0:29:22.160
<v Speaker 2>I remember I remember discovering like Elton John and Billy

0:29:22.280 --> 0:29:25.080
<v Speaker 2>Joel like those songs when I was little and singing

0:29:25.080 --> 0:29:29.280
<v Speaker 2>along to them, Simon and Garfunkel. I remember very specific

0:29:29.320 --> 0:29:32.080
<v Speaker 2>things from when I was very young, and ironically enough,

0:29:32.720 --> 0:29:35.440
<v Speaker 2>the cast album of a chorus line, you know, things

0:29:35.440 --> 0:29:37.400
<v Speaker 2>that my parents would play in the car, you know

0:29:37.440 --> 0:29:40.320
<v Speaker 2>what I mean, that absorb and to this day, that's

0:29:40.360 --> 0:29:43.080
<v Speaker 2>my favorite cast album. I've never seen, you know, but

0:29:43.200 --> 0:29:45.160
<v Speaker 2>I can. I can sing every song I know everywhere.

0:29:46.000 --> 0:29:46.480
<v Speaker 1>It is great.

0:29:46.720 --> 0:29:50.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and so so I just started singing and realized

0:29:50.240 --> 0:29:53.840
<v Speaker 2>that it felt good, and I thought it sounded pretty good,

0:29:53.880 --> 0:29:55.480
<v Speaker 2>you know. And then when I was like ten or

0:29:55.520 --> 0:30:00.360
<v Speaker 2>eleven years old and MTV debuted and sort of that

0:30:01.400 --> 0:30:04.240
<v Speaker 2>wave of like heavy metal bands that came along in

0:30:04.240 --> 0:30:07.760
<v Speaker 2>the early eighties, Like I was completely entranced by all

0:30:07.800 --> 0:30:11.280
<v Speaker 2>that stuff, and I started to sing along to those songs.

0:30:11.360 --> 0:30:14.040
<v Speaker 2>You know, these rock bands like Iron Maiden and a

0:30:14.040 --> 0:30:16.360
<v Speaker 2>guy named Ronnie James Dio and you know, all of

0:30:16.400 --> 0:30:20.360
<v Speaker 2>these like powerhouse hard rock singers that I just you

0:30:20.400 --> 0:30:22.200
<v Speaker 2>know that those were the guys I wanted to be.

0:30:22.240 --> 0:30:25.000
<v Speaker 2>Those were my heroes, and I spent you know, I

0:30:25.000 --> 0:30:27.520
<v Speaker 2>didn't have any formal training, but I would say I

0:30:27.640 --> 0:30:30.360
<v Speaker 2>practiced as much as anybody ever practice, because I would

0:30:30.400 --> 0:30:32.320
<v Speaker 2>sit up in my room for hours and hours a

0:30:32.400 --> 0:30:36.160
<v Speaker 2>day singing onto those records, you know, not as much

0:30:36.160 --> 0:30:39.640
<v Speaker 2>practice as anything else, you know. And and it's because

0:30:39.720 --> 0:30:43.240
<v Speaker 2>those guys, because they sounded the way they sounded, you know.

0:30:43.680 --> 0:30:48.960
<v Speaker 2>Dickinson from Iron Maiden is probably the single biggest influence

0:30:49.040 --> 0:30:52.680
<v Speaker 2>on my voice, I think, certainly, very those very formative

0:30:52.680 --> 0:30:55.520
<v Speaker 2>early teenage years, you know. And he has a very

0:30:55.560 --> 0:30:59.680
<v Speaker 2>strong operatic sound, and I wanted to do with sound

0:30:59.720 --> 0:31:02.160
<v Speaker 2>like him, and so that's where I developed. I think

0:31:02.200 --> 0:31:05.960
<v Speaker 2>a lot of that sound. And and it's only by

0:31:06.080 --> 0:31:09.960
<v Speaker 2>sheer luck. I think that my voice developed in a

0:31:10.120 --> 0:31:12.120
<v Speaker 2>in a healthy way, if that makes any sense.

0:31:12.920 --> 0:31:15.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I was going to ask about that, because you're

0:31:15.680 --> 0:31:17.560
<v Speaker 3>screaming a lot of the time, but you can't be

0:31:17.600 --> 0:31:20.320
<v Speaker 3>actually screaming, right, You're healthily screaming.

0:31:20.560 --> 0:31:24.959
<v Speaker 2>Right, I've developed you know what I couldn't. I couldn't

0:31:25.000 --> 0:31:26.920
<v Speaker 2>describe it to you. I couldn't tell you what proper

0:31:26.960 --> 0:31:29.160
<v Speaker 2>technique is, only to tell you that I know I

0:31:29.240 --> 0:31:32.480
<v Speaker 2>have it because because I've never lost my voice and

0:31:32.520 --> 0:31:34.160
<v Speaker 2>I've never had any vocal problems.

0:31:34.760 --> 0:31:36.240
<v Speaker 1>That is crazy.

0:31:36.400 --> 0:31:39.720
<v Speaker 2>And as I you know, as my career had gone

0:31:39.760 --> 0:31:43.440
<v Speaker 2>has gone on, I've certainly learned by being on stage

0:31:43.480 --> 0:31:46.720
<v Speaker 2>and doing theater how to take care voice in a

0:31:46.760 --> 0:31:50.080
<v Speaker 2>way that works for me, you know, you know, And

0:31:50.120 --> 0:31:52.440
<v Speaker 2>I work with the little vocal trainer, which I love,

0:31:52.480 --> 0:31:54.360
<v Speaker 2>that little thing that you know, like you blow into

0:31:54.720 --> 0:31:57.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm into it. That thing has changed my life. But

0:31:58.960 --> 0:32:01.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, I've I've been very lucky in that in

0:32:01.560 --> 0:32:04.360
<v Speaker 2>that I know how to do what I do.

0:32:05.400 --> 0:32:08.240
<v Speaker 1>Unreal, unreal. Yeah, that's crazy.

0:32:09.880 --> 0:32:13.320
<v Speaker 3>It's like, I don't know, your placement must be just perfect,

0:32:13.320 --> 0:32:16.520
<v Speaker 3>you just must have instinctally found that placement for yourself.

0:32:17.240 --> 0:32:20.000
<v Speaker 2>Well. Also, I do a lot of experimenting with my

0:32:20.120 --> 0:32:22.840
<v Speaker 2>voice and with trying to figure out how to make

0:32:22.880 --> 0:32:24.880
<v Speaker 2>certain sounds and hit certain notes and hit them in

0:32:24.920 --> 0:32:28.160
<v Speaker 2>certain ways. You know, that's important for singers to do,

0:32:28.680 --> 0:32:32.160
<v Speaker 2>is to go in a room by yourself and make

0:32:32.240 --> 0:32:34.760
<v Speaker 2>crazy sounds and make crazy noises, and try and do

0:32:34.840 --> 0:32:38.320
<v Speaker 2>crazy things with your voice, and see what what you're

0:32:38.360 --> 0:32:41.440
<v Speaker 2>capable of, See what hurts, what doesn't hurt? See you

0:32:41.440 --> 0:32:43.920
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean? And so that's how I have

0:32:44.040 --> 0:32:45.680
<v Speaker 2>figured out how to do a lot of this stuff

0:32:45.760 --> 0:32:48.440
<v Speaker 2>is just by playing around with my voice like a

0:32:48.640 --> 0:32:51.240
<v Speaker 2>like an instrument. You know what, what am I capable

0:32:51.280 --> 0:32:53.920
<v Speaker 2>of doing? You know what? What can what can I achieve?

0:32:53.960 --> 0:32:56.840
<v Speaker 2>How can I continue to push it? You know? My

0:32:56.960 --> 0:33:00.200
<v Speaker 2>upper and my lower you know what I mean? So

0:33:00.280 --> 0:33:03.400
<v Speaker 2>much of my formative years trying to push the upper

0:33:03.640 --> 0:33:06.640
<v Speaker 2>that I ignored the you know, the lower, my lower register,

0:33:06.960 --> 0:33:09.640
<v Speaker 2>and and and it's only in the last ten or

0:33:09.680 --> 0:33:10.720
<v Speaker 2>so years that I'm like.

0:33:11.320 --> 0:33:15.040
<v Speaker 4>I like to stay lower now kind it yeah and

0:33:15.120 --> 0:33:20.000
<v Speaker 4>so but but but it's it's been, it's been, and

0:33:20.080 --> 0:33:23.160
<v Speaker 4>it always is a process of experimentation with me with

0:33:23.360 --> 0:33:23.840
<v Speaker 4>my voice.

0:33:24.520 --> 0:33:28.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, I love that you're just still experimenting

0:33:28.120 --> 0:33:30.560
<v Speaker 3>and still learning as an artist, you know, even after

0:33:30.640 --> 0:33:34.160
<v Speaker 3>your incredible like career and all the things that you're doing.

0:33:34.240 --> 0:33:37.120
<v Speaker 3>And it sounds like you're teaching a lot and so

0:33:37.520 --> 0:33:40.360
<v Speaker 3>you're imparting a lot of this like learning wisdom on

0:33:40.920 --> 0:33:44.760
<v Speaker 3>younger aspiring actors, Like what has that been like for you?

0:33:44.920 --> 0:33:46.680
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think that that's that's the best thing

0:33:46.800 --> 0:33:49.480
<v Speaker 2>I can offer is my wisdom at this point in

0:33:49.800 --> 0:33:52.280
<v Speaker 2>having done this for you know, for decades. At this point,

0:33:52.600 --> 0:33:55.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm not a trained singer and I'm not

0:33:55.360 --> 0:33:59.200
<v Speaker 2>a trained actor, and so I can't I can't teach

0:33:59.240 --> 0:34:03.240
<v Speaker 2>somebody technique. You know, I'm not a vocal technician. I

0:34:03.280 --> 0:34:06.920
<v Speaker 2>can't I can't make somebody a good singer. I can't

0:34:06.960 --> 0:34:09.040
<v Speaker 2>tell them what to do. And because I don't know,

0:34:09.080 --> 0:34:12.080
<v Speaker 2>I've never done it right. So that's not my thing.

0:34:12.239 --> 0:34:13.960
<v Speaker 2>So and and there's a lot of people that are

0:34:14.000 --> 0:34:16.239
<v Speaker 2>really good at that and by all means do that.

0:34:16.280 --> 0:34:18.560
<v Speaker 2>I think what I offer as a teacher is just

0:34:19.120 --> 0:34:23.480
<v Speaker 2>is just knowledge wisdom of the of the life and

0:34:23.520 --> 0:34:27.279
<v Speaker 2>the world that a lot of these kids are striving for.

0:34:27.840 --> 0:34:31.600
<v Speaker 2>I think what I can offer them is to the

0:34:31.680 --> 0:34:34.359
<v Speaker 2>truth about what that is, the truth about what that

0:34:34.560 --> 0:34:37.840
<v Speaker 2>has been and what it is now and where it's going.

0:34:38.400 --> 0:34:42.319
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's very important for kids to who are

0:34:42.320 --> 0:34:44.600
<v Speaker 2>getting into show business. I have two sons and you know,

0:34:44.640 --> 0:34:46.720
<v Speaker 2>in their early twenties and they're both in show business

0:34:46.719 --> 0:34:49.439
<v Speaker 2>in one per or the other, you know, And it's

0:34:49.520 --> 0:34:53.719
<v Speaker 2>it's super important to see that what has all had,

0:34:53.760 --> 0:34:56.160
<v Speaker 2>what's come before us, is not what's in front of us.

0:34:56.760 --> 0:35:00.799
<v Speaker 2>And you can't you can't go about things in the

0:35:00.840 --> 0:35:04.040
<v Speaker 2>way that it's always been done. The way it's always

0:35:04.040 --> 0:35:07.120
<v Speaker 2>been done is over, and we are all collectively now

0:35:07.160 --> 0:35:09.439
<v Speaker 2>figuring out how it's going to continue to be done,

0:35:09.960 --> 0:35:13.080
<v Speaker 2>you know. And I think that it's very important for

0:35:13.880 --> 0:35:16.680
<v Speaker 2>people to realize that and to prepare for that, and

0:35:17.040 --> 0:35:19.839
<v Speaker 2>to know again, know what the realities of a life

0:35:19.880 --> 0:35:22.360
<v Speaker 2>in theater is like, you know. And I assure you

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's it's not glamorous because and look, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's you know, you're an artist, you're an actor,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what it's like. My perspective has always been,

0:35:31.640 --> 0:35:34.840
<v Speaker 2>my job is not to be a singer or an actor.

0:35:35.400 --> 0:35:39.120
<v Speaker 2>My job is to not quit this horrible business. That's

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<v Speaker 2>my job. The payoff is what I get to work,

0:35:45.680 --> 0:35:47.440
<v Speaker 2>is when I actually get a job and I get

0:35:47.480 --> 0:35:48.880
<v Speaker 2>to make some money and I get to do this

0:35:48.960 --> 0:35:51.080
<v Speaker 2>thing that I love to do. That's not the job,

0:35:51.400 --> 0:35:53.280
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. The job is not quitting

0:35:53.640 --> 0:35:55.960
<v Speaker 2>to me. That's why I always felt That's the way

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<v Speaker 2>I always sort of looked at it, is like, that's

0:35:58.920 --> 0:36:01.160
<v Speaker 2>that's the job, and it's a hard job, and you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know that, and so no, it's so hard, yeah, and.

0:36:04.080 --> 0:36:06.600
<v Speaker 2>So and I think it's I think it's important for

0:36:06.600 --> 0:36:11.839
<v Speaker 2>for for young artists to internalize that, you know, and

0:36:11.880 --> 0:36:15.640
<v Speaker 2>that most of your time is going to be fighting.

0:36:16.040 --> 0:36:19.280
<v Speaker 1>Yourself, knows, constant, fighting your.

0:36:19.160 --> 0:36:22.280
<v Speaker 2>Ego, fighting your you know, your all of the it's

0:36:22.440 --> 0:36:24.880
<v Speaker 2>that that's going to be what you're spending most of

0:36:24.920 --> 0:36:27.880
<v Speaker 2>the time doing, you know. Yeah, and as an actor,

0:36:28.960 --> 0:36:31.640
<v Speaker 2>the most frustrating thing as an actor. And I'm so

0:36:31.680 --> 0:36:34.480
<v Speaker 2>grateful that I that I play an instrument and that

0:36:34.600 --> 0:36:38.080
<v Speaker 2>I sing. You know, I encourage actors who don't sing

0:36:38.120 --> 0:36:42.040
<v Speaker 2>and don't play an instrument to do something where you

0:36:42.080 --> 0:36:46.480
<v Speaker 2>can practice your creativity in your art by yourself. The

0:36:46.560 --> 0:36:49.000
<v Speaker 2>thing about acting is that you can't do it in

0:36:49.040 --> 0:36:51.800
<v Speaker 2>a vacuum like you can do any other art form.

0:36:51.920 --> 0:36:54.080
<v Speaker 2>You know, you can sculpt, you can paint, you can

0:36:54.080 --> 0:36:56.240
<v Speaker 2>write music, you can sing, you can play an instrument.

0:36:56.280 --> 0:36:59.200
<v Speaker 2>You can do all of these things by yourself and

0:36:59.560 --> 0:37:02.960
<v Speaker 2>get for them. You can dance, right, you can't do

0:37:03.080 --> 0:37:05.840
<v Speaker 2>that with acting, you need an audience. It doesn't work

0:37:06.239 --> 0:37:08.480
<v Speaker 2>in a va. It doesn't work alone, you know what

0:37:08.520 --> 0:37:11.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean. You can't stand there and look at yourself

0:37:11.960 --> 0:37:14.719
<v Speaker 2>monologuing in a mirror and get any sense of satisfaction

0:37:14.800 --> 0:37:18.920
<v Speaker 2>out of that, you know, like it just so, it's

0:37:19.040 --> 0:37:22.440
<v Speaker 2>it's it's a very difficult profession to be and when

0:37:22.440 --> 0:37:25.000
<v Speaker 2>that's the only thing you do because you very rarely

0:37:25.080 --> 0:37:26.320
<v Speaker 2>get a sense of completion.

0:37:27.239 --> 0:37:30.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, and then once you do, you're chasing the

0:37:30.320 --> 0:37:33.160
<v Speaker 3>next one. So it's tough. I think that's why it

0:37:33.280 --> 0:37:36.080
<v Speaker 3>lends to like what you were talking about in the

0:37:36.120 --> 0:37:42.319
<v Speaker 3>future of this business and how you can create and

0:37:42.400 --> 0:37:45.080
<v Speaker 3>teach these young people to create on their own, to

0:37:45.160 --> 0:37:48.640
<v Speaker 3>get people together, to do things that fuel them, that

0:37:48.800 --> 0:37:51.760
<v Speaker 3>keep them going, and don't get bitter and don't lose

0:37:51.800 --> 0:37:55.160
<v Speaker 3>the love because in this business, after all these years,

0:37:55.600 --> 0:37:58.840
<v Speaker 3>it's very difficult to find the joy in it because

0:37:58.880 --> 0:38:00.959
<v Speaker 3>it is so difficult and challenge.

0:38:00.920 --> 0:38:05.719
<v Speaker 2>And we're only again as actors specifically, the only validation

0:38:05.840 --> 0:38:09.640
<v Speaker 2>you ever get is from other people, you know, like

0:38:09.880 --> 0:38:15.399
<v Speaker 2>we're constantly chasing somebody else's validation of our art, where again,

0:38:15.480 --> 0:38:18.000
<v Speaker 2>these other art forms you can go you know, what.

0:38:18.080 --> 0:38:19.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm a good singer, I know it. I don't need

0:38:19.520 --> 0:38:21.480
<v Speaker 2>anyone to tell me. Or I'm a great guitar player.

0:38:21.560 --> 0:38:23.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm a great I don't need other people to tell

0:38:23.960 --> 0:38:25.440
<v Speaker 2>me that, because I know I could sit in a

0:38:25.520 --> 0:38:27.799
<v Speaker 2>room and do it and do it really well. You

0:38:27.840 --> 0:38:30.440
<v Speaker 2>can't do that act and you need that response you

0:38:30.480 --> 0:38:33.800
<v Speaker 2>need And so I tell people, like listen, forget about

0:38:33.840 --> 0:38:36.160
<v Speaker 2>instruments and that stuff, that that's not something you're interested

0:38:36.200 --> 0:38:39.480
<v Speaker 2>in doing. Do a puzzle, Go mow the lawn. Do

0:38:39.600 --> 0:38:43.799
<v Speaker 2>things that you can do to completion where you finish it,

0:38:43.880 --> 0:38:46.359
<v Speaker 2>you know it's done, you know, and you know, and

0:38:46.400 --> 0:38:47.960
<v Speaker 2>you know you've done a good job, and you don't

0:38:48.000 --> 0:38:51.359
<v Speaker 2>need somebody else's validation to tell you that. I think

0:38:51.400 --> 0:38:54.360
<v Speaker 2>it's very important in life to have that. And as actors,

0:38:54.440 --> 0:38:56.400
<v Speaker 2>you never get that, you know.

0:38:56.400 --> 0:38:59.480
<v Speaker 1>You never get you know, Wow, what do you do

0:38:59.800 --> 0:39:00.200
<v Speaker 1>to you?

0:39:00.560 --> 0:39:02.480
<v Speaker 2>I mowed the lawn. I wish I could turn this

0:39:02.520 --> 0:39:05.319
<v Speaker 2>somewhereund and show you my enormous law that I'm mow

0:39:06.160 --> 0:39:09.560
<v Speaker 2>you know, and especially now I'm not kidding satisfying forward

0:39:09.600 --> 0:39:11.479
<v Speaker 2>to mowing the lawn. It keeps me off my stupid phone.

0:39:11.520 --> 0:39:13.880
<v Speaker 2>It keeps me off of social media. Yes, and it

0:39:13.920 --> 0:39:15.880
<v Speaker 2>gives me these things that you know, So I do

0:39:15.960 --> 0:39:18.040
<v Speaker 2>things like that, I do outdoor things, I chop would

0:39:18.080 --> 0:39:21.400
<v Speaker 2>I mow the lawn? I yes, I do the laundry,

0:39:21.480 --> 0:39:24.400
<v Speaker 2>I cook all my meal. I do these things because

0:39:24.760 --> 0:39:28.120
<v Speaker 2>they make me feel accomplished. And I don't need anyone

0:39:28.160 --> 0:39:31.520
<v Speaker 2>else to say, good, good boy, you did a good job.

0:39:31.560 --> 0:39:33.480
<v Speaker 2>You're talented, you know what I mean?

0:39:33.680 --> 0:39:36.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, or waiting around for them to let you.

0:39:36.520 --> 0:39:38.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, in that life that I need that, I needed

0:39:38.920 --> 0:39:40.840
<v Speaker 2>other people to pat me on the head. I just

0:39:40.920 --> 0:39:41.680
<v Speaker 2>I can't stand that.

0:39:42.719 --> 0:39:43.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:39:43.320 --> 0:39:45.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's a challenging part of it to find that

0:39:46.080 --> 0:39:49.040
<v Speaker 3>and to for people to be waiting around for you,

0:39:49.520 --> 0:39:51.360
<v Speaker 3>to wait around for other people to let you do

0:39:51.400 --> 0:39:52.240
<v Speaker 3>your job exactly.

0:39:52.320 --> 0:39:55.800
<v Speaker 1>That's like it's so difficult. But luckily we've.

0:39:55.920 --> 0:39:59.680
<v Speaker 3>Both had very fruitful careers where we have been able

0:39:59.719 --> 0:40:01.600
<v Speaker 3>to do that a lot and had a lot of

0:40:01.600 --> 0:40:04.600
<v Speaker 3>time to fill as well with mowing the lawn or

0:40:05.239 --> 0:40:06.240
<v Speaker 3>organizing your closet.

0:40:06.360 --> 0:40:09.320
<v Speaker 1>So, but finish, that's.

0:40:09.200 --> 0:40:11.680
<v Speaker 2>The that's the key. You have to finish the task.

0:40:12.200 --> 0:40:15.080
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, must complete finished.

0:40:15.480 --> 0:40:16.600
<v Speaker 2>That is what we're talking.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the Yeah, it's counterintuitive here we always ask all

0:40:22.400 --> 0:40:25.719
<v Speaker 3>of our guests who have come on the show, who

0:40:25.719 --> 0:40:27.880
<v Speaker 3>were affiliated with Glee and we're a part of it,

0:40:27.920 --> 0:40:29.759
<v Speaker 3>what is the feeling that Glee leaves you with? So

0:40:29.840 --> 0:40:31.600
<v Speaker 3>I've got to ask you what is the feeling that

0:40:31.800 --> 0:40:36.000
<v Speaker 3>Rent leaves you with, given that is was such a massive,

0:40:36.920 --> 0:40:38.040
<v Speaker 3>massive part of your life.

0:40:38.040 --> 0:40:43.600
<v Speaker 2>Gratitude, I mean, just gratitude at everything that it gave me,

0:40:43.800 --> 0:40:47.840
<v Speaker 2>everything that it continues to give me. Uh and and

0:40:47.840 --> 0:40:50.960
<v Speaker 2>and gratitude at being associated with something that is so

0:40:51.040 --> 0:40:56.239
<v Speaker 2>beautiful and that has moved so many people and continues

0:40:56.280 --> 0:40:59.839
<v Speaker 2>to and continues to affect and influence people. I mean,

0:41:00.480 --> 0:41:05.040
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't have more gratitude for being connected to something

0:41:05.080 --> 0:41:08.920
<v Speaker 2>like that. It's just the most incredible feeling. You know,

0:41:09.520 --> 0:41:12.120
<v Speaker 2>like people could be connected to a lot of different things,

0:41:12.400 --> 0:41:14.480
<v Speaker 2>you know in show business as well, you know, but

0:41:15.080 --> 0:41:19.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, and enormous hits, enormous successes, enormous things. But

0:41:20.160 --> 0:41:23.359
<v Speaker 2>the combination of such an enormous success and what it

0:41:23.400 --> 0:41:27.200
<v Speaker 2>is and content of what it is and the effect

0:41:27.239 --> 0:41:28.400
<v Speaker 2>that it has on people.

0:41:28.640 --> 0:41:32.480
<v Speaker 3>No, I mean, you guys were are a part of

0:41:32.560 --> 0:41:35.560
<v Speaker 3>something so much bigger than I think anything you could

0:41:35.600 --> 0:41:38.879
<v Speaker 3>probably ever grasping your lifetime, but you can grasp most

0:41:38.880 --> 0:41:41.840
<v Speaker 3>of it right, you know, but it was really impactful

0:41:41.920 --> 0:41:42.680
<v Speaker 3>for me.

0:41:42.840 --> 0:41:44.960
<v Speaker 1>And so many of the people that I grew up with.

0:41:45.080 --> 0:41:48.160
<v Speaker 3>It shaped my career, shaped the inspiration for how I

0:41:48.200 --> 0:41:52.280
<v Speaker 3>went about my career. It was really just really important

0:41:52.960 --> 0:41:57.240
<v Speaker 3>and just as small, you know, just a window into

0:41:57.400 --> 0:41:59.040
<v Speaker 3>some of the impact you guys have had.

0:41:59.280 --> 0:41:59.800
<v Speaker 1>So thank you.

0:41:59.840 --> 0:42:03.360
<v Speaker 2>So of course it's my pleasure, you know. I it's funny.

0:42:03.360 --> 0:42:07.319
<v Speaker 2>I have friends who you know, my age, who were

0:42:07.640 --> 0:42:11.359
<v Speaker 2>did study theater and were at you know, graduate excuse me,

0:42:11.400 --> 0:42:14.400
<v Speaker 2>graduating from my Carnegie Mellon at the time or whatever

0:42:14.440 --> 0:42:17.040
<v Speaker 2>it was when Red came out, And now they tell

0:42:17.080 --> 0:42:20.080
<v Speaker 2>me what their reaction to it was and how like

0:42:20.120 --> 0:42:22.400
<v Speaker 2>it was everything and it was everywhere and all everyone

0:42:22.440 --> 0:42:25.320
<v Speaker 2>wanted to do, was like and that's it's so funny

0:42:25.360 --> 0:42:26.799
<v Speaker 2>to me to hear that, because I didn't know any

0:42:26.840 --> 0:42:28.640
<v Speaker 2>that was going on at the time, you know what

0:42:28.640 --> 0:42:31.200
<v Speaker 2>I mean, Like, yeah, you hear all that stuff, and

0:42:31.239 --> 0:42:33.520
<v Speaker 2>it's like, for sure, Wow, that's really cool, you.

0:42:33.480 --> 0:42:37.400
<v Speaker 3>Know, no, really really really amazing. Well, thank you so

0:42:37.520 --> 0:42:40.279
<v Speaker 3>much for coming taking the time to chat with me.

0:42:40.360 --> 0:42:44.240
<v Speaker 3>It was really such a pleasure to meet you. And yeah,

0:42:44.239 --> 0:42:45.160
<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much.

0:42:45.000 --> 0:42:45.800
<v Speaker 2>Of course, anytime.

0:42:45.960 --> 0:42:46.280
<v Speaker 3>Bye.

0:42:46.480 --> 0:42:47.160
<v Speaker 2>All right, see it.

0:42:48.000 --> 0:42:53.880
<v Speaker 3>What a nice, nice grounded man. They say not to

0:42:53.880 --> 0:42:56.799
<v Speaker 3>meet your heroes, but here I am meeting a hero.

0:42:57.600 --> 0:43:04.280
<v Speaker 3>Adam Pascal was such an iconic voice and an amazing

0:43:04.320 --> 0:43:09.480
<v Speaker 3>actor singer, and he's just just such a like you

0:43:09.520 --> 0:43:12.920
<v Speaker 3>could turn on any album, any cast recording and he

0:43:12.960 --> 0:43:14.880
<v Speaker 3>would start singing and you'd be like, oh, that's Adam,

0:43:15.000 --> 0:43:19.600
<v Speaker 3>you know. So it's just very distinctive. And Rent was

0:43:19.640 --> 0:43:22.880
<v Speaker 3>so important to me. So that's such a special interview

0:43:22.960 --> 0:43:25.000
<v Speaker 3>and I'm so excited that I got to chat with him.

0:43:25.000 --> 0:43:29.120
<v Speaker 3>And I hope you guys enjoyed the episode and that's

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<v Speaker 3>what you really missed.

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