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Speaker 2: Hey everyone, Robert Evans here. It has been quite a summer.

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Speaker 2: We've had two political conventions and I am just drained.

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Speaker 2: So again, we are taking a week off and running

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Speaker 2: a rerun this week. We do that occasionally because everyone

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Speaker 2: deserves time off, including every now and then me. I

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Speaker 2: did want to note this is an old episode on

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Speaker 2: the Latter Days of l Ron Hubbard, one of our

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Speaker 2: beloved podcast subjects, with Michael Swain and Abe Eperson, two

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Speaker 2: of my old friends from Cracked dot com. They both

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Speaker 2: have a podcast network called small Beans, which you can

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Speaker 2: back on Patreon and you can find whoever podcasts are.

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Speaker 2: And I also wanted to note and plug my friend

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Speaker 2: Michael's novel The Climb. It's an epic fantasy memoir with

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Speaker 2: some you know, magic realism elements to it. You can

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Speaker 2: google The Climb Michael Swain Patreon. You can also look

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Speaker 2: up The Climb wherever books are sold. I'm seeing it

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Speaker 2: right now on the Barnes and Noble website. There's a

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Speaker 2: bunch of other places that you can find The Climb,

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Speaker 2: So check out The Climb. Michael Swain just typed that

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Speaker 2: into Google. And here's the end of l Ron Hubbard

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Speaker 2: what again, l ronning my Hubbard's It's part two Hubbard's

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Speaker 2: Death episode, my guests, as with last time, Abe Epperson,

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Speaker 2: Michael Swain, none of you will have noticed the joke

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Speaker 2: in that, but I pointed to the wrong person. It

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Speaker 2: did not translate visually hilarious. Another thing that's not going

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Speaker 2: to translate visually is me getting ready the next product

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Speaker 2: I'm going to throw during this episode, and tired of

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Speaker 2: the bagels.

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Speaker 1: So Robert took out his big knife and I'm stabbing

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Speaker 1: a plastic of a many many Kleenex boxes.

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Speaker 3: He pulled on off.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to be throwing clean X boxes. I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: throw the first one.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 3: I went to the window right between.

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Speaker 5: Us, right between the windows and to the walls. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: and if you know the rest of that song, you

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Speaker 5: know why we need so much clean ax. Yeah, we

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Speaker 5: got a ten pack. Is a ten pack of throwing.

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Speaker 3: It is a lot of clean That is a lot

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Speaker 3: of clean Ex.

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Speaker 2: We'll throw all of them by the end of this episode.

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Speaker 5: I thought you were gonna pop open one of those

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Speaker 5: bad boys and throw individual Kleenex. But that's not as impact.

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Speaker 2: That does not have the impact of throwing a whole

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Speaker 2: box of clean.

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Speaker 5: Is it important to you that the box be filled

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Speaker 5: with Kleenex? There could have just be a box with

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Speaker 5: a similar weight.

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Speaker 2: I think I'm just gonna throw a lot of stuff

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Speaker 2: over the course of the rest of my career.

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Speaker 5: Understood.

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Speaker 2: I like I like tossing.

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Speaker 6: I like throwing.

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Speaker 2: M hmm, both good things, both fun.

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Speaker 5: Get some salads in here for you, I would love

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Speaker 5: to toss them.

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Speaker 3: Hello everyone on their early morning comute.

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Speaker 5: Welcome the Robert and the pig and the other pig.

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Speaker 5: It's your drive times.

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Speaker 2: You know what I hate? Drive times?

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Speaker 6: You?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a good one. Sophie.

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Speaker 2: Who cleans up in here?

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Speaker 5: Is it me?

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Speaker 3: Oh? It's you, it's Sophie. Well, just got a said.

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Speaker 2: We've already established the joke. So this is going to

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Speaker 2: keep happening, and there's no way to stop it.

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Speaker 6: I can't.

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Speaker 1: I can't over exaggerate your lack of enthusiasms.

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Speaker 5: So far, you pick pretty easy things to clean up.

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Speaker 5: When it evolves to throwing confetti, I'm just.

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Speaker 2: Gonna throw ornaments, shatter them against the walls.

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Speaker 1: Just pushlas everything, push pins everywhere, push pins like a

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Speaker 2: Bullets, just whatever, Just bullets.

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Speaker 5: It's just I think someone who's barefoot so much of

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Speaker 5: the time wouldn't want to scatter pointy things around the ground.

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Speaker 4: But okay, no, let's gout those councils.

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Speaker 2: It's fine, it's fine. You know what else is fine?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Ron Hubbard's career.

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Speaker 5: I disagree.

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Speaker 3: I can't wait, it's just fine.

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Speaker 5: I might agree with that by the end. Oh, of

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Speaker 5: course it's fine.

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Speaker 2: I mean, now, a, you do quite a lot of

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna learn my next set. Oh, it's going to

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Speaker 1: be bad, because this is a master class.

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Speaker 2: This is a master class. Right now, Everyone who listens

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Speaker 2: to this episode will be qualified to direct a Hollywood production. Yes,

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Speaker 2: it just takes this much on film scene on Hubbard

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Speaker 2: Poe school by behind the Vest.

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Speaker 5: It really does only take that much if you also

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Speaker 2: Now, life on the run is not good for anyone's health.

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Speaker 2: Despite his vast wealth and the opulent surroundings of the

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Speaker 2: early nineteen seventy seven, Hubbard's lifestyle was catching up with

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Speaker 2: during this period, was horrified by his appearance when she

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Speaker 2: I didn't talk to LRH since he was busy, but

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Speaker 2: He didn't look anything like his pictures. The next day

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Speaker 2: all of el Ron's people with the Guardian's Office, and

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Speaker 2: Mary Sue became extra protective of her husband during this period.

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Speaker 2: Her dogs, which were said to be clear, guarded him

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Speaker 2: at all times. If they barked at you, it was

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Speaker 5: Oh, that's not going to stoke his paranoia. Anytime the

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Speaker 4: What happens when the dog barks at him?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Or oh shit, I don't think the dogs stare around

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they just have new dogs on deck.

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Speaker 5: That dog toy is a suppressive person who knew now.

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Speaker 2: Elron continued to innovate his tech during this period. His

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Speaker 2: the first three parter. Today, the purification rundown is a

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Speaker 2: the course of three years. Hubbard developed this treatment based

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Speaker 2: the body. According to Jim Kalki, one of Helberd's longtime helpers, quote,

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Speaker 5: It's pretty chill, dude, all right, it's going on.

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Speaker 3: This is my ship right here.

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Speaker 5: Honestly, it was good.

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Speaker 2: Now, Hulbard became convinced that the purification Rundown was going

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Speaker 2: this achievement had clearly earned him a Nobel Prize, and

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Speaker 2: he wrote it an order to his pr officer, authorizing

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Speaker 2: the expenditure of unlimited funds to win him the Nobel Prize.

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Speaker 2: He so clearly deserved this. He didn't. He didn't get

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Speaker 2: a Nobel Oh. Really, it turns out it's kind of

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Speaker 3: I can't say that it's canon.

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Speaker 2: I do think, you know, if the listeners of this

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Speaker 2: do drugs off of it.

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Speaker 5: That's what I would you rather get a Nobel Prize

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Speaker 5: for stopping all drug use you personally, or just have

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Speaker 5: listeners send you some drugs?

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Speaker 2: I would I would rather get the Nobel Prize. I've

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Speaker 2: got a blacksmith, So I'd take the Noble Price to

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know that, except if.

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Speaker 2: You want to see me throwing some stuff, you'd give

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Speaker 5: I think the Nobel Peace Prize.

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Speaker 2: And you know where that cash prize is all going

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Speaker 2: to be spent, Yeah, under a bridge, filling up that pipe.

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Speaker 5: Then you're going to get shived for your golden pipe.

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Speaker 3: So that's gone. Yeah, that's what happens under bridges.

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Speaker 2: It's not going to be great now. Hubbard transferred from

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Speaker 2: Lakinta to hide out in Sparks, Nevada. After the FBI

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Speaker 2: crashed down on operations snow White. All contact with the

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Speaker 2: to and from church leadership. On May nineteen seventy seven,

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Speaker 2: It made conservatively all the money and changed both Hollywood

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Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if l Ron Hubbard ever actually saw

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Speaker 2: But you imagine the one person who could get along

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Speaker 5: It's just weird that if you he seems to really

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he resist, it's hard to like. I don't know

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Speaker 2: feverishly on the screenplay for a feature film, Revolt in

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Speaker 2: the Stars. This was a dramatization of one.

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Speaker 5: Of those star wars.

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Speaker 2: Yeah it's a war that does occur in the stars, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: star wars. Yeah, it's star war, if you will. This

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Speaker 2: was a dramatization of one of the highest level scientology

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Speaker 2: training courses, the O T three Information or Operating Thetans.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna give that away. You have to pay one

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Speaker 2: There's actually some weird stuff regarding that, which we'll get

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Speaker 2: to here. So the rough plot was that an evil

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Speaker 2: space dictator Xenu, murdered seventy six planets worth of aliens

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Speaker 2: up with nuclear bombs, strapped a volcanoes.

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Speaker 3: Ghosts.

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Speaker 5: Ghosts are water vapor, and they all have swords.

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Speaker 2: You can freeze a ghost lodged. Oh my god, I

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Speaker 2: just figured out how we can solve global warming. All right.

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Speaker 2: People least likely to believe in global warming are also

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Speaker 2: So I'm gonna guess global warming deniers also have a

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Speaker 2: high tendency to believe the magical thinking to convince them

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Speaker 5: Dictators need to never stop doing whatever drug they did

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Speaker 5: These are the myths of our time that we need

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Speaker 3: Hot Potatoes.

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Speaker 2: That will be the last Fox News chyn before everyone dies.

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Speaker 5: Potatoes are too hot potato and the round is over.

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Speaker 3: Oh boy, potatos ghost.

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Speaker 2: Now, if you paid attention to anything I've said about

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Speaker 5: You go mad right as you love? Would that be good?

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Speaker 5: That's not a feather in your cap. You're like, this

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Speaker 5: Kill themselves, My name is l.

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Speaker 2: Forty years after his claims about Excalibur started, Hubbard made

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Speaker 2: He's gonna make a movie to kill everybody.

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Speaker 3: He's gonna make a fucking passion of the wrong.

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Speaker 5: I'm firmly convinced, and of course there's no way to

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Speaker 5: Ye look at how I built a billion dollar empire

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Speaker 2: I'm not proud of that.

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Speaker 5: So I don't think he wrote it thinking this will

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Speaker 5: is better if you assume he believed his own it is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think he started to at a certain point.

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Speaker 5: You don't know how you don't mix it up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't make the kids search for gold for

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Speaker 5: Of the paranoid shit he did, You're like, well, that's

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Speaker 1: I imagine like little l Ron, Little Ron, Yeah, like

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Speaker 1: oh my god, that worked.

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Speaker 3: I know what my life is.

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Speaker 2: Oh god. I do like to think about, like what

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Speaker 2: would be like, you know, there's that new movie that

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Speaker 2: I kind of do you kind of like I love life.

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Speaker 5: But also I have the AMC movie past I got

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Speaker 3: And yeah, watch them.

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Speaker 5: Also, what a weird experience if you came into the

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Speaker 2: Another thing that Ortega notes in his article about Revolt

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Speaker 3: Yes, at the very least he knows that thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the idea that John Travolta is trying to wipe

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Speaker 5: Right. Yeah, I also believe that now, probably thanks to

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Speaker 2: Shoot Bastard's pants. Yeah, please make the movie that kills.

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Speaker 1: Everything, which is basically he just thought of The Ring. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And just as as sort of future payment to whoever

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Speaker 2: box of cleaners, right yeah, mazzle.

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Speaker 3: To number three.

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Speaker 5: That's a scientology thing, right yep?

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Speaker 2: I think so? Uh or take it. Apparently read through

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Speaker 2: the volcanoes he previously bombed to murder space ghosts, wetting

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Speaker 2: one alive forever. Don't talk, snapped the doctor. A guard

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Speaker 2: his eyes. How long is forever? No one answered? No

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, what what?

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Speaker 5: What the fuck you talking about?

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Speaker 1: I mean, it sounds like I've been to film school,

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Speaker 5: By the way, when your movie Revolts among the Stars

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Speaker 2: So good luck with that now. Hubbard's dream was to

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Speaker 2: list of accomplishments, alongside aviation pioneer, treasure hunter, profit and

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Speaker 2: of Scientology. The Sena Org, a ten acre ranch around Lakina,

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Speaker 2: the production staff for l Ron Hubbard's new film company,

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Speaker 5: How do you give notes when you're in a cl

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Speaker 2: There are no notes. Yeah, you do what he tells you.

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Speaker 5: I usually think the set's a little, uh, a little

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Speaker 2: Well, all of these people are OT three so they

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Speaker 3: You don't even know it, and you got to pay

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Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so they buy several different giant ranches to add

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Speaker 5: Constantly biting into a raw grapefruit, he just care, is

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Speaker 2: He is Hunter would be shooting at people, would have

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Speaker 2: it's really hard to make movies like this is kind

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Speaker 2: is it harder to captain a boat or man of

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Speaker 5: Well, there's no because you can drop depth charges and

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Speaker 3: Listen to it and say, uh, this is shitty sound.

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Speaker 2: So the church put out a call to any members

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Speaker 2: thing I disliked was that When we first got there,

444
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Speaker 2: we were programmed on the lies we had to tell.

445
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Speaker 2: If we ran into one of our friends, we had

446
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Speaker 2: to tell a lie to them and say that we

447
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Speaker 2: were just there for a vacation. We were schooled on

448
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Speaker 2: how to get away from process servers, FBI agents, and

449
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Speaker 2: any government officials or any police, anyone anything to do

450
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Speaker 2: with Ubbard. Welcome to our production company. Here's what you

451
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Speaker 2: say to the FBI.

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Speaker 5: I bet just that being in California, there's a fair

453
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Speaker 5: chance some of these people probably would have gone to

454
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Speaker 5: film school if they weren't broke from spending all their

455
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Speaker 5: money on the Church of Scientology.

456
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Speaker 2: And they came from everywhere though. Sure he just moved

457
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Speaker 2: them to like you just had to go wherever you be.

458
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Speaker 5: But they have all the money. Send some people to

459
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Speaker 5: film school if.

460
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Speaker 1: Yeah, what great voices were squashed out by al Ron

461
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Speaker 1: Hubbard's movie making an interprese?

462
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Speaker 5: Hey, I want to see these cult people's movie.

463
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Speaker 2: I do desperately want to see these cult people's movies.

464
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Speaker 2: You know what else I want to see or at

465
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Speaker 2: least listen to the fine products and services that have

466
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Speaker 2: advertised on our show and or program.

467
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Speaker 5: Oh I love those I want to see them.

468
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Speaker 2: But kind of fingers crossed.

469
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Speaker 4: I'll just close my eyes and imagine.

470
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Speaker 2: Yeah, our ads are randomly generated a lot of the time,

471
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Speaker 2: so it is possible the Church of Scientology will advertise.

472
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Speaker 2: If so, I'm actually fine with that if they advertise

473
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Speaker 2: on this episode totally now I'm not.

474
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Speaker 3: I'm okay with it.

475
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Speaker 2: I don't know if listening through all this an ad

476
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Speaker 2: for the Church of Scientology makes you decide you know what, Yes.

477
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Speaker 3: This is true of me.

478
00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:14,359
Speaker 5: You clicked on this and you're like, but the ad

479
00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:15,320
Speaker 5: really resonated.

480
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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, products we're back and Sophie is actually

481
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Speaker 2: leaving the room. She's about to open the door, which

482
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Speaker 2: is bad for sound quality but good for what I

483
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Speaker 2: like to call cinema verite, a term I invented for podcasts.

484
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Speaker 5: Being true, we're really peeling back the podcasting curtain.

485
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because that term I didn't the term loosely affiliated

486
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Speaker 1: with podcasts.

487
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Speaker 5: Yeah, hence the word cinema and the curtain. Well, you know,

488
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Speaker 5: the main goal when you make a podcast is to

489
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Speaker 5: uh just broadcast to everyone else that yes, you should

490
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Speaker 5: also have a podcast.

491
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Speaker 2: You should have a podcast.

492
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Speaker 5: I'll rest till every there's as many podcasts as there

493
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Speaker 5: are people.

494
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Speaker 2: I want there to be twice as many podcasts as people,

495
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Speaker 2: and until there are, I will continue to throw.

496
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Speaker 5: Clean I laughed, but it hit me in the throat.

497
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Speaker 2: Well, you know what they say about throats, Michael Products

498
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Speaker 2: and Services, it's the laziest part of the body.

499
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Speaker 5: That's true.

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Speaker 2: All right, we're back.

501
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Speaker 5: Well there's parastalsis, But.

502
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Speaker 2: So l Ron Hubbard, a tour director, was still desperately

503
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Speaker 2: afraid of being brought in by a surprise police rate.

504
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Speaker 2: A souped up dodged dart with a full tank of

505
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Speaker 2: gas was kept on stand by twenty four to seven

506
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Speaker 2: outside of his production facility.

507
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Speaker 3: He just fucking run car.

508
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Speaker 2: The director has a like, I feel like everything you

509
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Speaker 2: said so far is applicable only to l Ron Hubbard

510
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Speaker 2: or Roman Polanski.

511
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Speaker 5: Every day put a Philly cheese steak on the dashboard

512
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Speaker 5: and replace it the next day. I might have to go.

513
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Speaker 1: Said, He's like, it occurs to me that we should

514
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Speaker 1: just have a table of disguises.

515
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Speaker 2: They literally did. All right, all right now, I don't

516
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Speaker 2: know if any of y'all are aware of this, but

517
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Speaker 2: AU tour directors are not known to be mentally healthy people.

518
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Speaker 2: At the best of times, oh Ron Hubbard might have

519
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 2: given a guy like Stanley Kubrick a run for his

520
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:09,920
Speaker 2: money in the crazy pants category.

521
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Speaker 5: Dalley Kubrick finished movies.

522
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Speaker 3: He did finish movies.

523
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Speaker 2: Adele first met Hubbard when she was working in the

524
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Speaker 2: wardrobe department and heard him start to scream in a

525
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Speaker 2: group of his underlings. Quote this is a quote Hubbard directings,

526
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Speaker 2: Oh Hea, you dirty, goddamn sons of bitches. You're so

527
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Speaker 2: goddamn stupid. Fuck you, you cocksuckers. It seemed to go on

528
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Speaker 2: for several minutes. I had something in my hand and

529
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Speaker 2: it fell to the floor. I said, who in the

530
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Speaker 2: world is that? They said it was the Boss. We

531
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Speaker 2: weren't allowed to use the name Hubbard for security reasons.

532
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Speaker 2: You mean the leader of the church speaks like that,

533
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Speaker 2: I asked, Oh, yes, was the reply. He doesn't believe

534
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Speaker 2: in keeping anything back.

535
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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is straight out of the book of a

536
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Speaker 1: usc School cinematic Arts.

537
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Speaker 2: Actually, goddamn sons of bitches. Adele's first big job was

538
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Speaker 2: makeup assistant on a Hubbard flip called The Unfathomable Man.

539
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Speaker 2: It was a modest project covering the entire history of

540
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Speaker 2: the human race from the beginning of time to the

541
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Speaker 2: modern era through the eyes of al Ron Hubbard.

542
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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, this is a great you can't even think

543
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Speaker 3: of it. What's the first thing you think? Well, he's

544
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Speaker 3: a man.

545
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Speaker 1: Well I can think of a man, not this guy.

546
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Speaker 2: Adele's recollections make it sound rather surprisingly like a Sam

547
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Speaker 2: Raimi flick quote. Did he ever like those films to

548
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Speaker 2: be bloody? It was enough to make you sick. We'd

549
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Speaker 2: be shooting a scene and all of a sudden he'd yell, stop,

550
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Speaker 2: make it more gory. We'd go running out on the

551
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Speaker 2: set and with all this carrow syrup and food coloring,

552
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Speaker 2: and we'd just dump it all over the actors. Then

553
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Speaker 2: we'd folm some more and he'd stop, stop it again

554
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Speaker 2: and say it's still not gory enough. Then we'd throw

555
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Speaker 2: more blood on them.

556
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Speaker 5: Well, he's competing with the Bible, so he's kind of matches.

557
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Speaker 5: Every religion needs to match a certain level of gore

558
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Speaker 5: just to keep our interest.

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Speaker 1: Just imagine men at him at monitor and when they

560
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Speaker 1: nail like how much blood.

561
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Speaker 2: He's just yes, this will bring scientology to the masses.

562
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Speaker 5: Okay, now pour some blood on me. Okay, now we

563
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Speaker 5: can continue get the disguises.

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Speaker 2: The movie included a scene where an FBI office was bombed.

565
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Speaker 2: This was understandably al Ron Hubbard's favorite part.

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Speaker 5: He jerked off scene, and I imagine he grew a

567
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Speaker 5: little over enthusiastic and had so much blood dumped on

568
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Speaker 5: his actors that their clothing stuck to their bodies and

569
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Speaker 5: had to be cut off by the wardrobe people.

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Speaker 2: Hubbard made up for his general lack of knowledge of

571
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Speaker 2: how to make movies by being an incredibly persnickety asshole.

572
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Speaker 2: According to bare Face Messiah quote, when the sene Org

573
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Speaker 2: was shooting in the studio, all the sets had to

574
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Speaker 2: be cleaned and scrubbed with special soap every morning before

575
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Speaker 2: Hubbard arrived, and the messengers would go round with white

576
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Speaker 2: gloves to assure it had been done properly. Hubbard had

577
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Speaker 2: a director's chair that no one else was allowed to

578
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Speaker 2: sit in, and as he was walking around the set,

579
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Speaker 2: a messenger would follow close behind him, ready to put

580
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Speaker 2: the chair underneath him if he chose to sit down.

581
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Speaker 2: One unfortunate girl got the positioning wrong by a few

582
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Speaker 2: min inches, and as the commodore sat down.

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Speaker 6: Chair.

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Speaker 5: Slapstick comedy until you learn that like she was swiftly beaten.

585
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Speaker 2: Yeah, she was put in scientology's prison. Yeah horse, Yeah,

586
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Speaker 2: it's real. She was tortured.

587
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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: You know, well it's worth it if the work stands

589
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Speaker 5: up to the test. That's why we have an Academy

590
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Speaker 5: Award for cleanest set. That's very key to filmmak Wait

591
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 5: is it really now? Yeah?

592
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Speaker 1: And all the specs is a Nobel Peace Prize material.

593
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Speaker 5: But I love that he's like, you know, directing a movie.

594
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Speaker 5: You keep the set clean, you place the chairs correctly.

595
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Speaker 5: You have a lot of blood movies now.

596
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Speaker 2: The numerous stories that Hubbard tried to film all had

597
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Speaker 2: grand narratives, usually starting at the very beginning of galactic history.

598
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,400
Speaker 2: One film, The Problems of Life, was about a young

599
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 2: couple who felt their existence lacked meaning. They asked for

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Speaker 2: advice from a psychiatrist who was played as a violently

601
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Speaker 2: insane person. The next asked help from a scientist who

602
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Speaker 2: is also violently insane. Then they found a scientologist who

603
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,199
Speaker 2: was a perfect being of pure contentment. Cama Douglas, an

604
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Speaker 2: artist and scientologist who spent time with Hubbard during this period,

605
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Speaker 2: noted quote. The trouble was that he wanted to make

606
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Speaker 2: movies that would take over Hollywood, but they were terrible,

607
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,399
Speaker 2: really terrible. The crew would have to do scenes over

608
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Speaker 2: and over again before he was satisfied. Occasionally the day

609
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 2: would end up with a fine well done everyone, but

610
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 2: more often there were tantrums and he'd storm off the

611
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 2: set screaming that it had better be right tomorrow, Hubbard.

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Speaker 1: Fix it, fix it for more beatings for you all.

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Speaker 5: I've got to go have sex, surprising. It's better be

614
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Speaker 5: a movie when I get back.

615
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 2: All the while, as all Ron Hubbard painstakingly acquired roughly

616
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Speaker 2: the amount of expertise one would receive in the first

617
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Speaker 2: semester of film school, he was raising money to make

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Speaker 2: Revolt in the Stars a reality.

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Speaker 3: He succeeded in.

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Speaker 2: Putting together millions of dollars to make the film and

621
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Speaker 2: funneled it through a production company called a Brilliant Film Company. Tragically,

622
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Speaker 2: Hubbard was as bad at running a production company as

623
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Speaker 2: he was at everything that wasn't infiltrating the federal government.

624
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Speaker 2: A Brilliant Film Company went bankrupt, and Revolt in the

625
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Speaker 2: Stars was never more than a few costumes in an

626
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Speaker 2: unbelievably bad screenplay.

627
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Speaker 5: I'd still pay a lot to see those I would.

628
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Speaker 3: Costumes. Someone's got those costumes.

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Speaker 2: Someone's got They are like religious art, like article facts.

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Speaker 5: Now, right, there's a church of scientology where there's a

631
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Speaker 5: case like you'd see a dark light. Yeah, like it's

632
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Speaker 5: that thing we never made.

633
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Speaker 1: There's and they all still have the blood on him,

634
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Speaker 1: and it's still unsure of whether or not it's the

635
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Speaker 1: fake blood or the real blood from the beatings.

636
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Speaker 5: From and when they cut them out of the clothes, yeah.

637
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Speaker 3: Ib them.

638
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, there were some scissors accidents that In

639
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 2: late nineteen seventy eight, a few days after Mary Sue

640
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 2: Hubbard and ten other top scientologists were indicted for their

641
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 2: rampant crimes, I'll Run, Hubbard collapsed while filming a very

642
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 2: stupid movie in one hundred and twenty degree heat. He recovered,

643
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 2: but it had become abundantly clear to everyone that the

644
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 2: ranch in southern California and the strenuous life of an

645
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 2: autour film director were not suited for the ailing old man.

646
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Speaker 5: Now.

647
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Speaker 2: During this time, I'll Run, Hubbard continued to receive regular

648
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 2: auditing sessions. His auditor was a fellow named Mayo, and

649
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 2: Mayo grew increasingly unsettled about the revelations he received from

650
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 2: the great profit of Scientology as he recovered from heatstroke.

651
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 2: Quote from Mayo. He revealed things about himself in his

652
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 2: past which absolutely contradicted what we'd been told about him.

653
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 2: He wasn't taking any great risk because I was a loyal,

654
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 2: entrusted subject and had a duty to keep such things confidential.

655
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 2: It wasn't just what I discovered about his past. I

656
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 2: didn't care where he was born or what he had

657
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 2: done in the war. It didn't mean a thing to me.

658
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 2: I wasn't a loyal Scientologist because he had an illustrious

659
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 2: war record. What worried me is that when I saw

660
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 2: things he did and heard statements he made that showed

661
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 2: his intentions were different from what they appeared to be

662
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 2: When I was with him. Messengers often arrived with suitcases

663
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Speaker 2: full of money wadds of one hundred dollar bills, Yet

664
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 2: he had always said and written that he never received

665
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 2: a penny from Scientology, who had asked to see it.

666
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 2: The messenger had opened the case, and he'd gloat over

667
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 2: it for a bit before it was put away in

668
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 2: a safe in his bedroom. He didn't really spend much.

669
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 2: I guess it was getaway money. I didn't mind the

670
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 2: idea of him having money or being rich. I thought

671
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 2: he had done tremendous wonders and should be well paid

672
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 2: for it. But why did he have to lie about it?

673
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 2: I slowly began to realize that he wasn't acting for

674
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 2: the public good or for the benefit of mankind. It

675
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 2: might have started out like that, but it was no longer.

676
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 2: So one day we were all talking about the price

677
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 2: of gold or something like that, and he said to me,

678
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 2: very emphatically that he was obsessed by an insatiable lust

679
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 2: for money and power. I'll never forget it. Those were

680
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 2: his exact words, an insatiable lust for money and power.

681
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 5: I love Jesus.

682
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

683
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 5: Also, because if you're at that level where you're hit

684
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 5: the boss's auditor, you must have already been exposed repeatedly

685
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 5: to the fact that the purpose of auditing is not

686
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 5: to keep it confidential. The purpose of auditing is to

687
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 5: have dirt on people. I don't know how this guy

688
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 5: didn't walk away with a portion of the gold, is

689
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 5: what I'm getting.

690
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, he may.

691
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 5: Hey, guess what, Boss, I have a recording now, you idiot,

692
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 5: you're dying the old idiot.

693
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 2: I think the guy you put in that job. Is

694
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 2: the guy you know is never going to betray you?

695
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 7: Right?

696
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, he didn't while Hubbard was alive. Eventually it seems

697
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 2: like he came clear.

698
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 5: I'm sure it was a process so all the pieces

699
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 5: didn't align. But hearing this quote now, you're like, if

700
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 5: you felt this way, then you could have walked away

701
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 5: with a chunk of that gold, probably one of.

702
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 2: Those suitcases of dirty hundred dollar bills.

703
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 5: Because if there's anything Hubbard's going to respond to, it's blackmail.

704
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. After a couple months of convalescence, Hubbard was

705
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 2: healthy enough to get back to directing movies. Naturally, he

706
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 2: made his auditor an actor quote he walked around with

707
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 2: an electric bullhorn, yelling orders through it, even if the

708
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 2: person was only a few feet away. The crew were

709
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 2: in a constant state of fear. He'd say he wanted

710
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 2: a certain set built and describe it. Everyone would work

711
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 2: in a frenzied state to get it done, often through

712
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 2: the night, not stopping from meals and praying it would

713
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 2: be right and that they would not get into trouble.

714
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 2: When he arrived to begin shooting the he invariably decided

715
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 2: he didn't like it. It had been altered. He wanted

716
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 2: it blue, not green. Some of the crew would be

717
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 2: sent to RPF Scientology prison and others would be sent

718
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 2: running around trying to find some blue paint. Then he'd

719
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 2: want to know why it was blue and not yellow.

720
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 1: Have you seen the Star Wars documentary, Yes, Empire Dreams

721
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: where he can't pronounce his own gungans, gungans, gungans. George,

722
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: you wrote this, Yeah, I like poetry rhymes.

723
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 5: There's a weird synergy in the fact. Did you hear

724
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,479
Speaker 5: about the plot? Lucas released details of the plot he

725
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 5: was gonna do if he had done seven, eight and nine,

726
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 5: and it involved tiny creatures that live in your blood

727
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 5: called the Wills.

728
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 2: He loves tiny creatures living in your books.

729
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 3: It's THETNS.

730
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 5: Dude, you were like, they are the same Lucas Now

731
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 5: that he is officially I guess traded Star Wars to

732
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 5: quote white slavers.

733
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 2: Not totally inaccurate.

734
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 3: It doesn't mean that one of them is on the

735
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 3: right side.

736
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, think for the good of everyone, he may as

737
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:32,239
Speaker 5: well buckle down and make a revolt among the stars. Oh,

738
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 5: I think Lucas is the man to do it.

739
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 2: He is, He's the only man to do it. He's

740
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 2: the only man to finally make Revolt among the Stars reality.

741
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 2: I'm holding Chekhov's Kleenox box and illustrate another point about filmmaking,

742
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 2: which is that you should always throw Kleenex at the walls.

743
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, uh yeah, it's like a bullhorn.

744
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 5: As Chekhov's tools go. That one didn't like stretch the

745
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 5: tension out.

746
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 2: But sure it did not. It did not. I didn't

747
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 2: go to film school.

748
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, don't let that stop you.

749
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I tell you exactly.

750
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 2: I just we got five more of these Kleenexes that

751
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 2: I got a toss, and I'm starting to realize I

752
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 2: may not have that much anger. So some of some

753
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 2: of these tosses are going to be less impactful than Sorry,

754
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 2: just where we are right now, can't not toss them.

755
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 3: They can be sad Kleenics.

756
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 2: Tossing boxes, sad Kleenex. All right, let's get back to

757
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 2: the thing. Here's Mayo again, talking about Elon Hubbard is

758
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 2: a director and being an actor under him. Quote. When

759
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 2: I was tiring to be an actor, I'd have to

760
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 2: do the same line over and over again. It was

761
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 2: never right. It was too loud, too quiet, too intense,

762
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 2: not intense enough. Then he'd scream, why aren't you doing

763
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 2: it enthusiastically. He'd end up stamping off, screaming that it

764
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 2: was all impossible and that no one would do what

765
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 2: he said. One of the main reasons why he got sick,

766
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 2: I think was that he had so many failures and

767
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 2: so much frustration and upset over the movies. Everyone was

768
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 2: tiptoeing around waiting for explosions.

769
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: So yeah, because this man is someone who just tells

770
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: people how he wants the world to be and it

771
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: just happens. And in filmmaking they have to like create

772
00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: it for themselves.

773
00:33:58,320 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 3: They have to act.

774
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 2: It's the one thing like he gets through his whole

775
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 2: life doing that basically right, and it works with his

776
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 2: private navy, but it can't work with filmmaking.

777
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 5: You just can't force the audience to think the movie's entertaining.

778
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,439
Speaker 5: You have to make an entertaining movie.

779
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Nor can you get the thing that's in

780
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: your head absolutely perfect every time.

781
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 3: Like by every performer.

782
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,879
Speaker 5: So so, but also as an actor, I mean, come

783
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 5: off in Mayo, I had to say the line a

784
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 5: bunch of times. That's that's the process of acting for films.

785
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 2: You get the feeling though that it was like literally

786
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 2: for days at a time sometimes and it was like

787
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 2: he would just say more enthusiastically, lesson, like he doesn't

788
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 2: know how to direct you, Like he's not sitting down,

789
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 2: like like only walk you through your motivation here. You

790
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 2: have to understand why it's wrong. He was just shouting no,

791
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 2: it's not right.

792
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 5: For well all example, a very basic rule of directing

793
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:52,399
Speaker 5: is it's widely frowned upon to just say do this emotion. Yeah,

794
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 5: that's the most basic directory.

795
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:54,879
Speaker 6: Right right.

796
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 3: I also love that notes.

797
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 1: His notes are basically go in a direction, go in

798
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:05,720
Speaker 1: the opposite director, like these ambiguous definitions of what he wants.

799
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 3: That sounds real clear to me. That sounds like a

800
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 3: guy with vision.

801
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 5: If only he had been a YouTube personality and just

802
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 5: said fuck it, I will be all the parts and

803
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 5: I will shoot this if.

804
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 2: He would be a huge hit on YouTube. If he

805
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 2: were alive and younger today, for sure that that would

806
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 2: be he would own that place.

807
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 5: He would be one of those channels you end up

808
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 5: on one you're three clicks away from a decent, good.

809
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,919
Speaker 2: God sharing video, and he would be convincing. Watch I'm

810
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 2: just gonna guess here, convincing millions that the Holocaust didn't happen.

811
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, you see that kind of cultism and tribalism and

812
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: like twitch streamers and stuff.

813
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 2: It's pretty Oh, he would be so good at twitch,

814
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 2: he would be incredible. Now, I do want to note

815
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 2: as we as we get to this point, that I

816
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 2: think the story, like the fact that el Ron Hubbard

817
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 2: finally failed when he tried to stumble into filmmaking, is

818
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,760
Speaker 2: proof of something important, which is that the US Navy

819
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 2: and all navies are a bunch of pansy ways, little

820
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 2: little little woos factories. Okay, okay, Hollywood is where sh

821
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,240
Speaker 2: it really gets done, So suck on it. Fucking aircraft

822
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:08,240
Speaker 2: carrier whimps.

823
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 3: We got our prop goes.

824
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 5: We're pretty we're pretty close to the ocean right now.

825
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 5: So I'm a little nervous.

826
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 2: What do you What are they gonna do? They can't

827
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 2: make a movie, that's what this proves.

828
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 5: Well, we've also coast Guard much like.

829
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, take it, Coastguard. Fucking movies is what's hard. That's

830
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 2: the real that's the message here.

831
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 3: Not these not these people have their cushy wars.

832
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 2: They're easy jobs on submarines. What's hard is movies.

833
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, that's what we can all agree is what

834
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,320
Speaker 5: we do is the most important.

835
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 2: Best, the most important, and the most difficult job. I

836
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,879
Speaker 2: would like to see anyone in the goddamn Navy tossing

837
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:48,720
Speaker 2: clean xbox.

838
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 5: See I expected you to grab that clean Xbox, and

839
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 5: you grab that one, so now you have to go

840
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 5: to jail.

841
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: Fun fact, all of Hollywood's like doll industry, the things

842
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: that move cameras in space kind of thing that was

843
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 1: all adopted from navy. Uh technology for putting bombs into

844
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: places We've.

845
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 5: Been reverse infiltrated by some navy.

846
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 7: Navy.

847
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 2: You're in the pocket of big Navy, aren't you.

848
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 3: I am a big Navy.

849
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 2: Crucially different from old navy. V Sorry, Navy, I'm not

850
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 2: really that sorry.

851
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 3: It's fun.

852
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 2: You got boats. You're fine now. Eventually, the stress of

853
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 2: running the Center organ, dealing with the brutal California desert climate,

854
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 2: as well as his growing fear that the FBI was

855
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,879
Speaker 2: closing in on him, forced l Ron Hoverd to make

856
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 2: what would become his very last move to a tiny

857
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 2: farming town called Himmet, California.

858
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 5: Oh boy, lots of time, Yeah, a nice little camping,

859
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 5: camping well around Himmett area.

860
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 2: I love camping and you know what else I love?

861
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 2: No products, oh services, just those two things. No other

862
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,280
Speaker 2: room for love in my life, just product service median.

863
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 5: The rule of three is not being fulfilled is going

864
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 5: to just kill me. This whole brand, Well, yeah, too bad.

865
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 2: I could not help condiments.

866
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 5: I hope, I really, I hope.

867
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:15,800
Speaker 2: I hope it's a condiment.

868
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 5: Goobers that for Goober's peanut butter and jelly and condaments.

869
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 5: We're back.

870
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 2: So l Ron Hubbard moved to him at California in secret.

871
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,280
Speaker 2: His location was known only to a handful of people

872
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,359
Speaker 2: within the church for the next six years. The number

873
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 2: of people Hubbard interacted with regularly wouldn't be enough to

874
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 2: make up to full baseball teams or basketball teams, whichever

875
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 2: one smaller. I think it's five people on basketball right.

876
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 5: Well, this is on the court.

877
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 2: On the court.

878
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:46,240
Speaker 3: There's more people in baseball teams.

879
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 2: There's more people in baseball teams.

880
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,720
Speaker 5: That's also way more people than I know. Yeah, exactly,

881
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 5: curling team, I think team.

882
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 7: Now.

883
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 2: This life of seclusion and hiding out from justice suited

884
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 2: Ron well. According to Bare Face Messiah, quote, Although he

885
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 2: occasionally threw his food across the room when he believed

886
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,479
Speaker 2: the cook was trying to poison him, by and large,

887
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 2: he was better timbered than he had been when he

888
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,240
Speaker 2: was trying to make movies. He usually got up about

889
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 2: midday audit, hit himself for an hour, and then dealt

890
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 2: with whatever correspondence the messengers had decided he should see.

891
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 2: In the afternoons, he devoted several hours to taping lectures

892
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 2: and mixing suitable background music. In the evenings, he watched

893
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 2: television and reminisced to a small but always attentive audience.

894
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 5: Did you say mixing. Yeah, so he spent all day

895
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 5: making playlists and mixtah.

896
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, he probably would have edited his own podcast.

897
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 5: That's a good harmless old man, dude.

898
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,720
Speaker 3: That's fine, cute Messiah.

899
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 2: You know, it's better than torturing people in your prison

900
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 2: when they don't act right.

901
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:43,439
Speaker 1: So filmmaking was the That's really what cracked the chestnut. Yeah,

902
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: really open them up to you know what, I'm just

903
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 1: gonna chill out.

904
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 5: I also can't believe he doesn't have someone tasting his

905
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,240
Speaker 5: food ahead of time. At this point, I just assumed

906
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 5: he'd have the whole royal like groom of the stool

907
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 5: to wipe his ass, you know, the royal food taster

908
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 5: to keep the poison out. I want to know what

909
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:01,879
Speaker 5: tips him one.

910
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 2: But if he's got a royal food tastes and get

911
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 2: to throw his food across the room, I've proved like

912
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 2: you have clean xboxes, Well I do have toss and food.

913
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, you make a plate for yourself and a plate

914
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 4: to toss.

915
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 2: I throw food at Sophie when things aren't the way

916
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 2: that I.

917
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 5: Robert is filling a clean xbox with food. He's just

918
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 5: shove full of food that's going to be tough to

919
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:23,280
Speaker 5: clean up. When Sophie gets.

920
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 2: Back, we only have three left.

921
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 5: We'll leave it for her.

922
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 2: We'll leave it for her. She loves David Mayo was

923
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 2: a member of Hubbard's small, attentive audience. In the nights.

924
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 2: He recalled many evenings with a commodore playing hillbilly songs

925
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 2: on his guitar and lying about the years he'd spent

926
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 2: as a troubadour in Appalachia. I think he was making

927
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,280
Speaker 2: up the songs as he went along. Afterwards, everyone clapped.

928
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 2: I desperately want to hear some of l Ron Hubbard's.

929
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 4: Wanted to see that live.

930
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 3: There's no replacement that.

931
00:40:54,719 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 2: There's nothing that could have come across the Yeah, pretending

932
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,320
Speaker 2: to be a hillbilly singing random songs.

933
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 5: Hey, y'all, little Nasax helped me out.

934
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 3: Was coming to get you.

935
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 2: On the days when he went into town, Hubbard would

936
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 2: wear a variety of absurd disguises, a baseball cap with

937
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 2: fake hair sewn onto it, stage makeup to alter the

938
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 2: shape of his face, false eyebrows, and sideburns. Hubbard was

939
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 2: convinced he looked like a local. No one else thought this. Thankfully,

940
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:28,800
Speaker 2: the Internet did not exist, and so no one in

941
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 2: him recognized him either. For six years, Hubbard's location was

942
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,879
Speaker 2: kept perfectly secret from the law, the government, and even

943
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 2: his own wife and children. Gradually, he pared down the

944
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 2: number of scientologists allowed to be around him. David Mskovich,

945
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,280
Speaker 2: his former messenger and also at one point a cameraman,

946
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 2: was often the only person in direct contact with l

947
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:46,320
Speaker 2: Ron Hubbard.

948
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:47,720
Speaker 5: Do you know if he worked on the movies?

949
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 7: Oh?

950
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's what he was doing. He was, Yeah, okay,

951
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 2: that's part of the way. The guy anything, Yes, I

952
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 2: need cameraman. Hey, guy who used to be like a

953
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 2: production messenger camera man.

954
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

955
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 5: Later, if you could beat some other guys up in

956
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 5: a room, I guess you can have this. That what

957
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:11,280
Speaker 5: happened with Yeah, he needs his own episode.

958
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 2: He needs his own three parter, probably to be honest. Now,

959
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 2: Hubbard did continue sending letters to David Mayo, his beloved auditor.

960
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 2: Mayo recalls these letters growing more and more unhinged as

961
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 2: the months turned into years of isolation. Quote in the

962
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 2: first paragraph of one letter, he said something like you

963
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 2: might think I've gone crazy, but I'm still okay. Just

964
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 2: believe what I say is true. I remember thinking, God,

965
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 2: whatever's coming must be pretty weirdside of the enveloped. It

966
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 2: was real, demented stuff, berating psychiatrists and claiming they were

967
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 2: the root of all evil, not just on this planet,

968
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 2: but since time immemorial. He had figured out that back

969
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 2: at the beginning of the universe, psychiatrist screened evil on

970
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,839
Speaker 2: a particular star system. When I read through it, I thought,

971
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 2: my god, he is crazy. He can exhort me to

972
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 2: think he's not crazy, but this letter belies it.

973
00:42:58,040 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 5: I thought.

974
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:04,359
Speaker 9: That shit is crazy that you're going to go with, Like, yeah,

975
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 9: this is kind of crazy, because like who made the

976
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 9: scientist a psychiatry or a Psiatrists invented evil at the

977
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 9: beginning of time.

978
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 3: I was always going to be. It's always gotta be

979
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 3: the beginning of time.

980
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 5: I wish we could know his that origin of that.

981
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 5: I feel like he must have, at some point in

982
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 5: his life had one therapy session where he went, yeah,

983
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 5: I'm a little blue and they were like, you're a

984
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 5: piece of shit. He was like, well, I hate this.

985
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 5: I hate psychiatry, Like, who hurt you? Yeah, little Elrod.

986
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 2: I will say that his hatred of psychiatrists is more

987
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 2: proof that, like, as a man, even though he didn't

988
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 2: spend that much time here, he was the living embodiment

989
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 2: of Los Angeles, like this city and a single man.

990
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 1: Out of touch with all reality completely and very hungry

991
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:51,240
Speaker 1: for power.

992
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 6: Yeah.

993
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, kind of a terrible place to live.

994
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 5: It's so specific and consistent, like it rubbed off on

995
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 5: Tom Cruise he did that appearance, or he famous psychiatry

996
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 5: is evil that it's such a core tenant. And I

997
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 5: don't know of any other religion that's like also the

998
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 5: Lord Saith, screw chiropractice, we hate them.

999
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 3: It's so no.

1000
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 2: Buddhism's really anti chiropractice.

1001
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 1: It's like that line the poem Ausi Man Diaz. We're like,

1002
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 1: because Los Angeles itself is kind of attestament to that.

1003
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,399
Speaker 1: They're like, let's make them metropolis where in the desert? Yeah,

1004
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: and that's where you don't make twenty million people there?

1005
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1006
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 3: How do we how do we plan for this? Don't

1007
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 3: plan We'll make it up as no planning.

1008
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 2: Okay, but we should at least have a network of

1009
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 2: trams and trolleys and no, how do one car for

1010
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:40,280
Speaker 2: every person?

1011
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 7: Okay?

1012
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 5: How do we get water?

1013
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:43,720
Speaker 3: We just steal it from this other state.

1014
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 2: Now take it from north people.

1015
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 5: Now, everyone in the town's feeling alienated and isolated by

1016
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,879
Speaker 5: the plight of modern man. Well they should pay us, yeah,

1017
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 5: because we can fix that.

1018
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, we cures what ails you.

1019
00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1020
00:44:58,120 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 7: Now.

1021
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 2: By nineteen eighty two, at Run Hubbard's letters to David

1022
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 2: Mayo are be able to growing obsession with death. The

1023
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 2: Commodore was seventy one years old, in poor health, and

1024
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 2: as crazy as a bat on acid. Hubbard was still

1025
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 2: canny enough to know that he had exactly one great

1026
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 2: achievement left in him. Al Ron Hubbard was going to

1027
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 2: write the greatest science fiction series of all time. The

1028
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:21,399
Speaker 2: first entry in the new saga would be Battlefield Earth. Hell, yeah,

1029
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 2: Saga of the year three thousand.

1030
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 5: Go to him typing Firefly Pilot.

1031
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 2: What are you telling me? That's why there's only one sason.

1032
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1033
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 2: Hubbard had not published a sci fi story in more

1034
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 2: than thirty years at that point. Battlefield Earth was a sprawling,

1035
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 2: eight hundred page epic. He declared it the longest science

1036
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 2: fiction book ever written, which might actually have been true.

1037
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 6: At the time.

1038
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 2: I really have no I cares what. Yes, that's not

1039
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 2: a determined it. That is believableough, because one thing all

1040
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 2: Roun Hubbard can do is write incredibly long books and

1041
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 2: never edit them, not for a second.

1042
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 3: This isans wake Yeah.

1043
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, as a sci fi short story buff. Just for

1044
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 5: the record, all of his short stories are mediocre.

1045
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1046
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:05,399
Speaker 5: He wasn't an amazing sci fi shorts.

1047
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 2: He was an adequate short story. Yeah, adequate an age

1048
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 2: in which you'd buy a book that had forty of

1049
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 2: them for a penny, and that's what entertainment was.

1050
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1051
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 2: He was like a mediocre Netflix series that you put like.

1052
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 2: That's what his science fiction was. Because like those those

1053
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 2: little like magazines that would be full of stories were

1054
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 2: like Netflix. Some of them you get some Arthur C.

1055
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 2: Clark's and it's like bo Jaff Horsemen or whatever, and

1056
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,280
Speaker 2: it's brilliant. And a lot of them are l Ron Hubbard,

1057
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 2: which is like a show or whatever.

1058
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 5: They were almost always like Flash Gordon, like he never

1059
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,280
Speaker 5: had a grand sci fi concept. He put a cowboy

1060
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 5: in space and had do cool shit.

1061
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, this is heresy.

1062
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 2: Yeah I've tarned.

1063
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:46,479
Speaker 1: I looked at the window and I've gone clear. Don't

1064
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 1: say that about l Ron Hobby.

1065
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 2: El Ron so uh. The plot of Battlefield Earth was

1066
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 2: as dumb as it was shitty. Johnny good Boy Tyler,

1067
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 2: the protagonist, was one of the last human beings on

1068
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,919
Speaker 2: Earth after an alien invasion destroyed civilization the thousand years since,

1069
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 2: mankind regressed to a feral Stone Age level of development.

1070
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:05,879
Speaker 2: While the evil aliens who now ruled the world minded

1071
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 2: for its resources, Hubbard's ego demanded the Battlefield Earth be

1072
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 2: an instant hit. Thankfully, he had the resources of one

1073
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 2: of the world's wealthiest cults at his beck and call.

1074
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 2: The Church of Scientology, bought fifty thousand copies of the

1075
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,479
Speaker 2: book at launch, and also poured millions into a pr

1076
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 2: campaign aimed at making it go viral. Scientologists were ordered

1077
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 2: to buy two or three copies each at minimum. Battlefield

1078
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 2: Earth was just the prelude to Mission Earth, a one

1079
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,800
Speaker 2: point two million word epic Hubbard intended to release in

1080
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 2: ten parts. Yeah, one point two million words.

1081
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 5: And what has been written? Oh yeah, okay, because that

1082
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 5: or I was like, was he like pointing at the

1083
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 5: stands calling his shot? Yeah, the sequel, by the way,

1084
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 5: one point two million.

1085
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 2: He did that and then wrote it and then did it. Yeah,

1086
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,800
Speaker 2: like for some for some reference, I think Lord of

1087
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 2: the Rings trilogy at the top, that has about four

1088
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 2: hundred thousand words total, something somewhere in that ballpark.

1089
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 5: Rings. So three Lord of the Rings trilogies.

1090
00:47:57,800 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.

1091
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 4: We never think about how much goddamn time this guy

1092
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:02,280
Speaker 4: spent in front of a typewriter.

1093
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 2: That's one thing that is not a lot, right, he

1094
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 2: wrote like a fucking crazy.

1095
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 5: At the end, it just says screw Flanders over and over.

1096
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 2: So Hubbard actually wrote this monstrosit, or at least dictated

1097
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 2: it to someone else. We don't really know, But tragically

1098
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,240
Speaker 2: he did not live to see it released in its entirety.

1099
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 2: On January nineteenth, nineteen eighty six, l Ron Hubbard sent

1100
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 2: out his last command flag order number three THY eight

1101
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 2: hundred and seventy nine, the Sea org in its future.

1102
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 2: In this order, the Commodore promoted himself to admiral, published

1103
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 2: a glossy photo of himself in a new uniform, and

1104
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,800
Speaker 2: about five days later died. He did not die alone,

1105
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 2: but he was not surrounded by his friends or family either.

1106
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,800
Speaker 2: His doctor and lawyer were the only ones present. Everything

1107
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 2: about his death was handled with the utmost secrecy, but

1108
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 2: the Church could not stop the coroner from looking at

1109
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 2: the body. The inquest found a bandage on his right

1110
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 2: butt sheet covering ten fresh needle marks. It also found

1111
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 2: traces of hydroxene in his blood. The drug is most

1112
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 2: often prescribed as an anti anxiety an anti neurotic medication,

1113
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:06,760
Speaker 2: in other words, a psychiatric medication. The Church steadfastedly rejected

1114
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 2: the idea that el Ron Hubbard had died with psychiatric

1115
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 2: medicine in the system. They claimed that he took the

1116
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:15,439
Speaker 2: medication as an antihistamine, which sure, guys, yeah, absolutely.

1117
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 5: His butt gets famously congest but gets.

1118
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 2: El Ron Hubbard was having anti histamy yeah, yeah, exactly.

1119
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 2: In a phone interview with the San Luis Obispo New Times,

1120
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 2: church spokesman Tommy Davis insisted he didn't take it as

1121
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 2: a psychiatric medication, that's all. It's one of those things

1122
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:31,800
Speaker 2: that anti scientologists want to make an issue about, and

1123
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:35,720
Speaker 2: we're like, yeah, whatever, and emphasize the anger Tommy Davis

1124
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 2: experience like express to the newspaper, I'm gonna throw another

1125
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 2: I'm gonna throw it.

1126
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, oh, because they were all going like he'd

1127
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:47,439
Speaker 5: be as millions of people and were like as if, yeah,

1128
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:50,760
Speaker 5: whatever whatever.

1129
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 2: The rank and file of Scientology were informed of their

1130
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 2: profit's death. Death three days later, on January twenty seventh,

1131
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:01,479
Speaker 2: David Miskovich addressed eighteen hundred Scientology at the Hollywood Palladium Theater.

1132
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:05,439
Speaker 2: He told them this. At two thousand hours Friday twenty

1133
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 2: fourth January nineteen eighty six, l Ron Hubbard discarded the

1134
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 2: body he had used in this lifetime for seventy four years,

1135
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 2: ten months, and eleven days. The body he had used

1136
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,320
Speaker 2: to facilitate his existence in this universe had ceased to

1137
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 2: be useful, and in fact, had become an impediment to

1138
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 2: the work he now must do outside its confines. The

1139
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 2: being we knew is l Ron Hubbard still exists. Although

1140
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 2: you may feel grief, understand that he did not and

1141
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 2: does not now. He simply moved on to his next step.

1142
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 2: LRH in fact, used this lifetime and body we knew

1143
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,400
Speaker 2: to accomplish what no man has ever accomplished. He unlocked

1144
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 2: the mysteries of life and gave us the tools so

1145
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 2: we could free ourselves and our fellow men.

1146
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 6: Wow.

1147
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 5: Ps, he did himself auditing and he found out he's

1148
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 5: even better than he thought he was. So he's an

1149
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 5: admirals and admiral now. So I could not think of

1150
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:51,839
Speaker 5: the Hudsucker. Yeah right, you know the Hutsucker Praxy series. Yeah,

1151
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 5: at six oh four wearing Hutsucker merged with the Infinite.

1152
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 5: That is a punch out. He should have said, merged

1153
00:50:59,160 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 5: with the Energon.

1154
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 2: Well, he did leave us with a little bit of

1155
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 2: a eulogy to himself, because of course I can't be

1156
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 2: finished with Yeah. L Ron Hubbard wasn't gonna let someone

1157
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 2: else get the last one he wrote.

1158
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 5: There's nothing he couldn't have written that wasn't written.

1159
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 2: And the elegy he chose was a song called thank

1160
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 2: You for listening from an album of Scientology songs titled

1161
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 2: The Road to Freedom.

1162
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 4: Are you gonna listen to it?

1163
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, we are going to hear l Ron Hubbard himself

1164
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 2: sing a motherfucking song.

1165
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 5: Oh dude, he's gonna tell me he can fuck and

1166
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 5: has a voice like an angel. I hope this is

1167
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 5: a dude.

1168
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 3: I hope this is a bob.

1169
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 2: All right, friends, without further ado, the voice of l

1170
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:40,879
Speaker 2: Ron Hubbard.

1171
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:47,800
Speaker 5: The boss Yeah music's original.

1172
00:51:53,640 --> 00:52:00,760
Speaker 3: Nice Rich Bring said, oh goddamn, listen.

1173
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 6: Yes, but others hearing this things they would argue.

1174
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 3: The voice of like a dinosaur?

1175
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 6: Do have to sing what I believe?

1176
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 7: I only give them fact If they believe quite.

1177
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 6: It still will have him.

1178
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love this song.

1179
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 5: To listen the lyrics they're bashi there.

1180
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:47,879
Speaker 3: I'm gonna toss a cleanic.

1181
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 6: It's the room.

1182
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 5: There are also no real inflements on the song.

1183
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 7: That's why.

1184
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:59,720
Speaker 3: Karaoke man, imagine listening to this at a funeral.

1185
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 7: But true is true, and if they didn't, it's hard

1186
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 7: to live with line. That's their concern, not mine, my friend.

1187
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 7: They're free to fantus.

1188
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 2: Loves them low lines.

1189
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,439
Speaker 5: It sounds like it's a full house thing.

1190
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 3: About how you all should have believe me.

1191
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:31,800
Speaker 5: You're all gonna suffer.

1192
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 3: Now he's here the Nuts.

1193
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 7: To the Health.

1194
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 2: I have the musical interviews in between the voices.

1195
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,360
Speaker 5: He's break dancing during the dancing.

1196
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 2: Hard He's to the Solar, and it's surprisingly good at

1197
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 2: break dancing and fucking.

1198
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:56,280
Speaker 3: Really way too much.

1199
00:53:56,200 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 2: Instrumentals so much okay, now, so that we can't get

1200
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 2: in trouble with copyright concerns, let's discuss linguistically, lyrically musically,

1201
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 2: because you're both musicians, right, yeah, you're a rapist much,

1202
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 2: that's yeah, you're a rapist and you're you're part of

1203
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 2: Cody's band, right yeah, yeah, I consider it Cody's band,

1204
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 2: but I don't know that it is.

1205
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 3: It's more like guys just showing up and.

1206
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:26,240
Speaker 2: Which made which makes yous qualified as l Ron Hubbard

1207
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 2: to talk about exactly put this.

1208
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 5: On the public record. I was kicked out of that band,

1209
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 5: no further true.

1210
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 3: Yes, Cody's band, he is.

1211
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,320
Speaker 2: He is a prima donna. And we'll be listening to

1212
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 2: this episode and I want him to record my version

1213
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 2: of this song once I get a cold well.

1214
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 3: I was in charge of the song.

1215
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 5: Let's cover.

1216
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 3: Let's cover this song.

1217
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 5: I was in charge of cleaning the rehearsal rooms and

1218
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 5: the guys with the white gloves were not please. They

1219
00:54:58,520 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 5: kicked me out of there.

1220
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 2: So, Michael, your thoughts on thank you for listening, and

1221
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 2: on Elon Hubbard's voice. Let's start with your thoughts on

1222
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 2: his voice.

1223
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 5: Uh, Abe already stole the best, Like Abe gave me

1224
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 5: the image that's stuck in my mind, which yeah, it's

1225
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 5: like Barney the Dinosaur singing to kids, but instead of

1226
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 5: teaching them how to wash their hands, he's saying, you're

1227
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 5: all living in a diluted fantasy world. Children. Soon you

1228
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:25,320
Speaker 5: will get sick from this, do you understand?

1229
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:28,879
Speaker 3: But listen to my sleep.

1230
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 6: The free two phone TUSA.

1231
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 5: It also sounds like the guy in a barbershop quartet

1232
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 5: who's only there to hit the loan note. He had

1233
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 5: to go oh baby, and they're like, the three other

1234
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 5: guys didn't show up. You got to sing the middle

1235
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:47,240
Speaker 5: a hard part best.

1236
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 3: There's not a shot of that guy who hits that

1237
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:52,839
Speaker 3: loan O. Then we goes, ah, yeah, that lone note

1238
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 3: part of the song.

1239
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 7: God.

1240
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 1: Abe, your thoughts, uh yeah, Mine went immediately through the

1241
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: instrumentation because it's it's just it's shouting something immediately, like

1242
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: from the get go. It's the horns, like you were saying, Michael,

1243
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 1: they're like clearly fake horns, like someone got like my

1244
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 1: brother's cassio and is doing like French horn on it.

1245
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 1: I bet they somehow fucked that up, though, I bet

1246
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 1: they actually recorded because.

1247
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 3: He had money, right, he had so much money, So

1248
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:22,800
Speaker 3: I've never heard.

1249
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 1: A recording that probably was recorded on actual instruments. And

1250
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 1: because they're so bad at recording, like they're bad at filmmaking,

1251
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:30,960
Speaker 1: they're very similar.

1252
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 3: It sounds like a Midi version. And you know how

1253
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 3: I like Middi's, Michael Middi's are my favorite?

1254
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 5: Boy is your favorite? That's it's it's better.

1255
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 3: Than the original the Midi versions.

1256
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 5: But I wish I or maybe it was. I mean,

1257
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 5: if this was studio musicians he hired, what a great

1258
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 5: thing to be on a fly on the wall floor.

1259
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 2: He clearly could have afforded it. I feel like he

1260
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 2: didn't just because he was so scared that everyone was

1261
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:57,800
Speaker 2: trying to murder him or secretly the FBI, which is

1262
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:00,280
Speaker 2: why he didn't just like hire a real production company

1263
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 2: to make this movie. It had to all be done

1264
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:02,919
Speaker 2: in house by.

1265
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 5: An ar fifteen can fit in a guitar case. He's like,

1266
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 5: no musicians, no.

1267
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly that every there's so many moments in this

1268
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 1: this journey that we've been taking where it's just I

1269
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 1: want to know what that guy who is just told

1270
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 1: all right, so you have to learn how microphones work.

1271
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 1: He's like, ah, I my last job was I worked

1272
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 1: at McDonald's. Yeah, you know, like iola cases. I was

1273
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 1: a heart surgeon. Like its shot at all my area.

1274
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 3: Right, I have no clue how to do this.

1275
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 2: Well, it's gonna have to be perfect, or what he'll

1276
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 2: beat you, you'll wind up in the torture prison.

1277
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 3: Well, I guess I signed up and gave money for this.

1278
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 5: I do feel like killing myself after listening to it.

1279
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 5: That must mean it's the best songs.

1280
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 2: Song version of Excalibur.

1281
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 5: It's it's so weird to me that a guy could

1282
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 5: who could manipulate the emotions of millions of people and

1283
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 5: strike at something core in us, which is just you know,

1284
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 5: like the hook to scientology is yeah, your life is

1285
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 5: a mess. And they offer enough that seems believable at

1286
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 5: the base level that it hooks millions of people in

1287
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 5: and yet he doesn't understand tone.

1288
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 3: At all, Like it's the bizarre.

1289
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 5: The lyrics are ominous, and the music is like scientology

1290
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 5: is the soda that will finally refresh you like all

1291
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 5: other sodas. He doesn't like get how to manipulate people's emotions,

1292
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 5: and yet he does it, and yet.

1293
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 3: He obviously gets it.

1294
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 1: I will. I didn't want to point out that he

1295
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 1: was only like pitch. He was pitchy a lot less

1296
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 1: than I expected. Yeah, he was pitching maybe one or

1297
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 1: once or twice, he like flubbed a note, But I

1298
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 1: mean he's got.

1299
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:46,959
Speaker 3: Mediocre pipes, you know what I'm saying.

1300
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 2: The main thing.

1301
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 5: That made us sound bad, I thought was that he

1302
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 5: cut everywhere it sounds like the melody lines like falling

1303
00:58:57,600 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 5: down the stairs. Exactly what that is.

1304
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 3: It's called a noise gate, and they probably had it.

1305
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 1: Just because they don't know what's going on, so they

1306
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 1: just anytime the microphone is like, oh there's no signal, just.

1307
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:10,479
Speaker 5: There's no tail.

1308
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 2: It's a bunch of lawyers and spies trying to work

1309
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 2: audio equipment.

1310
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 5: Also, if the noise gate was off on this track,

1311
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 5: between every line, you'd hear him go when he like

1312
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 5: breathes in as a seventy one year old cript keeper.

1313
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 1: Gad the bear, because any moment is the final one,

1314
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 1: call me the commodore.

1315
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 2: Well, I think that's our legally mandated commentary over that song.

1316
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 3: Fair use.

1317
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 2: You know what I have to say about fair use? Yeah,

1318
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 2: I'm gonna, I'm gonna. I'm gonna chuck my last Cleenex box.

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Speaker 3: That's number ten, babies.

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Speaker 2: The floor is covered in throwing bagels and throwing boxes

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Speaker 2: of Kleenex, a couple of torn up pieces of earlier

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Speaker 2: scripts that I read earlier.

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Speaker 5: What I dropped the top of my water bottle on

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Speaker 5: the ground, wanted to help out.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. We always leave it a mess because I'm

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Speaker 2: a problem like l Ron Hubbard. And once the show

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01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 2: takes off enough, I will absolutely buy a compound in

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Speaker 2: southern Californias and force people to make movies. Yeah, yeah,

1329
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 2: I lead movie maker. No no, no, no no no,

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01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 2: you'll be a pilot boats. Yeah, bring into the culture.

1331
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 2: They'll be making the movies.

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01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 3: I assume you.

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Speaker 5: Started this show to have a big track record. Educate

1334
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 5: everyone on people way worse than stuff you plan to

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01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 5: do later so they know it's not so bad.

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01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 2: Or I might try to take it to the level. Sure,

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01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 2: I didn't finish Wild Wild Country, but I'm on board

1338
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 2: with creating a cult city in the middle of nowhere.

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01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 1: I really want to see what your battlefield eers is.

1340
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I want to know what you think happened

1341
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 1: right at the beginning of the universe.

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Speaker 3: I wish how it relates to you.

1343
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 2: I'm a psychiatrist.

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01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 5: Yes, I wish we could get cults to just assemble,

1345
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 5: make a movie based on their leave beliefs, and then disassemble. Yeah,

1346
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Speaker 5: I want to see all of them.

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01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 2: All movies were made by Colts.

1348
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 3: Yes, they are a way. It is propaganda, all of it.

1349
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:08,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, or what would have said?

1350
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 5: It's true?

1351
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, including this well yeah, I mean this is absolutely

1352
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:16,920
Speaker 2: propaganda aimed at getting me a compound, someone west and

1353
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 2: a religion get indoctrinated people.

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01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, with just a giant glowing dorito on the spindle

1355
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:26,479
Speaker 5: that turns glowing everyone at all.

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Speaker 3: In Turts of.

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Speaker 5: That's your Colt would be nice because if you fuck

1358
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,160
Speaker 5: up the set, a robber changes his mind. He wanted

1359
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 5: it blue, now he wants a green. He just throws

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01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 5: a bagel at your head like it could be worse.

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01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:44,480
Speaker 2: Also, I will throw bagels a lot.

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01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 3: Also, if you're hungry, just eat the compound because it's

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Speaker 3: made of bagels.

1364
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 2: And big real rat problems.

1365
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:54,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got your five rat quota already red within

1366
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 3: three sentence.

1367
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 2: They're huge, so many carbs.

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01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 5: These bagel fed rats are becoming too strong, Robert just

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01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 5: threatening to overtake.

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Speaker 1: Somebody's been feeding them way protein, so they've been working

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01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:15,000
Speaker 1: out as well, so they're like swollen, enormous rats.

1372
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:19,480
Speaker 5: Well, we found a dead rat with a bunch of

1373
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 5: puncture needles in its butt. We think it's the rat

1374
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:25,160
Speaker 5: you We think they have all Also.

1375
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:27,240
Speaker 3: The rat has a T shirt that says the Joe

1376
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Speaker 3: Rogan podcast.

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Speaker 6: We're fucked.

1378
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 3: We're so fucked.

1379
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Speaker 7: Oh god, oh god.

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Speaker 2: Okay, plugs buggables.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we uh both he and I, Michael Swave and

1382
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:45,360
Speaker 1: Abe Epperson. We have a little thing called small Beans,

1383
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 1: which you can see on Patreon. We do videos and

1384
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 1: podcasts are ourselves and there's a bunch of other great

1385
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:55,960
Speaker 1: podcasts on that network. You can access it from by

1386
01:02:56,040 --> 01:03:01,640
Speaker 1: going to patreon dot com slash small and Yeah, we

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Speaker 1: were doing another show.

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Speaker 4: I don't know we said this last episode.

1389
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 3: I can't even remember.

1390
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it's the double down. In case you only

1391
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 5: wanted to hear about the last part of the last

1392
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:13,600
Speaker 5: part of l Ron Hubbard's life. Yeah, we're launching a

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01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 5: new show called Off Hours that is gonna be basically

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01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 5: the whole production team are people who used to work

1395
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 5: at a site called Cracked and what was what was

1396
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 5: it U? It was a napkin fulfillment site. You know,

1397
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:31,320
Speaker 5: they like would refill all the paper towels and soap dispensers.

1398
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 5: But they also ran a web series and similarly a

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Speaker 5: lot of people who worked on that show are now

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Speaker 5: working on our new show called Off Hours, which will

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01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:43,120
Speaker 5: involve four friends sitting around talking about pop culture.

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01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:45,560
Speaker 2: Well that's sound legally distinct.

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01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 5: Legally distinct and a good antidote for Behind the Bastard. Yes,

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01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 5: it gets you down. Come listen to some mindless bullshit

1405
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:55,240
Speaker 5: that we won't find out for twenty years was actually evil.

1406
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 2: Yeah movie, your's going exactly.

1407
01:03:58,280 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 3: Let's get that cultural dipstick.

1408
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:03,600
Speaker 2: Everybody build a cult, all right, we.

1409
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 5: For sure for sure shut us up.

1410
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're like, everybody build a cult.

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01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:08,760
Speaker 5: Okay, I'm leaving.

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Speaker 2: Well this has been Behind the Bastards. I've been Robert

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Speaker 2: Evans my Twitter, Instagram, at Bastards pod website, find the

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Speaker 2: Bastards dot com, t shirts, tea public I have another podcast.

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Speaker 2: It could happen here. It's sad Goodbye.

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Speaker 3: Behind the Bastards is a production of cool Zone Media.

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