1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 1: Boom. If you've thought four hours a day, minutes a 2 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: week was enough, I think again. He's the last remnants 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: of the old republic a sole fashion of fairness. He 4 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: treats crackheads in the ghetto cutter the same as the 5 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: rich pill poppers in the penthouse to clearing house of 6 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: hot takes. Break three for Something Special Hour with Ben 7 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: Maller starts right now in the air everywhere, because hey, listen, 8 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 1: four hours a night on the Overnight not enough. Eight 9 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: days a week a spinoff of the Overnight Show, And 10 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: I am very excited here on the Friday podcast to 11 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 1: have one of my favorite people that I've in my 12 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: career in radio that I have gone across. Now. We 13 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 1: used to introduce him in a minute, but first joined 14 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: again this weekend by the Man, the Myth, the Legend, 15 00:00:56,480 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: my sparring partner on and off the podcast from Best 16 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: of the four oh five, David Gascon is here. I 17 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:07,320 Speaker 1: don't know if we should be trusted with with the 18 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: fencing attire or any kind of sparring. I don't know. 19 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: I can't see us in any kind of fencing attire. Well, 20 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: it's audio sparring, it's lobbying, insults, at each other and 21 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 1: then hugging it out. That's typically how that works. Speaking 22 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: of which, I will shut up for now because I'm 23 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: excited about your guests that's coming on right now. Yeah, 24 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:31,400 Speaker 1: this is great. So I've run across some interesting cats 25 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 1: in my time at Fox Sports Radio. Former NFL players, coaches, 26 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: baseball players, NBA players that have passed through the allout 27 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,960 Speaker 1: hallways of FS are. But one of my favorites at 28 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 1: the very top of the list is a guy. When 29 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: I was a kid and I was falling in love 30 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: with football, I remember watching this guy when the Rams 31 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: would play the New Orleans Saints, Jim Mora Jim Moore. 32 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: Remember Jim Moore coached the Indianapolis Colts as well well. 33 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: Jim Moore worked at Fox Sports Radio for a number 34 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: of years. He hadn't worked there in probably over a 35 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: decade at this particular point, but he did a weekend 36 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 1: show and I got to fill in on that show, 37 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: and I did some shows with Jim. I remember it 38 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: was around the time Hurricane Katrina had happened, and Jim 39 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:16,959 Speaker 1: had obviously lived in New Orleans and who I remember 40 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: watching the media coverage in the studio and Jim was 41 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 1: talking about different parishes that he had visited or lived 42 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 1: in and all the damage being done in New Orleans. 43 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:28,519 Speaker 1: But I found memberies just a growing up watching Jim 44 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 1: and it's it's one of those weird things in life 45 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 1: when you come across someone who was not a hero 46 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 1: or anything like that, but just the fact that it's 47 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: it's surreal when you know someone a little bit that 48 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: you watched as a kid, and it's really cool. And 49 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 1: Jim's well known, he's he's known as the rant guy. 50 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:44,799 Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll get into that at some point here. 51 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: The rant guy from Playoffs and my favorite, Jim mora rant. 52 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: I've told him this to his face, so I'm not 53 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:54,359 Speaker 1: talking out of school. Here was the Diddley Pooh rant 54 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,239 Speaker 1: from New Orleans, which I believes a gold standard top 55 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 1: five of all time. But Jim Moore, former NFL coach, 56 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: a man that coach multiple teams a long career and 57 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: in football, a football this guy started at Occidental in 58 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: the nineteen sixties and worked his way up in college football. 59 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:19,359 Speaker 1: Was with UH defensive coach for the Seahawks. He was 60 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:23,359 Speaker 1: an assistant with the Patriots, the Eagles coached Uh, We're 61 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,639 Speaker 1: not the Eagles. Actually no, that was in the the USFL, 62 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: Philadelphia and Baltimore. That franchise at the starts. Anyway, Uh, 63 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: let's get to the man right now, who's as sharp 64 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: as every case in mid eighties. Now, I think we'd 65 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: all want to be what Jim Moore is right now. 66 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: I know I'm sucking up to your Jim, But why 67 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: don't we start since I where I met you at 68 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio? Where does your time You've done a 69 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: lot of different media stuff since you left coaching. Where 70 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: does your time at Fox Sports Radio rank on your 71 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: big board of accomplishments in your media career. I liked 72 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: it a lot. And I was living in the desert 73 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: over near Palm Springs on Evan Palm Desert, which is 74 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: where I lived when I was doing that with Fox, 75 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: and I worked every weekend on Fox Sports Radio. I 76 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: think it was from my twelve to four, ten to two. 77 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: I think it was a four hour shot. And I 78 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: forgot exactly who I was on with, but he was 79 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: the main guy and I was, I guess his assistant 80 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,280 Speaker 1: or helper or whatever. And I really enjoyed it. I'd 81 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: drove over there and worked on Saturday and then did 82 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: another show on Sunday and then drove back on Sunday evening. Uh. 83 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: They put me up at a hotel there. Near the 84 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: hotel was the Fox. Are you guys still in the valley? Truman? Okay? 85 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: I usually they usually put me up at a place 86 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: over the hill in the West l A. Area. And 87 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 1: I don't remember exactly what hotel it was, but I 88 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: really enjoyed the time that I spent over there. Had 89 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: at a good time. People were loose, they were fun, uh, 90 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 1: and it was on being on the radio, and I 91 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: had a good time. It was a good experience for me. Yeah, 92 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 1: and I j if I loved I got to fill in. 93 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: I worked with you a few times back in those days. 94 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: And it's it's been a while, and I think you've 95 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: met worked with Dan Moriarty is I think it was Dan. Yeah, 96 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 1: I think it was Dan. I haven't heard of or 97 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 1: seen Dan since then, but I think it was Dan. Yeah. 98 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 1: He's still around, He's still bouncing around and all that. 99 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 1: And I know I had talked you off before we 100 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,280 Speaker 1: started rolling on the podcast here that and I've seen 101 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:31,040 Speaker 1: you on TV, Jim, because you have for years. You 102 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 1: former New Orleans Saints coach and you've you've done some 103 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: media work in New Orleans right since over the last 104 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 1: decade or so, you've been part of some of the 105 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 1: Saints coverage right. Well, for the last I think I'm 106 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: going on to my thirteenth season this year, either my 107 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 1: twelve or thirteen season. I've been doing work with w 108 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: A D s U. W D s U is the 109 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: NBC affiliate in New Orleans television, and uh, what we did, 110 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 1: we what we do now still is whenever there's a 111 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: game on national television, like a Monday night game, a 112 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:09,040 Speaker 1: Friday night game, or a Thursday night game, whatever time is, 113 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: it's just it's the game and be like the game 114 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 1: that's on Tomorrow night, Thursday night. Whenever there's a national 115 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:19,159 Speaker 1: TV game that is shown either by NBC or even 116 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: E S, t N or something that NBC is affiliate with, 117 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 1: the w d s U station in New Orleans does 118 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: a pregame show and a post game show. The pregame 119 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 1: show could be three to four hours. Uh, we did 120 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 1: our first one this year. A couple of weeks ago. 121 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: They were playing the last preseason game on a national 122 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 1: TV and I went down there and we did. But 123 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 1: then when you did, we do it like a three 124 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: or four our pregame show and then an hour or 125 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: so post game show. And I've been doing that. Like 126 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: I said, I think it's either my twelve or thirteenth year. Now. 127 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: Last year where they didn't have we didn't do it. 128 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: We did. We did a zoom every week. I did 129 00:06:57,360 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 1: it from my home here in Palm Desert. This year 130 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: we're doing it again. I think they have four or 131 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 1: five games on National TV. I like no Ones on Thanksgiving, 132 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: but that type of game will be on from New Orleans. 133 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: And we're also doing a zoom every week. In fact, 134 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: we're set up to do a zoom about the game 135 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: this week on Thursday. Tomorrow morning, I'm doing a zoom 136 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: with W. D. S. Shoe. So That's what I've been doing. 137 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: As far as that's that, Yeah, that kind of a deal. No, No, sure, 138 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: And uh, when you when you look around the NFL 139 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: and the when when you were doing it, Jim and 140 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: you were, you know, coaching in the NFL was wild 141 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: and crazy. It seems like even you know, every year 142 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: the NFL gets bigger and bigger and bigger. And as 143 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: someone that's spent a good amount of time as as 144 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: an adult coaching in the NFL. When you when you 145 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: take a couple of steps back and look at where 146 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: the NFL's at right now, Jim, like, how can you 147 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: have you put a perspective insane how much money there 148 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: is in football and how big and popular it is 149 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: part of the American culture right now. Yes it is. 150 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: And you know, I look back, and of course I 151 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: look at what I made as a head coach in 152 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: the NFL, and what head coaches are making now, what 153 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: assistant coaches are making now, and all that kind of good. 154 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: I mean, it's happening in everywhere. It's not just happening 155 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: in the NFL, but it's happening in the entertainment business. 156 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: And basically basically the NFL is an entertainment business. And um, so, 157 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: you know, and the game itself has changed. I'll tell 158 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: you another big change is the number of coaches on 159 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: a coaching staff in the NFL. When I coached, we 160 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:36,559 Speaker 1: probably had ten oral that maybe twelve coaches can concluding 161 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 1: me and the special team's coach and then the offense 162 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 1: and defensive coaches. Now, I'll bet there's not an NFL 163 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: team in existence that has less than twenty coaches on 164 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: their staff. I don't know what they do with all 165 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:50,839 Speaker 1: of them, but I know that they have a you know, 166 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: they really specialize as far as coaching the positions are concerned. 167 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 1: So that's a huge change as far as I'm concerned. 168 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 1: But the the the offenses, the just the money, obviously, Uh, 169 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 1: it's it's a it's a big deal. When I watched 170 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 1: games and when I read about him and talk about 171 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: him on TV and stuff, I mean, I realize how 172 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: things have changed an immense in an immense way. Yeah, 173 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: and you mentioned you had like twelve coaches when you 174 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: were coaching the Colts and the Saints back back in 175 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: the day. Is is it almost too much? I know 176 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 1: you're not you don't have twenty coaches. You're not coaching 177 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: right now, Jim, But at some point, isn't that number 178 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: too much? You can't hear everyone's voice, can you? If 179 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:34,439 Speaker 1: you have that many assistant coaches, that must be uh, 180 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 1: a logistical nightmare. I would think, how does how does 181 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: that work? Well? I don't know now, you know what 182 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: I've I've gotten to meet Sean Payton back with the 183 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,720 Speaker 1: coach of the Saints, obviously, and I've spent some time 184 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: talking to him, But I've never asked him that question, 185 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: and I've got to ask him that question. Sometimes. I'm 186 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: in my den, which is also my office here in 187 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 1: my house, I'm looking at a picture on the wall 188 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: of my Saints staff one of the years that we 189 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: were there, and I'm counting one to three, four, six, seven, eight, nine, 190 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:09,839 Speaker 1: eleven eleven coaches including me as a head coach, and 191 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: our and our strength and conditioning coach, and then all 192 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 1: my assistant coach. There's eleven in that article in that picture. 193 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: Like I said, now, and I followed this a little 194 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: bit because of you know, covering the NFL for w D, 195 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 1: s U and everything, there's not there's not a staff 196 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:28,559 Speaker 1: less than twenty I guarantee in the NFL. Again, I 197 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: don't it's very specialized, obviously, but you know, I think 198 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: a lot of the high tech I think there's a 199 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: lot of difference in in in game planning and information 200 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: that you use from game planning, about the differences in 201 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:45,319 Speaker 1: film and exchanging films and all that kind of stuff. 202 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: And I know it's a lot different than it is now, 203 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 1: but I think there's a lot of high tech stuff 204 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: involved now in being a coach or information you get 205 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: through that way as opposed to other ways more primitive 206 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: that we did. And I think that that involved more 207 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: more guys, more coaches breaking stuff down and things like 208 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: that to get ready for the season, for the draft 209 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: games and things like that. I don't know, Jim, is 210 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: the game better. I'm just assuming Jim, is the game better? 211 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:19,679 Speaker 1: Do you think? Yeah? Well, is it better? I think 212 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: it's more exciting, it's more wide open. It's definitely more 213 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: wide open. I mean, the passing game has become more 214 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: a bigger deal than it used to be. And and 215 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 1: the formations they use the defense, you very seldom see 216 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: a defense signed up with four defensive backs line up 217 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 1: with four defensive backs. Now, most of the time they're 218 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: gonna have at least five defensive backs. On first down, 219 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: they're gonna have five defensive backs. Back when I was coaching, 220 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: on first down, you were mostly with four defense defensive 221 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 1: backs because you know, you're worried about the run game 222 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:55,079 Speaker 1: and things like that. Now the offenses are wide open 223 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: four three or four receivers much of the time. And uh, 224 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: and that of course changes what you do on defense, 225 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: and and and most of the time there's there's five 226 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 1: defensive backs out there. To protect the passing game. So 227 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: that's big, a big change as far as I'm concerned. 228 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: But you know, now you've got practice We never when 229 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: I first started coaching, we never had a practice squad. 230 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: Now the practice squad came in while I was still coaching. 231 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: But now they have what is it fifteen or something 232 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 1: like that on the practice scott or twelve you know, 233 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: yeah about the practice squad. Yeah, they added more because 234 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:35,679 Speaker 1: of COVID. So yeah, there's that they added because of COVID. Okay, 235 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:40,319 Speaker 1: I didn't know that as as I understand what I know, 236 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:45,079 Speaker 1: but it's even before COVID there was more than what 237 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:47,319 Speaker 1: I what we had when I was coaching, but I 238 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: didn't really I can understand that now adding more because 239 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: of COVID, Yeah, for sure. I don't know. It's just 240 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,839 Speaker 1: that the squad sizes is basically the same. You know, 241 00:12:57,920 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 1: what they can what they can dress on game day. 242 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: It's I think it's well, I think they can keep 243 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 1: fifty three and the active roster and then then they 244 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 1: got the practice squad and then but I don't know 245 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: if they can. I don't know, But anyway, it's it's 246 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: it's a different game. Offensively, it's a different game. Well 247 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:17,440 Speaker 1: when it comes to the coaching styles, though, I mean 248 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: there's there's still obviously that nuance that's involved. Do you 249 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:23,839 Speaker 1: feel like it is more leaning towards a if you 250 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 1: as long as you're a good offensive coordinator, you've got 251 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: a shot at being a good head coach, is opposed 252 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: to being a great defensive coordinator and being a good 253 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:34,959 Speaker 1: head coach. You know, I'm not sure about that. That's 254 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: that's a good question. And I kind of follow, you know, 255 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: coaching changes and stuff. I'm not at all familiar with 256 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:46,559 Speaker 1: the head coaches now a lot of most of them, um, 257 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: but I that's a good question. I think they're basically 258 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: looking for good guys that would be good head coaches, 259 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,959 Speaker 1: whether it's software defense. But yes, if I had to 260 00:13:58,040 --> 00:13:59,719 Speaker 1: make a guess, and I could have to have to 261 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: look this up, probably the majority. I don't think it's 262 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: a major majority, but I think the majority would be 263 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 1: offensive oriented coaches that become head coaches. So, I mean, 264 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: with that being said, then do you feel that a 265 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 1: lot of what is being utilized at the high school 266 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: than college level is able to translate into the program. 267 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 1: I mean, we've we saw in years past, obviously with 268 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 1: like Arkansas and even Auburn running the wildcat, but the 269 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: styles and obviously four and five wide personnel. Do you 270 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: feel like that is sustainable for the National Football League 271 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 1: or do you like when teams are more balanced and 272 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 1: using a traditional fullback and the tight end or two 273 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: time ends. Well, there's no idea. I don't know if 274 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 1: anybody has a fullback anymore. I guess they do, but 275 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: he's not on the field very often. I know that 276 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: he's listed as a fullback, but he gets in there 277 00:14:55,480 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: about three times a game. But anyway, uh, I I 278 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: think you see a difference in collegiate football. I already do. 279 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: I think that's the passing. Here's the deal. And this 280 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 1: has always been mostly true, but I'm not so sure 281 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 1: it's not more true than ever before. To really be good, 282 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: really be good super Bowl candidate, get into the NFC 283 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: Championship game, you better have something somebody special at quarterback. 284 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: He just better. I don't care what I don't. I 285 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: think it's really hard to get to a Super Bowl 286 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: as as with an average quarterback and say a great 287 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 1: defense or a great running back. I think you better 288 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: have a great quarterback. That's my special quarterback. I already 289 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: feel that who is important? Who is the best quarterback 290 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: you've ever coached that I ever? Well, probably probably Bobby A. 291 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 1: Barrett at Oh, No, well, Peyton Manning. I coached Peyton 292 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: Manning his first four years, and he became Yeah, he 293 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 1: was probably the best, and obviously became the best after 294 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: I left there. But uh, and then and then in 295 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: New Orleans, we had a guy by the name of 296 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: Bobby A. Bear that was our quarterback for many of 297 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: the years that I was there. I was there eleven years, 298 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: he went there every year. But and he was a 299 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: really good quarterback. Was he a great And I know 300 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 1: Bobby very well. And when I say this, I don't 301 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 1: mean to demean him, because but he was a really 302 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: good quarterback, a good leader, tough, smart, all those kind 303 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: of things that players looked up to him. But was 304 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: he in the in the Home Hall of Fame category 305 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 1: or something like that. No, No, And he and he 306 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: and we we were a defensive team primarily, was our 307 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: strength when I was coaching the Saints offensively primarily, And 308 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: uh with the Colts primarily and offense. Our strength was offense. 309 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: But Peyton was I mean you could see right away 310 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 1: with Peyton that he was going to be special. Yeah, 311 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: and but he did. I mean his rookie year, he 312 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: had a bunch of intersepts. I remember, and you know, 313 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: you guys had a great team that year, and what 314 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: do you think finally click for him? Because wait a minute, 315 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 1: let me let me tell you something. When we drafted 316 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 1: Peyton with the first pick in the draft in it 317 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: was my first year, Bill Pollion's first year as a GM, 318 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: it came down, we're gonna draft one or two guys, 319 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: either either Peyton or Ryan Leef. We drafted Peyton. Okay, 320 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: that's that's another story. But but I told from we 321 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 1: drafted him one weekend. The very next weekend we had 322 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: our first mini camp. Are key players in there? My 323 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 1: first year, our first time we had all the team 324 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: in there, and I Peyton was our starter. I mean, 325 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: it wasn't like, well, let's playing behind this guy for 326 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,159 Speaker 1: a year or two and get experienced and all that. 327 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: He was the starting quarterback from the very first practice 328 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 1: he ever was out was involved in as an NFL player, 329 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 1: And he was that first year in and he played 330 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: every offensive play and we our record was three and thirteen. Okay, 331 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: now he got better as the season went on, and 332 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: you could see it, the improvement from game to game 333 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: to game. At the end of the season, he was 334 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 1: a pretty dark, good looking quarterback at that point and 335 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 1: you could see the possibilities. But we weren't a very 336 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: good football team, either defensively or in a lot of ways. 337 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: We made some changes during the off season, not a lot, 338 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:27,880 Speaker 1: but if you the next year we were thirteen and three, 339 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 1: and the fact that Peyton was our starting quarterback for 340 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:35,360 Speaker 1: the three and thirteen his first season, made a big 341 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 1: difference in his ability to play that second year. I mean, 342 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 1: I really, I mean, he wasn't sitting on the bench 343 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 1: getting experience. He was playing, he was making mistakes, he 344 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 1: was doing good things, he learned from it, and the 345 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: next year we're we're thirteen and three with Peyton as 346 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:54,120 Speaker 1: our quarterback. So I don't believe in sitting a guy 347 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: on the bench unless he's unless he's clearly not the 348 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:00,119 Speaker 1: best one. I mean, if you draft a guy her 349 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,120 Speaker 1: second or third. I know this year they had three 350 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 1: guys the top three were quarterbacks. Well, it depends what 351 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 1: kind of a situation they go into. If they go 352 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: into a situation where they're they're definitely better than the 353 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: guy that that's already there. You better play him, play him, 354 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,119 Speaker 1: you know, we were it was my first year. I 355 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 1: wasn't going to get fired after one year. Polian wasn't 356 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 1: gonna get fired after one year, and so we stuck 357 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:25,679 Speaker 1: painting in there. Peyton is a very mature young man. 358 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 1: He was in he is still he's not a young man, 359 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:31,360 Speaker 1: but he's he was mature, and he handled the ups 360 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: and downs extremely well. The players around him, the veterans, 361 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: never lost confidence in him. He was very well respected. 362 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: He had a great work ethic he and this was 363 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:48,360 Speaker 1: throughout his career, and great leadership qualities. So the three 364 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 1: and thirteen experience didn't didn't hurt him in any way. 365 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: It helped him in a lot of ways. And he 366 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: just came back and he played hard every week. He 367 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:00,199 Speaker 1: throw for four interceptions one game and bounced b can 368 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: practice bounce back the next week. Got better during the year, 369 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: and it all paid off in year two. Yeah, and absolutely, 370 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 1: and Jim, I I wanted to talk kind of about 371 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 1: we're not talking too much. No, you're Jim, You're great. 372 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: What it plays, don't stop. You're you're as sharp as 373 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: you is it. We're back. I love it. I haven't 374 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 1: talked to you in years. It's great. So now you 375 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 1: coaching the A. I remember when I, you know, I 376 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 1: was watching you with the Saints and they had you 377 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 1: had a great defense. As you said that, there's some 378 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: amazing linebackers in New Orleans. But they had this these 379 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: NFL films videos with the craziest hits and all that, 380 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 1: and they will promote that. Now in the NFL they 381 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: try to downplay the hits and and the violence of 382 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: football is it isn't possible, Jim, to play football without 383 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 1: it seems like a collision sport to me, Is it 384 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,640 Speaker 1: possible to make it completely safe? I don't. I don't 385 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: think so. Were you standing no, no, no, but no, 386 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,439 Speaker 1: you're right, it's not it's it is impossible to make 387 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:58,120 Speaker 1: it completely safe. I think maybe. No, I'm not sure 388 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:00,880 Speaker 1: about this. After you're still gonna you're always gonna have injuries. 389 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: And they happened like the first day of training camp 390 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: or a week into training camp. By reading the paper 391 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: you know with the season about the start where guys 392 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 1: get hurt in training camp and they're gonna miss the 393 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: rest of the season and things like that, and I 394 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 1: that's that's that's tough. That's really tough. It's tough on 395 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 1: the kid, it's tough on the team. But but I 396 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 1: I think that I think that that where the league 397 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: has really improved things. And I don't know the stats, 398 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:30,440 Speaker 1: but in head injuries, you know, lose leading on a 399 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: tackle or a block or something like with your head, 400 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: that type of stuff, or maybe even going low on 401 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: the quarterback if you're gonna about to sack him, you 402 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,120 Speaker 1: know where you're gonna blow out his knee or something 403 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 1: like that. I think there's been a lot of uh 404 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: improvements and and and changes and making the game better 405 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:56,719 Speaker 1: from that standpoint, but it's still it's still aggressive, hard hitting, UH. 406 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 1: Possible injury a game, there's no question, and it always 407 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,640 Speaker 1: will be. I mean, these are big guys, and they're 408 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,360 Speaker 1: bigger all the time, and they run faster all the time, 409 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 1: and when there's a collision, it's one heck of a 410 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,680 Speaker 1: collision and there's chances of getting hurt. I also think 411 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,479 Speaker 1: guys are better protected. I think they're in better shape 412 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 1: to withstand some of those injury or possible injuries. But 413 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:18,959 Speaker 1: but no, it's it's a tough game. I don't want 414 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 1: to say a vicious game because it's not a vicious game, 415 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 1: but it's an aggressive, hard hitting, physical game, and you 416 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 1: have injuries. And Jimmy says, I have you on now. 417 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: I worked with Tom Looney, and I know you know 418 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:33,640 Speaker 1: Tom from back in the day of Fox Sports Radio 419 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 1: and Tom whenever we would talk about you, and we 420 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 1: were tremendous fans when you worked at the company. But 421 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 1: I remember Tom would always say that you you're I 422 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 1: guess your father, as I understand that your father was 423 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 1: in the movie like was in the movie business, and 424 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,639 Speaker 1: so you are even though you're to me, you're the 425 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 1: football guy and people know you as the football guy. 426 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 1: You are also very well locked in in Hollywood. And 427 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 1: you know every year the Academy Awards, you watch watch 428 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: all those movies. Am I correct on that? Am I 429 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: remembering this properly? Am I getting the information? Correct him? Yes, 430 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: you are my dad. It wasn't he started out. He 431 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,399 Speaker 1: started out, This was when when I was you know, 432 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 1: I wasn't a baby. I mean I was, I was 433 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 1: probably in my I don't know, I probably wasn't in 434 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: my teens yet, but it was down there somewhere. But 435 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:30,239 Speaker 1: it wasn't like I was a baby, but he went 436 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 1: to work. He used to own an Italian restaurant in 437 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,439 Speaker 1: l A. Some thing's happened. I don't remember what happened, 438 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 1: but I remember him owning it and his family had 439 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:40,879 Speaker 1: a four or five of them in Los Angeles. His his, 440 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,439 Speaker 1: my grandmother and all that more as grill and stuff 441 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 1: like that. But anyway, uh, he things happened with the restaurant, 442 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,880 Speaker 1: and he went to work for twenty century Fox as 443 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: in the Labor Gang, and he worked his way up 444 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,159 Speaker 1: to becoming an assistant film editor. And he was an 445 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 1: assistant film editor at a Century Fox for most of 446 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: his career. He eventually left Fox and became the supervising 447 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 1: Uh well, I said he was an assistant film editor. Yeah, 448 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,440 Speaker 1: he became the supervising film editor for the Art Link 449 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:20,920 Speaker 1: Letter TV show. So he had experience at Fox with 450 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 1: the movies and also with the Art Link Letter show. 451 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: So I was around and then we we moved. When 452 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 1: my dad was was at Fox, we moved out to 453 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: West l A. Where I was. I was at Eagle 454 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 1: in New Eagle Rock killed the ninth grade between Glendale 455 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: and Pasadena. That's where Eagle Rock is until the ninth grade. 456 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 1: And my dad needed to be closer to Fox, so 457 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 1: we moved out there. So from the ninth grade on, 458 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,920 Speaker 1: I was right down the street from twenty Century Fox. 459 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: I had an opportunity. I worked at Fox some during 460 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:56,200 Speaker 1: the summers, and I was able to get around movie 461 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 1: stars and people like that. I went to a high 462 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 1: school in West l A. Which guys from the families 463 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: from students from bel Air in the movie area. People 464 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 1: like that their kids went to went to University high school. 465 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,440 Speaker 1: There was a connection there. I've always been a big 466 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 1: movie fan, a huge movie fan, and uh, I love 467 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:20,159 Speaker 1: I love working in the movies and and and my 468 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 1: dad being in TV and and and all that kind 469 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: of stuff. So yeah, JF. So when you were working 470 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: when you were younger, do you who are some of 471 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 1: the big stars that you were around when you worked 472 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:34,159 Speaker 1: on the on the lout Oh God, you remember. I 473 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 1: know it's been a long time, but yeah, I worked too. 474 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 1: I work one summer up on the ramp, you know 475 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 1: where all the lamps are and stuff. I worked on 476 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: two movies. I worked on Desiree, which was which was 477 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 1: what's his name in it? Jesus? It was Desiree was 478 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 1: Napoleon's wife or Uh, Desire movie. So that was in 479 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:04,880 Speaker 1: the nineteen uh four? Was that? Uh, eighteen fifty four. 480 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,479 Speaker 1: I think I'm looking my memory is bad. That's all right. 481 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: I'm young and I what was that would be called 482 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,479 Speaker 1: There's No Business Like Show Business? Uh? Was Marlon Brando 483 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 1: in in Desire? Was that Napoleon's mistress or wife or 484 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 1: girlfriend or whatever? Yes? Yes, wow, God, Marlon Brando, Marlin 485 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 1: Marlon Brando with Napoleon so that, you know, it was 486 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 1: fun for me sitting up there, you know, in charge 487 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,400 Speaker 1: of about three of those lamps where the guy would say, okay, 488 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: make it brighter, make it less, brighter, turn it on, 489 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: turn it off. Whatever. Then you'd watch him shoot the 490 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 1: scenes and you're watching Marlon Brando. I think it was 491 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:52,479 Speaker 1: Gene Simmons was Desiree And uh yeah, that was kind 492 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 1: of fun. When we did the musical There's No Business 493 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 1: Like Show Business. It was fun just being around you, 494 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 1: going in and setting up to the stages and stuff 495 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 1: before they did shooting a movie. Uh, all that kind 496 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: of stuff. I enjoyed it. I like I like the 497 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,120 Speaker 1: movies I haven't been for, but I have been a few. 498 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 1: But you know, with the COVID and everything. It's been tough, Jim. 499 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 1: Everything on TV anyway, Jim, Jim, speaking of TV, do 500 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: you do you ever use do you watch videos on YouTube? Yeah? Yeah, alright. 501 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 1: I bring that up because of this being an old 502 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 1: football guy myself and enjoying, uh, the years back in 503 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 1: the day when big hits like Ben had mentioned, we're allowed. 504 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 1: I always go back to your press conferences, Like there's 505 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:47,119 Speaker 1: certain head coaches you Mike Dick, John Tortorella, the New 506 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 1: York Rangers back in the day, Um, Darryl Sutter who's 507 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:52,920 Speaker 1: in the National Hockey League. They're just certain guys. And 508 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 1: you know, you get those great moments when you did 509 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 1: a good laugh and I tell you what we did? 510 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:03,680 Speaker 1: Did lee pooh? Offensive? We sucked? Is there a rat 511 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 1: that you ever go back and you look at you 512 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: to say that was an awesome moments? Awesome or awful both? 513 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 1: I guess one or the other. Yeah. Never, probably more 514 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: awful the ones you see or here, we're more awful 515 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 1: than awesome. I mean the rant I get all the time, 516 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 1: all the time walking down the street wherever I hear playoffs. 517 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 1: You know, well, I'm not gonna say it like I 518 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 1: said it then, but I get the playoffs thing, which 519 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 1: which I'm a little bit nervous it will be the 520 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 1: thing that when I die, you know, Oh yeah, he 521 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 1: was a guy that said playoffs all that kind of stuff. 522 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: I get. I get that a lot in in I 523 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 1: get guys always sending me they want me to sign 524 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: these cards, you know, and and let's they sign your 525 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: name and put playoffs on there. But anyway, that's probably 526 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 1: the one. And you know, it's not that the worst 527 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 1: thing in the world that I ever said, but and 528 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 1: it wasn't a big deal when I said it, I thought, 529 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 1: But but it it became a big deal. And uh, 530 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 1: I'd like to I go back to my press conferences. 531 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: In my mind, I go back to them, and there 532 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: were some things I should and should have done differently 533 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 1: that I regret. Yeah, no question about it. But I've 534 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 1: always been an emotional guy, and sometimes I didn't handle 535 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: those kind of moments whatever they were very well, and 536 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 1: I said some things I wished I hadn't said. Who 537 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 1: did you well? I mean that playoff thing. I remember 538 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: when when you were working at Fox. I mean, that 539 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 1: was big then and it's still all these years later, Jim, 540 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 1: it's still it's it's amazing that that has had legs 541 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 1: and people still it's Internet memes, and I mean, you 542 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 1: are I don't know if you're on social media or not, 543 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 1: but you're all over that and I'm not on social media. 544 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 1: I don't do that. Don't do it. Okay. I walked 545 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 1: down the street, not all the time now, but some 546 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 1: and I see some guy. Say, I'm knocking down the 547 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 1: street somewhere, and this guy passes me and he kind 548 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 1: of looks at me, and he kind of looks like 549 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 1: he recognizes me, and then say, I hear about ten 550 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 1: paces past me, and I heard the him say playoffs, 551 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 1: you know, and that kind of stuff. Or a little 552 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: kid might come up to me and asked me to 553 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 1: autograph something to put playoffs, which I don't mind doing that, 554 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: but sometimes it kind of depends what kind of mood 555 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 1: I'm in. A said, whether I'm going to respond to 556 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 1: request for an autograph and say playoffs or not, I 557 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 1: don't know. It kind of depends, but but it is 558 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 1: what it is, you know. And when I said it, 559 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 1: I didn't think it was that big a deal. I mean, 560 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 1: some guy asked me about, well, how does this was 561 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 1: my last year with the Colts and he says. It 562 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 1: was after a game, and it was towards the end 563 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 1: of the season and we were going to make the playoffs, 564 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 1: and some guys that we just lost the game, and 565 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 1: some media guys says, well, hey, coach, well what does 566 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 1: this loss due to your chances of making the playoffs? 567 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 1: And that's when I responded, I said, you know, are 568 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 1: you I said, are you kidding me? Playoffs? I mean, 569 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 1: we're just trying to win a game, and that's all 570 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 1: I said. And I think it was the game against 571 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 1: the forty Niners. Yeah, I think it might have been 572 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 1: the game against I think my son Jim was a 573 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator of the forty Irons and they kicked our button. Yeah, 574 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 1: I think it was a home game. It might have been. 575 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 1: I think Pete Manning. I think three picks three picks 576 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 1: in that ball game. So um, well, I mean you 577 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 1: mentioned some of the things that you regret. What did 578 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 1: you regret inside the locked room with the media guys? 579 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: A lot a lot of that stuff I I was not. 580 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 1: I mean in New Orleans, I I had a problem 581 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 1: with one of the guys, and you know that kind 582 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 1: of lasted for a few years that I didn't appreciate, 583 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 1: but I didn't always blame me. I would blame him 584 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 1: for some of the questions and things he said and 585 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 1: things he asked me. But but and I I some 586 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 1: of the media guys that I that I got to know, 587 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 1: I still I still talked to occasionally or get a 588 00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:00,479 Speaker 1: text from or text them back or something. I was in. UH. 589 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 1: I was in New Orleans a couple of weeks ago, 590 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 1: and and and Brian Allie Walsh who was a sports 591 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 1: guy writer for for the Time, Stick of You, and 592 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 1: when I was there, he and I got together for 593 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 1: a cup of coffee down in downtown New Orleans, sat 594 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 1: there for two or three hours and talked. UH and 595 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,520 Speaker 1: so most of these guys, I have a great respect 596 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: for the media, especially since I was in the media 597 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 1: after coaching. I know what they go through. But I 598 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 1: felt like some of the things we're not fair, which 599 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 1: is no big deal. And UH, I probably overreacted to 600 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,720 Speaker 1: some of the questions I was asked or things like that. 601 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 1: And it was usually you know, after a game and 602 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 1: an emotional situation, things like that. But I I was 603 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 1: I was probably I know I was wrong at times. 604 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 1: Last question, I know we've kept it longer than we 605 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 1: said we were. I don't have no, no, I want to. 606 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 1: I would ask you, like, what is the secret you 607 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 1: are as as sharp you're You're in your eighties, now, 608 00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 1: what is the secret to staying as sharp as you are? No? Seriously, 609 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 1: you sound you sound it's insane. You don't sound your age, 610 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 1: And what is the secret, Jim, I don't look my 611 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 1: age either, And I'll brag about that, Okay, full ball 612 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 1: if my dad died at ninety three. So I think 613 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 1: jeans plays a part in it. I will say I 614 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 1: keep myself physically in good shape. I have a trainer 615 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 1: now this, and I've you know, when you're coaching here, 616 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,720 Speaker 1: always around the weight rooms and things like that, so 617 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 1: you always had a chance to, you know, work out. 618 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 1: So I'm not all coaches do it, but but I 619 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 1: would take advantage of it as best I could, especially 620 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 1: during the off season. And and since I stopped coaching, 621 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 1: I've always I work out and I go to a 622 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 1: trainer twice a week for an hour twice a week 623 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 1: of really a tough hour of everything, body works, strange, cardio, 624 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 1: the whole thing. I got a peloton in my house 625 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 1: and I'll hop on for thirty to forty five minutes 626 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 1: four times a week, five three or four times a week, 627 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 1: and you know, push ups and stuff like so I 628 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 1: keep myself in shape. I don't eat a bunch of junk. 629 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 1: I have a little bit I could. I have a 630 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 1: little bit of a high sugar problem, so I lay 631 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 1: off the sweet stuff. And uh, I don't know, you know, 632 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,839 Speaker 1: just be being lucky. I haven't had any major uh 633 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:25,880 Speaker 1: uh illnesses or thing. I've had a couple of cancer problems, 634 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 1: but not not fatally type kind. But I've been lucky. 635 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 1: But I try to take care of myself. But I 636 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:34,840 Speaker 1: think a lot of it is just look, I got 637 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:36,440 Speaker 1: to tell you something of that, and I hate to 638 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,840 Speaker 1: even say that. In the last couple of years, I 639 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 1: have lost more long time friends, associates, coaching friends, players, 640 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 1: things like that, and it just drives me crazy that 641 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 1: these I mean, I couldn't put the number on both 642 00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 1: hands of both hands twice of guys that have died, 643 00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,799 Speaker 1: that good friends of mine, really good friends of mine, 644 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 1: and that former coaches, the guys I coached with, players, 645 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,719 Speaker 1: everything in the last couple of years. So I know 646 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 1: I'm getting older when all of this is happening, and 647 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 1: I don't like it. It bothers me, it depresses me. Yeah, 648 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,960 Speaker 1: well you sound great, Jim, you look great. And as 649 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 1: my my grandfather said, tell me, getting old ain't for wims, right, 650 00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,239 Speaker 1: and you're you're living that's right. Yeah, but you're doing 651 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 1: a great job. What I fight it, I ain't gonna 652 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,560 Speaker 1: lose to it good. I'm I'm not gonna be like Listen, guys, 653 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 1: I was sitting in a restaurant the other day and 654 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 1: this guy was sitting next to me, and then he 655 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,400 Speaker 1: recognized me, and he says, oh, that's old guys, you know. 656 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 1: And I said well, and I said, well, I said, 657 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,840 Speaker 1: I bet I'm older than you. He looks he looks 658 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,440 Speaker 1: a hell or I look and I said, I'll bet 659 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 1: i'm old. You don't look like I said, yeah, I said, 660 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,200 Speaker 1: how old are you? He's a seventy three And I said, well, 661 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,440 Speaker 1: I'm made six. I know I looked better than him. 662 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:54,880 Speaker 1: You know, you you do. I mean, I remember, like 663 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 1: I said, I gotta wrap this up. And when when 664 00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,840 Speaker 1: you worked at Fox Sports Radio, you even back in 665 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:00,839 Speaker 1: the end, you you were like, look, you always look 666 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,319 Speaker 1: at twenty at least twenty years younger than you actually are. 667 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,920 Speaker 1: So you're you're doing great, Jim. Thank you all right, 668 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,319 Speaker 1: I want to have you on again. You're wonderful. I'll 669 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,359 Speaker 1: tell Tom and all the guys there's a few guys 670 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,879 Speaker 1: left at Fox Sports Radio from when you were there, 671 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:15,520 Speaker 1: so I will pass it on to all the guys 672 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,439 Speaker 1: that are still hanging out and good luck, good health, 673 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:20,959 Speaker 1: and uh well, I love you and we're big fans. 674 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,480 Speaker 1: Thank you, Jim. Okay, great talking to you. Guys. Have 675 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:24,040 Speaker 1: a good day.