1 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:09,879 Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntire. 2 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 2: What is up Straight Fire, Faan, It's me Jason McIntyre, 3 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:21,479 Speaker 2: Straight boy yeer for Wednesday, July twenty third. Oh man, 4 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 2: I was fortunate enough to go last night to a 5 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 2: Dodgers game. Dodgers Twins. Man, it's been a while since 6 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 2: I've seen the Minnesota Twins. The buddy I went with 7 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 2: was like, hey, you know, last time I remember the 8 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 2: Twins they had like Kirby Pucket. I was like, yeah, 9 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 2: pretty much. Anyways, Dodgers with the l But Shoeotani, for 10 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 2: the fourth straight game hits a home run. I mean, 11 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 2: the guy is magical to watch. Did have a rough 12 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 2: night early, but then hits the bomb in the ninth inning. 13 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 2: Shoyotani is basically worth the price of admission. 14 00:00:57,880 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: That's all. 15 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 2: Everybody there wearing Otani year, way more Japanese fans than 16 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 2: I've ever seen at Dodger Stadium prior to his arrival. 17 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 2: It's such a scene. I'm so happy for Otani. Obviously, 18 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 2: the Dodgers are in a bit of a funk right now, 19 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 2: a malaise if you will. They will snap out of 20 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 2: it before we get to Jeremy Fowler ESPN reporter talking 21 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 2: about all the rankings in the list that he's doing 22 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 2: for ESPN. I just wanted to point out this is 23 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 2: an interesting story and I love the admission to go 24 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 2: back to piggyback off. So Bruce Feldman's College football talk yesterday. 25 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 2: So at Big Ten Media Days, the coach of the 26 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:36,839 Speaker 2: Maryland Terrapins, Mike Locksley, said that he lost his locker 27 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 2: room last year because he struggled with how to compensate 28 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 2: which players, and apparently because things were unraveling, certain guys 29 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 2: were emerging as players that needed to be paid, and 30 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 2: others were failing to meet expectations and were handsomely paid. 31 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 2: The Terrapins went into this big downward spier. They actually 32 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 2: had more players selected in the draft six than victories four. 33 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 2: Apparently they just got blown out in every game down 34 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 2: the stretch. That's the kind of stuff I love that. 35 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 2: Obviously it's not great to go through it, but I 36 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:17,359 Speaker 2: like that that's now a story that has come out. 37 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 2: It is a legitimate issue if you pay the wrong 38 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 2: guys and the guys who are have handsomely paid are 39 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 2: dogging it and the other guys all of a sudden 40 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 2: are ticked off. You've got major problems in the locker room. 41 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 2: And I again, college football is going through such an 42 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 2: amazing change right now. I'm here for all of it. 43 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 2: But anyways, without further ado, let's get to our guest 44 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 2: ESPN NFL reporter Jeremy Fowler. 45 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: You know a guy, Jason likes to think he knows 46 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: everything when it comes to sports. 47 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 2: I know what sports fans want, but. 48 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 1: For everything he doesn't. He knows a guy who does. 49 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 3: Let's just say I know a guy who knows a 50 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:00,239 Speaker 3: guy who knows another guy. 51 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:02,799 Speaker 2: All right, let's welcome into straight fire. A guy who 52 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:05,519 Speaker 2: covers the NFL. And man, he's got some lists right now. 53 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 2: They're popping off and getting people fired up. Jeremy Fowler, ESPN, 54 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 2: How you. 55 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 4: Doing, man, damn good man. Thanks for having me. 56 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've known Jeremy for a long time. He's covered 57 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 2: football forever. You know, down in Florida, you covered a 58 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 2: lot of football. I'm just curious this off season it's 59 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 2: hasn't been too crazy. I mean, I guess the Aaron 60 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 2: Rodgers move was a big one. But as we headed 61 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 2: to the season, what's the vibe around the league of 62 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 2: the Chiefs is their dynasty still on top or now. 63 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 3: So I would say with the Chiefs, there is some 64 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 3: skepticism there. There are some cracks in the foundation a 65 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 3: little bit. I mean, Travis Kelsey was not at his 66 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 3: best last year. He's going to try to sort of 67 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 3: write a final chapter for himself and what could be 68 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 3: his last year. Receivers are beat up. You had guards 69 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 3: playing at tackle. You know, the offense is a mass. 70 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 3: I think that Super Bowl loss was sobering for a 71 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 3: lot of people. I mean it's not that they just 72 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 3: played poorly. They couldn't complete a pass, you know, so 73 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 3: that brought some doubt for sure. But I do think 74 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 3: the Mahomes has a chance to get back to his 75 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 3: gun slinging ways. You know, he always ranked first or 76 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 3: second in QBR forever. Now he's more like later in 77 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 3: the top ten numbers, a little more modest. But I 78 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 3: think if you can get Xavier Worthy for Shee, Rice 79 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 3: Hollywood Brown, Travis Kelcey all back together, they have a 80 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 3: chance to have an uptick in the passing game a 81 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 3: little bit. But you know, you got Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow, 82 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 3: Josh Allen kind of coming for his spot right now. 83 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 4: A little bit. 84 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is kind of weak that the four best 85 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:34,600 Speaker 2: quarterbacks in the league all play in the AFC. I'd 86 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 2: love a little more balance, but whatever, All right, let's 87 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 2: get to your list. So, you know, I'm assuming you're 88 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 2: huddling with some editors and you guys decide, Hey, let's 89 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 2: do a list. We'll pull executives, coaches, and scouts. We'll 90 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 2: do top ten quarterbacks. I am curious when you're doing 91 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 2: this polling, how large of a sample are you trying 92 00:04:55,880 --> 00:05:01,919 Speaker 2: to balance these seventy voters AFC age, because you know, 93 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 2: some of these older gentlemen have a different view of 94 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 2: quarterback than what I think the modern guy is. Yeah, 95 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 2: I guess you talk to me about the process of 96 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 2: finding the voters. 97 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 4: Yeah. 98 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 3: I try to cast fretty wide net and get a 99 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 3: variety of people. 100 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 4: You know. 101 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 3: I like getting, say, if I'm doing quarterbacks, I like 102 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:21,679 Speaker 3: getting defensive coordinators. I like getting defensive backs coaches, guys 103 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 3: like that that have to go against the passing game 104 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 3: of that guy. I like to get assistant GM types 105 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 3: or you know, pro personnel directors because they're in the 106 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 3: weeds of it, like they do study all the players 107 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,600 Speaker 3: as opposed to you know, if you're a college scout 108 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:38,479 Speaker 3: maybe not so much, or even in a lot of 109 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 3: cases a general manager might not be in the weeds 110 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 3: like that. So I have I have kind of my 111 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 3: go to people that have sort of worked their way up, 112 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 3: and you know, they're in tune with everything, and they're 113 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 3: dedicated to getting me all the lists, you know, like 114 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:53,359 Speaker 3: they're in they're my gold club, Like they give me 115 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 3: all eleven positions. 116 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 4: You know. 117 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 3: Sometimes I'll use like gms or head coaches. They might 118 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 3: be busy to not be able to send me all 119 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 3: the list, but they might help me break a tie. 120 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:04,159 Speaker 3: Like a wide receiver. 121 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 4: I had. 122 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 3: Five guys for two spots, the last two spots, so 123 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 3: I would send that to gms and head coaches that 124 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 3: I trust, and they would like send me their order 125 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 3: of those five. So you know, just there are a 126 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 3: lot of ways I do it, and some positions are 127 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 3: more popular than others. Quarterback is easier to get the 128 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 3: most votes because you know, it's easy to judge and 129 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 3: it's a tangible position as opposed to like you know, 130 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 3: offensive line or offensive guard. It's a little more detailed. 131 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,039 Speaker 2: Let's go to the quarterbacks real quick. I guess the 132 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts one ticked off a lot of people. I 133 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 2: wasn't too worked up, but I just I don't love 134 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 2: the disrespect. And again, it's not toward you, it's towards 135 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 2: the league around Hurts. Yeah, I mean he's gotten to 136 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 2: two Super Bowls. Obviously, he's been on decent teams, decent 137 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 2: to really good teams, and he's performed amazingly in the 138 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 2: Super Bowls. He has a Super Bowl MVP. There really 139 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 2: isn't anything he can't do. He wins from the pocket. 140 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 2: His pocket numbers last year were top five. Obviously, the 141 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 2: tush push. The one thing I think that's a knock 142 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 2: on him, And tell me if you believe this, Jeremy, 143 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 2: is that he's not a first round pick. Nine of 144 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 2: the ten quarterbacks were first round picks. Yeah, and it 145 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 2: just feels like he's he's getting the well they you know, 146 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 2: they they want by running the football and they limited 147 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 2: his passes. Were you surprised that it Hurts checked in 148 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 2: at ninth bias? 149 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 3: Right, Like, if you're a scout or an exec or 150 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 3: a coach and you love to say Justin Herbert coming 151 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 3: out and you're a big traits guy, right, And a 152 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 3: lot of personnel guys are traits guys, or they want 153 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 3: somebody who you could put in any scheme and because 154 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 3: of all that they can do, they can handle it right, 155 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 3: Like they're not scheme specific. So justin Herbert is a 156 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 3: guy comes to mind from that, even though in the 157 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 3: eyes of some he's underwhelmed. 158 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: A little bit. 159 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 3: So with Hertz, the only pushback I got on hurts 160 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 3: from people around the league is that when he was 161 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 3: asked to handle a high volume passing attack, and that 162 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 3: was twenty twenty three when he threw the ball out 163 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 3: more and he really struggled and that wasn't all his 164 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 3: fault as a different team, but there's tension with his 165 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 3: head coach and he threw fifteen interceptions, Like there's just 166 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 3: skepticism about him being able to handle that. I would 167 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 3: say the comp I get for him is Russell Wilson, 168 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 3: you know who was similar, right, Like, you could do 169 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 3: a lot of things. At one point, he was probably 170 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 3: a top three quarterback maybe five years ago. You can 171 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 3: win a Super Bowl with him, but if you ask 172 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 3: him to throw the ball forty times a game, you're gonna. 173 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 4: Be in trouble. 174 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 3: Like it's just he doesn't have the ability to handle it. 175 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 3: That's some of the pushback I get from Hurts. So 176 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 3: I like to equate it to you know, if you 177 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 3: ask twenty people like, hey, I'll give you the Eagles offense, 178 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 3: and you either keep Jalen Hurts or you put Justin 179 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 3: Herbert in there, or even a Jared Goff maybe like 180 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 3: a lot of people would take Herbert or Golf in 181 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 3: that case, or maybe even Mayfield, you know. So it's 182 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 3: it just depends on your preference. Now that said, I 183 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:52,839 Speaker 3: do think he was disrespected a little bit. I thought 184 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 3: he would be higher than nine. 185 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 2: It's interesting you say that, because, like we can judge 186 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 2: people based on their data. We can look at all 187 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 2: the numbers, all the PFF numbers, the closed window throws, 188 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 2: all that stuff. What we can't do is this speculative. Well, 189 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 2: how would Justin Herbert? 190 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:10,679 Speaker 1: Do you know that? 191 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 2: I mean, that's first of all, I remember, Jared Goff 192 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 2: is a rookie. Essentially, he had never taken a snap 193 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 2: under center in college, and Jeff Fisher was an old 194 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:21,959 Speaker 2: school let's line up under center, handed off and it 195 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:23,719 Speaker 2: just I mean, Jared Goff looked like one of the 196 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:26,839 Speaker 2: biggest bus ever. And then he gets McVeigh who's like, oh, 197 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 2: we need to play his strength and then within a 198 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 2: couple of years gofs in the Super Bowl. Sure, so 199 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 2: that's a tough one for me. Do you think with 200 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 2: hurt some of it is the whole running aspect that 201 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 2: he runs a ton. 202 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:39,199 Speaker 3: I don't want to say this for certain because I 203 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 3: want to knock him, but there's you know, there's a 204 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 3: chance they're hiding him a little bit. I mean, the 205 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:45,199 Speaker 3: Eagles finished twenty ninth in passing last year. Like, it's 206 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:46,959 Speaker 3: hard to put a guy as a top five quarterback 207 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 3: when you're twenty ninth in passing. It just is, and 208 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 3: it's a passing position. 209 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 4: That said total package. 210 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:54,959 Speaker 3: He's really really good, you know, and you got to 211 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 3: take the running element into it. He has improved as 212 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 3: a passer. He improved a lot last year, so he 213 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 3: deserves a lot of credit for that. I just think 214 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:06,319 Speaker 3: if you know, you're picking like guys at the playground, right, 215 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 3: you're picking a team, and you know some of these guys, Herbert, 216 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 3: you might it was who's polarizing by the way, but 217 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 3: you might just pick him earlier because you can do 218 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 3: more with him. 219 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 2: The Hurts when you said, is interesting. So they finished 220 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 2: twenty ninth at passing. And again, if I feel like 221 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 2: defending Hurts, I would say, well, Jeremy, they led most 222 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:27,319 Speaker 2: of the way. Their defense was incredible. He's not having 223 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 2: to throw a lot, but he completed like seventy two 224 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 2: percent of whatever the number was, so he's good when 225 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 2: he asked to throw. He just doesn't have to throw 226 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 2: a lot. And then it's like Herbert's the opposite, right, 227 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 2: the defense was with Minter and if he's got to 228 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 2: throw forty times, he's gonna keep you in every game. 229 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 2: It is tough, like who would you take Herbert or 230 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 2: Jalen Hertson? Like Herbert exactly what you want with his legs, 231 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 2: arm body as a quarterback, Like I would take Herbert 232 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 2: over Patrick Mahomes. Is that crazy? Like based on Herbert's frame, 233 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 2: he could absorb anything. 234 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's heard though, and that's good. 235 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 2: Well, I mean Mahomes has the dad bod. He's only 236 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 2: what he six' to. TWO i Mean herbert's like six'. 237 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 2: Five strapping he looks like a gazelle, out there oh. 238 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 3: For sure and three interceptions, last year like he was 239 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 3: really efficient. New offense he's in a tough spot because 240 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 3: He's In greg, roman's offense which is so, Run heavy 241 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 3: like his passing attempts dropped from like thirty six. 242 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 4: A game to. Twenty nine, YOU know i forget what 243 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 4: the number, was exactly but it. Was, Low YEAH and. 244 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 3: I just don't know if they're gonna maximize his ability 245 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 3: now because of what they're. Gonna do they're gonna double 246 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 3: down on the running game and. 247 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 4: They're gonna run. 248 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 3: PLAY action i think they're gonna try to get better 249 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 3: on the. Outside vertically THE thing i Get from herbert 250 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 3: just talking to people around the league is that like 251 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 3: he's just he's just not quite there yet when it 252 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 3: comes to like making off scripted plays or winning a two. Minute, 253 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 3: drill uh, you know managing the game. To win That's 254 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 3: what mahomes was really good at. Last year that was, Maybe, 255 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,079 Speaker 3: subtle yeah is like and a lot of coaches, praise 256 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 3: this like he just he manages the game and the 257 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:01,679 Speaker 3: clock really really well to where even if he's not 258 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 3: putting up, big numbers he's putting them in a position. 259 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 3: To win so that's sort of the next Step. For 260 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 3: herbert the ability is. All world, you know if you're 261 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 3: picking these guys, on ability he's probably top three on. The, 262 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 3: list yeah he has the upside to get to the. 263 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 3: Top five he just hasn't. 264 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: Done It Fox sports radio has the best sports talk 265 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 1: lineup in. The nation catch all of our Shows At 266 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:26,839 Speaker 1: foxsports radio dot com and Within the. iHeartRadio APP search 267 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: fsr to. Listen Live croc perdy did not crack the. 268 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 2: TOP ten i think the top two after That Were 269 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 2: jordan love and somebody. 270 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:39,199 Speaker 1: JUST. 271 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:39,559 Speaker 4: Drout. 272 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 2: Cj stroud, that's right, Of course perdy had a, down 273 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 2: year a lot of. Guys injured foy nine ers, Were 274 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:48,679 Speaker 2: Terrible but i've got two i think plus two plus 275 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 2: years of Data on purdy where he's really, freaking good 276 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 2: can make. Every pass are you surprised he didn't crack the? 277 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 2: TOP ten i. 278 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 4: WAS surprised i. 279 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 3: Was surprised so the most shocking part of the quarterback 280 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 3: list was there was a huge drop off after the. 281 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 3: Twelve guys so It was stroud, At Eleven jordan love. At 282 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 3: twelve those guys all got a lot, of votes and 283 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 3: then there was a huge. Drop off so note Barely, 284 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 3: any dak Barely. Any Brogue tyler murray got more Votes Than, 285 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 3: dak ambrock so that was. REALLY surprising. 286 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 4: I just. 287 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 3: It's and probably it is. Confirmation bias they're waiting for 288 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 3: him to kind of fall back down a little bit 289 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 3: based on maybe the. Skill set not the, biggest guy 290 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 3: not the, biggest arm. All that very good, decision maker, very, 291 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 3: Accurate tough like he's got a lot of what. 292 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,559 Speaker 4: You NEED so i can see him being higher. 293 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 3: Next year and he's gonna have to because he's gonna 294 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 3: have to carry that team a little more than, He. 295 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 4: Has like they're not. 296 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 3: As loaded they're really doing a sneaky rebuild. 297 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:48,679 Speaker 4: Right, now, Yeah. 298 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 3: Younger like it's probably containing to rebuild on the line 299 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:55,959 Speaker 3: and you don't. Know, it well that's what they're doing. 300 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 3: Right now so he's gonna have to get it done 301 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 3: at a higher clip than. He has teammates swear, by him. 302 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 4: They, love him. 303 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 3: You Know the the question, is like Is He kirk 304 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 3: cousins or is he? SOMETHING more i think that's really. 305 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:09,439 Speaker 3: THE question i think he could be. Something MORE but 306 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 3: i was a little surprised that a lot of leak doesn't. 307 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: Think that it's. 308 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 2: So interesting uh dak seventh, round pick. Mister irrelevant so 309 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 2: you compare Him To, kirk cousins why couldn't He be 310 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 2: i'm trying to think Of a he's not Gonna Be, 311 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 2: dan Marino but i'm trying to think of a Quarterback 312 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 2: Like jim could He Be. JIM kelly i. DON'T know, 313 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 2: I mean I Know jim kelly was more When to 314 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 2: miami was. A star blah. Blah blah it's just tough 315 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 2: to find a. Comfort Party and I'm rooting grendo as. 316 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 3: An, underdog yeah, it, is well it's and you hate 317 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 3: to like bring it back to the simplest form, of like, you, know, size, athleticism, 318 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 3: arm strength. And traits but like all the guys on 319 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 3: the list are six to one. Or above, You Know 320 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 3: jalen hurts is on the smaller side of the. Top 321 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 3: ten all those guys. Are big so, it's tough like 322 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 3: you're just you're you're at an uphill battle when you're. 323 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 3: That size you saw it a little bit In The 324 00:14:58,080 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 3: super bowl two, years ago late and when he gets 325 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 3: it's late in the game on that third down or 326 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 3: whatever down. 327 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 4: That was, you know. 328 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 3: It's tough so but, that said you can, overcome that 329 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 3: and quarterbacks have shown you can. Overcome, that, so uh, 330 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 3: YOU know i think a lot of voters do go back, 331 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 3: to that and they were maybe looking for a reason to, 332 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 3: knock him unless year was a reason because he wasn't. 333 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 3: AS good, i, mean like, you know his. Record's great 334 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 3: he does a lot of. 335 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 2: GOOD things i still remember in the playoffs they were 336 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 2: LOSING to i think it was they were losing To 337 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 2: the packers and then he let it, come BACK and 338 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 2: i think they were losing To the lions and he 339 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 2: let it, come back and it's like the guy. 340 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: Just. 341 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 2: Delivered MAN but i don't need to wax on About. 342 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 2: Brock party let me add you uh you also covered 343 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 2: like the league. At large are there any big picture 344 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 2: trends you're seeing whereas remember a couple of, years ago 345 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 2: mahomes used to be just killing people with the bombs over, 346 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 2: the top and then everybody went too high safety and 347 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 2: to go. Ahead us are we seeing a transition to 348 00:15:56,720 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 2: two tight end sets more now heavier to combat the 349 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 2: deep safety and taking away the big play because it 350 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 2: seems Like the niners are going to be going more 351 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 2: two tight. 352 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: End. 353 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 3: SETS yeah i think it's all, the above and really 354 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 3: the trend now is just running the. BALL more i 355 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 3: mean you're just seeing teams try to equal that out 356 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 3: to that what you're, talking about, you know so that's 357 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 3: Why the eagles were. So successful, you know like that 358 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 3: there's been a little bit of a running. BACK renaissance 359 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 3: i think the two tight end sets will, be big. 360 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 4: You know you're. 361 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 3: Having now defenses are trying to combat that with safeties 362 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 3: Like A kyle hamilton or somebody who can play like 363 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 3: a linebacker slash safety or kind of. All around, you 364 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 3: know like positionless defense. Is bigger LIKE when i was 365 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 3: Doing this top, ten series it was kind of shocking 366 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 3: that how many people were really down on like the, 367 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 3: Traditional linebacker like they feel like there's just a major 368 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 3: dearth of talent at linebacker where it used To Be 369 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 3: dick buckets and all, those guys like as a. Premier 370 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 3: position now it's not now it's it's. Just Not There's 371 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 3: fred warner And There's ropewon smith and then a huge. 372 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 3: Drop off so, you know that's interesting. To me like 373 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 3: defenses are trying to combat that with speed and putting 374 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 3: a lot of dbs on, the field which. 375 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 4: Is you know That's. 376 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 3: AFFECTED mahomes i mean you've seen it And, the chiefs 377 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:12,160 Speaker 3: so you just you need a steadier running game to losen, 378 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 3: That Up like detroit's really mastered that. They get, you 379 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 3: know they six yards of pop pop on the, running 380 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 3: game and then you have suddenly these huge windows to. 381 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 3: Throw into so it really does kind of go back 382 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 3: to the simple math, like that if offenses can figure, 383 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 3: that out more team to run, the ball then defenses 384 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 3: are gonna load up and try to, stop that and 385 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 3: then you're gonna have more over. 386 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:34,919 Speaker 4: The top so it's a cyclical game. For sure it 387 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 4: definitely feels. 388 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:38,199 Speaker 2: That way it's almost like everybody's telling, Their, kids, hey 389 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,159 Speaker 2: hey don't be, a linebacker get to be in. That 390 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 2: drusher put on the, twenty pounds be a, defensive tackle 391 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 2: or lose, the weight be a safety because they pay. 392 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 2: Dbs linebackers that's a. Tough position you're just filling gaps and. Drilling, 393 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:53,159 Speaker 2: people yeah not a POSITION that I that I would i. 394 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:53,400 Speaker 1: Would. 395 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 3: EMBRACE yeah i think a lot of receivers are asked 396 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 3: to be like, youth receivers they all want to. Be 397 00:17:57,960 --> 00:17:59,919 Speaker 3: receivers they are being asked to be, corners because Like, 398 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 3: lug man is a clear path to college if you 399 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 3: just learn how to. 400 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 2: Run, Backwards Yeah, TRAVIS hunter i you haven't put out 401 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 2: your cornerback LIST yet i don't doubt he'd make the 402 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 2: top ten as. A rookie he hasn't played, a GAME 403 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 2: but i, will ask do you really think he's going 404 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,680 Speaker 2: to be successful playing? Both ways this idea that he's 405 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 2: going To tackle christian McCaffrey in space and Be Chasing 406 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 2: derrick henry down and then, you know seven plays later 407 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 2: he's running routes atop speed that. That's impossible. 408 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 4: It's The. 409 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:37,439 Speaker 3: JACKSONVILLE jaguars i feel like it's. Not impossible they're going to. Be, 410 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 3: judicious yeah he wants to play the. Whole way he 411 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 3: does want to. 412 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 4: Do it. I'M skeptical a lot of people are on 413 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:43,400 Speaker 4: the league. Are skeptical. 414 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 3: You know it's, FUNNY though i talked To the browns, 415 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 3: about this because, you know they thought about. Drafting him 416 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:51,440 Speaker 3: Like the browns thought when in their research where they consider, 417 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 3: drafting him they just thought he was so wildly well 418 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 3: conditioned that he. 419 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 4: Could at least give it. 420 00:18:56,600 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 3: A chance maybe not at a full hill, every snap 421 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 3: but like maybe make him a receiver and then you, 422 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 3: you know you make them like a nickel cornerback on 423 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,439 Speaker 3: third down in his zone where they can kind of 424 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 3: like see things in front of him make a play on, 425 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 3: the ball uses. 426 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 4: Ball skills so. 427 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 3: It's really the league is torn on what they think 428 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 3: about him as far as. You know some think he's 429 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:21,679 Speaker 3: just a pure corner something that's too much of an 430 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 3: ask and just let him go catch. The ball on the, 431 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:27,879 Speaker 3: other Side the jaguars feel like they wanted them to 432 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 3: work heavy receiver first because it's a harder. 433 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 4: Position to learn because of the offense and all the. 434 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 3: Nuances there but he kind of flashed a defense late, 435 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 3: in camp Like an OTA's a. Mini camp he was 436 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 3: doing pretty good and making plays on. The ball so, 437 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 3: after that feel like. ANYTHING'S possible i think he's to 438 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 3: get a. Healthy run like they're trying to formulate a plan, 439 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:52,400 Speaker 3: for him they don't want to give him. 440 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 4: Too much. 441 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 3: My guess still is he's going to major, in offense minor. 442 00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 3: And defense he's at least giving him something to think 443 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 3: about there where he can handle more. 444 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:01,680 Speaker 4: Up, defensively. 445 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 2: YEAH major i like that major and minor because We 446 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 2: Had marlon humphrey On the herd last week and he, was, 447 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,680 Speaker 2: like yeah that's not it's not gonna BE pot, i 448 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,679 Speaker 2: mean he's Practicing With. Derrick Henry marlon humphrey Played With 449 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 2: derrick Henry. In Alabama deon sanders ran. Back punts, that's 450 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 2: fine and then we'll play cornerback and we'll go. Play 451 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:22,439 Speaker 2: baseball BUT like i just think tackling and then going and. Catching, 452 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 2: passes now if you put him a Receiver, opposite thomas 453 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 2: they probably have, something, There, right yeah. 454 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:30,120 Speaker 3: FOR sure i mean doing this top, Ten Series brian 455 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 3: thomas is he didn't make my, top ten but he's a. 456 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 3: Massive star like he took the league by storm. Last 457 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 3: year he can, play, inside outside, deep ball like you 458 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,919 Speaker 3: can put. Him anywhere he's going. To Succeed And liam 459 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,679 Speaker 3: cohen really wanted a number two receiver to match with 460 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 3: him because he felt Like in Tampa When mike evans, 461 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 3: got hurt they were Exposed Because chris goblin was. 462 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:51,120 Speaker 4: Already out so he wants. 463 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 3: Two guys so THAT'S why i go, back To like 464 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 3: hunter is going to play a healthy amount. 465 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 4: ON offense I just i don't see a world where. 466 00:20:56,280 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 4: He doesn't and it's easy to find him pack just 467 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 4: to let him just go downfield to get. The, ball 468 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:03,919 Speaker 4: yeah it's just a matter of how much he can. 469 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 1: Handle Defensively Fox sports radio has the best sports talk 470 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 1: lineup in. The nation catch all of our Shows At 471 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: foxsports radio dot com and Within the. iHeartRadio APP search 472 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: fsr to. 473 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:19,679 Speaker 2: Listen Live so i'm trying, to Think Like trevor lawrence 474 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 2: is a guy who's probably under, some Pressure although jackson 475 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 2: was not moving. OFF him i biggest pressure points this 476 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 2: year have To Be bryce Young, in CAROLINA and I 477 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,159 Speaker 2: Guess caleb Williams And. Kyler murray do you do you 478 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 2: think those GUYS like i don't want, to say lose 479 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 2: your starting job or bench or traded, or whatever but 480 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:40,880 Speaker 2: it just feels like those three have kind of they're 481 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 2: in a tough spot. 482 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 3: For Sure, SO chicago, I Mean ben johnson's got a 483 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,239 Speaker 3: harder edge to him than you. Would, think oh like 484 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 3: he's gonna want just the professionalism and. The detail he's 485 00:21:58,680 --> 00:21:59,120 Speaker 3: gonna want. 486 00:21:59,119 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 4: All that. 487 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 3: I've heard it's been good so Far with caleb and 488 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 3: they've really worked with them on not only the offense 489 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 3: and throwing with a plan and knowing what's going on 490 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 3: and the sequencing of, it all but like having good body. 491 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 3: Language too you know that was a problem, Last year 492 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 3: like accountability a little bit was. AN issue, i mean 493 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 3: it was a mess, last year and he played a part, 494 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 3: in that, You KNOW like i know some of the 495 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,679 Speaker 3: ex coaches didn't love the comments he had about nobody 496 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 3: watching film, with him like it's it was all. A 497 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 3: mess so he's got a long way. To go he's 498 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 3: got a lot, TO prove, i think, you KNOW and 499 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 3: i don't know where. THAT goes i think they're going 500 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:34,439 Speaker 3: to be patient, with him, you know because they, have 501 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 3: to and his upside is, So high like the ability 502 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,880 Speaker 3: Is like i'll put it, this way if he was in. 503 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 4: The RUNNING for mvp, next year wouldn't. 504 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 3: Shock me if it went terribly wrong and He, got 505 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 3: bend it wouldn't shock. 506 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 4: Me either like it feels like anything's possible There. In 507 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 4: chicago that is a wide range of options. 508 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 3: Just because but part of that is just because the 509 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 3: talent and like the upside, he has he's not matching 510 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 3: it and it's like what are? We doing SO but 511 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 3: i do think they'll be pretty patient, With him and, 512 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:07,440 Speaker 3: You know caroline. IS interesting i don't think it necessarily 513 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 3: that a lot of Pressure because bryce dug himself out of. 514 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 3: A hole i guess if he starts, poorly again maybe 515 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 3: they make. A move but there's a lot of confidence, 516 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 3: right now like he was playing with confidence. Last year 517 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 3: they feel good about the. Running game as long as he, 518 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 3: has that he's gonna have some windows to throw into 519 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,400 Speaker 3: the offensive line's. Pretty GOOD like i don't necessarily put 520 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 3: him high on my. Pressure meter, uh yeah You Mentioned. 521 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:32,360 Speaker 3: TREVOR lawrence i actually have him pretty high on that because, 522 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 3: and again like they're stuck in a Contract And liam 523 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 3: cohen is coming in thinking he's got multiple years of 524 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:43,639 Speaker 3: this guy. Most likely but, you know you talk to 525 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 3: people that Are in jacksonville and you know they still 526 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 3: believe in him and have faith. In him but there's 527 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 3: kind of a, Feeling, like okay you're on your third 528 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 3: coach foers for less than, Five years like it's time 529 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:58,199 Speaker 3: to get this. Thing going and he, knows that. You 530 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,919 Speaker 3: know so he's got to showing up tick here. Pretty 531 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 3: soon like if it's sluggish again like it was, LAST 532 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 3: year i, don't know would end. 533 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 2: Very, well yeah let's quickly go To The. Miami Dolphins 534 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,919 Speaker 2: if mike McDaniel hits, the market, holy cow people will 535 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 2: snap him up in. A second i don't know if 536 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 2: he's on the hot Seat, in miami but it definitely 537 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 2: feels like they need to probably win and get to. The, 538 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:25,400 Speaker 2: playoffs no so. 539 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 3: There's Pressure in Miami with mike mcdaill, For SURE like 540 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 3: i would put him pretty high in the. PRESSURE meter 541 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 3: i don't know what that looks like as far as 542 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 3: having to win a. PLAYOFF game i don't think there's 543 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 3: a mandate there as far as exactly what he has, 544 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 3: to do but there has to. Be progress it's not 545 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 3: just the lack of convincing wins or. Convincing seasons it's 546 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 3: sort of the lack of any sort of. Signature win 547 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,359 Speaker 3: they haven't really had any. Big moments we know the offense. 548 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:53,640 Speaker 3: Is good has it plateaued a? Little bit, you know time. 549 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 3: WILL tell i. 550 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:56,919 Speaker 4: Do think the defenses seemed to make some of the. 551 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 3: Eye candy in the motions, and shifts And tyree o 552 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 3: really struggled, at times. 553 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 4: So they've got to. 554 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 3: Answer that but it's a roster that has downgraded in 555 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 3: a few. Spots too it looks very much, in transition 556 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 3: like some of the moves that made it look like 557 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,160 Speaker 3: they were just trying to. Save money so that doesn't 558 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 3: necessarily put me down the best spot unless they feel 559 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 3: really good about these backups with these other people that 560 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 3: have come. In POSITION so i have some. Concerns there, 561 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 3: YOU know i think he can get. It done he's 562 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 3: smart enough to get them in a. Good position but 563 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 3: you've had a lot of turmoil with Players And jalen 564 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 3: ramsey wanted Out And johnny smith. Wanted OUT like i 565 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 3: don't know what to, expect there but, you, know yeah 566 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 3: there has to Be enough tike in production for him to. 567 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 3: Stay around it feels like that right now. 568 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:39,679 Speaker 2: For. 569 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 4: Sure yeah, All. 570 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 2: Right, jeremy finally are you a big fantasy? Football guy 571 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 2: are you playing in multiple leagues? Or? 572 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,400 Speaker 4: Not really, YOU know i, used. 573 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 3: To AND then i kind of gave, it up not 574 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,120 Speaker 3: for any. PARTICULAR reason i just was kind of locked into. 575 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,679 Speaker 3: The season And then i'm gonna get back, into though 576 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,199 Speaker 3: because my son played last year and he had one 577 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 3: of those classic experiences where he drafted all the studs 578 00:25:59,040 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 3: and they all. 579 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:02,879 Speaker 4: Got hurt, you Know oh Kathy And nico collins and all. 580 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 3: Those guys SO so I think i'm gonna help him 581 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 3: out a little bit and we're gonna do like a, 582 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 3: you know a co draft. 583 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 4: OR something i. 584 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,879 Speaker 2: Asked, that, he's, oh yeah same with. My son he 585 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,679 Speaker 2: did it yet a great year. Last year But The kyler, murray, 586 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,679 Speaker 2: thing yes he is under some pressure. To deliver but, 587 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 2: my gosh do they not have every piece? IN place 588 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 2: a top ten, running back maybe, top five top five 589 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 2: tight end in McBride And and harrison was projected to be. 590 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,399 Speaker 2: A superstar didn't see a lot out. Of them is 591 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 2: this a big Year For? Kyler murray do you expect 592 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:33,639 Speaker 2: them to go to? 593 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 4: The playoffs it's an even bigger Year For. 594 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:37,919 Speaker 3: MARVIN harrison i think if it's a big Year, for 595 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,440 Speaker 3: harrison it's a big Year for murray because they tried 596 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 3: to sort of force, that connection couldn't quite get. It 597 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 3: Going but harrison's added. Some size he. LOOKS bigger i 598 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 3: think we'll be able to make contested catches a. 599 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 4: Little better. 600 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 3: You know so You got trey mcgride is sort of 601 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 3: the run and. Catch Guy marvin harrison can be the 602 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 3: intermediate to. 603 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:56,919 Speaker 4: Deep threat. You know if it all, comes together it 604 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:57,239 Speaker 4: can be. 605 00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 3: Really good because if you look at their, DEPTH chart 606 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 3: i mean they, got pieces, you know the defensive has a, 607 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 3: few questions But Added, josh sweat like they've. Loaded up 608 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 3: they got the linemen that they've drafted last. Few YEARS 609 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,399 Speaker 3: so i do like what they're. Building there it just 610 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,679 Speaker 3: it really matters, about what, you know what's? Their ceiling 611 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 3: are they sort of seven? Eight wins or can they? 612 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 3: BREAK through a lot's going to depend On That harrison. 613 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,640 Speaker 3: Murray connection so they're Tied to murray for. THIS year 614 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 3: i believe after this year there's some wiggle room to 615 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,199 Speaker 3: potentially get out of that deal if. 616 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 4: They want BUT like i found on, this project he's still. 617 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 3: Got value like he still looked at as the thirteenth 618 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 3: best quarterback in the league oriented. 619 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,120 Speaker 4: Of the VOTES that. I pulled that's. Pretty good that's where, 620 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 4: he fell. 621 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 2: You, KNOW so, i, MEAN geez i would flip him 622 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 2: in a HEARTBEAT if i, could get depending what you 623 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 2: could get, for, him obviously, but wow. Thirteen bad that's. 624 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 2: A surprise he has one. Playoff appearance he quit in 625 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 2: the Game Because aaron donald was breeding down his neck 626 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 2: and it hasn't. Got BACK and i know there's been 627 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 2: coaching changes, and stuff but there's The WHOLE like i 628 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 2: don't want to read, MY playbook i just not do. 629 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 4: The, homework yeah he's been better though FROM what, I, 630 00:27:59,080 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 4: heard like. 631 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 2: He can't, Be, worse jeremy he can't. 632 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,199 Speaker 3: Be WORSE but i do think he's taken to the, 633 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,400 Speaker 3: offense there and he can run like the play action 634 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 3: under center stuff and has been a pretty good student 635 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,919 Speaker 3: with that FROM what, I understand, So. 636 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:18,360 Speaker 2: Alright, JEREBY, Fowler espn, Great, stuff jeremy thanks, a lot 637 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 2: enjoy the camps and we'll see you, the, season 638 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 4: Yes Sir, thanks jason appreciate you having me