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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Missed in History Class from how

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Speaker 1: Stuff Works dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm to bling a chalk reboarding and I'm sair Down.

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Speaker 1: And the topic that we're going to talk about in

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Speaker 1: this podcast has been requested repeatedly by listeners and hopefully

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Speaker 1: you all can stomach a really sad podcast because the

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Speaker 1: story of the Lindbergh baby kidnapping really doesn't have any

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Speaker 1: upbeat moments to speak of. It involves the kidnapping of

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Speaker 1: twenty month old Charles Augustus Lindberg Jr. From his home

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Speaker 1: near Hopewell, New Jersey, in what was called the crime

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Speaker 1: of the century. Yeah, and it really is tragic, not

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Speaker 1: just because of the kidnapping of a small child, but

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Speaker 1: the baby was not found alive and in the end

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Speaker 1: a guy was convicted and executed for the crime. But

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Speaker 1: there's still some uncertainty hanging around the whole thing, and

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Speaker 1: that's probably why people are still interested in it today,

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Speaker 1: because the guy never con us to the crime even

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Speaker 1: though he was killed for it. That's right, And it

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Speaker 1: also spread fear and grief all across the nation as

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Speaker 1: people identified with and really mourned for the two parents,

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Speaker 1: and they were celebrated aviator Charles Lindbergh of course, and

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Speaker 1: his wife Anne, and their notoriety really made the trial

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Speaker 1: interesting too, because it was an early example of a

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Speaker 1: major celebrity trial that consumed the public's attention during the time.

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Speaker 1: And you often see it compared to another trial that

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Speaker 1: I think most people will be familiar with. I hope

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Speaker 1: so at least otherwise I'll feel really really old, um,

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Speaker 1: and that's the O. J. Simpson trial. Um, just in

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Speaker 1: terms of the amount of public interests that it generated.

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Speaker 1: So you can tell by that comparison that is definitely

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Speaker 1: among one of the most famous trials of the century. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it is one of the crimes of the century. It's

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Speaker 1: hard to pick just one. We were talking about that

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Speaker 1: when we were titling this podcast. Actually they're they're ironically

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Speaker 1: several crimes of the century. But this is up there.

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna take a look at the kidnapping, the investigation,

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Speaker 1: the trial, and then try to understand why it counted

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Speaker 1: as a as a crime a possible crime of the century,

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Speaker 1: to why it captivated people so much. But before we

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Speaker 1: about Charles Lindberg, the famous aviator. Yeah. Absolutely. He was

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Speaker 1: famous for making the first solo flight across the Atlantic

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Speaker 1: And he did this to compete for a dollar prize

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Speaker 1: that was offered to whoever could pull this great feet off.

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Speaker 1: And he made the flight in thirty three point five

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Speaker 1: hours on this tiny silver mono plane called the Spirit

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Speaker 1: of St. Louis. And pretty much from the moment he

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Speaker 1: that's the part I guess that's really significant to our

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Speaker 1: and some people even refer to him as a hero

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Speaker 1: of folk hero at the young age of five. But

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Speaker 1: Lindberg really was an aviator. That's the kind of thing

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Speaker 1: he was interested in flying planes. He was not out

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Speaker 1: And that's partly because he was just kind of a

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Speaker 1: He was born in Detroit on February fourth, nineteen o two,

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