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Speaker 1: dot com. Turning now to insider trading, our great friend

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Speaker 1: of the show, Philip Wegman out with a great story

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Speaker 1: over the Wall Street Journal. Let's put it up here

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Speaker 1: on the screen. The New Washington Temptation Inside Information and

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Speaker 1: a Prediction market account, and they detail multiple instances inside

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Speaker 1: the White House or around the White House, members of

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Speaker 1: Congress and others who are complicit and or allegedly complicit

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Speaker 1: in insider trading, with some very eyebrow raising accusation. So

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Speaker 1: let's start with the first one, which is inside the

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Speaker 1: White House back in March people or back in April,

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Speaker 1: people began to panic why because they found multiple suspicious

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Speaker 1: trades on polymarket, where anonymous accounts made over six hundred

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars correctly betting on an April ceasefire announcement. Because

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Speaker 1: of Polymarket's anonymity, whenever it comes to their account status,

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Speaker 1: they have no idea who these people were. All they

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Speaker 1: were able to do was released a March memo telling

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Speaker 1: staff they are prohibited from using non public information for

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Speaker 1: financial benefit. However, there are a few other interesting ones.

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Speaker 1: Let's put the next one up there on the screen.

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Speaker 1: They talk here about how an anecdote over lunch at

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Speaker 1: the stowball House, a popular members only social club in Tampa.

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Speaker 1: US Representative Anna Paulina Luna of Florida told associates in

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Speaker 1: the summer of twenty twenty four that she knew Trump

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Speaker 1: would choose Vance to be his vice president. According to

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Speaker 1: people familiar with the common station, she said she had

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Speaker 1: tipped off Rogan o'handley, a popular MAGA influencer known as

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Speaker 1: d C Draino, about Trump's pending decision, so that he

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Speaker 1: could use the information to place a winning bet on Polymarket.

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Speaker 1: Now to be clear, Poullinea, Luna, and o'hanley both deny

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Speaker 1: the accusation, and apparently it is being investigated by the CFTC,

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Speaker 1: the Commodity's Future Trading Commission. Apparently she has filed some

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Speaker 1: separate thing where she says it's a fault ascusation. I'm

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Speaker 1: just laying out the details. Oh Handling, by the way,

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Speaker 1: has separately told associates that he was behind a long

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Speaker 1: shot attempt, mostly by social media, to get Trump to

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Speaker 1: consider Luna as his running mate, and when the Congressman

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Speaker 1: told o'hanley that Provance would get the nod instead, he

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Speaker 1: placed a winning bet on polymarket the person set. Again,

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Speaker 1: they have denied it, but that's one little anecdote that

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Speaker 1: we have over there. We also have D three, just

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Speaker 1: probably the most insane example that I've ever seen. Trump's

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Speaker 1: teleprompter operator is now on unpaid leave for alleged prediction

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Speaker 1: market bets on Trump speeches. And apparently it's not the

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Speaker 1: White House that flag this, it was Calshi, the cheap

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Speaker 1: enforcement officer over at Calshi contact federal regulators about bets

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Speaker 1: allegedly made about what the President would say in a

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Speaker 1: public address. The White House Press secretary said the president

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Speaker 1: is aware of the situation, which she described as unfortunate

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Speaker 1: and a disgrace, but has not yet said that he

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Speaker 1: would be fired. ABC News had reported Thursday that Gabriel Perez,

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Speaker 1: who has been operating Trump's telepromter since twenty sixteen, used

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Speaker 1: betting on what the president would say in big speeches.

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Speaker 1: The chief enforcement officer of CALSHI said that their surveillance

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Speaker 1: team flagged, investigated, and referred those trades to the CFTC.

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Speaker 1: But you could see pretty specific and this is where

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Speaker 1: CALSHI look. I guess good for you, thank you for

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Speaker 1: reporting this. But why do we have prediction markets? One

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Speaker 1: Trump is going to say, period in every single speech

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Speaker 1: that he says. Markets on the number of times that

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Speaker 1: he'll say these things. And by the way, there are

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Speaker 1: viral reels or tiktoks all over of guys who are

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Speaker 1: sitting there betting on Trump saying the word low IQ

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Speaker 1: or something like that this week, and then sitting there

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Speaker 1: almost certain that they're paid by some company or others

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Speaker 1: like this is too how you can get rich betting

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Speaker 1: on these prediction markets. I mean it's scum behave anybody

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Speaker 1: else see all the Calshi advertising around the wall what

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Speaker 1: old Timothy Shallomey man that will hurt. That one hurt.

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Speaker 1: I'll be honest. I love shallameg so seeing the Calci

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Speaker 1: commercial it killed me. But look, this is the reality.

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Speaker 1: It's a sports betting playbook. You know, they allegedly report

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Speaker 1: these types of things, But nobody asked the bigger question,

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Speaker 1: why do we have this in the first place? Why

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Speaker 1: I mean all kinds of stuff like.

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Speaker 2: Well, another good one. Remember our old friend Mark Moran,

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Speaker 2: who was so this is the guy who is I

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Speaker 2: guess running for Senate in Virginia as an independent. He

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Speaker 2: put on that weird video that our rooms saying it

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Speaker 2: already gotten caught for allegedly insider trading, and he came

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Speaker 2: out said, oh, I was doing it to prove a

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Speaker 2: point about how bad this is. Okay, well, he's another

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Speaker 2: one who's in here who got a tip from someone

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Speaker 2: who worked at Heritage Foundation. He alleges it was this guy,

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Speaker 2: Jake Denton. Jake Denton denies it that Vance was going

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Speaker 2: to be the VP. He placed a bet and told

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Speaker 2: some other friends that they should get in on the

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Speaker 2: action based on this intel from the Heritage Foundation. And

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Speaker 2: you know, it was in the grand scheme of things.

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Speaker 2: As far as these things go. Small potatoes made over

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Speaker 2: endemic this is, though, because I keep thinking about, you know,

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Speaker 2: we're getting these like basically penny ante examples of this.

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Speaker 2: You know, the teleprompter operator making one hundred grand. There's

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Speaker 2: a lot of money for most Peopleeole. But you've got

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Speaker 2: people who are making millions in these schemes. You had

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Speaker 2: that sixty minutes report that connected nine different accounts who

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Speaker 2: were making millions betting on different military operations with a

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Speaker 2: ninety eight percent success rate. You're telling me they're just

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Speaker 2: getting lucky, of course not. These are insiders who are

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Speaker 2: racking up millions of dollars. And then of course you

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Speaker 2: couple on top of that, like hot there all of

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Speaker 2: the market manipulations from Trump. You think they're not profiting

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Speaker 2: on all of these tweets that come out from Trump

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Speaker 2: talking about different companies, talking about whatever's happening with the

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Speaker 2: Iran war, et cetera, and the latest sort of overt

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Speaker 2: on the screen. I mean, again, this is just so

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Speaker 2: incredibly scummy that this is our economy now. Trump Media

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Speaker 2: pitched one hundred thousand dollars monthly fee for a fastest

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Speaker 2: feed of the US president's post. And this is explicitly

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Speaker 2: why would you pay one hundred thousand dollars for that?

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Speaker 2: Because you want a month trade of right, a month

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Speaker 2: so that you could trade off it so that you

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Speaker 2: could be the first one into the market. After Trump

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Speaker 2: tweets out like hey loving Microsoft this month or whatever

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Speaker 2: it is that he puts in.

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Speaker 1: The right rore on oil, I mean, you're an if

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Speaker 1: you're an oil trader. Have you ever read the book

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Speaker 1: Flashboys by Michael Lewis. It was a very very good book.

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Speaker 1: I came out I'm probably almost fifteen years ago at

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Speaker 1: this point. I'm sure things have changed, but he detailed

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Speaker 1: the original kind of high frequency trading and what you're

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Speaker 1: talking about the first to market news were even milliseconds

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Speaker 1: make a difference because that way you can place microbats

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Speaker 1: so physically at tax on the entire market syst that's

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Speaker 1: what this is. It's overt They're literally like, hey, we

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Speaker 1: have a post which we know will be market moving,

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Speaker 1: and you have to pay first to get access to it. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: I mean makes sense if you're a private company and

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Speaker 1: you're aggregating this information, not when you're the person creating

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Speaker 1: the information and then selling for the right to do it,

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Speaker 1: especially whenever you are the president of the United States. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I mean, look, it's exactly as you said where yeah, look,

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Speaker 1: I don't mean to downplay it, as you said, one

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Speaker 1: people out there making hundreds of millions of dollars in

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Speaker 1: bets on oil, which we all know it's out in

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Speaker 1: the open. We've done segments on this in the first place.

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Speaker 1: So it's both at the micro and the macro level.

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Speaker 1: If anything, you're like, why are you selling this money

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Speaker 1: for so little? And just to give everybody an inside

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Speaker 1: thing stopping me from making a shit pot of money

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Speaker 1: on Grand Platner dropping out is my own ethics. That

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Speaker 1: but it shouldn't be that way because guess what, Ryan

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Speaker 1: and we talked about this on AMA. Ryan had heard

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Speaker 1: with Weed. I remember reporting out that Weed story about

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Speaker 1: how Trump was going to reschedule Weed. I was on

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Speaker 1: just doing my job. Nothing stopped me from making ninety

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Speaker 1: so did our whole crew over here. Well that's not

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Speaker 1: fair because it's not it's a public marketplace, which means

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Speaker 1: we're basically stealing moneycause a paramutual trade. We're taking somebody

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Speaker 1: else's money. Yeah, you know from this that shows you

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Speaker 1: make a one percent on my money, which please contact

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Speaker 1: me for personal financial advice if that's somebody else you

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Speaker 1: know who's doing something like that. But you do have

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Speaker 1: a lot of dumb money which is out there in

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Speaker 1: good faith with no inside info, which is trading on

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Speaker 1: this stuff. And is it really fair that I could

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Speaker 1: steal that person's money just because of the job that

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Speaker 1: I have. I don't think so, I just don't.

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Speaker 2: It's only going to get worse. I mean, as the

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Speaker 2: economic situation becomes worse, as people become more hopeless, as

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Speaker 2: AI takes jobs this as the more desperate people are,

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Speaker 2: the more these markets will flourish, and the more that

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Speaker 2: the money of the lower classes will be funneled into

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Speaker 2: the pockets of insiders. I mean, that's what's going on here.

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Speaker 2: You see it so clearly that you know, pay one

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Speaker 2: Last week we covered the killing of an immigrant in

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Speaker 2: This is the man who was hired by Ice. Let's

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Speaker 6: but they have emergency lights and siren. So when they

434
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Speaker 6: post some mother they want to activate the emergency lights.

435
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Speaker 6: A lot of a lot of police departments say, hey,

436
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Speaker 6: I'm in New York City right now. A lot of

437
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Speaker 6: NYPD officers are driving on marked vehicles and that helps

438
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Speaker 6: them find people that don't want to be found, right, So,

439
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Speaker 6: you know. But bottom line is, we'll see when the

440
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Speaker 6: investigation plays out, but they would be live today if

441
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Speaker 6: they simply complied with a vehicle stop by federal law

442
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Speaker 6: enforce notic just comply you can if you don't think

443
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Speaker 6: you're being treated right and they had no reason to

444
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Speaker 6: stop you, then there's there's avenues that take them in

445
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Speaker 6: the court to sue.

446
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Speaker 5: The family of the man in Houston, so he thought

447
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:05,399
Speaker 5: he was being robbed because it was an unmarked vehicle,

448
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:07,880
Speaker 5: not that it was law enforcement at all.

449
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Speaker 6: They had emergency lights. They activate emergency lights, blue light.

450
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Speaker 6: You know, you know in my vehicle, I drive Worm

451
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Speaker 6: with my security details.

452
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Speaker 5: You've seen that on video.

453
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Speaker 6: Because we have seen what on video, men.

454
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Speaker 5: That there were lights, because in the videos that we've

455
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Speaker 5: seen there aren't, and because there weren't body cameras, it

456
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Speaker 5: is hard to substantiate some of what you were saying.

457
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Speaker 6: Okay, well, I have not seen the videos, but I'm

458
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Speaker 6: saying our vehicles are equipped to emergency lights. Now, if

459
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Speaker 6: they didn't activate the lights, again, I haven't seen that video.

460
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Speaker 6: If they didn't activate the lights, and then there's an

461
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Speaker 6: issue there, right. But I'm saying they are kryptoltes lights,

462
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Speaker 6: So let me just caveat that they should have been

463
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Speaker 6: Krypto lights and sirens. But I do not know specifically

464
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Speaker 6: if they activated those lights.

465
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Speaker 3: I mean, that's pretty devastating there.

466
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Speaker 2: And then it's the claims ager you haven't seen the

467
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Speaker 2: d I mean, if you haven't seen the video, what

468
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Speaker 2: are you even doing? Like this is your job, You're

469
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,400
Speaker 2: supposed to be overseeing this you're supposed to care about

470
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Speaker 2: whether the right protocol was filed followed. This is an

471
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Speaker 2: extremely high profile killing on your watch, and you're claiming, oh,

472
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Speaker 2: I didn't actually get a chance to look at the video,

473
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Speaker 2: Like what, complete and total bullshit, and she just hasn't

474
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Speaker 2: done to.

475
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Speaker 1: Write yeah, the video. I mean, we saw the video.

476
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Speaker 1: There there's no video, there's no emergency lights. I agree.

477
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Speaker 1: I mean in terms of being stopped by an unmarked vehicle, like, yeah,

478
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Speaker 1: if you flash your flights, I think most people would stop,

479
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:35,720
Speaker 1: or if you don't, then at least you know you

480
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Speaker 1: know what's going on. But if you're coming up and

481
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Speaker 1: somebody is coming out behind you, then a reasonable person

482
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Speaker 1: could say I had no idea what was going on here,

483
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Speaker 1: especially when you're in your vehicle. And then it's even

484
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Speaker 1: worse because I'm not saying you deserve to die like period,

485
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Speaker 1: but it's even worse. He wasn't even the person that

486
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Speaker 1: was supposed to be stopped, right guy instances. I think

487
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Speaker 1: Ryan and Huan talked about it. I mean, if you

488
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Speaker 1: look at the story of this Colombian guy who was

489
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Speaker 1: killed in Maine, it is honest, kind of insane, Like

490
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Speaker 1: it's the right wing seemed to have been like a

491
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Speaker 1: right wing Columbia nationalists. I don't know what he was

492
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Speaker 1: doing here if he's right when Columbia nationalists, but okay,

493
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Speaker 1: but I mean just to show you, like people are

494
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Speaker 1: complex and a little different, and it does demonstrate that

495
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Speaker 1: they didn't even know who they were stopping because they

496
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Speaker 1: were supposed to try and stop some sort of other.

497
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Speaker 1: They were trying to stop another person whenever they pulled

498
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Speaker 1: this guy over and then initially he is shot in

499
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Speaker 1: a bad incident like this, but given the background here,

500
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Speaker 1: it will demonstrate that the ICE is going to have

501
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Speaker 1: serious pride. I also just think this is a preview

502
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Speaker 1: of what the next three years are going to look

503
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Speaker 1: like like in terms of Democrats, if they take the

504
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Speaker 1: House of Representatives and if they investigate or if they

505
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Speaker 1: initiate any sort of congressional review of ICE hiring, how

506
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Speaker 1: many more David brother and like this will validate like

507
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Speaker 1: the look And you know, I'm not a cab or

508
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Speaker 1: any of that, but I know for certain that if

509
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Speaker 1: you rush things and you don't do like a methodical job,

510
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Speaker 1: and you have a bunch of people who slipped through

511
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Speaker 1: the cracks or who are intentionally pushed aside, or you

512
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Speaker 1: don't initiate types of processes like you're the government and

513
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Speaker 1: you put guns in people's hands, like you're going to

514
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 1: own that entire process. That's going to be Seriously, I

515
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Speaker 1: really think this is going to be a massive problem.

516
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Speaker 2: And there was the administration a brief moment where Mark

517
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Speaker 2: wayn Mullen comes out and says, we're not going to

518
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Speaker 2: do vehicle stops. And we're sort of accustomed to this

519
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Speaker 2: vehicle stop thing. Now this is new. In previous administrations,

520
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Speaker 2: I think, including the first Trump administration, vehicle stops were

521
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Speaker 2: only used with ICE agents or any sort of border

522
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Speaker 2: patrol or any of these affiliated agencies in situations where

523
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Speaker 2: that were relatively extreme, where you knew who the target was,

524
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Speaker 2: they were violent, there was some sort of criminal record,

525
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Speaker 2: It was extraordinary circumstances. Now this is just par for

526
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Speaker 2: the course. And as you can see in both of

527
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 2: these instances, these guys weren't even the target. So they

528
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 2: just literally were like, oh, they look brown, maybe they're undocumented,

529
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Speaker 2: let's pull them over in this again very very aggressive manner.

530
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Speaker 3: No lights.

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Speaker 2: In terms of the one down in Texas, we don't know.

532
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Speaker 2: In terms of the one up in May because we

533
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 2: have more limited camera footage there. But in any case,

534
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,199
Speaker 2: this is relatively new development. Mark wayn Mullen says, we're

535
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Speaker 2: going to stop doing this for now. Trump immediately, apparently

536
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 2: after Steven Miller yelling and blowing his top over the pullback,

537
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 2: Trump immediately comes out in the next day and says, no,

538
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Speaker 2: we're going to continue. The other piece that I want

539
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 2: to layer on here is, you know, in a bunch

540
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Speaker 2: of these instances like these ICE agents should go to prison.

541
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Speaker 2: I mean, if you're the guy in Maine, there is

542
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Speaker 2: even dhs is saying that they discharge their weapons on

543
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Speaker 2: a fear of public safety. That is not a defense

544
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Speaker 2: in a court of law. That man should be alive today.

545
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Speaker 2: So in any case, you've had all of these instances

546
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Speaker 2: of ICE agents and CBP who are starting fights, who

547
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 2: are aggressive, who are assaulting protesters and immigrants themselves, where

548
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 2: there should be investigators, there should be court cases. Let's

549
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Speaker 2: take a look at E nine. This is a report

550
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Speaker 2: from the New York Times that is saying that federal

551
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Speaker 2: agents were told the FBI is no longer going to

552
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Speaker 2: investigate ICE co prontations and the TLDR.

553
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Speaker 3: Here by the way.

554
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Speaker 2: The FBI denies this, but there were multiple federal agents

555
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,199
Speaker 2: that talked to the New York Times about this new

556
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 2: guidance that they received. In any case, the TLDR here

557
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 2: is that instead of the FBI investigating to see, okay,

558
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,439
Speaker 2: was it the protesters fault? Was it the immigrants fault?

559
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 2: Were they actually assaulting ICE agents or were ICE agents

560
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 2: involved in misconduct potentially prosecutable misconduct. Now it's going to

561
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 2: be kicked to an investigative unit within ICE itself. So

562
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Speaker 2: ICE investigating itself, you can imagine how much is going

563
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:36,959
Speaker 2: to come out from that. And then in terms of,

564
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 2: you know, their level of trust, and when they come

565
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 2: out with these claims that, oh, this immigrant was trying

566
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Speaker 2: to murder an ICE agent, He's lucky to escape with

567
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Speaker 2: his life, et cetera, let's take a look at where

568
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 2: the rubber meets the road, which is in a court

569
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Speaker 2: of law when you actually have to produce evidence of

570
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:56,400
Speaker 2: these wild claims that have been made by basically everyone

571
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Speaker 2: affiliated with immigrations throughout the administration.

572
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Speaker 3: Put E eight on the screen.

573
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Speaker 2: This is a comprehensive review from the New York Times.

574
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Speaker 2: The headline on this article was they were charged with

575
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Speaker 2: assaulting ICE agents. The cases are crumbling. Here are the numbers.

576
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Speaker 2: Five hundred and fifty eight people were charged with assault

577
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Speaker 2: of an immigration agent, one hundred and ninety one of

578
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 2: those dismissed, twenty two outright acquitted. You're ready for how

579
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Speaker 2: many convicted on a five hundred and fifty eight four four.

580
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Speaker 2: You've had two hundred and forty six that pled guilty,

581
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Speaker 2: you have ninety five that are still pending, and then

582
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Speaker 2: you have a whole rash of other ones where they

583
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Speaker 2: just dropped the charge, They just walked away from charging

584
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 2: the people all together, where the thing just completely fell apart.

585
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 2: And you have instances here saga that are so wild, where,

586
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 2: for example, you had an ICE agent that busted open

587
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 2: someone's window, injured themselves busting open the window, and then

588
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 2: charged that person with assault for the injuries that they

589
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Speaker 2: caused to themselves. You have an example in this article

590
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Speaker 2: of two women who were on their way somewhere, saw

591
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Speaker 2: that ICE was, you know, doing an action, and pulled

592
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Speaker 2: into a parking lot to observe from a distance away.

593
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 2: Afterwards they left, ICE agents followed them again, had this

594
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 2: very aggressive interaction with them, and ended up claiming that

595
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 2: they had assaulted the ICE agents, where there was camera

596
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 2: footage that proved that was not the case whatsoever. You

597
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 2: have an instance with Greg Bovino, I think that was

598
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 2: directly involved in where he beat up some immigrant, that

599
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 2: he charged the immigrant with assault. A jury came back

600
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,959
Speaker 2: and said, no, you people started this situation. So they

601
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 2: have been rebuked numerous times for making up incidents, for

602
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 2: lying about what actually occurred, and under scrutiny, these cases

603
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 2: frequently frequently fall completely apart, and in many instances, and

604
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 2: there's a quote in here from an expert, they say,

605
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 2: you know, it's actually the ICE agents that should be charged,

606
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 2: like in a rational world they would be facing criminal charges.

607
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Speaker 2: And so to your point about the political fallout, this

608
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 2: is exactly the past. You know, when if Democrats get

609
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 2: power in the House certainly or possibly also in the Senate,

610
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 2: and certainly moving forward into twenty twenty eight, if they

611
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 2: end up with control of government, this is the sort

612
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Speaker 2: of thing that the base is going to be pushing

613
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Speaker 2: them to do, to look through the records of all

614
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 2: of these ICE agents, to go through the vetting process

615
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 2: to see who is there. And obviously there's a huge

616
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 2: push to get rid of the agency altogether. And when

617
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 2: you have situations like this, you know, total psycho with

618
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 2: brain damage and mental illness and a wife beater and

619
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 2: a child beater who was given a gun, that makes

620
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 2: the case that yes, this whole thing we need a

621
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Speaker 2: different process for handling immigration and forcing you know, immigration,

622
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Speaker 2: forcing the border. That this whole thing is so rotten

623
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Speaker 2: that it just cannot persist and go forward.

624
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Speaker 1: I mean, I I hate to say it. I do

625
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Speaker 1: think it'll probably come to pass. I mean, I will say,

626
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Speaker 1: you know, you got two hundred and forty six here.

627
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Speaker 1: He played guilty, so it's not like, you know, half

628
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: of them roughly did plead guilty, so it's not like

629
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Speaker 1: it's invented out of whole cloth.

630
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Speaker 2: I actually, but let me just say, prior to Trump,

631
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Speaker 2: there were you know what the conviction rate.

632
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Speaker 1: I'm sure it was ninety one hundred.

633
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Speaker 3: They have never.

634
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 2: Failed on this and now it's like, you know, they're

635
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 2: just throwing it at the wall. Like any time someone

636
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 2: just irritates an ICE agent, they charge them with the salt,

637
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 2: send them through the court system, try to make their

638
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 2: life miserable.

639
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Speaker 1: Because prosecutor to prosecutorial discretion usually meant that you would

640
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: only bring very extreme cases to these Also, if you're

641
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: not doing much enforcement, then you're also not going to

642
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: have many cases. But look, I've said it before, they

643
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: blew the entire political stack whenever it came to the

644
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: way that they wanted to do enforcement. There were a

645
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: lot of different ways this all could have been done.

646
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Speaker 1: A lot more people could have been deported, and a

647
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: lot more illegals could have left the country, and you

648
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: just doing n't have to do literally any of this.

649
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Speaker 1: They decided to go in this direction for the full

650
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Speaker 1: show of force, and the entire country has basically turned

651
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: or most of the country has turned against it, even

652
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Speaker 1: people who are dramatically like me, who are on the side,

653
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: largely because it's not just the political fallout, it's also

654
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: just like chaos. Like it's like, guys, we can't live

655
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: in a crazy world where you've got unmarked cars and

656
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Speaker 1: people and shot. I mean, like I literally went to

657
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Speaker 1: that town a bit if it's a very piece of

658
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Speaker 1: small town, Like I'm like, when I saw the news,

659
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: I was like, I cannot believe this, that this is

660
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Speaker 1: happening in Bideford of all places, and so and it's

661
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Speaker 1: not just because I've been there Houston too, Like, yeah,

662
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: Houston City chock full of illegals, but it's like you

663
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Speaker 1: can't just have it so that people are getting shot

664
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Speaker 1: and pulled over, and just that's exactly. Look. People turned

665
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Speaker 1: on the border because of Biden, who left it wide open.

666
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: Tens of millions of people came here illegally. Nobody really

667
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Speaker 1: knows numbers, roughly ten to twelve million according to the

668
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Speaker 1: US governments before under Biden. Just in case people think

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Speaker 1: that number is politicized. People found that intolerable. I certainly

670
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: find that and completely intolerable. I do think what we

671
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Speaker 1: find here is now a situation where what you talked

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Speaker 1: about there with the Democrats in their turn on, it's

673
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Speaker 1: going to be very similar to a lot of the

674
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Speaker 1: way that MAGA came into Inuary the office in January

675
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, where you know, the whole like January sixth,

676
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: we have to go after the prosecutors, we have to

677
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: pardon many of the people who were involved, like it

678
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: became an issue which was absolutely one hundred percent core

679
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: to the Republican base, and I mean they did get

680
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Speaker 1: a lot of what they wanted, and I think it

681
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: will be very similar with the Democrats. I don't know

682
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Speaker 1: how popular. It might probably be a little bit more popular,

683
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Speaker 1: if I'm willing to guess whenever it comes to that time.

684
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: I have no idea. But in a sense it doesn't

685
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Speaker 1: matter because it'll become the type of mandate that people

686
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Speaker 1: will focus on. Yeah, I mean I do. I personally

687
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: blame the Trump administration for taking this position. I also

688
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: really blame the Republican Party, which stood at every turn

689
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Speaker 1: and stopped any of the other institutional ways that you

690
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: can have immigration. But this could be a I think

691
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Speaker 1: eighty twenty issue easily if you had done it properly

692
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Speaker 1: with mandatory everify and like genuine if you had focused

693
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Speaker 1: on like rapist criminals. If we had no Seacot, we

694
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Speaker 1: had no Minneapolis. I mean, imagine what this administry, no

695
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: Iran war, all those things together. We could be living

696
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Speaker 1: in a totally different world. But and you know, then

697
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Speaker 1: it would just be like human rights activists who are

698
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: bitching and moaning all the time like they do no

699
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: matter what. But now that is the popular position where

700
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Speaker 1: you've got you know, the median, white college educated lib

701
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 1: is screaming about abolish ice. That is not the situation

702
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Speaker 1: in January of twenty nineteen, so I can see I

703
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,959
Speaker 1: could see the future quite clearly at least where things are.

704
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Speaker 2: Going well, speaking of people turning on the Trump administration,

705
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Speaker 2: good transition to Tim Dillon here talking about Jady Vance.

706
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Speaker 2: So we talked a little bit last week about Jadie

707
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Speaker 2: Vance on Joe Rogan where he's.

708
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Speaker 3: Sort of postures like he's just some guy.

709
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Speaker 2: You know, he doesn't really have any power to do anything,

710
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 2: just calling you know, the way he sees it on

711
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:43,280
Speaker 2: the Epstein files and the Iran war, etc. Tim Dillon

712
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,399
Speaker 2: really had some fun with this one, went in on

713
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Speaker 2: JD Vance and really the administration as a whole, and also,

714
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Speaker 2: by the way, anyone who continues to support the administration,

715
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Speaker 2: who he said, must be the dumbest people on earth.

716
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Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and take a listen to Tim Dillon

717
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 2: sounding off on JD Vance.

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Speaker 7: This is the when like Jady Vance goes on Rogan

719
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 7: and goes, well, you know, they have this whole discussion

720
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Speaker 7: about the Epstein docs, and jd is like, I'll go

721
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Speaker 7: to my death believing it was a larger conspiracy.

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Speaker 8: You know.

723
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Speaker 7: It's it's kind of like these guys are like, well,

724
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Speaker 7: what are you gonna do. What are you gonna do?

725
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Speaker 7: It's like, no, you're the You're the vice president. What

726
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 7: are you talking about? Jady Vance is talking about this

727
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Speaker 7: like he's a guy at a bar in the town

728
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Speaker 7: I grew up in on Long Island where he'd be like,

729
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 7: I'll always believe it was a conspiracy.

730
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Speaker 1: You sure.

731
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Speaker 7: That guy owns a pool company. He's he's gonna he's

732
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 7: gonna be like, yeah, what are you gonna do? I'll

733
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 7: always believe someone on there, this guy's the vice president

734
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Speaker 7: of the United States of America going on the biggest

735
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Speaker 7: podcast in the world.

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Speaker 8: Go and yup, I read all the files. Trump's citizen.

737
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Speaker 7: Also, I'll always believe there was a greater conspiracy there.

738
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Speaker 8: I'll always think something is going on. But what am

739
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 8: I gonna do? I'm the vice president.

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Speaker 7: That's Shadie Vance's character arc right now is his whole

741
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Speaker 7: entire thing. It's just telling people what the vice president

742
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 7: can't do, like what about the war?

743
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Speaker 8: And I ran, you know, there's not much I can do.

744
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Speaker 7: I just kind of hang out and you know what,

745
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,399
Speaker 7: watch as I'm part of the administration that betrays its

746
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,399
Speaker 7: voters and does the opposite of everything it said.

747
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Speaker 8: It was gonna do. I just kind of.

748
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Speaker 7: Hang out and you know, this Epstein thing, who knows

749
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Speaker 7: this is the game, keep trying to play this game

750
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 7: where they're like this folksy kind of like relatable, like, yeah,

751
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 7: these fucking elites, these fucking elites with these they're fucking

752
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 7: the kids. They're stealing your money. What who you're doing it?

753
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 7: You're the ones you are doing it. And they're relying

754
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 7: on the fact that some of their most ardinent supporters,

755
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 7: the ones who aren't directly being paid off, are the

756
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 7: stupidest people in the world. So that still works on them.

757
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 7: They're like, yeah, fucking Hillary, babe, Hillary collect then fucking

758
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 7: Hillary Clinton, the guy. They're in the White House, they

759
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 7: have the Congress, they have the Senate, they have the

760
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 7: Supreme Court. It is them, It is now them. I

761
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,240
Speaker 7: don't want to hear about the deep state anymore.

762
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Speaker 3: There's a lot there.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I kept thinking actually about Thomas Massey was

764
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Speaker 2: like Trump saying, the elections are rigged.

765
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Speaker 3: We won everything. What are you talking about.

766
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 2: Like, you're in the White House, we have the House,

767
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,399
Speaker 2: we have the Senate, we have the Supreme Court. We

768
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 2: won everything. What are you talking about? The elections were

769
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 2: rigged what they were rigged for you. I mean it's

770
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 2: similar vibe here where he's like, you can't continue to

771
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 2: sit here, jd Vance or anyone else and have this

772
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 2: whole folks see like yeah, we're really gonna, you know,

773
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 2: stick it to those elites. It's like, no, that is you.

774
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 2: Now you are in control. This rest the stops with

775
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 2: you people, and you don't get to just like divorce

776
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 2: yourself from that reality and pretend like you're just some

777
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 2: armchair quarterback or some pundit watching this thing from Afar.

778
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Speaker 1: Dat said something very interesting in the podcast. He said,

779
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Speaker 1: I'm not a public commentator. I do my best to

780
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Speaker 1: work things on the inside. And I was like, well, man,

781
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: you are on the Joe Rogan podcast. You kind of

782
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: are public. Do you see what I'm saying. It's like, well,

783
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 1: you know, pundits I just talked about in the ice box.

784
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,359
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I support massive immigration enforcement. I think

785
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 1: they fucked it up. He can't even say that, right

786
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: because that would cause a crisis. So everything with Epstein

787
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: was like Trump did nothing wrong and then hail Even

788
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: then You're like, I'll put my hands up. We did

789
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: mishandle portions of it, but there's nothing damaging in it

790
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 1: about Trump, and you're like, oh my god. And then

791
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 1: the stuff about Israel and the US intelligence. I mean,

792
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Speaker 1: this is why even when we say it, he's the

793
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Speaker 1: highest US official ever to confirm to say Epstein had

794
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Speaker 1: links to Israeli and US intelligence. Yeah, no US official

795
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: has ever uttered those words ever before current official. But

796
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: no evidence to back it up. Yeah, no, deep familiarity

797
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,760
Speaker 1: with what he's saying. Is that an off the cuff comment.

798
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 1: It's like, dude, are you just listening to a podcast

799
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 1: talking about that or did you see intelligence?

800
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 8: Right?

801
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: And this is why it's like, if you're going to

802
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 1: say anything that you need to know exactly what you're

803
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: talking and you just speak from a position of authority,

804
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,280
Speaker 1: and you at the very least like splitting the difference

805
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 1: between I'm not a public commentator while you're literally public

806
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 1: commentating is in my opinion, like the worst of all

807
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 1: of it. Because okay, on iron, we all know what

808
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: you're like. Jer Rogan asked him directly, would you handle

809
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 1: things differently? He has to talk around it. He's like, well,

810
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: the President has even said, you know, JD would have

811
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: handled it differently. He can't even say yeah, I would

812
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: have this is a fucking disaster because he has to

813
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: praise Trump, he has to you know, pay lip service

814
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: to well, we can't let the Iranians have a nuclear

815
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 1: weapon when I'm like, I don't even think you believe that.

816
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: I just I don't even know if you believe that.

817
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: Think about at all.

818
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Speaker 2: Think about how poorly his analysis such as it was

819
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 2: age just from.

820
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Speaker 3: Whenever that was recorded.

821
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Speaker 2: He was like, oh, the CNL back or it's a blip,

822
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 2: We're going to get back to negotiating, and say oh

823
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 2: are you are you because it doesn't feel like a

824
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 2: blip right now, you know, now the Iranians are like,

825
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 2: we're done negotiating with you. There is this theoretical O

826
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 2: ten day proposal, et cetera.

827
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Speaker 3: But they're pissed.

828
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 2: They're you know, bombing desalination plans, killing our service members

829
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Speaker 2: in Jordan, and we are bombing their civilian infrastructure and

830
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 2: you know, threatening all sorts of things as well. So

831
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 2: doesn't feel like this is all just a little bit

832
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Speaker 2: of a blip on our way back, you know, days

833
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 2: away from getting some larger deal. So even that quote

834
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 2: unquote analysis he offered just days ago has already completely

835
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 2: fallen apart. There was another part of this where Tim

836
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 2: really went in on the Iran war in particular and

837
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 2: sort of the overall track record of the Trump administration.

838
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Speaker 3: Let's go ahead and take a listen to that.

839
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Speaker 7: This guy's in a press tour for a book. We're

840
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Speaker 7: days away from troops on the ground, and Iran is

841
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 7: just a total nightmare. The economy is a nightmare, the

842
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 7: traits of Wurmuz. There's gonna be like a massive oil

843
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:15,240
Speaker 7: crisis soon. And they've given so much money to big

844
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 7: tech and AI, the flock cameras, all.

845
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 8: Of this stuff, all of this.

846
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 7: They're building a surveillance state with this money. They're building

847
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:33,439
Speaker 7: a digital surveillance state with the money. And he's got

848
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 7: to do this kind of like awe shocks, can you?

849
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 8: But Yeah, isn't it whack? Isn't it whacky?

850
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 2: He goes into this whole thing like we're weeks away

851
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 2: from Trump nuking Iran. Jd Vance going back on with Joe.

852
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:48,800
Speaker 2: You know, isn't this crazy?

853
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: Joe?

854
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 2: Like I never imagined as a little boy growing up

855
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,439
Speaker 2: in Appalachia that I'd end.

856
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 3: Up here talking to you after we just nuked.

857
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 2: Aron and he said something that I think was actually

858
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 2: very insightful. He's like, you know, the truth is these

859
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 2: wars they don't work anymore. Like the you know, war

860
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 2: didn't work in Afghanist they didn't work in Iraq.

861
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 3: It's not working here.

862
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 2: And he's like, you know, that's part of what it's

863
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 2: not working for Russia and Ukraine and part of what

864
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Speaker 2: is pushing towards a potentially really disastrous, insane like nuclear

865
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Speaker 2: outcome is that this conventional military approach it doesn't get

866
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Speaker 2: you where you want to go anymore. And China has

867
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Speaker 2: kind of recognized that they're not outstarting wars, they're not

868
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Speaker 2: spread money around, let's invest in infrastructure, let's get tied

869
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Speaker 2: into your economy, and that that's been far more successful

870
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Speaker 2: for them in terms of building up, you know, their

871
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 2: might domestically and also being able to do what they

872
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 2: want to do and secure the supply lines they want

873
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Speaker 2: to secure around the world. I thought that was actually

874
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 2: a very insightful view of where we are, because it's true,

875
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Speaker 2: you know where even he says they work for Israel

876
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 2: because Israel is willing to, you know, just go completely

877
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Speaker 2: bugwild and commit genocide. Is this working for Israel, even Israel,

878
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 2: you know, I mean their genocide and God us that

879
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 2: really made things better for them. Their state has its

880
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,919
Speaker 2: own problems and is in a sort of their own

881
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 2: existential potential catastrophe of their own making because of their

882
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 2: insane actions too.

883
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. It's fascinating actually, if you would to

884
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: put think about it like in historical terms. I was

885
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: thinking a lot about this conflict in the context of

886
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: World War One, where before the First World War, there

887
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 1: was something called the cult of the offensive in a

888
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: lot of these militaries where this idea, so you have

889
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 1: these gigantic armies with mans and arms that you can

890
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: just take over places. But what they didn't foresee was

891
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,439
Speaker 1: that the cult of the offensive, always running forward, would

892
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: run into something called the machine gun. And so what

893
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: happens very quickly on the Western Front is the trench warfare.

894
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: I actually think the drones are very analogous to that.

895
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: We're prior to a drone technology, the conventional United States

896
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:50,320
Speaker 1: military could very easily be able to shoot down incoming

897
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: missiles to take over the Straight of Hormuz and all that.

898
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 1: And look, we still do retain the ability to take

899
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: the control the Straight of Hormons, we would just have to, oh,

900
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 1: I don't know, occupy the entire country of Iran. But

901
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:02,800
Speaker 1: even if we were to occupy it, they wouldn't just

902
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 1: be getting shot with bullets and missiles. They'd be really

903
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:06,959
Speaker 1: the number one way they would die, as we see

904
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,919
Speaker 1: currently in the Russia and Ukraine war, is they would

905
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: die in the hands of these drones, and then the

906
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: drones would disrupt the entire supply chain. So I think

907
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: what the drone warfare and the development of the last

908
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 1: just probably ten years, I remember seeing some preliminary drone

909
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: stuff in Syria has dramatically made it so that the

910
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: entire conventional military apparatus, which was the peace dividend of

911
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 1: the United States military post Gulf War, basically evaporated overnight.

912
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: And we're just going to have to deal with that,

913
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: Like that's the truth. It's kind of like the battleship

914
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: for people who are familiar with that, or even the

915
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: original idea that aircraft carriers or that US Navy assets

916
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 1: were invulnerable that prior to World War Two, there was

917
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: a genuine theory they believe in the Navy that a

918
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: battleship or any of these other naval assets could not

919
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: be sunk by an aircraft, and then war happened. And

920
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,839
Speaker 1: even though this was disproved by members of the United

921
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,879
Speaker 1: States Air Force or Air Army, airhorpsor whatever at the time,

922
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: they just went forward, it's not possible. And then you

923
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,399
Speaker 1: get into a war whre Japan, You're like, holy shit,

924
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 1: They're like, what are we going to do about all

925
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: these aircraft? I think the drone is very similar, and

926
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 1: you have to rethink everything. And I'm only saying this

927
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 1: in terms of that disrupts a fundamental theory of American

928
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: power which has existed for you in my entire lifetime

929
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: before we were even born, frankly, in terms of the

930
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 1: Cold War and all that. And to deal with that

931
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: in real time requires people who are really intelligent, who

932
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 1: think very deeply, who can recognize the stakes that are

933
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: ahead of us. And I would say, I actually, I

934
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: always believe that JD was a person like that, you know,

935
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,760
Speaker 1: and I mean, maybe he still is. But it almost

936
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 1: doesn't matter at this point, because you had the chance

937
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: to prove the ability to do differently. And if this

938
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:57,919
Speaker 1: is the best we can get is some half ass

939
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: cease fire which barely lasts two weeks, that's not necessarily

940
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: a reflection on you, because it's mostly on Trump. But

941
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 1: if that's the if your best efforts can only result

942
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: in this, then it's a failure. I mean, what else

943
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 1: can you call it. I don't know, frankly, if any

944
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,439
Speaker 1: of that really exists in our current political system, which

945
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: is what makes me really like dire thinking about it

946
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 1: in the future. But I do think you know Tim's comments,

947
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 1: and I do think he's the most incisive political comedian

948
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: really who is currently working specifically on the surveillance state

949
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: and others. It sends a chill because at the same

950
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 1: there are rivals surveillance states in the in the world,

951
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:39,959
Speaker 1: Singapore and China, And call me unpatriotic. I would rather

952
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 1: live there under their surveillance than ours, because ours is

953
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 1: private companies, local contracts, oli gark, you know whatever, like

954
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,800
Speaker 1: selective enforcement of the rules. Here, we simultaneously live in

955
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 1: a surveillance state and a shithole. At least over there

956
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 1: it's nice, you know, It's like there's no gum or

957
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,720
Speaker 1: whatever on the streets, and the law is equally applied

958
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: to everyone and the government has total control. Yes, I

959
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: know that sounds authoritarian, but like here, we don't even

960
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: have real authoritarianism. It's like oligarchical authoritarians.

961
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 2: We've got all like the worst aspects of authoritarians, the upside, right.

962
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 1: I saw somebody say. I saw somebody say it's like,

963
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 1: you know, in Los Angeles, it's like you can ship

964
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 1: in the streets and take fentanyl, but if you jaywalk,

965
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: you know, you will get a ticket from the flock camera.

966
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:24,439
Speaker 1: And it's like, I'm only living in a world where

967
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 1: both people are getting tickets, right, But we don't live

968
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 1: in that. So like that's the blue example, the red example.

969
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm trying to think.

970
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 2: Of, well, aw about I mean the going back to

971
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:35,320
Speaker 2: the insider trading thing, like you have the teleprompter operator.

972
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 2: You're getting popped if you're you know, Jared Kushner, Steve

973
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 2: Witkoff or whoever, or doing their deals and profiting off

974
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:42,919
Speaker 2: of their position there.

975
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 3: Oh that's fine and good and you're never going to.

976
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 1: Face So that's a perfect white collar example, right. It's like,

977
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:48,439
Speaker 1: I want to live in a world where everybody gets

978
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: equally prosecuted, but we don't have that. So it's like,

979
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: can you really then, you know, want a surveillance system

980
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,879
Speaker 1: so yeah, I mean, things are bad. Just keep saying.

981
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, things are really bad. I've been in a

982
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 1: long you know kick reading about I know you are too,

983
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: about Whymar. Oh yeah, and uh you know, not just Wymar,

984
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:08,760
Speaker 1: but like all of the fractures and society. And maybe

985
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: I'm reading too much into it, but it's so impossible

986
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,320
Speaker 1: not to look at our current moment and to see

987
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: so much of the same stuff. And you, you and

988
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 1: I both know like how long it takes to crawl

989
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: it your way out of something.

990
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what we're missing from the the Wymar

991
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 2: moment is a I mean we're not that the economy

992
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 2: is great, but like a mass economic crisis. That's what

993
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 2: we're missing. And uh, you know, we may we may

994
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 2: be ahead in that direction.

995
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 3: So okay, hang tight for that.

996
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for watching. I appreciate it.

997
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Speaker 1: We'll see you all later