1 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: Welcome to forties and free Agents. 2 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 2: I am Greg Rosenthal, with the best draft analyst in 3 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 2: the business. But who am I talking about? Daniel Teremiah 4 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,040 Speaker 2: of course. But for the first time on forties and 5 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 2: free Agents this season, we're introducing a guest, Ollie Connelly. 6 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 2: You might know him from NFL Daily and his read 7 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 2: optional substack DJ give a welcome to another draft analyst. 8 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: You don't have to be the only one. 9 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 3: First of all, I thought for sure you're just going 10 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 3: to go straight in that direction. That would have been 11 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 3: it was all set up on a tee for you. 12 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 3: But no, I'm stoke have Ali on here. It's fun 13 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 3: to get a chance to chat about these guys and 14 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 3: to talk about someone that talked to someone personally that 15 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:43,879 Speaker 3: I haven't had a chance to visit with on this 16 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:45,919 Speaker 3: subject because a lot of times you get hung up 17 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:48,239 Speaker 3: on the same debates in the same conversations when you're 18 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 3: talking to the same people. So excited to have you, man, 19 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 3: Thanks for coming. 20 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 4: Delighted to be here. I like that Greg did not 21 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 4: have the goods just say he knew in his soul. 22 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 4: I I can't say that with any sincerity all clarity. 23 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:04,039 Speaker 2: Thank you, not right, you are my two favorites though, 24 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 2: and that was why for this episode, we're getting closer 25 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 2: and closer to the actual draft. I thought it'd just 26 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 2: be fun for me personally. This is very selfish. Just 27 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:14,919 Speaker 2: just throw some jump balls in the air and listen 28 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 2: to two of the smartest guys in the business, kind 29 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:18,839 Speaker 2: of bat around a few names. 30 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 1: And one thing we haven't done, weirdly. 31 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 2: DJ on this show is talk about quarterbacks even a little. 32 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 2: So I just thought that would be a fun place 33 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 2: to start, because I haven't really heard you talking depth. 34 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 2: Obviously you have Bernando Mendoza number one, but I'd like 35 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 2: to hear YouTube guys talk about him a little bit 36 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 2: about what you think like he does well and if 37 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 2: there is a concern, like where are that concern is? 38 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, I mean there's Look, there's no perfect players 39 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 3: ever and in this draft as well. So I have 40 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 3: Mendoza's my top guy. I have him as a top quarterback. 41 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 3: I have him as a top player. The things that 42 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 3: you like, some of them are the obvious things. I mean, 43 00:01:57,160 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 3: he's right now, he's about two hundred and forty pounds, 44 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 3: he's six five, He's a big, big, strong dude. He's durable, 45 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 3: he's tough, he's smart. All the stuff you get off 46 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 3: the field in terms of the focus, the work ethic, 47 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 3: all that stuff is excellent. Then on the field, I thought, 48 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 3: you know, when you watch him, he's a he's more 49 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 3: of a drive thrower than a layer thrower. Like there's 50 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 3: different styles of how you throw a football. Get Like, 51 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:21,799 Speaker 3: if you think about Herbert, how Herbert throws, Herbert's a 52 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 3: power thrower more than a layer thrower. Whereas like Matthew 53 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 3: Stafford's maybe one of the few guys who can you know, 54 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 3: live in all worlds and do all that stuff equally well, 55 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 3: you know, like Brock Perdy will get the Ty Simpson 56 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 3: that's more. That's how he throws the ball a little 57 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 3: bit more. He can get up and down layer throws, 58 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 3: but he's a power drive thrower. One of the criticisms 59 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 3: on him is that he's a little bit robotic. If 60 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 3: you go back and look at you know, my notes 61 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 3: on Herbert when he was coming out, you'd see some 62 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 3: of the same you know, lines in there about being okay, 63 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 3: well it's a little bit too robotic because he just 64 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 3: play a little more loose. Could we free him up 65 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 3: a little bit? But he's been great late games, he's 66 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 3: been great, third downs, red zone, all that stuff has 67 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 3: been excellent. So you know, it took a billion sacks 68 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 3: music cal playing on a bad team that got a 69 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 3: lot better this year. And Oli, I'll hitch you on 70 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 3: this one too. But like in my conversations with Orlavsky, 71 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 3: a lot of it is he's talking about, you know, 72 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 3: what the offense is and what they're asking him to do. 73 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 3: And I've tried to tell Dan, at least my opinion 74 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 3: of it, my experience of it is you got to 75 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 3: be careful not grading systems and what players are asked 76 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 3: to do. That Indiana team had a very specific formula 77 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 3: to win games, which was, we have a really good defense, 78 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 3: We're going to stay in games. Hey, if you have 79 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 3: to take a sack or throw the ball away, let's 80 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 3: not live dangerously in the first three quarters of these games. 81 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 3: And then they kind of open him up a little 82 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 3: bit later for him to make big throws. So that's 83 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:44,119 Speaker 3: kind of a scattershot view for me on Mendoza. 84 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not going to ding a guy for playing 85 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 4: in a system where the system boat raced everyone on 86 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 4: the way to the championship. I'm good with like him 87 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 4: just operating the system. How you care about how they 88 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 4: operate the system, And he operated it at the highest 89 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 4: possible level you could ever imagine. And I'm not going 90 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 4: to get two cool up and a guy where you 91 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 4: complain about some of the middle field throws and some 92 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 4: of their work at the intermediate level, where I think 93 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 4: you see the translatable skills with the anticipation, some of 94 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 4: the touch, some of the fields, some of the timing, 95 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 4: throwing those deep comebacks, throwing more difficult throws in terms 96 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 4: of timing and rhythm deep outside the numbers on the 97 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 4: road in Eugene, tough weather, tough situation, and of shredding 98 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 4: people seventy to eighteen yards down the field with timing 99 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 4: on these deep breaking comebacks. I feel that level of precision, 100 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 4: the level of tenacity, the toughness will carry over to 101 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 4: be able to make all the throws all over the field. 102 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 4: I do think there's fair criticism about some of the roboticism. 103 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 4: I think the you know, to look at the guys 104 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:42,359 Speaker 4: he's going to be compared to where whether it's Matt Ryan, 105 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 4: whether it's Jared Goff, some of these guys who play 106 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 4: more as pocket distributors. There is a more nimbleness to 107 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 4: their game. They do operate in that stick slide, climb throw, 108 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 4: and there's a rhythm in a field to kind of 109 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:56,280 Speaker 4: navigate around pressure within the flow of an offense, staying 110 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 4: within the flow of the concept. I do think he's 111 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 4: a little bit more mechanical, and I don't he's got 112 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 4: quite the elastic arm someone like a golf has be 113 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 4: able to really kind of navigate around, find little windows 114 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 4: and kind of get it out to the primitive quickly 115 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 4: if it's not all lined up for him. So there 116 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 4: are some things I think are a bit concerning in 117 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 4: terms of the translatable skills to an NFL offense. And 118 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 4: if you had seen him operate more of what Ryan 119 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 4: bazookat Alabama, you could just kind of check it off 120 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 4: the box. So I think there's a little bit of 121 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:23,720 Speaker 4: projection in there, and we know what system is playing it. 122 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 4: It's not like we're guessing what system is going to 123 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 4: go through. It's gonna be more of a movement stretch 124 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 4: based system having to pepper to the middle of the field. 125 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 4: So I think there's some fair concerns with that, but 126 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 4: I would bet on the toughness to smarts. The intellect 127 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 4: any day. 128 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 2: I find it hilarious that there's a report they already 129 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 2: have Brian Greasy, who is with Kobaki in San Francisco, 130 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 2: essentially installing the Raiders offense. 131 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 3: You know where that you know where that came from? Greg? 132 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 4: No? 133 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: Where you Yeah? 134 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah. So so here's the thing, and I'll clear 135 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:57,039 Speaker 3: I'll clear that up too, because he's been training with 136 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 3: Brian Greasy and the way I said was he's learning, 137 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 3: he's earning the Raiders offense. Well, it's not like the 138 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 3: Raiders are hiring Brian Greasy to teach Mendoza. Brian Greesy 139 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 3: worked in that offense. He knows that offense inside nout. 140 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 3: Literally kind of grew up in that offense. So he's 141 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:14,039 Speaker 3: had a chance when you're when you're training with somebody 142 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 3: to then instead of just just working on certain things, 143 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 3: like we can start I can start teaching you the 144 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:21,719 Speaker 3: concepts and some of the verbiage and things like that, 145 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 3: because he's going to know it from his time him 146 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 3: and Kubak were together, I believe in San Francisco at 147 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 3: one point time on that staff. So yeah, that was mine. 148 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 3: That was I was on McAfee and they asked if 149 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 3: there was any if I thought there was any you know, 150 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 3: possibility that he wasn't the first overall pick, and I 151 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 3: just kind of flippantly said, well, I don't. I spent 152 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:40,840 Speaker 3: it a lot of time with Brian Griesei. He's learning 153 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 3: the you know, learning the Raiders offense. I don't think 154 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 3: he's too worried about going anywhere else. 155 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not trying to get you in trouble. 156 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean these are all grown man, grown men, adults, 157 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 2: Like he knows what's happening. 158 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 1: It's it's smart to do. 159 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 2: I don't want to spend the whole time on Mendoza 160 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:58,359 Speaker 2: and the quarterbacks, but just before we go, like I 161 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 2: would like DJ you to compare him, maybe like where 162 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,919 Speaker 2: he would rank, you know, compared to like a bo 163 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 2: Nix and a JJ McCarthy or even in a cam 164 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 2: Ward because from the outside not you know, I see 165 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 2: what a lot of good things that the things that 166 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 2: I'm a little worried about was you're you're saying, okay, 167 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 2: maybe some questions against pressure, not being as good with 168 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 2: pocket movement, which is my number one thing, and then 169 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 2: a lot of fumbles and turnover worthy plays at Cow 170 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 2: and now I think that should count for something. So 171 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 2: that's a that's a tough combination. Like, where does that 172 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 2: make him rank kind of with the other quarterbacks you've 173 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 2: had near the top plate? 174 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 3: Well, first of all, I don't know that there was 175 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 3: a quarterback who played anywhere near as a bad a 176 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 3: group as he had a cow Like, if we're talking 177 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 3: about any of these top tier quarterbacks, I mean cam 178 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 3: Ward's group at Washington State would look like the you know, 179 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 3: the Washington Redskins line of the of the eighties and 180 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 3: nineties if you've compared to what he was playing with 181 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 3: at col so it was you got pe bodies on 182 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 3: you before you've got to the top of your drop there. 183 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 3: So I don't really hold that against him. And there's 184 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 3: you know, I would say this, he's a clunky. He's 185 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 3: kind of a clunky robotic athlete. But like if you 186 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 3: want to throw him on the move, he can throw 187 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 3: on the move either side. He can throw right or 188 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 3: throw left. It's going to be more of kind of 189 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 3: the reactionary movement. But the thing that he can do 190 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 3: is he's so big and he's so strong that you'll 191 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 3: see him he can absorb contact and still throw the 192 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 3: ball and throw it accurately. So he plays big in there. 193 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 3: He doesn't. He's not someone who's a statue who's stuck 194 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 3: and can't move it all. He just gonna be able to. 195 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:30,119 Speaker 3: He can throw, you know, within confined spaces, whereas other guys, 196 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 3: I feel like you if you can't move and you 197 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 3: get a little bit small, like the difference between him 198 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 3: and Golf. To me, golf would still need a little 199 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 3: bit of space, a little bit of room. I don't 200 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 3: think this kid does. I think he's got more horsepower 201 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 3: with his arm, and I think he can generate that 202 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 3: without necessarily having the foot space there. So in terms 203 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 3: of who I compare him to, I mean I have 204 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 3: a higher grade on him than I had on cam 205 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 3: Ward and cam Ward was, you know, the top quarterback 206 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 3: last year. I had a higher grade on the Bonnicks. 207 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 3: I mean, he's not in the he's not in the 208 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 3: class of the big three from a couple of years 209 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 3: ago I had. I had Caleb Drake and then Jaden 210 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 3: All three of those guys had higher grades in Mendoza 211 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 3: for me, but I would I had a higher grade 212 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 3: than cam Warp, so totally different players, but I had 213 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 3: a higher grade right. 214 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 2: You, Ali, I saw you at one point which was intriguing, 215 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 2: just like maybe it was just more size wise, But 216 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 2: what he's got to learn compare him a little bit 217 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:19,319 Speaker 2: to Ben Roethlisberger. 218 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 4: Just this yeah size why, I mean. 219 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, but hard to get on the ground like that 220 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 3: you got you gotta get him and get him on 221 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 3: the ground because he's just so big. 222 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 4: Man dimension wise, he's got cost some Pomis dimensions effectively. 223 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 4: But when he was playing during the season, I don't 224 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 4: think I quite recognized that was how big and tough 225 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 4: and stood he was. I know he had the body 226 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 4: on that and he took some serious shots and going 227 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 4: back to the cow stuff, I mean he took hits 228 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 4: where I still don't understand how he's moving today. That 229 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 4: to me was purely just that, Okay, he can absolve 230 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 4: that toughness he got straight up and he's got this 231 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 4: Brady esque maniacal energy when when you get him, he 232 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 4: comes back to the throat immediately, and that just appeals 233 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 4: to me and it feels to me. I think it 234 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 4: shows on the down. He shows when he targets the 235 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 4: new fish coming on the field that he just wants 236 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 4: to go and rip up the freshman corners. Who's wanted 237 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 4: on that. So I just think he's he's operating mentally 238 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 4: at different speed of the game. And maybe he's not 239 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 4: allowed to attack the full field in the way sitting guys. 240 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:17,199 Speaker 4: Maybe it's not entirely NFL structured offense. But I think 241 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,319 Speaker 4: he's playing the game as a professional. Quote back whin 242 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 4: the confines, they asked him to play it. 243 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 3: The last thing I'll tack onto that is there's something 244 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 3: too and not like to get into George Costanza, but 245 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 3: there's something to shrinkage when you get when you get 246 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 3: hit early in games, when you get i mean really 247 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 3: really lit up, you'll see some guys really start to shrink. 248 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 3: And and he was the exact opposite of he got 249 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 3: torched early in the Ohio State game the Miami game, 250 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 3: like they lit him up, and it just it kind 251 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:46,679 Speaker 3: of it kind of stealed his resolve a little bit 252 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 3: more so than made him, you know, gunshy back there. 253 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 3: That matters. I think that's important. 254 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 2: Speaking of shrinking, I felt like that for for Lavsky 255 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 2: when when he made the Ty Simpson thing, and it 256 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 2: becomes a whole story for Whoway because I think there's 257 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 2: not enough to talk about with this draft. So that 258 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 2: just got a lot of attention. I won't put you 259 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 2: on the spot to go after someone I know you 260 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 2: really respect DJ, But I would put it this way. 261 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 2: If you were the Jets and I'm seeing all this 262 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 2: tann and bomb stuff on ESPN, Hey, the Jets are 263 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 2: really interesting. 264 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: If I was the Jets, I would take them. 265 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 2: And I'm thinking, well, tannerbaumb literally helped hire the GM 266 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 2: there like his search firm not only helped hire Darren 267 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 2: Mujie and Aaron Glenn, but the head of his search 268 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 2: firm got hired with the Jets and now works there 269 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 2: Rick Spielman, And so I'm like, why is he throwing 270 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 2: that out there on ESPM. 271 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 1: Is it the help out tip Simpson? Is it? Because 272 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 1: this is actually true? 273 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 2: If you were the Jets, you have the sixteenth overall pick. 274 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 2: You also have too early in the second round, would 275 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 2: you be taking Ty Simpson? 276 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:48,839 Speaker 1: And like, how would you attack that? Where would you think? 277 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 3: Now I would have the discussion if he's there. I 278 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 3: think they have the first pick in the second round, 279 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 3: So that would be for me where I would be. Okay, 280 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 3: let's we can afford if we want to just take 281 00:11:58,160 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 3: a shot here, it's a flyer. We'll take a shot. 282 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 3: Take a flyer. But those first two picks. Everything that 283 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 3: I've you know, heard coming out of there, and for 284 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 3: those that are dialed in there, is that this is 285 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 3: all building towards twenty seven. This is all looking out 286 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 3: into the future, to the point where if they didn't 287 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:15,439 Speaker 3: end up going RVL Reese over Bailey, it would be 288 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 3: even more so about you know, Reese being a better 289 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 3: player in twenty seven than maybe in twenty six, whereas 290 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 3: Bailey's a little bit ahead of him in terms of 291 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 3: Polish as a pass rusher right now. But everything is 292 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:27,439 Speaker 3: just kind of building out towards that year. That doesn't 293 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 3: point to Tys Simpson. And I also think, you know, 294 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 3: some of this comes back from working in the AFC North, 295 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:36,199 Speaker 3: Like we wanted quarterbacks who fit that division, and it 296 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 3: just that in the AFC East and where you're going 297 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 3: to play, you saw it like Tua and he's obviously 298 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 3: playing all of his home games there in Miami, but 299 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:45,199 Speaker 3: later in the year when you're playing in some of 300 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 3: those other environments, like he's not, that's not a great 301 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 3: match there. I just think when you're in the AFC 302 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 3: North the AFC East, especially if you're playing in Buffalo 303 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 3: or with the Jets, Like I just want a bigger guy. 304 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 3: I don't think he necessarily fits as well there. He 305 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 3: feels more like an NFC way quarterback to me, Arizona 306 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 3: is the absolute perfect fit. I know the Rams have 307 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 3: been discussed if they want to try and find one 308 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 3: for the future, you know, do they trade back from 309 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 3: thirteen and try and maneuver to do that. I can 310 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 3: understand that, I guess, but he doesn't feel like the 311 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 3: Jets guy to me. But again, if he's there at 312 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 3: the top of the second round, you can have the discussion. 313 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 2: And look, DJ has ty Simpson ranked in his thirties 314 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 2: and his top fifty, so you know, a quality player. 315 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 2: But yeah, quarterbacks get a little bit of a bump. 316 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 2: So I think that kind of says where you have 317 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 2: him slotted in? Do you like ty Simpson? Ali, Do 318 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 2: you think he is going to have a future as 319 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 2: a starter. 320 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, I have him grated out as a solid start. 321 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 4: It's just so difficult to figure out who ty Simpson 322 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 4: is compared to the only potion of the compared to 323 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 4: the late postion of the end. Trying to kind of 324 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:49,199 Speaker 4: navigate was that health concerns? Is that a body armor 325 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 4: issue that's going to carry over to durability in the league. 326 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 4: Was it just an individual game plan thing? Was it 327 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 4: the teammates around him? I think when you watch a 328 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 4: million this season, beyond just some of the accuracy which 329 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 4: ebbs him flows with him anyway, everything was just so 330 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 4: much quicker. He was more agile in the pocket. There 331 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 4: was more rhythm and bounce and feel to his drops. 332 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:08,559 Speaker 4: I thought he had a real good presence for a 333 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:10,439 Speaker 4: pressure flash in his face, just being able to scoot 334 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 4: out there quickly, just the quick slides and then rip it. 335 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 4: DJ mentioned earlier brought Perdy that is kind of the 336 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 4: play style you're looking at. A lot of playing on 337 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 4: the move, a lot of quick navigation in the pocket, 338 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 4: and then rip it into the intermediate portion of the field. 339 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 4: I thought that was there more Florida State early in 340 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 4: the season, and as the year went along, as he 341 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 4: took an absolute beating and the team kind of spiraled 342 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 4: on him and the game plans got a bit funky. 343 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 4: I think just the difficulties with how he wants to play, 344 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 4: which is ultra aggressive driving the ball down the field. 345 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 4: He just doesn't have the kind of horsepower be able 346 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 4: to play that way in the NFL, And so I 347 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 4: think he's just more in that Purdy mold. And I 348 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 4: think Arizona is the ideal spot where he can make 349 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 4: a bunch of throws on the move and operate a system. 350 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 4: Could he go there early second round and be a 351 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 4: solid start to view? I think so. I just I 352 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 4: do have genuine concerns about just the durability. I think 353 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 4: it's seventeen game maybe eighteen game season over the close 354 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 4: his career. We already saw in one year that he 355 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 4: might not be able to hold up punish. 356 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't I don't disagree with that, but yeah, 357 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 3: to go to your point, and Greg, I think you're 358 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 3: getting ready to piggyback. It is the floor. To me, 359 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 3: that that's the system, that's the stadium, that's the system, 360 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 3: that's the whole That whole thing makes tons of sense 361 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 3: to me. And you know, later in the year I 362 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 3: talked about Mendoza when you watched him and in big 363 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 3: moments and laden games, and later in the year I 364 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 3: thought it looked like Mendoza was literally growing. He just 365 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 3: looked bigger, he played bigger, and it looked like Ty 366 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 3: was getting smaller, playing smaller, He's getting hit the balls 367 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 3: on the ground, and I even thought some of his 368 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 3: field vision stuff kind of that came and went a 369 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 3: little bit. I want to say. It was like, was 370 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 3: it Eastern Illinois? Was not? It was one of their 371 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 3: kind of easier games. Towards the end of the year. 372 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 3: He threw two picks, one of which was on a 373 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 3: on a hail Mary, So throw that one out. But 374 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 3: there's another one that was across the middle should have 375 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 3: been picked off. Like you had three interceptions in that 376 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 3: game against a bad opponent, and that kind of throws 377 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 3: out some of the you know, it's the overmatched offensive 378 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 3: line and you know, the lack of receivers. I know, 379 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 3: the run game was not there. But they're gonna have, 380 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 3: you know, a first round offensive lineman. They're gonna have 381 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 3: another offensive lineman get drafted. Jeremy Bernard is going to 382 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 3: be a Day two pick at receiver. The tight end's 383 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 3: gonna get drafted. Like it wasn't like did he was 384 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 3: out there with cal that Mendoza had the year before. 385 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 3: I mean, they had some guys, but I just thought, 386 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 3: you know, and some of that was probably the sickness 387 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 3: and him losing weight and everything. But I just thought 388 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 3: he played a little bit smaller as you got later 389 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 3: in hear really starting with the first Oklahoma game and 390 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 3: then kind of beyond that there was I mean, gosh, 391 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 3: the SEC Championship game. He didn't have much of a 392 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 3: chance for what they had going on around him offensively 393 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 3: that day. But man, I just thought that was the 394 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 3: case where he looks small, he couldn't get away from anybody. 395 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 3: That was my takeaway there. 396 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 4: I also just thought you could see as DC's got 397 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 4: tape on him during the year and adjusted to what 398 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 4: his strengths were. They started packing the middle of the field, 399 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 4: They started rotating more some of the things that are 400 00:16:58,160 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 4: strengths in the profile. If you just kind of slight 401 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 4: offered six weeks right operating this expansive system, it's a 402 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 4: bunch of pro style passing concepts. He's working through things 403 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 4: so quickly one two, three, boom balls out. As DC's 404 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 4: got some film and him started adjusting, particularly the rotation 405 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:14,159 Speaker 4: of the back end, he did look a little bit 406 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 4: more frazzled. There was more of a a delay in 407 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 4: the decision making. People started setting the rushing away where 408 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 4: you could just see him kind of bail out the 409 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 4: back door where he's not just kind of staying in 410 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 4: the pocket and working through it. The way he's going 411 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 4: to have to play in the NFL, He's not going 412 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:28,959 Speaker 4: to have the speed to just kind of bail out 413 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:30,679 Speaker 4: of there and beat guys and play on the perimeter 414 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:32,159 Speaker 4: all the time. That's going to be more in the 415 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 4: design role game, in the boot game, and kind of 416 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:36,640 Speaker 4: a function of the offense. And so I just thought 417 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 4: you saw people find answers to what he did well 418 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:41,120 Speaker 4: early in the year as well as him was kind 419 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 4: of declining and falling off in his own play, and 420 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 4: that's where the starts is a limiting factor. There's a 421 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 4: lot of situational awareness, of which I think is a 422 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 4: concern too, And that's just a function of not playing 423 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 4: a whole bunch of football. If you'd started twenty five games, 424 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 4: simple things no LASiS throws speeding up your time because 425 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 4: it's an all out pressure and okay, the concept demands 426 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 4: this rhythm. I just got to get the ball out 427 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:04,199 Speaker 4: on time and accurately those things. It's going to be 428 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 4: hard for him to learn that with live bullets in 429 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:07,640 Speaker 4: the NFL, and he's work. 430 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 3: Quick quick question all, I don't want to cut you 431 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:11,439 Speaker 3: off there, but do we need Greg for this? I'm 432 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 3: just thinking about that. 433 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: No, I don't think I'm just here. 434 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 2: I mean you already Can we just take Greg's already 435 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:21,159 Speaker 2: made it clear that like looking smaller is the worst 436 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 2: thing you could possibly be. 437 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 1: And that's that's just for me, a regular. 438 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 3: I didn't mean there looking at Greg. We really I mean, 439 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 3: this'd be really necessary in this whole podcast. 440 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 1: That's my whole dream. 441 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 2: It's a it's like a Ponzi scheme to basically take 442 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:35,400 Speaker 2: this up. 443 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: To the end. It sounds like he's a guy type Simpson. 444 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 1: To wrap up on him, Ali and you can finish 445 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:42,679 Speaker 1: your point here. 446 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 2: It's like, I don't know, in a different draft, I 447 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 2: don't think we'd be talking about. 448 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 1: Him as much. 449 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 2: And if personally, just from the outside, having viewed all 450 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 2: these drafts over the years, he sounds like a guy 451 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 2: that DJ and Rich are talking about. Oh wow, he's 452 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 2: still on the board here entering like round three. Then 453 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:02,920 Speaker 2: then he is to be like a surprise story and 454 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 2: something happens early. But that's just my impression from the side. 455 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,159 Speaker 4: I think because of the system me Playton and how 456 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 4: he did operate that he can probably start Eliott then 457 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:15,679 Speaker 4: guys who've had his lack of experience traditionally, But there 458 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:18,360 Speaker 4: are just fundamental things in his game that can only 459 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 4: come from playing against live ammunition. And I just hope 460 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 4: worry about the durability going up against Miles Garrett whoever, 461 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 4: is like he just feels like he might get folded 462 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 4: up early on and them were. 463 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 2: Intro well, and the fact that all these different teams 464 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 2: like the Browns for instance, and Michael Flurer specifically said, 465 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 2: you know, even mentioned that when he spoke last week 466 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:41,400 Speaker 2: at the Coach's Breakfast, you know, he told me Ty 467 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 2: Simpson that he wants to be in Arizona card. I'm like, 468 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 2: why is he saying that? You really would normally only 469 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 2: say that about guys like you aren't gonna draft. Anyways, 470 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 2: the whole point of me having you two guys on 471 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 2: the show, what it was inspired by is because of 472 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 2: a man r bel Rees, who you mentioned earlier, DJ, 473 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:02,400 Speaker 2: And we talked a little about Reese on NFL Daily already, 474 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 2: but on for forties. I want Ali to present to 475 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 2: DJ the case for his beloved because Ali believes Reese. 476 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 2: Then I'm using your words here is in linebacker is 477 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:19,119 Speaker 2: your position. Just as a background for the listeners, Ali 478 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 2: has worked for scouting services and specifically you start out 479 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 2: just doing linebacker, linebacker's linebackers. And I believe you said, 480 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:29,919 Speaker 2: Ali that you thought Rvel Reese as a linebacker, as 481 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:33,400 Speaker 2: an off ball linebacker was about as good as any 482 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 2: person you've scouted in the last twelve years other than 483 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 2: Luke Keikley, I think was the one that you said 484 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 2: was definitely in front of him and that you see 485 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 2: a career where he can just be a transformative linebacker, 486 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 2: maybe a little bit less of it edge to make 487 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 2: the case to a man who has a lot of 488 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 2: influence around. 489 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 3: Okay, I'll do that. 490 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 4: I think you have to kind of remodel your idea 491 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 4: of what linebacker play is in twenty twenty six compared 492 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,679 Speaker 4: to eight, nine, even five years ago. And if you 493 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 4: think of rvel Reese as almost Zach Bourne on Super 494 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 4: Syrum right where it's this walk linebacker where you stand 495 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 4: off the ball on early downs, everyone's playing with a five, 496 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 4: two or six to one box. You've got to try 497 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 4: and match the box caut You've got to try and 498 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 4: match the fact that all these guys are motioning and 499 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 4: moving and overloading the formation, playing with big personnel. And 500 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,400 Speaker 4: you look at the top defenses in recent years, they 501 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 4: all have a linebacker who plays that walk role. They 502 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 4: start off the ball, they walk down to one the ball, 503 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 4: everyone kicks inside one spot and so finding a player 504 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 4: who can fit that mole is just really difficult to 505 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:33,640 Speaker 4: do while a lot of defenses get fried. I think 506 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 4: Reese has the capacity just play straight off the ball, 507 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 4: not quite the same degree as sunny styles are just 508 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 4: a vintage sift them fine linebacker, go find the ball, 509 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,160 Speaker 4: s ball running chase. But I think he's good enough 510 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,199 Speaker 4: to do that stuff. We know he can play on 511 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 4: the balls and edge defender just in the wrong game 512 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,439 Speaker 4: wherever it's just hits in exchange, whatever it is. He 513 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,399 Speaker 4: can has the take on sales, just play on the 514 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 4: edge as an early down player. That's what he did 515 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 4: for Ahio State. And then to play that role, you 516 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 4: also have to be able to be active, an efficient 517 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,439 Speaker 4: rushing the passt and be capable of dropping out. And 518 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,919 Speaker 4: I think all those things are true. And then I 519 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 4: just think he can be more weaponized moving around the 520 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 4: front on passing downs, mugged up in the a gap 521 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 4: muked up in between two bigger guys and just being 522 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 4: a true full crim of the pressure plan rather than 523 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 4: just being a one on one winner flying off the edge. Now, 524 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 4: if he does just win one on one off the 525 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,360 Speaker 4: edge and he's Micah Parsons, great, I have no complaints 526 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 4: to that'd be really fun. I'd love to see that. 527 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 4: But I think that force multiplying effect. And we saw 528 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,199 Speaker 4: with Zach Bourn in Philly two years ago he was 529 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 4: the most important player to the best defense in the league. 530 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 3: And if you can. 531 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,640 Speaker 4: Find a guy as good as that, who I think 532 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 4: is just instinctively more athletic, then that to me sounds 533 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 4: like a crown jewel piece to anchor a defense around 534 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:45,880 Speaker 4: Ravin just saying, hey, he's just an edge defender. He's 535 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 4: going to be a three way rush guy. He'll win some, 536 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,479 Speaker 4: he'll lose some. That play isn't on tape yet. As 537 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 4: a really dynamic one on one, consistent winner as a password, I. 538 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 3: Think that's a good case. I think that's the good 539 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,880 Speaker 3: way of framing it because to me, like and I look, 540 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 3: I'm not going to pump holes in a guy who's 541 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,679 Speaker 3: like my what my fourth overall player, you know, So 542 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 3: he's I mean, I think he's he's outstanding. But for me, 543 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 3: if you're just looking in those traditional roles, it's the 544 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 3: glass half full, half empty when you're looking at him 545 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 3: off the ball, I don't I don't see like the elite, 546 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 3: elite level instincts that you know, like you mentioned Keikley 547 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 3: for example, like you'd see with keek Lee when he 548 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,159 Speaker 3: was coming out. I was around ray Lewis like that. 549 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 3: Those elite guys like you, they just see things a 550 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 3: little clearer, a little quicker. I thought he was a 551 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,880 Speaker 3: count late there, and then as a pure rusher, he's 552 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,360 Speaker 3: a tick late off the ball, which and I've talked 553 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,679 Speaker 3: to enough defensive line coaches over the years, it's like 554 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:41,640 Speaker 3: that's that's something that's very difficult to change, Like that's 555 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 3: a that's a cognitive thing. How you see it and 556 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,639 Speaker 3: how quick you your your snap reaction is and all 557 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 3: those things. So he's a he's a snap he's just 558 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,199 Speaker 3: a tick late, and really in both areas. But when 559 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 3: you're saying, you know, okay, we can use him in 560 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 3: a lot of different areas, and we can use him 561 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 3: to mug and we can use him to you know, 562 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 3: set the edge all day long. He's got he's got 563 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 3: like shot in his hands. He's big time, big time 564 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 3: can roll his hips. He's explosive and strike he can. 565 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 3: He'll do that at an elite level right from the jump. 566 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,919 Speaker 3: But my question was like, Okay, if I'm looking at 567 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,679 Speaker 3: him versus David Bailey and you're just gonna line him 568 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 3: up purely as rushers, I'll take David Bailey as a 569 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,160 Speaker 3: rusher over RBL Reese where he is at this point 570 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 3: in time. I just think he's more polished. I think 571 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 3: he's got better feel. I think he's got a better 572 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 3: get off, he's got more ways to win. So again, 573 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 3: I think you're you're finding like a very specific like 574 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 3: Vic's defense, finding some defenses that want to do this 575 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 3: a very specific way. You can you know they're gonna 576 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 3: they're gonna absolutely love Reese in that manner. But you know, 577 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 3: like Micah, when I watched Micah, I'm like, Okay, I 578 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 3: literally said, Mike, if you put Mike as an Edgar, 579 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 3: he'll get twenty sacks. Like I thought he was that 580 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 3: type of had that type of feel. He just didn't 581 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 3: get the opportunities with Reese. I didn't, you know, I 582 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 3: didn't think that he had that, you know, at least 583 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 3: not within the within several years of him growing and 584 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,120 Speaker 3: evolving at the position. So I think we both see 585 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,640 Speaker 3: the strengths and the weaknesses very similarly. It's just how 586 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,399 Speaker 3: much weight are you going to put on it on 587 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:08,880 Speaker 3: either side is where we kind of come out there. 588 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 4: That is true, and my bias is a former linebacker 589 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 4: scout and defensive coordinator. Just give me the move linebacker 590 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 4: piece and I'll take him first over all of these available. Please, 591 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 4: that's good for me. The volume of teams who are 592 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 4: playing in the mug and drop game, they all out 593 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 4: pressure wall that's just higher than we've ever had. I 594 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,160 Speaker 4: think you really creative things with him in the pressure package, 595 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 4: and it's just where do you put him on the 596 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 4: field on early downs? As DJ said, you could just 597 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 4: stand him up as the wide player on early downs. 598 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 4: He will strike and attack everyone. He'd reset the front 599 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 4: on his own, just right to find a package that 600 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 4: he's playing with with that level of like laterl speed 601 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,360 Speaker 4: and all the stuff that goes into it. So it's 602 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 4: more the question of can he just stand off the balls, 603 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 4: DJ said, kind of work through the traffic. Does he 604 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 4: have the instinctive stuff to do that I just see 605 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 4: him slightly more instinctive. I think the screen tape, which 606 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:56,199 Speaker 4: is the number one thing I pull up for all 607 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,360 Speaker 4: the linebackers, is so outrageously good. That's where you get 608 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 4: to see all kinds of under the hood things that 609 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,959 Speaker 4: I believe about linebacker play pops up on the screen 610 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 4: film and not the bulls bubble screen stuff, true convoy 611 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,439 Speaker 4: traffic screen film, and him and Jacob Rodriguez, to me, 612 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,440 Speaker 4: were just different in that regard to basically everyone else 613 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 4: in the class. And so I think that element of 614 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,439 Speaker 4: his game is still in there, and it will just 615 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 4: be a reduced role if you start working the snapcount 616 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 4: to be well, we're gonna have fifteen of him just 617 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 4: on the edge on early down. Then we're gonna have 618 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 4: fifteen of him moving around the front in the attack 619 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 4: base world. Then we'll start shrinking the snap count down. 620 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 4: But he's really just kind of standing with that panoramic vision, 621 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,880 Speaker 4: playing true kind of assignment based linebacker football. 622 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 2: See this is stuff you can you can just take 623 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 2: with you, DJ and just bring it right to the broadcast. 624 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 1: He said, No, he's not. 625 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 3: A hard He's not a hard one to like now 626 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:48,360 Speaker 3: like he's. 627 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,159 Speaker 2: No, you have him fourth overall, although you know, and 628 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 2: that's what we get through this time of year, we're 629 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 2: like splitting hairs between the great players. It is interesting 630 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,199 Speaker 2: to me, you know, you have Sunny Styles just just 631 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 2: a little bit ahead of him. 632 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 1: You have Jeremiah Love ahead of him. 633 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,640 Speaker 2: Well, while we're just talking big games, because we really 634 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,679 Speaker 2: haven't done that too much on forties. Obviously you can 635 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 2: get that un move the sticks. Everyone should be checking 636 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,680 Speaker 2: that out. I do, I do find it interesting, Ali, 637 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 2: you also had Caleb Downs, Like right there at the top, 638 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 2: I think of your two favorite players, I don't want 639 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,680 Speaker 2: to miss h quote you here are those are those 640 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 2: two players r Bell Reese and Caleb Downs, And that 641 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 2: you think, obviously you have to figure out the positional 642 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,159 Speaker 2: value of safety, like where would you take him, but 643 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 2: that he's special enough that you could imagine him transforming 644 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,200 Speaker 2: a defense from the back end, like like let's say 645 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 2: he gets to the Giants at at number five in 646 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 2: the same way that Rvel Reese could could potentially transform 647 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,159 Speaker 2: a defense up front. So I guess I'm curious just 648 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 2: if you guys see Downs is like transformative ability differently, 649 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,639 Speaker 2: And I guess all, you'd make the case for Downs 650 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,360 Speaker 2: that yes, yes, he's a different player obviously than Kyle 651 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:57,919 Speaker 2: Hamilton or Durha James or anything. 652 00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: But it does seem like you think he's that high 653 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: quot player. Why do you think? 654 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:02,120 Speaker 3: Yeah? 655 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 4: I think me and DJ see the player evaluation really similarly. 656 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 4: I think DJ said before that he's not quite that 657 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,680 Speaker 4: playmaker on the ball the way we think of traditionally 658 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 4: those kind of top level safeties where you would maybe 659 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,640 Speaker 4: break the mold of the positional value. I think when 660 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 4: I do the draft ev A stuff, I do look 661 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 4: more at the structural impact of players and can the 662 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 4: players be great while impacting the structure. So when you 663 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 4: get someone like Kyle Hamilton, it's just a unique, different 664 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 4: style of player who allows us to get to anything 665 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 4: on the menu in a way that allows to offset 666 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,679 Speaker 4: all the different movement, motion, formation, personnel group things that 667 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 4: defenses are throwing the way of offenses, sorry, are throwing 668 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 4: the way of defenses. Caleb Downs is not that similar 669 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 4: style play. He doesn't have that kind of size, that 670 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 4: quite style of movement skills on the back end. But 671 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 4: I do think he's got a kind of linebackery level 672 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 4: type play in and around the box where it could 673 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 4: be more in the Jalen Petrie mold. And I just 674 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 4: think those players who allow you to play against different 675 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 4: personnel groups the substitute all the time, a key part 676 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 4: of the pressure package, They're just so valuable in the 677 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 4: modern game. We've just seen it over and over again 678 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 4: with Brian Bryant, with Jalen Petree having a safe you 679 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,719 Speaker 4: can just essentially weak side linebacker for you then go 680 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 4: play on the roof for a few snaps and just 681 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 4: snap by snap, you're really changing the pitch for the 682 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 4: defense without having to substitute and rotate and tip your 683 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 4: hand in the huddle. It's just buying snaps over and 684 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 4: over again. It's buying small wins over and over again. 685 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,520 Speaker 4: And then I do think he's got enough playmaking on 686 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 4: the ball, enough play making to permitter to be able 687 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 4: to kind of have these rock on contact, drive the 688 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 4: ball out of type places where we can get some 689 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 4: game breaking stuff out of him too. I think I'm 690 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 4: just a little bit more in the structural, coach minded 691 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,719 Speaker 4: element of my evaluations, whereas DJ has this the stronger 692 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 4: role oft X going back as long as he's done 693 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 4: this of just what great players look like and just 694 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 4: the general player evaluation. 695 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I would say for me, and again, he's 696 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 3: like eighth or ninth player on my list, so I 697 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 3: view him as a top ten player. But you know, 698 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 3: Petri and Branch obviously both were taken later in the draft. 699 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 3: I think both those guys have better movement for me 700 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 3: than than he does. Just watching a move and you 701 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 3: think about guys that. Okay, I get asked a question, well, 702 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 3: how how high is he going to go? I don't 703 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 3: think he's gonna go to the Giants. I think that 704 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 3: you're talking more ten to twenty than in the top ten, 705 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 3: just in talking to teams kind of where they are 706 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 3: on him. So that to me, like Minca, Minca, like okay, 707 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 3: Mika can hold up and play corner if you wanted to. 708 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 3: On the outside, he can do all these different things. 709 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 3: We talked about the size with Dermott, Derwin and with 710 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 3: Hamilton and even Warri. Still I've never got to the 711 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 3: bottom of that I knew. I mean I didn't even 712 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 3: he was my fifteenth player, I think, and I didn't 713 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 3: have him in the final mock draft because talking around 714 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 3: the league, it was like he's going to go in 715 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 3: the second round, which was crazy, which was crazy to me, 716 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 3: But so some of it is just how they're valuing 717 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 3: what they do and then they're look, he's an unbelievable tackler. 718 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 3: But I've talked to defensive coordinators that are worried about 719 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 3: him just because he's not the not the longest guy, 720 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 3: and they thought that there were like NFL backs on 721 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 3: a weekly basis. They don't know that that'll be quite 722 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 3: the same batting average that he had in college. So 723 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 3: I don't know. I think he's a really good player. 724 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 3: I think you just Ali described him extremely well of 725 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 3: he's adding into the run fit and he's going to 726 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 3: be able to, you know, closer to the line of scrimmage. 727 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 3: I didn't have those concerns with him as a tackler, 728 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 3: but there's there's some people I've talked to that don't 729 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 3: have quite as high opinion on him. Soon we'll see this. 730 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 2: This is why I mean, this show could go on forever. 731 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 2: For me, I just want to listen and sit back. 732 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 2: But we are running out of time here, so I'm 733 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 2: going to put Ali on the spot in a tough way. 734 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 1: If you could pick one of your like Day three. 735 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 2: Guys, Ali at any position. 736 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 1: I know you like the Indiana safety what's his name, Louis. 737 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 3: Oh, Louis More. Yeah, we go. 738 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 2: I know you like him, so that that's an option. 739 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 2: This is how deep his podcast goes. Everyone should check 740 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 2: it out. Read optional. It's on some Stacum and John Ledyard. 741 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 2: I think they did twenty five minutes on Louis Moore. 742 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 2: Whatever is just outrageous, but just how much you love him. 743 00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 2: But it doesn't have to be him. If you could 744 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 2: just like in flew in DJ, to move one like 745 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 2: day three guy higher, or just take your claim. 746 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 1: Who is it? Ali? 747 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 3: Got my guy when you're done too, because I'm just 748 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:08,520 Speaker 3: making sure I pull up my notes. 749 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 4: It would be Key Shaw on Elliott, the linebacker from Arizona. 750 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 4: I think he's a starting kle of a linebacker. Does 751 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 4: he have quite the movement skills of some other guys? 752 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 4: He does not, But he looks just to me like 753 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 4: one of these guys who play seventy eight years in 754 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 4: the league is a starting linebacker. You look up and go, 755 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 4: why the best starting linebacker this year is keyshow Elliott. 756 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 4: It's like, yes he is. That's what Stotts look like. 757 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 4: They look like TJ. Edwards go through the list right now. 758 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 4: I starting linebackers of the NFL is not a blowaway 759 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 4: number of household names with crazy athletic profiles. It's small 760 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 4: guys who played to the team construct, who tackle everything 761 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 4: you can add something into the blitz game. I think 762 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 4: Keshan Elliot fits them all. 763 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 3: Oh that's a good one. All right, I'm gonna give 764 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 3: you mine that. I think this guy has got a 765 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 3: good chance to sneak into day two. And I don't 766 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 3: know if you've heard a lot of people talking about 767 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 3: him through this process. I'm just making sure I pull 768 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 3: up my notes on him so that I don't screw 769 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 3: it up here. If we're trying to find some interior path, 770 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 3: thrush to me. The Caleb Proctor's tape is just different 771 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 3: than everybody else's out of Southeast Louisiana. He's six o 772 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 3: one seven two ninety one. He ran four seven nine, 773 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 3: He had I think nine sacks. But he's excellent on stunts. 774 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 3: He's got explosive get off. He's not he's not the 775 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 3: most violent player, which I would love to see, but 776 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 3: he's he's a feel creative rusher who can slip blocks 777 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 3: in play upfield. So he's someone and I I think 778 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 3: he's kind of a little bit of a D line coach, 779 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 3: darling out there for guys who are trying to find 780 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 3: some sub rush inside. And I think it's one of 781 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:35,360 Speaker 3: the anytime you talk to people with like this is 782 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 3: my favorite Day three product, and I'm like, well, you 783 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 3: know what that means. He ain't going on D Street, 784 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,200 Speaker 3: so I could see him sneaking into the third round. 785 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 1: I love that. 786 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 2: I hope, I hope we influenced some team out there listening, 787 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 2: or maybe we'll just reflect what they already think. 788 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 1: Louis Moore though another fun one h. 789 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 3: Twenty five minutes on Lil Morris. 790 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 1: I mean I might be imaginate, but it was it 791 00:33:58,560 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 1: was a while. 792 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 4: I think you under selling us. I think we could 793 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 4: have been forty. 794 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 2: Five, just an older player, but once he got on 795 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:12,400 Speaker 2: the field made a big difference. Yeah, you're the Louis 796 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:16,799 Speaker 2: Moore of our show. Although you know, a newbie relatively 797 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 2: in the game. Appreciate you know. 798 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:21,799 Speaker 3: I don't know if Drew's in the chat. Drew, can 799 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 3: we just cut Greg out of this when we posted? 800 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 3: Is that possible? 801 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:25,840 Speaker 1: I think that's fine. 802 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 2: I mean you'd lose, yes, some handsomeness, but otherwise you're fine. 803 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 2: We will see you guys next week on Forties and 804 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 2: free Agents. We are getting closer and closer to the 805 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,920 Speaker 2: big day. I believe we got a special guest next 806 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,319 Speaker 2: week too. We did this show last year. You can 807 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 2: probably figure out who it is. We'll see you then