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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I almost famous podcast

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Speaker 2: It's almost famous podcast. We are here today with I

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Speaker 2: would say at this point our most consistently favorite co host,

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Speaker 2: Zachary Reality Zachary, welcome back.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for having me back.

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Speaker 4: I'm so excited to be back and excited to get

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Speaker 4: into it with you guys.

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Speaker 2: We have so much to get into. Let's start out

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Speaker 2: with this. We all have a take. I don't want

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Speaker 2: to say an opinion because that feels weird. A take. Gabby,

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Speaker 2: Wendy and Robbie got married. I think it was announced yet,

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Speaker 2: like this morning or yesterday. It was a seven and

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Speaker 2: ninety nine dollars Las Vegas wedding. The videos are out.

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Speaker 2: I hadn't even heard rumors that they were going to

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Speaker 2: get married. I mean we did. I don't think this

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Speaker 2: is a shock to anybody. They got married. I just

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Speaker 2: kind of heard rumors that they're even thinking about it.

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Speaker 2: Maybe I was out of the loop. So I'd love

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Speaker 2: to hear from you guys what I missed and what

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Speaker 2: you think of it all.

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Speaker 5: Well, they weren't engaged or so we didn't know they

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Speaker 5: were engaged. But yeah, I wonder where did the ceremony

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Speaker 5: take place. Do you know zach Las Vegas? Oh, I

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Speaker 5: know it loves Vegas. Was that like at the Little

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Speaker 5: White Wedding Chapel like so many other celebrities.

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Speaker 3: It was definitely out of chapel. They've moved.

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Speaker 4: They've been together for two years, so I don't think

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Speaker 4: it's the craziest thing in the world. It's like, I

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Speaker 4: don't know if fans think it was like after like

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Speaker 4: three months, but it definitely was a little shocking that

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Speaker 4: they kept it a secret for two months and then

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Speaker 4: it conveniently breaks the week of the Traders finale and reunion.

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Speaker 4: So that is the only opinion or take that I

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Speaker 4: have on Otherwise, like, good for them, it's how they

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Speaker 4: wanted to do it and seem fun.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Now I am so out of the loop, Zachary.

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Speaker 2: I have not been following anything, and so you're gonna

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Speaker 2: have to just teach me. And hopefully there's somebody listening

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Speaker 2: that doesn't know either, and so I'm not wasting their time.

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Speaker 2: Is Gabby still on Traders at this point?

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Speaker 4: She's gonna be in the finale, She's in the top six,

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Speaker 4: definitely the top five.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so this is a big week for her. It's

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Speaker 2: a huge show. Everybody's watching Traders this season. She's in

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Speaker 2: the top, you know, six or five, she's up there

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Speaker 2: at the top. She's going to be in the finale show.

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Speaker 2: And then at the same time she has this announcement

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Speaker 2: where she got married. I did see that there were

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Speaker 2: some like traditions to this ceremony that were implemented. They

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Speaker 2: did do it in Vegas. Do we know anything else

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Speaker 2: about the wedding.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they were married on January eleventh. Oh goodness, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: that's the date on the caption.

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Speaker 4: That's why I'm saying it's just weird, and I don't

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Speaker 4: you know. At this point, it's like Ashley.

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Speaker 3: You do this too.

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Speaker 4: I mean I think sometimes as a reality start, we

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Speaker 4: publicize and we could profit off of our personal lives

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Speaker 4: and you know all all you know, power tour.

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Speaker 5: So she definitely dropped these pictures, probably because of the Traders.

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Speaker 4: Finally, she probably talked about it at the Traders reunion,

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Speaker 4: which was the last week, and then she wanted to

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Speaker 4: you know, share it on her own terms before she

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Speaker 4: got into more depth talking about it on the reunion.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I do want to talk about social media strategy

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Speaker 2: here for a second. And I've never been one the

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Speaker 2: claim that I know what to do and when to

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Speaker 2: do it. But wouldn't this story you think be best

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Speaker 2: like saved because she's going to get pressed from being

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Speaker 2: on the reunion, so her name's going to be out

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Speaker 2: there in headlines. People are going to be talking about her.

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Speaker 2: If she waited one more month when this starts to

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Speaker 2: die down from Traders and then shared that she got married,

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Speaker 2: don't you think that would have been more beneficial?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 4: I think the reunion is the peak. It's going to

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Speaker 4: be the highest rated show. I always tell people like,

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Speaker 4: say everything you have to say at a reunion because

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Speaker 4: that's what everyone's watching. So I think that's why the

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Speaker 4: timing is the way it is.

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Speaker 5: Okay, perhaps there was some sort of proposal we're looking at.

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Speaker 5: I'm looking at the carousel photos right now on Instagram

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Speaker 5: and one of them says, will you marry me Gabby

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Speaker 5: we'll get the proposal story during the duraking etch a

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Speaker 4: Let's say something I think during the reunion. It's it's

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Speaker 4: so interesting because Gabby was just so different on the

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Speaker 4: Bachelor and on Dancing with the Stars. So it's just

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Speaker 4: like this new version of her, this new era, Like

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Speaker 4: I truly feel like she's piqued and she's become her

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Speaker 4: with everyone all over the world.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Okay, Zach, I might be asking a politically incorrect

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Speaker 5: question here, but I'm going to ask you. I know

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Speaker 5: you're part of the lgbtq Q community, so just ask him. So, okay,

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Speaker 5: she says husband and wife.

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Speaker 2: Is this that's a good question.

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Speaker 5: I'm just gonna like, let you take that over from here.

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Speaker 3: For sure. I don't think it matters.

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Speaker 4: I think sometimes I just say things without meaning, Like

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Speaker 4: I can call myself a she, but I'm not. I'm

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Speaker 4: still a boy. Like I'm not a she, but I

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Speaker 4: don't think we take labels that seriously. So I really

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Speaker 4: think it's probably all that.

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Speaker 2: Was he transitioned, right, I.

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Speaker 4: Don't think so, I don't know. I honestly don't know.

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Speaker 4: So I don't know why his pronouns. But I just

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Speaker 4: don't think the husband and wife was that deep. I

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Speaker 4: think it was just like a joking fun caption.

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Speaker 5: Okay, because she calls you know, because Gabby calls herself

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Speaker 5: a lesbian on.

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Speaker 4: Yeah the show? Right, yeah, so she's a lesbian. So

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Speaker 4: she says that I don't know what Robbie's pronouns are,

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Speaker 2: These are these are this is I think, Zachary, thanks

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Speaker 2: for answering these questions or walking through them with us

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Speaker 2: to kind of close this thought up. Was this the

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Speaker 2: this the first time Gabby had came out publicly and

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Speaker 2: said that she was a lesbian on Traders? Because it

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Speaker 4: The first episode someone asked her about The Bachelor and

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Speaker 4: she was like, oh, I'm a lesbian now. So she

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Speaker 4: said that on episode one, and she originally came out

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Speaker 4: as a lesbian on the View I think about two

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, that makes more sense. I was like,

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Speaker 2: why is this a story? I don't get it. I

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Speaker 2: I thought this was already a story, or she'd already

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Speaker 2: came out publicly. Well, with all this being said, congratulations

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Speaker 2: to Gabby because here's what I do know. Talk to

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Speaker 2: her close friends. I won't say name, some close friends

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Speaker 2: of hers within the Bachelor Nation world. When Gabby and

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Speaker 2: never forget it because I said, what is going on

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Speaker 2: what Gabby is walking into. And they said, Gabby is

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Speaker 2: so happy, They're so in love. They're gonna get married.

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Speaker 2: And I said, wow, Okay, that now clears up everything

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Speaker 2: So congratulations to the two of them on making it official.

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Speaker 2: It's a big deal. I'm also, though, quite honestly, from

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Speaker 2: I never thought this would happen. I never saw Robbi

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Speaker 2: But hey, they obviously love each other, they're obviously wanting

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Speaker 3: I mean she scored.

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Speaker 4: I mean Gabby Wendy is like hot as hot af

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Speaker 4: I mean like you gotta wipe that up while you can.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well that happened Las Vegas. Yeah, it is absolutely fantastic.

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Speaker 2: That was the first big story. Then we're gonna walk

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Speaker 2: into all these other stories that are happening in Bachelor Nation.

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Speaker 2: The reason that Zachary is here today we do a

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Speaker 2: Headlines episode every week breaking down these headlines that happen

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Speaker 2: in Bachelor Nation, and they're some big, some small. Most

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Speaker 2: of the time they're kind of passover headlines. We have

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Speaker 2: some headlines right now, including Gabby, that are ones that

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Speaker 2: we need to discuss with an expert, and that's why

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Speaker 2: Zachary is here. Ashley, last night, I'm getting text I

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Speaker 2: just had a newborn. You guys got to stop texting

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Speaker 2: me at eleven o'clock at night.

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Speaker 5: That's absolutely as Hey, it's not me, it's our producers.

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Speaker 5: But the point is, Zachary, you are kind of the

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Speaker 5: headline this week. Exciting Carol, who is one of the

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Speaker 5: more attention grabbing the contestants from this season of the Bachelor,

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Speaker 5: tell us about the drama that's going down between you two.

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Speaker 4: It's so crazy because she finally texted me back right

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Speaker 4: before we hopped on, like literally, gosh.

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Speaker 5: Perfect, good, good good. Maybe she knew, she had a

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Speaker 4: So thank god because now I know how she feels,

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Speaker 4: out on TikTok the full.

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Speaker 5: Story, So let's part one here. She went to Women

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Speaker 5: Till All this week, and she was quite public in

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Speaker 5: speaking about how she has gotten more screen time by

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Speaker 5: a lot than any other contestant on GRAMD season, which

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Speaker 5: is however, we have the data, the Bachelor data has

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Speaker 5: gotten out there and shown just how much screen time

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Speaker 5: she's gotten over anyone else. But she was kind of

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Speaker 5: ticked off that they didn't allow her to talk to

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Speaker 5: all the other major outlets that are there. They did

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Speaker 5: not want her there, and this did not make her

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Speaker 5: happy because I think she wanted to explain herself, and

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Speaker 5: she's alluding on her Instagram story that they didn't want

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I mean, from what I'm hearing, it sounds like the

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Speaker 4: So I think that there might have just been so

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Speaker 2: We'd love to talk to you. We don't want to

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Speaker 2: on edge right now. The show sucked for her. It

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Speaker 2: hasn't gone well. It's been a brutal experience since the beginning.

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Speaker 2: Airing it back was a brutal experience. She got the

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Speaker 2: most television time and most of it was just people

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Speaker 2: ripping on her. I get why she's on edge, But

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00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:16,399
Speaker 2: at that in three months, she's gonna like all this

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00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:18,040
Speaker 2: is gonna calm down. She's going to look back in

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00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,280
Speaker 2: this scenario with you and go I was so on

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Speaker 2: edge that I overreacted to something that was actually not

446
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Speaker 2: intentionally out to hurt me, and I'm sorry.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely. I hope that she realizes that. I'm sure she does.

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Speaker 4: And that's and I've noticed that she's gotten so much,

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Speaker 4: you know, backlash this season. So I was just really

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Speaker 4: disappointed that, you know, allegedly she spondered the opportunity at

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Speaker 4: the women tell all, because I really, like I was

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Speaker 4: saying earlier about reunions, that is your chance to say

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Speaker 4: it all. And that's why I gave her such good advice.

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Speaker 3: Before the tell all.

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Speaker 4: I sent her a long paragraph giving her advice, and

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Speaker 4: you know, it's unfortunate that she didn't take it.

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Speaker 5: And her complained. My take on her complaining about the

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Speaker 5: cameras following her than making a scene out of her

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Speaker 5: going backstage, It's like, yeah, well, you can't really complain

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Speaker 5: about your lack of privacy because you did sign up

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Speaker 5: for a reality show.

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Speaker 6: And yes, the cameras are going to follow you if

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Speaker 6: you're crying.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, crying. Crying is a matriate for cameras. Yeah, you

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Speaker 2: start crying, cameras are everywhere. I do want to ask you, guys,

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Speaker 2: you both are very familiar with the show. Would this

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Speaker 2: be the first time ever that somebody's walked off stage

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Speaker 2: at a reunion, like actually walked off stage.

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Speaker 5: And it sounds like she wasn't in the hot stage

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Speaker 5: and walked off stage, so I would say that it's

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Speaker 5: not that dramatic.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we I love a walk off stage moment.

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Speaker 4: Like Also, like I was, I was trying to rally

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Speaker 4: for her, like get people excited, like this tell all

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Speaker 4: is going to be lit, like she's gonna walk off stage,

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Speaker 4: like let's go. Like I was never trying to, like,

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Speaker 4: you know, make her uncomfortable because like, well, when we

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Speaker 4: see the show, then we can all be like, whoa,

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Speaker 4: what happened?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 4: So I will always give her the benefit of the doubt.

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Speaker 4: So I'm excited to see the tell all and see

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Speaker 4: how it plays out on TV. And obviously, you know

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Speaker 4: it gets cut down, so unfortunately things will be cut

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Speaker 4: and could be misconstrued. But I do hope that it

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Speaker 4: is portrayed as accurately as possible because I'm excited to

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Speaker 4: see what went down.

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Speaker 2: I'll be watching it now. I mean I was gonna

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Speaker 2: have to watch it before because we have to talk

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Speaker 2: about it, but I'll be really excited to watch this now,

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Speaker 2: knowing that at some point she gives the peace sign.

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Speaker 2: I mean that takes some courage, right, Ashley, You've been

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Speaker 2: on that stage before. To get up and walk out

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Speaker 2: takes a lot of like you either really mad or

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Speaker 2: you're very very strong. I would have never, in my

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Speaker 2: wildest dreams got off and walked off that stage. I

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Speaker 2: was so scared of the producers that I would have

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Speaker 2: that scene for as long as I need it.

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Speaker 5: That is so true. Yeah, if you don't want attention

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Speaker 5: stared your seat, I mean, I.

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Speaker 4: Get it, though, Like she probably was breaking, Like I'm

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Speaker 4: sure it's so brutal having ten to twelve girls to

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Speaker 4: come down your throat and you know, not being able

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Speaker 4: to articulate your feelings because you're so emotional. So like

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Speaker 4: she was probably waiting for that one moment that she

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Speaker 4: could just walk off stage and have a second to

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Speaker 4: herself and just break down. Like I'm sure that was

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Speaker 4: such a hard day for her. So I do want

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Speaker 4: to just apologize if I added anything to that to her.

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Speaker 4: I really just didn't ever wanted to do that. I

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Speaker 4: just felt like this was a situation that like everyone

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Speaker 4: had to be held accountable, and I helped myself accountable

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Speaker 4: as well.

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Speaker 5: And I also just want to mention that you and

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Speaker 5: I did defend Carolina a lot during this season. It

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Speaker 5: wasn't until the last episode that she was on that

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Speaker 5: I was like, Okay, maybe not the best move, but

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Speaker 5: there were a lot of reasons for her to be

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Speaker 5: upset throughout the season that I think I think she

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Speaker 5: got a bad rap for. And now, thanks Zach, you

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Speaker 5: have made us look forward to women tell All that

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Speaker 5: we don't really Yeah, thanks for being an advocate for

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Speaker 5: the show.

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Speaker 4: All a reunion a finale, Sign me up, I'm all

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00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,440
Speaker 4: about it that That is just like my ideal night

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Speaker 4: any time of the week is a reunion.

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Speaker 2: I love it each Have you ever been to a

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Speaker 2: Tell All Live?

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Speaker 4: Well, I just went to Jones Golden Bachelorette for the

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Speaker 4: first time ever. I was wanting to go for years,

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Speaker 4: so it was so exciting.

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Speaker 2: You got to get yourself a regular ticket to those things.

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Speaker 2: They're wild. When you're there in person, You're like, is

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Speaker 2: this really happening? Am I going to get to watch

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Speaker 2: this on television? Hey? Final thoughts? I know you and

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Speaker 2: Ashley talked about this. It's been what two weeks a

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Speaker 2: week and a half since you've been on the show.

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Speaker 2: Kind of your summary thoughts as Grant season comes to

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Speaker 2: an end. We just got through Hometowns, We're walking into

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Speaker 2: the week of Fantasy Suites. Are you still enjoying this

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Speaker 2: season as much as you did, you know two episodes ago.

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Speaker 4: I always enjoy it more towards the end, and that's

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Speaker 4: what I always tell everybody, like it always gets better

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Speaker 4: those last few episodes.

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Speaker 3: So let's go.

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Speaker 4: I'm so excited to see what's going to happen. I

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Speaker 4: am very confident on who he picks, but I am

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Speaker 4: not one hundred percent confident they are still together and

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Speaker 4: that things are hunky dory. So I am more excited

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Speaker 4: to see where this couple is at at after the

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Speaker 4: final rows, if they're actually going to make it work.

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Speaker 3: Are they putting on a show? Are they happy?

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Speaker 4: And that is what is getting me tuning in and

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Speaker 4: what is making me excited about the end of the season.

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Speaker 5: Zach, that's a whole other conversation.

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Speaker 4: We will have to leave it there for now, but

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Speaker 4: I will come back next week.

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Speaker 5: Why are you not so sure about the happy ending?

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Speaker 5: It would it have to do with what goes down

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Speaker 5: at the finale or something that has gone down since

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Speaker 5: they've gotten engaged.

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Speaker 4: Particularly I said, I'm not one hundred percent sure, but

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Speaker 4: I did hear that there could be some issues, some.

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Speaker 3: Issues, but it might not.

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Speaker 4: You know, I'm keeping it so vague, which sucks, right

566
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Speaker 4: because I don't want it because it's all right, But

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Speaker 4: there just could be, you know, there's something to look

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Speaker 4: forward to. I think there is going to be some

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Speaker 4: revelations and some drama, and I think fans are going

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Speaker 4: to be really excited to see what actually happens.

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Speaker 2: But the final two, how will Grant be remembered?

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Speaker 5: Then?

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Speaker 2: In your opinion, Zachary, at the end of all this,

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Speaker 2: making the assumptions you're making, knowing what you know and

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Speaker 2: what you've seen so far, how like, who would you

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00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 2: compare Grant to in terms of how people think of

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Speaker 2: him as the Bachelor?

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Speaker 4: I like the who I would say they'll maybe make it,

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Speaker 4: maybe compare him to Zach Shallcross.

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Speaker 2: I love Zach so much. We just don't think about

581
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Speaker 2: a season very and.

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Speaker 4: I am totally reserving all judgment for Grant so far.

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Speaker 4: I think he's done a great job as a bachelor.

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Speaker 4: He's been kind, respectful and mature, and I am you know,

585
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Speaker 4: will give my opinions when I see the episodes.

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Speaker 5: Can I say one thing before we wrap with you.

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Speaker 5: Ben has heard that he may pick a winner in

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Speaker 5: an unconventional way.

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Speaker 2: Do you hear the same the most unconventional way, like

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Speaker 2: a way that will make no fans happy?

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Speaker 3: I haven't heard anything like that.

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Speaker 2: Oh, okay, we'll wait and see.

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Speaker 5: I thought that was perhaps why there has been drama

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Speaker 5: with papers.

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Speaker 4: We will chats. We will chat so soon, I promise.

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Speaker 5: Okay, okay, let's do it. We'll have you back on soon.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, guys.

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Speaker 5: Until next time. I've been Ashley, and I've been.

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Speaker 3: Ben, and I've been Zachary, say all.

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