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Speaker 1: Welcome back. I'm Dale Ali. He is Matt Williamson, and

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Speaker 1: this is the drive on Steelers Nation Radio and ESPN

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Speaker 1: nine seventy. Are those simulcast here. This is our number

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Speaker 1: two of our live coverage from the Steelers training camp

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Speaker 1: practice and the defensive and offensive lines working their way

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Speaker 1: over to the field here in front of us, where

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Speaker 1: they're going to do the same drill they finished practice

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Speaker 1: with yesterday. Matt, they moved the ball drill, but this

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Speaker 1: time they're gonna do it. It looks like red zone.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, nice, So you're gonna you're gonna take the

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Speaker 1: first downs yea. They're setting it up here, Marcel setting

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Speaker 1: up at the twenty three, going down to our left

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Speaker 1: here from right to left, and so as soon as the.

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Speaker 2: Good long period they're one on one though on the

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Speaker 2: far field, Oh absolutely, yeah, they went out it pretty good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Again, they're not taking it easy on these padded practice.

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Speaker 1: They are not, and well again you know that's what

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Speaker 1: training camps for. Yeah, right, right, but still they're pushing it. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so there's the go, there's the horn. We get the

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Speaker 1: first team offense out here working against the first team defense.

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Speaker 1: The idea with this drill is you're gonna start here.

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Speaker 1: It looks like they're starting at the twenty five actually,

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Speaker 1: and you're gonna record first downs here going into the

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Speaker 1: red zone.

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Speaker 2: So okay, makes it a little different there, a little

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Speaker 2: spin on it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So if you stay on the field, if you

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Speaker 1: get the first down. If you don't get the first down,

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Speaker 1: defense wins. The offense leaves the field and the second unit

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Speaker 1: comes on.

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Speaker 2: So if you get the first down, you keep driving,

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Speaker 2: you keep moving, okay, just keep on trucking, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, let's see what we got out here. The

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Speaker 1: sun shining now here. Ye, it's beautiful college. You gotta

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Speaker 1: love that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So this one figure is in Nickel high red

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Speaker 2: zone here I stand correctly. They're in there three to four.

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Speaker 2: Adams is the nose ye.

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Speaker 1: It's fifty five and twenty six out there. They seem

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Speaker 1: to have settled in on more on having Kawant Alexander

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Speaker 1: out there was that second linebacker.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, two points two cover guys. That does there's some

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Speaker 2: more speed. Yeah, so again you're in your three four,

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Speaker 2: but they went empty empty.

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Speaker 1: Oh nice throw and catch over the middle by Deontay Johnson.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he scores, but that was a big

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Speaker 1: game inside the ten. Yeah. So that's just a great.

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Speaker 2: Example of the skill guys the Steelers have. So you

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Speaker 2: get three four and you go empty, and Kenny could

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Speaker 2: still run it if.

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Speaker 1: They really like a back way, we could motion in

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Speaker 1: the back and back right right right.

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Speaker 2: But you spread things out, you get Johnson to operate

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Speaker 2: in a lot of space over the middle. I'm saying

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Speaker 2: that a lot lately. Yeah, and run after catch, I'm

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Speaker 2: saying that a lot lately.

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Speaker 1: You know, they said down, they're marking it at the

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Speaker 1: three yard line. So first and goal from the three

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Speaker 1: really success first team offense? Yeah you really? I mean

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Speaker 1: you pick up twenty two yards on that just how

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Speaker 1: you drew it up. Yep. First read ball came out boom,

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Speaker 1: and that is a what you would call chunk play.

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Speaker 1: It was he's got nausea. Harris went in the backfield

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Speaker 1: to his left. Let's see if they try to run

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Speaker 1: it here they do, and they do and he is in. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he was in pretty cleanly. I thought it might have

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Speaker 1: held up, but he was in pretty good. Two play

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Speaker 1: touchdowns dry from the twenty five. Okay, I like to

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Speaker 1: see that especially, I mean considering that the defense had,

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Speaker 1: you know, held up pretty well in seven shots when

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Speaker 1: they were running the ball down. So I bet that's

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Speaker 1: why they did it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I said, nause was like, hey, I got to

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Speaker 2: get in.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So setting it up here again at the twenty five.

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Speaker 2: Do you notice in seven shots, I'm sure you did

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Speaker 2: that twice in a row. They handed the ball with nausea,

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Speaker 2: he didn't get in. Then they trot Warren out hand

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Speaker 2: him in the ball and he does get it. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's just coach Tomlin saying, I noticed you didn't quite

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Speaker 2: get their nause but the other guy did.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: This is how he pokes at them, and you know,

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Speaker 2: get that competition going.

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Speaker 1: Ok. So we get the second team offense out there,

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Speaker 1: Calvin Austin down here to split to the left, Warren

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Speaker 1: just right of Mitch Trubisky. Here, you got Nickel out there. Yep,

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Speaker 1: a little blitz.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a sack. That would have been a second.

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Speaker 2: Tribsky kind of throws it away, maybe got quarterback. Even

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Speaker 2: got bumped on that one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, which isn't supposed to happen.

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Speaker 2: It is supposed to happen, but a lot of big

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Speaker 2: bodies moving pretty abruptly, so.

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Speaker 1: That you're gonna say that's second down. They're not gonna

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Speaker 1: mark the sack now calling it, calling it in completion. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's kind to the offense.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he might have I mean he might have thrown

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Speaker 2: it away. He's not gonna throw it and stands in

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Speaker 1: No, No, he just let that go. And there was

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Speaker 1: kind of a receiver in the area. Talem Warren was

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Speaker 1: there in the middle. So let's see what they got

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Speaker 1: up their sleeves. This time. You get Darnel Washed in

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Speaker 1: there out there, Warren in the slot. Yeah, at least

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Speaker 1: for now, it's like Spencer Anderson again at right tackle

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Speaker 1: here at the second unit. So that's not well, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna till you got yeah, okay, warrened on the market.

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Speaker 1: Is a nine yard gain to Warren. It's a really

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Speaker 1: good receiver. No, the Raven Clark in there right tackle,

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Speaker 1: it's now Spencer Anderson. I'd be a little nervous if

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Speaker 1: I was a little Raven.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, do you need four tackles if Anderson

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Speaker 2: can do that.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that you do. Yeah, probably not. And

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Speaker 1: he's making a little bit of money.

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Speaker 2: He's making more than a seventh round pay absolutely, and

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Speaker 2: you don't want to subject that seventh round pick potentially

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Speaker 2: to waivers.

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Speaker 1: So that's not gonna happen. Yeah. So yeah, and you

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Speaker 1: know he plays one position as a problem, right, that's

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Speaker 1: that's the thing. Yeah. Oh, look at this formation.

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Speaker 2: And More has already showed he could be a right tackle,

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Speaker 2: so he might be your fourth right there.

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Speaker 1: This is a definitely heavy run, heavy formation and show it.

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Speaker 1: But well they show it and Trubisky rolls out to

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Speaker 1: go left. It was Warren and Trubisky little naked bootleg there,

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Speaker 1: and they get that out there for the first down

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Speaker 1: pick up down to the eleven.

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Speaker 2: Good speed though by the two pursuit players there. Wallace

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm sure it's Land of Roberts and Roberts

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Speaker 1: yeah yeah, and that's who it is. So that's not

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Speaker 1: bad if you if if you could bring a Land

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Speaker 2: Right right right or situational heavy stuff or you know, okay.

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Speaker 1: This time for Bisky in the shotgun with McFarland to

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Speaker 1: his right. He's got trips receivers out to his left,

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Speaker 1: a single receiver out to the right. That's Gentry in

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Speaker 1: the short slot. There. He's changing the play up a

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Speaker 1: little bit here, defense showing blitz again. Here they come,

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Speaker 1: so you get it hot. Oh, he's going for the

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Speaker 1: going for the end zone. It might have been partial

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Speaker 1: throw away. Yeah, partial. He had Gentry down there with

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Speaker 1: lofted it up everybody. He was under the Yeah, overthrew

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Speaker 1: the six foot eight Zach Gentry by about five yards.

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Speaker 1: That was a throwaway. So good job by the defense

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Speaker 1: or that second unit of coming right at the blitz,

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Speaker 1: you know, coming at the at the snap and getting

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Speaker 1: pressure right away. Now Fojoko coming in to play the nose. Here,

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Speaker 1: let's see if he kicks the ball. Get that ball back.

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Speaker 1: That's back at the eleven. Now, Trubisky under center with

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Speaker 1: motions Gunneral Schefsky. He comes inside and that's going to

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Speaker 1: be a run but left out. Nice job, but the

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Speaker 1: defense is holding that to about a one yard gain.

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Speaker 2: That was watts. You can bottle that up pretty good. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: real basic, just zone run, not a lot of bells

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Speaker 2: and whistles on it, and didn't do much.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you're not even going to give him a gain

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Speaker 1: on that. One says third and ten, third and ten

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Speaker 1: at the eleven, maybe half a yard to half a football.

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Speaker 1: I guess they could still get the first without scoring.

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Speaker 1: They could, That would be awfully difficulty, have to get

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Speaker 1: it down inside the one. Pat Meyer in the huddle

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Speaker 1: with the offense there, taking a listen to see what

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Speaker 1: they're doing. He steps away from it. Okay, Trubisky is

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Speaker 1: now in the shotgun. He's got Jayleen Moren to his left,

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Speaker 1: to the right as well in line defenses. Okay, Tribisky

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Speaker 1: looking down. Oh that's eighty seven, I believe Yep, yep,

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Speaker 1: that's our guy, Rodney Williams making a play again. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it designed that very well. Trubisky read it out for

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Speaker 1: him the whole way. Yeah, the whole way was just

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Speaker 1: zeroed in on him and really good protection. Put it

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Speaker 1: in a spot we're only uh, we're only Williams could

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Speaker 1: catch the football there, nicely done. Good way to end

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Speaker 1: up again, Rodney Williams is not a throw.

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Speaker 2: How many positions have we talked about this? Yeah, Like

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Speaker 2: I didn't know much about him before camp, and now

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Speaker 2: he keeps showing up and it's just like the Barku conversation.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I mean some of these guys aren't going

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Speaker 1: to make it, no, you know, and you hope you

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Speaker 1: get him back on the practice squad.

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Speaker 2: But he's got a lean lower half. But he's not

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Speaker 2: bashful about throwing his body around.

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Speaker 1: He's knocking. Yeah, you know, he is tenacious, absolutely catches

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Speaker 1: the ball well, catch a ball well, which is a

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Speaker 1: big thing now for I think you.

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Speaker 2: Mentioned his speed earlier in the show. He was you know,

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Speaker 2: he tested well, right Yeah. Yeah, so good job.

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Speaker 1: Good practice it was, and that's gonna put that one

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Speaker 1: in the books. Here at Saint Vincent College, the rain

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Speaker 1: held off again. Yeah, they've been. They have been amazingly

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Speaker 1: fortunate here. Just uh yeah, another good practice. I like

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Speaker 1: that drill.

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Speaker 2: I like that drill too, Yeah, a good feel to it,

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Speaker 2: good tempo, aggressive, So they got one more practice, how

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Speaker 2: about that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Rodney Williams from Tennessee, Martin and his low forty

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Speaker 1: time of four or five. Oh nice, his they listed

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Speaker 1: forty to his official forty times four five to five.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure it's pro day.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the forty high from time there was four

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Speaker 2: Right in the middle of their mid five four or

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Speaker 1: I mean he looks like a for that's.

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Speaker 2: How he moves. Yeah, I mean, and he has to be.

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Speaker 2: He's not dark.

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Speaker 1: Watching full backslash wide receiver slash h back. I don't

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Speaker 1: see full back, but well, tight end is his primary position.

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Speaker 1: on the NFL dot Com. Jerome Ford obviously out, he's

436
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Speaker 1: with the calf issue. Elijah Moore Marquise Goodwin both out,

437
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Speaker 1: uh for a little while. Let's get that ribe. Yeah,

438
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Speaker 1: and Marquise Goodwin has blood clots, which is not good. Uh.

439
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Speaker 1: So that's two guys that you'd think have a pretty

440
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Speaker 1: good chance of being in the mix there with the

441
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Speaker 1: top five receivers. Uh, and their offensive lines a little

442
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Speaker 1: bang up. Jack Conklin's got a concussion things, So I

443
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Speaker 1: bet Chubb doesn't play. If Watson's not playing, why right,

444
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Speaker 1: well would you play the rest of it? You Cooper,

445
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Speaker 1: you're not going to play those guys.

446
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Speaker 2: Maybe Joku, maybe some of the top line maybe you know,

447
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Speaker 2: but right you're trotting out some backups for that game.

448
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Speaker 1: Uh. For the Eagles they're talking about there, there aren't

449
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Speaker 1: a lot of starting jobs up for grab.

450
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Speaker 2: But both safety spots, say safety linebackers kind of are

451
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Speaker 2: still Yeah, they go sign Miles Jack and Cunningham they are,

452
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Speaker 2: you know, not long ago they weren't happy their linebackers either.

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Speaker 1: They're saying reed Blankenship is built on his work from

454
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Speaker 1: last season and appears to have one of the jobs.

455
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Speaker 1: I assume that high on him. Yeah, it says the

456
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Speaker 1: other spot looks to be up for Grabsterrell Edmonds, of course,

457
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Speaker 1: the former Steeler who started it for the Steelers last

458
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Speaker 1: season and basically the last five seasons, has yet to

459
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Speaker 1: claim it.

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Speaker 2: That's surprising. Yeah, it just kind of penciled him in.

461
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Speaker 1: He's been pushed most of camp by special team standout

462
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Speaker 1: Kevon Wallace h plus lately by rookie Sidney Brown, the

463
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Speaker 1: third rounder.

464
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Speaker 2: From They have some options.

465
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he had the nine tackles in forty one defensive

466
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Speaker 1: snaps against the Ravens. He flies rounded. Yeah.

467
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Speaker 2: Oh he's a thumper, flier. Yeah, really good tester, a

468
00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,760
Speaker 2: little bit straight lineish, but I mean he brings it.

469
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Speaker 2: His brothers, the twin brothers, the running back for the Bengals.

470
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Speaker 2: But yeah, interesting story. Saw a lot of features on

471
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Speaker 2: them leading up the draft. They're real easy to root

472
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Speaker 2: for as well. I mean they each other. Yeah, yeah,

473
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Speaker 2: to Florida did it because they were you know, that

474
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Speaker 2: doesn't sound like Carell's guaranteed anything over there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be interesting. I can't imagine he gets cut, No,

476
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't think. But I mean he is making a

477
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Speaker 1: little money. Yeah, probably not not a ton, but he's

478
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Speaker 1: making a little bit for the Bengals. It looks like

479
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Speaker 1: their their storyline here and they play Friday night. I

480
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Speaker 1: believe where's that on here? They go? Understand if they're Friday,

481
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Speaker 1: they play at Atlanta. Okay, here's what the write up

482
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Speaker 1: says here. I think when quarterback Joe Burrow worked out

483
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Speaker 1: on the field before last week's preseason game, he knew

484
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Speaker 1: exactly what he was doing. Bengals fans probably needed that.

485
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Speaker 1: As as good as Burrow has been for them and

486
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Speaker 1: as shaky as the other quarterback options have looked thus far,

487
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,479
Speaker 1: neither Jake Browning or Trevor and Trevor Simmon played well

488
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Speaker 1: against the Packers, who field mostly backups on defense. Burrow's

489
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,480
Speaker 1: workout felt like a strong indication he'll be ready for

490
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Speaker 1: Week one, but I don't expect to see him in

491
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Speaker 1: the preseason. No, it looks like Simeon is going to

492
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Speaker 1: start this game for the for the Bengals.

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Speaker 2: So okay, I mean, who knows. We've talked about this

494
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Speaker 2: a lot, but I mean Steeler fans knows better than anyone.

495
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Speaker 2: I mean, the rust that the Bengals had in Week

496
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Speaker 2: one was obvious to me. In the Steelers he set out, Yeah,

497
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Speaker 2: that whole offense rested the whole time.

498
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Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely took advantage of it.

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Speaker 2: I was real curious before Borrow got hurt, would Taylor

500
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Speaker 2: coach Taylor play his offense more this year, just at

501
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Speaker 2: least a little, you know, because.

502
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Speaker 1: That went out the window.

503
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Speaker 2: And now, yeah, now your your quarterback got hurt, you know,

504
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Speaker 2: have any choice on that matter, and they might have.

505
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Speaker 1: I don't know about the worst backup situation in the year.

506
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Speaker 1: It's brutal, but it's pretty bad.

507
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Speaker 2: I mean maybe it's the biggest drop off other than

508
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Speaker 2: Kansas City.

509
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Speaker 1: Yeah, from Kansas City could have I don't know, Jacobe

510
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 1: brisettez there back and then still be right. But yeah,

511
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Speaker 1: I mean Trevor Simmon is not.

512
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Speaker 2: He's one of these guys that stays in the league

513
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Speaker 2: for a long time because he had a couple of

514
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Speaker 2: good games way back when, you know. Yeah, so that

515
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Speaker 2: I was a little shocked they didn't do more.

516
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it is surprising. I guess, you know, may

517
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Speaker 1: getting ready to pay him and that still hasn't happened yet.

518
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 1: I wonder, you know, they're saying here that Burrow worked

519
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,480
Speaker 1: out so hard last week on the field in pregame

520
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 1: warm ups because he wants to show he wanted to

521
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Speaker 1: show fans that he's going to be healthy. I wonder

522
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Speaker 1: if he wanted to say, hey, I'm going to be

523
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Speaker 1: back out here. How about that get me paid here soon? Maybe? Maybe?

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Speaker 2: Maybe you have to wonder, and I don't know, one

525
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Speaker 2: way or another, would the deal be signed already if

526
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Speaker 2: it wasn't for the injury? Yeah, I mean because Herbert

527
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Speaker 2: did hurts, did you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like it's an injury that you know,

529
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Speaker 1: keep him out at long term or anything like that.

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Speaker 1: So you wonder why they still wouldn't do the deal

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Speaker 1: and get done.

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Speaker 2: With I mean, let's the team doctors telling him, hey,

533
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Speaker 2: I'm not positive about week one, but still, I mean,

534
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Speaker 2: you're still a long term quarterback.

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Speaker 1: He's kidding. Yeah, it's gonna happen, but it just hasn't

536
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Speaker 1: happened yet. So the longer this gut drags out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, we knew it was going to be

538
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Speaker 2: this way, but it is concerning.

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Speaker 1: You know. The thing is, I mean, justin Herbert has

540
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Speaker 1: signed his deal, that kind of sets that you know,

541
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Speaker 1: bars have been set. You got the Lamar deal out there,

542
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Speaker 1: Burrows the last one that everybody's been waiting on here,

543
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Speaker 1: and give me two percent more than Herbert. Herbert got

544
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Speaker 1: his deal done. What's been two or.

545
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Speaker 2: Three weeks, was well before that, right, And I don't

546
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Speaker 2: think two was getting done from that draft class. He

547
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Speaker 2: needs to show another year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so, But I mean, you know, maybe

549
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Speaker 1: Burrow's asking for more than than they are willing to maybe.

550
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Speaker 2: I mean, anyone that pays any attention to the league

551
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Speaker 2: knows that the Brown family, the owner of the Bengals, are.

552
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Speaker 1: Hard to deal with.

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Speaker 2: They mean, they're very set in their ways. They have

554
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Speaker 2: their approach to things. They're not real flexible, is what

555
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Speaker 2: everyone will tell you. It's not like I've ever done

556
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Speaker 2: a contract with the Brown family. But if you look

557
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Speaker 2: in history, they've paid their quarterbacks. You know, they paid

558
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Speaker 2: Carson Palmer, you know. I mean, like, I'm sure they

559
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Speaker 2: have every intentions to What's interesting to me, though, is

560
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Speaker 2: they can wait a little on Chase, but Higgins is

561
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Speaker 2: up after this year, right, there's no I mean, I

562
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Speaker 2: guess you could franchise them, but franchise and receivers is

563
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Speaker 2: twenty million or so. I don't think Higgins returns.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's going to be an issue for them.

565
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Speaker 1: You know, can they keep me? And maybe that's one

566
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Speaker 1: of the things that's kind of holding this up here, Like, hey, Joe,

567
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Speaker 1: we can we can we knock a little bit off

568
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Speaker 1: here so we have Weigel room to keep Higgins, right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, like Mahomes took a little bit of a deal.

570
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Speaker 2: Brady historically has taken deals. If hey, if you want

571
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Speaker 2: to keep both your receivers, we need to structure this

572
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Speaker 2: a little differently at least. And if you remember, they

573
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Speaker 2: just resigned Logan Wilson, extended him and I think they

574
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Speaker 2: also give Hendrickson a deal this off season extended. So

575
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Speaker 2: they're probably thin on funds and they're definitely done buying

576
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 2: things from other team and future off season without a doubt, right.

577
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Speaker 1: And you got to get that deal done for the quarterback.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's again, they've gotten all these other deals done,

579
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Speaker 1: and that's the one that's been the hold up here.

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Speaker 1: You know. To me, that's that's gonna be fascinating to

581
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Speaker 1: see if they let this trail on into the season.

582
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Speaker 2: And for their say, hopefully he's ready for Week.

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Speaker 1: One, Monday Night, another standalone division. Yeah, absolutely, for the division.

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Speaker 1: The Ravens are at the Washington Commanders. They've been having

585
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Speaker 1: some joint practices. Yeah, well go figure some fights at

586
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Speaker 1: that practice. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I guess that makes sense too. And with the keys

588
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Speaker 2: for that one.

589
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Speaker 1: For the Ravens, it's JK. Dobbins coming off the pupplet

590
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,679
Speaker 1: is great news for the Ravens and they work through

591
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Speaker 1: their offensive issues while adjusting to a new system under

592
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Speaker 1: offensive coordinator Todd Monkin. But it also potentially sets up

593
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Speaker 1: a preseason battle for the final final running back roster

594
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 1: or running back spot on the roster, with multiple candidates

595
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Speaker 1: the final spot, and this is his guest, the final

596
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: spot could come down to veteran Melvin Gordon versus undrafted

597
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Speaker 1: rookie Keaton Mitchell. It's also possible that neither is kept. Wow.

598
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Speaker 1: Both were corraled in the second half against the Eagles

599
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 1: last week, running behind port blocking. Gordon received positive feedback

600
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Speaker 1: in August after a nightmarage twenty twenty two season, but

601
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Speaker 1: Mitchell's speed and returnability off of the Ravens more of

602
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Speaker 1: a counterpoint to they're more established backs such as Dobbins

603
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Speaker 1: and Gus Edwards. If Mitchell stands out versus Washington, it

604
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Speaker 1: couldn't prove his chances to make it. Well. They've also

605
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Speaker 1: got who's the other speedback that they have Hill, Justice,

606
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Speaker 1: Justice Hill. I think he ran two of those guys.

607
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I don't know what's interesting is you know

608
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 2: this is what applies to Steelers too, But that third

609
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Speaker 2: back has to be a good special team or Melvioln.

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Speaker 1: Gordon's not to.

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Speaker 2: Give you anything, can give you a thing on special

612
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Speaker 2: team and not the most Edwidge isn't going to get

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Speaker 2: you out. And Gordon, I mean he's had a pretty

614
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Speaker 2: good careers, you know, his first round pick, he's had

615
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 2: a good career, he's had success in this league. And

616
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Speaker 2: you're throwing them out there with the threes behind a

617
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 2: garbage offensive line and you know, like just getting beat up.

618
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 2: Like that's a tough situation to handle. I am interested

619
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Speaker 2: with that one more than the other teams in the division.

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Speaker 2: I would be more apt to play Odell Lamar. I

621
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Speaker 2: mean that's what I want to see.

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Speaker 1: That's yeah. I want to see their first team offense

623
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Speaker 1: on the field, because we didn't see it last week. No,

624
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Speaker 1: it's a new offense. I was, I would guess that

625
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Speaker 1: that they're going to play those guys this week because

626
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Speaker 1: Huntley's out.

627
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Speaker 2: Now, Huntley's okay, I didn't realize it.

628
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Speaker 1: He's got a hamstring. He played. He played in the

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Speaker 1: second half as it was. I wonder everything I read

630
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Speaker 1: about that is he's the clear two.

631
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Speaker 2: I thought so, but then he didn't start.

632
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Speaker 1: I wonder how much of that is horriball trying to

633
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Speaker 1: keep his what's twenty four consecutive games they've won. It

634
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Speaker 1: would be so harball like to bring your best quarterback

635
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Speaker 1: out do something like that in a meaningless preseason game

636
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 1: out you know, it's just like him running having Lamar

637
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Speaker 1: run the ball at the end of a game so

638
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: they could keep their one hundred yards streaking. Nobody knew

639
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: anything about the record at the time. I'm using record

640
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: and air quotes here was by the Steelers in like seventies,

641
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 1: in the seventies, at some point one hundred yard games

642
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 1: rushing games in a row as a team, and Harbaugh

643
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: ran a little. He had Lamar go out and run a.

644
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Speaker 2: Play totally meaningless, right, I don't think anybody else knew why,

645
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 2: except for him and maybe a statistician or something.

646
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: In his ear again. The Steelers held the record, and

647
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: nobody in Pittsburg knew anything about it, all right, right,

648
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, it's not a record.

649
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Speaker 2: I hadn't thought of that angle with the quarterback though,

650
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Speaker 2: but I bet that's what's going on.

651
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Speaker 1: Yeah. They put Huntley out there with a bunch of

652
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Speaker 1: backups and he pulls his hamstring.

653
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Speaker 2: He pulls, right, that's what you get. So I would

654
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 2: bet Lamar. I don't know bout Odell or Dobbins, but

655
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Speaker 2: Dobbin's probably not probably right, Yeah, but I would play

656
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Speaker 2: some of your starters on offense.

657
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Speaker 1: And what do they do with Dobbes? I mean it's

658
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Speaker 1: a similar situation to Burrow here where you haven't given

659
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Speaker 1: him a new contract yet. Are you very similar to

660
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Speaker 1: Jonathan Taylor? Very similar?

661
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Speaker 2: I mean that's why he's on pop supposedly, is because

662
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 2: he's unhappy, not that he's Is he particularly into.

663
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Speaker 1: Is he gonna come back and say shut it down

664
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Speaker 1: after a week? Oh my hamster? Yeah?

665
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean him and Taylor have not the right

666
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 2: to do that, but they have the option to do that.

667
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 2: You know, Like, sorry, I can't go I'm not feeling it,

668
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 2: you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just wonder if you know any little situation

670
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Speaker 1: where you're nicked up or anything like that. Yeah, I'm

671
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: not gonna run this. I'm not gonna go this week.

672
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Speaker 1: I'm I don't have a contract for next year.

673
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's sticky with his running back situation.

674
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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely is. And I I understand they have a

675
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Speaker 1: contract and they should fulfill the contract.

676
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Speaker 2: Right earning potentials brief and really is I mean, and

677
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Speaker 2: who's to say, but Nausey is a year away from

678
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 2: those guys, you know, I mean this time next year

679
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Speaker 2: we having a conversation about him. Is that going to

680
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Speaker 2: be the regular for starting running backs? When they get

681
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 2: to that what third year or fourth year? That going

682
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Speaker 2: in to that year that they're gonna make a stink

683
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 2: because it's really their last chance in a way, I will.

684
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Speaker 1: Say that Harris when he came out, he signed a

685
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Speaker 1: four year, thirteen million dollar contract. It included a six

686
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Speaker 1: point eight million dollar signing bonus. Fully guaranteed the contract

687
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: is the contract was fully guaranteed. Okay, So I mean

688
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 1: it's not like the Steelers didn't take care of Naugy.

689
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Speaker 1: He came right right right coming out of the draft.

690
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Speaker 2: I mean, if he got catastrophically injured or whatever, he'd

691
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 2: still be getting all that money.

692
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Speaker 1: He'd still get the third. That's the one thing that people,

693
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Speaker 1: I think a lot of times don't understand about NFL

694
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: contracts is so, I mean, so little of that money.

695
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: That's what the guarantees. Why guys are so concerned about

696
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Speaker 1: the guarantees. But it's really difficult for the teams to

697
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Speaker 1: fully guarantee contracts like that, oh right, because that's you're

698
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: gonna pay that against your salary cap and you don't

699
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Speaker 1: know if you're gonna have the player, know if you

700
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Speaker 1: have the player.

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Speaker 2: There's a flip side of that too, that like applies

702
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Speaker 2: to Burrow. Lamar hurts that we're talking about that. You know, yes,

703
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Speaker 2: Watson got a fully guaranteed contract, and teams aren't going

704
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Speaker 2: to do that to that extent. But the only way

705
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Speaker 2: you don't get your money is if you get cut.

706
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Speaker 2: I mean, like, Lamar's not getting cut the next two years, right,

707
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Speaker 2: I mean right, maybe he could in four years, but

708
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Speaker 2: you know, the last year of his contract or something.

709
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Speaker 2: But there's no way on earth the Bengals are cutting

710
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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow or the Chargers are cutting Herbert in the

711
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 2: next two years. Yeah, unless he did something horrible off

712
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Speaker 2: the field.

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Speaker 1: That was the nausea hair or the Le'Veon Bell argument, Like,

714
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: if the Steelers sign you to a new a four

715
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: year deal, which I believe was what they were offering reserves,

716
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Speaker 1: you're gonna seem at the very least most of that money.

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Speaker 2: You might not say it's guaranteed, but you're gonna make

718
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 2: the team. Yeah, right, you know what I mean?

719
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Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, I don't know. I mean, I get

720
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: I get both sides of the argument about the contract stuff.

721
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Speaker 2: Especially the running back situations.

722
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Speaker 1: The players should earn as much as they can, and

723
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Speaker 1: you're worth whatever some team is willing to pay you.

724
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Speaker 1: But but there's a lot of running back out. Fully

725
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: guaranteed contracts in the NFL are really difficult, and I

726
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: don't know what's willing to sign a one or two

727
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: year deal right right.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on with Dobbins, but that

729
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 2: seems hairrier than we know.

730
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that if it was me, that's what

731
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Speaker 1: I would do. And I understand that the players want

732
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: the financial secure long term financial security, of course, but

733
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Speaker 1: sign you want you want to fully guaranteed money, sign one.

734
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Speaker 2: Year deals getting franchises in the world either, because that

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Speaker 2: is guaranteed.

736
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Speaker 1: You know, that's you know, I had that discussion with

737
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Speaker 1: Bud Dupree when he got franchise. He's like, yeah, that's great.

738
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Speaker 1: That's more money I've ever made. Yeah.

739
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he wasn't at the level of some

740
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Speaker 2: of these superstars. But still, I mean, right, that's guaranteed

741
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 2: money and it's the biggest check I've ever seen. Why

742
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 2: am I complaining about that? Yeah? Who's I gonna mention with? Oh,

743
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 2: like Saquon and Josh Jacobs, you know, we're really unhappy

744
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 2: with the franchise deal. But Saquon basically he restructured his

745
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 2: deal and there's still ten million. It's still it's like

746
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Speaker 2: the exact same contract. I mean they changed PA a

747
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 2: little bit.

748
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you get like an extra million out of the deal.

749
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's an extra million. And now that

750
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Speaker 2: he would have got and we you know, after the

751
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 2: season or whatever. Yeah, they're late in the season.

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00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,439
Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh, Steelers wrapping up the training camp practice. Still

753
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:09,959
Speaker 1: a lot of guys out here working on the field,

754
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 1: some families out there as well, but the Steelers finishing up.

755
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 1: See of course, Mika Fitzpatrick is still out there getting

756
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Speaker 1: some work in. But that's been the norm. No offensive

757
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: line over over here to where are left out there working, But.

758
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 2: That's been the norm, right, So yeah, the edge rushers

759
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 2: look like they're done doing their routine, but they're out

760
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 2: there all the time. Mica was the last guy in

761
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Speaker 2: the field last year yesterday, Yeah, and he often is.

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Speaker 1: That's right. You know.

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Speaker 2: He had a tremendous practice yesterday too, he did.

764
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Speaker 1: I mean he's he was sniffing stuff out and yeah,

765
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Speaker 1: making play, making plays all over the field. But we're

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Speaker 1: gonna take a break. H he has Matt Williamson. I

767
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Speaker 1: am Dale Lully. We are live from Steelers training camp

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Speaker 1: at Sint Fenci College on ESPN nine to seventy and

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Speaker 1: Steelers Nation Radio. We'll be back with more right after this.

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Speaker 1: We are back. He is Williamson. I am Dale Lalling

771
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Speaker 1: listening to the drive here on Steelers Nation Radio in

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Speaker 1: ESPN ninety seven. Still some players rounding around the field

773
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Speaker 1: around here. Yeah, Kenny just came to the side and

774
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: as you could play, it is a mob over here

775
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 1: to our right. Is that Kenny Pickett over there signing autographs?

776
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:20,879
Speaker 1: And I Matt, I wanted to kind of popular around

777
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: here a little bit, yeah, a little bet, people holding

778
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: up jerseys and oh yeah yeah, all kinds of stuff.

779
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 2: I know when you stop, I mean, ever bet if

780
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Speaker 2: you're in that situation, like eventually you guys say say

781
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 2: no and walk away, but you could be there for years.

782
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: There's easily like well over two thousand people over there,

783
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: sign for every one of them and be here until

784
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Speaker 1: right Yeah. Ross Tucker on the thirty third team, Matt Yeah,

785
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Speaker 1: get him a Five players who could break out in

786
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: year two? Okay? Nice? Uh? Kenny Pickett I don't believe

787
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 1: is on this list, but there is another Steelers list,

788
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: and that is George Picktens.

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Speaker 2: I can sure see it.

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00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,800
Speaker 1: If George Pickens breaks out, yeah, that means Kenny Pickett

791
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: probably broke out as well. Probably.

792
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,959
Speaker 2: I mean there's obviously hand in hand there with those situations.

793
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 2: Pickens is a tremendous talent. And didn't Kenny say he's

794
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 2: the most athletic guy he's ever played with or something

795
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 2: along those. Yeah, and he really is a specimen. People

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Speaker 2: forget it. Sounds like I'm being critical of his rookie season,

797
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 2: but he played like twenty four snaps his last year

798
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,320
Speaker 2: at Georgia and was coming off a knee injury. Yeah, otherwise,

799
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Speaker 2: like the tenth pick of the draft, you know what

800
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Speaker 2: I mean. Like so, he didn't do have a real

801
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 2: diverse route tree, and I think they kept it simple

802
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 2: for him for some of those reasons. And his numbers

803
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 2: versus zone coverage aren't nearly as good as Man, But

804
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 2: those are the type of things you get with experience.

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00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:54,760
Speaker 2: And we're seeing him with more inbreakers, you know, less

806
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 2: comebacks and goes.

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00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 1: We're seeing a lot more from him.

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00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 2: Everyone saw much more diverse route much more, and everyone

809
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 2: saw the the after the catch stuff in the game,

810
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 2: and that was a play that simply wasn't on the

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00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 2: table for them last year. Yeah, so I absolutely could

812
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 2: see a breakout. And he's competitive as can be. He

813
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:13,959
Speaker 2: wants to be great and he can be great.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm just looking here at his draft profile on

815
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Speaker 1: NFL dot Com. Again, this is less than a year removed.

816
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: That's from a torn acl R four four seven in

817
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 1: the forty yard desh. The ten yard split was only one.

818
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 2: What was his weight and height? Again, he was at.

819
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Speaker 1: Six three and ninety five pounds.

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Speaker 2: I know he was quite six three.

821
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Speaker 1: Thirty three inch vertical jump, a ten to five on

822
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Speaker 1: the broad jump. So again, those are explosive numbers from

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Speaker 1: a guy who was less than a year removed from

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Speaker 1: an ACL injury.

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Speaker 2: Sure you got to count what he is now, right

826
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 2: or if he trained for it now and practices article,

827
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 2: which why would he? But in terms of athleticism and stuff,

828
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Speaker 2: that was not his peak at the combine.

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Speaker 1: Lance Haid Lancier line who we have a lot of respect.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he does good job.

831
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Speaker 1: Had him graded as a six two three, which means

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00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 1: he will eventually be an average starter. Okay, in his

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00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: comparison for him is comp he does always does it,

834
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: especially for the top guys. Josh Reynolds.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that's about the lowest I've heard, opinion I've heard

836
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Speaker 2: of him. To be honest with you, I don't know

837
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Speaker 2: who a better comparison is, but I think he's a

838
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 2: prototypical on the line X receiver.

839
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Speaker 1: I mean a lot of people in Georgia compared him

840
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 1: to a J. Brown for a J.

841
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Speaker 2: Green, which is rich. I mean that guy's a had

842
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 2: a near Hall of Fame career. But I do think

843
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:43,320
Speaker 2: he's capable of those things.

844
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Speaker 1: I mean, type wise, they're very similar. Some of the

845
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Speaker 1: kts things that he does. Spectacular stuff does look like.

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00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: Here's some of the things that that landsfor said about

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00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: it today. Lanky, perimeter wide out with the sighting ball skills,

848
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: but in desperate need of additional play strength and a

849
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: clean bill of health, clean bill of health egg Yeah,

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00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: I mean at that point resilient to make it back

851
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: so quickly after the acl taar, but needs to show

852
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 1: quick cutting ability for route running. Pickens possesses borderline elite

853
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 1: ball skills with in air adjustments, strong hands, and an

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00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: enormous catch radius. And we see that.

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Speaker 2: The one thing I have a problem with with that

856
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 2: right up is I don never saw him as a

857
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 2: weak player. No I mentioned play strength is a big problem.

858
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 2: I never saw it that way.

859
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:30,839
Speaker 1: No, I didn't either.

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00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 2: Like Josh Reynolds has gets pushed around because he's.

861
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Speaker 1: Skinny, he fails to put defenders on his hip and

862
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: command the catch space to make his work less cluttered.

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Speaker 1: We've seen a little bit of that. He doesn't get

864
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Speaker 1: great separation, No, he has not yet. But again the

865
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,720
Speaker 1: catch radius and his ability to just the strong hands,

866
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: like you've seen him take the ball away from defensive players.

867
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:57,959
Speaker 2: Oh, tons, tons, tons, And I think the separation should come.

868
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 2: I'm not going to guarantee that he's gonna separate late Deontae,

869
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 2: but it should come.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I agree. I mean, you know, he's in

871
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: line to break out here.

872
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 2: Greg Cosell, who as everyone knows we have great respect for,

873
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 2: had him as his number one receiver coming out though,

874
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 2: Yeah a year ago.

875
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 2: Uh.

877
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 1: Some of the other guys on this list, or some

878
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: other guys in the division, one of those being Kyle

879
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 1: Hamilton down in Baltimore.

880
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 2: We've been discussing him a lot because of the Humphrey injury. Yea,

881
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 2: they made a good rookie year.

882
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: They're going to need him to be really good this year.

883
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 2: I Humphreys up, and I wonder that he start getting

884
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 2: more reps back in the slot, which was what.

885
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 1: They did with them last year.

886
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 2: Chuck Clark anymore though, Chuck Clark, I mean they planned

887
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 2: on him and Marcus Williams being traditional really good pair

888
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,479
Speaker 2: of safeties, which is what he did so well Notre Dame.

889
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 2: All kinds of tools, I mean, like pickings, I mean,

890
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 2: like a rare physical you know profile. I'd be shocked

891
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 2: if he's not a.

892
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 1: Very good player. Yeah, no, he should be. I mean,

893
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: he's fourteenth pick in his draft, right, you better be.

894
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 2: I mean he's as good as safety prospect as you

895
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 2: pretty much see.

896
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: He has Brian Robinson, the running back for the Commanders,

897
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: on it list.

898
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 2: People forget he got shot. He shot right, like three

899
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:14,919
Speaker 2: bullets were indom I think it's like, uh.

900
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: That was like two weeks before the season started.

901
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 2: Or something like this time of year. I think he

902
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 2: missed like middle.

903
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: Like four weeks and was back playing football right a month.

904
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 1: I mean I never loved him before it though, you know,

905
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,439
Speaker 1: like I don't see a dynamic player there.

906
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 2: I think he's kind of a plotter. But we can't

907
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 2: forget that. I mean obviously that the reeled is rookie

908
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 2: season too. It's not like we had a body of

909
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 2: work to go off at the NFL level before the incident.

910
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, he got shot, he got shot. Yeah. He also

911
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: has on this list Jordan Davis with the Eagles.

912
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 2: And Ross is very very dialed in with the Eagles.

913
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 2: He lives on the other side of the state, and

914
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 2: I know Ross well. Then he does a lot of

915
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 2: work with the Eagles, gets a lot inside knowledge. If

916
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 2: he puts an Eagle on the list, expect that to

917
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,399
Speaker 2: come to everybody expects Jordan Davis. Wow, that's not going

918
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 2: out on a real weak lamb either. I mean, what

919
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,879
Speaker 2: was he last year? The but he was. They weren't

920
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 2: thrilled with his rookie year.

921
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: They weren't.

922
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 2: I mean they signed Sue, they signed uh who is

923
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 2: the other big defensive tackle they signed because Davis wasn't

924
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 2: plugging the way they wanted. These Georgia defenders have not

925
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 2: hit that the pace people think. No, they haven't. I

926
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,720
Speaker 2: mean the Kobe Dean just got kind of bench. Trevon

927
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:28,839
Speaker 2: Walker didn't do a ton as a rookie. Like these

928
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 2: high high picks in Georgia's defense, they're not disappointing, but

929
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:33,839
Speaker 2: there's a bit of a trend here.

930
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 1: Yeah. And his final guy on here is Evan Neil,

931
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: the offensive tackle with the Giants.

932
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 2: And Ross really knows o line play. But Neil was

933
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 2: awful as a rookie, I mean really really bad. But

934
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 2: so was his counterpart, another Georgia guy, Andrew Thomas, who

935
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Speaker 2: just became the richest tackle in history. A rookie tackle

936
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 2: struggling is not uncommon.

937
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: No, that's why the people trying to rush another George

938
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,320
Speaker 1: Jones right in front of us up, Like, the Steelers

939
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:00,879
Speaker 1: are gonna be cautious with this, They're going to slow

940
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: play it. And I don't know that I have a

941
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: problem with that. You just don't want to throw him

942
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: in there as well. We took him in the first round,

943
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: so he should start sink or swim, right. It's not

944
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 1: like yeah, it's not like they were unhappy, No, not

945
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 1: even a little bit right with Dan Moore. So you know,

946
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 1: there's no reason to rush that if he's not ready,

947
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:22,839
Speaker 1: and you know, maybe set have set him back another year.

948
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 2: If Neil worries me after that year, Like, boy, he

949
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 2: had a lot of technique and you know, dropping his

950
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 2: head a lot, and.

951
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: For him to fell a bad habit. He was moving

952
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 1: from left tackle in college to right to right. Yeah, exactly.

953
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: And that's one thing. One more thing, yea. One thing

954
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 1: that the Steelers have done is just played Broderick Jones

955
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 1: at left.

956
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 2: Tackle and make it more sweat here and there and right.

957
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 1: Eventually, maybe that's maybe they make that move and have

958
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 1: him if he's not the starter ready. I don't think

959
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: they're going to though nothing. I think they talk the left. Yeah,

960
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: and maybe that's why we've seen so much of Spencer

961
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:54,839
Speaker 1: Anderson at right.

962
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 2: Tack good point, good point. Yeah, that all adds up,

963
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 2: as does Jones playing the most snaps of any of

964
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 2: the offensive players in the first game, you know, in

965
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 2: the extreme heat, he played like twenty snaps more.

966
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 1: Anybody else played forty nine STAPs. Second was Spencer Anderson. Ok. Yeah, so,

967
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Speaker 1: I mean those two guys got a lot of run

968
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,359
Speaker 1: in that game. And you know if you got if

969
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: you got two offensive linemen out of that draft, oh man,

970
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Speaker 1: that would be tremendous. Right.

971
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 2: No, I think they have very high hopes for Jones,

972
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,479
Speaker 2: as do I. But he's not there yet.

973
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Speaker 1: He's not there yet. Don't rush it. Let it happen organically,

974
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Speaker 1: Just slit it happen. You'll know when he's ready, I'm sure.

975
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Speaker 2: I mean, he's gonna demand playing time when the time comes,

976
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 2: but it's not there quite yet. And the one thing

977
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 2: he plays a ton against Buffalo too.

978
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Speaker 1: You know, Dan Moore's taking every snap the last two

979
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 1: seasons basically, right, He's been highly durable and you know.

980
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Speaker 2: Something he said for that, But is it going to

981
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 2: keep up?

982
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 1: I mean he knows yes, So anyway, we're gonna take

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