Speaker 1: If you're tuned into Heat Check with Triste Quick. On
Speaker 1: this episode of the Heat Check, Oh Boy, Atlanta, things
Speaker 1: are getting hot. It's hot and so hot in her
Speaker 1: They like, this is really hot in Atlanta. Hot Atlanta
Speaker 1: to an all new meaning. Things happening with Trey Young.
Speaker 1: We talk about him potentially being on here straight what.
Speaker 1: We also talk about what in the hell is happening
Speaker 1: with Chris Middleton.
Speaker 2: I haven't seen him in ages.
Speaker 1: I think he's only played seven games out of the
Speaker 1: first forty one.
Speaker 2: I tell you what.
Speaker 1: That's not good considering how things ended up with Boston
Speaker 1: and Milwaukee. We also talk about one of the best
Speaker 1: guys in the NBA and Drew Holliday one of the
Speaker 1: weirdest suspensions I've ever seen. And we also break down
Speaker 1: a new mixtape release from an NBA rapper not named
Speaker 1: Damian Lillard. I have to talk about not a lot
Speaker 1: of big pieces, a lot of fluff pieces, but they're fun,
Speaker 1: So let's get into it. Nick drop that generic gasbeat.
Speaker 1: What the fuck is going on in Atlanta?
Speaker 2: What is happening? It just keeps getting weirder and weirder
Speaker 2: by the moment.
Speaker 1: The latest news is our guy Tray Young, Ice Tray
Speaker 1: Ice Tray could be on the move in Atlanta. Say
Speaker 1: it ain't so, Say it ain't so. A year ago
Speaker 1: this would have been something unspeakable, unthinkable. Maybe even a
Speaker 1: month ago, people wouldn't have believed it. Even in this
Speaker 1: offseason when they traded for Johntay Murray, no one seriously
Speaker 1: thought de Jontay Murray meant anything in regards to Trey
Speaker 1: Young going anywhere. Life comes at you fast. Life comes
Speaker 1: at you fast. So then what happened? Four things happened. First, well,
Speaker 1: Trey Young has been beefing with everyone, so he gets
Speaker 1: into it with Nate McMillan, Nate McMillan, the head coach,
Speaker 1: and things that.
Speaker 2: Turned so toxic.
Speaker 1: Nate McMillan may retire, may resign, who knows, might take
Speaker 1: a paycheck just to go somewhere else.
Speaker 2: So disgusted with Tree Young.
Speaker 1: We've discussed this at nauseum, but let me remind you,
Speaker 1: Nate never thought he was gonna coach again, after coaching
Speaker 1: in Indiana and leading his team to mediocrity like six
Speaker 1: years in a row, after leading Portland to mediocrity many
Speaker 1: years in a row. The only reason that he got
Speaker 1: his job is because Trey Young got the last coach fired. Remember, uh,
Speaker 1: my man, Lloyd Pierce went on paternity leave and Atlanta
Speaker 1: was better.
Speaker 2: When he was on paternity leave than when he was
Speaker 2: actually coaching.
Speaker 1: So he got jettison and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: Nate McMillan makes this historic run which was largely predicated
Speaker 1: on Ben Simmons being awful, and you know, they had
Speaker 1: to do what they had to do, which was re
Speaker 1: signed guys for no damn reason. Second, the GM, they
Speaker 1: gave him a massive extension. Travis Slink, who has been
Speaker 1: a huge supporter of Trey, who made the deal in
Speaker 1: order to trade Lukadancic for Trey Young for a song
Speaker 1: who a lot of people eighteen months ago thought maybe
Speaker 1: GM of the Year is out, not out last offseason,
Speaker 1: out right now out in the middle of the year.
Speaker 2: And that means the team.
Speaker 1: That he put together by literally throwing tons and tons
Speaker 1: of money at guys who took them to the Eastern
Speaker 1: Conference Finals that he really never really wanted on a
Speaker 1: team to begin with aka Jhon Collins. Also Clint Capella,
Speaker 1: uh are all here and he is not here. And
Speaker 1: then he mortgages the future all their draft picks by
Speaker 1: three of them by trading for de Jonte Murray and yeah.
Speaker 2: That guy, that guy, that guy. Oh he did, oh
Speaker 2: he did, he's gone now he's gone.
Speaker 1: Three. The Hawks are at the halfway mark, under five
Speaker 1: hundred again for those third year in a row. That's
Speaker 1: where they were before they went on that historic run too,
Speaker 1: three years in a row. That the Hawks are barely
Speaker 1: the plan. They're barely clinging on. Atlanta probably one of
Speaker 1: the most disappointing teams in the NBA. And that's hard
Speaker 1: to do considering that there is not a lot of
Speaker 1: expectation for Atlanta, considering that they were a train.
Speaker 2: Wreck last year. And finally, Trey's been awful, awful? How bad?
Speaker 2: How bad is he?
Speaker 1: Thirty one percent from three career worst, bottom ten percent
Speaker 1: for all high volume shooters.
Speaker 2: We talked about this as well. He's shooting over all
Speaker 2: forty three percent for the year. He's averaging twenty seven
Speaker 2: and a half in ten per game.
Speaker 1: But listen, it's ugly, it's real ugly, and the team's
Speaker 1: not winning when he goes off.
Speaker 2: This is not rocket science.
Speaker 1: Right, This is a disaster. This is a team, this
Speaker 1: franchise is in shambles. A star player who's locked down
Speaker 1: to a max contract on a team that fired its
Speaker 1: GM in the middle of December, with other front office
Speaker 1: members who have also been jettisoned. I cannot express as
Speaker 1: a side note how an orthodox it is for an
Speaker 1: entire team to clean house of its GM and all
Speaker 1: of the front office members in the middle of the year,
Speaker 1: in the middle of the year, in December. That never happens,
Speaker 1: and it's just happening, and no one's saying a peep
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 2: He's like, Yeah, I'm just gonna.
Speaker 1: Spend more time with my family, I'm gonna collect the check,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do some consulting, which means he's not doing
Speaker 1: a damn thing and he's just getting paid. And then
Speaker 1: you've got the coach beefing with the star player who's
Speaker 1: on a max deal who's basically locked down through twenty
Speaker 1: twenty seven on a team he does not get along
Speaker 1: with his teammates or his coach, specifically John Collins. What
Speaker 1: is that?
Speaker 2: What is that ar recipe for get me the fuck
Speaker 2: out of here.
Speaker 1: The latest news is that no team right now is
Speaker 1: more active than the Atlanta Hawk in terms of just
Speaker 1: moving everyone everyone they've been in the past twenty four
Speaker 1: hours alone, linked to a John Collins to Utah for
Speaker 1: Malik Beasley and Jared Vanderbilt okay, as well as a
Speaker 1: trade to the Pistons for Boyon Bogdanovich. They already have
Speaker 1: Bogdon Bogdanovic, and uh, you can't have to Bogdanovich, as folks,
Speaker 1: you can't.
Speaker 2: It's impossible. This is against the rules. I think.
Speaker 1: I think it's page seven, paragraph four in the NBA
Speaker 1: rule book. You can only have one Bogdanovic. And on
Speaker 1: top of that, furthermore, you can't have a bogged On
Speaker 1: and a boy On Bogdanovich on the team. It's too
Speaker 1: confusing for them, it's too confusing for us, it's too
Speaker 1: confusing for the teammates.
Speaker 2: It's a no go. So if you get Boyon, you
Speaker 2: gotta trade bogged On. You just have to.
Speaker 1: No surree, Bob, It's not my job get rid of
Speaker 1: one of the Bogdon's.
Speaker 2: That's what it is.
Speaker 1: So yeah, take all of the drama surrounding Trey and
Speaker 1: Nate jam gone verge of some changes. Signed Derek Favors
Speaker 1: to attend Day about as desperate as signing Kemba Walker
Speaker 1: to attend day and that is where we're at, and
Speaker 1: the heart of this is Trey Young. Of course, Trey
Speaker 1: Young and Dejonte Murray were supposed to be the back
Speaker 1: court of the future. People said they were going to
Speaker 1: be a top three backcourt in the league. They are
Speaker 1: a top nothing backcourt in the league. And they've mortgaged
Speaker 1: their future for Dejontay and they got worse, not better.
Speaker 1: So it's not a shock that this week for the
Speaker 1: first time, but I can recall multiple articles have emerged
Speaker 1: discussing a Trey Young trade. Chris Aynes said this about
Speaker 1: a possible trade, asking for Trey Young to be traded.
Speaker 1: The Hawks have been up and down, mainly down this year,
Speaker 1: and you know, there's been some turmoil that's been going
Speaker 1: on in the locker room, and this is something that's been.
Speaker 2: Going on for a while, nothing new.
Speaker 1: I think you can get the sense and feel that
Speaker 1: it's reaching a boiling point here and if something is
Speaker 1: going to have to break, and I don't know what
Speaker 1: that is. You see the front office making unconventional moves
Speaker 1: at the midway point this season.
Speaker 2: Front office making unconventional moves.
Speaker 1: He got moved the front office where it wasn't making
Speaker 1: any moves.
Speaker 2: They literally just move the queen off the board.
Speaker 1: You never this, He goes on to say, you never
Speaker 1: see the head of basketball operations step down in December, No,
Speaker 1: you don't. Landry Fields is now running the show over
Speaker 1: there as GM, and they let go of some of
Speaker 1: the front office personnel that.
Speaker 2: Came in with Travis.
Speaker 1: So there are things that are going on. These senses
Speaker 1: are awesome, but it's all going to depend how this
Speaker 1: season ultimately fares.
Speaker 2: We know how it's gonna fair. You think it's gonna.
Speaker 1: Just turn around out of nowhere for no reason. Like
Speaker 1: the pieces are the same. The GMS is, the head
Speaker 1: coach is the same, Trey Young is the same. Sam
Speaker 1: Quinn a CBS thinks Trey Young to Miami is the
Speaker 1: is the move as a replacement for Kyle Lowry as
Speaker 1: the best fit.
Speaker 2: That's interesting. This is what he said.
Speaker 1: Young could be their primary ball handler of the future.
Speaker 1: The theoretical fit, I love it. The theoretical fit with
Speaker 1: bam at a Bio is nearly perfect. Young has played
Speaker 1: almost exclusively with lob Threats at center. At a Bio's
Speaker 1: basketball IQ screening and passing makes him arguably the third
Speaker 1: best dribble handoff partner for a stargar in basketball.
Speaker 2: That sort of.
Speaker 1: Dance partner could expand Young's horizons in the pick and
Speaker 1: roll at a Bio is a sort of defender you
Speaker 1: need to cover for Young's shortcomings. This is the shadiest
Speaker 1: paragraph low key I have ever heard one expand Trey
Speaker 1: Young's horizons.
Speaker 2: That just means he's first.
Speaker 1: Option, second option, third option to score, fourth option to lob.
Speaker 1: They're like, maybe bam Adebio could teach this old dog
Speaker 1: some new tricks. And also maybe bam Adebayo could cover
Speaker 1: up for the fact that Trey Young doesn't defend.
Speaker 2: Also, here's another shady thing that he's about to say.
Speaker 1: Heat culture would squeeze out every last meager drop of
Speaker 1: defensive potential he has. We gotta get Sam Quinn on
Speaker 1: this podcast. This man, this man's just like Brian Windhorst
Speaker 1: in terms of saying things that are straight facts in
Speaker 1: a way that like the real ones know, is shady
Speaker 1: as fuck. I mean, on paper, this looks like a
Speaker 1: perfect match for all the reasons that Sam Quinn had
Speaker 1: to say.
Speaker 2: But Sam Quinn also knows the heat culture.
Speaker 1: Heat culture can grind you down to dust figure out
Speaker 1: what it did to my man, Andre Iguidala. Andrea Guidal
Speaker 1: wouldn't even buy a home. He literally rented an apartment
Speaker 1: right outside the practice facility because he knew he could
Speaker 1: be gone at any moment if he didn't do what.
Speaker 2: They had to say.
Speaker 1: You think Trey Young is going to play like Army
Speaker 1: Soldier to heat Culture and pat Riley just do whatever
Speaker 1: Eric Spolster has to say? Or do you think he's
Speaker 1: gonna be like Dwayne Deadman and throw a fucking massage
Speaker 1: trigger gun down in the middle of the court if
Speaker 1: he doesn't get what he wants, which we'll get to
Speaker 1: in a second. Everyone keeps saying that we need to
Speaker 1: see how Hawk season turns out. But we know what's up, right,
Speaker 1: we know what's up.
Speaker 2: We're halfway through the season. How is this gonna change?
Speaker 1: How are we just gonna see the Hawks go on
Speaker 1: like a ten game winning streak?
Speaker 2: Are we is? Do they have a Kyrie Irving I
Speaker 2: didn't know about. It's suspended?
Speaker 1: No, No, like Dejontay Murray is going down, Trey Young
Speaker 1: going down. John Collins wants to be moved. Clint Capella
Speaker 1: has been injured. How is this gonna work. Oh yes,
Speaker 1: boy on Bogdanovich, that's what's gonna save them. If the
Speaker 1: coach resigned today, nobody would blink an eye, right like nobody,
Speaker 1: nobody would even I don't even know who the assistant
Speaker 1: is there, but I'd like to know.
Speaker 2: I'd like to know who would be taking over. And
Speaker 2: the issue I think is even worse than it probably
Speaker 2: appears on first glance.
Speaker 1: Because why because you trade three first round picks for
Speaker 1: de Jontay Murray and he's not under team control. What? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so Deconte is a free agent next year and their
Speaker 1: draft capital is awful.
Speaker 2: This is what they're looking at. Twenty twenty three, Well,
Speaker 2: I've got.
Speaker 1: Some stuff going on there that's very hard to explain,
Speaker 1: A complicated pick protection thing with the Knicks, probably gonna
Speaker 1: convey to the Knicks. Twenty twenty four, they have the
Speaker 1: King's first rounder from the Herder deal, which is worse
Speaker 1: than probably their first rounder, let's be honest, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be worse. Twenty twenty five, they traded that to the Spurs.
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty six. The Spurs have the option for a
Speaker 1: pick swap, so you'll either keep your own or you'll
Speaker 1: get the Spurs. Depending on which one is worse, you
Speaker 1: will get the worse one. Twenty twenty seven, you traded
Speaker 1: that first round.
Speaker 2: Pick to the Spurs.
Speaker 1: So for the next checks notes five years, you have
Speaker 1: one first round pick that is somewhat mediocre, not great,
Speaker 1: not ideal for a team that's looking to rebuild. So,
Speaker 1: no wonder they're asking for first round picks for John Collins.
Speaker 1: No wonder they're open to trading Trey Young. You could
Speaker 1: probably get four, five, four first round picks for Trey Young.
Speaker 1: God bless whatever team ends up doing that deal. Promise
Speaker 1: you won't be.
Speaker 2: The heat though. If it's the heat they're.
Speaker 1: Giving you, Duncan Robinson and they're giving you two first
Speaker 1: round picks, and they're giving.
Speaker 2: You Kyle Lowry.
Speaker 1: Kyle Lowry to the Hawks, that's what it would be
Speaker 1: to make the salaries match. You're gonna get a broken,
Speaker 1: busted down Kyle Lowry. And Kyle Lowry's gonna get fat
Speaker 1: in Atlanta. He's gonna go to fucking Magic City. He's
Speaker 1: not gonna have any more body fat test because he's
Speaker 1: not in Miami anymore.
Speaker 2: I tell you what it's.
Speaker 1: You're gonna get two first round picks, from Miami not
Speaker 1: not ideal. The Hawks at the halfway point are a mess.
Speaker 1: Whether Trey ends up taking the disappointment elsewhere starting a
Speaker 1: new path remains to be seen. But I tell you
Speaker 1: what is a very Viscligu moment that I cannot wait
Speaker 1: to follow until it ends up turning into a new
Speaker 1: drama and a new circus wherever Tray goes next, If
Speaker 1: Tray goes somewhere next,