WEBVTT - Trae Young On The Trade Block

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<v Speaker 1>If you're tuned into Heat Check with Triste Quick. On

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<v Speaker 1>this episode of the Heat Check, Oh Boy, Atlanta, things

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<v Speaker 1>are getting hot. It's hot and so hot in her

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<v Speaker 1>They like, this is really hot in Atlanta. Hot Atlanta

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<v Speaker 1>to an all new meaning. Things happening with Trey Young.

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<v Speaker 1>We talk about him potentially being on here straight what.

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<v Speaker 1>We also talk about what in the hell is happening

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<v Speaker 1>with Chris Middleton.

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't seen him in ages.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he's only played seven games out of the

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<v Speaker 1>first forty one.

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<v Speaker 2>I tell you what.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not good considering how things ended up with Boston

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<v Speaker 1>and Milwaukee. We also talk about one of the best

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<v Speaker 1>guys in the NBA and Drew Holliday one of the

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<v Speaker 1>weirdest suspensions I've ever seen. And we also break down

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<v Speaker 1>a new mixtape release from an NBA rapper not named

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<v Speaker 1>Damian Lillard. I have to talk about not a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of big pieces, a lot of fluff pieces, but they're fun,

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<v Speaker 1>So let's get into it. Nick drop that generic gasbeat.

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<v Speaker 1>What the fuck is going on in Atlanta?

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<v Speaker 2>What is happening? It just keeps getting weirder and weirder

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<v Speaker 2>by the moment.

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<v Speaker 1>The latest news is our guy Tray Young, Ice Tray

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<v Speaker 1>Ice Tray could be on the move in Atlanta. Say

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<v Speaker 1>it ain't so, Say it ain't so. A year ago

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<v Speaker 1>this would have been something unspeakable, unthinkable. Maybe even a

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<v Speaker 1>month ago, people wouldn't have believed it. Even in this

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<v Speaker 1>offseason when they traded for Johntay Murray, no one seriously

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<v Speaker 1>thought de Jontay Murray meant anything in regards to Trey

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<v Speaker 1>Young going anywhere. Life comes at you fast. Life comes

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<v Speaker 1>at you fast. So then what happened? Four things happened. First, well,

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<v Speaker 1>Trey Young has been beefing with everyone, so he gets

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<v Speaker 1>into it with Nate McMillan, Nate McMillan, the head coach,

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<v Speaker 1>and things that.

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<v Speaker 2>Turned so toxic.

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<v Speaker 1>Nate McMillan may retire, may resign, who knows, might take

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<v Speaker 1>a paycheck just to go somewhere else.

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<v Speaker 2>So disgusted with Tree Young.

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<v Speaker 1>We've discussed this at nauseum, but let me remind you,

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<v Speaker 1>Nate never thought he was gonna coach again, after coaching

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<v Speaker 1>in Indiana and leading his team to mediocrity like six

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<v Speaker 1>years in a row, after leading Portland to mediocrity many

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<v Speaker 1>years in a row. The only reason that he got

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<v Speaker 1>his job is because Trey Young got the last coach fired. Remember, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>my man, Lloyd Pierce went on paternity leave and Atlanta

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<v Speaker 1>was better.

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<v Speaker 2>When he was on paternity leave than when he was

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<v Speaker 2>actually coaching.

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<v Speaker 1>So he got jettison and then all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 1>Nate McMillan makes this historic run which was largely predicated

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<v Speaker 1>on Ben Simmons being awful, and you know, they had

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<v Speaker 1>to do what they had to do, which was re

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<v Speaker 1>signed guys for no damn reason. Second, the GM, they

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<v Speaker 1>gave him a massive extension. Travis Slink, who has been

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<v Speaker 1>a huge supporter of Trey, who made the deal in

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<v Speaker 1>order to trade Lukadancic for Trey Young for a song

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<v Speaker 1>who a lot of people eighteen months ago thought maybe

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<v Speaker 1>GM of the Year is out, not out last offseason,

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<v Speaker 1>out right now out in the middle of the year.

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<v Speaker 2>And that means the team.

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<v Speaker 1>That he put together by literally throwing tons and tons

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<v Speaker 1>of money at guys who took them to the Eastern

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<v Speaker 1>Conference Finals that he really never really wanted on a

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<v Speaker 1>team to begin with aka Jhon Collins. Also Clint Capella,

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<v Speaker 1>uh are all here and he is not here. And

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<v Speaker 1>then he mortgages the future all their draft picks by

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<v Speaker 1>three of them by trading for de Jonte Murray and yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>That guy, that guy, that guy. Oh he did, oh

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<v Speaker 2>he did, he's gone now he's gone.

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<v Speaker 1>Three. The Hawks are at the halfway mark, under five

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<v Speaker 1>hundred again for those third year in a row. That's

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<v Speaker 1>where they were before they went on that historic run too,

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<v Speaker 1>three years in a row. That the Hawks are barely

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<v Speaker 1>the plan. They're barely clinging on. Atlanta probably one of

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<v Speaker 1>the most disappointing teams in the NBA. And that's hard

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<v Speaker 1>to do considering that there is not a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>expectation for Atlanta, considering that they were a train.

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<v Speaker 2>Wreck last year. And finally, Trey's been awful, awful? How bad?

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<v Speaker 2>How bad is he?

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<v Speaker 1>Thirty one percent from three career worst, bottom ten percent

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<v Speaker 1>for all high volume shooters.

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<v Speaker 2>We talked about this as well. He's shooting over all

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<v Speaker 2>forty three percent for the year. He's averaging twenty seven

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<v Speaker 2>and a half in ten per game.

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<v Speaker 1>But listen, it's ugly, it's real ugly, and the team's

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<v Speaker 1>not winning when he goes off.

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<v Speaker 2>This is not rocket science.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, This is a disaster. This is a team, this

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<v Speaker 1>franchise is in shambles. A star player who's locked down

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<v Speaker 1>to a max contract on a team that fired its

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<v Speaker 1>GM in the middle of December, with other front office

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<v Speaker 1>members who have also been jettisoned. I cannot express as

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<v Speaker 1>a side note how an orthodox it is for an

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<v Speaker 1>entire team to clean house of its GM and all

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<v Speaker 1>of the front office members in the middle of the year,

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of the year, in December. That never happens,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's just happening, and no one's saying a peep

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<v Speaker 1>about it.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, Yeah, I'm just gonna.

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<v Speaker 1>Spend more time with my family, I'm gonna collect the check,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna do some consulting, which means he's not doing

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<v Speaker 1>a damn thing and he's just getting paid. And then

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<v Speaker 1>you've got the coach beefing with the star player who's

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<v Speaker 1>on a max deal who's basically locked down through twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty seven on a team he does not get along

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<v Speaker 1>with his teammates or his coach, specifically John Collins. What

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<v Speaker 1>is that?

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<v Speaker 2>What is that ar recipe for get me the fuck

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<v Speaker 2>out of here.

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<v Speaker 1>The latest news is that no team right now is

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<v Speaker 1>more active than the Atlanta Hawk in terms of just

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<v Speaker 1>moving everyone everyone they've been in the past twenty four

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<v Speaker 1>hours alone, linked to a John Collins to Utah for

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<v Speaker 1>Malik Beasley and Jared Vanderbilt okay, as well as a

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<v Speaker 1>trade to the Pistons for Boyon Bogdanovich. They already have

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<v Speaker 1>Bogdon Bogdanovic, and uh, you can't have to Bogdanovich, as folks,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't.

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<v Speaker 2>It's impossible. This is against the rules. I think.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's page seven, paragraph four in the NBA

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<v Speaker 1>rule book. You can only have one Bogdanovic. And on

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<v Speaker 1>top of that, furthermore, you can't have a bogged On

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<v Speaker 1>and a boy On Bogdanovich on the team. It's too

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<v Speaker 1>confusing for them, it's too confusing for us, it's too

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<v Speaker 1>confusing for the teammates.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a no go. So if you get Boyon, you

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<v Speaker 2>gotta trade bogged On. You just have to.

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<v Speaker 1>No surree, Bob, It's not my job get rid of

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<v Speaker 1>one of the Bogdon's.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what it is.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, take all of the drama surrounding Trey and

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<v Speaker 1>Nate jam gone verge of some changes. Signed Derek Favors

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<v Speaker 1>to attend Day about as desperate as signing Kemba Walker

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<v Speaker 1>to attend day and that is where we're at, and

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<v Speaker 1>the heart of this is Trey Young. Of course, Trey

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<v Speaker 1>Young and Dejonte Murray were supposed to be the back

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<v Speaker 1>court of the future. People said they were going to

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<v Speaker 1>be a top three backcourt in the league. They are

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<v Speaker 1>a top nothing backcourt in the league. And they've mortgaged

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<v Speaker 1>their future for Dejontay and they got worse, not better.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's not a shock that this week for the

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<v Speaker 1>first time, but I can recall multiple articles have emerged

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<v Speaker 1>discussing a Trey Young trade. Chris Aynes said this about

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<v Speaker 1>a possible trade, asking for Trey Young to be traded.

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<v Speaker 1>The Hawks have been up and down, mainly down this year,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, there's been some turmoil that's been going

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<v Speaker 1>on in the locker room, and this is something that's been.

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<v Speaker 2>Going on for a while, nothing new.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you can get the sense and feel that

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<v Speaker 1>it's reaching a boiling point here and if something is

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<v Speaker 1>going to have to break, and I don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>that is. You see the front office making unconventional moves

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<v Speaker 1>at the midway point this season.

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<v Speaker 2>Front office making unconventional moves.

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<v Speaker 1>He got moved the front office where it wasn't making

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<v Speaker 1>any moves.

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<v Speaker 2>They literally just move the queen off the board.

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<v Speaker 1>You never this, He goes on to say, you never

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<v Speaker 1>see the head of basketball operations step down in December, No,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't. Landry Fields is now running the show over

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<v Speaker 1>there as GM, and they let go of some of

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<v Speaker 1>the front office personnel that.

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<v Speaker 2>Came in with Travis.

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<v Speaker 1>So there are things that are going on. These senses

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<v Speaker 1>are awesome, but it's all going to depend how this

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<v Speaker 1>season ultimately fares.

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<v Speaker 2>We know how it's gonna fair. You think it's gonna.

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<v Speaker 1>Just turn around out of nowhere for no reason. Like

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<v Speaker 1>the pieces are the same. The GMS is, the head

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<v Speaker 1>coach is the same, Trey Young is the same. Sam

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<v Speaker 1>Quinn a CBS thinks Trey Young to Miami is the

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<v Speaker 1>is the move as a replacement for Kyle Lowry as

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<v Speaker 1>the best fit.

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<v Speaker 2>That's interesting. This is what he said.

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<v Speaker 1>Young could be their primary ball handler of the future.

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<v Speaker 1>The theoretical fit, I love it. The theoretical fit with

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<v Speaker 1>bam at a Bio is nearly perfect. Young has played

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<v Speaker 1>almost exclusively with lob Threats at center. At a Bio's

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<v Speaker 1>basketball IQ screening and passing makes him arguably the third

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<v Speaker 1>best dribble handoff partner for a stargar in basketball.

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<v Speaker 2>That sort of.

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<v Speaker 1>Dance partner could expand Young's horizons in the pick and

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<v Speaker 1>roll at a Bio is a sort of defender you

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<v Speaker 1>need to cover for Young's shortcomings. This is the shadiest

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<v Speaker 1>paragraph low key I have ever heard one expand Trey

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<v Speaker 1>Young's horizons.

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<v Speaker 2>That just means he's first.

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<v Speaker 1>Option, second option, third option to score, fourth option to lob.

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<v Speaker 1>They're like, maybe bam Adebio could teach this old dog

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<v Speaker 1>some new tricks. And also maybe bam Adebayo could cover

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<v Speaker 1>up for the fact that Trey Young doesn't defend.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, here's another shady thing that he's about to say.

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<v Speaker 1>Heat culture would squeeze out every last meager drop of

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<v Speaker 1>defensive potential he has. We gotta get Sam Quinn on

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast. This man, this man's just like Brian Windhorst

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of saying things that are straight facts in

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<v Speaker 1>a way that like the real ones know, is shady

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<v Speaker 1>as fuck. I mean, on paper, this looks like a

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<v Speaker 1>perfect match for all the reasons that Sam Quinn had

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<v Speaker 1>to say.

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<v Speaker 2>But Sam Quinn also knows the heat culture.

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<v Speaker 1>Heat culture can grind you down to dust figure out

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<v Speaker 1>what it did to my man, Andre Iguidala. Andrea Guidal

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't even buy a home. He literally rented an apartment

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<v Speaker 1>right outside the practice facility because he knew he could

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<v Speaker 1>be gone at any moment if he didn't do what.

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<v Speaker 2>They had to say.

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<v Speaker 1>You think Trey Young is going to play like Army

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<v Speaker 1>Soldier to heat Culture and pat Riley just do whatever

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<v Speaker 1>Eric Spolster has to say? Or do you think he's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be like Dwayne Deadman and throw a fucking massage

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<v Speaker 1>trigger gun down in the middle of the court if

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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't get what he wants, which we'll get to

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<v Speaker 1>in a second. Everyone keeps saying that we need to

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<v Speaker 1>see how Hawk season turns out. But we know what's up, right,

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<v Speaker 1>we know what's up.

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<v Speaker 2>We're halfway through the season. How is this gonna change?

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<v Speaker 1>How are we just gonna see the Hawks go on

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<v Speaker 1>like a ten game winning streak?

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<v Speaker 2>Are we is? Do they have a Kyrie Irving I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know about. It's suspended?

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<v Speaker 1>No, No, like Dejontay Murray is going down, Trey Young

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<v Speaker 1>going down. John Collins wants to be moved. Clint Capella

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<v Speaker 1>has been injured. How is this gonna work. Oh yes,

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<v Speaker 1>boy on Bogdanovich, that's what's gonna save them. If the

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<v Speaker 1>coach resigned today, nobody would blink an eye, right like nobody,

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<v Speaker 1>nobody would even I don't even know who the assistant

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<v Speaker 1>is there, but I'd like to know.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd like to know who would be taking over. And

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<v Speaker 2>the issue I think is even worse than it probably

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<v Speaker 2>appears on first glance.

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<v Speaker 1>Because why because you trade three first round picks for

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<v Speaker 1>de Jontay Murray and he's not under team control. What? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so Deconte is a free agent next year and their

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<v Speaker 1>draft capital is awful.

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<v Speaker 2>This is what they're looking at. Twenty twenty three, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I've got.

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<v Speaker 1>Some stuff going on there that's very hard to explain,

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<v Speaker 1>A complicated pick protection thing with the Knicks, probably gonna

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<v Speaker 1>convey to the Knicks. Twenty twenty four, they have the

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<v Speaker 1>King's first rounder from the Herder deal, which is worse

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<v Speaker 1>than probably their first rounder, let's be honest, it's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be worse. Twenty twenty five, they traded that to the Spurs.

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<v Speaker 1>Twenty twenty six. The Spurs have the option for a

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<v Speaker 1>pick swap, so you'll either keep your own or you'll

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<v Speaker 1>get the Spurs. Depending on which one is worse, you

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<v Speaker 1>will get the worse one. Twenty twenty seven, you traded

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<v Speaker 1>that first round.

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<v Speaker 2>Pick to the Spurs.

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<v Speaker 1>So for the next checks notes five years, you have

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<v Speaker 1>one first round pick that is somewhat mediocre, not great,

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<v Speaker 1>not ideal for a team that's looking to rebuild. So,

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<v Speaker 1>no wonder they're asking for first round picks for John Collins.

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<v Speaker 1>No wonder they're open to trading Trey Young. You could

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<v Speaker 1>probably get four, five, four first round picks for Trey Young.

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<v Speaker 1>God bless whatever team ends up doing that deal. Promise

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<v Speaker 1>you won't be.

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<v Speaker 2>The heat though. If it's the heat they're.

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<v Speaker 1>Giving you, Duncan Robinson and they're giving you two first

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<v Speaker 1>round picks, and they're giving.

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<v Speaker 2>You Kyle Lowry.

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<v Speaker 1>Kyle Lowry to the Hawks, that's what it would be

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<v Speaker 1>to make the salaries match. You're gonna get a broken,

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<v Speaker 1>busted down Kyle Lowry. And Kyle Lowry's gonna get fat

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<v Speaker 1>in Atlanta. He's gonna go to fucking Magic City. He's

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna have any more body fat test because he's

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<v Speaker 1>not in Miami anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>I tell you what it's.

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<v Speaker 1>You're gonna get two first round picks, from Miami not

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<v Speaker 1>not ideal. The Hawks at the halfway point are a mess.

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<v Speaker 1>Whether Trey ends up taking the disappointment elsewhere starting a

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<v Speaker 1>new path remains to be seen. But I tell you

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<v Speaker 1>what is a very Viscligu moment that I cannot wait

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<v Speaker 1>to follow until it ends up turning into a new

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<v Speaker 1>drama and a new circus wherever Tray goes next, If

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<v Speaker 1>Tray goes somewhere next,