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Speaker 1: Hey, Bessie's Hello Sunshine.

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Speaker 2: Today on the bright Side, join us for a crash

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Speaker 2: course in navigating tricky social situations with the etiquette expert

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Speaker 2: Sarah Jane Hoe. From mastering the proper way to split

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Speaker 2: a birthday dinner bill to how to exit a conversation

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Speaker 2: at a party without any awkwardness. Tune in and level

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Speaker 2: up your social skills with style and even a little humor.

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Speaker 2: It's Thursday, August eighth. I'm Danielle Robe and.

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Speaker 1: I'm Simone Voice, and this is the bright Side from

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Speaker 1: Hello Sunshine, a daily show where we come together to

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Speaker 1: share women's stories, lave, learn and brighten your day.

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Speaker 2: Manners Manners, Manners, Etiquette, ECTICU Connectiquette. How do you feel, Simone?

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Speaker 1: Okay, here's my question about modern etiquette, Danielle. Do you

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Speaker 1: find yourself more often than not pleasantly surprised by other

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Speaker 1: people and their etiquette or unfortunately disappointed.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna be honest, I am constantly shocked by people's

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Speaker 2: lack of manners and etiquette.

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad you said that, because I feel the

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Speaker 1: exact same way. Really, yes, I feel like where is

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Speaker 1: everyone's mother's like who raised you?

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Speaker 2: And fathers. Yes, where did where did they come from? Like,

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Speaker 2: I don't understand why basic things that I guess you

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Speaker 2: and I take for granted are not practiced in society.

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Speaker 2: I find it constantly in airports and airplanes because like

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Speaker 2: the worst of people come out. It's like animalistic on

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Speaker 2: an airplane.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is true.

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Speaker 2: But even basic stuff like holding doors or saying excuse

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Speaker 2: me if you knock into somebody. I found it. It's

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Speaker 2: gotten worse since COVID.

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Speaker 1: Yes, this is true. Well, okay, when you said airplanes

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Speaker 1: made me think of our debate that we were having

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Speaker 1: the other day in Nashville. I knew, So are you

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Speaker 1: gonna bring this up public? We're gonna bring it up. Okay,

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Speaker 1: settle a debate for us, everyone right side? Besties? Can

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Speaker 1: you take your shoes off on a plane. My approach

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Speaker 1: is you can take them off as long as you

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Speaker 1: have like some civilized cute socks to wear. Maybe you

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Speaker 1: know airplane socks. What do you think?

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Speaker 2: So that's team Simone. If your team Danielle, you feel

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Speaker 2: like it's never okay to take your shoes off on

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Speaker 2: an airplane. The only time I think it's okay is

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Speaker 2: if you're in your own little pod. Like if you

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Speaker 2: are lucky in sitting in business class or first class

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Speaker 2: and no one's around you, it's okay. If you are

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Speaker 2: in coach with me, you better keep your shoes on.

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Speaker 1: Okay, But what about like a twenty hour flight from

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Speaker 1: here to Asia? Would you not take off your shoes

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Speaker 1: on a twenty four hour flight?

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Speaker 2: I flew to Japan and China and I kept my

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Speaker 1: Why do you have such strong airplane etiquette, Danielle? Where

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Speaker 1: does this come from?

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Speaker 2: I think there's different etiquette for when you are alone

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Speaker 2: and there's certain things you just don't do. Like your

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Speaker 2: feet are probably a little smelly, don't like I don't

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Speaker 2: want to see them outside of your shoes. We wear

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Speaker 2: shoes in public for a reason.

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Speaker 1: Just get some of that lavender magnesium spray and then

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Speaker 1: everyone will be happy. Okay. I recently wore pajamas on

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Speaker 1: the plane. What do you think about that? Were you

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Speaker 1: silently judging me? No?

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Speaker 2: I actually loved it. The pajamas were very cute. And

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Speaker 2: also what you wear doesn't affect me, So I'm good

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Speaker 2: with whatever you want to do. But once you take

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Speaker 2: your feet out of your shoes, it starts to affect me.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so your thing is airplane etiquette for me. I

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Speaker 1: think people be acting a full round birthdays. I just

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Speaker 1: think that the expectations are two great nowadays. I think

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Speaker 1: people are expecting the attendees to shell out a lot

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Speaker 1: of money for something that happens every single year, same day,

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Speaker 1: same time. And I think we see this same pattern

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Speaker 1: when it comes to weddings and bridal parties and bachelorette parties. Like,

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Speaker 1: my kind of people are the people who are really

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Speaker 1: just gracious and understanding of the fact that everyone is

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Speaker 1: coming into the celebration with a different level of means.

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Speaker 1: And I think being a good friend and having good

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Speaker 1: etiquette means being conscious of that. Yeah, that's why we

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Speaker 1: are so happy that we have Sarah Jane Hoe here

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Speaker 1: today because she is going to settle many a score

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Speaker 1: for us. She's a Harvard Business School grad, the founder

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Speaker 1: of an etiquette school in China, and really, at the

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Speaker 1: end of the day, here's her why. She says she's

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Speaker 1: on a mission to help women move through the world

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Speaker 1: more confidently and often. That can include improving our manners

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Speaker 1: or learning more about manners internationally. I mean, she's lived

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Speaker 1: all around the world and she brings that lived experience

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Speaker 1: when she explores how culture impacts different social norms.

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Speaker 2: And speaking of those social norms, here's a fun fact post.

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Speaker 2: Malone once reached out to her on his trip to

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Speaker 2: Asia to ask her how to navigate some of those

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Speaker 2: social differences. So she is really the go to expert.

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Speaker 2: And here's what I particularly love about her work. Yes,

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Speaker 2: manners and etiquette are about decorum, but they are also

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Speaker 2: about our relationships. Sarah Jane Hoe says, manners actually create ease,

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Speaker 2: which elevate our connections. So let's get into it. After

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Speaker 2: the break, We're talking modern manners with etiquette expert Sarah

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Speaker 2: Jane Hoe.

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Speaker 1: Stick with us, Sarah Jane, Welcome to the bright Side.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you for having me. Ladies.

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Speaker 2: Sarah Jane Simone and I were just talking about the

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Speaker 2: lack of manners and etiquette that we see play out

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Speaker 2: in our own lives when it comes to birthdays and airports.

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Speaker 2: But we want your expert opinion on a different scenario.

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Speaker 2: We've both experienced this. Okay, let's say I'm at a

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Speaker 2: party and I want to end a conversation with somebody.

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Speaker 2: What is the most polite way to do that?

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Speaker 4: Well, the great thing is you're at a party, so

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Speaker 4: you can use other people as props, and as long

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Speaker 4: as you're able to do it in an agreeable tone. I

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Speaker 4: mean usually, Like, the thing is that you don't want

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Speaker 4: to leave someone alone, right, So what I would say is,

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Speaker 4: so I'm gonna go meet my friend, would you like

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Speaker 4: to come with me? And then usually you'll kind of

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Speaker 4: lose them in the crowd. I love that, right, you

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Speaker 4: speak yeah, and you know, listen, Like, I'm not pretending

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Speaker 4: to be miss goody two shoes. I'm mismattered with a

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Speaker 4: touch of Machi belli. So okay, we got to be practical.

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Speaker 4: I'm not telling anybody how to be a good person. Like,

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Speaker 4: how you want to live your life is up to you.

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Speaker 4: I'm just giving you etiquette tips, practical tips that can

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Speaker 4: help you get ahead in your life.

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Speaker 1: That's interesting, Well, that little machiavellian portion reminds me of

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Speaker 1: some research that you've presented. You've said that it can

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Speaker 1: take as little as a second and up to two

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Speaker 1: minutes for someone to make a first impression. What is

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Speaker 1: the secret to making a good first impression? How do

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Speaker 1: you make the most of it?

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, if it's less than a second, that's

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Speaker 4: before you even open your mouth. And so that's visually.

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Speaker 3: How are you presenting yourself?

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Speaker 1: So what are we talking about with the visuals? Is

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Speaker 1: it posture? Is it the way you're dressed?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it could be body language. So for example,

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Speaker 4: are you approaching people like with closed body language? And

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Speaker 4: just things like if you're wearing glasses, your glasses dirty

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Speaker 3: Or are they clean?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 4: It is your hair greasy? Basic hygiene is a huge thing.

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Speaker 4: So hair, skin, face, nails, all these things. Is your

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Speaker 4: manicure half grown out? You know, I don't do manicures

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Speaker 4: on my fingers because I'm really sporty, so I'm always

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Speaker 4: breaking something. And then if you don't up keep it

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Speaker 4: straight away, then it looks you know, you're looking behind.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so we've got the visual component of the first impression.

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Speaker 1: What comes next.

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Speaker 4: Eye contact and smile? You know, there's something funny about smiling. Plusly,

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Speaker 4: it costs you nothing. Secondly, it's behavior from the outside in.

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Speaker 4: So if we all smile now, right, big smile, it

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Speaker 4: actually makes you feel happier, even if you want into

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Speaker 4: originally feeling that happy.

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Speaker 2: You also want to smile back. It's like a compulsion.

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Speaker 4: Yes, and babies and this is in research before they

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Speaker 4: even know how to speak. If you smile a baby

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Speaker 4: from no matter where they are in the world, they

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Speaker 4: will smile back at you. It's the one universal language.

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Speaker 4: And so to me, it's establishing a rapport. It's positive energy.

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Speaker 4: It brings so much joy to the other person, right,

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Speaker 4: they immediately feel like smiling back. And I say, because

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Speaker 4: some people like, oh what if the other person doesn't

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Speaker 4: smile back? What if they ignore me? You know what,

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Speaker 4: that's more of their issue than yours, because they may

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Speaker 4: be having a bad day or they're probably just not

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Speaker 4: a very confident or happy person, and that's not your problem.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well said, etiquette has a lot to do with ease,

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Speaker 2: and that makes me think of putting people at ease

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Speaker 2: and our connections and our relationships with people. How do

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Speaker 2: you think understanding manners and etiquette helps strengthen those relationships

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Speaker 2: and those connections.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Sometimes people will come up to me and they'll say,

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Speaker 4: Sir Jane, I have really bad etiquette because I'm too honest.

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Speaker 4: But that person doesn't exactly understand the meaning of etiquette,

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Speaker 4: because etiquete should not be restricting people thinking, Oh, it

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Speaker 4: means that I can't say what I feel, I can't

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Speaker 4: do what I want, I can't say I noticed something,

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Speaker 4: I countant boundaries. But actually etiquette empowers you to, let's say,

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Speaker 4: in a networking reception or a cocktail or a party,

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Speaker 4: identify somebody who's interesting to you, or maybe a perspective

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Speaker 4: and confidence to go approach them, introduce yourself, initiate conversation.

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Speaker 4: You also have the sensitivity to know when you should

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Speaker 4: end a conversation with that person, so you're not hogging

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Speaker 4: their time when everybody should be mingling, and you know

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Speaker 4: how to end the conversation a way that makes them

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Speaker 4: want to see you again, that doesn't offend, that's elegant,

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Speaker 4: that makes them open to leaving you their contact information.

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Speaker 1: What should we do in that scenario. Let's say, because

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Speaker 1: this is actually really valuable advice, I go to events

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Speaker 1: all the time. Let's say there's someone across the room

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Speaker 1: that I want to go up and introduce myself to.

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Speaker 1: What is the best way to do that.

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Speaker 4: Well, first you have to see is this person alone

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Speaker 4: it's just two of them, or are they in a

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Speaker 4: bigger group conversation. And because if they're one on one

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Speaker 4: in a really intense convo, then you might want to

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Speaker 4: wait till they've broken that up, right, And then the

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Speaker 4: first thing you should do is go over there, hover,

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Speaker 4: get eye contact. Once you have eye contact, then everything

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Speaker 4: else is easy. Right. You immediately smile. That should be

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Speaker 4: like your reflex after making eye contact with someone, and

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Speaker 4: then immediately say Hi, you know I'm I'm Sarah Jane Hoe.

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Speaker 4: I've been following your work and I'm really intrigued.

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Speaker 3: I just wanted to introduce myself.

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Speaker 4: If you don't follow all those things back to back,

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Speaker 4: then you're in this awkward position where, Okay, you've made

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Speaker 4: eye contact, the person knows you're there, but then you

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Speaker 4: haven't jumped in and introduced yourself, right, and you're kind

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Speaker 4: of left hanging.

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Speaker 2: And if you jump in with like a whole story

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Speaker 2: about their work before you introduce yourself, it gets a

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Speaker 2: little awkward too, totally.

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Speaker 4: So you want to say enough where they're interested, but

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Speaker 4: not too much where like it just becomes a one

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Speaker 1: Is there a piece of etiquette advice that's outdated for

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Speaker 3: Handwritten thank you letters?

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Speaker 2: So in tandem with this, let's talk about gift giving,

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Speaker 1: That American accent.

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Speaker 3: I've spent enough time in the States.

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Speaker 2: And I try and learn from that because it is

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Speaker 4: You want you want to feed the ego of the giver.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you've shared such great advice today, so we want

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Speaker 3: Who bring it on?

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Speaker 2: You're okay with that?

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna come out the gate pretty hot disciplining

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Speaker 4: Cool for the stewardo stewardess and tell them privately, say

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Speaker 1: Okay, I have a question about group dinner etiquette. People

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we've all been there. Maybe we came to the

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Speaker 3: Right, so they make up eighty percent of the bill.

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Speaker 4: personal thing is like, Okay, I'm gonna buy the bullet

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Speaker 1: This is what I expect.

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Speaker 4: I did an Instagram video on this, yeah, and got

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we've all either been that friend or been with

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Speaker 4: Right, So then you you say, guys, I only had

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Speaker 1: I want to know what some of your other hot

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Speaker 4: Well, oh, here was a fun one and it actually

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Speaker 4: showed cultural context. So I get a lot of dms

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Speaker 4: with questions and so I answer them by video. One

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Speaker 3: How should I deal with it?

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Speaker 4: And in my answer I said, I will never admit

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Speaker 4: I'll say, yes, of course.

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Speaker 3: I remember, So what was your name? Again?

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Speaker 4: So I remember them, but I just didn't remember the name.

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Speaker 4: And then there was some comments on that Instagram that said, oh,

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Speaker 4: So I was like, this is really interesting, and there

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Speaker 4: about giving people face. You don't want to let other

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Speaker 1: I always bring a friend over and introduce them. That's

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Speaker 3: It's the best hack.

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Speaker 1: And then they I get them to say their name

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Speaker 1: so I can record it exactly. Nobody knows they're none

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Speaker 3: That's the number one go to tip.

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Speaker 3: Love listening to questions. Let's hear it first step.

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Speaker 6: Hi, sar Jeane, thank you so much for taking my question.

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Speaker 6: My name is Emma, and I am out there. I'm

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Speaker 6: trying to date, but it's pretty exhausting and I just

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Speaker 6: want to know what's a way that I can gracefully

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Speaker 6: excuse myself from a date when I realize there's not

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Speaker 6: a connection. And I'm not talking about the minute I

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Speaker 6: sit down. I'm just saying I've had one drink, it's

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Speaker 6: not working. How do I call a quick ending to

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Speaker 6: the encounter.

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Speaker 3: Thanks so much, Emma, I love you, I am you.

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Speaker 2: I am so happy you asked this, Sarah Jane.

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Speaker 1: What do you think?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And so this is why for first dates, you

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Speaker 4: never wanted to be dinner or a meal or something

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Speaker 4: where you're forced to spend you know, sixty to ninety minutes.

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Speaker 4: So smart a coffee or a drink is the best

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Speaker 4: way to go. I would even say stall with coffee

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Speaker 4: because you want to see what they look like in daytime,

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Speaker 4: and with drinks so you can still control that. But

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Speaker 4: it just feels like drinks may need to be longer

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Speaker 4: than a coffee. Now, I would say, even with a coffee,

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Speaker 4: at least give it fifteen minutes, Like, you know, the

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Speaker 4: person put.

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Speaker 3: Their face on, put their clothes on, they traveled over

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Speaker 3: here to meet you.

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Speaker 2: Fifteen is very short.

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Speaker 4: I'm saying minimum. That's what I've done on a first date.

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Speaker 4: About maybe I probably did twenty minutes. Was when I

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Speaker 4: then looked at my watch and I said, well, you know,

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Speaker 4: it was thank you so much for.

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Speaker 3: Coming out and meeting with me.

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Speaker 4: And what do you have planned for the rest of

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Speaker 4: the day. Hey, listen, like there's only twenty four hours

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Speaker 4: in a day. If you want to give longer, if

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Speaker 4: you have more time in your day, you want to

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Speaker 4: give thirty minutes, you want to give forty five minutes,

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Speaker 4: that's up to you. But the best way to end

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Speaker 4: it is to then ask them, well, it was so

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Speaker 4: great meeting you, so what do you have planned for

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Speaker 4: the rest of the day, because that pushes them there

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Speaker 4: attention from like being on you to oh I need

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Speaker 4: to go pick up my kids. Oh I need to

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Speaker 4: you know, go to the post office or run an errand,

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Speaker 4: and then you maybe look at your watch say oh, gosh,

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Speaker 4: like I just realized, like I need to go back

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Speaker 4: and meet at four o'clock deadline something for my boss

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Speaker 4: that they wanted. If that's still talking, but I'm in

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Speaker 4: a rush, I don't want it to be too abrupt,

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Speaker 4: so I'll say, oh, let's walk in talk, let's walk

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Speaker 4: to our cause that's a good one.

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Speaker 1: Right up, next, we've got a question from a Sebastian

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Speaker 1: in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 5: Either My name is Sebastian and I just had a

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Speaker 5: quick question on proper host etiquette.

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Speaker 1: How do you.

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Speaker 5: Politely uninvite someone from a party that you had previously

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Speaker 5: invited while still maintaining your friendship with them and doing

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Speaker 5: so in a polite manner.

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Speaker 4: Listen, we've all been there when we're like, ah, Okay,

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Speaker 4: maybe I should have invited this person. It really is

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Speaker 4: bad etiquette to disinvite them. But what you can say

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Speaker 4: is you can say something like, oh, we've moved the meal.

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Speaker 4: We're postponing the dinner because the guests of honor can't

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Speaker 4: make it, or like blah blah blah.

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Speaker 3: This only works if they don't know the other people.

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Speaker 4: Who are coming right then you can say, ah, I'm

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Speaker 4: moving the meal to another day. I'll let you know

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Speaker 4: when it is, and then you just don't let them

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Speaker 4: know when the other days, or you wait till another

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Speaker 4: time when it's better to invite them and you include them.

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Speaker 3: If they do know.

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Speaker 4: The other people going, then that can be awkward. It

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Speaker 4: also depends like, are you what's the reason that you're

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Speaker 4: uninviting them for? Have they done something to greatly offend

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Speaker 4: you in the interim? In that case, you can be honest.

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Speaker 4: You can say, listen, like what you did to me

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Speaker 4: for blah blah blah really hurt me. I'm not ready

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Speaker 4: to see you or speak to you right now, and

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Speaker 4: I'm not comfortable with you coming to my dinner anymore.

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Speaker 3: I need some time and I'll reach out when I'm ready.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 4: If let's say they didn't do anything and you just

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Speaker 4: want to uninvite them from the dinner, that's a little trickier.

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Speaker 4: Just make sure you don't post on social media and

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Speaker 4: make sure everybody else is in the no. But then

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Speaker 4: the risk with that is it could get back to them.

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Speaker 1: I that that's really good.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much, great, thank you, Simone, Thank you, Danielle.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: Sarah Jane Sarah Jane Hoe is an author, et aiquidd expert,

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Speaker 2: and Daytime Emmy nominated host of Mine Your Manners on Netflix.

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Speaker 1: That's it for today's show. Tomorrow, we're popping off with

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Speaker 1: Taren Delaney Smith and achiang Agutu, co hosts of Hello,

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Speaker 1: Sunshine's new talk show.

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Speaker 2: Influenced Listen and Follow the bright Side on the iHeartRadio app,

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Speaker 2: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Speaker 1: I'm Simone Voice. You can find me at Simone Voice

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Speaker 1: on Instagram and TikTok.

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Speaker 2: I'm Danielle Robe on Instagram and TikTok. That's ro b

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Speaker 2: a Y.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you tomorrow, keep looking on the bright side,