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Speaker 1: Great warm.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: Eric.

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Speaker 4: Always an honor to join you, and always an honor

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Speaker 4: to join you, guys, warroom, Polse, Let's bring the show

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Speaker 4: and we have an epical and it's Natalie Winter's host today.

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Speaker 2: Let's start it. I know the President spoke for nearly

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Speaker 2: an hour.

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Speaker 5: What are the big headlines there? Well, he talked about

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Speaker 5: a lot of issues, certainly a focus on the economics,

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Speaker 5: but there are some diplomatic headlines that are coming out

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Speaker 5: of his remarks as well. He talked about the United

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Speaker 5: States lifting sanctions on Syria. You, of course remember the

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Speaker 5: former leader there, Bashar al Assad, left the country and

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Speaker 5: there is a new leader in place, and of course

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Speaker 5: the past atrocities carried out by Bashir al Assad were

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Speaker 5: part of the reason that those sanctions were put in place.

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Speaker 5: The presidents saying he intends to lift those that received

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Speaker 5: a rousing response here in Saudi Arabia.

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Speaker 2: That's part of it.

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Speaker 5: He also had a message for Iran obviously that is

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Speaker 5: of stretch major importance to Saudi Arabia as well as

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Speaker 5: the United States. Certainly, Israel has an important interest there

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Speaker 5: and the US has been trying to get to a

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Speaker 5: point where there is a non nuclear state, trying to

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Speaker 5: tamp down on the ambitions within Iran to advance to

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Speaker 5: having a weapon, something the US says they cannot have,

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Speaker 5: even though they have an active program to enrich uranium

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Speaker 5: them there. And the President had a message for the

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Speaker 5: people of Iran and what he calls a different path

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Speaker 5: that they could take.

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Speaker 3: Iran will never have a nuclear weapon, but with that set,

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Speaker 3: Iran can have a much brighter future, but will never

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Speaker 3: allow America and as allies, to be threatened with terrorism

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Speaker 3: or nuclear attack. The choices theirs to make. We really

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Speaker 3: want them to be a successful country. We want them

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Speaker 3: to be a wonderful, safe, great country, but they cannot have.

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Speaker 2: A nuclear weapon.

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Speaker 3: This is an offer that will not last forever. The

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Speaker 3: time is right now for them to choose.

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Speaker 6: Right now.

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Speaker 3: We don't have a lot of time to wait.

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Speaker 5: The President putting pressure on the leadership in Iran. Those

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Speaker 5: are the diplomatic notes we've been hearing in what for

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Speaker 5: much of the early part of this day was structured

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Speaker 5: and scheduled to be about economic development the United States,

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Speaker 5: I mean companies that would do investment here in Saudi

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Speaker 5: Arabia and Saudi Arabia, buying military equipment and making investments

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Speaker 5: in the United States, things that the president feels comfortable

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Speaker 5: talking about, trying to be that deal maker. And certainly

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Speaker 5: another notable thing was outside the United States quite critical

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Speaker 5: of Joe Biden. We hear him criticize Joe Biden often,

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Speaker 5: but to do it outside the United States is certainly notable.

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Speaker 2: This is the final screen of a dying regime.

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Speaker 7: Pray for our enemies because we're going to medieval on

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Speaker 7: these people.

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Speaker 2: You've not got a free shot.

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Speaker 8: All these networks lying about the people, the people have

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Speaker 8: had a belly full of it.

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Speaker 2: I know you don't like hearing that.

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Speaker 6: I know you tried to do everything in the world

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Speaker 6: to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.

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Speaker 2: It's going to happen.

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Speaker 6: And where do people like that go to share the

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Speaker 6: big line? Mega media?

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Speaker 4: I wish in my soul, I wish that any of

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Speaker 4: these people had a conscience.

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Speaker 2: Ask yourself, what is my test and what is my purpose?

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Speaker 3: If that answer is to save my country, this country

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Speaker 3: will be saved.

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Speaker 6: War Room, you use your host Stephen k Maan.

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Speaker 2: Just a historic day.

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Speaker 4: Tuesday May thirteenth, in the Year of Our Lord twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty five. It's Natalie Winter's hosting war Room today. As

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Speaker 4: I always say, don't go anywhere. Luckily, with President Trunk

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Speaker 4: back in office, we always have a packed show, though

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Speaker 4: actually for good reasons, not for the reasons we used

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Speaker 4: to have to pack them in under Joe Biden.

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Speaker 2: No honorific title.

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Speaker 4: There, you saw that cold open This is what it's

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Speaker 4: like to be respected by the rest of the world.

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Speaker 2: Again.

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Speaker 4: I guess they always say what it's better to be

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Speaker 4: feared than loved. I don't think Joe Biden even had

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Speaker 4: that President Trump has received from the Saddies is truly

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Speaker 4: eighteen different felonies, would be sitting in prison in Kamala

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Speaker 4: Harris one. He now gets a better reception, frankly than

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Speaker 4: Democrats gave him at the State of the Union. I

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Speaker 4: saw more American flags during today's processions than I think

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Speaker 4: I saw maybe at even the fake Larpie.

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Speaker 2: DNC they had this year.

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Speaker 4: I think the only time we ever saw that level

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Speaker 4: of organized and well thought through reception really was from

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Speaker 4: Joe Biden. Greeting illegal AI millions at the southern border.

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Speaker 4: You guys, I'm sure have seen the split screen images

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Speaker 4: of what Joe Biden received versus what President Trump received

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Speaker 4: from the Saudis, which are no perfect vessels, shall we say.

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Speaker 4: Obviously a lot to get into there, which we're going

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Speaker 4: to get into throughout this show, but there is a small, well,

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Speaker 4: I guess, actually massive victory. The first federal judge a

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Speaker 2: It's funny how when it's a.

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Speaker 4: Trump appointee oftentimes the outcomes seem to be a little different.

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Speaker 2: And actually, I don't.

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Speaker 4: Know this bizarre word constitutional, but ruling that President Trump

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Speaker 4: can actually invoke the Alien Enemies Act to deport trend

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Speaker 4: dea Ragua members massive win. We've seen I think all

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Speaker 4: essentially rebuke that idea. So this is quite I think powerful.

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Speaker 4: We'll see how it shakes out. But you know, here

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Speaker 4: are about action, action, action and trying to upend the

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Speaker 4: administrative state. And I guess their new strange bedfellow, the

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Speaker 4: new odd couple that is the tech Bros, Which we saw,

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Speaker 4: I think on full display with their quirkiness in Saudi Arabia.

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Speaker 2: I know David Sachs has been over I think in

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Speaker 2: the UAE.

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Speaker 4: For a while, striking a lot of shall we say,

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Speaker 4: curious deals which I want to drill into. Maybe it's

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Speaker 2: A NATSEC threat. I would put my money on the ladder.

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Speaker 4: But particularly when it comes to semiconductors and chips. Obviously

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Speaker 4: there was what six hundred billion plus worth of announcements

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Speaker 4: But one vertical that is particularly concerning that has a

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Speaker 2: To be and I'm sure you guys do.

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Speaker 4: Too, concerned, is the sharing of advanced semiconductor ships stuff

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Speaker 2: They actually used to.

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Speaker 4: Work with Huawei, which you may recall was the sanctioned

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Speaker 4: think illustrative of the military civil fusion that you see

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Speaker 4: there's been case after case, indictment after in Diamond of

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Speaker 4: what the Hold Made in China twenty twenty five initiative

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 4: High tech is the way that they are attempting to

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Speaker 4: curious that all these tech bros are sort of trying to,

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Speaker 4: not just free trade, but that we'd be working to

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Speaker 4: bolster and embolden the Chinese Communist Party, particularly on the

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Speaker 4: technological front. And I guess we'll return to war room tradition,

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Speaker 4: conversion therapy for rhinos. I should trademark that when I

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Speaker 4: stand by that, But unfortunately Congressional Republicans we can toss

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Speaker 4: the tweet up on screen, really have nothing to say

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Speaker 4: I want to read you a quote. It's not all

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Speaker 4: that fire breathing quote. The US must lead the world

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Speaker 4: in AI technology, but we must do it securely. The

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Speaker 4: CCP is actively seeking indirect access to our top tech.

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Speaker 4: That deals like this requires scrutiny and verifiable guardrails. We

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Speaker 4: happens to be negotiating stuff that directly interplays with all

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Speaker 2: If only Chairman Mullin Yar I don't know, looked in

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Speaker 4: I don't know about you, guys, but I'm getting pretty

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Speaker 4: sick and tired of the shall we say, pandemic of passive.

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Speaker 4: It seems to to plague them where all they can

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Speaker 4: do is tweet about these problems and put out strongly

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Speaker 4: worded letters and statements, call a freakin hearing. No, are

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Speaker 4: you guys too busy canceling votes on codifying the Doge

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Speaker 2: Maybe that's what's taking up all your time, right and your.

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Speaker 4: Kirk certainly can't say that it's because you've been sending

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Speaker 2: Now, you know we always bring.

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Speaker 4: The receipts, shall we say, And I want to bring

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Speaker 4: a very specific receipt in terms of this Select Committee

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Speaker 4: on the Chinese Communist Party, which, as far as I'm concerned,

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Speaker 4: was set up by Mike Gallagher only so he could

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Speaker 4: use it as a stepping stone to go work at

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Speaker 4: Pallenteer that doesn't quite reak of understanding the threat of

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Speaker 2: He bailed out, he said, I'll go take my nice check.

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Speaker 4: So now the new chairman I mentioned no name backbenchers

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Speaker 4: them famous, right now, Darren Lehood of Illinois. So get

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Speaker 4: this straight. The guy who is sitting on this committee

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Speaker 4: that thinks that it's okay to just put out tweets

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Speaker 4: to counter the Chinese Communist Party and a bunch of weak,

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Speaker 4: strongly worded letters that my reporting at nineteen was probably

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Speaker 4: more forceful than well, this guy actually met with various

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Speaker 4: You guys have heard, I'm sure about the Chinese Communist

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Speaker 2: Conduits through which they've done.

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Speaker 4: We are going to get into the AI stuff more

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Speaker 2: That's a euphimistic way to put it that's been.

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Speaker 8: This is an age old tension and fight between the

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Speaker 8: I think there's two things happening there, and you touched

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Speaker 8: That's going to be a world where the value generated

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Speaker 8: And I think that's what you're seeing in that language

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Speaker 8: is reflecting the messaging coming out of the White House.

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Speaker 2: And I think as a.

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Speaker 8: General matter, if we want to have ANAI ecosystem that

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Speaker 8: is a world leader, I think that vision coming out

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Speaker 8: of the White House is the right one.

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Speaker 2: John, thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 4: If people want to follow you, stay up to date

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Speaker 4: with everything you're working on, and most importantly get the book,

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Speaker 4: really read up on it because it's an important kind

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Speaker 4: of don't sleep on it, it's an important topic.

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Speaker 2: Where can they go to do all that? Sure?

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Speaker 8: The book is most easily available through the Amazon or

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Speaker 8: Barnes and Noble websites, or directly from the publisher Oxford University,

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Speaker 8: and links are also available through my LinkedIn page.

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Speaker 2: Thanks very much to thank you sir for joining us.

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Speaker 2: We'll have you back on war imposse.

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Speaker 4: While you're at it, make sure you checking out birrdical

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Speaker 2: You know the drill.

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Speaker 4: By the way, I just have to add you guys know,

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Speaker 4: I'm what the probably infamous face of the new media initiative.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 4: There's all this coverage now about how you know, oh

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Speaker 4: we should have I don't know, reported that Joe Biden

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Speaker 4: was going to have to use a wheelchair.

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Speaker 2: No shade to wheelchairs.

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Speaker 4: But now the White House Correspondent Association is melting down

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Speaker 4: that some of their reporters were kicked off of Air

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Speaker 4: Force one or can't do the wire service.

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Speaker 2: I know about you, guys. I'll be able to go

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Speaker 2: on without having.

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Speaker 4: Ap or Reuter's poorly written, probably propaganda written wires influencing

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Speaker 4: my coverage. But one of my favorite quotes from their

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Speaker 4: statement was quote they reliably covered every president for decades

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Speaker 4: for the millions of Americans who depend on their reporting

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Speaker 4: every day.

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Speaker 2: Talk about crisis acting and stolen valor.

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Speaker 4: I think you'd be hard pressed to find I don't know,

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Speaker 4: maybe hundreds of thousands of Americans who take anything that

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Speaker 4: the Aper v Reuters says seriously. But let's get to

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Speaker 4: the crux of what they're doing with this Joe Biden

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Speaker 4: limited hangout. It was never about the fact that the

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Speaker 4: press corps covered up for his age. That's what they

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Speaker 4: want you to think is the biggest scandal of the

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Speaker 4: Biden regime. No, it's because if you actually had to

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Speaker 4: understand what this regime did, from the southern border, the invasion,

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Speaker 4: the Green New Deal, Afghanistan, take your pick any issue,

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Speaker 4: it's more palatable from their eyes for you to have

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Speaker 4: you think that Joe Biden was out to lunch and

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Speaker 4: this was all just a result really of the age

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Speaker 4: old question we've always asked here in the warm right

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Speaker 4: intentional verse and competence. It was just in competence he

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Speaker 4: was dead, I don't I think essentially dead was what

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Speaker 4: I told CNN. But no, it was all intentional and

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Speaker 4: it was all by design. And I hope Congressional Republicans would,

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Speaker 4: I don't know, do something for once and hold some

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Speaker 4: hearings to try to figure out who I don't know

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Speaker 4: orchestrated the invasion of the southern border. Is that too

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Speaker 4: much to ask? Stop tweeting about it and actually do something.

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Speaker 6: You can use your whole Stephen k back.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back to the war room, where I think we

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Speaker 4: have always pushed back on the idea that it is

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Speaker 4: akin to the first law of thermodynamics, that the Chinese

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Speaker 4: Communist Party is going to rise, that there is some

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Speaker 4: fucidities that you know, esque trap going on here. I

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Speaker 4: think that that rise of China, you know, we always say,

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Speaker 4: has not occurred in a vacuum, and has it occurred

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Speaker 4: at the hands if not outright, I think.

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Speaker 2: Sellout, although I think that's too nice a term.

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Speaker 4: It's not just elite merger or ratherly capture, it's elite merger.

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Speaker 4: I think between the United States or the Western were

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Speaker 4: broadly in the Chinese Communist Party. But it's happened because

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Speaker 4: they've been buttressed and really I think, able to ascend geopolitically, financially,

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Speaker 4: take your pick, because American elites have sold out to them,

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Speaker 4: or they've just stolen the ip theF take your pick.

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Speaker 2: It's all bad. They get away with it.

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Speaker 4: But someone who is far more of an expert on me.

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Speaker 4: You know, I could rattle on about the United Front

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Speaker 4: Work Department for days. Is one day I will be

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Speaker 4: able to do that again. Is Isaac Stonefish, who is

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Speaker 4: the CEO of Strategy Risks, a kind of consulting firm

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Speaker 4: that ranks companies on their exposure to China.

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Speaker 2: You're all over the media.

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Speaker 4: I think you probably won't take offense if I call

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Speaker 4: you a China hawk, but I wanted to have you

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Speaker 4: on to talk about what is going on with these chips,

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Speaker 4: the new deal that I think is sort of already underway.

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Speaker 4: Your overall assessment of the national security risks that could

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Speaker 4: potentially be posed by sending over in some cases hundreds

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Speaker 4: of thousands of chips Navidia or otherwise to the Saudis,

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Speaker 4: to the Amoradis, and eventually maybe even the Chinese Communist Party.

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Speaker 9: There's a very worrying deal that's being discussed and possibly

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Speaker 9: even going to go through as early as this week

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Speaker 9: that will send hundreds of thousands of Nvidia cutting edge

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Speaker 9: chips to companies that have ties not only to the

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Speaker 9: Saudi and Amoradi governments, but also to the Chinese Communist

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Speaker 9: Party and the problems are multifold two that I'll point

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Speaker 9: out right now. One is the idea that when you

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Speaker 9: are sending cutting edge technology to the Saudi and Amoradi government,

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Speaker 9: we have very little guarantee that those two governments aren't

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Speaker 9: sharing those with the Communist Party. And then this particular

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Speaker 9: entity G forty two does have problematic ties to the

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Speaker 9: Communist Party.

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Speaker 2: And walk us through G forty two.

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Speaker 4: I think they were formerly working with Huawei, then they

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Speaker 4: allegedly abandoned it and favors they could deal with Microsoft,

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Speaker 4: which I would argue is almost equally artily controlled by

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Speaker 4: the Chinese Communist Party. But give us a sort of

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Speaker 4: a sense of the landscape within the chip space, right,

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Speaker 4: A lot of these companies are already at face value sort.

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Speaker 2: Of heavily exposed to the PRC.

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Speaker 9: The problem with G forty two is twofold. One is

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Speaker 9: the exposure that we know about the why are China

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Speaker 9: and Excellent Publication did a great report on that company's

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Speaker 9: ties to the Communist Party. The Select Committee has amplified

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Speaker 9: those concerns and the ties to Huawei to the Party,

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Speaker 9: possibly to the People's Liberation Army, which is you know

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Speaker 9: as the armed wing of the Communist Party. We know

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Speaker 9: some of those, there's so much that we don't know.

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Speaker 9: And so the problem with this is here is this

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Speaker 9: opaque corporate structure that has entities in China. Are we

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Speaker 9: comfortable giving them all of this access? And the deal

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Speaker 9: with Microsoft that you pointed out was Microsoft tried to

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Speaker 9: convince the US government that they would be trusted hands

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Speaker 9: in working with G forty two. And I got to say, politely,

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Speaker 9: that raises a lot of questions.

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Speaker 4: It seems like, you know, and I think it's probably

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Speaker 4: been at the forefront of everyone's mind with a debate

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Speaker 4: going on about the tariffs.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 4: Obviously intellectual property theft, but this is almost a weird

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Speaker 4: form of like consensual intellectual property theft where it's maybe

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Speaker 4: like delayed a few years or you know, through maybe

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Speaker 4: one Internet are.

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Speaker 2: It's somehow going to end up in the hands of

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Speaker 2: the Chinese Communist Party.

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Speaker 4: I'm curious from your perspective, having you know, analyze so

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Speaker 4: many companies and just sort of see deals like this

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Speaker 4: play out time and time again in your experience, what

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Speaker 4: are sort of the motivating factors, whether it's from a

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Speaker 4: company or even country perspective, to pursue deals like this,

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Speaker 4: which are you know, not advantageous to America's national security?

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Speaker 4: Is this something where it's just a difference in ideology,

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Speaker 4: like you know, the tech bro faction, the David's acts

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Speaker 4: of the world who are pushing this just maybe don't

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Speaker 4: view the Chinese as much of a threat as maybe

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Speaker 4: we do.

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Speaker 2: Here in the worm ors.

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Speaker 4: You know, you your firm deal, or is it something

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Speaker 4: more nefarious where you think a lot of people who

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Speaker 4: are tied up in this deal there's room for you know,

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Speaker 4: actual compromise or blackmail or more traditional kind of methods

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Speaker 4: of you know, PRC, infiltration or espionage.

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Speaker 9: Great question one is short term thinking that is common

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Speaker 9: in boardrooms where they think, okay, how do I handle

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Speaker 9: this for Q three K four as opposed to thinking

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Speaker 9: ahead in several years. Second is an inability to price

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Speaker 9: X realities, even within an own firm, So thinking that, oh, great,

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Speaker 9: I'm going to do this deal. It's going to bring

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Speaker 9: in three four hundred million dollars of revenue, but it's

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Speaker 9: going to hurt our firm overall because it's going to

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Speaker 9: give the Chinese access to cutting edge IP. Another one

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Speaker 9: is this misguided, it just quixotic view that the Communist

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Speaker 9: Party does not want to steal US technology is not

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Speaker 9: in a competition, and arguably something even more dire with

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Speaker 9: the United States and this sort of kumbaya we can

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Speaker 9: all get along and dance together happily type of view

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Speaker 9: that you still see sometimes among companies, and so my

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Speaker 9: worry with many major US corporations, especially those in cutting

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Speaker 9: edge technology, is the sense that if it's not banned

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Speaker 9: explicitly by law, we're going to find a way to

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Speaker 9: do it with China or with other governments. And there's

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Speaker 9: also this this transitive property there the oh, maybe we

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Speaker 9: can't sell directly to the people's abration army, but we

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Speaker 9: can sell to an entity that would give it to

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Speaker 9: the people's libration army, and that, in my mind, is

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Speaker 9: also quite problematic.

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Speaker 2: It also seems sort.

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Speaker 4: Of like a for lack of a better word, like

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Speaker 4: a negating almost foil or counter to what I think

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Speaker 4: TSMC did here right by trying to make us more

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Speaker 4: aligned and dependent.

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Speaker 2: Stop the intellectual property theft.

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Speaker 4: Can you maybe explain to our audience why these chips

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Speaker 4: just you know from the get go are so important

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Speaker 4: and sort of the dual use technology, the military civil fusion,

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Speaker 4: how this isn't just you know, they want it for

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Speaker 4: their toasters or advanced electronics. There's nefarious applications that the

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Speaker 4: Chinese are seeking these ships for.

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Speaker 9: Absolutely, and there's plenty of people have a much more

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Speaker 9: sophisticated understanding of the underpinning technology.

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Speaker 2: I'll say the chips.

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Speaker 9: You could see them as building blocks for AI or

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Speaker 9: what companies need to build cutting edged AI models. And

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Speaker 9: the problem with the Communist Party having that, again twofold

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Speaker 9: one is it allows for them to compete or beat

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Speaker 9: the United States in the global AI race.

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Speaker 2: So many implications on that.

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Speaker 9: And the second is, as you said, the very dual

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Speaker 9: use in nature of these chips and this technology. And

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Speaker 9: this is not only about human rights abuses in China,

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Speaker 9: the ability to build better prisons and better monitoring systems

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Speaker 9: through AI, but also all of the military implications. And

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Speaker 9: again here's where the links between the Communist Party and

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Speaker 9: the military are very important. The PLA is the armed

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Speaker 9: wing of the Communist Party. It's a very different system

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Speaker 9: than we have here. So civil military fusion, where say

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Speaker 9: companies like Tencent or Ali Baba, which aren't officially state

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Speaker 9: owned work with the military is one thing, but every

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Speaker 9: Chinese SOE is under the same family as the Communist Party,

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Speaker 9: and so it's already much more fused. And I worry

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Speaker 9: that people will say, oh, I'm worried about say Bank

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Speaker 9: of China or ICBC or these other Chinese companies and

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Speaker 9: their links to the Party in the military. Well, they're

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Speaker 9: already part of the party in the military, and so

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Speaker 9: we have to understand that from the get go.

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Speaker 2: And just last question before we let you go.

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Speaker 4: Do you see any bright spots from a regulatory perspective

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Speaker 4: or legislative perspective, or maybe from a certain companies perspective

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Speaker 4: that are refusing to collaborate, anything like that that our

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Speaker 4: something coming from Congress or their influence efforts successfully I

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Speaker 4: think prevailed through most of DC.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad that.

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Speaker 9: Being tough on the Communist Party is bipartisan in Congress.

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Speaker 9: It's long been a rare area of that, and there

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Speaker 9: are some really bright people in the Trump administration who

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Speaker 9: are pushing really hard on these issues. My worry, it's

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Speaker 9: hard to end on an optimistic note, is that corporations

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Speaker 9: will not focus on national security and longer term concerns

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Speaker 9: and more focus on what's in front of them, Isaac.

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Speaker 4: If people want to follow you, stay up to date

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Speaker 4: with everything you're working on and writing, and learn about

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Speaker 4: your firm, where can they go to do that?

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Speaker 9: Thank Youword strategyisks dot Com and then I'm on Twitter,

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Speaker 9: Isaac Stonefish and LinkedIn as well.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, sir.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for joining us and giving me a chance

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Speaker 4: to talk about the CCP.

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Speaker 2: Should we talk about more. We'll have you back on soon.

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Speaker 2: Warroom Posse. It's wild times.

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Speaker 4: I wish congressional Republicans would do something about it. So

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Speaker 4: often when you hear people talk tough on China, it's

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Speaker 4: a bipartisan consensus because the uniparty thinks that they can

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Speaker 4: deceive you by using it, frankly, just to justify what

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Speaker 4: trillion dollar defence budget. Yet in reality you have people

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Speaker 4: working to send over the very same chips that the

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Speaker 4: PLA is ultimately going to use to manufacture the weapons

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Speaker 4: that they're going to use to fight us, even though

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Speaker 4: they don't want to go kinetic or I don't know,

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Speaker 4: the same people who are going to be probably finding

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Speaker 4: us potentially on that kinetic battlefield. Or at least certainly

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Speaker 4: in the economic, information, political and other spears. Well, I

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Speaker 4: guess we're educating three hundred and fifty thousand of them

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Speaker 4: at the behest and outright sometimes funding. You know, the

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Speaker 4: Chinese Scholarship Council, which is responsible for funding so many

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Speaker 4: foreign students here in the United States, they actually assess

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Speaker 4: which Chinese people they will give scholarships to based on

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Speaker 4: how allegiant they are to the Chinese Communist Party. Of course,

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Speaker 4: always caveated that the allow Baijang, the Chinese people are

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Speaker 4: the greatest victim of the Chinese Communist Party.

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Speaker 2: Take down the CCP. Right, we are joined.

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Speaker 4: Now by Secretary Chuck Gray of the Great State of Wyoming,

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Speaker 4: one of my personal favorites. We got a few minutes.

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Speaker 4: I want to hold you through the break, But let

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Speaker 4: me get this straight. Mark Elias and the lovely crazy

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Speaker 4: lefty law fair Brigade, they're busy suing you because you

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Speaker 4: want to make sure that only citizens vote in our elections.

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Speaker 2: I am I right, We're.

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Speaker 7: Back, and we predicted it that Mark Elias and the

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Speaker 7: radical leftists would be suing us on our proof of

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Speaker 7: citizenship for registering to vote requirement and this is the

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Speaker 7: failed Russian hoaxer who has been sanctioned by the Fifth Circuit,

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Speaker 7: Mark Elias, who, as Steve Bannon notes, he does fight though,

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Speaker 7: And so we have to take this seriously because they're

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Speaker 7: clearly trying to set up a test case on proof

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Speaker 7: of citizenship for registering to vote. Because our proof of

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Speaker 7: citizenship requirement is so aligned with the SAVE Acts, they're

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Speaker 7: trying to win in this case to throw out proof

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Speaker 7: of citizenship at the federal.

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Speaker 6: Level and across our nation.

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Speaker 7: So we have to win, and we're going to defend

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Speaker 7: the law. We're going to defend a strong proof of

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Speaker 7: citizenship and proof of residency registration requirement that we put

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Speaker 7: into place in the twenty twenty five legislative session.

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Speaker 4: When you say test case, can you walk the audience

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Speaker 4: through how it would sort of get worked up potentially

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Speaker 4: to the federal level or why you think they're starting

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Speaker 4: with Wyoming.

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Speaker 7: Alias filed in federal court. And I think that tells

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Speaker 7: you something. And he talks about in the complaint how

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Speaker 7: aligned this law is with documentary proof of citizenship, how

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Speaker 7: strong it is, and how aligned it is with a

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Speaker 7: true documentary proof of citizenship requirement which other states that

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Speaker 7: have reported to do this have all these carve outs.

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Speaker 7: We have the real thing along the lines with the

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Speaker 7: Save Act, and this is a common sense measure to

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Speaker 7: enforce the law. Only citizens should be voting in elections, period.

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Speaker 7: And this is merely enforcing the.

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Speaker 2: Law by putting in place a.

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Speaker 7: Proof of citizenship.

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Speaker 2: Requiring by filing in federal court.

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Speaker 7: And by noting in as it goes through the bill.

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Speaker 6: How aligned it is with.

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Speaker 7: The Save Act, which is proof of citizens for registering

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Speaker 7: developed at the federal level, which pasts the US House.

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Speaker 7: It's pretty clear what he's trying to do here.

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Speaker 2: It really is quite radical. I want to hold you

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Speaker 2: through the break.

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Speaker 4: We've got a jump, but I guess I guess maybe

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Speaker 4: hat tip there. I guess reverse had tip there and

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Speaker 4: exposing their their plans. The enemy is revealing that they

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Speaker 4: really are keen on having non citizens vote though what

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Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure I was told what for.

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Speaker 2: Months last year that you know, Oh, it's a fake.

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Speaker 4: It's a misinformation threat that was created by the right

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Speaker 4: wing to suppress apparently non citizens from voting. So thank

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Speaker 4: you Mark Ollias for delivering your own fact to check.

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Speaker 4: Improving shows like The War Room. Correct. We appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Or imposs We'll be right back.

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Speaker 4: In the meantime, make sure you check out birrtical dot

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Speaker 4: com slash Bannon texting ban into nine eight nine eight

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Speaker 4: nine eight getting the latest installment of the wonderful works

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Speaker 4: that Steve, Philip Patrick and the team have all written.

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Speaker 2: We'll be right back after this short break. More on

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Speaker 2: Mark Ollias.

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Speaker 6: Woe wos your host Stephen came back.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back to the war room, Secretary Gray. We're going

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Speaker 4: to have to bounce in a sec. But obviously, Mark Elias,

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Speaker 4: he's a busy guy. He's been choosing to spend a

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Speaker 4: lot of his time posing and resisting whatever President Trump.

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Speaker 4: So it's interesting I think that he would choose to

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Speaker 4: spend time on you. You should take it as a

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Speaker 4: badge of honor. Why now are they nervous for the midterms?

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Speaker 4: Why are they doing this all in federal court?

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Speaker 7: Well, I think they're very concerned that we're winning on

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Speaker 7: election integrity, winning on document improof of citizenship for registering

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Speaker 7: to vote. I think it's pretty clear they want to

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Speaker 7: established sort.

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Speaker 2: Of a test case at the federal level.

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Speaker 7: If we get the Save Act done. We need to

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Speaker 7: get that done. Natalie, as you always point out, to

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Speaker 7: do nothing. Congress needs to act, the Senate needs to

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Speaker 7: act on the say back, They need to attach it.

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Speaker 7: If they can't get it done in a single piece

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Speaker 7: of legislation too, it must pass piece of legislation and

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Speaker 7: we need to bring it through. So that's why I

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Speaker 7: think he wants to sort of have a ball here

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Speaker 7: in Wyoming because of how strong are perfect citizenship requirement

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Speaker 7: it is, and how in alignment it is with what

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Speaker 7: they are doing at the federal level.

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Speaker 2: Secuary Grave, people want to follow you. I'm sure they're going.

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Speaker 4: To want to keep an eye on this case because

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Speaker 4: margalized well hopefully lose. Where can they go to do

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Speaker 4: that and keep up today with you?

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Speaker 7: You can follow me shot out for Wyoming on s

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Speaker 7: also on truth social Facebook as well. Thank you for

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Speaker 7: having me on, Nadlie. So excited to hear from Catherine

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Speaker 7: in a moment. It was a genuine means here just

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Speaker 7: last week up in Riverton, as she's doing.

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Speaker 2: Great work.

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Speaker 4: There you go in a doorstom of the Secretary of State.

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Speaker 4: So thank you for coming on. We'll have to have

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Speaker 4: you back on when there are any important updates in

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Speaker 4: the case.

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Speaker 7: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: I thought it would only be fitting to have Wyoming's

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Speaker 4: Catherine O'Neill Gillahan.

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Speaker 2: I think on the show a wonderful hat this.

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Speaker 4: Our last guest was saying he was just touring your

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Speaker 4: facilities last week.

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Speaker 2: Has that for timing?

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Speaker 4: I hear you have a wonderful deal for us for

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Speaker 4: the warm polse who's your number one fan?

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Speaker 2: Hit us with it?

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Speaker 10: Yes, thanks so much, Natalie, and thanks to Secretary Gray

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Speaker 10: who's doing great work for Wyoming. So our deal today

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Speaker 10: are beefsticks. It's twenty percent off. Are all natural beef

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Speaker 10: Warroom twenty. They're a great snack or even meal on

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Speaker 10: the go. I eat them every day. I'm a pretty

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Speaker 10: active person, so they're a great snack for you know,

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Speaker 10: moms like myself, or kids that are athletic, or people

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Speaker 2: Do you see that? What was that Vanity Fair New Yorker.

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Speaker 2: They have the.

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Speaker 4: Big piece saying, you know, Americans are trying to eat

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Speaker 4: more protein. Blame Maga protein wonderful, including your beefsticks. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: your hat is a perfect, a perfect way to push

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Speaker 2: Can they let the audience see it? Yes?

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Speaker 10: we believe that eating.

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Speaker 2: Healthy just is just good all around. So hot girls

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Speaker 2: eat beef, so wonderful hat. One more time.

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Speaker 4: If people want to shop everything Merriweather Farms and the

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Speaker 4: beef sticks to the hats, where can they go to

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Speaker 4: do that?

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Homepage Worm twenty.

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Speaker 10: And we always like to care of our war room

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Speaker 10: posse because you guys are the reason that we're still

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Speaker 10: in business.

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Speaker 4: Well, they appreciate it. I think the feeling is mutual.

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Speaker 4: It's a quid pro quo. How about that you're using

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Speaker 4: that term accurately, not in the way that it was

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Speaker 4: described between President Trump and Zelenski.

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Speaker 2: However many years ago. That was Catherine. Thank you so

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Speaker 2: much for joining us. We'll have you back on soon,

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much, Natalie. Great to see you.

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Speaker 4: Of course, likewise, just a quick note for all the

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Speaker 4: apoplexy that you're going to see tonight about whether what's

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Speaker 4: going on in Saudi or the Katari jet, which we

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Speaker 4: can have a should we say, stevend.

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Speaker 2: A partner's discussion about that one. Were any of these people.

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Speaker 4: Raising any concerns about what Hunter Biden was doing with

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Speaker 4: the Chinese Communist Party or the Kataris, or the Saudis,

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Speaker 4: or the Ukrainians, also the Russians or the Mexicans.

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Speaker 2: I don't think so.

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Speaker 4: So, just like all of your lovely coverage that you've

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Speaker 4: suddenly now had your conversion therapy, where you now are

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Speaker 4: willing to call out Joe Biden for a belonging in

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Speaker 4: a wheelchair.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't really care.

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Speaker 4: Millions of people don't read your outlets, sorry, White House Correspondent.

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Speaker 4: That's probably the funniest direct quote, actual fake news that

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Speaker 4: I even I would support a fact checking, maybe even

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Speaker 4: some full blown censorship of, because I've never heard more

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Speaker 4: bs come out of your mouth, and that's a pretty

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Speaker 4: low bar, including calling me a state propagandist.

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Speaker 2: But I digress. We've got Mike Lindell joining us.

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Speaker 4: Mike, you got a few minutes hit us with the

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Speaker 4: latest all things, either Mike Lindell or my pillow.

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Speaker 1: Well, everybody their tax continue my pillow. By the way,

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Speaker 1: this on June second will be part of a lot

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Speaker 1: eighty companies and individuals on my pillo being one of them,

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Speaker 1: and the voting machine companies. And this one goes to

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Speaker 1: trial June second, and we are the only ones that

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Speaker 1: have went all the way to jury trial. Everybody else

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Speaker 1: tuttled with their insurance company. But as you know at

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Speaker 1: the war Room, I will never settle into secure our

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Speaker 1: election platforms. So we really need your help right now,

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Speaker 1: my pillow, my employees, you know they they were sued.

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Speaker 1: They did nothing, They did nothing. This is a you

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Speaker 1: employ your own company under attack. We need your help

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Speaker 1: Warroom Polsey. And the way you can help is to

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Speaker 1: get these products we have that are on sale and

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Speaker 1: have prices that are below hosts sale. We have a

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Speaker 1: fifty percent off sale for the war Room Polse fifty

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Speaker 1: percent or more. These are our Geeza Dreams sheets are

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Speaker 1: flagship sheets where it all started, the most comfortable sheets

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Speaker 1: you will ever sleep on. For forty nine ninety eight

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Speaker 1: any size, any color. They're over one hundred dollars a set.

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Speaker 1: You all know that while they last at this price,

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Speaker 1: we're doing it exclusively for the warm Room policy promo

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Speaker 1: Code Warroom. Go to the website MyPillow dot com. You guys,

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Speaker 1: scroll down to you see Steve, Click on him and

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Speaker 1: there you have it. You have the fifty percent off

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Speaker 1: crosses that you can get right now, the lowest price

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Speaker 1: ever that they that we were sold for and made

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Speaker 1: in the USA. There you see the keys of dream Sheets.

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Speaker 1: All these other products from the towels, to the sheets,

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Speaker 1: to the pillows pillows are well over fifty percent off

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Speaker 1: the mind Pillow premiums now that we've sold over eighty

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Speaker 1: five million. So my employees, thank for all of you

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Speaker 1: at the Warm rum Possey Nawdley, and we're we're we're

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Speaker 1: in this. Thank all of you at the Warm rum

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Speaker 1: Possey Nawdley, and we're we're in this to win it.

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Speaker 2: And it's a win win win.

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Speaker 4: The win win win when although you got to have

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Speaker 4: had a lot more wins nowadays. Mike Lindell, thank you

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Speaker 4: so much for joining us. Thanks Warm Posse, Thank you

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Speaker 4: as always for hanging with me. My parting thought, just

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Speaker 4: imagine what today's Saudi experience would have looked like had

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Speaker 4: it been Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not just talking about the gaffes, but I

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Speaker 2: don't think.

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Speaker 4: You would probably feel as proud to be an American

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Speaker 4: if she'd been over there.

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Speaker 2: Have a good one, I'll see you guys.