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Speaker 2: Whis for this stuff?

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Speaker 1: Bro? That's right. Welcome to another edition the Around the

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Speaker 3: I'm Greg Rosenthal sitting in I'm for day hans is

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Speaker 3: today moving back on Thursday alongside a couple of heroes

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Speaker 3: in the Chris Westling podcast studio.

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Speaker 1: It's Mark Sessler and Patrick clay Vaughn.

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Speaker 4: What's up, guys. There's a lot of important people here today. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: and there was a crew of them. I say that

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Speaker 4: whenever people are in suits and I walk past a

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Speaker 4: bunch of people in suits and somebody was telling them like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: Mark Sessler and Greg Rosenthal and Dan Hansens do a podcast.

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Speaker 1: Wait really, yeah?

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Speaker 5: Is this true? I liked the order.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that was the order. It may have been because

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Speaker 4: they walked by and that was the order.

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Speaker 3: Now he wasn't there because there were people in suits

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Speaker 3: that had no idea who they were pointing at me

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Speaker 3: while I was sitting here eating an apple by myself

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Speaker 3: in the stud But you.

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Speaker 6: Know where we sit in the newsroom, I'm constantly I

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Speaker 6: had the most fishbowl seat possible because they bring those

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Speaker 6: tours by its school kids or its executives or fill

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Speaker 6: two cups of coffee, like I look like a disaster,

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Speaker 6: and there's just staring at you, like be hyping mornings.

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Speaker 1: I missed that. I can't wait for whatever dignitaries.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I believe Troy Vincent who works in the league office,

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Speaker 3: but many other league office figures around the studio. Mark

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Speaker 3: Sanchez was just in this studio. But as much as

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Speaker 3: I want to, like, I see how you're doing, Patrick's

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Speaker 3: It's nice to see you. It's been a little uh

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Speaker 3: bit And Mark, yes.

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Speaker 5: You are concerned about how I'm doing. I'm sure.

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Speaker 3: It's just like we can't wait any longer. One of

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Speaker 3: the biggest stories that we've covered around the NFL have

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Speaker 3: this week.

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Speaker 1: Let let's just drop that news drop right now.

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Speaker 2: Eric.

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Speaker 3: That was Ron Rivera in the winning locker room Commanders

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Speaker 3: take down the Ravens on Monday night, football crowd going crazy,

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Speaker 3: Joe Buck, Troy Aikman.

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Speaker 1: It felt big because it was big.

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Speaker 3: John johan Dotson said after the game, I felt like

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Speaker 3: we just had the biggest preseason w in history.

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Speaker 5: He's not wrong, He's not wrong.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I would say because if you talk about

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Speaker 6: when they were branded as the Commanders. Okay, I'm saying

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Speaker 6: even post Washington football team like that is the This

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Speaker 6: was the biggest moment in Commander's history. What was bigger?

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Speaker 6: What was bigger like some hollow victory in Week four

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Speaker 6: a year ago.

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Speaker 4: Before that, Before this, it was the opening press conference

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Speaker 4: for Josh Harris and Magic Johnson.

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Speaker 2: Fair and there's fanfare.

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Speaker 4: But this was actual football and people were poop pooing it.

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Speaker 4: The celebration. We heard Ron in the locker room. They

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Speaker 4: ran the end of the game celebration and they everybody's

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Speaker 4: on the field, like let the let the dudes have fun,

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Speaker 4: like a lot of those dudes may not ever play

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Speaker 6: And Greg Troy called it, he said, this is the

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Speaker 6: greatest preseason game I've ever been a part of.

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Speaker 3: It actually was great from the first half where Josh

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Speaker 3: field and it looked like football because we had a

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Speaker 1: On the game winning field goal was just incredible. The

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Speaker 1: crowd is on their feet. There, that's Troy.

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Speaker 2: This good stuff. All right, here we.

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Speaker 1: Go, Troy.

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Speaker 3: I feel I had a little tongue in cheek for

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Speaker 4: It's still good for them to pretends the crowds a

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Speaker 7: Seconds left, the Commanders are on top by one.

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Speaker 3: Great job, great job by Joe of course, but also

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Speaker 1: And that crowd was loud. I'm not shocked.

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Speaker 3: The Raiders crowd, I got to admit, was very loud,

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Speaker 3: I can only imagine what's happening. I'm sad that Dan's

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Speaker 3: not here for this. Of course, he did the Hard

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Speaker 3: Knocks podcast on Tuesday. Everyone should check that out. But

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Speaker 6: Well and Dan, you know, Dan, I I became very

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Speaker 1: Yeah, put a pin in that we'll have to revisit it.

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Speaker 7: And did go live on Instagram during the final like

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Speaker 7: Dan was in his front room watching this game on

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Speaker 7: Just he got he got a little hyped when it,

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Speaker 2: It may have been ultimately dance fault.

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Speaker 3: It was, and look, emotions were running high. You may

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Speaker 3: By the way, Sam Howell showed to me why he's

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Speaker 1: He's looking for big plays.

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Speaker 3: He's not afraid to run the ball either, and he

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Speaker 1: He's day to day.

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Speaker 3: That's a little concerning turf tow injury. But there were

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Speaker 3: high emotions on Washington side. There were high emotions on

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Speaker 3: Baltimore side as well. John Harbaugh was clearly not happy

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Speaker 3: after this game.

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Speaker 8: Preseason games that people want to write about, some of

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Speaker 8: you in here want to write about and say they

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Speaker 8: don't mean anything because you never played the game. You

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Speaker 8: never were out there in a preseason game, you never

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Speaker 8: were fighting for a spot on the team, And yet

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Speaker 8: you have the audacity to say that the effort that

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Speaker 8: a game like that is meaningless. Tell me I was

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Speaker 8: meaningless out there. What you just saw if you like football?

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Speaker 8: Is that a meaningless football game? You know, I can't

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Speaker 2: That's gotta be tough for the guy that wrote that.

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Speaker 6: I mean, he went there with that you never played scenario,

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Speaker 3: I mean, uh, I'm kind of with him, but you

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Speaker 6: So I don't know Baltimore like they only played a

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Speaker 6: maybe we just load that defense with all our starters

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Speaker 6: and we put we keep everyone in here.

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Speaker 5: Like, I hate that the streak has been snapped.

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Speaker 2: The second to last year. I was wondering, like, we're

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Speaker 3: Right, They actually haven't played It's a misnomer. They haven't

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Speaker 3: of take a pretty normal approach in terms of who's in,

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Speaker 3: who's out. But rest in peace Raven's preseason streak. My

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Speaker 3: it was Malcolm alive for.

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Speaker 4: A welcome did not exist. He would not exist for

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Speaker 4: two more years. And like he's running around like going

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Speaker 6: Like my children were alive, but they were not. They

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Speaker 4: The story September third, twenty fifteen game against the Falcons,

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Speaker 4: that's where that's where this all began.

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Speaker 3: Tiny nugget I wanted to throw in just from that

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Speaker 5: You've been on the speed.

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Speaker 3: And I because if you in Harbaugh's been the one

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Speaker 3: all camp, he's made it clear that for whatever reason,

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Speaker 3: this backup competition is wide open. We really like Josh Johnson.

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Speaker 3: Tyler Huntley has to go earn this spot. He's not

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Speaker 3: They looked into Baker Mayfield, they looked into Jacobe Brissett,

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Speaker 3: who said point blank that the offensive coordinator now Todd Monkin,

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Speaker 3: really loves Josh Johnson. I think prefers Josh Johnson and

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Speaker 3: want another team. Come on, give up, give up a

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Speaker 3: six to seventh round pick swap or a fifth round

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Speaker 1: He's a good backup.

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Speaker 6: I mean, you can't have your backup making the Pro

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Speaker 1: Is that what happened? Yeah? I guess well, I mean

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Speaker 5: Mar Jackson didn't make it. I'm just saying last year

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Speaker 4: Quarterback Tyler Huntley, I'm okay with it because Josh Johnson

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Speaker 1: That's pretty This has been.

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Speaker 4: Something that we've been and we saw he played well

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Speaker 4: I would like to see Josh Johnson finally be able

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Speaker 1: He's generally look good in the regular scene. So we'll see.

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Speaker 3: I think a lot of teams could use some backup quarterbacks.

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Speaker 3: One team that won't, though, is the San Francisco forty

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Speaker 3: nine Ers. As they're going to tape, the news broke

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Speaker 3: with San Francisco. I feel like there's more important news here,

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Speaker 3: but this is the freshest and it's pretty spicy when

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Speaker 3: you think about Trey Lance going into the season as

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Speaker 3: a number three quarterback or will he our rap sheet

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Speaker 3: I rapport and Tom Pelisero saying that the forty nine

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Speaker 1: Which would mean a potential trade.

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Speaker 6: We're gonna get into our segment later, which is you know,

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Speaker 6: outstanding still unresolved, big mysteries of the season.

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Speaker 5: If that's the title, Greg, is it close to beautiful?

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Speaker 1: Beautiful mysteries?

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Speaker 3: If Dan was here, he would have laid that out

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Speaker 3: right off the top, But I just was overwhelmed by I.

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Speaker 6: Think it's good you created a mystery for the audience.

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Speaker 6: They didn't know what would come after the news. Now

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Speaker 6: they know. The first thing I had was the fate

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Speaker 6: of Trey Lance, because he's just felt very tradable. He's

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Speaker 6: felt it just has felt like Kyle Shanahan verbally and

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Speaker 6: Sam Darnold. I felt like this was in the mail

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the good news, at least for Jonathan,

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Speaker 6: You know, what's weird is the team that needs a

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Speaker 6: It'll be a talking point now, but I guess you

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Speaker 3: He's a strong willed individual, he's a smart guy, and

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he just watched Josh Jacobs lead the NFL in

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Speaker 4: If what you're telling me right now in August twenty

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Speaker 3: We don't have to spend too much time on this,

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Speaker 3: Todd Bowles finally announced that you were once a Baker

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he he wore me down a little bit, and

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Speaker 6: better than Kyle Trask. I think in general, this announcement

442
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Speaker 6: probably was triggered by our own show because Dan went

443
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Speaker 6: on another rant about the fact that this had you

444
00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:44,479
Speaker 6: know that Todd Bowles was just like hedging around this

445
00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:48,879
Speaker 6: absurdly obvious decision. Now we know it's one of the

446
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Speaker 6: least exciting quarterback battles I can remember ever in my

447
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Speaker 6: entire life.

448
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Speaker 3: Wait, I want to get your thoughts before we hear

449
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Speaker 3: from Patrick Mark on the Bucks social media photo Time

450
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Speaker 3: to Bake. I don't know if you saw this it's

451
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Speaker 3: actually the pinned tweet on Buccaneers Twitter account right now.

452
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Speaker 3: I was like, is this a weed reference? Because it's

453
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Speaker 3: getting kind of wild here. Time to bake.

454
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Speaker 5: I mean, that's what you make to you, it is

455
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Speaker 5: what are your thoughts?

456
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Speaker 6: I think in general, I don't want to sound you know,

457
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Speaker 6: kin tankeris, but these these social media outfits need to absolutely,

458
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Speaker 6: you know, settle down a little bit.

459
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Speaker 5: I don't hate that graph.

460
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Speaker 1: I think it looks. I think it's fun.

461
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Speaker 3: It's a cool graphic, and uh, there's not a lot

462
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Speaker 3: of pop to the bucks right now. Let's have some

463
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Speaker 3: fun with the quarterback announcement.

464
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Speaker 4: I think we will be seeing this graphic again on

465
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Speaker 4: our timelines if things don't necessarily go great for the Buccaneers.

466
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Speaker 4: But I'm glad that we'll have another one of the

467
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Speaker 4: another edition of the Baker Mayfield cycle, and he's gonna

468
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Speaker 4: come out, he's going to address his doubters, and then

469
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Speaker 4: there's going to be some conversation and then you know,

470
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Speaker 4: there'll be reason to doubt, and then this thing will

471
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Speaker 4: happen again.

472
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Speaker 3: You're you're reminding me of the QB one Nathan Peterman

473
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Speaker 3: that the Bills released.

474
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Speaker 2: Once one of the greatest tweets of all time that.

475
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Speaker 1: Got reused quite a bit.

476
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Speaker 3: I am Dalton had one of those. I'm hoping, Yeah,

477
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Speaker 3: that's right. Dalton had a good one. Was that with

478
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Speaker 3: the Bears?

479
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Speaker 5: Yes?

480
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Speaker 1: I think that was with the Bears.

481
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Speaker 5: It was like, why did you even tweet that?

482
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Speaker 1: Hard to keep track of the teams? He was on,

483
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Speaker 1: why did you x that?

484
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Speaker 3: I am hoping for a Baker resurgence because number one,

485
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Speaker 3: I want Mike Evans and Chris Godwin to do well

486
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:28,720
Speaker 3: and I just want them to be watchable. And this

487
00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,560
Speaker 3: story that PFT has been writing about that's in the

488
00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:36,960
Speaker 3: in the legal system right now, how he's suing for

489
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Speaker 3: essentially millions of dollars, maybe over tens of millions of

490
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Speaker 3: dollars of his investments. That sounds like money started going

491
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Speaker 3: missing and it's family members who are involved in this

492
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Speaker 3: investment group where over ten million dollars is gone missing.

493
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Speaker 1: And he spoke about it. He was kind of emotionable.

494
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Speaker 3: This has been going on for a long time now

495
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Speaker 3: is going public and makes you feel for him because

496
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Speaker 3: that that is a difficult thing to go through.

497
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Speaker 1: For anyone, especially with your family.

498
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Speaker 3: Chris Jones is a reply guy this week, Patrick, the

499
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:16,440
Speaker 3: Chiefs defensive tackle, makes some news by just replying deep

500
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Speaker 3: into his mentions to just some random fan when they're like, well,

501
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Speaker 3: when is it?

502
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Speaker 1: When is he going to show up?

503
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Speaker 3: Like this guy's got to show up blah blah blah

504
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Speaker 3: blah blah. Money he's not he needs to show up soon,

505
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Speaker 3: And Chris Jones just replies week eight. That's when it

506
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Speaker 3: was actually like, oh, that's actually kind of news. He's like,

507
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Speaker 3: that's what I'm going to show up. And he had

508
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Speaker 3: another response in the same thread where he where they're like,

509
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Speaker 3: he's got to show up soon.

510
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Speaker 1: He's losing millions of dollars and he.

511
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Speaker 6: Said they do they like on Rotor World, do they

512
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Speaker 6: credit not that the fan? The fan asked the question,

513
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Speaker 6: So he's sort of reporter asking a question, do they

514
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Speaker 6: credit the fan?

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Speaker 3: I think they credit Chris because Chris was the one

516
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Speaker 3: that made made the news.

517
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Speaker 2: Jack Smith twenty nineteen.

518
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Speaker 1: Chris said he had.

519
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Speaker 3: Plenty of money, and I don't I don't doubt him.

520
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Speaker 3: He is going for his third contract, not his second

521
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 3: one here, so he's banked some money.

522
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Speaker 1: You buy it.

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Speaker 3: It's a little This one has more he and maybe

524
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,880
Speaker 3: not animosity but more doubt to it than any other

525
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,960
Speaker 3: holdout right now, not Nick Bosa, not Christian Wilkins.

526
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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's expressed a willingness and said that he's got

527
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,679
Speaker 4: plenty of money. Patrick Mahomes was at the mic, and

528
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Speaker 4: of course, you know, Mahomes gets these questions and he said,

529
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Speaker 4: you know, he supports Chris. He's gonna stay away from it,

530
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Speaker 4: but you know, you support people trying to to earn

531
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Speaker 4: fair compensation. And so I think, like reading the tea lead,

532
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Speaker 4: maybe there's a little bit of budget from veaching company.

533
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Speaker 4: I don't know, it doesn't there's no reason if Chris Jones,

534
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Speaker 4: let's say he wants to come back week three, why

535
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Speaker 4: not let him think about week eight, you know, just

536
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Speaker 4: throw that out there.

537
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Speaker 2: It's all a negotiation.

538
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Speaker 6: Yeah, he's watching, you know, Dexter, Lawrence Deron Payne, Jeffrey Simmons,

539
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 6: Quinn Williams all get paid. And he is as important

540
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Speaker 6: as anyone on the team to that defense.

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Speaker 5: And I do buy it.

542
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Speaker 6: I think he you know, you get to a point

543
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Speaker 6: where you could he's willing to pay the fines, willing

544
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Speaker 6: to you know, let certain money go because he believes

545
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Speaker 6: in himself. And I think if you're the Chiefs, it's

546
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 6: like you're in this really special, unique place where you

547
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 6: could win multiple super Bowls like pay him.

548
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Speaker 1: Yeah, his words, where I can afford it.

549
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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 3: The reason I wanted to mention too, because it's like

551
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Speaker 3: the the temper you're getting heat. You know, brought up

552
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Speaker 3: a little bit Andy Reid said about Chris Jones. There's

553
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 3: been no communication. Whatever happens happens, the game goes on.

554
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,959
Speaker 3: Nick Bosa is still holding out, and yet I just

555
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Speaker 3: am not worried about that one.

556
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Speaker 1: I just think that one's gonna happen before the season.

557
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Speaker 5: I don't feel worried about any of these sitis. No,

558
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Speaker 5: I know what you mean, but.

559
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Speaker 3: I just mean I expect Nick Bosa to be ready

560
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Speaker 3: in time for week one. I expect Christian Wilkins, who's

561
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Speaker 3: quietly having a hold in right now in Miami, to

562
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Speaker 3: be ready for week one. I expect Josh Jacob's back. Taylor,

563
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Speaker 3: we talked about Jones Jones. It wouldn't shock me if

564
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Speaker 3: he actually missed me.

565
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Speaker 6: If you're Christian Wilkins, you gotta get a little more

566
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Speaker 6: pr going in this half. People don't even know he's

567
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Speaker 6: gonna hold out, like you gotta let it everyone.

568
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Speaker 1: No, he's the holding is tricky. Yeah, people don't like

569
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Speaker 1: it as much.

570
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Speaker 3: One last quick injury nugget before we get to eight

571
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Speaker 3: o'clock to light Jackson Smith and Jigba who we talked

572
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Speaker 3: about you talked about Mark right is a long shot

573
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Speaker 3: for week one. We didn't know that he heard his

574
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Speaker 3: wrist in that preseason game. Long shot for week one

575
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Speaker 3: is Ian Rappaport's reporting after risk surgery. They're pretty thinnet

576
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Speaker 3: wide receiver after their top three, which might be the

577
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Speaker 3: best top three in the league, and yet I don't

578
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Speaker 3: know who their number three is.

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Speaker 1: It might be a man named Jake Bobo.

580
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Speaker 6: Well that's exciting. I mean, yeah, we mentioned Jackson on

581
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Speaker 6: the last episode. It's like I thought it was someone

582
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Speaker 6: that from the minute the first game starts. He's an

583
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Speaker 6: important part of their offense, and suddenly you don't have him.

584
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Speaker 6: I want to root for the preseason. I want to

585
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Speaker 6: root for these joint practices. I want to root for

586
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Speaker 6: the prep for the regular season. But it just feels

587
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Speaker 6: like we've already lost thirty to forty important people that.

588
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Speaker 3: As men, not two men. Right then McLaurin toe injury

589
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:56,719
Speaker 3: bothers me that might be turf. To they're saying it's

590
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Speaker 3: Tace that.

591
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Speaker 6: Can affect your whole season exactly February that it was

592
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Speaker 6: never himself.

593
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Speaker 3: I've never Maybe Patrick can help me, Maybe you can

594
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:07,160
Speaker 3: help me, Mark, I've never been able to express this

595
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 3: take I have that I've felt strongly about for ten years.

596
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 2: Let it out.

597
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 3: And it's the it's the people that get really upset

598
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Speaker 3: that someone gets injured in the preseason and what a

599
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Speaker 3: waste that is. And that's namely me terrible, sure, but

600
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 3: really everyone Okay, But and there's something I think Belichick

601
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 3: has talked about this a little like, but that same

602
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 3: level of consternation, like isn't quite there for the like

603
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 3: forty injuries that come at you on Week one when

604
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Speaker 3: they suddenly have to play fifty or sixty snaps. And

605
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Speaker 3: to me, like, I don't know, I haven't been able

606
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Speaker 3: to express this well, I don't know if playing in

607
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Speaker 3: the preseason helps prevent that or not.

608
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Speaker 1: I'm not even saying that.

609
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Speaker 3: All I'm saying is like their job is to play football,

610
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Speaker 3: and injuries, I guess are gonna happen and you have

611
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Speaker 3: and you're suddenly gonna play fifty sixty snaps like snaps

612
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Speaker 3: are are needed to be played. People are going to

613
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 3: get hurt. It's annoying, but it's not like much more

614
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 3: tragic to me. If it happens in the preseason then

615
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 3: the regular season, it's all bad.

616
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 1: It's not more bad in August. I feel like, but

617
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Speaker 1: I never can say it, well.

618
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Speaker 2: I think you've said it, well, yeah, you've said it.

619
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Speaker 4: I feel like we do kind of need to know

620
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Speaker 4: whether or not playing football prevents you from being hurt

621
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Speaker 4: playing football.

622
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Speaker 2: In order to feel that way, I just I typically tend.

623
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Speaker 4: To believe that, you know, it's it's done everything for us,

624
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 4: but in terms of your health, like playing football might

625
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:39,439
Speaker 4: not be good for you, And so it's hard for

626
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 4: me to believe that in order to be more healthy

627
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 4: to play football in the regular.

628
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Speaker 2: Season, guys need to do it in the preseason.

629
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Speaker 3: I feel like there's a that's fine, but there's gonna

630
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Speaker 3: be like forty of these same injuries in the regular season,

631
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Speaker 3: and that's disappointed to know.

632
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Speaker 1: What I find is all that's sort of all.

633
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Speaker 3: My point is, like it's gonna happen, You're gonna have

634
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 3: to play football, And I hear you, someone's got to

635
00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 3: play these games.

636
00:27:58,840 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: You know.

637
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Speaker 6: Well, so I think for me it's more of a

638
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 6: personal thing where we are tasked with spending five to

639
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 6: six months talking about rosters as if they won't be

640
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 6: affected by injury, in ranking you know, skill position players,

641
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 6: ranking quarterbacks, ranking wide receivers, running backs, and then like

642
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 6: eight minutes into the preseason, most of what we talked

643
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 6: about is reduced to rubberts.

644
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Speaker 1: It's the same thing week one. We know, whatever, it's

645
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Speaker 1: week one.

646
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Speaker 5: It's like, cool, it happened in a game that mattered,

647
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 5: That's yeah.

648
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Speaker 4: I just think, all right, Jackson Smith and Jigba had

649
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 4: so much production at Ohio State.

650
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Speaker 2: He was a first round pick.

651
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 4: I don't necessarily think that they needed the amount of

652
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 4: information about jack Smith and Jigba in order to play

653
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 4: him in the regular season that necessitated him playing in

654
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Speaker 4: the preseason.

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Speaker 2: I think that.

656
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 4: Time could have gone to somebody baby who maybe needs

657
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Speaker 4: more time in order to earn a spot not just

658
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 4: on the team, but maybe in the league long term. Sure,

659
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 4: maybe we don't necessarily need to see guys that we

660
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Speaker 4: know are going to play playing in the preseason.

661
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Speaker 3: That's how I that's probably I basically agree with that,

662
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Speaker 3: But there is there is some level where I think

663
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 3: there's some players that probably it is useful to play.

664
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 3: Maybe they're not as far along, maybe they're young quarterbacks.

665
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 3: I don't even know what it is. And the point

666
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 3: is like one week, one week, week two happens. It's

667
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 3: like all these injuries are happening. That that that's a

668
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 3: shame as well. Let's get some developing news here. We're

669
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 3: throwing in a surprise. We're spending two much.

670
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 1: Time on Davis. Brocod stand sick. This is a weird one.

671
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 3: Corey Davis has let the Jets know he's stepping away

672
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 3: from football.

673
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 5: I feel like he did that two years ago.

674
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 3: But ouch, Look, he was locked in to making over

675
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 3: ten million dollars for this team. He was probably gonna

676
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 3: be their third or fourth receiver, and it sounds like

677
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 3: he might be retiring. Corey Davis, so a hit to

678
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 3: the Jets wide receiver group. Has I know I'm springing

679
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 3: this on you last second.

680
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,719
Speaker 6: Nope, sixty six catches over two seasons with the Jets.

681
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 6: I you know, like I think it were. We started

682
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 6: to see this about five or six years ago, where

683
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 6: like the concept of retirement has become so much easier

684
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 6: for players you're making enough money to have generational wealth,

685
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 6: and uh, there's more information about the long term negative

686
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 6: effects of playing football, and I think it's a what

687
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 6: are you going to do next with your career, with

688
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 6: your life? And these retirements come from younger players at

689
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 6: a higher rate than ever before.

690
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 3: And he's notably someone that's that struggled with his health

691
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 3: and did get a healthy second contract. Solways in a

692
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 3: position too where he can feel a little more comfortable

693
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 3: with that. Yeah, reading the Instagram post, now it's clear

694
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 3: he is planning to retire, saying he's thought about it

695
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 3: for for a long time.

696
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 4: I wonder do they does does Joe call the Browns

697
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 4: back and like, hey, how do y'll feel about a

698
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 4: loshit more? You want to do? You want to flip

699
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 4: fluff this back again? I'm just because court Davis was

700
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 4: going to play.

701
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: I think so.

702
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 3: I mean my immediately, my immediate thought was was there

703
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 3: any chance did he have any feeling that he wasn't

704
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 3: going to make this team? Potentially because they did bring

705
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 3: in Mkole Hardman, you have Lazard, you have Garrett Wilson.

706
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 3: It'd be tough to cut Randall Cobb. Well, you can't

707
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 3: annoy Aaron Rodgers with that. So that's four guys right there,

708
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 3: and three of them are or two of them are

709
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 3: on veterans contracts, so I don't know for sure. The

710
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 3: talk was that they were going to keep him and

711
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 3: happy trails to Corey Davis had some nice moments there

712
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 3: with the Titans as a speedster.

713
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: Good luck with what you do next.

714
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 3: I think it's time to take a little break and

715
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 3: we're going to get to our exciting segment, which really

716
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 3: is inspired by the New York Jets quarterback Aaron Rodgers

717
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 3: some of the beautiful mysteries heading into twenty twenty three.

718
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 3: All Right, we are back and we're going to talk

719
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 3: about some of the things going to this season. We've

720
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 3: kind of talked about everything, Mark, haven't we at this point.

721
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 6: Today or over the It's just like the last like

722
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 6: three or four week I feel like we've covered a lot.

723
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: We've hit it up.

724
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 3: I would say to you too, but you haven't been

725
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 3: here the whole time, Patrick, I know you.

726
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, So.

727
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 3: I now that we're heading into the season, we're going

728
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 3: to do some big predictions. We have our around the

729
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 3: AFC NFC shows. Next week we're hoping to lock Patrick

730
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 3: back into a one week contract, a one week.

731
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: Contract for one of those shows.

732
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 3: Patrick, I know we're using you this week, but I'm

733
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 3: hoping to reach out to your agent and get you

734
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 3: back for that next week and we'll do the predictions.

735
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Speaker 3: So I was thinking, what do we do? What do

736
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 3: we talk about now? How about the things we don't

737
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 3: know anything about? Maybe it's the things we haven't talked

738
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 3: about much on this show. That's sort of how I

739
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 3: approached it too, But it's also the things that like

740
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 3: that's just a mystery to me, like going into the season,

741
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 3: I just don't know how to feel about it. It

742
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 3: doesn't matter how we've talked about it. It's a beautiful mystery.

743
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 3: That's what Aaron Rodgers said about his football future. I

744
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 3: think that was back in April. And I think we

745
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 3: got to start with Mark because when I think beautiful mystery,

746
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 3: I think.

747
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 5: Oh, thank you man.

748
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 6: You know how I like came up with like eighty

749
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 6: two topics here, So I'm gonna just fish for one.

750
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 5: I think we don't have any.

751
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: Clear go around. I'm playing in like three or three

752
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: times sure, and we can keep it pretty quick.

753
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 6: I don't have any like clear evidence that Todd Monkin

754
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 6: is a a plus play caller, or that this Ravens

755
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 6: offense in general has shown really anything to suggest that

756
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 6: this post Greg Roman world is exactly what they needed.

757
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 6: It was wonderful to change from Greg Roman, I think

758
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 6: on paper, because they're kind of hit an exhaustion point

759
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 6: with him. That happens with Greg Roman. But you know,

760
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 6: Lamar Jackson, coming off two disappointing seasons, you.

761
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 5: Add Odell Beckham.

762
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Speaker 6: I think you've got a much better wide receiver core

763
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 6: than you've had in the past. I don't know, like

764
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 6: running the ball the way they did worked for the Ravens.

765
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 7: Uh.

766
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 6: If you're gonna move to a pass heavy offense or

767
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 6: so called you know, more balanced offense, cool, it's got

768
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 6: to work. I just we've seen nothing in the preseason

769
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 6: that suggests to me that we know it's gonna work.

770
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Speaker 3: No, I don't think they're gonna show that at all.

771
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 3: And that was a great, beautiful mystery to get us good.

772
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 3: I think you're right. I heard. Uh it's Collinsworth. Actually

773
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,280
Speaker 3: he was on Mina Kimes's podcast. They listened to that episode,

774
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:23,760
Speaker 3: and he thought that the Ravens were as maybe variable

775
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 3: as any team in the league. Like that they it

776
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 3: could actually go terrible. I don't see that happening. There's

777
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 3: such a good organization, they're so talented in terms of

778
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 3: their coach. Really terrible, right, But just like that, he

779
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 3: had questions about the defense too, that or they could

780
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 3: win the Super Bowl. He just thought there is a

781
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,919
Speaker 3: huge range of outcomes for this team.

782
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: And I think you're right.

783
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:42,879
Speaker 3: For a team that doesn't have a new head coach

784
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,839
Speaker 3: or a new quarterback Week one, they are maybe at

785
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 3: the top of my list of like, I want to

786
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 3: see what this is gonna because they're not going to

787
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 3: show it in the preseason.

788
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 1: We really have no idea.

789
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the reasons for optimism right because they

790
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 4: had so much success on the defensive side of the ball,

791
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:01,280
Speaker 4: and they change a coordinator, right, and Hardball's making that decision,

792
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 4: and I think ultimately they feel.

793
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 2: Good about him.

794
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 3: It was a very specific coordinator, Greg Roman, who really

795
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 3: there wasn't there wasn't like a Greg Roman tree out there,

796
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like that was the only

797
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 3: Greg Roman offense.

798
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:13,280
Speaker 1: So it's going to be different.

799
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,959
Speaker 4: Yeah, And so now it's I think the subtraction part

800
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 4: right where it's no longer Greg Roman there were some

801
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 4: issues in the passing game with the concept guys were

802
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 4: in the same place you had pat Ricard running digs,

803
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 4: and it's like, wait, like this offense needs to grow,

804
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 4: it needs to change. I don't think having Todd Mankin

805
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 4: eliminates the capacity for them to run the ball in

806
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 4: the way that they have.

807
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: It's differently maybe.

808
00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, But there is that question of in terms of

809
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 4: calling the plays as a play caller. You're right, it

810
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 4: is a mystery. But are we going to find out

811
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 4: how much of a detraction like late stage, Greg Roman

812
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 4: was right and how much was he holding the offense back.

813
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 4: I think we will get an answer there, and maybe

814
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,359
Speaker 4: we'll get an answer on Todd Munkin. Or maybe it's

815
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 4: just you have an exceedingly talented quarterback who got hurt

816
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 4: in the pocket. Like it wasn't like Lamar was out

817
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 4: there doing Lamar stuff and he got hurt like he

818
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 4: got hitting in the knee in the pocket, just like

819
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 4: anybody can.

820
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 2: And so like, long term, what is this offense going

821
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 2: to be?

822
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 3: And I could take some time too, It could be

823
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 3: something where after a week five there's some grumbling and

824
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 3: it catches fire by the end. I think It's a

825
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 3: good point though, about the running game, just because they

826
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 3: do have a healthy you know, assuming JK. Dobbins is

827
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 3: fine and Gus Edwards and Lamar just makes the running

828
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 3: game that much better and makes it easier on the

829
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 3: passing game. I'm gonna throw out a beautiful mystery. Let's gious,

830
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 3: and it's a team I'm trying not to be a

831
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 3: downer on, but I think I am a little lower

832
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 3: on consensus. But it's it's more that I just don't know,

833
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 3: And it's the Jacksonville Jaguars, like, are we sure that

834
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 3: they're gonna be taking this next step? I always am

835
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 3: a little wary of teams that finished the year really

836
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 3: strong and you just assume, Okay, that's how that team

837
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,879
Speaker 3: is now. And I look at their defense and they've

838
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 3: had a couple of injuries lately, fully fought to Cossi's

839
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 3: had a cast on his arm, and more importantly, Davon Hamilton,

840
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 3: who they gave a big contract to one of their

841
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 3: best defensive linemen, has what sounds like a serious injury

842
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 3: that is indefinite and might be a non football injury.

843
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 3: He might end up on a list like I don't

844
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 3: know what's going on there. I look at their defensive

845
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 3: roster and they weren't a good defense last year.

846
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: They didn't really add to it. I look at their cornerbacks.

847
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 3: After their top guy Campbell, and I look at their

848
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,240
Speaker 3: pass rush depth after Josh Allen, look at is Trayvon

849
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 3: Walker gonna make a jump? And I'm like, is this

850
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 3: possibly a bottom five defense? And if it is a

851
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 3: bottom five defense, are I that confident that Jaguars offense

852
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 3: is good enough to make up for it? I'm gonna

853
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 3: say it's a mystery to me. It's possible that Trevor

854
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 3: just continues to ascend and Ridley and they continued to

855
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 3: as send. But there's big questions on the offensive line,

856
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 3: and there's really big questions to me on the defense.

857
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 3: That's a lot of questions going into the season for

858
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,720
Speaker 3: your boy Trevor Lawrence to make up for Patrick.

859
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,800
Speaker 4: There's a lot of questions. But there's even more questions

860
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 4: elsewhere in the division.

861
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 3: Sure, but it's possible for everyone to be bad in

862
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 3: the division, Like they can still be mediocre.

863
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 4: But the things that have to happen for those other

864
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 4: teams to leave Fraul with the Jags, I feel like

865
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,959
Speaker 4: are a little more mysterious than like, well, can Josh

866
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 4: Allen stay healthy? Is is trev going to be as good,

867
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,280
Speaker 4: if not maybe even better than he was a season

868
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 4: ago they had Tank Bigsby, we get a full season

869
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 4: of Travis etn hopefully, Like there's just less Jags questions

870
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 4: for me if I can assuade your concerns.

871
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, I disagree, But because they have Trevor then they

872
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 3: don't have that question.

873
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 6: So also, it's not like the answer last year was

874
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 6: a strength and it's become a non strength. It was

875
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 6: not a strength last year, and so that's baseline. And

876
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 6: I feel like the Trevor Lawrence factor is like you

877
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 6: could give you know, a B minus director a great script,

878
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 6: it will probably still be a good movie. But you

879
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 6: give a good director a terrible script, good luck with that.

880
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 6: Like you've got the quarterback. The quarterback is the good

881
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,439
Speaker 6: script like they were.

882
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 1: I think, like, what if he's the good director, he.

883
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 6: Could well Doug Peterson did a pretty good job with

884
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 6: that last year, and I mean he just grew as

885
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,280
Speaker 6: much as any quarterback in the league next to maybe

886
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 6: justin fields. Like I think, like there's nothing about that

887
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 6: that felt half baked. It felt completely tangible. And you

888
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 6: know DVOA wise, like their offense over the final six

889
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 6: to seven games of the season was terrorizing teams, and

890
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 6: so I just like that as your court. Now they're

891
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 6: over under I think was nine point five. To your point,

892
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 6: crack Up was like tempted in that one episode to

893
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 6: go under because I don't think you're gonna get the

894
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 6: last five or six weeks of the regular season last

895
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 6: year just all over again necessarily. But to Patrick's point,

896
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 6: the environment is better than if you were stuck in

897
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 6: the AFC East.

898
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: I hear that.

899
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,919
Speaker 3: I just I think it could be an environment where

900
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 3: the division standings look similar to last year. I was

901
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 3: gonna make this a whole AFC South thing, and then

902
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 3: I decided just to make it Jaguars or it's an

903
00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 3: NFC South from a year ago. And like, if you

904
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 3: told me that the Jaguars are a little bit of

905
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 3: a letdown and they actually win the division winning eight

906
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 3: games or nine games like that, that feels possible to

907
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 3: me because I just think they're counting on trev to

908
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 3: do a lot.

909
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: Give me a beautiful mystery, Patrick.

910
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:13,280
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll give you a beautiful mystery.

911
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 4: It comes out of my mind and trying to change

912
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,720
Speaker 4: the way I feel about something because with players, the constant,

913
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,399
Speaker 4: my constant idea is, well, both of these guys could

914
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 4: be good.

915
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,800
Speaker 2: I don't afford that leniency to coaches.

916
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 4: And we saw a change in the offensive coordinator spot

917
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,879
Speaker 4: in Dallas and now Mike McCarthy's calling plays. Kellen Moore

918
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 4: is over here across the street, and in my mind,

919
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 4: one of these coaches has to be good and another

920
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 4: has to be bad. But could the Chargers and Cowboys

921
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 4: both have top ten offenses. Everybody's good, it was just not.

922
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: Meant to be a win win.

923
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 2: Is that possible? I think?

924
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 6: I think absolutely, because first of all, like personnel wise,

925
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:59,320
Speaker 6: they've got the makings of two top ten offenses. Mike McCarthy,

926
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 6: we've got a lot of history of him doing very

927
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 6: well at calling plays. But Kellen Moore also, Kellen Moore

928
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 6: is not like he didn't get. He got there was

929
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 6: a bit of a power issue there and things needed

930
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 6: to change. I think DA's meltdown led to some of

931
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,720
Speaker 6: that too. You know, Kellen Moore to me, has proven

932
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 6: that he can do it. I like the idea of

933
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 6: Kellen Moore or anyone with Justin Herbert doing a better

934
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 6: job than last year's the coordinator in Los Angeles. I

935
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 6: just think, like I Kellen Moore also and Justin Herbert

936
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 6: are like legit close friends who have a shared background,

937
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 6: and like they've talked all along about they want to

938
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 6: tail really tailor things to make Justin Herbert comfortable in

939
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 6: the offense that was not happening last year. And so

940
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:38,919
Speaker 6: I think it's arrow up on both teams.

941
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore, Yeah, I think both could be better.

942
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 3: Con I just think the Cowboys are in a better

943
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 3: situation health wise and depth wise, and just like the

944
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 3: look of their team, and Kellen Moore, I like what

945
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:50,879
Speaker 3: I've heard in terms of their running game. A little

946
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 3: more of a North South running game, A good, even

947
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 3: an average like first and second down running game would

948
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 3: really help Herbert. And I don't know what Kellen Moore

949
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 3: is doing behind the scenes, but I mean, forget brew

950
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 3: his arians he's the new quarterback whisper. I mean Dak

951
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 3: was like his best buddy pretty much, and now Justin

952
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 3: Herbert maybe he's learned just like if you if you're

953
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 3: friends with these guys, you're gonna have jobs forever.

954
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 2: Tender yourself to a really good quarterback, good.

955
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,439
Speaker 1: Right, And it wasn't even intentional because he was you know, Dak.

956
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:22,320
Speaker 3: I was there the day Kellen Moore unfortunately broke his ankle,

957
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 3: which led to Dak Prescott becoming the number one quarterback

958
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 3: of the Dallas Cowboys. Let's get another beautiful mystery.

959
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:29,359
Speaker 2: Mark.

960
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 6: So we are situated about one hundred feet away from

961
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 6: Sofi's stadium. We've talked about the Chargers. I think it

962
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 6: is a true mystery. Is it a beautiful mystery?

963
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 5: Tbd? But who are the Rams? What on earth are

964
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 5: they going to look like?

965
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 6: And I guess I'd be more down on the Rams,

966
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 6: except Sean McVay seems more delighted and joyful than really

967
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 6: ever before I know that there was. He's on a

968
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 6: personal journey to try to maybe have less of his

969
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 6: darkness spread over the whole team that things start to

970
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:00,439
Speaker 6: go south. But he seems to be more, I guess

971
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 6: from a coaching angle, more jazzed up than I can

972
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 6: recall in a long time. But then you look at

973
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 6: the Rams roster and like talking of the Chargers running game,

974
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 6: they destroyed Los Angeles on the ground a couple of

975
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 6: weeks ago, and the Rams, to me seem very sort

976
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 6: of beyond Aaron Donald floating on that entire side of

977
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 6: the ball. Then you've got Matthew Stafford and Cooper Cup

978
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 6: on an offense. It's pretty shaky too. And it's like,

979
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 6: do the Rams get eight or nine weeks into the

980
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 6: season and say we can shop some of these parts

981
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 6: if we want to truly get into a deeper rebuild

982
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 6: or is this the beginning of the beginning of the rebuild?

983
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 6: And like these young guys on defense gel and look

984
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 6: more surprising than we expected. I just have no concept

985
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 6: of what the Rams could be. I think they probably

986
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 6: five or six wins. But does Sean McVay have a.

987
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 5: Trick up asleep?

988
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 3: I'm with you on him being in a better mood.

989
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 3: There was this clip of him going around calling the

990
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 3: Rams game, because I think in this he gives up

991
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 3: play calling and he joins this. The broadcast right was

992
00:43:55,840 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 3: Andrew Worth, Andrews Siliano, our buddy Andrew, and he calls

993
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 3: the pick six that the Rams had in the second quarter,

994
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 3: and I got to say, Amazon offered I think McVeigh

995
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 3: all that money supposedly if we could get McVeigh to

996
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 3: announce Rams games as they're happening. We're really onto something

997
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 3: I would pay. I think they should pay a lot

998
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 3: of money, and I think that would be a fun

999
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 3: way to connect fans to the game.

1000
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 4: He also dropped an an S bomb on that on

1001
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 4: that pall yeah during because I was watching the broadcast

1002
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 4: as it happened, and I think he knows you're not

1003
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 4: supposed to.

1004
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 2: But he also knows that as fans, we like we

1005
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 2: like hearing that.

1006
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 4: Sure, it gives us a little like, oh, you know

1007
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 4: this guy, this guy's being real, this guy's being alternate,

1008
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 4: and I think he knows in that part of it

1009
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 4: is fun. It's I'm glad to see Sean having fun

1010
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 4: and not being like remote, like morose, like yeah, this

1011
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 4: this may be my last game. Everything is bad, So

1012
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,320
Speaker 4: I like that. But also it is a complete mystery.

1013
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:58,879
Speaker 4: I wish I could help you, Mark, but.

1014
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think an none of them helps. I

1015
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 5: think we just don't know.

1016
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 1: Defensively, it's insane.

1017
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 3: But then there's this idea, oh, the offense will be fine,

1018
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 3: and like maybe, but we haven't seen Stafford a while.

1019
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,359
Speaker 1: Their number two receiver is Van Jefferson, and.

1020
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 5: How did they upgrade the offensive line?

1021
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 3: I think it is better. They took a Villa in

1022
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 3: the second round. They made him an immediate starter. No,

1023
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 3: Boom's healthy now and he's a guard. The other guys

1024
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 3: have been there. Allen's healthy, they're healthier. I think they

1025
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 3: have three guys back.

1026
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 5: Well, that was a that was a disaster a year ago.

1027
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: It was.

1028
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 4: They've been they've been happy about to two at well,

1029
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 4: starting to show some problems.

1030
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 1: That's yeah, that's a beautiful mystery. We'll see.

1031
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give a beautiful mystery. That's a little more

1032
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 3: like league wide. Okay, it's a little more taking a

1033
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 3: bird's eye view. Birds I view and the Rams are

1034
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 3: a little related to this because I think they helped

1035
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 3: start the trend of these vic Fangio acolytes spreading around

1036
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 3: the league.

1037
00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: Brandon Staley was one. We see him everywhere.

1038
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 3: Sorry, everyone playing this too high shell and playing essentially

1039
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 3: to prevent the big play. That the whole point of

1040
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 3: defense right now is to prevent the big play. And

1041
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,879
Speaker 3: it's begging you to run, and we want you to run.

1042
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 3: And we've seen over the last year some teams go

1043
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 3: too far in that direction, like the Chargers giving up

1044
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 3: five and a half yards per carry and they just

1045
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 3: they can't stop a nosebleed, and it's a problem. And

1046
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 3: I do look at the league as a whole, and

1047
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 3: there's a lot of these coordinators out there and just wonder.

1048
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 1: It's a cyclical league. No one system ever stays effective

1049
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 1: for long. You think of the Tony Dungee Tampa too,

1050
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 1: remember when that really spread out and then there was

1051
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 1: kind of a tipping point where it was like everyone's

1052
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 1: just hitting eight yard passes all over the Tampa two.

1053
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 1: I think in this case, it's some teams running the

1054
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 1: ball a little more, whether it's with wide receivers who

1055
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 1: can block well, or whether it's with two tight ends,

1056
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,879
Speaker 1: and whether that shift is really going to start happy.

1057
00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 1: I think we saw a little bit of it last year.

1058
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 3: You certainly see the Eagles making it hard on some

1059
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 3: of those defense But just as a league, a beautiful mystery.

1060
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,839
Speaker 3: If we're gonna just see a little more the run

1061
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 3: game punishing these light boxes and the real man football comes.

1062
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:15,439
Speaker 1: Back, I think it could happen.

1063
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 3: I think that's what Belatzik was trying to do back

1064
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,879
Speaker 3: in twenty one with Cam Newton already, and I think

1065
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 3: there's going to be a little more that the Patriots

1066
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 3: will be one of those teams this year.

1067
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: But it's a mystery.

1068
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, we see the cyclical nature of things all the time.

1069
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 4: It's just a question of when it happens.

1070
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 2: You know.

1071
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 4: I was referencing Don Martindale going to the Giants. He

1072
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 4: still brings the heat, right, And I think maybe it

1073
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 4: got to the point where Harbald saw the rest of

1074
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 4: the league and says, hey, maybe we need to incorporate

1075
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:43,280
Speaker 4: these things. I also think it's probably a little cheaper

1076
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:48,240
Speaker 4: financially to design the defense that approaches things that way

1077
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,760
Speaker 4: than the attacking defense, because you have to pay corners,

1078
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 4: you have to sure at drushers, and so maybe that

1079
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 4: but at some point somebody is going to flip the

1080
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 4: script and do something the rest of the lea not

1081
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 4: ready for. It's just who who takes that risk.

1082
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 3: And I think it's just offensively making. Defenses have to

1083
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 3: come up with answers when you have big personnel in there,

1084
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 3: and it doesn't always have to be two tight ends

1085
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 3: or anything or a fullback. It could be Robert Woods

1086
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 3: and Cooper Cup who can just block on your outside

1087
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 3: and you teach like the I think the Dolphins are

1088
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 3: going to be a really good running team, and they've

1089
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 3: got two lightweight ride receivers out there, but they also

1090
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 3: have just geometry problems they create with those wide receivers,

1091
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:28,399
Speaker 3: and they're going to play a lot of two tight

1092
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 3: ends that don't catch a lot of passes. I think

1093
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 3: the Patriots, I think the Lions, I think the Packers,

1094
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 3: I think the Browns. I think there's a lot of

1095
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 3: teams out there that could just start punishing these looks.

1096
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,399
Speaker 3: And you saw the number the numbers for rushing last

1097
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 3: year were up. It was more effective last year to

1098
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 3: run the ball that has been for many.

1099
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 5: I could totally see that.

1100
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 6: I mean, I think also we're in a time where,

1101
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 6: you know, I think of the play caller series that

1102
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 6: Jordan Rodrige did, where right your head coaches now are

1103
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,879
Speaker 6: vastly offensive minded like that that was not the case

1104
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 6: a long time ago. And I think that the environment

1105
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 6: of your entire organization is innovative and we're gonna do

1106
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 6: things differently and zig when other teams act. But I

1107
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 6: also look at like what the Ravens did with you know,

1108
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 6: at the outset of Lamar's starting rain and under Harbor

1109
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 6: that where that was I thought incredibly inventive. And open

1110
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:17,280
Speaker 6: minded to just become a nineteen seventies team that hammers

1111
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 6: people on the ground. But you didn't get twenty two

1112
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 6: teams to copy them. Now, like I think in general,

1113
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 6: like it's still a quarterbacks league. It's still gonna be

1114
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 6: you're in too many situations where the passing game is

1115
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 6: too effective and needed in certain situations. So sure, I

1116
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 6: don't know if you're gonna get eighteen or nineteen teams

1117
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 6: that suddenly turn us back two or three decades.

1118
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 3: No, but if the teams that are doing it, Atlanta

1119
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 3: being maybe foremost among them, maybe it's bald to like

1120
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 3: if the teams that Philadelphia certainly like, if the teams

1121
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 3: that are doing it start to be more and more effective.

1122
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,319
Speaker 3: I think the Patriots are gonna try. I don't know

1123
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,879
Speaker 3: how effective it'll be, but I think they'll try.

1124
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 6: Maybe they gets to try not being completely boring to

1125
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 6: the eye on offense.

1126
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 5: How about that.

1127
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:56,720
Speaker 4: Maybe the thing that does finally go about the wayside

1128
00:49:56,719 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 4: this season is like the early era Brandon Staley Chargers

1129
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 4: mindset where it's, hey, you know, it's really hard to

1130
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 4: run the ball four and a half yards, Yeah, every

1131
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 4: single every single play, And then teams came out there

1132
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:13,320
Speaker 4: and did that, and then like he's still saying that,

1133
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 4: maybe maybe we make some changes to get rid.

1134
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:17,280
Speaker 2: Of that mindset.

1135
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 3: Right, you gotta have guys up front that are if

1136
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 3: you're only going to have six guys in there, you

1137
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 3: better have some great run blockers among those six guys. Uh,

1138
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 3: let's go Patrick, and then let's let's wrap with a

1139
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 3: speed round. Let's get a third round. But we'll do

1140
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 3: it quicker.

1141
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 2: Okay, somebody's gonna go worse the first.

1142
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 4: We know that. And it's a mystery right now. If

1143
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 4: I'm just riding the high of the greatest preseason football

1144
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 4: game of all time, is that team to watch?

1145
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 2: Oh?

1146
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 1: This was gonna be mine. That's good. I'm glad you

1147
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:49,800
Speaker 1: took it. We can just have this convo.

1148
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:51,839
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1149
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 3: They are a beautiful mystery. There is something about that game.

1150
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 3: And I started thinking the team of atl and I

1151
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 3: was like, Wow, how transgressive it be after years of

1152
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 3: I at least said that.

1153
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,240
Speaker 1: I you know, I don't hate.

1154
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 3: Any team except for one that there was one team

1155
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 3: out there, But the source of that hatred is with

1156
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 3: the ownership.

1157
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 1: It's gone.

1158
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 3: I'm like the Commandos fans out there that feel like reborn.

1159
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:17,280
Speaker 1: And then I got Sam Howell slinging.

1160
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 3: I gotta admit I kind of like Sam how Maybe

1161
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 3: Eric b Enemy actually runs a really fun offense.

1162
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 1: He's shown some fun stuff so far.

1163
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 3: Like you've got a nice uh coach, you like, you've

1164
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 3: got a defensive line that you like.

1165
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 1: I'm kind of feeling the command.

1166
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 5: First that is aggressive. The Eagles won six more games

1167
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:36,319
Speaker 5: than them a year ago.

1168
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:38,399
Speaker 2: More and more.

1169
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 6: The Giants also went to the playoffs, So you're you're

1170
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 6: gonna need a lot of calamity to occur to those

1171
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:44,879
Speaker 6: other three teams.

1172
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 3: Another team I think that would like to run the

1173
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 3: ball quite a bit and play defensive and h Washington

1174
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 3: power football Washington. Yes, I just think them as a

1175
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 3: fun entity is such a value add potentially it is.

1176
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 6: My mystery would be more like, wait a minute, Sam Howell,

1177
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 6: who we've kind of giggling at the concept of them

1178
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 6: not really going out and getting a bide. Well, no,

1179
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 6: but just in general, Washington under Ron Rivera's like we're

1180
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 6: just gonna get by a quarterback where the rest of

1181
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 6: the league seeks, uh, you know, a franchise starter. Sam

1182
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 6: Howell looks really spicy. They've been saying all along, they

1183
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 6: believe in him. You know, I thought this one game

1184
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:19,800
Speaker 6: sample size from a year ago wasn't enough to completely

1185
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 6: convince me. But even just a couple of days ago

1186
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 6: against the Ravens, I'm like, sure, I watched Sam Howell.

1187
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 6: It's like the kind of quarterback I like watching. So

1188
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 6: if he's watchable and he's productive, they're already there. Already

1189
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 6: were a lot of parts on both sides of the

1190
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:33,879
Speaker 6: ball in Washington. So eight eight and one a year ago,

1191
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 6: they can be better than that. They could win ten

1192
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 6: eleven games in a best case scenario.

1193
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 3: He is a better version or a rich man's Baker,

1194
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 3: which is to your point, you're kind of quarterbacks some big.

1195
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 2: Let's not let's not drown the hope already.

1196
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:51,359
Speaker 3: No, I just think a better version, Like if it's

1197
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 3: got to be a better runner. Obviously he's in a

1198
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 3: more physical guy, but I think he's got some bakerish tendencies.

1199
00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 3: But like, if you could be a Baker that processes

1200
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:03,240
Speaker 3: it makes better decisions, I think you would have something talented.

1201
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 3: All right, let's do let's do a speed round and

1202
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:06,879
Speaker 3: get out of here.

1203
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 5: Okay, you want me to go?

1204
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:09,359
Speaker 2: Sure?

1205
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 6: All right, I wrote this down, but I kind of

1206
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 6: think I already know the answer. Are the Raiders a

1207
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 6: disaster or maybe good? I think they're a mess. But

1208
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 6: my second question to that is we where the preseason

1209
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 6: that the off season has been so long? Because you

1210
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 6: had that famous rant they used that on GMFB. Well,

1211
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 6: I went through all these other AFC teams. It's like,

1212
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:31,839
Speaker 6: are the Raiders better than any of these? And it's

1213
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 6: like ten AFC teams? It's like not really. But then

1214
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 6: I do wonder, if you know, Josh McDaniels worked forever

1215
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:41,240
Speaker 6: with Tom Brady. Tom Brady had a very fascinating origin story.

1216
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 6: What if we're on the verge of an Aiden O'Connell revolution,

1217
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 6: where we get it Jimmy G. I think people are

1218
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 6: two down on Jimmy G. But what if Aidan O'Connell

1219
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 6: can actually play was a fascinating college player, and like

1220
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,760
Speaker 6: we're six or seven weeks away from a Jimmy injury

1221
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 6: where Aidan O'Connell comes in and makes the Raiders a

1222
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 6: totally enjoyable product.

1223
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,759
Speaker 3: This is the off season so long that now I

1224
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:06,839
Speaker 3: start going against the takes I had because we've sat

1225
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:07,359
Speaker 3: with him too long.

1226
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 1: I'm with you.

1227
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 3: I'm sort of now like, oh, maybe the Raiders will

1228
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:11,720
Speaker 3: be in And I've gotten the other way with the Dolphins,

1229
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 3: which was gonna be my last beautiful mystery, I'm gonna

1230
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:14,319
Speaker 3: skip that to it.

1231
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 1: It's like I was so.

1232
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 3: High on them at the beginning of the off season.

1233
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 3: Now I'm like, maybe that actually that they won't be

1234
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 3: that good. Let's I'm going to finish my beautiful mystery

1235
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 3: with a player, Justin Fields, who is a to me,

1236
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 3: a beautiful mystery because he's one of the greatest running

1237
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 3: quarterbacks of all time in terms of his running ability.

1238
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 3: We that was a surprise that he was that good

1239
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:36,320
Speaker 3: as a runner. He's sort of been a little opposite

1240
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 3: of his profile coming out of school, like, yes, his

1241
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 3: d backer is he's supposed to be great. We just

1242
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 3: haven't had a chance to see a lot of it.

1243
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 3: I don't know what to think about Justin Fields. I

1244
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 3: think the ceiling is so high. I think the floor

1245
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:52,640
Speaker 3: is a little lower than I would like. I'm looking

1246
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 3: forward to watching him play, but that offense, to me,

1247
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 3: is a beautiful mystery, and I'm not I'm not confident

1248
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 3: going into the season that he's gonna be great. But

1249
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:04,839
Speaker 3: if you told me he had a Jalen Hurts type

1250
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 3: of year where he's in the MVP, Like.

1251
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:07,720
Speaker 1: That wouldn't shock me either.

1252
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 3: So to me, Fields is just a mystery, especially what

1253
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 3: they do in terms of the passing game, how they

1254
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 3: do the running game this year.

1255
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what we're gonna get.

1256
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:16,839
Speaker 2: I'm confident you are.

1257
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think he doesn't have Jalen Hurts type pieces around.

1258
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 4: But like when you go from Equanimita Saint Brown being

1259
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 4: your best option at Resus, yeah, J Moore, like I

1260
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 4: have to.

1261
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:30,359
Speaker 3: You're probably right. It's it's partly the Gatsy thing. It's

1262
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:34,839
Speaker 3: partly the I haven't felt overly confident with the tape

1263
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 3: piece put out there. Passing the ball not as good

1264
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 3: as there.

1265
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 6: Hasn't been like great glowing reporting around Fields over the

1266
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 6: past month plus. It's been a sort of a strange

1267
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 6: preseason for him.

1268
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 1: It always but it's all there for him to know

1269
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 1: it is right.

1270
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:50,320
Speaker 6: It always concerns me though, when like ninety eight percent

1271
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 6: of the people just assume he's gonna be Jalen Hurt's

1272
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 6: growth process, Like we don't know that, Like just because

1273
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 6: there's someone that we saw do that doesn't mean that

1274
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:02,360
Speaker 6: he can't accept at least half of his game. I

1275
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 6: thought he got better as a passer, first of all,

1276
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 6: if he really did, I think that's a little bit

1277
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:09,240
Speaker 6: slept on. Like doing QB Index, there was no quarterback

1278
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 6: that people would reply on X and my mentions and say, like,

1279
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 6: this guy actually stinks. You keep rising him up the

1280
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 6: rankings and like, no, he's devastating people with his legs,

1281
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 6: And can he grow as a passer? Like shouldn't most

1282
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 6: quarterbacks be growing as a passer from year two, three four?

1283
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:27,360
Speaker 4: And also he was making those scrambled decisions on passing plays,

1284
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 4: so like that's a part of the passing game.

1285
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 3: So I think it's yes to include that he is

1286
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 3: as Mike Vic like on just like a scramble. And

1287
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 3: I know his different body types can run over a

1288
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 3: guy like Vic caun't, but as Mike Vic like on

1289
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:43,399
Speaker 3: just a scramble when he decides to do it, as

1290
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:46,879
Speaker 3: anyone since Lamar's at that level or better, but he's

1291
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 3: just a different sort of player.

1292
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:53,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, My beautiful mystery is a former mystery which was

1293
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 4: not a mystery at all before it's Michael Thomas. I

1294
00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 4: think the Saints can win a whole lot of games,

1295
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 4: am am, I out of my mind to think Michael

1296
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 4: Thomas could have one hundred receptions in twenty twenty three

1297
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:05,479
Speaker 4: and if.

1298
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 3: He stayed healthy, that's the that's the mystery.

1299
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 5: Sure, I don't think you're out of your mind.

1300
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:14,439
Speaker 2: I think it's forty.

1301
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 5: He's done it. Well you did you do that at

1302
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 5: that moment, but he's done it.

1303
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 6: But it's like I can't think of too many like

1304
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 6: Hall of Fame type careers that went completely south because

1305
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 6: of health, and it's like where is his body?

1306
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 3: It also might be tough just because I think Olave

1307
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 3: is the one there. He's so good and Juwan Johnson's

1308
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 3: gonna get his share. But if you if you told

1309
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:41,919
Speaker 3: me Michael Thomas plays seventeen games, I would I don't

1310
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Speaker 3: think it over under at like eighty is wild at all.

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Speaker 1: And that's that's that's in the ballpark.

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Speaker 2: Caught a lot of balls.

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Speaker 1: That that's fair. That is it. We've we've hit the

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Speaker 1: beautiful mysteries. Thank you, Eric, I am class the.

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Speaker 2: Chimes was that a was that a tuning fork on

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00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 2: one of them? I didn't know what that tone was.

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Speaker 2: It was like, I have no idea that it's a

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Speaker 2: beautiful mystery.

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Speaker 3: It is a beautiful mystery. No mystery. What Thursday show

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Speaker 3: is gonna be? It's an annual favorite of the around

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Speaker 3: the NFL listeners. It's the hot butt rankings Andy heading

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Speaker 3: into this season and Dan will be back for that.

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Speaker 3: You know, he's not missing the hot butt ranking.

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Speaker 6: You can't miss the Ravens streak ending and hot butt

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Speaker 6: would be we'd be concerned about now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well he would need to like file a missing person.

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Speaker 5: Yes, that would be a mystery.

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Speaker 3: So we will be back on Thursday with those hot

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Speaker 3: butt red kids for for Mark Sessler, Patrick Claibone, I'm

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Speaker 3: just gonna go ahead.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say goodbye right now. He the call