1 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: Hey, they're folks. It is Thursday, September eleventh. Classes are 2 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: being canceled, campuses are on lockdown, Members of Congress are 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: canceling their events, and people are losing their jobs. It's 4 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: all a part of the fallout and fear after the 5 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: assassination of Charlie Kirk. And with that, welcome to this 6 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:26,759 Speaker 1: episode of Amy and TJ. In Robes. It feels like 7 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: we are on edge right now. 8 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 2: It almost feels like we're in a free fall because look, 9 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 2: this day historically has always been a day where Americans 10 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 2: have been on edge for the past twenty plus years. 11 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 2: But to have had the political assassination, a massive man 12 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 2: hunt underway, a gunman has been on the loose now 13 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 2: for more than twenty four hours, and people are scared, 14 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 2: and they're uncertain, and they're unsure, and I think they 15 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 2: don't know who to trust, and they don't know how 16 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 2: safe they really are, whether you're at a college campus, 17 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 2: or you're a member of Congress, or you're anyone at 18 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 2: this point, and. 19 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: To your you make a good point, we should say, 20 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,400 Speaker 1: as of this recording and Robes is an important point. 21 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: Adding to the uncertainty, the mystery, and the unease we 22 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: seem to all have right now. Is because we were 23 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 1: expecting some information this afternoon and we didn't get it 24 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: and we don't know when we're going to get it. 25 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:28,199 Speaker 1: And they're telling us is because this is a fast 26 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: moving investigation. 27 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 2: Yes, they say, there have been rapid developments and that's 28 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:36,120 Speaker 2: why they were not able. Authorities were not able to 29 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 2: give the information with the schedule of press conference as 30 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 2: it was intended to I believe it was had been 31 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 2: scheduled for two forty five Eastern time. So we're all, yeah, waiting, 32 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 2: what is happening? What is going on? Is anyone at risk? 33 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: They keep telling us no, this was targeted and they 34 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: do not believe that anyone else is at risk, but 35 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: they did. You have seen the picture right now. But 36 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: they're asking for help in the investigation. We will continue 37 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: to come on and update when those updates do come 38 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: to us from authorities. We are waiting for another one today, 39 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 1: but we want to hop on here now because Robes 40 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 1: fallout is now happening. We know about we talked about 41 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: Matthew dal Of, the political analyst at MSNBC said something 42 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:23,679 Speaker 1: on the air suggested it sounded like he was suggesting 43 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 1: that Charlie Kirk brought her on hisself to a certain 44 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: degree by some of the rhetoric he was using. He 45 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: was fired. He did apologize. But you're seeing things pop 46 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: up here and there around the country of other people 47 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: losing jobs because they're putting things out there publicly, almost 48 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk. 49 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 2: Look, and it's one thing if you see kids doing 50 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 2: it on TikTok who have almost no repercussions. In fact, 51 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 2: they're probably just solidifying political viewpoints of their friends and so. 52 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 2: But that can be mean spirited and terrible. But when 53 00:02:56,680 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 2: you're an adult who has an official job somewhere, you 54 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 2: can't be saying things like some folks are saying. Charlie 55 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:10,359 Speaker 2: rock pr with the Carolina Panthers, he's gone. He's out 56 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 2: of a job. 57 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: It's a job because he put out a message saying 58 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: why y'all mad? Hey, why y'all mad? 59 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,519 Speaker 2: And just tone deaf is what that is. At the 60 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 2: very least he is. 61 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 1: But think of what he represents. He is an employee 62 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: of a very important organization in that state and in 63 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: a very important league. You just you're representing something greater 64 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: than yourself. It's tough sometimes to get people to remember that. 65 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: And then Middle Tennessee State has an assistant dean who's 66 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: also out of a job today putting out a post 67 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: saying zero sympathy. 68 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 2: Sympathy. I just I'm I'm confused why adults feel the 69 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 2: need to weigh in and almost well not almost, and 70 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 2: be snarky about a tragedy. I don't care where you 71 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 2: in the political spectrum. When you make anything that seems 72 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 2: flippant or just callous in any way regarding someone being 73 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 2: targeted and killed for their beliefs, I don't see how 74 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 2: you can justify that in any position, in any job 75 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:25,919 Speaker 2: as an adult. I'm amazed that these folks felt like 76 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 2: they could say those things and stay employed. 77 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 1: Two things on that point to consider. One, you would 78 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: think to yourself, wow, even if you do think these things, 79 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: you should never ever say it out loud in public 80 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:47,559 Speaker 1: or put it on social media. But then the next 81 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,799 Speaker 1: part of that robes I think, is should you even 82 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: think this in private? If anyone out there asked yourself, 83 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:57,840 Speaker 1: when you heard about this young man's death, what was 84 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 1: your personal reaction to it? Nobody else ever going to 85 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: hear or know about, But how did you react, Were 86 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: you dismissive? Were you sympathetic? Did you see him as 87 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,239 Speaker 1: a husband and a father or did you see him 88 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:14,159 Speaker 1: as a soldier of Donald Trump? And therefore blank like life? 89 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: I want just how did people genu have to ask 90 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 1: ourselves these questions? This was a young man period, who's 91 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,559 Speaker 1: a husband and a father? Yes, let's if we can't 92 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 1: have sympathy just right there before we get into anything else. 93 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: Are you sympathetic to that? 94 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 2: And I would also say, and I've had these conversations 95 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 2: with my daughters just because you disagree with someone politically 96 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 2: and they may say awful things in your opinion, and 97 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 2: terrible things that are hurtful to our country or hurtful 98 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 2: to whatever cause you have. If do you think that 99 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 2: you should be held at that same standard? If you 100 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 2: say something something that you believe, should you then be targeted? 101 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,480 Speaker 2: Should you then be the recipient of hate? Should you 102 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,799 Speaker 2: then feel for your life because you said something that 103 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 2: that pissed somebody else off? I mean, you just have 104 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 2: to you have to recall or at least put yourself 105 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 2: in that person. I would never say those things. You 106 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 2: have no idea what you say that can upset someone else? 107 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 2: And just because your beliefs seem reasonable to you and 108 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:20,679 Speaker 2: justifiable to you, doesn't mean they are to other people. 109 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 2: So I just I don't think we again, we keep 110 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 2: talking to this, but we don't humanize one another, and 111 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 2: we don't give other people the same respect we want 112 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 2: people to give us. 113 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: Well, I'm sorry, and keeping my eye on the TV 114 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:38,479 Speaker 1: over here in fast moving developments and again, robes we 115 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 1: were hopping on here. Yes, that's one thing. We see 116 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 1: some of the fall out here. We talk about the fear. 117 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: What in God's name is happening on college campuses? Now, 118 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 1: we went through the first week, week and a half 119 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: of kids getting back to college campuses all around the 120 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: country with these hoaxes, right, these right false alarms, these 121 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: alerts calling in. They had some shutdowns and this and 122 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: that it was never any thing found. But today alone 123 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: now specific robes, not just any colleges, specifically HBCUs around 124 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: the country have been in lockdown at various points. 125 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 2: It's disgusting. It's disgusting. So on a day where we're 126 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 2: all already on edge, historically, on a day following a 127 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 2: political assassination, where we don't have a lot of answers, 128 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 2: now you have students on college campuses across this country, 129 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 2: targeting specifically black students at Alabama State, Virginia State, Hampton University, 130 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 2: Southern University, Clark, Atlanta, Bethune, Cookman. That is like at 131 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 2: the same time, correct, all around the same time. They 132 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 2: all receive hopes, their hoaxes because they've they've allowed at 133 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 2: least they've they've lifted some of the lockdowns, but the 134 00:07:57,320 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 2: damage is done. The fear has been instilled. There are 135 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 2: reports of students crying, running, fearing for their lives. Think 136 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,679 Speaker 2: about what happened in Colorado yesterday with the high school. 137 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 2: So you hear these hoaxes, but there was a real 138 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 2: campus shooting yesterday. There was a real political assassination on 139 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 2: a college campus yesterday. So this is very real to 140 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 2: these students who get these alerts, take cover, hide, shelter 141 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 2: in place. These are just terrifying times. 142 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: Some of these schools have gone ahead and council classes 143 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: for today and tomorrow. So this is disrupting education as well. 144 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 1: You I was as you were talking about as being 145 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: on edge it You remember the September eleventh and adversaries 146 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: of old, Yes, where we used to fear terrorists. Yes, 147 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: we used to fear some foreign actor coming in and 148 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 1: doing us harm. What are we scared to death to 149 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: do now? Go to a crowd, go to a movie, 150 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: go to a mall, go to school, go to college campus. 151 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: We're killing ourselves. We're attacking ourselves. That with September eleventh, 152 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 1: and we got students scrambling, we got a guy dead yesterday, 153 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 1: all because of what our own internal shit and not 154 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 1: because of some foreign It's weird on September eleventh. The 155 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:20,199 Speaker 1: thing I'm most scared of today is walking down the 156 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 1: streets of New York and that white guy over there 157 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 1: or that American over there. I'm not looking for some 158 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 1: foreign actor. And it's it's odd that this happens to 159 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 1: be the day that we're talking about. 160 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 2: And what you're talking about is intolerance and possibly mental 161 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:42,559 Speaker 2: illness on top of it. But just I don't know 162 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 2: to label someone just because they've taken an extreme act 163 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily mean that they're mentally ill. But I'd like 164 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 2: to at least think that's possible, because to imagine that 165 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 2: intolerance can get so can rise to the level where 166 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 2: you actually plan and target an assassination where someone is 167 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 2: I don't even know if they think it's funny, but 168 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 2: they make these phone calls and create chaos and instill 169 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 2: fear and do actual harm to parents, students, faculty. For what, 170 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 2: what's the point of it? What's the that's what's so scary? 171 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 2: Do people get their kicks out of this? Are people 172 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,319 Speaker 2: trying to make a point out of it? I don't know. 173 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 1: There was only one arrest I can remember, right, didn't 174 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: they arrest one guy associated? Because it's almost impossible to 175 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: trace these numbers they're using these mixers, and I think maybe, 176 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: but in all these hoes that we've seen what you're 177 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,559 Speaker 1: saying there, we may never know who's doing this foolishness. 178 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 2: And it's really and it's really sad, and it's really disturbing. 179 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 2: And no one can tell the difference between a real 180 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 2: phone call and a fake phone call, period, So the 181 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 2: reactions are the same whether or not there actually is 182 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 2: a shooter or it's just a hoax. 183 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: Folks, we talk about people losing jobs, we talk about 184 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: what's happening on college campuses today, but a lot is 185 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: happening in Congress, and what happened on the campus in 186 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: Utah yesterday is prompting a lot of members of Congress 187 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: to change their plans, and that includes canceling public events. 188 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 2: Welcome back to this episode of Amy and TJ, where 189 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:37,679 Speaker 2: we are talking about the ripple effects of what happened 190 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 2: yesterday in Utah, the political assassination of Charlie Kirk, and 191 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 2: of course today is nine to eleven as well. So 192 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 2: this is a day where we're supposed to actually unite, remember, 193 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 2: honor those who fell and those who served and who 194 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 2: jumped into action when the worst case scenario happened on 195 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 2: that day twenty four four years ago. And instead now 196 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 2: because of the events of yesterday, combined with the just 197 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 2: the unease of today, we are in. It feels like 198 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:14,079 Speaker 2: uncharted territory. So we now have folks being fired for 199 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 2: being insensitive and just not understanding the gravity of the 200 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 2: political climate we're in right now. We have students and 201 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 2: faculty running for their lives at several HBCUs across the 202 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 2: country because false or hoax gunmen calls are coming in. 203 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 2: It's just a nightmare. And now we have members of Congress, 204 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 2: our leaders, our lawmakers, the people we're supposed to turn 205 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:40,679 Speaker 2: to in moments like this to calm us, to give 206 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 2: us a sense of ease, to let us know that 207 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 2: they're going to make sure that we keep America and 208 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 2: Americans safe there now, according to several congress men and 209 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 2: women and lawmakers, they're scared to death, they're frantic, they're 210 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 2: running for cover, they're canceling events, they're changing the way 211 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 2: they operate, they're afraid to campaign. That tells you a lot. 212 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 2: So there we have names of folks who have absolutely 213 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 2: and completely changed what they are doing and how they 214 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:18,839 Speaker 2: are going out and meeting members of the public. There 215 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 2: are rallies scheduled for the next all canceled. 216 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: I'd be terrified they and again members of Congress go 217 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: up close and personal in these communities. There is nothing, 218 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: nothing to stop anyone from getting to them when they 219 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: go back to their districts. They do not have secret service. 220 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 1: And even when you have secret service, as President Trump 221 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: will tell you, it's no guarantee that a bullet won't 222 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: whiz by your frickin' ear. So I don't what does 223 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:47,679 Speaker 1: this trigger. We were talking about this earlier. I think, right, 224 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,959 Speaker 1: does this send people on one side? Okay, now we 225 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 1: got to go get one of theirs mindset, and you 226 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: could see that happen if somebody on one side is 227 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: warped enough to do this, there is one on the 228 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 1: other side, correct. 229 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 2: And so to your point, you've got members of the 230 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 2: right and the left very concerned. And it does appear 231 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 2: that the folks who have been the most outspoken, who 232 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:15,559 Speaker 2: might be the most controversial in Congress, people like AOC, 233 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 2: Nancy Mace, they have absolutely come out. Alexandria Acassio Cortes. 234 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 2: AOC has postponed two events that were planned for this 235 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 2: weekend in North Carolina, including a rally in Raleigh that 236 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 2: was supposed to be out in the open in the public. 237 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 2: Nancy May's canceled all outdoor in public events for the 238 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 2: foreseeable future. She said she had an upcoming speaking gig 239 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 2: on a college campus. She's canceled that, and she added this, 240 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 2: I'm going to quote Nancy Mace today. She said, I 241 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 2: will have a firearm on my person all the time, 242 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 2: and I will have security. That's where she's at. Jim 243 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 2: Cliburn canceled events in Columbia and Charleston this weekend. There's 244 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 2: a congressman from Florida who said he has stopped holding 245 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 2: all outdoor events again for the foreseeable future. And he's 246 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 2: the one who told reporters not everybody wants to admit this, 247 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 2: but he said, this is the bottom line. People are 248 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 2: scared to death in this building, referring to the halls 249 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 2: of Congress. Damn and Speaker Mike Johnson has told reporters 250 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 2: he's been fielding calls all day from lawmakers asking more security, 251 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 2: and he said, look, if we gave members of Congress 252 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 2: to security they actually want and say they need now 253 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 2: in these times, he said, we were talking billions of dollars, 254 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 2: and we don't have the money as a nation, as 255 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 2: a country to provide the security that we would actually 256 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 2: have to to make these members feel safe. We just 257 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 2: don't have the finances for it. 258 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: And we shouldn't need them. I mean we shouldn't. I 259 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: think we do, but I'm just saying we shouldn't. This 260 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: is within how many years ago are we talking out 261 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one and this that these same members of 262 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: Congress are the same ones who were there for January secon. 263 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just thinking about that, right, they. 264 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: Have many of them, and you certainly in the Senate 265 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 1: it's not a lot of turnover. 266 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 2: Most of them were there were. 267 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: There for that And to think now after that event 268 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 1: where you literally you think your life is at risk 269 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: for the job that you hold. This is one I 270 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: side with them on whatever security they might want to 271 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 1: understand the bill, but this is one where this seems 272 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: like these are the times we're in. 273 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 2: I wouldn't want to be a lawmaker right now, and 274 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 2: especially an outspoken one, a controversial one. Look, you know, 275 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 2: this is how a lot of these folks get elected 276 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 2: because they say controversial things. They say things to rally 277 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 2: the base, and those are the exact kind of comments 278 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 2: that they're now concerned could get them killed. And I 279 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 2: understand that fear. It makes a lot of sense, but 280 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 2: I cannot recall in my almost thirty years now, actually 281 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 2: it is thirty years as a professional journalist where I 282 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 2: have seen this kind of fear among United States lawmakers. 283 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 2: I mean, they've lived through a lot, and look, a 284 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:08,919 Speaker 2: lot of these people live with daily death threats. This 285 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 2: is like commonplace to get death threats when you're a 286 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 2: lawmaker when you say things that people don't like or 287 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 2: don't agree with. So they're not thin skinned, I guess 288 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 2: is what I'm trying to say. This is a real 289 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:24,640 Speaker 2: fear based on real events that have been taking place. 290 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: Recent history, that people are following through on some of 291 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: the hate speech we are seeing in places, they're following 292 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: it up with action, with deadly action. Now, folks will 293 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: continue to update you. We do anticipate something from the 294 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: authorities in Utah today at some point, but they again 295 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 1: earlier robes of press conference this afternoon that they said 296 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 1: they are delaying. They did not give us an update 297 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:58,239 Speaker 1: on time. We have no idea when we will hear 298 00:17:58,280 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 1: from them again, but. 299 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:01,400 Speaker 2: We will certain stay on top of it and bring 300 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 2: you the very latest. But we do thank you for 301 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:07,439 Speaker 2: listening to us. And yeah, just you know, I do 302 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:09,640 Speaker 2: think in this moment, these types of moments, we need 303 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:14,360 Speaker 2: to we need to talk about these things. We need 304 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 2: to more talk, less action, more understanding, more empathy, just 305 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 2: trying to see the way other people view I just 306 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 2: I hope that's the wake up call that we are 307 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:28,640 Speaker 2: willing to communicate in a much more open minded way 308 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 2: with one another and not be so quick to demonize 309 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 2: the other side to the point where we get that angry. 310 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 2: There's that kind of hate in the world. Anyway, Okay, 311 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 2: thanks for listening to us. I may be Robock alongside TJ. Holmes, 312 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 2: stay tuned, we'll i'm sure, be checking in with you 313 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 2: very soon.