Speaker 1: Boom. If you've thought four hours a day, minutes a
Speaker 1: week was enough, I think again. He's the last remnants
Speaker 1: of the old republic a sole fashion of fairness. He
Speaker 1: treats crackheads in the ghetto cutter the same as the
Speaker 1: rich pill poppers in the penthouse to clearing house of
Speaker 1: hot takes. Break three for Something Special Hour with Ben
Speaker 1: Maller starts right now in the air everywhere, because hey, listen,
Speaker 1: four hours a night on the Overnight not enough. Eight
Speaker 1: days a week a spinoff of the Overnight Show, And
Speaker 1: I am very excited here on the Friday podcast to
Speaker 1: have one of my favorite people that I've in my
Speaker 1: career in radio that I have gone across. Now. We
Speaker 1: used to introduce him in a minute, but first joined
Speaker 1: again this weekend by the Man, the Myth, the Legend,
Speaker 1: my sparring partner on and off the podcast from Best
Speaker 1: of the four oh five, David Gascon is here. I
Speaker 1: don't know if we should be trusted with with the
Speaker 1: fencing attire or any kind of sparring. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I can't see us in any kind of fencing attire. Well,
Speaker 1: it's audio sparring, it's lobbying, insults, at each other and
Speaker 1: then hugging it out. That's typically how that works. Speaking
Speaker 1: of which, I will shut up for now because I'm
Speaker 1: excited about your guests that's coming on right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is great. So I've run across some interesting cats
Speaker 1: in my time at Fox Sports Radio. Former NFL players, coaches,
Speaker 1: baseball players, NBA players that have passed through the allout
Speaker 1: hallways of FS are. But one of my favorites at
Speaker 1: the very top of the list is a guy. When
Speaker 1: I was a kid and I was falling in love
Speaker 1: with football, I remember watching this guy when the Rams
Speaker 1: would play the New Orleans Saints, Jim Mora Jim Moore.
Speaker 1: Remember Jim Moore coached the Indianapolis Colts as well well.
Speaker 1: Jim Moore worked at Fox Sports Radio for a number
Speaker 1: of years. He hadn't worked there in probably over a
Speaker 1: decade at this particular point, but he did a weekend
Speaker 1: show and I got to fill in on that show,
Speaker 1: and I did some shows with Jim. I remember it
Speaker 1: was around the time Hurricane Katrina had happened, and Jim
Speaker 1: had obviously lived in New Orleans and who I remember
Speaker 1: watching the media coverage in the studio and Jim was
Speaker 1: talking about different parishes that he had visited or lived
Speaker 1: in and all the damage being done in New Orleans.
Speaker 1: But I found memberies just a growing up watching Jim
Speaker 1: and it's it's one of those weird things in life
Speaker 1: when you come across someone who was not a hero
Speaker 1: or anything like that, but just the fact that it's
Speaker 1: it's surreal when you know someone a little bit that
Speaker 1: you watched as a kid, and it's really cool. And
Speaker 1: Jim's well known, he's he's known as the rant guy.
Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll get into that at some point here.
Speaker 1: The rant guy from Playoffs and my favorite, Jim mora rant.
Speaker 1: I've told him this to his face, so I'm not
Speaker 1: talking out of school. Here was the Diddley Pooh rant
Speaker 1: from New Orleans, which I believes a gold standard top
Speaker 1: five of all time. But Jim Moore, former NFL coach,
Speaker 1: a man that coach multiple teams a long career and
Speaker 1: in football, a football this guy started at Occidental in
Speaker 1: the nineteen sixties and worked his way up in college football.
Speaker 1: Was with UH defensive coach for the Seahawks. He was
Speaker 1: an assistant with the Patriots, the Eagles coached Uh, We're
Speaker 1: not the Eagles. Actually no, that was in the the USFL,
Speaker 1: Philadelphia and Baltimore. That franchise at the starts. Anyway, Uh,
Speaker 1: let's get to the man right now, who's as sharp
Speaker 1: as every case in mid eighties. Now, I think we'd
Speaker 1: all want to be what Jim Moore is right now.
Speaker 1: I know I'm sucking up to your Jim, But why
Speaker 1: don't we start since I where I met you at
Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio? Where does your time You've done a
Speaker 1: lot of different media stuff since you left coaching. Where
Speaker 1: does your time at Fox Sports Radio rank on your
Speaker 1: big board of accomplishments in your media career. I liked
Speaker 1: it a lot. And I was living in the desert
Speaker 1: over near Palm Springs on Evan Palm Desert, which is
Speaker 1: where I lived when I was doing that with Fox,
Speaker 1: and I worked every weekend on Fox Sports Radio. I
Speaker 1: think it was from my twelve to four, ten to two.
Speaker 1: I think it was a four hour shot. And I
Speaker 1: forgot exactly who I was on with, but he was
Speaker 1: the main guy and I was, I guess his assistant
Speaker 1: or helper or whatever. And I really enjoyed it. I'd
Speaker 1: drove over there and worked on Saturday and then did
Speaker 1: another show on Sunday and then drove back on Sunday evening. Uh.
Speaker 1: They put me up at a hotel there. Near the
Speaker 1: hotel was the Fox. Are you guys still in the valley? Truman? Okay?
Speaker 1: I usually they usually put me up at a place
Speaker 1: over the hill in the West l A. Area. And
Speaker 1: I don't remember exactly what hotel it was, but I
Speaker 1: really enjoyed the time that I spent over there. Had
Speaker 1: at a good time. People were loose, they were fun, uh,
Speaker 1: and it was on being on the radio, and I
Speaker 1: had a good time. It was a good experience for me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I j if I loved I got to fill in.
Speaker 1: I worked with you a few times back in those days.
Speaker 1: And it's it's been a while, and I think you've
Speaker 1: met worked with Dan Moriarty is I think it was Dan. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it was Dan. I haven't heard of or
Speaker 1: seen Dan since then, but I think it was Dan. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He's still around, He's still bouncing around and all that.
Speaker 1: And I know I had talked you off before we
Speaker 1: started rolling on the podcast here that and I've seen
Speaker 1: you on TV, Jim, because you have for years. You
Speaker 1: former New Orleans Saints coach and you've you've done some
Speaker 1: media work in New Orleans right since over the last
Speaker 1: decade or so, you've been part of some of the
Speaker 1: Saints coverage right. Well, for the last I think I'm
Speaker 1: going on to my thirteenth season this year, either my
Speaker 1: twelve or thirteen season. I've been doing work with w
Speaker 1: A D s U. W D s U is the
Speaker 1: NBC affiliate in New Orleans television, and uh, what we did,
Speaker 1: we what we do now still is whenever there's a
Speaker 1: game on national television, like a Monday night game, a
Speaker 1: Friday night game, or a Thursday night game, whatever time is,
Speaker 1: it's just it's the game and be like the game
Speaker 1: that's on Tomorrow night, Thursday night. Whenever there's a national
Speaker 1: TV game that is shown either by NBC or even
Speaker 1: E S, t N or something that NBC is affiliate with,
Speaker 1: the w d s U station in New Orleans does
Speaker 1: a pregame show and a post game show. The pregame
Speaker 1: show could be three to four hours. Uh, we did
Speaker 1: our first one this year. A couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 1: They were playing the last preseason game on a national
Speaker 1: TV and I went down there and we did. But
Speaker 1: then when you did, we do it like a three
Speaker 1: or four our pregame show and then an hour or
Speaker 1: so post game show. And I've been doing that. Like
Speaker 1: I said, I think it's either my twelve or thirteenth year. Now.
Speaker 1: Last year where they didn't have we didn't do it.
Speaker 1: We did. We did a zoom every week. I did
Speaker 1: it from my home here in Palm Desert. This year
Speaker 1: we're doing it again. I think they have four or
Speaker 1: five games on National TV. I like no Ones on Thanksgiving,
Speaker 1: but that type of game will be on from New Orleans.
Speaker 1: And we're also doing a zoom every week. In fact,
Speaker 1: we're set up to do a zoom about the game
Speaker 1: this week on Thursday. Tomorrow morning, I'm doing a zoom
Speaker 1: with W. D. S. Shoe. So That's what I've been doing.
Speaker 1: As far as that's that, Yeah, that kind of a deal. No, No, sure,
Speaker 1: And uh, when you when you look around the NFL
Speaker 1: and the when when you were doing it, Jim and
Speaker 1: you were, you know, coaching in the NFL was wild
Speaker 1: and crazy. It seems like even you know, every year
Speaker 1: the NFL gets bigger and bigger and bigger. And as
Speaker 1: someone that's spent a good amount of time as as
Speaker 1: an adult coaching in the NFL. When you when you
Speaker 1: take a couple of steps back and look at where
Speaker 1: the NFL's at right now, Jim, like, how can you
Speaker 1: have you put a perspective insane how much money there
Speaker 1: is in football and how big and popular it is
Speaker 1: part of the American culture right now. Yes it is.
Speaker 1: And you know, I look back, and of course I
Speaker 1: look at what I made as a head coach in
Speaker 1: the NFL, and what head coaches are making now, what
Speaker 1: assistant coaches are making now, and all that kind of good.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's happening in everywhere. It's not just happening
Speaker 1: in the NFL, but it's happening in the entertainment business.
Speaker 1: And basically basically the NFL is an entertainment business. And um, so,
Speaker 1: you know, and the game itself has changed. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you another big change is the number of coaches on
Speaker 1: a coaching staff in the NFL. When I coached, we
Speaker 1: probably had ten oral that maybe twelve coaches can concluding
Speaker 1: me and the special team's coach and then the offense
Speaker 1: and defensive coaches. Now, I'll bet there's not an NFL
Speaker 1: team in existence that has less than twenty coaches on
Speaker 1: their staff. I don't know what they do with all
Speaker 1: of them, but I know that they have a you know,
Speaker 1: they really specialize as far as coaching the positions are concerned.
Speaker 1: So that's a huge change as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 1: But the the the offenses, the just the money, obviously, Uh,
Speaker 1: it's it's a it's a big deal. When I watched
Speaker 1: games and when I read about him and talk about
Speaker 1: him on TV and stuff, I mean, I realize how
Speaker 1: things have changed an immense in an immense way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you mentioned you had like twelve coaches when you
Speaker 1: were coaching the Colts and the Saints back back in
Speaker 1: the day. Is is it almost too much? I know
Speaker 1: you're not you don't have twenty coaches. You're not coaching
Speaker 1: right now, Jim, But at some point, isn't that number
Speaker 1: too much? You can't hear everyone's voice, can you? If
Speaker 1: you have that many assistant coaches, that must be uh,
Speaker 1: a logistical nightmare. I would think, how does how does
Speaker 1: that work? Well? I don't know now, you know what
Speaker 1: I've I've gotten to meet Sean Payton back with the
Speaker 1: coach of the Saints, obviously, and I've spent some time
Speaker 1: talking to him, But I've never asked him that question,
Speaker 1: and I've got to ask him that question. Sometimes. I'm
Speaker 1: in my den, which is also my office here in
Speaker 1: my house, I'm looking at a picture on the wall
Speaker 1: of my Saints staff one of the years that we
Speaker 1: were there, and I'm counting one to three, four, six, seven, eight, nine,
Speaker 1: eleven eleven coaches including me as a head coach, and
Speaker 1: our and our strength and conditioning coach, and then all
Speaker 1: my assistant coach. There's eleven in that article in that picture.
Speaker 1: Like I said, now, and I followed this a little
Speaker 1: bit because of you know, covering the NFL for w D,
Speaker 1: s U and everything, there's not there's not a staff
Speaker 1: less than twenty I guarantee in the NFL. Again, I
Speaker 1: don't it's very specialized, obviously, but you know, I think
Speaker 1: a lot of the high tech I think there's a
Speaker 1: lot of difference in in in game planning and information
Speaker 1: that you use from game planning, about the differences in
Speaker 1: film and exchanging films and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: And I know it's a lot different than it is now,
Speaker 1: but I think there's a lot of high tech stuff
Speaker 1: involved now in being a coach or information you get
Speaker 1: through that way as opposed to other ways more primitive
Speaker 1: that we did. And I think that that involved more
Speaker 1: more guys, more coaches breaking stuff down and things like
Speaker 1: that to get ready for the season, for the draft
Speaker 1: games and things like that. I don't know, Jim, is
Speaker 1: the game better. I'm just assuming Jim, is the game better?
Speaker 1: Do you think? Yeah? Well, is it better? I think
Speaker 1: it's more exciting, it's more wide open. It's definitely more
Speaker 1: wide open. I mean, the passing game has become more
Speaker 1: a bigger deal than it used to be. And and
Speaker 1: the formations they use the defense, you very seldom see
Speaker 1: a defense signed up with four defensive backs line up
Speaker 1: with four defensive backs. Now, most of the time they're
Speaker 1: gonna have at least five defensive backs. On first down,
Speaker 1: they're gonna have five defensive backs. Back when I was coaching,
Speaker 1: on first down, you were mostly with four defense defensive
Speaker 1: backs because you know, you're worried about the run game
Speaker 1: and things like that. Now the offenses are wide open
Speaker 1: four three or four receivers much of the time. And uh,
Speaker 1: and that of course changes what you do on defense,
Speaker 1: and and and most of the time there's there's five
Speaker 1: defensive backs out there. To protect the passing game. So
Speaker 1: that's big, a big change as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 1: But you know, now you've got practice We never when
Speaker 1: I first started coaching, we never had a practice squad.
Speaker 1: Now the practice squad came in while I was still coaching.
Speaker 1: But now they have what is it fifteen or something
Speaker 1: like that on the practice scott or twelve you know,
Speaker 1: yeah about the practice squad. Yeah, they added more because
Speaker 1: of COVID. So yeah, there's that they added because of COVID. Okay,
Speaker 1: I didn't know that as as I understand what I know,
Speaker 1: but it's even before COVID there was more than what
Speaker 1: I what we had when I was coaching, but I
Speaker 1: didn't really I can understand that now adding more because
Speaker 1: of COVID, Yeah, for sure. I don't know. It's just
Speaker 1: that the squad sizes is basically the same. You know,
Speaker 1: what they can what they can dress on game day.
Speaker 1: It's I think it's well, I think they can keep
Speaker 1: fifty three and the active roster and then then they
Speaker 1: got the practice squad and then but I don't know
Speaker 1: if they can. I don't know, But anyway, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's a different game. Offensively, it's a different game. Well
Speaker 1: when it comes to the coaching styles, though, I mean
Speaker 1: there's there's still obviously that nuance that's involved. Do you
Speaker 1: feel like it is more leaning towards a if you
Speaker 1: as long as you're a good offensive coordinator, you've got
Speaker 1: a shot at being a good head coach, is opposed
Speaker 1: to being a great defensive coordinator and being a good
Speaker 1: head coach. You know, I'm not sure about that. That's
Speaker 1: that's a good question. And I kind of follow, you know,
Speaker 1: coaching changes and stuff. I'm not at all familiar with
Speaker 1: the head coaches now a lot of most of them, um,
Speaker 1: but I that's a good question. I think they're basically
Speaker 1: looking for good guys that would be good head coaches,
Speaker 1: whether it's software defense. But yes, if I had to
Speaker 1: make a guess, and I could have to have to
Speaker 1: look this up, probably the majority. I don't think it's
Speaker 1: a major majority, but I think the majority would be
Speaker 1: offensive oriented coaches that become head coaches. So, I mean,
Speaker 1: with that being said, then do you feel that a
Speaker 1: lot of what is being utilized at the high school
Speaker 1: than college level is able to translate into the program.
Speaker 1: I mean, we've we saw in years past, obviously with
Speaker 1: like Arkansas and even Auburn running the wildcat, but the
Speaker 1: styles and obviously four and five wide personnel. Do you
Speaker 1: feel like that is sustainable for the National Football League
Speaker 1: or do you like when teams are more balanced and
Speaker 1: using a traditional fullback and the tight end or two
Speaker 1: time ends. Well, there's no idea. I don't know if
Speaker 1: anybody has a fullback anymore. I guess they do, but
Speaker 1: he's not on the field very often. I know that
Speaker 1: he's listed as a fullback, but he gets in there
Speaker 1: about three times a game. But anyway, uh, I I
Speaker 1: think you see a difference in collegiate football. I already do.
Speaker 1: I think that's the passing. Here's the deal. And this
Speaker 1: has always been mostly true, but I'm not so sure
Speaker 1: it's not more true than ever before. To really be good,
Speaker 1: really be good super Bowl candidate, get into the NFC
Speaker 1: Championship game, you better have something somebody special at quarterback.
Speaker 1: He just better. I don't care what I don't. I
Speaker 1: think it's really hard to get to a Super Bowl
Speaker 1: as as with an average quarterback and say a great
Speaker 1: defense or a great running back. I think you better
Speaker 1: have a great quarterback. That's my special quarterback. I already
Speaker 1: feel that who is important? Who is the best quarterback
Speaker 1: you've ever coached that I ever? Well, probably probably Bobby A.
Speaker 1: Barrett at Oh, No, well, Peyton Manning. I coached Peyton
Speaker 1: Manning his first four years, and he became Yeah, he
Speaker 1: was probably the best, and obviously became the best after
Speaker 1: I left there. But uh, and then and then in
Speaker 1: New Orleans, we had a guy by the name of
Speaker 1: Bobby A. Bear that was our quarterback for many of
Speaker 1: the years that I was there. I was there eleven years,
Speaker 1: he went there every year. But and he was a
Speaker 1: really good quarterback. Was he a great And I know
Speaker 1: Bobby very well. And when I say this, I don't
Speaker 1: mean to demean him, because but he was a really
Speaker 1: good quarterback, a good leader, tough, smart, all those kind
Speaker 1: of things that players looked up to him. But was
Speaker 1: he in the in the Home Hall of Fame category
Speaker 1: or something like that. No, No, And he and he
Speaker 1: and we we were a defensive team primarily, was our
Speaker 1: strength when I was coaching the Saints offensively primarily, And
Speaker 1: uh with the Colts primarily and offense. Our strength was offense.
Speaker 1: But Peyton was I mean you could see right away
Speaker 1: with Peyton that he was going to be special. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and but he did. I mean his rookie year, he
Speaker 1: had a bunch of intersepts. I remember, and you know,
Speaker 1: you guys had a great team that year, and what
Speaker 1: do you think finally click for him? Because wait a minute,
Speaker 1: let me let me tell you something. When we drafted
Speaker 1: Peyton with the first pick in the draft in it
Speaker 1: was my first year, Bill Pollion's first year as a GM,
Speaker 1: it came down, we're gonna draft one or two guys,
Speaker 1: either either Peyton or Ryan Leef. We drafted Peyton. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's that's another story. But but I told from we
Speaker 1: drafted him one weekend. The very next weekend we had
Speaker 1: our first mini camp. Are key players in there? My
Speaker 1: first year, our first time we had all the team
Speaker 1: in there, and I Peyton was our starter. I mean,
Speaker 1: it wasn't like, well, let's playing behind this guy for
Speaker 1: a year or two and get experienced and all that.
Speaker 1: He was the starting quarterback from the very first practice
Speaker 1: he ever was out was involved in as an NFL player,
Speaker 1: And he was that first year in and he played
Speaker 1: every offensive play and we our record was three and thirteen. Okay,
Speaker 1: now he got better as the season went on, and
Speaker 1: you could see it, the improvement from game to game
Speaker 1: to game. At the end of the season, he was
Speaker 1: a pretty dark, good looking quarterback at that point and
Speaker 1: you could see the possibilities. But we weren't a very
Speaker 1: good football team, either defensively or in a lot of ways.
Speaker 1: We made some changes during the off season, not a lot,
Speaker 1: but if you the next year we were thirteen and three,
Speaker 1: and the fact that Peyton was our starting quarterback for
Speaker 1: the three and thirteen his first season, made a big
Speaker 1: difference in his ability to play that second year. I mean,
Speaker 1: I really, I mean, he wasn't sitting on the bench
Speaker 1: getting experience. He was playing, he was making mistakes, he
Speaker 1: was doing good things, he learned from it, and the
Speaker 1: next year we're we're thirteen and three with Peyton as
Speaker 1: our quarterback. So I don't believe in sitting a guy
Speaker 1: on the bench unless he's unless he's clearly not the
Speaker 1: best one. I mean, if you draft a guy her
Speaker 1: second or third. I know this year they had three
Speaker 1: guys the top three were quarterbacks. Well, it depends what
Speaker 1: kind of a situation they go into. If they go
Speaker 1: into a situation where they're they're definitely better than the
Speaker 1: guy that that's already there. You better play him, play him,
Speaker 1: you know, we were it was my first year. I
Speaker 1: wasn't going to get fired after one year. Polian wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna get fired after one year, and so we stuck
Speaker 1: painting in there. Peyton is a very mature young man.
Speaker 1: He was in he is still he's not a young man,
Speaker 1: but he's he was mature, and he handled the ups
Speaker 1: and downs extremely well. The players around him, the veterans,
Speaker 1: never lost confidence in him. He was very well respected.
Speaker 1: He had a great work ethic he and this was
Speaker 1: throughout his career, and great leadership qualities. So the three
Speaker 1: and thirteen experience didn't didn't hurt him in any way.
Speaker 1: It helped him in a lot of ways. And he
Speaker 1: just came back and he played hard every week. He
Speaker 1: throw for four interceptions one game and bounced b can
Speaker 1: practice bounce back the next week. Got better during the year,
Speaker 1: and it all paid off in year two. Yeah, and absolutely,
Speaker 1: and Jim, I I wanted to talk kind of about
Speaker 1: we're not talking too much. No, you're Jim, You're great.
Speaker 1: What it plays, don't stop. You're you're as sharp as
Speaker 1: you is it. We're back. I love it. I haven't
Speaker 1: talked to you in years. It's great. So now you
Speaker 1: coaching the A. I remember when I, you know, I
Speaker 1: was watching you with the Saints and they had you
Speaker 1: had a great defense. As you said that, there's some
Speaker 1: amazing linebackers in New Orleans. But they had this these
Speaker 1: NFL films videos with the craziest hits and all that,
Speaker 1: and they will promote that. Now in the NFL they
Speaker 1: try to downplay the hits and and the violence of
Speaker 1: football is it isn't possible, Jim, to play football without
Speaker 1: it seems like a collision sport to me, Is it
Speaker 1: possible to make it completely safe? I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: think so. Were you standing no, no, no, but no,
Speaker 1: you're right, it's not it's it is impossible to make
Speaker 1: it completely safe. I think maybe. No, I'm not sure
Speaker 1: about this. After you're still gonna you're always gonna have injuries.
Speaker 1: And they happened like the first day of training camp
Speaker 1: or a week into training camp. By reading the paper
Speaker 1: you know with the season about the start where guys
Speaker 1: get hurt in training camp and they're gonna miss the
Speaker 1: rest of the season and things like that, and I
Speaker 1: that's that's that's tough. That's really tough. It's tough on
Speaker 1: the kid, it's tough on the team. But but I
Speaker 1: I think that I think that that where the league
Speaker 1: has really improved things. And I don't know the stats,
Speaker 1: but in head injuries, you know, lose leading on a
Speaker 1: tackle or a block or something like with your head,
Speaker 1: that type of stuff, or maybe even going low on
Speaker 1: the quarterback if you're gonna about to sack him, you
Speaker 1: know where you're gonna blow out his knee or something
Speaker 1: like that. I think there's been a lot of uh
Speaker 1: improvements and and and changes and making the game better
Speaker 1: from that standpoint, but it's still it's still aggressive, hard hitting, UH.
Speaker 1: Possible injury a game, there's no question, and it always
Speaker 1: will be. I mean, these are big guys, and they're
Speaker 1: bigger all the time, and they run faster all the time,
Speaker 1: and when there's a collision, it's one heck of a
Speaker 1: collision and there's chances of getting hurt. I also think
Speaker 1: guys are better protected. I think they're in better shape
Speaker 1: to withstand some of those injury or possible injuries. But
Speaker 1: but no, it's it's a tough game. I don't want
Speaker 1: to say a vicious game because it's not a vicious game,
Speaker 1: but it's an aggressive, hard hitting, physical game, and you
Speaker 1: have injuries. And Jimmy says, I have you on now.
Speaker 1: I worked with Tom Looney, and I know you know
Speaker 1: Tom from back in the day of Fox Sports Radio
Speaker 1: and Tom whenever we would talk about you, and we
Speaker 1: were tremendous fans when you worked at the company. But
Speaker 1: I remember Tom would always say that you you're I
Speaker 1: guess your father, as I understand that your father was
Speaker 1: in the movie like was in the movie business, and
Speaker 1: so you are even though you're to me, you're the
Speaker 1: football guy and people know you as the football guy.
Speaker 1: You are also very well locked in in Hollywood. And
Speaker 1: you know every year the Academy Awards, you watch watch
Speaker 1: all those movies. Am I correct on that? Am I
Speaker 1: remembering this properly? Am I getting the information? Correct him? Yes,
Speaker 1: you are my dad. It wasn't he started out. He
Speaker 1: started out, This was when when I was you know,
Speaker 1: I wasn't a baby. I mean I was, I was
Speaker 1: probably in my I don't know, I probably wasn't in
Speaker 1: my teens yet, but it was down there somewhere. But
Speaker 1: it wasn't like I was a baby, but he went
Speaker 1: to work. He used to own an Italian restaurant in
Speaker 1: l A. Some thing's happened. I don't remember what happened,
Speaker 1: but I remember him owning it and his family had
Speaker 1: a four or five of them in Los Angeles. His his,
Speaker 1: my grandmother and all that more as grill and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. But anyway, uh, he things happened with the restaurant,
Speaker 1: and he went to work for twenty century Fox as
Speaker 1: in the Labor Gang, and he worked his way up
Speaker 1: to becoming an assistant film editor. And he was an
Speaker 1: assistant film editor at a Century Fox for most of
Speaker 1: his career. He eventually left Fox and became the supervising
Speaker 1: Uh well, I said he was an assistant film editor. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he became the supervising film editor for the Art Link
Speaker 1: Letter TV show. So he had experience at Fox with
Speaker 1: the movies and also with the Art Link Letter show.
Speaker 1: So I was around and then we we moved. When
Speaker 1: my dad was was at Fox, we moved out to
Speaker 1: West l A. Where I was. I was at Eagle
Speaker 1: in New Eagle Rock killed the ninth grade between Glendale
Speaker 1: and Pasadena. That's where Eagle Rock is until the ninth grade.
Speaker 1: And my dad needed to be closer to Fox, so
Speaker 1: we moved out there. So from the ninth grade on,
Speaker 1: I was right down the street from twenty Century Fox.
Speaker 1: I had an opportunity. I worked at Fox some during
Speaker 1: the summers, and I was able to get around movie
Speaker 1: stars and people like that. I went to a high
Speaker 1: school in West l A. Which guys from the families
Speaker 1: from students from bel Air in the movie area. People
Speaker 1: like that their kids went to went to University high school.
Speaker 1: There was a connection there. I've always been a big
Speaker 1: movie fan, a huge movie fan, and uh, I love
Speaker 1: I love working in the movies and and and my
Speaker 1: dad being in TV and and and all that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff. So yeah, JF. So when you were working
Speaker 1: when you were younger, do you who are some of
Speaker 1: the big stars that you were around when you worked
Speaker 1: on the on the lout Oh God, you remember. I
Speaker 1: know it's been a long time, but yeah, I worked too.
Speaker 1: I work one summer up on the ramp, you know
Speaker 1: where all the lamps are and stuff. I worked on
Speaker 1: two movies. I worked on Desiree, which was which was
Speaker 1: what's his name in it? Jesus? It was Desiree was
Speaker 1: Napoleon's wife or Uh, Desire movie. So that was in
Speaker 1: the nineteen uh four? Was that? Uh, eighteen fifty four.
Speaker 1: I think I'm looking my memory is bad. That's all right.
Speaker 1: I'm young and I what was that would be called
Speaker 1: There's No Business Like Show Business? Uh? Was Marlon Brando
Speaker 1: in in Desire? Was that Napoleon's mistress or wife or
Speaker 1: girlfriend or whatever? Yes? Yes, wow, God, Marlon Brando, Marlin
Speaker 1: Marlon Brando with Napoleon so that, you know, it was
Speaker 1: fun for me sitting up there, you know, in charge
Speaker 1: of about three of those lamps where the guy would say, okay,
Speaker 1: make it brighter, make it less, brighter, turn it on,
Speaker 1: turn it off. Whatever. Then you'd watch him shoot the
Speaker 1: scenes and you're watching Marlon Brando. I think it was
Speaker 1: Gene Simmons was Desiree And uh yeah, that was kind
Speaker 1: of fun. When we did the musical There's No Business
Speaker 1: Like Show Business. It was fun just being around you,
Speaker 1: going in and setting up to the stages and stuff
Speaker 1: before they did shooting a movie. Uh, all that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff. I enjoyed it. I like I like the
Speaker 1: movies I haven't been for, but I have been a few.
Speaker 1: But you know, with the COVID and everything. It's been tough, Jim.
Speaker 1: Everything on TV anyway, Jim, Jim, speaking of TV, do
Speaker 1: you do you ever use do you watch videos on YouTube? Yeah? Yeah, alright.
Speaker 1: I bring that up because of this being an old
Speaker 1: football guy myself and enjoying, uh, the years back in
Speaker 1: the day when big hits like Ben had mentioned, we're allowed.
Speaker 1: I always go back to your press conferences, Like there's
Speaker 1: certain head coaches you Mike Dick, John Tortorella, the New
Speaker 1: York Rangers back in the day, Um, Darryl Sutter who's
Speaker 1: in the National Hockey League. They're just certain guys. And
Speaker 1: you know, you get those great moments when you did
Speaker 1: a good laugh and I tell you what we did?
Speaker 1: Did lee pooh? Offensive? We sucked? Is there a rat
Speaker 1: that you ever go back and you look at you
Speaker 1: to say that was an awesome moments? Awesome or awful both?
Speaker 1: I guess one or the other. Yeah. Never, probably more
Speaker 1: awful the ones you see or here, we're more awful
Speaker 1: than awesome. I mean the rant I get all the time,
Speaker 1: all the time walking down the street wherever I hear playoffs.
Speaker 1: You know, well, I'm not gonna say it like I
Speaker 1: said it then, but I get the playoffs thing, which
Speaker 1: which I'm a little bit nervous it will be the
Speaker 1: thing that when I die, you know, Oh yeah, he
Speaker 1: was a guy that said playoffs all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: I get. I get that a lot in in I
Speaker 1: get guys always sending me they want me to sign
Speaker 1: these cards, you know, and and let's they sign your
Speaker 1: name and put playoffs on there. But anyway, that's probably
Speaker 1: the one. And you know, it's not that the worst
Speaker 1: thing in the world that I ever said, but and
Speaker 1: it wasn't a big deal when I said it, I thought,
Speaker 1: But but it it became a big deal. And uh,
Speaker 1: I'd like to I go back to my press conferences.
Speaker 1: In my mind, I go back to them, and there
Speaker 1: were some things I should and should have done differently
Speaker 1: that I regret. Yeah, no question about it. But I've
Speaker 1: always been an emotional guy, and sometimes I didn't handle
Speaker 1: those kind of moments whatever they were very well, and
Speaker 1: I said some things I wished I hadn't said. Who
Speaker 1: did you well? I mean that playoff thing. I remember
Speaker 1: when when you were working at Fox. I mean, that
Speaker 1: was big then and it's still all these years later, Jim,
Speaker 1: it's still it's it's amazing that that has had legs
Speaker 1: and people still it's Internet memes, and I mean, you
Speaker 1: are I don't know if you're on social media or not,
Speaker 1: but you're all over that and I'm not on social media.
Speaker 1: I don't do that. Don't do it. Okay. I walked
Speaker 1: down the street, not all the time now, but some
Speaker 1: and I see some guy. Say, I'm knocking down the
Speaker 1: street somewhere, and this guy passes me and he kind
Speaker 1: of looks at me, and he kind of looks like
Speaker 1: he recognizes me, and then say, I hear about ten
Speaker 1: paces past me, and I heard the him say playoffs,
Speaker 1: you know, and that kind of stuff. Or a little
Speaker 1: kid might come up to me and asked me to
Speaker 1: autograph something to put playoffs, which I don't mind doing that,
Speaker 1: but sometimes it kind of depends what kind of mood
Speaker 1: I'm in. A said, whether I'm going to respond to
Speaker 1: request for an autograph and say playoffs or not, I
Speaker 1: don't know. It kind of depends, but but it is
Speaker 1: what it is, you know. And when I said it,
Speaker 1: I didn't think it was that big a deal. I mean,
Speaker 1: some guy asked me about, well, how does this was
Speaker 1: my last year with the Colts and he says. It
Speaker 1: was after a game, and it was towards the end
Speaker 1: of the season and we were going to make the playoffs,
Speaker 1: and some guys that we just lost the game, and
Speaker 1: some media guys says, well, hey, coach, well what does
Speaker 1: this loss due to your chances of making the playoffs?
Speaker 1: And that's when I responded, I said, you know, are
Speaker 1: you I said, are you kidding me? Playoffs? I mean,
Speaker 1: we're just trying to win a game, and that's all
Speaker 1: I said. And I think it was the game against
Speaker 1: the forty Niners. Yeah, I think it might have been
Speaker 1: the game against I think my son Jim was a
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator of the forty Irons and they kicked our button. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it was a home game. It might have been.
Speaker 1: I think Pete Manning. I think three picks three picks
Speaker 1: in that ball game. So um, well, I mean you
Speaker 1: mentioned some of the things that you regret. What did
Speaker 1: you regret inside the locked room with the media guys?
Speaker 1: A lot a lot of that stuff I I was not.
Speaker 1: I mean in New Orleans, I I had a problem
Speaker 1: with one of the guys, and you know that kind
Speaker 1: of lasted for a few years that I didn't appreciate,
Speaker 1: but I didn't always blame me. I would blame him
Speaker 1: for some of the questions and things he said and
Speaker 1: things he asked me. But but and I I some
Speaker 1: of the media guys that I that I got to know,
Speaker 1: I still I still talked to occasionally or get a
Speaker 1: text from or text them back or something. I was in. UH.
Speaker 1: I was in New Orleans a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 1: and and and Brian Allie Walsh who was a sports
Speaker 1: guy writer for for the Time, Stick of You, and
Speaker 1: when I was there, he and I got together for
Speaker 1: a cup of coffee down in downtown New Orleans, sat
Speaker 1: there for two or three hours and talked. UH and
Speaker 1: so most of these guys, I have a great respect
Speaker 1: for the media, especially since I was in the media
Speaker 1: after coaching. I know what they go through. But I
Speaker 1: felt like some of the things we're not fair, which
Speaker 1: is no big deal. And UH, I probably overreacted to
Speaker 1: some of the questions I was asked or things like that.
Speaker 1: And it was usually you know, after a game and
Speaker 1: an emotional situation, things like that. But I I was
Speaker 1: I was probably I know I was wrong at times.
Speaker 1: Last question, I know we've kept it longer than we
Speaker 1: said we were. I don't have no, no, I want to.
Speaker 1: I would ask you, like, what is the secret you
Speaker 1: are as as sharp you're You're in your eighties, now,
Speaker 1: what is the secret to staying as sharp as you are? No? Seriously,
Speaker 1: you sound you sound it's insane. You don't sound your age,
Speaker 1: And what is the secret, Jim, I don't look my
Speaker 1: age either, And I'll brag about that, Okay, full ball
Speaker 1: if my dad died at ninety three. So I think
Speaker 1: jeans plays a part in it. I will say I
Speaker 1: keep myself physically in good shape. I have a trainer
Speaker 1: now this, and I've you know, when you're coaching here,
Speaker 1: always around the weight rooms and things like that, so
Speaker 1: you always had a chance to, you know, work out.
Speaker 1: So I'm not all coaches do it, but but I
Speaker 1: would take advantage of it as best I could, especially
Speaker 1: during the off season. And and since I stopped coaching,
Speaker 1: I've always I work out and I go to a
Speaker 1: trainer twice a week for an hour twice a week
Speaker 1: of really a tough hour of everything, body works, strange, cardio,
Speaker 1: the whole thing. I got a peloton in my house
Speaker 1: and I'll hop on for thirty to forty five minutes
Speaker 1: four times a week, five three or four times a week,
Speaker 1: and you know, push ups and stuff like so I
Speaker 1: keep myself in shape. I don't eat a bunch of junk.
Speaker 1: I have a little bit I could. I have a
Speaker 1: little bit of a high sugar problem, so I lay
Speaker 1: off the sweet stuff. And uh, I don't know, you know,
Speaker 1: just be being lucky. I haven't had any major uh
Speaker 1: uh illnesses or thing. I've had a couple of cancer problems,
Speaker 1: but not not fatally type kind. But I've been lucky.
Speaker 1: But I try to take care of myself. But I
Speaker 1: think a lot of it is just look, I got
Speaker 1: to tell you something of that, and I hate to
Speaker 1: even say that. In the last couple of years, I
Speaker 1: have lost more long time friends, associates, coaching friends, players,
Speaker 1: things like that, and it just drives me crazy that
Speaker 1: these I mean, I couldn't put the number on both
Speaker 1: hands of both hands twice of guys that have died,
Speaker 1: that good friends of mine, really good friends of mine,
Speaker 1: and that former coaches, the guys I coached with, players,
Speaker 1: everything in the last couple of years. So I know
Speaker 1: I'm getting older when all of this is happening, and
Speaker 1: I don't like it. It bothers me, it depresses me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well you sound great, Jim, you look great. And as
Speaker 1: my my grandfather said, tell me, getting old ain't for wims, right,
Speaker 1: and you're you're living that's right. Yeah, but you're doing
Speaker 1: a great job. What I fight it, I ain't gonna
Speaker 1: lose to it good. I'm I'm not gonna be like Listen, guys,
Speaker 1: I was sitting in a restaurant the other day and
Speaker 1: this guy was sitting next to me, and then he
Speaker 1: recognized me, and he says, oh, that's old guys, you know.
Speaker 1: And I said well, and I said, well, I said,
Speaker 1: I bet I'm older than you. He looks he looks
Speaker 1: a hell or I look and I said, I'll bet
Speaker 1: i'm old. You don't look like I said, yeah, I said,
Speaker 1: how old are you? He's a seventy three And I said, well,
Speaker 1: I'm made six. I know I looked better than him.
Speaker 1: You know, you you do. I mean, I remember, like
Speaker 1: I said, I gotta wrap this up. And when when
Speaker 1: you worked at Fox Sports Radio, you even back in
Speaker 1: the end, you you were like, look, you always look
Speaker 1: at twenty at least twenty years younger than you actually are.
Speaker 1: So you're you're doing great, Jim. Thank you all right,
Speaker 1: I want to have you on again. You're wonderful. I'll
Speaker 1: tell Tom and all the guys there's a few guys
Speaker 1: left at Fox Sports Radio from when you were there,
Speaker 1: so I will pass it on to all the guys
Speaker 1: that are still hanging out and good luck, good health,
Speaker 1: and uh well, I love you and we're big fans.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Jim. Okay, great talking to you. Guys. Have
Speaker 1: a good day.