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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to a bonus episode of I Saw

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Speaker 1: What You Did.

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Speaker 2: My name is Milly, I'm Danielle. We are here to

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Speaker 2: bonus with you. We are jacked up on kaffey. Oh

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Speaker 2: my god, I can't tell you how much kaffee and

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Speaker 2: I've had today. Ah, I feel crazy.

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Speaker 3: That's a perfect mindset to be in for this particular

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Speaker 3: bonus because we are going to talk about some stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, explain to the folks what this episode is going

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Speaker 2: to be about.

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Speaker 3: So we did an episode recently about head It's called

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Speaker 3: head Banger's Ball was our theme, and uh, we basically

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Speaker 3: dug into the movie's American movie and the decline of

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Speaker 3: Western civilization to the heavy metal years and the decline

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Speaker 3: of Western civilization too. Brought up so many memories for

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Speaker 3: both Milli and I that we just feel like we

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Speaker 3: needed to extend that conversation. So we're gonna be talking

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Speaker 3: about our heavy metal, our former heavy metal youth experience.

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Speaker 1: It is yes, yes, yes, so exciting and like like

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Speaker 1: we said, it's piggybacking off of the episode from last week.

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Speaker 1: So if you haven't listened to that episode, maybe listen

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Speaker 1: to that first and then come back to this one,

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Speaker 1: but I yeah, we felt like we couldn't contain our

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Speaker 1: enthusiasm to that episode, so now it's spilling over into

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Speaker 1: a bonus and also just sort of like I think

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Speaker 1: for both of us, we had such personal histories with it,

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Speaker 1: so yes, and I honestly really feel this. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you feel this way too, but I really

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Speaker 1: feel that younger people aren't really fully aware of this era.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely yeah, because I feel like if somebody just like

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Speaker 1: opened an Internet vault slightly, they would find the most

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Speaker 1: insane shit, like they're the like people would blow their tops.

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Speaker 1: Like I just feel like I'm like, oh, I'm waiting

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Speaker 1: for a twenty three year old to find out like

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Speaker 1: David Lee Roth or something I.

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Speaker 2: Don't know, like David Lee Roth's solo career.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, and no, I mean, look, they're gonna find

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Speaker 3: the video for Yankee Rose. Here's what's gonna happen. Is

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Speaker 3: there someone will this will happen. Somebody will discover somebody

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Speaker 3: in their twenties or teens will discover eighties metal and

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Speaker 3: immediately cancel it all because it was all completely unhinged,

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Speaker 3: like David Lee Roth jumping around and like African masks

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Speaker 3: and shit, it's like that kind of unhinged, so like

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Speaker 3: they'll find it, they will cancel it, but that doesn't

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Speaker 3: mean they're gonna understand it and understand why that was

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Speaker 3: so formative for us to have to live in that time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 1: It's like basically the Girl Girls Girls video by Motley Crue.

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Speaker 1: It just feels like it feels so naughty in the

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Speaker 1: modern context, right, It's like, I just feel like somebody

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Speaker 1: would go, I can't believe they allowed that to happen exactly.

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Speaker 3: But also this is I do think it is an

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Speaker 3: error that deserves to be studied because this is specifically

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Speaker 3: eighties metal, I believe, is the absolute worst of what

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Speaker 3: can happen when you have white guys running the show. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: when you have white guys hopped up on coke and

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Speaker 3: running everything. That's where eighties metal comes from and where

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Speaker 3: you can get to see these like disgusting displays or

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Speaker 3: just like over sexualized displays because they were running everything.

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Speaker 3: So they were all in the same club, and if

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Speaker 3: MTV would put it on, then everyone put it on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: It was all very commercially popular and there was a

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Speaker 1: lot of different bands. There were bands like Motley Crue

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Speaker 1: you know, and even that was a little tamer than

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Speaker 2: And I kind of don't know how to explain that.

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Speaker 2: Let's just make it about the ladies.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's so funny because there there's this amazing patent

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Speaker 1: Al's Walt joke that he talks about. I think it's

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Speaker 1: on his first album, or maybe it's the second album.

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Speaker 2: I don't really know, but he.

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Speaker 1: that concept is so crazy, because it is that thing

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Speaker 2: It's like they have those moments of like, whoa, I

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Speaker 3: And the monker's about that is that like they're kind

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Speaker 2: Beautiful queen walking before me.

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Speaker 3: I immediately have to do something hyper disgusting to make

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Speaker 3: comolluted mix that we grew up with. It's strange, like

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Speaker 3: the sexual sexualization and sexuality in heavy metal has always

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Speaker 2: Me, totally.

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Speaker 3: Let me tell you, I've been watching the one video

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Speaker 3: all day in preparation for this, not just because I

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Speaker 3: love that song and it was the first song I

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Speaker 3: tried to learn a guitar.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god.

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Speaker 3: I bought a guitar from my friend Angela, her brother Justin.

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Speaker 3: when I was in eighth grade, seventh or eighth grade,

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Speaker 3: wanted to goddamn rock and I got all these Guitar

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Speaker 3: player magazines with like Kirk Hammon on the cover, and like,

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Speaker 3: My grandma wouldn't let me plug in the amp, and

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Speaker 3: a video where they they use footage from the film

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Speaker 3: Johnny Got His Gun, and it's all about this guy

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Speaker 1: So that's like spliced in between this song. Timothy Bottoms,

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Speaker 2: Is it really? Yeah? It terrifies the fuck out of me.

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Speaker 1: To this day, and particularly because I think I saw

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Speaker 1: He is just like straight up like angry singing in

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Speaker 1: I'm like Jesus, and it's just like a real tight

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Speaker 2: Right, he's right on, he hits his mark, he's right

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Speaker 3: But he is smoking that cigarette to the bitter end,

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Speaker 2: Of his mouth as he's singing, Like.

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Speaker 1: You would not see Dave Mustaine in a hot with

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But then when he got down to it, like

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Speaker 2: Like I just thought, oh, they're angry.

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Speaker 1: And so when I saw the one video, I was like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 3: It was that terrified me. That part movie part of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, And I was like, I don't know

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Speaker 3: This is great And it was fucking headbanging in Unison

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Speaker 3: was I posted this on my own my personal Instagram

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Speaker 3: a couple of years ago. But like headbanging in Unison

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Speaker 3: pivotal moment in my dirt bag history, Like a pivotal

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Speaker 2: I can totally see that.

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Speaker 1: It's that part where it's like the middle part that's

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Speaker 1: I was like, I was truly shook because I was like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, it's not like it's just this like

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Speaker 1: compounding fear. It's like you have scary legit metal head

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Speaker 1: There's this like Timothy Bottoms, you know, wounded soldier who

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Speaker 2: I mean, it was like, yes, primal fear.

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Speaker 3: For me, it felt to me like like classical music,

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Speaker 3: Like I love classical music. Also, I basically love music

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Speaker 3: that makes me feel diabolical or relaxed, like those are

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Speaker 3: And it felt to me like like some classical shit

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Speaker 3: to see that as a kid, and like see men

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Speaker 2: I would say he was the heavy metal Fred Astare.

439
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:18,199
Speaker 2: You know, okay good? Nobody else is doing it. No

440
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 2: one else was doing it and pulling it off. I have.

441
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,360
Speaker 3: Actually I wrote about David Lee Roth in my book.

442
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 3: There's a part of my book where I write about

443
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 3: getting ready for school one morning with my grandma and

444
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 3: listening to the radio and my brother and I used

445
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 3: to love the song I Ain't Got Nobody, Oh me too,

446
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 3: And so that part where he's like, we would always

447
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,159
Speaker 3: do that part and just like fall out, laughing, and

448
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 3: my grandma thought we were nuts. She's like, what is

449
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 3: wrong with you kids? Like this used to be a

450
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 3: good song. Who is this man singing it? I didn't

451
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,480
Speaker 3: know it was an old song. I had no idea,

452
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:52,400
Speaker 3: Like it's David Lee Roth.

453
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 2: He's the best.

454
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 3: We see him on MTV when we go to Aaron's house.

455
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:55,680
Speaker 3: It's awesome.

456
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:57,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, And that's what I mean.

457
00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 1: He was like he covered that Louis Prima song and

458
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 1: it was all it was kind of like a fun,

459
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 1: big bandish type of song and it's got He's got

460
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:10,239
Speaker 1: the like guys going Nobody, Nobuddy, Nobody, and it's that

461
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,880
Speaker 1: thing where you're like, oh, this isn't like Tommy Lee

462
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,479
Speaker 1: right in the Girls Girls Girls video where he's like

463
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 1: looking at strippers. I mean, this is like David Lee

464
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:24,440
Speaker 1: Roth is like I don't know, like Foghorn, leghorn.

465
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:24,640
Speaker 2: Or something else.

466
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:29,200
Speaker 1: He's not you know, he's not this agros you know,

467
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 1: like macho dude.

468
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,399
Speaker 3: He had a strut for sure, but he also had

469
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:39,640
Speaker 3: a very cartoonish relationship with women, like even in my memory,

470
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 3: and I could be completely wrong, but in my memory

471
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 3: those videos, both David Lee Roth and Van Halen videos

472
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 3: like a woman will be dancing in a bikini and

473
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:49,679
Speaker 3: he would always just like put his face in and

474
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,919
Speaker 3: be like whoa and then pop out. Like he was

475
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 3: never like lecherous about it, so he made it funny

476
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 3: in a way.

477
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 2: Like he pointed out the absurdity of what was happening.

478
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 1: Exactly, like he said, his mission wasn't to like, you know,

479
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:04,440
Speaker 1: grab a bunch of asses or something, you know what

480
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 1: I mean, at least, like I said, this is based

481
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 1: on the information that I've seen on MTV, Like maybe

482
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 1: there's some footage of them.

483
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,640
Speaker 2: Out there, so where I don't know, but this was based.

484
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,680
Speaker 1: On the information that I got when I was in

485
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:19,919
Speaker 1: elementary middle school. And this at the same time too,

486
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,679
Speaker 1: I was also obsessed with zz top videos for the

487
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:28,880
Speaker 1: same exact reason, Like.

488
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 2: We you have to explain that. So in the I swear.

489
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 1: In the eighties, you know, zazy Top had this big

490
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:42,159
Speaker 1: comeback ish kind of career and they were doing you know,

491
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 1: the videos for legs, and to me, it was the

492
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,919
Speaker 1: same vibe of like it felt like a cartoon. So

493
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 1: in the legis video where you know, the girl goes

494
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 1: from like geek to chic, right, and then it's like

495
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 1: the only the thing that happened and says she gets

496
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 1: picked up by a car full of like sexy ladies

497
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 1: and then gets a makeover and the whole the whole

498
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 1: story is about like how her boss sucks. And then

499
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 1: you watch it now and you're like, oh, this is

500
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 1: like a John Waters movie because there's all the characters

501
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:19,160
Speaker 1: in the video where like they look like John Waters characters.

502
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 1: You've got like, you know, the old lady in the

503
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,439
Speaker 1: housecoat with like the curlers and the cigarette and like,

504
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 1: you know, you got you know, the guy working at

505
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 1: the shoe store that looks like he kind of reminds

506
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 1: me of the guy from Sparks with the mustache, like

507
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 1: he just they have those like really over the top,

508
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,120
Speaker 1: you know, sort of John Waters he kind of looks.

509
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 2: And and again that was another thing too, where you.

510
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 1: Didn't watch the guys from Zizy Top like grab an Ass.

511
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 1: They were like this sort of they would kind of

512
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:51,679
Speaker 1: pop in and out. They were almost like you know,

513
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 1: spirits or something. They would come and pop in and

514
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,120
Speaker 1: out and be like doing their like magic.

515
00:26:59,000 --> 00:26:59,239
Speaker 3: You know.

516
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 2: And it was like this is funny, funny.

517
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 3: And weird, and and they hard to beards like which

518
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:06,919
Speaker 3: made them instantly cartoonish.

519
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 2: And they were spinning their guitars around on their belt,

520
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 2: bitting the guitars.

521
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 3: Like they weren't just definitely the cartoon ghosts of rock

522
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 3: and roll.

523
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 2: Over a while, and.

524
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 1: You know, maybe there's something to that because at the time,

525
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 1: you know, at least with Van Halen had been around

526
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 1: for a while. These the Top had definitely been around

527
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 1: for a while, and like maybe this because they were

528
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: older and they were just not doing the thing that

529
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 1: you know, obviously like Warrant was doing, where they were

530
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 1: like young and hyper sexual and they were trying to

531
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 1: have a laugh almost.

532
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 2: That's what it kind of seemed to me.

533
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,360
Speaker 3: Well, and you you also have to take into into

534
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 3: effect that which is something I always have to remember

535
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 3: too when I think about that era, is that so

536
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 3: many of these bands preceded MTV and videos, so they

537
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:58,120
Speaker 3: existed on a different plane entirely and had to adjust

538
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 3: to being seen. And they're adjustment to being seen was

539
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,400
Speaker 3: to go over the top and be totally bonkers because

540
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,640
Speaker 3: again like Metallica, Aeros, but like all these bands were

541
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 3: like concert bands and club bands, and they were not

542
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 3: like you know, arena rock bands for the most part

543
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 3: until video came around and exposed them to a wider audience.

544
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 3: So these are all people who were like you know,

545
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 3: they all had to adjust to that, and so their

546
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 3: imagery is very over the top because I think that

547
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:30,360
Speaker 3: that's what that era called for.

548
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 2: Like video was new and MTV.

549
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: Was new exactly by the time I was in sixth

550
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: and seventh grade, and I was really like hanging out

551
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: with friends and all this stuff. We were definitely like

552
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 1: listening to the radio. I had the big bangs. There

553
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: was this this girl named Marcy.

554
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 2: She was a Filipina like I was.

555
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: And I was like, again, another girl that I have

556
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: no idea what happened to her after school?

557
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 2: I'm like, where are you, Mercy? You're a legend. She

558
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 2: was the one that taught me how to tease my bangs. Amazing.

559
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 2: You know.

560
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 1: It was that sort of thing where you take the

561
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: curling iron, we spray a bunch of hair, spray, take

562
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 1: the curling iron, you know, spray the hair while it's

563
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: on the curling iron. You want to hear the sizzle, yep,

564
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: and then you know, let it go, tease it out,

565
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: do it again, and then just creating this like fucking

566
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: like mountain range of bangs. And that was the look.

567
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: That was the fucking look was some shit. Let me

568
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: tell you.

569
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 3: The ways that I have fucked up my hair before

570
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 3: I went natural was immense, but none more so than

571
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 3: my six seventh eighth grade years and I think I

572
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 3: will post.

573
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 2: I do think.

574
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 3: I have a picture of my eight from my eighth

575
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 3: grade year book where I had the hair, but my

576
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 3: grandma made me bear like a nice sweater, but I

577
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 3: had to put aquinet on. This hair was a disaster,

578
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 3: and I had the bangs that went up and back

579
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 3: like the curling iron up and back. But then they

580
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 3: also had the little spider in the front spy, so

581
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 3: we were doing both ways. We're just getting that hair

582
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 3: out there to the sky, to the sky, and I

583
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 3: had to learn how to tease it.

584
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 2: And I put putting hair spray.

585
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 3: On my black ass straightened hair, and it was straightened

586
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 3: with like a hot comb, so it wasn't even like

587
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 3: chemical straightener. Yet it would just turn like white and

588
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 3: it would get so hard it was impossible to get

589
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 3: out of my hair.

590
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 2: It was misery.

591
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 3: And these are among the many things that my grandmother

592
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 3: will like never forgive me for because she hated the music,

593
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 3: but she hated the look even more, yeah, because it

594
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 3: was like more work for her to try to like

595
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 3: get that shit out of my hair, get me that's normal.

596
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 2: The look was.

597
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: Definitely like really hard hair, like literally texture wise hard,

598
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: and then make up very sort of eighties like wet, wild,

599
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: hot pinks, and then the clothes.

600
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 2: It's so interesting because the thing I.

601
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 1: Think I liked the most about this period for me

602
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: was that I was like, Oh, this is low maintenance.

603
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 2: I love it. I don't have to fucking you know.

604
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: The who I always say is the sort of quintessential

605
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: look for me when I was in this era eighty eight,

606
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: eighty nine whatever into like you know, hair bands, was

607
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: Ione Sky from River's Edge. Her look is the absolute

608
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: perfect model of what I wanted to look like.

609
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, so she's.

610
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: Got the kind of like long hair with the bangs,

611
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: but also she kind of wears ripped jeans, like she's

612
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: got like flannels and baggy sweaters, and so she wasn't like,

613
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: you know, obviously wearing you know, like the women in

614
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: the Decline documentary are obviously older and they go out

615
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: to clubs and so that's why they looked really skimpy.

616
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 1: But like, if you were like a teenager, it was

617
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: like you were trying to dress like the guys. Like

618
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: everybody just wanted to dress like in ripped up jeans

619
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: and you know, leather jackelates stuff.

620
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,719
Speaker 3: And I didn't get into the makeup side of it.

621
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 3: And I think that's kind of where my own kind

622
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 3: of life of low maintenance began because I didn't wear

623
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 3: the ma. I'd had the hair, but I never wore makeup.

624
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 3: And I just liked the fact that I could wear

625
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 3: shit that was fucked up looking like you said, it

626
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 3: was like thrashed. I could wear my Converse sneakers into

627
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 3: the ground to like my toes were popping out of

628
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 3: the sides, and like, just wear shit to death like

629
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 3: that was the look, and I fucking loved it.

630
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: I have a picture of me in this combination. I

631
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: loved wearing a flannel, a red flannel unbuttoned over an

632
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: Emcy Esher T shirt. That was my fucking seventh grade

633
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: look with the bangs, you know, some kind of like

634
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: Doc bart and ish, you know, boot and then ripped

635
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: hem jeans Like I just wanted to look like a guy. Basically,

636
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: I wanted to wear like what metal head guys were

637
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: wearing and not like I wasn't wearing like Bousier bras

638
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: and shit, like you.

639
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 2: Know it was at Fredrick's of Hollywood or anything.

640
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 3: But that's also that's an important something that I think

641
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 3: that I wanted to talk about too, is that the

642
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 3: importance of denoting that that kind of gravitating more towards

643
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 3: the angry guy side of things instead of like the

644
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 3: skimpy girl towards of things in our in our own life,

645
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 3: because I think that it behooves people to remember in

646
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,719
Speaker 3: this point of life in the eighties, it was just

647
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 3: far removed enough from punk that I didn't know about

648
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 3: women playing music and being angry. That wouldn't come to

649
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 3: me until like the grunge nineties stuff, and then I

650
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 3: could go back and listen to punk. But I wasn't like,

651
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 3: and I'm not going to front I'm not like, I'm

652
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 3: listening to punk forever. No, Like I listened in what

653
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 3: was on the radio, and then I listened to what

654
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 3: was on MTV, and then I found my own identity.

655
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 3: So I didn't know about women playing music and being

656
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 3: angry about it, you know. I knew about like the Supremes,

657
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 3: like the pops of So it was really important, I think,

658
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:25,280
Speaker 3: the to my formation to see ways to be angry,

659
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 3: because that was not a road that was open to

660
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 3: us as young women, and heavy metal gave that to

661
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 3: me where there were other women who were angry, there

662
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 3: were other women in the crowd dressed like me and

663
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 3: not like the skimpy side, and like we were all

664
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 3: shapes and sizes, even though I was usually the only

665
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 3: black one, but that's fine. But we were all shapes

666
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 3: and sizes and it wasn't about being kind, you know,

667
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,760
Speaker 3: it wasn't about being nice. It was about like fucking

668
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 3: throwing yourself around a room and being mad. And that

669
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 3: was an important moment for me to discover that I

670
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 3: could like express that anger, but that it was also

671
00:34:58,280 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 3: okay for me to have that anger.

672
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I think them like metal chicks were tough.

673
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: Like I think that they had a toughness about them,

674
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 1: even if they were wearing like skimpy underwear. Like I

675
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: remember watching the Kiss Me Deadly video by Leada Ford

676
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: and thinking like, wow, she's so hot, but she's also tough,

677
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: Like she doesn't seem like she takes any shit. And

678
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: you know her song is like, you know, didn't get laid,

679
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: got in a fight last Saturday.

680
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:28,800
Speaker 2: That didn't get in a fight. It ain't no big thing.

681
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: Like I'm like, that is not that is something that yeah,

682
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 1: imprinted I think on me like at that time as

683
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: being like, oh this isn't a scene necessarily. I mean, like,

684
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 1: let's not get too crazy, because we know that there

685
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: were obviously women who were very content with sort of

686
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 1: like sort of letting the men sort of navigate the

687
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: scene and not having much to say about it, right,

688
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: But like, for the most part, the women that I

689
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 1: saw that were in like performing the music, they tough,

690
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: like Bixen and fucking lenal Forward and like you.

691
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 2: Know that kind of stuff.

692
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: And then of course, yeah, later you get to like

693
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: all those alternative bands and especially bands to me like

694
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: Babes and Toyland and L seven and all that stuff,

695
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: which was mind blowing for me.

696
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 2: Sae. Yeah.

697
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: But that's the thing I think too, is that I

698
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 1: think when I was growing up, I.

699
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 2: Played the sports.

700
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: I played sports when I was in middle school and

701
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: in high school, I was always bigger than all the

702
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 1: other girls. And because of that, I felt older and

703
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: I just was never I just wanted.

704
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 2: To get in there, like I was not.

705
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: I just I when it came down to it, I

706
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 1: was sort of like I didn't have like a.

707
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 2: Cute look to me when I was a kid. I

708
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 2: just wasn't cute.

709
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: Like I didn't wear dresses, you know, I tried to

710
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,359
Speaker 1: dress like the guys, like even in high school when

711
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: I was you know, kind of doing that whole, like

712
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: I'm a fake skinner. We talked about that in the

713
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: Gleam of the Cube episode where it's like I just

714
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: want to be a skater guy's girlfriend. I didn't want

715
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:08,240
Speaker 1: to be a skater, but I dress like and guys

716
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: clothes then too. And for me, I think that was

717
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: like very common between me and my friends, was that

718
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: we weren't doing the whole like you know, makeup and

719
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 1: gap sweater and you know, the cute preppy looks.

720
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 2: We were like exactly trying to look rough. Well that's

721
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 2: because that's how we felt.

722
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 3: I felt rough and I was super tall, and I

723
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 3: was you know, tall and gangly and like again like

724
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 3: black in a town that was predominantly white, Like there

725
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 3: was nothing about my existence that made me feel like

726
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 3: I fit in. And I think you can either go

727
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 3: one of two ways when that happens, when you have

728
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 3: that discovery. You either run super hard towards trying to

729
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 3: fit in, and you do the gap sweater and you

730
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 3: do the makeup and you do everything you can to

731
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 3: try to fit in, or you say, fuck this shit,

732
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 3: and you do whatever the fuck else you want, Like

733
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 3: you just go either way, like that road diverges and

734
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 3: you split away from the norm one way or the

735
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 3: other by becoming hyper normal or not at all normal.

736
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, to me, it didn't feel like it didn't feel

737
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: like the normal track applied to me because I thought same,

738
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: I'm not thin enough, I'm not white enough, I'm not

739
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: feminine enough. I just did not feel like that. I

740
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: couldn't even go there and fake it, like I could

741
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: even fake it. And it's funny because in middle school,

742
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: which was the big, the big metal years for me,

743
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: it really was like one moment I was hanging out

744
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 1: with people who were into sports, which you know, it

745
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: was a lot of like people who you know, were

746
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 1: sort of into like preppy things, and I played tennis,

747
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 1: you know that kind of stuff too, hung out with

748
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: like a lot of like people who were listening to

749
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: country music, if you know what I mean. Yes, But

750
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: then yeah, it wasn't if it wasn't for Monica and

751
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: Kim and sort of like you can just tell these

752
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 1: are girls from your school that probably were kind of alternative,

753
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 1: although alternative didn't exist and he didn't know what it

754
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: was yet, but Yeah, they were definitely more kind of

755
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: like fun to hang out with a little more like

756
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 1: you know, kind of wearing ripped up jeans and flannels

757
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 1: and not like, Yeah, it wasn't a beauty patchet with them,

758
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 1: and I felt like comfortable with them and going in

759
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: that direction versus being like, you know what, I should

760
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: just like wear a bunch of fucking dresses from contempo

761
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,760
Speaker 1: casuals or whatever, not except casual.

762
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 2: Ah. I completely agree.

763
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 3: And I think there's there's another layer of that for

764
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 3: me as well, which is that, like I had a

765
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 3: lot of body trauma because I grew up in an

766
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 3: abusive home.

767
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 2: I didn't want people looking at me or touching me.

768
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 3: So I was never going to run towards that kind

769
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 3: of ultra feminine, skimpy stuff because I was dealing with

770
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 3: something else entirely, and so it was great to me.

771
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 3: And I think that's why I kind of progressed with

772
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 3: that angry or metal, because I felt like anything that

773
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 3: would make me invisible or that would get people to

774
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 3: not pay attention to me at all was great. Like

775
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 3: I don't want you to pay attention to my body,

776
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 3: but I also don't want you to pay attention to

777
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 3: my face or my height or anything about me because

778
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 3: I don't fit in, so just ignore me. And it

779
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 3: was kind of and then I could take that anger

780
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 3: and put it somewhere. So I think that that is

781
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 3: you're right, like there's a place for that for a

782
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 3: lot of young women who were in this scene who

783
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 3: just didn't want to be touched or sexualized.

784
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 2: And it's a.

785
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 3: Very strange, very very strange, roundabout way to get there

786
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 3: through this like ultra misogynistic music for the most part.

787
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 3: But that's also why I think I liked the heavy

788
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 3: or heavy metal because it wasn't about women and girls

789
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 3: and like you know, show an ass or anything. It

790
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 3: was like this guy wants to die in a fucking

791
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 3: hospital and he has no limbs and he can't talk, and.

792
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 2: Like that to me was like cool, and you're not

793
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,240
Speaker 2: even talking about bodies. Awesome.

794
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, So there is something to that where it's like,

795
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 3: it makes total sense to me that a lot of

796
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 3: a lot of young women found a home in heavy

797
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 3: metal because it wasn't about us being seen or sexualized

798
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 3: at that level.

799
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I and too, I just don't think I I

800
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 1: just was not confident in myself where I thought, oh,

801
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: I could be a girlfriend of a guy. That's like

802
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:18,959
Speaker 1: I just thought, Oh, I just have to be in

803
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: the into what the boys are into. I wanted to

804
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 1: be as bad ass as a guy who was in

805
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 1: a rock band. I wasn't like, Oh, I'm going to

806
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 1: sit and wait for him backstage and hope that he'll

807
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 1: see me and want to date me. I was like, oh,

808
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: I want to be him. I don't want to like

809
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: be in love with him, if you know what I.

810
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 2: Mean, that's huge.

811
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 3: That is a huge mental shift in an important way.

812
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 3: I completely get it, and I feel the same way

813
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 3: where I was like, I don't want to be fawning.

814
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 3: I kind of, you know, before him, if I learned about,

815
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 3: you know, the misogyny that women can also have towards

816
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 3: each other, I didn't. I kind of kind of looked

817
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 3: down on the kind of groupie style women for a

818
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 3: long time because I'm like, oh, God, why would you

819
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 3: want to do that when you could just like grab

820
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,959
Speaker 3: a guitar and be awesome And it's just a totally

821
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 3: different ethos And that's fine. Like I eventually, of course

822
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 3: realized that, But I'm with you, Like I wanted to

823
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 3: kick ass and I wanted to be invincible, and that's

824
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 3: what those people felt like to me.

825
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, in a weird way, I kind of

826
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 1: wanted to be David Lee Roth. I wanted to be

827
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: I wanted to have the body confidence of David Lee Roth.

828
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: I wanted to have people, you know, sort of be

829
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: entertained and sort of be funny and you know, a

830
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: character that was like everything to me. And of course,

831
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: when you're like such a young person, you just don't

832
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 1: have any of that. You don't have any confidence, and

833
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: you don't really know what's going on in your body.

834
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 2: You don't you know, kind of know anything.

835
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: And so yeah, it's you kind of look to these

836
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 1: bigger than live characters. Well and the other thing too,

837
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: is that I was going to ask you, like, I

838
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: want to know, like who was the biggest like who

839
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: was the metal head at your school or like in

840
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: your neighborhood or whatever, because I'm always so very curious

841
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: about the people that you just knew, who were the

842
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: archetype of that thing you wanted.

843
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, there was.

844
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 3: Okay, so there was this guy who's a couple of

845
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,800
Speaker 3: grades older than me, but I think he failed one.

846
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 3: So i'd see him on the bus occasionally when he

847
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 3: did decide to come to school. I don't ever allowed

848
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 3: to use his last name, but I'll say the name.

849
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,879
Speaker 3: We can maybe bleep it out. But his name was Joe.

850
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 3: And he had straight, feathered fucking hair, like down to

851
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 3: his waist, like he.

852
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 2: Just had long, long, long, long hair, like.

853
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 3: One of those skimpy, disgusting mustaches that you get when

854
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 3: you're a teenager. He always wore it was like a

855
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 3: denim vest but had like black leather sleeves that was

856
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 3: like his winter coat.

857
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

858
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:54,919
Speaker 3: And then he always wore a black T shirt, either

859
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 3: playing black or a band T shirt. He constantly smoked,

860
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 3: like he smoked against the school as we were walking in,

861
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,760
Speaker 3: and he smoked out of the bus window, constantly smoking,

862
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 3: and just like like big black boots, like heavy black boots,

863
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 3: jeans too big by a little bit and just kind

864
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 3: of like slashing into the boots. I remember him so vividly.

865
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 3: He was like the heavy metal guy for me and

866
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 3: the heavy metal girl. Strangely, her mom was the detention lady. Teresa.

867
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 3: Her mom was the detention lady, and she always had

868
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 3: this like big, teased out fucking hair. She was a sweetheart.

869
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 3: But she always just like wore black and jeans and

870
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,439
Speaker 3: boots and like the big hair, and then her mom

871
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,399
Speaker 3: was like the detention lady, and I'm like, that was.

872
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 2: So fucking funny.

873
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 1: Of course, of course it was fantastic.

874
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 3: There were a lot, like, there were a lot of

875
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 3: those are the two that stand out in my mind,

876
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 3: but I think that there were a lot of variations

877
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 3: of that going on in my school for sure.

878
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 1: So there was this guy in my high school who

879
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 1: was pretty much the metal head like in high school,

880
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: and he was a loner, Like he was kind of

881
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,439
Speaker 1: that guy where he was kind of like he had

882
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 1: certain friends that would kind of like I see him

883
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: talking to people in the hallways, like, and they were

884
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: kind of like punk guys. But like this guy was

885
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 1: a straight up metal head and he was by himself

886
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: almost all the time, and everybody was kind of freaked

887
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: out by him. He kind of looked like Gigi Allen,

888
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 1: like in this really weird way. I mean, he wasn't

889
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: as like broken toothed as Gigi Allen, but he had

890
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: that look like shaved head and like sinister facial hair,

891
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: and he just was like scary, kind of a scary

892
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: dude and there was all these like rumors about him

893
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: that he was like, you know, a big like he

894
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: did like whippets and sniffed gold. He was just kind

895
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: of unhinged, you know, because it's like that thing right

896
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 1: where it's like, oh, here's somebody who's you know, let's

897
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: create this entire narrative about him, even though we've never

898
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: fucking talk to him ever, right exactly, I knew him

899
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 1: kind of threw my friend Jesse sort of, but I

900
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:09,439
Speaker 1: never really talked to him.

901
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 2: Like he would be.

902
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: Around once in a while, but I just I mean,

903
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,879
Speaker 1: we never really like we're we never really hung out.

904
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 1: So many years after I graduated from high school when

905
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 1: I was actually I think I might have still been

906
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: in college, but maybe I was, or I just had

907
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 1: graduated from college. I went and saw Danzig. I had

908
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 1: never seen dancing before. I was a huge Misfits fan.

909
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 1: I still am to this day. And I love the

910
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 1: first Dancing album a lot, and you know, it's just

911
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 1: you know, dancing just generally you know his vibe, right,

912
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 1: and that's an interesting vibe to me.

913
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 2: Even though Wow, just like.

914
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, he's a lot now, like with his movie

915
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: and his comic books and shit.

916
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 3: That picture of him carrying cat litter is never gonna

917
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 3: fail to like make me laugh.

918
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 2: King of the Internet meme right there.

919
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: So my friend Farzad got us tickets to see Danzig,

920
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 1: and the biggest the reason we went was because we

921
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 1: heard that Doyle from the Misfits was playing bass with Danzig,

922
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:17,359
Speaker 1: and it was sort of like, you know, the whole

923
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:18,879
Speaker 1: thing about the Misfits is that, you know.

924
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 2: They burned out bright, you know early.

925
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 1: Like Danzig left the band and then the rest of

926
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: the band kind of continued on without him. But a

927
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 1: lot of people who like the Misfits are like, no,

928
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: that's not the real Misfit's like, you know, the Jerry

929
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 1: only Misfits or that, and Danzig is the is the

930
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 1: real Misfits. But you know, they hated each other and

931
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 1: so we were like, the idea that they would ever

932
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:44,799
Speaker 1: get back together was like unheard of, right, and we

933
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: were like, but two people from the Misfits is better

934
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 1: than zero. So we gotta go see Danzig because we

935
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 1: kept hearing that they're playing like four or five Misfits songs, right,

936
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 1: So we walk into the it's not as it wasn't

937
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 1: at an arena. It was like kind of this like

938
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: mid level club, but it wasn't small. It was kind

939
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 1: of like an amphitheater maybe I don't know what to

940
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: call it. We walk in, We hand the guy our tickets.

941
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: You know, there's pat INA's down right heavy metal concert.

942
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 2: And right by the front of the entrance.

943
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,359
Speaker 1: Is this guy from my high school, the metal head

944
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 1: from my high school, who I hadn't seen at that

945
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 1: point in probably like six or seven years. He looked

946
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 1: exactly the same, He had the same Gigi Allen look

947
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 1: pretty much the same clothes, black you know, heavy metal

948
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 1: t shirt with like a best another like a best scenario,

949
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 1: and we locked eyes. Like he was the first person

950
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 1: I saw when I walked into the show, and I

951
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: was like, this guy is going to be like, who

952
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: is this fucking poser from my high school that's at

953
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: the heavy metal Like like who is it?

954
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 2: Why is this woman at the show?

955
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 1: And I walked in and I wasn't actually gonna say

956
00:48:58,280 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 1: anything to him because I just thought, I he does

957
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 1: I don't know him well enough and I don't really

958
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 1: know if he even knows who I am, but he

959
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 1: like I walked in and he looked at me and

960
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 1: he started noding his head like this and goes to Chericho.

961
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 1: Oh my god, good to see at a dancing concert.

962
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 3: RELLI, this was the meat cute of all ages that

963
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,720
Speaker 3: you just lett slide on by.

964
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,879
Speaker 2: That is incredible, what I tell you.

965
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:31,720
Speaker 1: I have never felt more validation in my entire life

966
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 1: than in at the moment I would. I Literally, to

967
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 1: this day, I'm on a cloud when I think about it,

968
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 1: because I'm like, I got props from the fucking og

969
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: metal head from my high school.

970
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 2: And he gave me that. Noah, that's like, yeah, that

971
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:53,919
Speaker 2: is I'm like, I have chills. I have chills. Wasn't

972
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 2: even my life or my experience.

973
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 3: I have chills because I know what that feels like,

974
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 3: that validation from like the cool guy. Holy shits, like

975
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 3: not even the cool guy, like the pure metal head.

976
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, the pure metal head that was a metal head

977
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: in spite of literally everybody.

978
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 2: Yes, and you know, he had rumors and there were rumors.

979
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 1: About him, like he they were like he probably sacrifices

980
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 1: dogs and shit.

981
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,919
Speaker 3: I hope he runs a tech company right now and

982
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,919
Speaker 3: he hears this episode and it's just like, yeah, she's cool,

983
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,399
Speaker 3: let's go. He sends you a helicopter. You go see

984
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 3: a fucking private dancing show. I need this to happen.

985
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, but even if it ends with the validation

986
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:37,320
Speaker 3: of seeing it, that is enough for a lifetime.

987
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 2: I would coast on that feeling for the rest of

988
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 2: my fucking life.

989
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 1: Well, and let me just tell you, Farzad and I

990
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 1: were the assholes at the show. We were the only

991
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 1: people at the show that were We did not look

992
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: like demons, and we stood out like fucking sore thumbs

993
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 1: like everybody in the show was literally they literally looked

994
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 1: like dancing and we were like two idiots wearing like

995
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 1: you know, I don't even know. I think I was

996
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 1: wearing like a pink T shirt. I was like the

997
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: block was I even thinking? But we stuck out. And

998
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 1: the fact that I felt because I was definitely gonna

999
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,319
Speaker 1: feel I was like, I'm feeling uncomfortable rolling up to

1000
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: this dance a concert because like we are posers.

1001
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 2: But the fact that the guy noticed me and like

1002
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 2: told me that it was.

1003
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,720
Speaker 1: Okay to be there, I was like, Okay, I feel

1004
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:19,439
Speaker 1: good now I'm allowed to be here.

1005
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 3: Beautiful. That is a beautiful fucking moment. Holy shit, I

1006
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:28,240
Speaker 3: saw someone I didn't have that exact experience, of course,

1007
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 3: but I used to sneak into this club that played

1008
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 3: that a lot of bands played at, and sometimes bigger

1009
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 3: bands would come and play, like on their way to

1010
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 3: New York City to play arenas and shit in like

1011
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:44,320
Speaker 3: big big shows. And the club was called The Chance

1012
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 3: and it was in Poughkeepsie, and someone eventually got stabbed there.

1013
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 3: There was lots of like bash shit going on, but

1014
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 3: that was a club I snuck into the same music.

1015
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 3: And because I was tall when I was a teenager,

1016
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 3: because I was tall, and because I didn't drink, people

1017
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 3: me in.

1018
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1019
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 3: I was just like, I'm just here to see the band.

1020
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 3: You don't have to give me a wristband. I'm not

1021
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 3: going to try to drink. Like I literally just went,

1022
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 3: I'll stand here next to you all night. I just

1023
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:08,839
Speaker 3: want to see the band.

1024
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 2: That's so sweet.

1025
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:13,839
Speaker 1: I remember people like that, like they were like underage,

1026
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: but they were like, I just want to see the music, and.

1027
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, you would let them in, come on, like trust me,

1028
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:23,280
Speaker 3: Like I drove here myself. I'm not a drunk driver

1029
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:25,399
Speaker 3: like it is. It was like that, and I would

1030
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 3: go sometimes with my friend Heather, who always got ripped right,

1031
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 3: But we would just go and see music, and it

1032
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 3: was always cool when I saw people who were like

1033
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 3: not from my school, but like my own age there

1034
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:40,720
Speaker 3: and kind of feeling like, oh, there is a world

1035
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 3: outside of myself a little bit. So I would have

1036
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:44,760
Speaker 3: killed for that kind of validation from like a Joe

1037
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 3: in my school.

1038
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 2: But they didn't even know I went. They didn't even

1039
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 2: know I was doing it.

1040
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 1: I know, I know, And that's to me, like I

1041
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 1: have so many I mean, we honestly have to do.

1042
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 2: Concerts were such a big part.

1043
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 1: Of my life actually when I got to college because

1044
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 1: I worked in college radio and I was going I

1045
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 1: was literally going to like three or four concerts sometimes

1046
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 1: in the same night. And there are so there's such

1047
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:14,439
Speaker 1: a they're like it's own ecosystem. Yeah, and like they're

1048
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 1: so like, you know, the cool people and the doorkey people.

1049
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like going into a cafeteria at a

1050
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 1: high school. It's the same energy, the people who wouldn't dance,

1051
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 1: people who wouldn't dance. Yeah, And also like seeing people's

1052
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 1: boyfriends talking to other girls and seeing you know, all

1053
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: along the spectrum and you're just sort of like, oh

1054
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 1: my god, drama, high drama. But it was that thing

1055
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: that sometimes I did feel like I wasn't allowed, especially

1056
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 1: when you would go to something that was definitely a

1057
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 1: specific scene like heavy metal, like you're like, oh, I'm

1058
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 1: not allowed to be here, like I'm definitely not as

1059
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 1: right metal as any of these people. But then just

1060
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 1: to have somebody that you know there, just literally somebody

1061
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:57,319
Speaker 1: you know there is such a comfort, you know, let

1062
00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 1: alone the cool metal guy from your school.

1063
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 3: So well, we will definitely do we should do a

1064
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 3: definite separate concert bonus episode for sure, because as I'm

1065
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 3: sitting here now at forty three with a mouthful of

1066
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 3: braces and a heating pad on my shoulder, ah, I

1067
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 3: would love to visit a time when I could go

1068
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 3: and throw myself around to music and not feel broken

1069
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 3: immediately after.

1070
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:29,840
Speaker 1: I'm telling you I like, for me, it was rough

1071
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 1: because even in my thirties, when I was still living

1072
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 1: in Atlanta, you could still smoke in the bars, and

1073
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 1: I was like, damn, Like when I would come out

1074
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 1: of those concerts, I'd be like, Okay, I'm too old

1075
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: for this shit, and I stink and I have to

1076
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 1: take a shower before I get into this bed. And

1077
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 1: I'm sweaty, and I'm like, what am I doing. I'm

1078
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 1: too old for this. I'm too old.

1079
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 3: But as a kid, there was nothing better. There was

1080
00:54:57,800 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 3: nothing better better.

1081
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 1: And of course, now that we've gone through pandemic and

1082
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 1: you know, everything like that, I'm like, I would go

1083
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 1: to a concert, Like as much as I fucking hate concerts,

1084
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:10,280
Speaker 1: now I'd be like, I'd go to a concert simply

1085
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 1: because we've been on lockdown.

1086
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 3: But I feel like lockdown is on the exact opposite

1087
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 3: to me, where I'm like, if I get a drop

1088
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 3: of someone else's sweat on me, I'm going to the hospital.

1089
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:22,800
Speaker 2: Like I will go to it.

1090
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 3: The kind of concept where it's like the Hollywood Bowl

1091
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 3: where you have a little little seating area. Yeah, but

1092
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 3: I don't know that could change. I could change when

1093
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 3: things open up for real, because right now I feel like, ooh,

1094
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 3: I'm still too scared because I still see too much

1095
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:39,839
Speaker 3: bullshit going on. But I do miss that. I think

1096
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 3: I would like to try it again in the future,

1097
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:43,840
Speaker 3: at least one because I missed that feeling of like

1098
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 3: the energy of being in a pit and like dancing

1099
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 3: at a club or something.

1100
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it has to be very Yeah, the conditions have

1101
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 1: to be perfect for me at this point, Like, it

1102
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 1: has to be a band that I really can rely

1103
00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 1: on to be like a good fantasy lives to be

1104
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 1: like I don't go and shit blind fuck that, never

1105
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 1: doing that ever again. But if it's a band I know,

1106
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 1: that are awesome. If it's a club that I know,

1107
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:12,280
Speaker 1: if I know a lot of people that are going,

1108
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 1: I might entertain it.

1109
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean same, same the last show I

1110
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 3: went to, and again we'll talk about it. Actually I'll

1111
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 3: save it. I'll save it for our concert episode. Oh good, Okay,

1112
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 3: But this was fun. I love that we both had

1113
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 3: heavy metal roots and that again further proof that we

1114
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 3: would have been friends as kids.

1115
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 2: This is awesome.

1116
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:34,800
Speaker 1: I truly think that it would have been so awesome

1117
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 1: if you were in my high school and hanging out

1118
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 1: with like me and my like my two friends, that

1119
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 1: I would have loved a third friend. But yeah, no,

1120
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 1: it's funny because I like, like I said, I think

1121
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 1: at the top of the episode, like we are of

1122
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: a certain age. This was a huge part of our

1123
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 1: growing up. But I also think it's also like I

1124
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 1: don't think a lot of younger people really know this

1125
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 1: era exactly, and I.

1126
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 2: Just think it might be. I feel like it is.

1127
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 1: Ripe for discovery, but I feel like people will be

1128
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 1: fucking horrified, and I'm also scared, so I don't know.

1129
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, it's gonna be like they're gonna roll

1130
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 2: the rock.

1131
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 3: Out from in front of that cave of fucking davidly

1132
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 3: Roth is gonna come flying out and they're gonna push

1133
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 3: them in and roll it back over and be like

1134
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 3: we can't.

1135
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 1: It's gonna be like that Lick the Lick It Up

1136
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 1: video for a Kiss, where they're dressed like actual cavemen,

1137
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 1: or like at least they look like they've been in

1138
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 1: a post apocalyptic like mad Max world or something, and they're.

1139
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 2: Just like disgusting. Like that's what it's gonna be.

1140
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 3: That's the other thing where I feel like it can

1141
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 3: never make as big as the comeback as the original

1142
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 3: because it was a disgusting experience. Yeah, like physically disgusting

1143
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 3: experience to be part of these groups and on the

1144
00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 3: road and like the lifestyle, and it was horrifyingly disgusting,

1145
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 3: and I don't think people can handle it anymore, especially

1146
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 3: post pandemic.

1147
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, if anything, it would have to be they would

1148
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 1: have to.

1149
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 2: Like for me, I.

1150
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 1: Felt like there was a moment maybe where there was

1151
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 1: that sort of vibe when it was like I think

1152
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:19,479
Speaker 1: it was like the late two thousands with like that band.

1153
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 1: The darkness was that the band and like that kind

1154
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 1: of Scissor Sisters ish like that kind of thing, but

1155
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 1: that felt a lot more queer than what was going on.

1156
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 1: And I actually like like that, Like I like that

1157
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 1: it would be kind of re examined by gay people,

1158
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 1: Like I would love for that to happen, kind of

1159
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 1: like the way country has been going and I and

1160
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 1: I kind of think if there is a resurgence again,

1161
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 1: it might go in that direction.

1162
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I.

1163
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 3: Would love it because because it does have that theatricality

1164
00:58:57,160 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 3: to it and that kind of look and vibe.

1165
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:01,680
Speaker 2: And I completely agree.

1166
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 3: I think that's the only way it could be acceptable

1167
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 3: to me, because if it goes that way.

1168
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 1: It would take the sting out of the straightness of

1169
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 1: that scene too, and it would be like amazing.

1170
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 3: And I think they kind of started a little bit

1171
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 3: to do that. One of the songs that I washed

1172
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 3: my hands to twenty seconds too, when I'm singing in

1173
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 3: my head is Welcome to the Black Parade by My

1174
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 3: Chemical Romance, like that beginning part.

1175
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 2: And I gotta say there's a lot of emo.

1176
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 3: Emo owes a lot of theatricality and performance to heavy metal. Yeah,

1177
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 3: because there is, just because I went and watched the

1178
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 3: video after I was singing the song and it is

1179
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 3: just so much like you know, the pointing and the

1180
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 3: waving and the this, and like it's very very eighties

1181
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 3: heavy metal inspired.

1182
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, that that EMO period was I was. I definitely

1183
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 1: didn't know anything about it. The EMO that I remember

1184
00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 1: is like the Jade Tree Records Emo of like the

1185
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 1: Promise Ring. It was definitely not theatrical. It was like

1186
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 1: kind of whiny.

1187
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like slow dive for me.

1188
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 3: That's where I was at with EMO before the panic

1189
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 3: at the disco and all that shit. But all of

1190
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 3: those bands owe a debt to eighties metal.

1191
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 2: I agree to hair metal.

1192
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 1: If you, if you have big hair right now, thank

1193
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 1: your local metal head and also find them and give

1194
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 1: them a sandwich and a dollar because they probably need it.

1195
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 2: The local metal metal head is suffering.

1196
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 1: They're sticking their thighs into some leather pants right now,

1197
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 1: and there's they're oozing out the lattice and.

1198
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 3: Just know that okay, Oozing out the Lattice is the

1199
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 3: title of this episode.

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01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 2: That's the name of my autobiography as well. Ah.

1201
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 3: On that note, thanks for listening.

1202
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Speaker 1: our engineers Annalise Nelson. Our social media manager is Taren Maza.

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01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:14,560
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01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:18,680
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1207
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