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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to coast am on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back George Norri with you. Mark Lerner, astrologer,

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Speaker 2: has been a professional and consultant since nineteen seventy three

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Speaker 2: and is the publisher of the astrological newspaper magazine Welcome

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Speaker 2: to Planet Earth. He's the creator of the Astrology Cosmic

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Speaker 2: Calendar app also a publisher of the GPS Astrology magazine online.

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Speaker 2: He was last with us on election night talking about

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Speaker 2: what was happening, and then came back for a little

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Speaker 2: reaction the day later. Mark, welcome back. How've you ben?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 4: Very good? Thanks thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 2: George, looking forward to this. How did you get involved

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Speaker 2: in astrology?

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Speaker 3: Well, it was the day that I thought I was

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Speaker 3: going to Columbia University to take classes in medicine, and

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Speaker 3: the way home opened the book astrology to state stage

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Speaker 3: science and shifted gears to astrology and.

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Speaker 2: You love it. You've never been the same since, have you.

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 3: I need a lot about medical astrology, financial astrology, all

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Speaker 3: the different areas of astrology. Out of jack of all

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Speaker 3: trades for fifty.

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Speaker 2: Plus years and a master of many how many different

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Speaker 2: types of astrology might there be.

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Speaker 3: Oh boy, there are dozens, and with AI and computerization,

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Speaker 3: it just keeps growing all the time. This is so

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Speaker 3: much in terms of computerization and being able to use

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Speaker 3: charts on phones, on apps, including our own astrology cosmic calendar,

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Speaker 3: and all the different apps that are out there. This

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Speaker 3: is a lot of discoveries being made, including a lot

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Speaker 3: of them that I've made myself over the years.

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Speaker 2: What drives astrology, Mark is that the planets, the moon,

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Speaker 2: what does it?

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Speaker 3: It's really everything. I mean, we've got sun sign astrology,

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Speaker 3: but that's really a creation about ninety years ago from

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Speaker 3: newspapers that were a penny in those days in America

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Speaker 3: and England, and they were looking to compete against each other,

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Speaker 3: and somebody thought, hey, there are these twelve signs of

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Speaker 3: the zodiac. What if we hire these people, they could

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Speaker 3: start doing these columns, And that sort of gave rise

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Speaker 3: to the whole thing of Sun sin astrology.

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Speaker 2: By the way, Mark is going to be our guest

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Speaker 2: on Saturday, May twenty fourth at The Dolls at the

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Speaker 2: Classic Granada Theater in Portland. I'm really looking forward to

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Speaker 2: this in the Dolls, Oregon. We're going to have a

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Speaker 2: great time.

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Speaker 3: Mark, Yeah, and I was able to see it last

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Speaker 3: year more of a visitor, and it looks fantastic. I'm

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Speaker 3: really excited to be with you.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about some events that may occur over the

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Speaker 2: rest of this year and next and get your astrological

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Speaker 2: views of that. Things seem to be heated up between

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Speaker 2: Russia and Ukraine, President Biden giving the Ukraine missiles. Ukraine

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Speaker 2: using those missiles putent threatening new ukes. If things continue

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Speaker 2: to get out of hand, it's a dangerous, dangerous situation.

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Speaker 2: But astrologically, do you see that as dangerous or do

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Speaker 2: things kind of calmed down?

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Speaker 3: Well, the rhetoric has been going on for years. Prutin's

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Speaker 3: been president since two thousand, so he's going for Stalin's

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Speaker 3: record of about twenty nine years and he's already got

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Speaker 4: So this is all bluster.

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Speaker 3: The thing I'm not saying, there isn't a chance of

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Speaker 3: an accidental problem with nuclear energy. And when he invaded Ukraine,

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Speaker 3: this was when Pluto came back in the United States

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Speaker 3: chart and just four days later he invaded Ukraine. And

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Speaker 3: what's forgotten is that when he came in from the

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Speaker 3: north through Belarus, the first place he went to was Chernobyl,

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Speaker 3: the scene of the worst nuclear disaster ever that was

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Speaker 3: on Ukraine soil and the biggest nuclear facility of Zephyr.

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Speaker 3: So the thing is is that a large part of

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Speaker 3: what is going on here is to reacquire that area

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Speaker 3: that had to do with nuclear technology. And one of

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Speaker 3: my biggest studies was about astrology and nuclear energy, what

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Speaker 3: I called a nuclear axis, and I discovered a whole

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Speaker 3: atomic bombs were being dropped. And I did a whole

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Speaker 3: study and reported in the Welcome Planet Earth back in

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Speaker 3: nineteen eighty two when I was a young guy of

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Speaker 4: Of research.

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Speaker 2: In the months, we're going to have the winter solstice

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Speaker 2: December twenty first, and of course that was the Mayan

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Speaker 3: But by the way I was on in two thousand

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Speaker 3: You're doing a lot of shows about twenty twelve in

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Speaker 3: the end of the world. And I remember I told

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Speaker 3: twenty eleven, but it was the date that Uranus, that

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Speaker 3: the tidle waves that hit on that exact day, an earthquake,

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Speaker 3: And it happened when the major planet Uranus entered a

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Speaker 3: new sign, the.

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Speaker 3: So when we approach a time period of equinox or

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Speaker 3: and the southern. In the southern hemisphere, it's actually summer,

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Speaker 3: which we tend to forget about in the field of

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Speaker 3: astrology because astrology was created as a northern hemispheric philosophy technique.

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Speaker 3: Another area of astrology that needs to be corrected at

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Speaker 3: some point, but we can't really get into that now.

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Speaker 3: But one of my great teachers, Dane Rudjar, speculated at

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Speaker 3: one point that we might have to actually reverse the

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Speaker 3: signs of the zodiac for people living in the southern Hemisphere.

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Speaker 3: But I don't want to create too much news right now.

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Speaker 3: So the thing is is that what's going to happen

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Speaker 3: at the beginning of winter in the Northern Hemisphere is

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Speaker 3: the sun goes into Capricorn. It's symbolically considered the birth

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Speaker 3: at this particular time. A few days after the sun

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Speaker 3: goes into Capricorn. The whole idea of like a Messiah

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Speaker 3: coming in with the power of the sun goes back

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Speaker 3: thousands of years before the time of Christ and all

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Speaker 3: of that and why we celebrate Christmas at that point.

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Speaker 2: What's the difference between the solstice on December twenty first

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Speaker 2: and the equinox on March twentieth the next year.

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Speaker 3: Okay, well, so the equinoxes are equal day and night,

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Speaker 3: both in terms of March and September, so that's kind

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Speaker 3: of the balance. And they're the signs Aries and Libra,

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Speaker 3: winter we get at least in Northern Hemishire, we get

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Speaker 3: the sun going into capricorn and soulstice means the sun

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Speaker 3: standing still. If you go back to thinking about Joshua

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Speaker 3: of idea could have actually represented a possibility that the

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Speaker 3: events in Jericho at that point might have been at

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Speaker 3: a time of assaultice. But what happens is it's not

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Speaker 3: that the sun actually isn't moving in the zodiac. It's

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Speaker 3: actually not moving north or south.

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Speaker 4: What's called declination.

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Speaker 3: It's another system by which charts are calculated. And you

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Speaker 3: asked me earlier about but where is astrology going? Well,

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Speaker 3: there are so many levels of how you calculate a chart.

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Speaker 3: In fact, I've heard before, at least in nursery, I've

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Speaker 3: mentioned that we have heliocentric astrology. We can actually chart

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Speaker 3: people not just based on the Earth, but imagining that

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Speaker 3: And this is a thriving area of astrology for many

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Speaker 3: people who don't just accept your Earth chart, but that

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Speaker 3: there's a Sun chart and then you can configure all

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Speaker 3: the planets from there. And by the way, with all

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Speaker 3: the information on Elon Musk, now joining Donald Trump, when

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Speaker 3: we finally get people to Mars, whether in ten years

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Speaker 3: whenever it is, and somebody is born there, then we'll

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Speaker 3: have an astrology where Mars will be at the center

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Speaker 3: Mars will be the home planet.

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Speaker 4: There'll be a whole other thing.

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Speaker 2: Why does astrology seem to be able to work? Mark?

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Speaker 2: It works? Yeah, you know what I know, But it works?

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Speaker 2: Why right?

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Speaker 3: Well, remember I told you you know. It turns out

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Speaker 3: every so often an astronomer will contact me, and somebody

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Speaker 3: did twice and said, you don't know what you're talking about,

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Speaker 3: not to view but all astrologers, because there's no way

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Speaker 4: Is going to make people do things. And he's right,

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Speaker 4: that's not how it works.

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Speaker 3: It works based on synchronicity. So when you take your

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Speaker 3: But the Firth certificate, so on the monthday, and year

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Speaker 4: That has a meaning. It's not that Jupiter is.

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Speaker 3: it represents archetypes. So depending on where these planets and

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Speaker 3: Under Well, some of us are old timer's right, I

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Speaker 3: So you go down to the Triple A, right, says

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Speaker 3: This is the best route to get there. So it's

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Speaker 3: astrologers that were all souls or spirits, beings of life

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Speaker 3: we have our emotional ast bodies, we have our minds

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Speaker 3: send you these beautiful charts, and we have on my

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Speaker 3: website these different reports you can order to learn about

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Speaker 3: who you are and what your destiny is in this.

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Speaker 2: Lifetime, what astrological events are coming up mark that we

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, we've got something really big. I mean, there's

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Speaker 3: a whole bunch of things, and as you know, there's

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Speaker 3: never enough time to do to do everything. But everybody's

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Speaker 3: got to watch the weekend of December sixth and seventh

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Speaker 2: Just a few weeks, just a few weeks, a.

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Speaker 3: Couple of weeks, and remember the whole thing about Jupiter

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Speaker 3: So I told you before, I've shared before that we

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Speaker 3: I'm not predicting a disaster, but the point is Neptune,

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Speaker 2: Now, well, like you're saying, though, is you're not predicting

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Speaker 3: That's why it's big is because Jupiter is the largest planet.

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Speaker 3: Do you remember two thousand and one Odyssey Arthur C.

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Speaker 3: With the monolith and everything that was basically, if you're

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Speaker 4: Story about Arthur C.

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Speaker 3: Clark, who by the way, was a sun sign Sagittarius.

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Speaker 3: It happens every thirty two years, So Mars retrograde. Everybody's

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Speaker 4: It's way overdone.

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Speaker 3: Because all the planets stop and make retrograde cycles, we

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Speaker 2: Why does this seem to work? Not how, but why?

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Speaker 4: Well? Why is that? I guess we go back to

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Speaker 4: Carl Jung, the.

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Speaker 3: Swiss psychotherapist who actually studied the charts to study UFOs.

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Speaker 3: You probably know that, of course you've got to be

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Speaker 3: inner male. Well, he's the one who study the hundreds

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Speaker 3: of married couples, and fundamentally his concept also is that

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Speaker 3: whatever happens in storage, and the audience out there, everybody listening,

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Speaker 3: please understand this, whatever happens at a moment of time

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Speaker 3: Everything is numbers and statistics, goals going up, you know,

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Speaker 3: a quantity. And if you go back to five hundred

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Speaker 3: or so Bcy, the Pythagorean school in southern Italy, that's

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Speaker 3: sphears and the quality of numbers, oneness, two, ness, three.

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Speaker 3: They have qualities like the triangle the equals out are

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Speaker 3: different religions. So that's the number three. And three has

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Speaker 3: a quality, so does four, So it's five. Like the

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Speaker 3: five point at star. Why do we have a star

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Speaker 3: a seven point of star? And sometimes they're pointed down.

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Speaker 4: Which is not a good idea.

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Speaker 3: And a lot of people use these kind of symbols

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Speaker 3: and they don't know what they're doing, and they're actually

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Speaker 3: top part of magic, the history of magic, and there's

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Speaker 3: good magic and there's bad magic. Good magic can bring

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Speaker 3: good fortune, good luck, and you can have the opposite

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Speaker 3: if you're not working with the symbols correctly. But the

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Speaker 3: point is, even like in your chart, my chart, anybody listening,

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Speaker 3: we all have patterns like the Grand Triangle. We have

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Speaker 3: from patterns called the mystic rectangle. Some of these are

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Speaker 3: very complex, so we're all made up of sort of

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Speaker 3: symbolic stars and triangles and crosses and so.

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Speaker 4: On, and that's part of the.

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Speaker 3: Esoteric nature of who we are as souls incarnating into

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Speaker 2: Is this what you call mundane astrology.

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Speaker 4: Well, you can do this.

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Speaker 3: The old term mundane, as we've talked about before, is

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Speaker 3: like a tech need phrase. What it used to represent

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Speaker 3: was world astrology, mundane being the world mundane or world

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Speaker 3: or political or earth astrology is really the astrology of

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Speaker 3: using eclipses, new moons, full moons, like we said, depuinoxes

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Speaker 3: and solstices, and the charts of presidents or events or

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Speaker 3: building your own business, buying a stock anything that happens

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Speaker 3: moment of time. So this is why astrologers all of

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Speaker 3: it's financial, business, travel, astro photography, natal charting, relationship, marriage,

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Speaker 3: whatever it is, everybody like myself, you need a birth

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Speaker 3: chart people's times, and then you need the questions if

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Speaker 3: somebody's thinking of investing or starting a business, or getting

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Speaker 3: married or getting divorced, whatever it is, what are the

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Speaker 3: good times. It's called electional astrology to elect good times

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Speaker 3: in order to do things that are propitious.

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