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Speaker 1: Bro? That's right. Welcome to another edition the Around the
Speaker 1: NFL Podcast.
Speaker 3: I'm Greg Rosenthal sitting in I'm for day hans is
Speaker 3: today moving back on Thursday alongside a couple of heroes
Speaker 3: in the Chris Westling podcast studio.
Speaker 1: It's Mark Sessler and Patrick clay Vaughn.
Speaker 4: What's up, guys. There's a lot of important people here today. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and there was a crew of them. I say that
Speaker 4: whenever people are in suits and I walk past a
Speaker 4: bunch of people in suits and somebody was telling them like, yeah,
Speaker 4: Mark Sessler and Greg Rosenthal and Dan Hansens do a podcast.
Speaker 1: Wait really, yeah?
Speaker 5: Is this true? I liked the order.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was the order. It may have been because
Speaker 4: they walked by and that was the order.
Speaker 3: Now he wasn't there because there were people in suits
Speaker 3: that had no idea who they were pointing at me
Speaker 3: while I was sitting here eating an apple by myself
Speaker 3: in the stud But you.
Speaker 6: Know where we sit in the newsroom, I'm constantly I
Speaker 6: had the most fishbowl seat possible because they bring those
Speaker 6: tours by its school kids or its executives or fill
Speaker 6: in the blank, and like I'm sitting there with like
Speaker 6: two cups of coffee, like I look like a disaster,
Speaker 6: and there's just staring at you, like be hyping mornings.
Speaker 1: I missed that. I can't wait for whatever dignitaries.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I believe Troy Vincent who works in the league office,
Speaker 3: but many other league office figures around the studio. Mark
Speaker 3: Sanchez was just in this studio. But as much as
Speaker 3: I want to, like, I see how you're doing, Patrick's
Speaker 3: It's nice to see you. It's been a little uh
Speaker 3: bit And Mark, yes.
Speaker 5: You are concerned about how I'm doing. I'm sure.
Speaker 3: It's just like we can't wait any longer. One of
Speaker 3: the biggest stories that we've covered around the NFL have
Speaker 3: this week.
Speaker 1: Let let's just drop that news drop right now.
Speaker 2: Eric.
Speaker 3: That was Ron Rivera in the winning locker room Commanders
Speaker 3: take down the Ravens on Monday night, football crowd going crazy,
Speaker 3: Joe Buck, Troy Aikman.
Speaker 1: It felt big because it was big.
Speaker 3: John johan Dotson said after the game, I felt like
Speaker 3: we just had the biggest preseason w in history.
Speaker 5: He's not wrong, He's not wrong.
Speaker 6: I mean, I would say because if you talk about
Speaker 6: when they were branded as the Commanders. Okay, I'm saying
Speaker 6: even post Washington football team like that is the This
Speaker 6: was the biggest moment in Commander's history. What was bigger?
Speaker 6: What was bigger like some hollow victory in Week four
Speaker 6: a year ago.
Speaker 4: Before that, Before this, it was the opening press conference
Speaker 4: for Josh Harris and Magic Johnson.
Speaker 2: Fair and there's fanfare.
Speaker 4: But this was actual football and people were poop pooing it.
Speaker 4: The celebration. We heard Ron in the locker room. They
Speaker 4: ran the end of the game celebration and they everybody's
Speaker 4: on the field, like let the let the dudes have fun,
Speaker 4: like a lot of those dudes may not ever play
Speaker 4: NFL football.
Speaker 6: And Greg Troy called it, he said, this is the
Speaker 6: greatest preseason game I've ever been a part of.
Speaker 3: It actually was great from the first half where Josh
Speaker 3: Johnson and Sam how are going up and down the
Speaker 3: field and it looked like football because we had a
Speaker 3: lot of starters, especially for Washington playing and then you
Speaker 3: get to the end and the drama and the comeback
Speaker 3: and uh wait, who was it again? Jake from for
Speaker 3: Washington and the excitement in Joe Buck's voice.
Speaker 1: On the game winning field goal was just incredible. The
Speaker 1: crowd is on their feet. There, that's Troy.
Speaker 2: This good stuff. All right, here we.
Speaker 1: Go, Troy.
Speaker 3: I feel I had a little tongue in cheek for
Speaker 3: perhaps in the game, but.
Speaker 4: It's still good for them to pretends the crowds a
Speaker 4: pre season.
Speaker 7: Seconds left, the Commanders are on top by one.
Speaker 3: Great job, great job by Joe of course, but also
Speaker 3: by the ESPN cameras immediately catching the awkward high fives
Speaker 3: for the ownership group in Washington.
Speaker 1: And that crowd was loud. I'm not shocked.
Speaker 3: The Raiders crowd, I got to admit, was very loud,
Speaker 3: louder than any preseason game I've ever been to. On Saturday,
Speaker 3: I can only imagine what's happening. I'm sad that Dan's
Speaker 3: not here for this. Of course, he did the Hard
Speaker 3: Knocks podcast on Tuesday. Everyone should check that out. But
Speaker 3: I couldn't wait another day before we got.
Speaker 6: Well and Dan, you know, Dan, I I became very
Speaker 6: enthused by this streak that the Ravens you know, concocted,
Speaker 6: and I don't think we'll ever be touched by any
Speaker 6: other team ever again while we're alive. But Dan offered
Speaker 6: that he said did say he would apologize after essentially
Speaker 6: guaranteeing a Ravens victory and that will come tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, put a pin in that we'll have to revisit it.
Speaker 7: And did go live on Instagram during the final like
Speaker 7: six minutes, and you know, there was a couple of penalties,
Speaker 7: a couple of injuries. So it got stretched out where
Speaker 7: Dan was in his front room watching this game on
Speaker 7: Instagram live for a cool like ten or so minutes.
Speaker 7: Just he got he got a little hyped when it,
Speaker 7: you know, the ball through the uprights. I kind of
Speaker 7: had a little push to it. Yeah, he looked as
Speaker 7: he yelled he pushed it and then over the eyes.
Speaker 2: It may have been ultimately dance fault.
Speaker 3: It was, and look, emotions were running high. You may
Speaker 3: think we're spending a lot of time on this game.
Speaker 3: By the way, Sam Howell showed to me why he's
Speaker 3: going to be a fun watch this year.
Speaker 1: He's looking for big plays.
Speaker 3: He's not afraid to run the ball either, and he
Speaker 3: looked quite good in that game. Terry McLaurin unfortunately had
Speaker 3: a tow injury.
Speaker 1: He's day to day.
Speaker 3: That's a little concerning turf tow injury. But there were
Speaker 3: high emotions on Washington side. There were high emotions on
Speaker 3: Baltimore side as well. John Harbaugh was clearly not happy
Speaker 3: after this game.
Speaker 8: Preseason games that people want to write about, some of
Speaker 8: you in here want to write about and say they
Speaker 8: don't mean anything because you never played the game. You
Speaker 8: never were out there in a preseason game, you never
Speaker 8: were fighting for a spot on the team, And yet
Speaker 8: you have the audacity to say that the effort that
Speaker 8: somebody puts into that to win and fight and win
Speaker 8: a game like that is meaningless. Tell me I was
Speaker 8: meaningless out there. What you just saw if you like football?
Speaker 8: Is that a meaningless football game? You know, I can't
Speaker 8: respect anybody that says that.
Speaker 2: That's gotta be tough for the guy that wrote that.
Speaker 6: I mean, he went there with that you never played scenario,
Speaker 6: which is sort of like infallible against most people.
Speaker 3: I mean, uh, I'm kind of with him, but you
Speaker 3: can you could tell it meant a lot because he
Speaker 3: talked about how proud he was and they they did
Speaker 3: not want to lose this game.
Speaker 6: So I don't know Baltimore like they only played a
Speaker 6: couple starters on defense, Like I think, if you want
Speaker 6: to rewind Earth by a day or two and say
Speaker 6: maybe we just load that defense with all our starters
Speaker 6: and we put we keep everyone in here.
Speaker 5: Like, I hate that the streak has been snapped.
Speaker 2: The second to last year. I was wondering, like, we're
Speaker 2: gonna Getjeosh Jawnson back.
Speaker 3: Right, They actually haven't played It's a misnomer. They haven't
Speaker 3: played their starters for most of this streak. They kind
Speaker 3: of take a pretty normal approach in terms of who's in,
Speaker 3: who's out. But rest in peace Raven's preseason streak. My
Speaker 3: son Walker I think was alive before this started, but
Speaker 3: he can't remember. He was just an infant. But yeah,
Speaker 3: it was Malcolm alive for.
Speaker 4: A welcome did not exist. He would not exist for
Speaker 4: two more years. And like he's running around like going
Speaker 4: into first grade.
Speaker 6: Like my children were alive, but they were not. They
Speaker 6: did not remember that last victory that they had the Ravens.
Speaker 4: The story September third, twenty fifteen game against the Falcons,
Speaker 4: that's where that's where this all began.
Speaker 3: Tiny nugget I wanted to throw in just from that
Speaker 3: game was I don't think Tyler Huntley is going to
Speaker 3: be on this team.
Speaker 5: You've been on the speed.
Speaker 3: And I because if you in Harbaugh's been the one
Speaker 3: that's on this beat, if you listen to his quotes
Speaker 3: all camp, he's made it clear that for whatever reason,
Speaker 3: this backup competition is wide open. We really like Josh Johnson.
Speaker 3: Tyler Huntley has to go earn this spot. He's not
Speaker 3: guaranteed anything. And you look at what they did this offseason.
Speaker 3: They looked into Baker Mayfield, they looked into Jacobe Brissett,
Speaker 3: just something. And then you listen to the ESPN broadcasters
Speaker 3: who said point blank that the offensive coordinator now Todd Monkin,
Speaker 3: really loves Josh Johnson. I think prefers Josh Johnson and
Speaker 3: want another team. Come on, give up, give up a
Speaker 3: six to seventh round pick swap or a fifth round
Speaker 3: pick that's worth Tyler Huntley.
Speaker 1: He's a good backup.
Speaker 6: I mean, you can't have your backup making the Pro
Speaker 6: Bowl when the starter. And that's controversial at the more.
Speaker 1: Is that what happened? Yeah? I guess well, I mean
Speaker 1: he was injured.
Speaker 5: Mar Jackson didn't make it. I'm just saying last year
Speaker 5: in Pro Bowl.
Speaker 4: Quarterback Tyler Huntley, I'm okay with it because Josh Johnson
Speaker 4: deserves this.
Speaker 1: That's pretty This has been.
Speaker 4: Something that we've been and we saw he played well
Speaker 4: for the Broncos last preseason and it's like, oh, this
Speaker 4: is finally it, but then he gets cut and would
Speaker 4: I would like to see Josh Johnson finally be able
Speaker 4: to have a full season with one team where he
Speaker 4: can live his life because.
Speaker 1: He's generally look good in the regular scene. So we'll see.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of teams could use some backup quarterbacks.
Speaker 3: One team that won't, though, is the San Francisco forty
Speaker 3: nine Ers. As they're going to tape, the news broke
Speaker 3: that Sam Darnold is going to be the backup quarterback
Speaker 3: with San Francisco. I feel like there's more important news here,
Speaker 3: but this is the freshest and it's pretty spicy when
Speaker 3: you think about Trey Lance going into the season as
Speaker 3: a number three quarterback or will he our rap sheet
Speaker 3: I rapport and Tom Pelisero saying that the forty nine
Speaker 3: ers are evaluating option with Trey Lance.
Speaker 1: Which would mean a potential trade.
Speaker 6: We're gonna get into our segment later, which is you know,
Speaker 6: outstanding still unresolved, big mysteries of the season.
Speaker 5: If that's the title, Greg, is it close to beautiful?
Speaker 1: Beautiful mysteries?
Speaker 3: If Dan was here, he would have laid that out
Speaker 3: right off the top, But I just was overwhelmed by I.
Speaker 6: Think it's good you created a mystery for the audience.
Speaker 6: They didn't know what would come after the news. Now
Speaker 6: they know. The first thing I had was the fate
Speaker 6: of Trey Lance, because he's just felt very tradable. He's
Speaker 6: felt it just has felt like Kyle Shanahan verbally and
Speaker 6: in practice has never really fully backed Trey Lance as
Speaker 6: a concept. You know, Trey Lance's body is not back
Speaker 6: Trey Lance as a concept too, which has been sort
Speaker 6: of a problem. But you hear how he talks about
Speaker 6: Sam Darnold. I felt like this was in the mail
Speaker 6: for weeks. He's fascinated by Sam Donald.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if we go back, because honestly, what's the number
Speaker 4: I got Profo ball reference with fifty six career attempts
Speaker 4: for Trey Lance, Like that, that's really it. And so
Speaker 4: in terms not many college ones either, no, and even
Speaker 4: going back to high school right that, there's a limited
Speaker 4: number of reps, and so it's an uncertain thing. But
Speaker 4: we know what Sam Donald is. And then I think
Speaker 4: coach Shanahan knows what Sam Donald is. The question is
Speaker 4: that they can't afford necessarily to just keep waiting right
Speaker 4: now for Trey Lance. And if somebody else wants to
Speaker 4: come in and say, hey, we'll take this, then then
Speaker 4: that's the way they go. But I also think it's
Speaker 4: worth considering that they were evaluating all options with Jimmy
Speaker 4: Garoppolo well before this time last year, and he wounds
Speaker 4: up starting all those games, so these things were fluid.
Speaker 3: I would hold on to Trey Lance. If they don't
Speaker 3: get anything better than, you know, a late round pick
Speaker 3: offer for him, I'm with you, and I'm not sure
Speaker 3: they will.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: They might like Brandon Allen, who is their fourth quarterback,
Speaker 3: who is the Bengals backup and would be a big
Speaker 3: upgrade by the way on the Bengals backup situation, and
Speaker 3: I know Cincinnati is keeping an eye on that. Maybe
Speaker 3: they feel like, okay, that's a third quarterback. We really
Speaker 3: don't need Trey Lance. But just based on everything that's
Speaker 3: happened with forty nine Ers quarterbacks over the last handful
Speaker 3: of years, like, I don't know they are in their
Speaker 3: Super Bowl window unless they just feel like it's too awkward.
Speaker 3: I don't hate having Trey Lance as a third good option,
Speaker 3: even if they feel that Donald is better as a
Speaker 3: second option. I just don't think they've seen the progress
Speaker 3: in the preseason in terms of making the right reads
Speaker 3: and quick decisions from Lance. And that's why Donald is second.
Speaker 3: And you said they know what they have in Donald,
Speaker 3: and I'm curious to see him with the forty nine.
Speaker 3: He'll be better with the forty nine ers than he's
Speaker 3: probably ever been just because he's on the forty nine ers,
Speaker 3: and every quarterback would be better with forty nine ers.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it feels like a safe assumption and there's some
Speaker 4: certainty there, and get some consistency because Sam seeing coaches
Speaker 4: get fired too, he's seeing staffs turn over. Is one
Speaker 4: hundred and two attempts career for Trey Lance. Want to
Speaker 4: make sure I got that number right. Sam Darnald in
Speaker 4: his four biggest attempt games has that number, Like in
Speaker 4: four games alone has the has an equal number of
Speaker 4: dropbacks as Trey Lance. And so I think while this
Speaker 4: happens and the first thought, maybe oh Trey Lance is
Speaker 4: a bust, it's over, we still.
Speaker 2: Don't know, just like we didn't know. With Sam Darnald,
Speaker 2: we don't know.
Speaker 6: And like I think also, if anything, there is this
Speaker 6: element to Trey Lance that other coaches, there's gonna be
Speaker 6: coaches out there that think that if we need a
Speaker 6: quarterback at some point in the season, if things go
Speaker 6: south or there's an injury, like he seems like high potential,
Speaker 6: like he's gonna be a object of fascination to other coachings.
Speaker 3: But it's a red flag for everyone if they're they're
Speaker 3: going to look at it and think, man if Shanahan
Speaker 3: couldn't get it going, that's gonna hurt his value. And
Speaker 3: he's in a weird spot where I think Tyler Tyler
Speaker 3: Huntley in some ways would be more attractive to teams
Speaker 3: looking for a backup quarterback because he's just a veteran
Speaker 3: who knows how to be a backup. He's established kind
Speaker 3: of his baseline of solid play, and Trey Lance is
Speaker 3: more of a bet on the future. But it's not
Speaker 3: necessarily like a secure backup. But a team like Tampa,
Speaker 3: for instance, I was kind of looking at the teams who, hey,
Speaker 3: throw a fourth out there or something like that. Arizona
Speaker 3: like La Rams, I actually don't think would be a
Speaker 3: crazy one, although I don't know if you can imagine them.
Speaker 1: Trade like just just a lottery ticket.
Speaker 4: I could see Sean in that sort of weird relationship
Speaker 4: with Kyle thing where he's like, yeah, let me take
Speaker 4: Trey Lance into something.
Speaker 1: Got right.
Speaker 3: It would have to be a team that it's more
Speaker 3: thinking about, like, well, we're not really sure what's gonna
Speaker 3: happen next year, and maybe our starter is not going
Speaker 3: to stay healthy. Who knows. Let's move on to the
Speaker 3: rest of the news. Jonathan Taylor requested a trade since
Speaker 3: we last did a podcast, and it feels like he
Speaker 3: didn't he already request the trade. I don't permission to
Speaker 3: the granted permission to seek a trade, thank you. Patrick,
Speaker 3: and the Dolphins were a team that Barry Jackson and
Speaker 3: the Miami Herald throughout there as a team that could
Speaker 3: possibly be interested in another national reporter. I believe through
Speaker 3: that out there as well. So small movement on the
Speaker 3: Jonathan Taylor front, but not really. The Colts, for their part,
Speaker 3: say he still has not been cleared for practice, that
Speaker 3: he's not medically cleared, which is dubious but also complicates
Speaker 3: this trade situation.
Speaker 6: I mean, this story is weighing on my patients, I
Speaker 6: move beyond whatever happens to him with the Cults to
Speaker 6: just like where he could possibly land because he's in
Speaker 6: a tough spot because on top of having to pay
Speaker 6: him beyond this year, he wants a new contract that's
Speaker 6: not gonna change. He goes to a new team, He's
Speaker 6: not gonna simmer on that, I don't think. But then
Speaker 6: you've got to give essentially the Colts draft picks, and
Speaker 6: you know, the wording out there is that they want
Speaker 6: to sen sort of what Christian McCaffrey got in return
Speaker 6: from the Niners, which was I believe a second, a
Speaker 6: third and a fifth or something a future fifth. Like,
Speaker 6: I'm not happendent what team. I mean, it's just hard
Speaker 6: to find teams that will do that. And my mind
Speaker 6: goes back to the Cowboys a little bit because it
Speaker 6: feels like kind of a Cowboys type thing to maybe
Speaker 6: pull clever that.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 6: There's not a lot of landing spots, and it's a
Speaker 6: tough time a year to do it. Your rosters are
Speaker 6: mostly set.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the good news, at least for Jonathan,
Speaker 4: you get some sort of an answer, right that's with
Speaker 4: regards to what the market is how teams feel about
Speaker 4: and also he gets what he wanted from the Colts.
Speaker 4: Was just an opportunity to look into this, Like we
Speaker 4: saw Austin Eckler go through this and the Chargers actually
Speaker 4: wound up giving Austin a little bit more money, changed
Speaker 4: in the structure a little bit. Maybe there's some hope
Speaker 4: that he can see some sort of movement in that
Speaker 4: aspect after this process goes through. But at least he's
Speaker 4: going to have more answers now than he did a
Speaker 4: few weeks ago. Which no, it was like, hey, am
Speaker 4: I going to be a cult next year? Like can
Speaker 4: we talk? No, we don't have to talk about this,
Speaker 4: So no, and we could both be long gone and
Speaker 4: nobody would care whatever.
Speaker 6: You know, what's weird is the team that needs a
Speaker 6: running back is the Cults, Right, they should trade for
Speaker 6: Jonathan Taylor.
Speaker 1: I feel like that would be a good move.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't give up all those McCaffrey picks. I mean
Speaker 3: that was like a trade deadline trade where you got
Speaker 3: a an elite player I think even on a level
Speaker 3: slightly above tailor, who is healthy in the middle of
Speaker 3: a good season, and you had multiple division you had
Speaker 3: division rivals, the Rams and the forty nine ers both
Speaker 3: going after him, driving the price up.
Speaker 1: This is before the season. He's not one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: He's coming off a weird year, like there's no chance,
Speaker 3: and they're kind of talking out of both sides of
Speaker 3: their mouth where they're not gonna give him the money,
Speaker 3: and yet they want the trade value of someone that good.
Speaker 1: So I do not expect him to be on another team.
Speaker 1: The one thing I.
Speaker 3: Would slightly disagree to markets he might just take a
Speaker 3: trade and not look for the new money that like,
Speaker 3: if he got onto a good team, I might just
Speaker 3: be happy to get out of there and then try
Speaker 3: I don't think.
Speaker 6: It'll be a talking point now, but I guess you
Speaker 6: could go back and my agency. But I think, like,
Speaker 6: in general, why are we in these situations with these
Speaker 6: running backs, Because they've gotten on a zoom call together
Speaker 6: and wholeheartedly agree that their value is not being valued
Speaker 6: by other teams. And so it's like, I don't think
Speaker 6: he's gonna go quiet about that, but not.
Speaker 3: Right right, And I'm just guessing because one thing Stephen Holder,
Speaker 3: who's a good reporter of the Colts, pointed out this morning,
Speaker 3: he's at ESPN now was at the Athletic He said,
Speaker 3: if anyone thinks, and he's seen this written, that like
Speaker 3: Jonathan Taylor is just doing what his agent wants him
Speaker 3: to do. You have never spoken with Jonathan Taylor in
Speaker 3: your life. Jonathan Taylor is the one running this show.
Speaker 3: He's a strong willed individual, he's a smart guy, and
Speaker 3: he is the one that is making this stance. It
Speaker 3: is not about like him doing what the agent just
Speaker 3: asks him to do.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he just watched Josh Jacobs lead the NFL in
Speaker 4: rushing and see his circumstances improve.
Speaker 2: Not at all right because.
Speaker 3: Of that, Although I think Josh Jacobs is gonna I
Speaker 3: hope that can open up jon Jonathan Taylor returning because
Speaker 3: it really sounds like Jonathan Josh Jacobs is gonna come back,
Speaker 3: and I highly suspect he's gonna get like a Saquon
Speaker 3: Barkley raised plus to come back, like some incentives and
Speaker 3: maybe a little more money. That's that's the buzz at
Speaker 3: least around the Raiders, and I tend.
Speaker 1: To believe it.
Speaker 4: And if he hadn't been public about his discontent regarding
Speaker 4: the situation, I wonder would that be happening. Yeah, ultimately,
Speaker 4: like these guys are their options are very limited, and
Speaker 4: Jonathan Taylor's looking at all. Right, So let's say I
Speaker 4: give my all and do everything I can for the Colts.
Speaker 4: If what you're telling me right now in August twenty
Speaker 4: twenty three is none of that matters? Like why am
Speaker 4: I smashing my body into three hundred and thirty pound people?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 6: I mean also, I mean, if you're Shane Stichen, if
Speaker 6: you're Anthony Richardson, it's like, what are we doing here? Like,
Speaker 6: I get the owner doesn't want to pay this running back,
Speaker 6: but this is an owner that a year ago decided
Speaker 6: to hire an ESPN analyst as head coach. I mean,
Speaker 6: the Colts are a picture you'll almost forget about high
Speaker 6: organization for a while, and it's like what is going
Speaker 6: on here?
Speaker 3: And they have by far the worst running back room
Speaker 3: in the league without Jonathan Taylor, you kind of pointed
Speaker 3: out earlier, But that's a team that really wants to
Speaker 3: run the ball, and like, running backs are an important
Speaker 3: relative to other positions until you don't have one and
Speaker 3: you want to run the ball, and it's a problem.
Speaker 3: Let's move on to the least surprising news of the week.
Speaker 3: We don't have to spend too much time on this,
Speaker 3: but that Baker Mayfield is your Week one Bucks starter.
Speaker 3: Todd Bowles finally announced that you were once a Baker
Speaker 3: Mayfield believer and appreciator.
Speaker 2: Mark.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he he wore me down a little bit, and
Speaker 5: I hope here.
Speaker 6: I think I think there's hope because I think again
Speaker 6: it's he has experience. He still seems to me to
Speaker 6: be highly self confident hearing his comments about being named starter.
Speaker 6: I think it's the big the Baker Mayfield experience has
Speaker 6: a lot of people down on Baker Mayfield when as
Speaker 6: a player, I think he's a B minus quarterback. He's
Speaker 6: better than Kyle Trask. I think in general, this announcement
Speaker 6: probably was triggered by our own show because Dan went
Speaker 6: on another rant about the fact that this had you
Speaker 6: know that Todd Bowles was just like hedging around this
Speaker 6: absurdly obvious decision. Now we know it's one of the
Speaker 6: least exciting quarterback battles I can remember ever in my
Speaker 6: entire life.
Speaker 3: Wait, I want to get your thoughts before we hear
Speaker 3: from Patrick Mark on the Bucks social media photo Time
Speaker 3: to Bake. I don't know if you saw this it's
Speaker 3: actually the pinned tweet on Buccaneers Twitter account right now.
Speaker 3: I was like, is this a weed reference? Because it's
Speaker 3: getting kind of wild here. Time to bake.
Speaker 5: I mean, that's what you make to you, it is
Speaker 5: what are your thoughts?
Speaker 6: I think in general, I don't want to sound you know,
Speaker 6: kin tankeris, but these these social media outfits need to absolutely,
Speaker 6: you know, settle down a little bit.
Speaker 5: I don't hate that graph.
Speaker 1: I think it looks. I think it's fun.
Speaker 3: It's a cool graphic, and uh, there's not a lot
Speaker 3: of pop to the bucks right now. Let's have some
Speaker 3: fun with the quarterback announcement.
Speaker 4: I think we will be seeing this graphic again on
Speaker 4: our timelines if things don't necessarily go great for the Buccaneers.
Speaker 4: But I'm glad that we'll have another one of the
Speaker 4: another edition of the Baker Mayfield cycle, and he's gonna
Speaker 4: come out, he's going to address his doubters, and then
Speaker 4: there's going to be some conversation and then you know,
Speaker 4: there'll be reason to doubt, and then this thing will
Speaker 4: happen again.
Speaker 3: You're you're reminding me of the QB one Nathan Peterman
Speaker 3: that the Bills released.
Speaker 2: Once one of the greatest tweets of all time that.
Speaker 1: Got reused quite a bit.
Speaker 3: I am Dalton had one of those. I'm hoping, Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's right. Dalton had a good one. Was that with
Speaker 3: the Bears?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 1: I think that was with the Bears.
Speaker 5: It was like, why did you even tweet that?
Speaker 1: Hard to keep track of the teams? He was on,
Speaker 1: why did you x that?
Speaker 3: I am hoping for a Baker resurgence because number one,
Speaker 3: I want Mike Evans and Chris Godwin to do well
Speaker 3: and I just want them to be watchable. And this
Speaker 3: story that PFT has been writing about that's in the
Speaker 3: in the legal system right now, how he's suing for
Speaker 3: essentially millions of dollars, maybe over tens of millions of
Speaker 3: dollars of his investments. That sounds like money started going
Speaker 3: missing and it's family members who are involved in this
Speaker 3: investment group where over ten million dollars is gone missing.
Speaker 1: And he spoke about it. He was kind of emotionable.
Speaker 3: This has been going on for a long time now
Speaker 3: is going public and makes you feel for him because
Speaker 3: that that is a difficult thing to go through.
Speaker 1: For anyone, especially with your family.
Speaker 3: Chris Jones is a reply guy this week, Patrick, the
Speaker 3: Chiefs defensive tackle, makes some news by just replying deep
Speaker 3: into his mentions to just some random fan when they're like, well,
Speaker 3: when is it?
Speaker 1: When is he going to show up?
Speaker 3: Like this guy's got to show up blah blah blah
Speaker 3: blah blah. Money he's not he needs to show up soon,
Speaker 3: And Chris Jones just replies week eight. That's when it
Speaker 3: was actually like, oh, that's actually kind of news. He's like,
Speaker 3: that's what I'm going to show up. And he had
Speaker 3: another response in the same thread where he where they're like,
Speaker 3: he's got to show up soon.
Speaker 1: He's losing millions of dollars and he.
Speaker 6: Said they do they like on Rotor World, do they
Speaker 6: credit not that the fan? The fan asked the question,
Speaker 6: So he's sort of reporter asking a question, do they
Speaker 6: credit the fan?
Speaker 3: I think they credit Chris because Chris was the one
Speaker 3: that made made the news.
Speaker 2: Jack Smith twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1: Chris said he had.
Speaker 3: Plenty of money, and I don't I don't doubt him.
Speaker 3: He is going for his third contract, not his second
Speaker 3: one here, so he's banked some money.
Speaker 1: You buy it.
Speaker 3: It's a little This one has more he and maybe
Speaker 3: not animosity but more doubt to it than any other
Speaker 3: holdout right now, not Nick Bosa, not Christian Wilkins.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's expressed a willingness and said that he's got
Speaker 4: plenty of money. Patrick Mahomes was at the mic, and
Speaker 4: of course, you know, Mahomes gets these questions and he said,
Speaker 4: you know, he supports Chris. He's gonna stay away from it,
Speaker 4: but you know, you support people trying to to earn
Speaker 4: fair compensation. And so I think, like reading the tea lead,
Speaker 4: maybe there's a little bit of budget from veaching company.
Speaker 4: I don't know, it doesn't there's no reason if Chris Jones,
Speaker 4: let's say he wants to come back week three, why
Speaker 4: not let him think about week eight, you know, just
Speaker 4: throw that out there.
Speaker 2: It's all a negotiation.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's watching, you know, Dexter, Lawrence Deron Payne, Jeffrey Simmons,
Speaker 6: Quinn Williams all get paid. And he is as important
Speaker 6: as anyone on the team to that defense.
Speaker 5: And I do buy it.
Speaker 6: I think he you know, you get to a point
Speaker 6: where you could he's willing to pay the fines, willing
Speaker 6: to you know, let certain money go because he believes
Speaker 6: in himself. And I think if you're the Chiefs, it's
Speaker 6: like you're in this really special, unique place where you
Speaker 6: could win multiple super Bowls like pay him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, his words, where I can afford it.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: The reason I wanted to mention too, because it's like
Speaker 3: the the temper you're getting heat. You know, brought up
Speaker 3: a little bit Andy Reid said about Chris Jones. There's
Speaker 3: been no communication. Whatever happens happens, the game goes on.
Speaker 3: Nick Bosa is still holding out, and yet I just
Speaker 3: am not worried about that one.
Speaker 1: I just think that one's gonna happen before the season.
Speaker 5: I don't feel worried about any of these sitis. No,
Speaker 5: I know what you mean, but.
Speaker 3: I just mean I expect Nick Bosa to be ready
Speaker 3: in time for week one. I expect Christian Wilkins, who's
Speaker 3: quietly having a hold in right now in Miami, to
Speaker 3: be ready for week one. I expect Josh Jacob's back. Taylor,
Speaker 3: we talked about Jones Jones. It wouldn't shock me if
Speaker 3: he actually missed me.
Speaker 6: If you're Christian Wilkins, you gotta get a little more
Speaker 6: pr going in this half. People don't even know he's
Speaker 6: gonna hold out, like you gotta let it everyone.
Speaker 1: No, he's the holding is tricky. Yeah, people don't like
Speaker 1: it as much.
Speaker 3: One last quick injury nugget before we get to eight
Speaker 3: o'clock to light Jackson Smith and Jigba who we talked
Speaker 3: about you talked about Mark right is a long shot
Speaker 3: for week one. We didn't know that he heard his
Speaker 3: wrist in that preseason game. Long shot for week one
Speaker 3: is Ian Rappaport's reporting after risk surgery. They're pretty thinnet
Speaker 3: wide receiver after their top three, which might be the
Speaker 3: best top three in the league, and yet I don't
Speaker 3: know who their number three is.
Speaker 1: It might be a man named Jake Bobo.
Speaker 6: Well that's exciting. I mean, yeah, we mentioned Jackson on
Speaker 6: the last episode. It's like I thought it was someone
Speaker 6: that from the minute the first game starts. He's an
Speaker 6: important part of their offense, and suddenly you don't have him.
Speaker 6: I want to root for the preseason. I want to
Speaker 6: root for these joint practices. I want to root for
Speaker 6: the prep for the regular season. But it just feels
Speaker 6: like we've already lost thirty to forty important people that.
Speaker 3: As men, not two men. Right then McLaurin toe injury
Speaker 3: bothers me that might be turf. To they're saying it's
Speaker 3: Tace that.
Speaker 6: Can affect your whole season exactly February that it was
Speaker 6: never himself.
Speaker 3: I've never Maybe Patrick can help me, Maybe you can
Speaker 3: help me, Mark, I've never been able to express this
Speaker 3: take I have that I've felt strongly about for ten years.
Speaker 2: Let it out.
Speaker 3: And it's the it's the people that get really upset
Speaker 3: that someone gets injured in the preseason and what a
Speaker 3: waste that is. And that's namely me terrible, sure, but
Speaker 3: really everyone Okay, But and there's something I think Belichick
Speaker 3: has talked about this a little like, but that same
Speaker 3: level of consternation, like isn't quite there for the like
Speaker 3: forty injuries that come at you on Week one when
Speaker 3: they suddenly have to play fifty or sixty snaps. And
Speaker 3: to me, like, I don't know, I haven't been able
Speaker 3: to express this well, I don't know if playing in
Speaker 3: the preseason helps prevent that or not.
Speaker 1: I'm not even saying that.
Speaker 3: All I'm saying is like their job is to play football,
Speaker 3: and injuries, I guess are gonna happen and you have
Speaker 3: and you're suddenly gonna play fifty sixty snaps like snaps
Speaker 3: are are needed to be played. People are going to
Speaker 3: get hurt. It's annoying, but it's not like much more
Speaker 3: tragic to me. If it happens in the preseason then
Speaker 3: the regular season, it's all bad.
Speaker 1: It's not more bad in August. I feel like, but
Speaker 1: I never can say it, well.
Speaker 2: I think you've said it, well, yeah, you've said it.
Speaker 4: I feel like we do kind of need to know
Speaker 4: whether or not playing football prevents you from being hurt
Speaker 4: playing football.
Speaker 2: In order to feel that way, I just I typically tend.
Speaker 4: To believe that, you know, it's it's done everything for us,
Speaker 4: but in terms of your health, like playing football might
Speaker 4: not be good for you, And so it's hard for
Speaker 4: me to believe that in order to be more healthy
Speaker 4: to play football in the regular.
Speaker 2: Season, guys need to do it in the preseason.
Speaker 3: I feel like there's a that's fine, but there's gonna
Speaker 3: be like forty of these same injuries in the regular season,
Speaker 3: and that's disappointed to know.
Speaker 1: What I find is all that's sort of all.
Speaker 3: My point is, like it's gonna happen, You're gonna have
Speaker 3: to play football, And I hear you, someone's got to
Speaker 3: play these games.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 6: Well, so I think for me it's more of a
Speaker 6: personal thing where we are tasked with spending five to
Speaker 6: six months talking about rosters as if they won't be
Speaker 6: affected by injury, in ranking you know, skill position players,
Speaker 6: ranking quarterbacks, ranking wide receivers, running backs, and then like
Speaker 6: eight minutes into the preseason, most of what we talked
Speaker 6: about is reduced to rubberts.
Speaker 1: It's the same thing week one. We know, whatever, it's
Speaker 1: week one.
Speaker 5: It's like, cool, it happened in a game that mattered,
Speaker 5: That's yeah.
Speaker 4: I just think, all right, Jackson Smith and Jigba had
Speaker 4: so much production at Ohio State.
Speaker 2: He was a first round pick.
Speaker 4: I don't necessarily think that they needed the amount of
Speaker 4: information about jack Smith and Jigba in order to play
Speaker 4: him in the regular season that necessitated him playing in
Speaker 4: the preseason.
Speaker 2: I think that.
Speaker 4: Time could have gone to somebody baby who maybe needs
Speaker 4: more time in order to earn a spot not just
Speaker 4: on the team, but maybe in the league long term. Sure,
Speaker 4: maybe we don't necessarily need to see guys that we
Speaker 4: know are going to play playing in the preseason.
Speaker 3: That's how I that's probably I basically agree with that,
Speaker 3: But there is there is some level where I think
Speaker 3: there's some players that probably it is useful to play.
Speaker 3: Maybe they're not as far along, maybe they're young quarterbacks.
Speaker 3: I don't even know what it is. And the point
Speaker 3: is like one week, one week, week two happens. It's
Speaker 3: like all these injuries are happening. That that that's a
Speaker 3: shame as well. Let's get some developing news here. We're
Speaker 3: throwing in a surprise. We're spending two much.
Speaker 1: Time on Davis. Brocod stand sick. This is a weird one.
Speaker 3: Corey Davis has let the Jets know he's stepping away
Speaker 3: from football.
Speaker 5: I feel like he did that two years ago.
Speaker 3: But ouch, Look, he was locked in to making over
Speaker 3: ten million dollars for this team. He was probably gonna
Speaker 3: be their third or fourth receiver, and it sounds like
Speaker 3: he might be retiring. Corey Davis, so a hit to
Speaker 3: the Jets wide receiver group. Has I know I'm springing
Speaker 3: this on you last second.
Speaker 6: Nope, sixty six catches over two seasons with the Jets.
Speaker 6: I you know, like I think it were. We started
Speaker 6: to see this about five or six years ago, where
Speaker 6: like the concept of retirement has become so much easier
Speaker 6: for players you're making enough money to have generational wealth,
Speaker 6: and uh, there's more information about the long term negative
Speaker 6: effects of playing football, and I think it's a what
Speaker 6: are you going to do next with your career, with
Speaker 6: your life? And these retirements come from younger players at
Speaker 6: a higher rate than ever before.
Speaker 3: And he's notably someone that's that struggled with his health
Speaker 3: and did get a healthy second contract. Solways in a
Speaker 3: position too where he can feel a little more comfortable
Speaker 3: with that. Yeah, reading the Instagram post, now it's clear
Speaker 3: he is planning to retire, saying he's thought about it
Speaker 3: for for a long time.
Speaker 4: I wonder do they does does Joe call the Browns
Speaker 4: back and like, hey, how do y'll feel about a
Speaker 4: loshit more? You want to do? You want to flip
Speaker 4: fluff this back again? I'm just because court Davis was
Speaker 4: going to play.
Speaker 1: I think so.
Speaker 3: I mean my immediately, my immediate thought was was there
Speaker 3: any chance did he have any feeling that he wasn't
Speaker 3: going to make this team? Potentially because they did bring
Speaker 3: in Mkole Hardman, you have Lazard, you have Garrett Wilson.
Speaker 3: It'd be tough to cut Randall Cobb. Well, you can't
Speaker 3: annoy Aaron Rodgers with that. So that's four guys right there,
Speaker 3: and three of them are or two of them are
Speaker 3: on veterans contracts, so I don't know for sure. The
Speaker 3: talk was that they were going to keep him and
Speaker 3: happy trails to Corey Davis had some nice moments there
Speaker 3: with the Titans as a speedster.
Speaker 1: Good luck with what you do next.
Speaker 3: I think it's time to take a little break and
Speaker 3: we're going to get to our exciting segment, which really
Speaker 3: is inspired by the New York Jets quarterback Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 3: some of the beautiful mysteries heading into twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3: All Right, we are back and we're going to talk
Speaker 3: about some of the things going to this season. We've
Speaker 3: kind of talked about everything, Mark, haven't we at this point.
Speaker 6: Today or over the It's just like the last like
Speaker 6: three or four week I feel like we've covered a lot.
Speaker 1: We've hit it up.
Speaker 3: I would say to you too, but you haven't been
Speaker 3: here the whole time, Patrick, I know you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So.
Speaker 3: I now that we're heading into the season, we're going
Speaker 3: to do some big predictions. We have our around the
Speaker 3: AFC NFC shows. Next week we're hoping to lock Patrick
Speaker 3: back into a one week contract, a one week.
Speaker 1: Contract for one of those shows.
Speaker 3: Patrick, I know we're using you this week, but I'm
Speaker 3: hoping to reach out to your agent and get you
Speaker 3: back for that next week and we'll do the predictions.
Speaker 3: So I was thinking, what do we do? What do
Speaker 3: we talk about now? How about the things we don't
Speaker 3: know anything about? Maybe it's the things we haven't talked
Speaker 3: about much on this show. That's sort of how I
Speaker 3: approached it too, But it's also the things that like
Speaker 3: that's just a mystery to me, like going into the season,
Speaker 3: I just don't know how to feel about it. It
Speaker 3: doesn't matter how we've talked about it. It's a beautiful mystery.
Speaker 3: That's what Aaron Rodgers said about his football future. I
Speaker 3: think that was back in April. And I think we
Speaker 3: got to start with Mark because when I think beautiful mystery,
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 5: Oh, thank you man.
Speaker 6: You know how I like came up with like eighty
Speaker 6: two topics here, So I'm gonna just fish for one.
Speaker 5: I think we don't have any.
Speaker 1: Clear go around. I'm playing in like three or three
Speaker 1: times sure, and we can keep it pretty quick.
Speaker 6: I don't have any like clear evidence that Todd Monkin
Speaker 6: is a a plus play caller, or that this Ravens
Speaker 6: offense in general has shown really anything to suggest that
Speaker 6: this post Greg Roman world is exactly what they needed.
Speaker 6: It was wonderful to change from Greg Roman, I think
Speaker 6: on paper, because they're kind of hit an exhaustion point
Speaker 6: with him. That happens with Greg Roman. But you know,
Speaker 6: Lamar Jackson, coming off two disappointing seasons, you.
Speaker 5: Add Odell Beckham.
Speaker 6: I think you've got a much better wide receiver core
Speaker 6: than you've had in the past. I don't know, like
Speaker 6: running the ball the way they did worked for the Ravens.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 6: If you're gonna move to a pass heavy offense or
Speaker 6: so called you know, more balanced offense, cool, it's got
Speaker 6: to work. I just we've seen nothing in the preseason
Speaker 6: that suggests to me that we know it's gonna work.
Speaker 3: No, I don't think they're gonna show that at all.
Speaker 3: And that was a great, beautiful mystery to get us good.
Speaker 3: I think you're right. I heard. Uh it's Collinsworth. Actually
Speaker 3: he was on Mina Kimes's podcast. They listened to that episode,
Speaker 3: and he thought that the Ravens were as maybe variable
Speaker 3: as any team in the league. Like that they it
Speaker 3: could actually go terrible. I don't see that happening. There's
Speaker 3: such a good organization, they're so talented in terms of
Speaker 3: their coach. Really terrible, right, But just like that, he
Speaker 3: had questions about the defense too, that or they could
Speaker 3: win the Super Bowl. He just thought there is a
Speaker 3: huge range of outcomes for this team.
Speaker 1: And I think you're right.
Speaker 3: For a team that doesn't have a new head coach
Speaker 3: or a new quarterback Week one, they are maybe at
Speaker 3: the top of my list of like, I want to
Speaker 3: see what this is gonna because they're not going to
Speaker 3: show it in the preseason.
Speaker 1: We really have no idea.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the reasons for optimism right because they
Speaker 4: had so much success on the defensive side of the ball,
Speaker 4: and they change a coordinator, right, and Hardball's making that decision,
Speaker 4: and I think ultimately they feel.
Speaker 2: Good about him.
Speaker 3: It was a very specific coordinator, Greg Roman, who really
Speaker 3: there wasn't there wasn't like a Greg Roman tree out there,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like that was the only
Speaker 3: Greg Roman offense.
Speaker 1: So it's going to be different.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And so now it's I think the subtraction part
Speaker 4: right where it's no longer Greg Roman there were some
Speaker 4: issues in the passing game with the concept guys were
Speaker 4: in the same place you had pat Ricard running digs,
Speaker 4: and it's like, wait, like this offense needs to grow,
Speaker 4: it needs to change. I don't think having Todd Mankin
Speaker 4: eliminates the capacity for them to run the ball in
Speaker 4: the way that they have.
Speaker 1: It's differently maybe.
Speaker 4: Yeah, But there is that question of in terms of
Speaker 4: calling the plays as a play caller. You're right, it
Speaker 4: is a mystery. But are we going to find out
Speaker 4: how much of a detraction like late stage, Greg Roman
Speaker 4: was right and how much was he holding the offense back.
Speaker 4: I think we will get an answer there, and maybe
Speaker 4: we'll get an answer on Todd Munkin. Or maybe it's
Speaker 4: just you have an exceedingly talented quarterback who got hurt
Speaker 4: in the pocket. Like it wasn't like Lamar was out
Speaker 4: there doing Lamar stuff and he got hurt like he
Speaker 4: got hitting in the knee in the pocket, just like
Speaker 4: anybody can.
Speaker 2: And so like, long term, what is this offense going
Speaker 2: to be?
Speaker 3: And I could take some time too, It could be
Speaker 3: something where after a week five there's some grumbling and
Speaker 3: it catches fire by the end. I think It's a
Speaker 3: good point though, about the running game, just because they
Speaker 3: do have a healthy you know, assuming JK. Dobbins is
Speaker 3: fine and Gus Edwards and Lamar just makes the running
Speaker 3: game that much better and makes it easier on the
Speaker 3: passing game. I'm gonna throw out a beautiful mystery. Let's gious,
Speaker 3: and it's a team I'm trying not to be a
Speaker 3: downer on, but I think I am a little lower
Speaker 3: on consensus. But it's it's more that I just don't know,
Speaker 3: And it's the Jacksonville Jaguars, like, are we sure that
Speaker 3: they're gonna be taking this next step? I always am
Speaker 3: a little wary of teams that finished the year really
Speaker 3: strong and you just assume, Okay, that's how that team
Speaker 3: is now. And I look at their defense and they've
Speaker 3: had a couple of injuries lately, fully fought to Cossi's
Speaker 3: had a cast on his arm, and more importantly, Davon Hamilton,
Speaker 3: who they gave a big contract to one of their
Speaker 3: best defensive linemen, has what sounds like a serious injury
Speaker 3: that is indefinite and might be a non football injury.
Speaker 3: He might end up on a list like I don't
Speaker 3: know what's going on there. I look at their defensive
Speaker 3: roster and they weren't a good defense last year.
Speaker 1: They didn't really add to it. I look at their cornerbacks.
Speaker 3: After their top guy Campbell, and I look at their
Speaker 3: pass rush depth after Josh Allen, look at is Trayvon
Speaker 3: Walker gonna make a jump? And I'm like, is this
Speaker 3: possibly a bottom five defense? And if it is a
Speaker 3: bottom five defense, are I that confident that Jaguars offense
Speaker 3: is good enough to make up for it? I'm gonna
Speaker 3: say it's a mystery to me. It's possible that Trevor
Speaker 3: just continues to ascend and Ridley and they continued to
Speaker 3: as send. But there's big questions on the offensive line,
Speaker 3: and there's really big questions to me on the defense.
Speaker 3: That's a lot of questions going into the season for
Speaker 3: your boy Trevor Lawrence to make up for Patrick.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of questions. But there's even more questions
Speaker 4: elsewhere in the division.
Speaker 3: Sure, but it's possible for everyone to be bad in
Speaker 3: the division, Like they can still be mediocre.
Speaker 4: But the things that have to happen for those other
Speaker 4: teams to leave Fraul with the Jags, I feel like
Speaker 4: are a little more mysterious than like, well, can Josh
Speaker 4: Allen stay healthy? Is is trev going to be as good,
Speaker 4: if not maybe even better than he was a season
Speaker 4: ago they had Tank Bigsby, we get a full season
Speaker 4: of Travis etn hopefully, Like there's just less Jags questions
Speaker 4: for me if I can assuade your concerns.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I disagree, But because they have Trevor then they
Speaker 3: don't have that question.
Speaker 6: So also, it's not like the answer last year was
Speaker 6: a strength and it's become a non strength. It was
Speaker 6: not a strength last year, and so that's baseline. And
Speaker 6: I feel like the Trevor Lawrence factor is like you
Speaker 6: could give you know, a B minus director a great script,
Speaker 6: it will probably still be a good movie. But you
Speaker 6: give a good director a terrible script, good luck with that.
Speaker 6: Like you've got the quarterback. The quarterback is the good
Speaker 6: script like they were.
Speaker 1: I think, like, what if he's the good director, he.
Speaker 6: Could well Doug Peterson did a pretty good job with
Speaker 6: that last year, and I mean he just grew as
Speaker 6: much as any quarterback in the league next to maybe
Speaker 6: justin fields. Like I think, like there's nothing about that
Speaker 6: that felt half baked. It felt completely tangible. And you
Speaker 6: know DVOA wise, like their offense over the final six
Speaker 6: to seven games of the season was terrorizing teams, and
Speaker 6: so I just like that as your court. Now they're
Speaker 6: over under I think was nine point five. To your point,
Speaker 6: crack Up was like tempted in that one episode to
Speaker 6: go under because I don't think you're gonna get the
Speaker 6: last five or six weeks of the regular season last
Speaker 6: year just all over again necessarily. But to Patrick's point,
Speaker 6: the environment is better than if you were stuck in
Speaker 6: the AFC East.
Speaker 1: I hear that.
Speaker 3: I just I think it could be an environment where
Speaker 3: the division standings look similar to last year. I was
Speaker 3: gonna make this a whole AFC South thing, and then
Speaker 3: I decided just to make it Jaguars or it's an
Speaker 3: NFC South from a year ago. And like, if you
Speaker 3: told me that the Jaguars are a little bit of
Speaker 3: a letdown and they actually win the division winning eight
Speaker 3: games or nine games like that, that feels possible to
Speaker 3: me because I just think they're counting on trev to
Speaker 3: do a lot.
Speaker 1: Give me a beautiful mystery, Patrick.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll give you a beautiful mystery.
Speaker 4: It comes out of my mind and trying to change
Speaker 4: the way I feel about something because with players, the constant,
Speaker 4: my constant idea is, well, both of these guys could
Speaker 4: be good.
Speaker 2: I don't afford that leniency to coaches.
Speaker 4: And we saw a change in the offensive coordinator spot
Speaker 4: in Dallas and now Mike McCarthy's calling plays. Kellen Moore
Speaker 4: is over here across the street, and in my mind,
Speaker 4: one of these coaches has to be good and another
Speaker 4: has to be bad. But could the Chargers and Cowboys
Speaker 4: both have top ten offenses. Everybody's good, it was just not.
Speaker 1: Meant to be a win win.
Speaker 2: Is that possible? I think?
Speaker 6: I think absolutely, because first of all, like personnel wise,
Speaker 6: they've got the makings of two top ten offenses. Mike McCarthy,
Speaker 6: we've got a lot of history of him doing very
Speaker 6: well at calling plays. But Kellen Moore also, Kellen Moore
Speaker 6: is not like he didn't get. He got there was
Speaker 6: a bit of a power issue there and things needed
Speaker 6: to change. I think DA's meltdown led to some of
Speaker 6: that too. You know, Kellen Moore to me, has proven
Speaker 6: that he can do it. I like the idea of
Speaker 6: Kellen Moore or anyone with Justin Herbert doing a better
Speaker 6: job than last year's the coordinator in Los Angeles. I
Speaker 6: just think, like I Kellen Moore also and Justin Herbert
Speaker 6: are like legit close friends who have a shared background,
Speaker 6: and like they've talked all along about they want to
Speaker 6: tail really tailor things to make Justin Herbert comfortable in
Speaker 6: the offense that was not happening last year. And so
Speaker 6: I think it's arrow up on both teams.
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore, Yeah, I think both could be better.
Speaker 3: Con I just think the Cowboys are in a better
Speaker 3: situation health wise and depth wise, and just like the
Speaker 3: look of their team, and Kellen Moore, I like what
Speaker 3: I've heard in terms of their running game. A little
Speaker 3: more of a North South running game, A good, even
Speaker 3: an average like first and second down running game would
Speaker 3: really help Herbert. And I don't know what Kellen Moore
Speaker 3: is doing behind the scenes, but I mean, forget brew
Speaker 3: his arians he's the new quarterback whisper. I mean Dak
Speaker 3: was like his best buddy pretty much, and now Justin
Speaker 3: Herbert maybe he's learned just like if you if you're
Speaker 3: friends with these guys, you're gonna have jobs forever.
Speaker 2: Tender yourself to a really good quarterback, good.
Speaker 1: Right, And it wasn't even intentional because he was you know, Dak.
Speaker 3: I was there the day Kellen Moore unfortunately broke his ankle,
Speaker 3: which led to Dak Prescott becoming the number one quarterback
Speaker 3: of the Dallas Cowboys. Let's get another beautiful mystery.
Speaker 2: Mark.
Speaker 6: So we are situated about one hundred feet away from
Speaker 6: Sofi's stadium. We've talked about the Chargers. I think it
Speaker 6: is a true mystery. Is it a beautiful mystery?
Speaker 5: Tbd? But who are the Rams? What on earth are
Speaker 5: they going to look like?
Speaker 6: And I guess I'd be more down on the Rams,
Speaker 6: except Sean McVay seems more delighted and joyful than really
Speaker 6: ever before I know that there was. He's on a
Speaker 6: personal journey to try to maybe have less of his
Speaker 6: darkness spread over the whole team that things start to
Speaker 6: go south. But he seems to be more, I guess
Speaker 6: from a coaching angle, more jazzed up than I can
Speaker 6: recall in a long time. But then you look at
Speaker 6: the Rams roster and like talking of the Chargers running game,
Speaker 6: they destroyed Los Angeles on the ground a couple of
Speaker 6: weeks ago, and the Rams, to me seem very sort
Speaker 6: of beyond Aaron Donald floating on that entire side of
Speaker 6: the ball. Then you've got Matthew Stafford and Cooper Cup
Speaker 6: on an offense. It's pretty shaky too. And it's like,
Speaker 6: do the Rams get eight or nine weeks into the
Speaker 6: season and say we can shop some of these parts
Speaker 6: if we want to truly get into a deeper rebuild
Speaker 6: or is this the beginning of the beginning of the rebuild?
Speaker 6: And like these young guys on defense gel and look
Speaker 6: more surprising than we expected. I just have no concept
Speaker 6: of what the Rams could be. I think they probably
Speaker 6: five or six wins. But does Sean McVay have a.
Speaker 5: Trick up asleep?
Speaker 3: I'm with you on him being in a better mood.
Speaker 3: There was this clip of him going around calling the
Speaker 3: Rams game, because I think in this he gives up
Speaker 3: play calling and he joins this. The broadcast right was
Speaker 3: Andrew Worth, Andrews Siliano, our buddy Andrew, and he calls
Speaker 3: the pick six that the Rams had in the second quarter,
Speaker 3: and I got to say, Amazon offered I think McVeigh
Speaker 3: all that money supposedly if we could get McVeigh to
Speaker 3: announce Rams games as they're happening. We're really onto something
Speaker 3: I would pay. I think they should pay a lot
Speaker 3: of money, and I think that would be a fun
Speaker 3: way to connect fans to the game.
Speaker 4: He also dropped an an S bomb on that on
Speaker 4: that pall yeah during because I was watching the broadcast
Speaker 4: as it happened, and I think he knows you're not
Speaker 4: supposed to.
Speaker 2: But he also knows that as fans, we like we
Speaker 2: like hearing that.
Speaker 4: Sure, it gives us a little like, oh, you know
Speaker 4: this guy, this guy's being real, this guy's being alternate,
Speaker 4: and I think he knows in that part of it
Speaker 4: is fun. It's I'm glad to see Sean having fun
Speaker 4: and not being like remote, like morose, like yeah, this
Speaker 4: this may be my last game. Everything is bad, So
Speaker 4: I like that. But also it is a complete mystery.
Speaker 4: I wish I could help you, Mark, but.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think an none of them helps. I
Speaker 5: think we just don't know.
Speaker 1: Defensively, it's insane.
Speaker 3: But then there's this idea, oh, the offense will be fine,
Speaker 3: and like maybe, but we haven't seen Stafford a while.
Speaker 1: Their number two receiver is Van Jefferson, and.
Speaker 5: How did they upgrade the offensive line?
Speaker 3: I think it is better. They took a Villa in
Speaker 3: the second round. They made him an immediate starter. No,
Speaker 3: Boom's healthy now and he's a guard. The other guys
Speaker 3: have been there. Allen's healthy, they're healthier. I think they
Speaker 3: have three guys back.
Speaker 5: Well, that was a that was a disaster a year ago.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 4: They've been they've been happy about to two at well,
Speaker 4: starting to show some problems.
Speaker 1: That's yeah, that's a beautiful mystery. We'll see.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give a beautiful mystery. That's a little more
Speaker 3: like league wide. Okay, it's a little more taking a
Speaker 3: bird's eye view. Birds I view and the Rams are
Speaker 3: a little related to this because I think they helped
Speaker 3: start the trend of these vic Fangio acolytes spreading around
Speaker 3: the league.
Speaker 1: Brandon Staley was one. We see him everywhere.
Speaker 3: Sorry, everyone playing this too high shell and playing essentially
Speaker 3: to prevent the big play. That the whole point of
Speaker 3: defense right now is to prevent the big play. And
Speaker 3: it's begging you to run, and we want you to run.
Speaker 3: And we've seen over the last year some teams go
Speaker 3: too far in that direction, like the Chargers giving up
Speaker 3: five and a half yards per carry and they just
Speaker 3: they can't stop a nosebleed, and it's a problem. And
Speaker 3: I do look at the league as a whole, and
Speaker 3: there's a lot of these coordinators out there and just wonder.
Speaker 1: It's a cyclical league. No one system ever stays effective
Speaker 1: for long. You think of the Tony Dungee Tampa too,
Speaker 1: remember when that really spread out and then there was
Speaker 1: kind of a tipping point where it was like everyone's
Speaker 1: just hitting eight yard passes all over the Tampa two.
Speaker 1: I think in this case, it's some teams running the
Speaker 1: ball a little more, whether it's with wide receivers who
Speaker 1: can block well, or whether it's with two tight ends,
Speaker 1: and whether that shift is really going to start happy.
Speaker 1: I think we saw a little bit of it last year.
Speaker 3: You certainly see the Eagles making it hard on some
Speaker 3: of those defense But just as a league, a beautiful mystery.
Speaker 3: If we're gonna just see a little more the run
Speaker 3: game punishing these light boxes and the real man football comes.
Speaker 1: Back, I think it could happen.
Speaker 3: I think that's what Belatzik was trying to do back
Speaker 3: in twenty one with Cam Newton already, and I think
Speaker 3: there's going to be a little more that the Patriots
Speaker 3: will be one of those teams this year.
Speaker 1: But it's a mystery.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we see the cyclical nature of things all the time.
Speaker 4: It's just a question of when it happens.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: I was referencing Don Martindale going to the Giants. He
Speaker 4: still brings the heat, right, And I think maybe it
Speaker 4: got to the point where Harbald saw the rest of
Speaker 4: the league and says, hey, maybe we need to incorporate
Speaker 4: these things. I also think it's probably a little cheaper
Speaker 4: financially to design the defense that approaches things that way
Speaker 4: than the attacking defense, because you have to pay corners,
Speaker 4: you have to sure at drushers, and so maybe that
Speaker 4: but at some point somebody is going to flip the
Speaker 4: script and do something the rest of the lea not
Speaker 4: ready for. It's just who who takes that risk.
Speaker 3: And I think it's just offensively making. Defenses have to
Speaker 3: come up with answers when you have big personnel in there,
Speaker 3: and it doesn't always have to be two tight ends
Speaker 3: or anything or a fullback. It could be Robert Woods
Speaker 3: and Cooper Cup who can just block on your outside
Speaker 3: and you teach like the I think the Dolphins are
Speaker 3: going to be a really good running team, and they've
Speaker 3: got two lightweight ride receivers out there, but they also
Speaker 3: have just geometry problems they create with those wide receivers,
Speaker 3: and they're going to play a lot of two tight
Speaker 3: ends that don't catch a lot of passes. I think
Speaker 3: the Patriots, I think the Lions, I think the Packers,
Speaker 3: I think the Browns. I think there's a lot of
Speaker 3: teams out there that could just start punishing these looks.
Speaker 3: And you saw the number the numbers for rushing last
Speaker 3: year were up. It was more effective last year to
Speaker 3: run the ball that has been for many.
Speaker 5: I could totally see that.
Speaker 6: I mean, I think also we're in a time where,
Speaker 6: you know, I think of the play caller series that
Speaker 6: Jordan Rodrige did, where right your head coaches now are
Speaker 6: vastly offensive minded like that that was not the case
Speaker 6: a long time ago. And I think that the environment
Speaker 6: of your entire organization is innovative and we're gonna do
Speaker 6: things differently and zig when other teams act. But I
Speaker 6: also look at like what the Ravens did with you know,
Speaker 6: at the outset of Lamar's starting rain and under Harbor
Speaker 6: that where that was I thought incredibly inventive. And open
Speaker 6: minded to just become a nineteen seventies team that hammers
Speaker 6: people on the ground. But you didn't get twenty two
Speaker 6: teams to copy them. Now, like I think in general,
Speaker 6: like it's still a quarterbacks league. It's still gonna be
Speaker 6: you're in too many situations where the passing game is
Speaker 6: too effective and needed in certain situations. So sure, I
Speaker 6: don't know if you're gonna get eighteen or nineteen teams
Speaker 6: that suddenly turn us back two or three decades.
Speaker 3: No, but if the teams that are doing it, Atlanta
Speaker 3: being maybe foremost among them, maybe it's bald to like
Speaker 3: if the teams that Philadelphia certainly like, if the teams
Speaker 3: that are doing it start to be more and more effective.
Speaker 3: I think the Patriots are gonna try. I don't know
Speaker 3: how effective it'll be, but I think they'll try.
Speaker 6: Maybe they gets to try not being completely boring to
Speaker 6: the eye on offense.
Speaker 5: How about that.
Speaker 4: Maybe the thing that does finally go about the wayside
Speaker 4: this season is like the early era Brandon Staley Chargers
Speaker 4: mindset where it's, hey, you know, it's really hard to
Speaker 4: run the ball four and a half yards, Yeah, every
Speaker 4: single every single play, And then teams came out there
Speaker 4: and did that, and then like he's still saying that,
Speaker 4: maybe maybe we make some changes to get rid.
Speaker 2: Of that mindset.
Speaker 3: Right, you gotta have guys up front that are if
Speaker 3: you're only going to have six guys in there, you
Speaker 3: better have some great run blockers among those six guys. Uh,
Speaker 3: let's go Patrick, and then let's let's wrap with a
Speaker 3: speed round. Let's get a third round. But we'll do
Speaker 3: it quicker.
Speaker 2: Okay, somebody's gonna go worse the first.
Speaker 4: We know that. And it's a mystery right now. If
Speaker 4: I'm just riding the high of the greatest preseason football
Speaker 4: game of all time, is that team to watch?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: This was gonna be mine. That's good. I'm glad you
Speaker 1: took it. We can just have this convo.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: They are a beautiful mystery. There is something about that game.
Speaker 3: And I started thinking the team of atl and I
Speaker 3: was like, Wow, how transgressive it be after years of
Speaker 3: I at least said that.
Speaker 1: I you know, I don't hate.
Speaker 3: Any team except for one that there was one team
Speaker 3: out there, But the source of that hatred is with
Speaker 3: the ownership.
Speaker 1: It's gone.
Speaker 3: I'm like the Commandos fans out there that feel like reborn.
Speaker 1: And then I got Sam Howell slinging.
Speaker 3: I gotta admit I kind of like Sam how Maybe
Speaker 3: Eric b Enemy actually runs a really fun offense.
Speaker 1: He's shown some fun stuff so far.
Speaker 3: Like you've got a nice uh coach, you like, you've
Speaker 3: got a defensive line that you like.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of feeling the command.
Speaker 5: First that is aggressive. The Eagles won six more games
Speaker 5: than them a year ago.
Speaker 2: More and more.
Speaker 6: The Giants also went to the playoffs, So you're you're
Speaker 6: gonna need a lot of calamity to occur to those
Speaker 6: other three teams.
Speaker 3: Another team I think that would like to run the
Speaker 3: ball quite a bit and play defensive and h Washington
Speaker 3: power football Washington. Yes, I just think them as a
Speaker 3: fun entity is such a value add potentially it is.
Speaker 6: My mystery would be more like, wait a minute, Sam Howell,
Speaker 6: who we've kind of giggling at the concept of them
Speaker 6: not really going out and getting a bide. Well, no,
Speaker 6: but just in general, Washington under Ron Rivera's like we're
Speaker 6: just gonna get by a quarterback where the rest of
Speaker 6: the league seeks, uh, you know, a franchise starter. Sam
Speaker 6: Howell looks really spicy. They've been saying all along, they
Speaker 6: believe in him. You know, I thought this one game
Speaker 6: sample size from a year ago wasn't enough to completely
Speaker 6: convince me. But even just a couple of days ago
Speaker 6: against the Ravens, I'm like, sure, I watched Sam Howell.
Speaker 6: It's like the kind of quarterback I like watching. So
Speaker 6: if he's watchable and he's productive, they're already there. Already
Speaker 6: were a lot of parts on both sides of the
Speaker 6: ball in Washington. So eight eight and one a year ago,
Speaker 6: they can be better than that. They could win ten
Speaker 6: eleven games in a best case scenario.
Speaker 3: He is a better version or a rich man's Baker,
Speaker 3: which is to your point, you're kind of quarterbacks some big.
Speaker 2: Let's not let's not drown the hope already.
Speaker 3: No, I just think a better version, Like if it's
Speaker 3: got to be a better runner. Obviously he's in a
Speaker 3: more physical guy, but I think he's got some bakerish tendencies.
Speaker 3: But like, if you could be a Baker that processes
Speaker 3: it makes better decisions, I think you would have something talented.
Speaker 3: All right, let's do let's do a speed round and
Speaker 3: get out of here.
Speaker 5: Okay, you want me to go?
Speaker 2: Sure?
Speaker 6: All right, I wrote this down, but I kind of
Speaker 6: think I already know the answer. Are the Raiders a
Speaker 6: disaster or maybe good? I think they're a mess. But
Speaker 6: my second question to that is we where the preseason
Speaker 6: that the off season has been so long? Because you
Speaker 6: had that famous rant they used that on GMFB. Well,
Speaker 6: I went through all these other AFC teams. It's like,
Speaker 6: are the Raiders better than any of these? And it's
Speaker 6: like ten AFC teams? It's like not really. But then
Speaker 6: I do wonder, if you know, Josh McDaniels worked forever
Speaker 6: with Tom Brady. Tom Brady had a very fascinating origin story.
Speaker 6: What if we're on the verge of an Aiden O'Connell revolution,
Speaker 6: where we get it Jimmy G. I think people are
Speaker 6: two down on Jimmy G. But what if Aidan O'Connell
Speaker 6: can actually play was a fascinating college player, and like
Speaker 6: we're six or seven weeks away from a Jimmy injury
Speaker 6: where Aidan O'Connell comes in and makes the Raiders a
Speaker 6: totally enjoyable product.
Speaker 3: This is the off season so long that now I
Speaker 3: start going against the takes I had because we've sat
Speaker 3: with him too long.
Speaker 1: I'm with you.
Speaker 3: I'm sort of now like, oh, maybe the Raiders will
Speaker 3: be in And I've gotten the other way with the Dolphins,
Speaker 3: which was gonna be my last beautiful mystery, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: skip that to it.
Speaker 1: It's like I was so.
Speaker 3: High on them at the beginning of the off season.
Speaker 3: Now I'm like, maybe that actually that they won't be
Speaker 3: that good. Let's I'm going to finish my beautiful mystery
Speaker 3: with a player, Justin Fields, who is a to me,
Speaker 3: a beautiful mystery because he's one of the greatest running
Speaker 3: quarterbacks of all time in terms of his running ability.
Speaker 3: We that was a surprise that he was that good
Speaker 3: as a runner. He's sort of been a little opposite
Speaker 3: of his profile coming out of school, like, yes, his
Speaker 3: d backer is he's supposed to be great. We just
Speaker 3: haven't had a chance to see a lot of it.
Speaker 3: I don't know what to think about Justin Fields. I
Speaker 3: think the ceiling is so high. I think the floor
Speaker 3: is a little lower than I would like. I'm looking
Speaker 3: forward to watching him play, but that offense, to me,
Speaker 3: is a beautiful mystery, and I'm not I'm not confident
Speaker 3: going into the season that he's gonna be great. But
Speaker 3: if you told me he had a Jalen Hurts type
Speaker 3: of year where he's in the MVP, Like.
Speaker 1: That wouldn't shock me either.
Speaker 3: So to me, Fields is just a mystery, especially what
Speaker 3: they do in terms of the passing game, how they
Speaker 3: do the running game this year.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what we're gonna get.
Speaker 2: I'm confident you are.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think he doesn't have Jalen Hurts type pieces around.
Speaker 4: But like when you go from Equanimita Saint Brown being
Speaker 4: your best option at Resus, yeah, J Moore, like I
Speaker 4: have to.
Speaker 3: You're probably right. It's it's partly the Gatsy thing. It's
Speaker 3: partly the I haven't felt overly confident with the tape
Speaker 3: piece put out there. Passing the ball not as good
Speaker 3: as there.
Speaker 6: Hasn't been like great glowing reporting around Fields over the
Speaker 6: past month plus. It's been a sort of a strange
Speaker 6: preseason for him.
Speaker 1: It always but it's all there for him to know
Speaker 1: it is right.
Speaker 6: It always concerns me though, when like ninety eight percent
Speaker 6: of the people just assume he's gonna be Jalen Hurt's
Speaker 6: growth process, Like we don't know that, Like just because
Speaker 6: there's someone that we saw do that doesn't mean that
Speaker 6: he can't accept at least half of his game. I
Speaker 6: thought he got better as a passer, first of all,
Speaker 6: if he really did, I think that's a little bit
Speaker 6: slept on. Like doing QB Index, there was no quarterback
Speaker 6: that people would reply on X and my mentions and say, like,
Speaker 6: this guy actually stinks. You keep rising him up the
Speaker 6: rankings and like, no, he's devastating people with his legs,
Speaker 6: And can he grow as a passer? Like shouldn't most
Speaker 6: quarterbacks be growing as a passer from year two, three four?
Speaker 4: And also he was making those scrambled decisions on passing plays,
Speaker 4: so like that's a part of the passing game.
Speaker 3: So I think it's yes to include that he is
Speaker 3: as Mike Vic like on just like a scramble. And
Speaker 3: I know his different body types can run over a
Speaker 3: guy like Vic caun't, but as Mike Vic like on
Speaker 3: just a scramble when he decides to do it, as
Speaker 3: anyone since Lamar's at that level or better, but he's
Speaker 3: just a different sort of player.
Speaker 4: Yeah, My beautiful mystery is a former mystery which was
Speaker 4: not a mystery at all before it's Michael Thomas. I
Speaker 4: think the Saints can win a whole lot of games,
Speaker 4: am am, I out of my mind to think Michael
Speaker 4: Thomas could have one hundred receptions in twenty twenty three
Speaker 4: and if.
Speaker 3: He stayed healthy, that's the that's the mystery.
Speaker 5: Sure, I don't think you're out of your mind.
Speaker 2: I think it's forty.
Speaker 5: He's done it. Well you did you do that at
Speaker 5: that moment, but he's done it.
Speaker 6: But it's like I can't think of too many like
Speaker 6: Hall of Fame type careers that went completely south because
Speaker 6: of health, and it's like where is his body?
Speaker 3: It also might be tough just because I think Olave
Speaker 3: is the one there. He's so good and Juwan Johnson's
Speaker 3: gonna get his share. But if you if you told
Speaker 3: me Michael Thomas plays seventeen games, I would I don't
Speaker 3: think it over under at like eighty is wild at all.
Speaker 1: And that's that's that's in the ballpark.
Speaker 2: Caught a lot of balls.
Speaker 1: That that's fair. That is it. We've we've hit the
Speaker 1: beautiful mysteries. Thank you, Eric, I am class the.
Speaker 2: Chimes was that a was that a tuning fork on
Speaker 2: one of them? I didn't know what that tone was.
Speaker 2: It was like, I have no idea that it's a
Speaker 2: beautiful mystery.
Speaker 3: It is a beautiful mystery. No mystery. What Thursday show
Speaker 3: is gonna be? It's an annual favorite of the around
Speaker 3: the NFL listeners. It's the hot butt rankings Andy heading
Speaker 3: into this season and Dan will be back for that.
Speaker 3: You know, he's not missing the hot butt ranking.
Speaker 6: You can't miss the Ravens streak ending and hot butt
Speaker 6: would be we'd be concerned about now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well he would need to like file a missing person.
Speaker 5: Yes, that would be a mystery.
Speaker 3: So we will be back on Thursday with those hot
Speaker 3: butt red kids for for Mark Sessler, Patrick Claibone, I'm
Speaker 3: just gonna go ahead.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say goodbye right now. He the call