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Speaker 2: And welcome back George Norri with you. Mark Lerner, astrologer,
Speaker 2: has been a professional and consultant since nineteen seventy three
Speaker 2: and is the publisher of the astrological newspaper magazine Welcome
Speaker 2: to Planet Earth. He's the creator of the Astrology Cosmic
Speaker 2: Calendar app also a publisher of the GPS Astrology magazine online.
Speaker 2: He was last with us on election night talking about
Speaker 2: what was happening, and then came back for a little
Speaker 2: reaction the day later. Mark, welcome back. How've you ben?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 4: Very good? Thanks thanks for having me on.
Speaker 2: George, looking forward to this. How did you get involved
Speaker 2: in astrology?
Speaker 3: Well, it was the day that I thought I was
Speaker 3: going to Columbia University to take classes in medicine, and
Speaker 3: the way home opened the book astrology to state stage
Speaker 3: science and shifted gears to astrology and.
Speaker 2: You love it. You've never been the same since, have you.
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 3: I need a lot about medical astrology, financial astrology, all
Speaker 3: the different areas of astrology. Out of jack of all
Speaker 3: trades for fifty.
Speaker 2: Plus years and a master of many how many different
Speaker 2: types of astrology might there be.
Speaker 3: Oh boy, there are dozens, and with AI and computerization,
Speaker 3: it just keeps growing all the time. This is so
Speaker 3: much in terms of computerization and being able to use
Speaker 3: charts on phones, on apps, including our own astrology cosmic calendar,
Speaker 3: and all the different apps that are out there. This
Speaker 3: is a lot of discoveries being made, including a lot
Speaker 3: of them that I've made myself over the years.
Speaker 2: What drives astrology, Mark is that the planets, the moon,
Speaker 2: what does it?
Speaker 3: It's really everything. I mean, we've got sun sign astrology,
Speaker 3: but that's really a creation about ninety years ago from
Speaker 3: newspapers that were a penny in those days in America
Speaker 3: and England, and they were looking to compete against each other,
Speaker 3: and somebody thought, hey, there are these twelve signs of
Speaker 3: the zodiac. What if we hire these people, they could
Speaker 3: start doing these columns, And that sort of gave rise
Speaker 3: to the whole thing of Sun sin astrology.
Speaker 2: By the way, Mark is going to be our guest
Speaker 2: on Saturday, May twenty fourth at The Dolls at the
Speaker 2: Classic Granada Theater in Portland. I'm really looking forward to
Speaker 2: this in the Dolls, Oregon. We're going to have a
Speaker 2: great time.
Speaker 3: Mark, Yeah, and I was able to see it last
Speaker 3: year more of a visitor, and it looks fantastic. I'm
Speaker 3: really excited to be with you.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about some events that may occur over the
Speaker 2: rest of this year and next and get your astrological
Speaker 2: views of that. Things seem to be heated up between
Speaker 2: Russia and Ukraine, President Biden giving the Ukraine missiles. Ukraine
Speaker 2: using those missiles putent threatening new ukes. If things continue
Speaker 2: to get out of hand, it's a dangerous, dangerous situation.
Speaker 2: But astrologically, do you see that as dangerous or do
Speaker 2: things kind of calmed down?
Speaker 3: Well, the rhetoric has been going on for years. Prutin's
Speaker 3: been president since two thousand, so he's going for Stalin's
Speaker 3: record of about twenty nine years and he's already got
Speaker 3: twenty four years.
Speaker 4: So this is all bluster.
Speaker 3: The thing I'm not saying, there isn't a chance of
Speaker 3: an accidental problem with nuclear energy. And when he invaded Ukraine,
Speaker 3: this was when Pluto came back in the United States
Speaker 3: chart and just four days later he invaded Ukraine. And
Speaker 3: what's forgotten is that when he came in from the
Speaker 3: north through Belarus, the first place he went to was Chernobyl,
Speaker 3: the scene of the worst nuclear disaster ever that was
Speaker 3: on Ukraine soil and the biggest nuclear facility of Zephyr.
Speaker 3: So the thing is is that a large part of
Speaker 3: what is going on here is to reacquire that area
Speaker 3: that had to do with nuclear technology. And one of
Speaker 3: my biggest studies was about astrology and nuclear energy, what
Speaker 3: I called a nuclear axis, and I discovered a whole
Speaker 3: bunch of things by studying the time period of when
Speaker 3: atomic bombs were being dropped. And I did a whole
Speaker 3: study and reported in the Welcome Planet Earth back in
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty two when I was a young guy of
Speaker 3: thirty two years old, and did a lot.
Speaker 4: Of research.
Speaker 2: In the months, we're going to have the winter solstice
Speaker 2: December twenty first, and of course that was the Mayan
Speaker 2: calendar n day too. How do we look?
Speaker 3: But by the way I was on in two thousand
Speaker 3: and eleven, it might have been twenty ten and twenty eleven.
Speaker 3: You're doing a lot of shows about twenty twelve in
Speaker 3: the end of the world. And I remember I told
Speaker 3: you that on March eleven of twenty eleven that you
Speaker 3: asked me for a prediction and this was a couple
Speaker 3: of months off, and I said, watch March March eleven
Speaker 3: or March twenty one. I forget what the date was,
Speaker 3: twenty eleven, but it was the date that Uranus, that
Speaker 3: planet Uranus entered aries and it was the day of Fukushima,
Speaker 3: the tidle waves that hit on that exact day, an earthquake,
Speaker 3: which is I guess, the second largest nuclear disaster ever.
Speaker 3: And it happened when the major planet Uranus entered a
Speaker 3: new sign, the.
Speaker 4: Fire sign areas.
Speaker 3: So when we approach a time period of equinox or
Speaker 3: a solstice, that the solstice coming up, this is the
Speaker 3: beginning of the winter time period in the northern hemisphere
Speaker 3: and the southern. In the southern hemisphere, it's actually summer,
Speaker 3: which we tend to forget about in the field of
Speaker 3: astrology because astrology was created as a northern hemispheric philosophy technique.
Speaker 4: And this is.
Speaker 3: Another area of astrology that needs to be corrected at
Speaker 3: some point, but we can't really get into that now.
Speaker 3: But one of my great teachers, Dane Rudjar, speculated at
Speaker 3: one point that we might have to actually reverse the
Speaker 3: signs of the zodiac for people living in the southern Hemisphere.
Speaker 3: But I don't want to create too much news right now.
Speaker 3: So the thing is is that what's going to happen
Speaker 3: at the beginning of winter in the Northern Hemisphere is
Speaker 3: the sun goes into Capricorn. It's symbolically considered the birth
Speaker 3: of the solar hero, which is why we have Christmas
Speaker 3: at this particular time. A few days after the sun
Speaker 3: goes into Capricorn. The whole idea of like a Messiah
Speaker 3: coming in with the power of the sun goes back
Speaker 3: thousands of years before the time of Christ and all
Speaker 3: of that and why we celebrate Christmas at that point.
Speaker 2: What's the difference between the solstice on December twenty first
Speaker 2: and the equinox on March twentieth the next year.
Speaker 3: Okay, well, so the equinoxes are equal day and night,
Speaker 3: both in terms of March and September, so that's kind
Speaker 3: of the balance. And they're the signs Aries and Libra,
Speaker 3: the first fire sign and the second air sign after Gemini.
Speaker 3: We get Libra at the fall equinox. At the summer
Speaker 3: we get the sun going into Cancer and in the
Speaker 3: winter we get at least in Northern Hemishire, we get
Speaker 3: the sun going into capricorn and soulstice means the sun
Speaker 3: standing still. If you go back to thinking about Joshua
Speaker 3: making the sun stand still in the Bible, that kind
Speaker 3: of idea could have actually represented a possibility that the
Speaker 3: events in Jericho at that point might have been at
Speaker 3: a time of assaultice. But what happens is it's not
Speaker 3: that the sun actually isn't moving in the zodiac. It's
Speaker 3: actually not moving north or south.
Speaker 4: What's called declination.
Speaker 3: It's another system by which charts are calculated. And you
Speaker 3: asked me earlier about but where is astrology going? Well,
Speaker 3: there are so many levels of how you calculate a chart.
Speaker 3: In fact, I've heard before, at least in nursery, I've
Speaker 3: mentioned that we have heliocentric astrology. We can actually chart
Speaker 3: people not just based on the Earth, but imagining that
Speaker 3: from the Sun's standpoint, what would your chart look like? Okay,
Speaker 3: And this is a thriving area of astrology for many
Speaker 3: people who don't just accept your Earth chart, but that
Speaker 3: there's a Sun chart and then you can configure all
Speaker 3: the planets from there. And by the way, with all
Speaker 3: the information on Elon Musk, now joining Donald Trump, when
Speaker 3: we finally get people to Mars, whether in ten years
Speaker 3: whenever it is, and somebody is born there, then we'll
Speaker 3: have an astrology where Mars will be at the center
Speaker 3: of charts and Earth will be in the chart because
Speaker 3: Mars will be the home planet.
Speaker 4: There'll be a whole other thing.
Speaker 2: Why does astrology seem to be able to work? Mark?
Speaker 2: It works? Yeah, you know what I know, But it works?
Speaker 2: Why right?
Speaker 3: Well, remember I told you you know. It turns out
Speaker 3: every so often an astronomer will contact me, and somebody
Speaker 3: did twice and said, you don't know what you're talking about,
Speaker 3: not to view but all astrologers, because there's no way
Speaker 3: that Saturn at a billion miles away.
Speaker 4: Is going to make people do things. And he's right,
Speaker 4: that's not how it works.
Speaker 3: It works based on synchronicity. So when you take your
Speaker 3: first breath, and that's what astrologers look for, they will
Speaker 3: ask you when what time were you born? A lot
Speaker 3: of people don't know, they have to look it up.
Speaker 3: But the Firth certificate, so on the monthday, and year
Speaker 3: of your birth, the place where you've born, the longitude
Speaker 3: and latitude and the time gives you the whole construct
Speaker 3: of where the planets sun and Moon, different asteroids are
Speaker 3: located and that archetype. Okay, what it is is that
Speaker 3: is a synchronicity. So let's say Jupiter is directly above.
Speaker 4: That has a meaning. It's not that Jupiter is.
Speaker 3: Doing it thing to you as a planet. It's that
Speaker 3: it represents archetypes. So depending on where these planets and
Speaker 3: Sun and Moon were called the two lights, different asteroids
Speaker 3: and so on are located in the various twelve houses
Speaker 3: of the chart. That's kind of like, I guess I'll
Speaker 3: give you an example. Remember when we all used to
Speaker 3: go to the Anobil Association to get a trip Toick.
Speaker 4: Remember that.
Speaker 3: Under Well, some of us are old timer's right, I
Speaker 3: did it a lot going.
Speaker 4: Across the country.
Speaker 3: So you go down to the Triple A, right, says
Speaker 3: I'm going from New York to San Francisco. What's the
Speaker 3: best route. That's kind of what a chart is, okay.
Speaker 3: In other words, start in New York, New York City,
Speaker 3: it's Philadelphia, Go to Pittsburgh, then go somewhere in Ohio.
Speaker 4: Keep on going.
Speaker 3: This is the best route to get there. So it's
Speaker 3: kind of like the cities and the terrain and all
Speaker 3: these different places that you might go and visit like
Speaker 3: Mount Rushma, whatever it is, that would be like the
Speaker 3: whole chart. And so the thing is, you're on this
Speaker 3: journey and the chart is the adventure. And if you
Speaker 3: understand it the way I do, and a lot of
Speaker 3: astrologers that were all souls or spirits, beings of life
Speaker 3: having physical incarnation. We have our etheric or energy bodies,
Speaker 3: we have our emotional ast bodies, we have our minds
Speaker 3: and so on. The whole thing is kind of an
Speaker 3: adventure and a composite. And that's why astrologers, you know,
Speaker 3: send you these beautiful charts, and we have on my
Speaker 3: website these different reports you can order to learn about
Speaker 3: who you are and what your destiny is in this.
Speaker 2: Lifetime, what astrological events are coming up mark that we
Speaker 2: should be aware of.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, we've got something really big. I mean, there's
Speaker 3: a whole bunch of things, and as you know, there's
Speaker 3: never enough time to do to do everything. But everybody's
Speaker 3: got to watch the weekend of December sixth and seventh
Speaker 3: and eighth.
Speaker 2: Just a few weeks, just a few weeks, a.
Speaker 3: Couple of weeks, and remember the whole thing about Jupiter
Speaker 3: having this eighty three year cycle, that's exact, instead of
Speaker 3: having what would we call an eighty four year cycle.
Speaker 3: So I told you before, I've shared before that we
Speaker 3: are repeating nineteen forty one in general, not exactly. So
Speaker 3: the events of nineteen forty one, eighty eighty three years later,
Speaker 3: we've got December seventh was Pearl Harbor in nineteen forty one. Now,
Speaker 3: I'm not predicting a disaster, but the point is Neptune,
Speaker 3: one of the big planets, is making a station in pacing,
Speaker 3: is going from reverse to direct. That's Saturday, December seventh,
Speaker 3: which ironically or synchronistically is the same day eighty three
Speaker 3: years before that Japan bomb Pearl Harbor and we that
Speaker 3: caused us to enter World War Two the next day.
Speaker 2: Now, well, like you're saying, though, is you're not predicting
Speaker 2: a disaster, but are you predicting something big?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: You see what.
Speaker 3: That's why it's big is because Jupiter is the largest planet.
Speaker 4: It's almost the Sun.
Speaker 3: Do you remember two thousand and one Odyssey Arthur C.
Speaker 4: Clark in the movie.
Speaker 3: With the monolith and everything that was basically, if you're
Speaker 3: to spoiler for people, at the end, there's the moon.
Speaker 3: One of the big moons of Jupiter, and there's all
Speaker 3: this mystery about what's going on, and there's all these
Speaker 3: reports coming back through the spacecraft with the child and
Speaker 3: the baby being born, and then you see all these
Speaker 3: monoliths making Jupiter become a star. And so that amazing.
Speaker 4: Story about Arthur C.
Speaker 3: Clark, who by the way, was a sun sign Sagittarius.
Speaker 3: His birthday is like December sixteen or seventeen, almost the
Speaker 3: same day of Steven Spielberg, who's born like twenty nine
Speaker 3: years later. So you know, we've got all these science
Speaker 3: energies put on December seventh. We've got Neptune not moving,
Speaker 3: which is a station, and every station of a planet
Speaker 3: is incredibly significant for the qualities of that planet. And
Speaker 3: then the day before Mars stops to go and reverse
Speaker 3: in Leo and that is a big deal for the
Speaker 3: inauguration and what happened if we have time in the
Speaker 3: second part of this or whenever you want me to share,
Speaker 3: Mars was retrograde when John F. Kennedy was president during
Speaker 3: the inauguration. Mars was retrograde when Bill Clinton had his
Speaker 3: first inauguration, and Mars will be retrograde coming up December
Speaker 3: and during President Trump and Vance taking the oath of office.
Speaker 3: It happens every thirty two years, So Mars retrograde. Everybody's
Speaker 3: so worried all the time about mercury retrograde, which I
Speaker 3: think is much too much hype. And I'm not saying
Speaker 3: it's wrong to be concerned, but.
Speaker 4: It's way overdone.
Speaker 3: Because all the planets stop and make retrograde cycles, we
Speaker 3: need equal attention on all of them.
Speaker 2: Why does this seem to work? Not how, but why?
Speaker 4: Well? Why is that? I guess we go back to
Speaker 4: Carl Jung, the.
Speaker 3: Swiss psychotherapist who actually studied the charts to study UFOs.
Speaker 3: You probably know that, of course you've got to be
Speaker 3: on one dollars all kinds of things, the concept of
Speaker 3: the anima and the animals, the inner female and the
Speaker 3: inner male. Well, he's the one who study the hundreds
Speaker 3: of married couples, and fundamentally his concept also is that
Speaker 3: whatever happens in storage, and the audience out there, everybody listening,
Speaker 3: please understand this, whatever happens at a moment of time
Speaker 3: has the qualities of that moment of time. That might
Speaker 3: sound redundant, but you see, we live in a world
Speaker 3: of quantities, like again Elon Musk is two hundred and
Speaker 3: some one billion dollars. Different people have money, you know, taxes, inflation.
Speaker 3: Everything is numbers and statistics, goals going up, you know,
Speaker 3: silver going up, it point, all the stuff. Everything is
Speaker 3: a quantity. And if you go back to five hundred
Speaker 3: or so Bcy, the Pythagorean school in southern Italy, that's
Speaker 3: where we got the whole idea of harmony of the
Speaker 3: sphears and the quality of numbers, oneness, two, ness, three.
Speaker 3: They have qualities like the triangle the equals out are
Speaker 3: triangle which is three, and the world's trinities, you know,
Speaker 3: and the different religions father son, holy ghost, whatever it
Speaker 3: may be. Ancient Egypt, you get the trinity there and
Speaker 3: different religions. So that's the number three. And three has
Speaker 3: a quality, so does four, So it's five. Like the
Speaker 3: five point at star. Why do we have a star
Speaker 3: on our aircraft? Why does the United States have a
Speaker 3: star five point star? Why do police departments often have
Speaker 3: a seven point of star? And sometimes they're pointed down.
Speaker 4: Which is not a good idea.
Speaker 3: And a lot of people use these kind of symbols
Speaker 3: and they don't know what they're doing, and they're actually
Speaker 3: top part of magic, the history of magic, and there's
Speaker 3: good magic and there's bad magic. Good magic can bring
Speaker 3: good fortune, good luck, and you can have the opposite
Speaker 3: if you're not working with the symbols correctly. But the
Speaker 3: point is, even like in your chart, my chart, anybody listening,
Speaker 3: we all have patterns like the Grand Triangle. We have
Speaker 3: from patterns called the mystic rectangle. Some of these are
Speaker 3: very complex, so we're all made up of sort of
Speaker 3: symbolic stars and triangles and crosses and so.
Speaker 4: On, and that's part of the.
Speaker 3: Esoteric nature of who we are as souls incarnating into
Speaker 3: personalities through our birth charts.
Speaker 2: Is this what you call mundane astrology.
Speaker 4: Well, you can do this.
Speaker 3: The old term mundane, as we've talked about before, is
Speaker 3: like a tech need phrase. What it used to represent
Speaker 3: was world astrology, mundane being the world mundane or world
Speaker 3: or political or earth astrology is really the astrology of
Speaker 3: using eclipses, new moons, full moons, like we said, depuinoxes
Speaker 3: and solstices, and the charts of presidents or events or
Speaker 3: the United Nations, or the start of a war, or
Speaker 3: building your own business, buying a stock anything that happens
Speaker 3: at a moment of time has the qualities of that
Speaker 3: moment of time. So this is why astrologers all of
Speaker 3: the world, myself included, and depending on people's focus, whether
Speaker 3: it's financial, business, travel, astro photography, natal charting, relationship, marriage,
Speaker 3: whatever it is, everybody like myself, you need a birth
Speaker 3: chart people's times, and then you need the questions if
Speaker 3: somebody's thinking of investing or starting a business, or getting
Speaker 3: married or getting divorced, whatever it is, what are the
Speaker 3: good times. It's called electional astrology to elect good times
Speaker 3: in order to do things that are propitious.
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