WEBVTT - Full Steam Ahead with Jim Mora 0:00:00.920 --> 0:00:05.440 Boom. If you've thought four hours a day, minutes a 0:00:05.480 --> 0:00:09.160 week was enough, I think again. He's the last remnants 0:00:09.160 --> 0:00:12.440 of the old republic a sole fashion of fairness. He 0:00:12.520 --> 0:00:15.440 treats crackheads in the ghetto cutter the same as the 0:00:15.560 --> 0:00:19.520 rich pill poppers in the penthouse to clearing house of 0:00:19.600 --> 0:00:24.040 hot takes. Break three for Something Special Hour with Ben 0:00:24.079 --> 0:00:31.520 Maller starts right now in the air everywhere, because hey, listen, 0:00:32.280 --> 0:00:34.880 four hours a night on the Overnight not enough. Eight 0:00:35.000 --> 0:00:38.680 days a week a spinoff of the Overnight Show, And 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:42.960 I am very excited here on the Friday podcast to 0:00:43.240 --> 0:00:46.519 have one of my favorite people that I've in my 0:00:46.680 --> 0:00:49.000 career in radio that I have gone across. Now. We 0:00:49.240 --> 0:00:51.600 used to introduce him in a minute, but first joined 0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:56.080 again this weekend by the Man, the Myth, the Legend, 0:00:56.480 --> 0:01:00.240 my sparring partner on and off the podcast from Best 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:05.280 of the four oh five, David Gascon is here. I 0:01:05.280 --> 0:01:07.320 don't know if we should be trusted with with the 0:01:07.400 --> 0:01:12.240 fencing attire or any kind of sparring. I don't know. 0:01:12.280 --> 0:01:15.720 I can't see us in any kind of fencing attire. Well, 0:01:15.760 --> 0:01:20.000 it's audio sparring, it's lobbying, insults, at each other and 0:01:20.040 --> 0:01:23.399 then hugging it out. That's typically how that works. Speaking 0:01:23.400 --> 0:01:25.240 of which, I will shut up for now because I'm 0:01:25.240 --> 0:01:27.720 excited about your guests that's coming on right now. Yeah, 0:01:27.760 --> 0:01:31.400 this is great. So I've run across some interesting cats 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:35.040 in my time at Fox Sports Radio. Former NFL players, coaches, 0:01:35.120 --> 0:01:38.520 baseball players, NBA players that have passed through the allout 0:01:38.600 --> 0:01:41.960 hallways of FS are. But one of my favorites at 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:44.319 the very top of the list is a guy. When 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:47.080 I was a kid and I was falling in love 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:50.360 with football, I remember watching this guy when the Rams 0:01:50.360 --> 0:01:54.680 would play the New Orleans Saints, Jim Mora Jim Moore. 0:01:54.720 --> 0:01:57.920 Remember Jim Moore coached the Indianapolis Colts as well well. 0:01:58.000 --> 0:02:00.960 Jim Moore worked at Fox Sports Radio for a number 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:03.560 of years. He hadn't worked there in probably over a 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:06.440 decade at this particular point, but he did a weekend 0:02:06.440 --> 0:02:08.840 show and I got to fill in on that show, 0:02:08.919 --> 0:02:11.440 and I did some shows with Jim. I remember it 0:02:11.520 --> 0:02:15.000 was around the time Hurricane Katrina had happened, and Jim 0:02:15.000 --> 0:02:16.959 had obviously lived in New Orleans and who I remember 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:20.000 watching the media coverage in the studio and Jim was 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:23.080 talking about different parishes that he had visited or lived 0:02:23.080 --> 0:02:25.640 in and all the damage being done in New Orleans. 0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:28.519 But I found memberies just a growing up watching Jim 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:29.919 and it's it's one of those weird things in life 0:02:29.919 --> 0:02:32.520 when you come across someone who was not a hero 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:34.680 or anything like that, but just the fact that it's 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:37.480 it's surreal when you know someone a little bit that 0:02:37.560 --> 0:02:40.400 you watched as a kid, and it's really cool. And 0:02:40.639 --> 0:02:42.920 Jim's well known, he's he's known as the rant guy. 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:44.799 I'm sure we'll get into that at some point here. 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:49.040 The rant guy from Playoffs and my favorite, Jim mora rant. 0:02:49.040 --> 0:02:50.680 I've told him this to his face, so I'm not 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:54.359 talking out of school. Here was the Diddley Pooh rant 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:57.239 from New Orleans, which I believes a gold standard top 0:02:57.280 --> 0:03:00.840 five of all time. But Jim Moore, former NFL coach, 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:06.960 a man that coach multiple teams a long career and 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:11.760 in football, a football this guy started at Occidental in 0:03:12.080 --> 0:03:15.760 the nineteen sixties and worked his way up in college football. 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:19.359 Was with UH defensive coach for the Seahawks. He was 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:23.359 an assistant with the Patriots, the Eagles coached Uh, We're 0:03:23.400 --> 0:03:26.639 not the Eagles. Actually no, that was in the the USFL, 0:03:26.720 --> 0:03:31.120 Philadelphia and Baltimore. That franchise at the starts. Anyway, Uh, 0:03:31.200 --> 0:03:34.160 let's get to the man right now, who's as sharp 0:03:34.200 --> 0:03:37.200 as every case in mid eighties. Now, I think we'd 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:39.200 all want to be what Jim Moore is right now. 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:41.400 I know I'm sucking up to your Jim, But why 0:03:41.440 --> 0:03:43.400 don't we start since I where I met you at 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:46.120 Fox Sports Radio? Where does your time You've done a 0:03:46.120 --> 0:03:48.440 lot of different media stuff since you left coaching. Where 0:03:48.440 --> 0:03:51.640 does your time at Fox Sports Radio rank on your 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:56.480 big board of accomplishments in your media career. I liked 0:03:56.480 --> 0:03:59.200 it a lot. And I was living in the desert 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:02.960 over near Palm Springs on Evan Palm Desert, which is 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:05.440 where I lived when I was doing that with Fox, 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:09.360 and I worked every weekend on Fox Sports Radio. I 0:04:09.360 --> 0:04:12.600 think it was from my twelve to four, ten to two. 0:04:12.920 --> 0:04:16.240 I think it was a four hour shot. And I 0:04:16.279 --> 0:04:18.960 forgot exactly who I was on with, but he was 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:22.200 the main guy and I was, I guess his assistant 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:25.280 or helper or whatever. And I really enjoyed it. I'd 0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:29.080 drove over there and worked on Saturday and then did 0:04:29.120 --> 0:04:33.960 another show on Sunday and then drove back on Sunday evening. Uh. 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:36.400 They put me up at a hotel there. Near the 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:43.560 hotel was the Fox. Are you guys still in the valley? Truman? Okay? 0:04:44.120 --> 0:04:46.080 I usually they usually put me up at a place 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:48.880 over the hill in the West l A. Area. And 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:52.040 I don't remember exactly what hotel it was, but I 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:55.560 really enjoyed the time that I spent over there. Had 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:59.120 at a good time. People were loose, they were fun, uh, 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:01.920 and it was on being on the radio, and I 0:05:02.000 --> 0:05:04.880 had a good time. It was a good experience for me. Yeah, 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:06.920 and I j if I loved I got to fill in. 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:09.440 I worked with you a few times back in those days. 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:11.640 And it's it's been a while, and I think you've 0:05:11.680 --> 0:05:14.400 met worked with Dan Moriarty is I think it was Dan. Yeah, 0:05:14.640 --> 0:05:16.800 I think it was Dan. I haven't heard of or 0:05:16.920 --> 0:05:19.920 seen Dan since then, but I think it was Dan. Yeah. 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:23.160 He's still around, He's still bouncing around and all that. 0:05:23.360 --> 0:05:25.680 And I know I had talked you off before we 0:05:25.920 --> 0:05:28.280 started rolling on the podcast here that and I've seen 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:31.040 you on TV, Jim, because you have for years. You 0:05:31.200 --> 0:05:33.880 former New Orleans Saints coach and you've you've done some 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:36.880 media work in New Orleans right since over the last 0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:39.040 decade or so, you've been part of some of the 0:05:39.320 --> 0:05:43.040 Saints coverage right. Well, for the last I think I'm 0:05:43.080 --> 0:05:45.560 going on to my thirteenth season this year, either my 0:05:45.640 --> 0:05:49.600 twelve or thirteen season. I've been doing work with w 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:51.960 A D s U. W D s U is the 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:58.440 NBC affiliate in New Orleans television, and uh, what we did, 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:02.160 we what we do now still is whenever there's a 0:06:02.240 --> 0:06:05.320 game on national television, like a Monday night game, a 0:06:05.440 --> 0:06:09.040 Friday night game, or a Thursday night game, whatever time is, 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:11.520 it's just it's the game and be like the game 0:06:11.560 --> 0:06:14.000 that's on Tomorrow night, Thursday night. Whenever there's a national 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:19.159 TV game that is shown either by NBC or even 0:06:19.279 --> 0:06:21.800 E S, t N or something that NBC is affiliate with, 0:06:22.440 --> 0:06:25.480 the w d s U station in New Orleans does 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:29.240 a pregame show and a post game show. The pregame 0:06:29.320 --> 0:06:33.040 show could be three to four hours. Uh, we did 0:06:33.080 --> 0:06:35.360 our first one this year. A couple of weeks ago. 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:39.960 They were playing the last preseason game on a national 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:41.680 TV and I went down there and we did. But 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:43.280 then when you did, we do it like a three 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:46.440 or four our pregame show and then an hour or 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:49.200 so post game show. And I've been doing that. Like 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:52.440 I said, I think it's either my twelve or thirteenth year. Now. 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:55.240 Last year where they didn't have we didn't do it. 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:57.320 We did. We did a zoom every week. I did 0:06:57.360 --> 0:06:59.720 it from my home here in Palm Desert. This year 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:01.560 we're doing it again. I think they have four or 0:07:01.600 --> 0:07:05.600 five games on National TV. I like no Ones on Thanksgiving, 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:08.960 but that type of game will be on from New Orleans. 0:07:09.600 --> 0:07:12.040 And we're also doing a zoom every week. In fact, 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:14.240 we're set up to do a zoom about the game 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:17.880 this week on Thursday. Tomorrow morning, I'm doing a zoom 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:20.840 with W. D. S. Shoe. So That's what I've been doing. 0:07:21.040 --> 0:07:26.240 As far as that's that, Yeah, that kind of a deal. No, No, sure, 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:29.600 And uh, when you when you look around the NFL 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:32.200 and the when when you were doing it, Jim and 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:34.960 you were, you know, coaching in the NFL was wild 0:07:35.000 --> 0:07:37.200 and crazy. It seems like even you know, every year 0:07:37.440 --> 0:07:40.960 the NFL gets bigger and bigger and bigger. And as 0:07:41.040 --> 0:07:43.880 someone that's spent a good amount of time as as 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:46.080 an adult coaching in the NFL. When you when you 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:48.200 take a couple of steps back and look at where 0:07:48.240 --> 0:07:51.040 the NFL's at right now, Jim, like, how can you 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:53.400 have you put a perspective insane how much money there 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:56.160 is in football and how big and popular it is 0:07:56.240 --> 0:07:58.920 part of the American culture right now. Yes it is. 0:07:59.400 --> 0:08:02.520 And you know, I look back, and of course I 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:04.800 look at what I made as a head coach in 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:07.560 the NFL, and what head coaches are making now, what 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:10.960 assistant coaches are making now, and all that kind of good. 0:08:11.000 --> 0:08:13.440 I mean, it's happening in everywhere. It's not just happening 0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:16.800 in the NFL, but it's happening in the entertainment business. 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:23.240 And basically basically the NFL is an entertainment business. And um, so, 0:08:24.760 --> 0:08:27.600 you know, and the game itself has changed. I'll tell 0:08:27.600 --> 0:08:30.240 you another big change is the number of coaches on 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:33.120 a coaching staff in the NFL. When I coached, we 0:08:33.280 --> 0:08:36.559 probably had ten oral that maybe twelve coaches can concluding 0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:38.960 me and the special team's coach and then the offense 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:42.440 and defensive coaches. Now, I'll bet there's not an NFL 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:46.280 team in existence that has less than twenty coaches on 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:48.360 their staff. I don't know what they do with all 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:50.839 of them, but I know that they have a you know, 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:54.600 they really specialize as far as coaching the positions are concerned. 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:57.560 So that's a huge change as far as I'm concerned. 0:08:58.000 --> 0:09:03.080 But the the the offenses, the just the money, obviously, Uh, 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:05.440 it's it's a it's a big deal. When I watched 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:08.480 games and when I read about him and talk about 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:11.280 him on TV and stuff, I mean, I realize how 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:15.160 things have changed an immense in an immense way. Yeah, 0:09:15.280 --> 0:09:17.360 and you mentioned you had like twelve coaches when you 0:09:17.400 --> 0:09:20.240 were coaching the Colts and the Saints back back in 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:22.880 the day. Is is it almost too much? I know 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:25.080 you're not you don't have twenty coaches. You're not coaching 0:09:25.160 --> 0:09:27.520 right now, Jim, But at some point, isn't that number 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:30.880 too much? You can't hear everyone's voice, can you? If 0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:34.439 you have that many assistant coaches, that must be uh, 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:36.960 a logistical nightmare. I would think, how does how does 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:40.040 that work? Well? I don't know now, you know what 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:44.400 I've I've gotten to meet Sean Payton back with the 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:47.720 coach of the Saints, obviously, and I've spent some time 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:49.920 talking to him, But I've never asked him that question, 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:52.800 and I've got to ask him that question. Sometimes. I'm 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:55.120 in my den, which is also my office here in 0:09:55.200 --> 0:09:58.080 my house, I'm looking at a picture on the wall 0:09:58.600 --> 0:10:00.920 of my Saints staff one of the years that we 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:04.760 were there, and I'm counting one to three, four, six, seven, eight, nine, 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:09.839 eleven eleven coaches including me as a head coach, and 0:10:09.920 --> 0:10:12.600 our and our strength and conditioning coach, and then all 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:16.200 my assistant coach. There's eleven in that article in that picture. 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:19.400 Like I said, now, and I followed this a little 0:10:19.400 --> 0:10:22.280 bit because of you know, covering the NFL for w D, 0:10:22.400 --> 0:10:25.200 s U and everything, there's not there's not a staff 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:28.559 less than twenty I guarantee in the NFL. Again, I 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:32.400 don't it's very specialized, obviously, but you know, I think 0:10:32.440 --> 0:10:34.640 a lot of the high tech I think there's a 0:10:34.679 --> 0:10:39.280 lot of difference in in in game planning and information 0:10:39.400 --> 0:10:42.160 that you use from game planning, about the differences in 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:45.319 film and exchanging films and all that kind of stuff. 0:10:45.320 --> 0:10:47.000 And I know it's a lot different than it is now, 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:49.200 but I think there's a lot of high tech stuff 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:52.400 involved now in being a coach or information you get 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:58.000 through that way as opposed to other ways more primitive 0:10:58.040 --> 0:11:02.480 that we did. And I think that that involved more 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:06.160 more guys, more coaches breaking stuff down and things like 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:08.600 that to get ready for the season, for the draft 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:11.880 games and things like that. I don't know, Jim, is 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:15.520 the game better. I'm just assuming Jim, is the game better? 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:19.679 Do you think? Yeah? Well, is it better? I think 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:22.240 it's more exciting, it's more wide open. It's definitely more 0:11:22.320 --> 0:11:25.520 wide open. I mean, the passing game has become more 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:29.160 a bigger deal than it used to be. And and 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:33.440 the formations they use the defense, you very seldom see 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:36.360 a defense signed up with four defensive backs line up 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:38.720 with four defensive backs. Now, most of the time they're 0:11:38.720 --> 0:11:42.000 gonna have at least five defensive backs. On first down, 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:45.040 they're gonna have five defensive backs. Back when I was coaching, 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:48.880 on first down, you were mostly with four defense defensive 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:51.560 backs because you know, you're worried about the run game 0:11:51.600 --> 0:11:55.079 and things like that. Now the offenses are wide open 0:11:55.679 --> 0:11:59.520 four three or four receivers much of the time. And uh, 0:11:59.640 --> 0:12:01.920 and that of course changes what you do on defense, 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:04.160 and and and most of the time there's there's five 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:07.240 defensive backs out there. To protect the passing game. So 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:09.920 that's big, a big change as far as I'm concerned. 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:13.240 But you know, now you've got practice We never when 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:16.920 I first started coaching, we never had a practice squad. 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:20.920 Now the practice squad came in while I was still coaching. 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:24.120 But now they have what is it fifteen or something 0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:26.679 like that on the practice scott or twelve you know, 0:12:27.720 --> 0:12:31.760 yeah about the practice squad. Yeah, they added more because 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:35.679 of COVID. So yeah, there's that they added because of COVID. Okay, 0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:40.319 I didn't know that as as I understand what I know, 0:12:40.679 --> 0:12:45.079 but it's even before COVID there was more than what 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:47.319 I what we had when I was coaching, but I 0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:50.360 didn't really I can understand that now adding more because 0:12:50.440 --> 0:12:53.520 of COVID, Yeah, for sure. I don't know. It's just 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:57.839 that the squad sizes is basically the same. You know, 0:12:57.920 --> 0:12:59.960 what they can what they can dress on game day. 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:02.240 It's I think it's well, I think they can keep 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:05.760 fifty three and the active roster and then then they 0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:07.760 got the practice squad and then but I don't know 0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:11.160 if they can. I don't know, But anyway, it's it's 0:13:11.360 --> 0:13:15.120 it's a different game. Offensively, it's a different game. Well 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:17.440 when it comes to the coaching styles, though, I mean 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:20.920 there's there's still obviously that nuance that's involved. Do you 0:13:21.000 --> 0:13:23.839 feel like it is more leaning towards a if you 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:25.840 as long as you're a good offensive coordinator, you've got 0:13:25.880 --> 0:13:28.160 a shot at being a good head coach, is opposed 0:13:28.200 --> 0:13:30.240 to being a great defensive coordinator and being a good 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:34.959 head coach. You know, I'm not sure about that. That's 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:38.120 that's a good question. And I kind of follow, you know, 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:43.000 coaching changes and stuff. I'm not at all familiar with 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:46.559 the head coaches now a lot of most of them, um, 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:52.160 but I that's a good question. I think they're basically 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:55.160 looking for good guys that would be good head coaches, 0:13:55.200 --> 0:13:57.959 whether it's software defense. But yes, if I had to 0:13:58.040 --> 0:13:59.719 make a guess, and I could have to have to 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:04.040 look this up, probably the majority. I don't think it's 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:08.040 a major majority, but I think the majority would be 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:13.120 offensive oriented coaches that become head coaches. So, I mean, 0:14:13.440 --> 0:14:15.800 with that being said, then do you feel that a 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:19.400 lot of what is being utilized at the high school 0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:24.240 than college level is able to translate into the program. 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:26.480 I mean, we've we saw in years past, obviously with 0:14:26.600 --> 0:14:31.440 like Arkansas and even Auburn running the wildcat, but the 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:35.640 styles and obviously four and five wide personnel. Do you 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:39.520 feel like that is sustainable for the National Football League 0:14:39.560 --> 0:14:41.760 or do you like when teams are more balanced and 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:44.680 using a traditional fullback and the tight end or two 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:47.480 time ends. Well, there's no idea. I don't know if 0:14:47.480 --> 0:14:49.840 anybody has a fullback anymore. I guess they do, but 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:52.520 he's not on the field very often. I know that 0:14:53.560 --> 0:14:55.480 he's listed as a fullback, but he gets in there 0:14:55.480 --> 0:15:00.240 about three times a game. But anyway, uh, I I 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:04.200 think you see a difference in collegiate football. I already do. 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:09.800 I think that's the passing. Here's the deal. And this 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:12.680 has always been mostly true, but I'm not so sure 0:15:12.720 --> 0:15:16.520 it's not more true than ever before. To really be good, 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:21.400 really be good super Bowl candidate, get into the NFC 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:26.120 Championship game, you better have something somebody special at quarterback. 0:15:26.360 --> 0:15:28.800 He just better. I don't care what I don't. I 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:31.880 think it's really hard to get to a Super Bowl 0:15:32.640 --> 0:15:35.280 as as with an average quarterback and say a great 0:15:35.360 --> 0:15:37.960 defense or a great running back. I think you better 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:41.640 have a great quarterback. That's my special quarterback. I already 0:15:41.680 --> 0:15:44.200 feel that who is important? Who is the best quarterback 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:51.680 you've ever coached that I ever? Well, probably probably Bobby A. 0:15:51.800 --> 0:15:55.120 Barrett at Oh, No, well, Peyton Manning. I coached Peyton 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:58.920 Manning his first four years, and he became Yeah, he 0:15:59.280 --> 0:16:02.040 was probably the best, and obviously became the best after 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:04.680 I left there. But uh, and then and then in 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:06.480 New Orleans, we had a guy by the name of 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:10.320 Bobby A. Bear that was our quarterback for many of 0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:12.280 the years that I was there. I was there eleven years, 0:16:12.640 --> 0:16:15.440 he went there every year. But and he was a 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:18.200 really good quarterback. Was he a great And I know 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:20.440 Bobby very well. And when I say this, I don't 0:16:20.480 --> 0:16:22.960 mean to demean him, because but he was a really 0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:27.240 good quarterback, a good leader, tough, smart, all those kind 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:29.720 of things that players looked up to him. But was 0:16:29.800 --> 0:16:33.960 he in the in the Home Hall of Fame category 0:16:34.120 --> 0:16:38.160 or something like that. No, No, And he and he 0:16:38.360 --> 0:16:41.360 and we we were a defensive team primarily, was our 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:45.200 strength when I was coaching the Saints offensively primarily, And 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:49.920 uh with the Colts primarily and offense. Our strength was offense. 0:16:50.360 --> 0:16:53.040 But Peyton was I mean you could see right away 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:56.280 with Peyton that he was going to be special. Yeah, 0:16:56.480 --> 0:16:58.520 and but he did. I mean his rookie year, he 0:16:58.640 --> 0:17:01.120 had a bunch of intersepts. I remember, and you know, 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:04.280 you guys had a great team that year, and what 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:07.040 do you think finally click for him? Because wait a minute, 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:09.720 let me let me tell you something. When we drafted 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:12.680 Peyton with the first pick in the draft in it 0:17:12.760 --> 0:17:16.080 was my first year, Bill Pollion's first year as a GM, 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:20.040 it came down, we're gonna draft one or two guys, 0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:23.560 either either Peyton or Ryan Leef. We drafted Peyton. Okay, 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:27.520 that's that's another story. But but I told from we 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:30.399 drafted him one weekend. The very next weekend we had 0:17:30.440 --> 0:17:33.080 our first mini camp. Are key players in there? My 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:36.240 first year, our first time we had all the team 0:17:36.320 --> 0:17:39.800 in there, and I Peyton was our starter. I mean, 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:42.840 it wasn't like, well, let's playing behind this guy for 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:45.159 a year or two and get experienced and all that. 0:17:45.600 --> 0:17:48.840 He was the starting quarterback from the very first practice 0:17:48.920 --> 0:17:53.200 he ever was out was involved in as an NFL player, 0:17:53.840 --> 0:17:57.280 And he was that first year in and he played 0:17:57.400 --> 0:18:04.080 every offensive play and we our record was three and thirteen. Okay, 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:07.520 now he got better as the season went on, and 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:10.080 you could see it, the improvement from game to game 0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:11.960 to game. At the end of the season, he was 0:18:12.040 --> 0:18:14.840 a pretty dark, good looking quarterback at that point and 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:17.879 you could see the possibilities. But we weren't a very 0:18:17.920 --> 0:18:21.560 good football team, either defensively or in a lot of ways. 0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:24.600 We made some changes during the off season, not a lot, 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:27.880 but if you the next year we were thirteen and three, 0:18:28.880 --> 0:18:31.920 and the fact that Peyton was our starting quarterback for 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:35.360 the three and thirteen his first season, made a big 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:39.399 difference in his ability to play that second year. I mean, 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:42.200 I really, I mean, he wasn't sitting on the bench 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:45.359 getting experience. He was playing, he was making mistakes, he 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:47.920 was doing good things, he learned from it, and the 0:18:48.000 --> 0:18:50.520 next year we're we're thirteen and three with Peyton as 0:18:50.560 --> 0:18:54.120 our quarterback. So I don't believe in sitting a guy 0:18:54.200 --> 0:18:58.240 on the bench unless he's unless he's clearly not the 0:18:58.320 --> 0:19:00.119 best one. I mean, if you draft a guy her 0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:02.120 second or third. I know this year they had three 0:19:02.160 --> 0:19:05.639 guys the top three were quarterbacks. Well, it depends what 0:19:05.800 --> 0:19:07.800 kind of a situation they go into. If they go 0:19:07.880 --> 0:19:11.000 into a situation where they're they're definitely better than the 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:14.000 guy that that's already there. You better play him, play him, 0:19:14.720 --> 0:19:17.119 you know, we were it was my first year. I 0:19:17.240 --> 0:19:19.920 wasn't going to get fired after one year. Polian wasn't 0:19:19.920 --> 0:19:23.240 gonna get fired after one year, and so we stuck 0:19:23.280 --> 0:19:25.679 painting in there. Peyton is a very mature young man. 0:19:26.160 --> 0:19:28.639 He was in he is still he's not a young man, 0:19:28.720 --> 0:19:31.360 but he's he was mature, and he handled the ups 0:19:31.400 --> 0:19:36.480 and downs extremely well. The players around him, the veterans, 0:19:36.600 --> 0:19:40.040 never lost confidence in him. He was very well respected. 0:19:40.320 --> 0:19:42.800 He had a great work ethic he and this was 0:19:42.880 --> 0:19:48.360 throughout his career, and great leadership qualities. So the three 0:19:48.400 --> 0:19:52.680 and thirteen experience didn't didn't hurt him in any way. 0:19:52.720 --> 0:19:54.520 It helped him in a lot of ways. And he 0:19:54.680 --> 0:19:56.720 just came back and he played hard every week. He 0:19:56.840 --> 0:20:00.199 throw for four interceptions one game and bounced b can 0:20:00.280 --> 0:20:03.480 practice bounce back the next week. Got better during the year, 0:20:03.680 --> 0:20:06.960 and it all paid off in year two. Yeah, and absolutely, 0:20:07.119 --> 0:20:09.520 and Jim, I I wanted to talk kind of about 0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:12.400 we're not talking too much. No, you're Jim, You're great. 0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:15.280 What it plays, don't stop. You're you're as sharp as 0:20:15.359 --> 0:20:17.000 you is it. We're back. I love it. I haven't 0:20:17.000 --> 0:20:19.000 talked to you in years. It's great. So now you 0:20:19.160 --> 0:20:20.800 coaching the A. I remember when I, you know, I 0:20:20.920 --> 0:20:23.560 was watching you with the Saints and they had you 0:20:23.640 --> 0:20:25.440 had a great defense. As you said that, there's some 0:20:25.480 --> 0:20:28.000 amazing linebackers in New Orleans. But they had this these 0:20:28.119 --> 0:20:31.800 NFL films videos with the craziest hits and all that, 0:20:31.880 --> 0:20:35.159 and they will promote that. Now in the NFL they 0:20:35.280 --> 0:20:39.600 try to downplay the hits and and the violence of 0:20:39.640 --> 0:20:42.840 football is it isn't possible, Jim, to play football without 0:20:43.359 --> 0:20:45.159 it seems like a collision sport to me, Is it 0:20:45.280 --> 0:20:48.640 possible to make it completely safe? I don't. I don't 0:20:48.680 --> 0:20:51.480 think so. Were you standing no, no, no, but no, 0:20:51.680 --> 0:20:54.439 you're right, it's not it's it is impossible to make 0:20:54.520 --> 0:20:58.120 it completely safe. I think maybe. No, I'm not sure 0:20:58.119 --> 0:21:00.880 about this. After you're still gonna you're always gonna have injuries. 0:21:01.280 --> 0:21:03.520 And they happened like the first day of training camp 0:21:03.600 --> 0:21:06.280 or a week into training camp. By reading the paper 0:21:06.720 --> 0:21:09.000 you know with the season about the start where guys 0:21:09.080 --> 0:21:11.800 get hurt in training camp and they're gonna miss the 0:21:11.880 --> 0:21:13.760 rest of the season and things like that, and I 0:21:14.119 --> 0:21:16.960 that's that's that's tough. That's really tough. It's tough on 0:21:17.040 --> 0:21:19.440 the kid, it's tough on the team. But but I 0:21:19.800 --> 0:21:22.440 I think that I think that that where the league 0:21:22.520 --> 0:21:25.520 has really improved things. And I don't know the stats, 0:21:26.160 --> 0:21:30.440 but in head injuries, you know, lose leading on a 0:21:30.560 --> 0:21:33.520 tackle or a block or something like with your head, 0:21:33.920 --> 0:21:37.520 that type of stuff, or maybe even going low on 0:21:37.600 --> 0:21:40.280