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Speaker 1: Advice, naughty night show. I'm used to Rob Shooter and

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Speaker 1: it's Thursday, year, which means our dear friend Mark Lupo

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Speaker 1: joins us, luby, are you there where else would I

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Speaker 1: be on a Thursday? Hello? You never know. I'm always

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Speaker 1: surprised that we pull this off. I know now I've

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Speaker 1: been doing it for a year or so, and I love,

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Speaker 1: love doing it. I think I can say that we're

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Speaker 1: great at the gossip. We're not the best that the technology. Mark.

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Speaker 1: I will say over the past two years, there's been many,

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Speaker 1: many stressful moments when it comes to technology, but the

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Speaker 1: tea is always hot hot. We can do this. I

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Speaker 1: have no doubt that all of us can talk about

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Speaker 1: gossip for hours and hours and hours. In fact, our

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Speaker 1: when it comes to hit and record, Mark, I'm never

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Speaker 1: totally confident. So here we are. Thankfully it is working again.

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Speaker 1: Thank the Lord. Hey, let's jump in the show. We've

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Speaker 1: got so much Gussie have to get to What time

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Speaker 1: is it, my friends? It is time. This Ben Affleck

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Speaker 1: story is blowing up. So Ben made some comments about

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Speaker 1: Jennifer Gardner and now he's receiving some backlash. So Ben

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Speaker 1: went on The Howard Stern Show and talks about his

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Speaker 1: issues with alcoholism, saying that he probably shouldn't have been

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Speaker 1: drinking when he was married, which I think is a

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Speaker 1: very good point, But he went on from there to

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Speaker 1: make more remarks. Let me give you those remarks. Quote.

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Speaker 1: Part of why I was drinking was because I was trapped.

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Speaker 1: Trapped in his marriage, is what he's saying. I was like,

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Speaker 1: I couldn't leave because of my kids, but I'm not happy.

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Speaker 1: What do I do? And what I did was I

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Speaker 1: which turned out not to be the solution. That many

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Speaker 1: fans are outraged by this. It seems like he's blaming

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Speaker 1: his ex wife for his drinking problems. One person said

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Speaker 1: Jennifer Garner helped put him into rehab three years after

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Speaker 1: they already separated. Another person wrote, Jennifer Garner did not

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Speaker 1: drive you to drink. She drove you to rehab. What

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Speaker 1: comments are saying this is an effing low blow about

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Speaker 1: your relationship and the mother of your children. And another

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Speaker 1: person pointed out that trying to blame somebody else for

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Speaker 1: your drinking is not a good idea. What do you

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Speaker 1: think about all this market's blowing up? Rob, I am

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Speaker 1: so disgusted by this whole story. Right, she is the

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Speaker 1: mother of his three kids. But also, let's not forget

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Speaker 1: she was the one who drove him through a swarm

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Speaker 1: the way to rehab. Like, that is your that is

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Speaker 1: your writer, die right, how did you do that? What

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Speaker 1: is your problem? How could you do that? Now, he

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Speaker 1: is responding, he went on Jimmy Kimmel last night and

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Speaker 1: he said that it is not true. He said he

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Speaker 1: saw the websites, which he calls click bait, and he said,

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Speaker 1: I looked at it, and they literally have taken a

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Speaker 1: conversation that I had for two hours and made it

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Speaker 1: seem like I said the exact opposite. He added, I

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Speaker 1: would never say a bad word about my kids. MoMA.

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Speaker 1: I listened to the conversation. He said it, he said it.

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Speaker 1: We can't afford to play the clips on this show,

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Speaker 1: but we can tell you what he said. He said it.

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Speaker 1: He said it, And this is what makes me laugh

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Speaker 1: about celebrities sometimes when they don't like what the reporters

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Speaker 1: or the writers, right, they blame the media and what

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Speaker 1: for what they've said. And it's like, take responsibility and

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Speaker 1: you said it, you made a mistake. There's backlash. Now

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Speaker 1: you have to own it absolutely. Now, if a source

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Speaker 1: had said this, if this was a sourced story, then

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Speaker 1: apparently felt trapped in his marriage, and sources tell us

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Speaker 1: that he didn't, then I can get it. Fight back.

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Speaker 1: You said this, you're on tape saying it. And now

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Speaker 1: instead of saying, I really messed up. I shouldn't have

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Speaker 1: have to be a celebrator to follow this advice. If

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Speaker 1: you say something dumb, and we all do, Goodness knows things,

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Speaker 1: you say sorry, you say that's how you get out

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Speaker 1: it's going to keep going. Answer now today, because of

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Speaker 1: be another day of stories. Already Paid six are reporting

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Speaker 1: Jaylo's reaction, which apparently she's living. I would be too.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to be dragged into this I'm trying

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Speaker 1: know the answer to this. Hey, go vote on actually

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Speaker 1: a page and naughty nicer armor and Facebook page is

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Speaker 1: naughty gossip. You can leave a comment there and be

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Speaker 1: sure to check back to borow to hear your results. LUPI,

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Speaker 1: what are you working on? Bethany? Bethany, Bethany one another one?

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Speaker 1: So Bethany. Franklos added again. This time she's claiming she

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Speaker 1: didn't want to prenup with her ex. Okay, let me

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Speaker 1: let me break this down for you. So Bethany said,

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Speaker 1: saying I do was quote unquote embarrassing. So Bethany said,

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Speaker 1: television fair enough. But then she went on to say,

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Speaker 1: rob and true Bethany fashion. In two thousand and sixteen,

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Speaker 1: an attorney for Frankel told People magazine that the two

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Speaker 1: in fact, did have a pre nuptial agreement. Where do

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Speaker 1: you stand on this? So this is all just canting taboo.

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Speaker 1: This is just Bethany talking for the second talking. She

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Speaker 1: want one, Bethany, because it was embarrassing and he was

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Speaker 1: It's such a crazy thing for somebody who got an

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Speaker 1: iron clad prenup. Let's be clear about she has a

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Speaker 1: pre nup, she executed the prenup. She had a very

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Speaker 1: it's a sign of emotional intelligence. It's a sign of

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Speaker 1: confidence that you you know you're going Marriage is a

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Speaker 1: Bruce said I would have signed on if he had asked,

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Speaker 1: away with me. Thursday I was like this looks really good, distracted, distracted,

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Speaker 1: I was like, oh, well what he never never asked,

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Speaker 1: And that's what drives me crazy about Bethany. Frank Will,

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Speaker 1: I think people that listen to this podcast, no, I

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Speaker 1: she was famous. Beth he wants it both ways. Bethany

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Speaker 1: leading to that, I respect you more. Just be honest.

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Speaker 1: There is no way you were marrying anybody without a prenum.

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Speaker 1: In fact, I'm surprised when your daughter wasn't born, that

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Speaker 1: she wasn't made to sign something. He doesn't share her

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Speaker 1: money spotlights. It's the Bethany Show. I sort of love

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Speaker 1: her saying this, and yes, we're doing the story she

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Speaker 1: once again. I think Bethany's just being a wizard at

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Speaker 1: PR she's great at getting attention. Hey, moving along, this

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Speaker 1: story made me sad. Telly Clarkson said she might be

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Speaker 1: single forever. She has trouble seeing red flags, so she's

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Speaker 1: And then Andy Cohen, who she was talking to, he

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Speaker 1: Kelly said. Kelly said, I don't know if I'd ever

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Speaker 1: Andy said he loves to go on a cocktail date,

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Speaker 1: and Kelly was like, I'm more of a coffee date

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Speaker 1: to this story that just I love Mark as somebody

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Speaker 1: that he's single, but dating, do you see the red flags? Oh? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Kelly might be wondering, but well, that's that's true. That

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Speaker 1: many many, many people do listen. No, but Kelly is

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Speaker 1: that Kelly is such a sweet person. Yeah, she's a superstar.

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Speaker 1: She's very sweet. I've met her before and she's lovely

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Speaker 1: This is not the like when you see the red

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Speaker 1: my older years, I've become more of like, hey, thanks

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Speaker 1: I try to be kind. I haven't dated for a

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Speaker 1: to be kind even with friends. Like a lot of

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Speaker 1: people want to become my friend and it's flattering, except

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Speaker 1: much more interesting. And I know right away if I

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Speaker 1: really want to be friends with you. But I do

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Speaker 1: like this conversation too, about do you have a drink

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Speaker 1: or a coffee? Now, I like to drink, so I

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Speaker 1: like a bottle of you. No, but I make it

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Speaker 1: very clear. I'm only available from seven to eight. So

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