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Speaker 1: Kimmy Werner, explain where we are. We are in Kailua

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Speaker 1: kona um in a house after three wonderful consecutive days

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Speaker 1: I'm assuming that listeners have that some listeners have the

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Speaker 1: If you say you're going to Hawaii and then people

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Speaker 1: But everyone just calls it by the Hawaiian names, except

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Speaker 1: For a minute, Kimmy, do you understand that wolves wolf management,

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Speaker 1: a caribou, lace its carcass with strick nine and then

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00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 1: use also a little balls of fat that he would

428
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: also poison and scare at them all around, and that

429
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 1: was his methodology. Yeah, the plinking away at him, it

430
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 1: was wholesale like, and asked him to how effective that was.

431
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: He was working your cotsoby one time poisoning wolves and

432
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: a guy reported that he saw a group of nine wolves.

433
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: It was like two black wolves and seven gray ones

434
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: calm off the sea ice and he's like, oh, it's interesting.

435
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: A couple days later, goes to check one of his

436
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: bait stations. There's all nine of them, two black ones

437
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: and seven gray phase laying around his bait station. Very effective,

438
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,679
Speaker 1: very effective, And I don't in any way think that

439
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 1: we need to return to that. But that was it

440
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 1: wasn't shooting at him. Doesn't say what else he's killing.

441
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: He well, there's a picture of him doing a grip

442
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: and grin with a wolverine that turned up as one

443
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: of his bait stations, So I bet you can only imagine.

444
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: So basically, the legislation here, which which is going to

445
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 1: become law in in junior July UM provides for a

446
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: lot of things that we're provided for with the intended

447
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: purpose of mitigating live scott livestock damage. UM now it's

448
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: up to the state agency to you to figure out

449
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: how to implement this program that that's been handed to them.

450
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 1: And the scary thing to me, and this is I'm

451
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: not like trying to fearmonger here is uh before you

452
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: get into the scary part in the bill. The frustration

453
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: is that from the state legislator, it's that the frustrations

454
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: that effishent game isn't doing enough. Yes, but if you

455
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: look at the numbers despite all the things you laid

456
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 1: out that they're doing, Like but but that's the criticism,

457
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: Like if you won't do your job, I'll do it

458
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: for you, right, And it's a lack of patience, right

459
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 1: and and and really, yes, thank you for keeping me

460
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: on track, Like that's the problem wildlife management. Right. It

461
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 1: takes a lot of time because what they're doing is

462
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: they're making incremental adjustments to a growing population and they're

463
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 1: trying to figure out like the magic number for wolves

464
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: is forty. You have to remove fort of a population

465
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: in an area. There's only one study that backs this up,

466
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: but that number is forty. If you can remove fort

467
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: of the population, you'll see a decline, a gradual decline

468
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 1: overall in the wolf population come in. That's surprising to me.

469
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: And that's a lot of animals, right fort of a

470
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: total and overall population is a shipload. If you did

471
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Speaker 1: that too, if you did that to a population of

472
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: mountain goats, they'd never recover. Oh no, no, So but

473
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: last year, the state of Idaho, under the current regulations,

474
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: removed over thirty of the population of the overall population

475
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: of wolves in the state of Idaho, which if you

476
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: put that in the context of big game animals, of

477
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: which it's classified like, you'd be turning some freaking heads

478
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 1: if you were removed of the white tail population someplace, right. Um,

479
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: But that's not an apples to apples. So um. The

480
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: scary thing here is here is a social response two,

481
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: a scientific management situation that says, what, by god, if

482
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 1: you're not gonna do something, we're gonna do something. I

483
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 1: have very very very serious doubts that the legislation is

484
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: going to result in some magical sixty percent reduction of

485
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: the total overall wolf population in the state. And what

486
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: happens when that happens, is there going to be another

487
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:06,959
Speaker 1: shoot from the hip social legislative response that says, Okay,

488
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: then we do need to start poisoning on public land.

489
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: You can poison through uh you know, uh certified agencies

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00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: on private land currently. But you know, you take the

491
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: state Idaho. You got hundred wolves in the entire state

492
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: of Idaho. Dead center in the state is this impassable

493
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: chunk of ground that connects with Hall's Canyon, um the

494
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: frank Church Wilderness, which is two point four million acres.

495
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: Do the math on fred wolves covering two point four

496
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: million acres. Right, it's no big surprise that people aren't

497
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: running into wolves left, right and center. Right. You can

498
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: run into a lot of wolf tracks, but actually putting

499
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: eyes on one is tough. Um Like, we're not. I

500
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: just don't think we're gonna get to some astounding amount

501
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: of wolves with this legislative tool that all of a

502
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: sudden got pulled out of the toolbox. And what happens

503
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: when that reality sets in? Are we then going to

504
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: see this slippery slope which is the analogy we love

505
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: to use in the hunting world of more managing wildlife

506
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: through legislation. The headlines around this would tell you that

507
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: it's gonna be very effective. Writers. I had a whole

508
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: lawmakers pass bill to kill most of state's wolf population,

509
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, I don't think so, no, no, no,

510
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: I mean the we know some things are effective, right,

511
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: we know trapping is effective, but effective trappers the overall

512
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: trapping population is very low. The very effective trappers within

513
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: that population is very very low. And I mean it's

514
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: a full time job through through the hunting reports, you know,

515
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 1: because it's a big game animal. You gotta report your

516
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,800
Speaker 1: heart of best in the state of Idaho. UM, there's

517
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: been one trapper who's filled his twenty tags, and that

518
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,720
Speaker 1: that was from last two two thousand nineteen season, I believe,

519
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 1: where you were limited to ten hunting tags ten trapping tags.

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00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: Talk to that guy, Oh, I would love to too.

521
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 1: If you're listening, please right in. We'll give you a

522
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: hat or something, because that's an amazing feats. Would love

523
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: just to get a little bit of intel from that

524
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: guy about what he goes about doing. Yeah, and I

525
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 1: guarantee it's not like, oh, well one weekend I went out.

526
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: What's their end goal with that? Just to like the

527
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: people that want the wolves gone gone? I mean, if

528
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: you think about eight in two thousand and twenty, going

529
00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: back to that, there's a D two confer cattle that's

530
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: pretty good in my opinion, but it's those other unforeseen things.

531
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: And then there's also there's also sort of like proxy stuff, right, Like,

532
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: there's an enormous amount of like it's it's not even

533
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:17,720
Speaker 1: a debatable fact that it has ramifications for big game hunting,

534
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 1: right But if a hunter says, hey, my problem with

535
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: having what I would call too many wolves is it

536
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 1: lowers the get the pool of animals out there for

537
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 1: people who want to hunt, because the people looking and

538
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 1: be like, well, that's an illegitimate argument. So I think

539
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: it's in a little wait, there's sort of like taking

540
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: a thing that has some level of public sympathy, which

541
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:44,359
Speaker 1: would be a livestock producers ability to stand business, right like,

542
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 1: that seems important. And you take all of these different

543
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: anxieties about wolves, whether they come from people who have

544
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 1: what I would argue to be very ill founded concerns

545
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: about human welfare, legitimate concerns about wild game populations, legitimate

546
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: concerns about cattle shoes, and you kind of put it

547
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: into a place that seems like the best way you're

548
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,399
Speaker 1: gonna win um for hunters to say, like, I want

549
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 1: there to be a lot more elk around because I

550
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: like to shoot at them. People like are very unsympathetic,

551
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 1: even though that to me seems like an extremely rational argument,

552
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: people are very unsympathetic to that. And from the Clearwater

553
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 1: North all the way, which is essentially the Panhandle, Idaho,

554
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: if you look at it as a as a handle

555
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: with frame pan on the end um from the Clearwater

556
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: North there there's unmistage, Like there's no doubt there's been

557
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: a reduction in elk numbers in those zones. But that's

558
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 1: also where the bulk of the authorized wolf depredation like

559
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 1: aerial gunning, has gone on. And that's that's where like

560
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 1: the big the hammer, sledge hammer sized tools and the

561
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: tool kit are coming out to reduce those those wolf

562
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: numbers in those zones. There's also the issue if you're

563
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: still running around with from the mid nineties when they

564
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,919
Speaker 1: began to do reroductions, people had to put numbers out there,

565
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: and you're you're at zero, right, You're at like effectively

566
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: zero wolves. So people say, what does success look like

567
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: to you? And they threw out some numbers that now

568
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: seemed like astonishingly low, but they were. They threw out

569
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: numbers that people could agree with. They're like oh, let's

570
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: say hundred fifty, you know, like low asked numbers, and

571
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: then people are like, wow, I guess if it's only

572
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: a hundred fifty, I can get on board with that, right,

573
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: I won't resist that as much. And then time goes

574
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 1: on and they have es a predict protection. You hit

575
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: one fifty, and then the states say, okay, we're there,

576
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: We're gonna go back to state management, and then people

577
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: use lawsuits to block those management plans for twenty years,

578
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,399
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, the one fifty we were

579
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: talking about is one thousand, five hundred, and people get

580
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: real used to that number. So then this number that

581
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: everybody agreed on one fifty, some of the proposals we

582
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 1: go back to one fifty. And how are you treated

583
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: in the media. You want to kill nine of the

584
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 1: wolves and I don't know, I didn't come up with

585
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:04,280
Speaker 1: the number. You guys came up with the number even

586
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: even in this discussion. Right, what we're looking at is

587
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: this vacuum where it's the number of elk versus the

588
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,399
Speaker 1: number of wolves, and all the other factors aren't being

589
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: taken into account. Right, So from the Clearwater North, that's

590
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: like the Densest thickest pine forest in the state Idaho,

591
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 1: which at the time of Lewis and Clark, they were like,

592
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: you know, the natives around there, the Nez Perce were like, oh,

593
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:32,240
Speaker 1: there's no food up there, Like you're you're gonna starve

594
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: in the mountains. Right then, we had major catastrophic fires

595
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,919
Speaker 1: um the big burn era right that ripped through there,

596
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 1: along with heavy timber management, like heavy timber management with

597
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,919
Speaker 1: which opened up a ton of country. There were elk

598
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:54,280
Speaker 1: re reintroductions going on, so we you had fresh growth,

599
00:38:55,760 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 1: rehab growth in that area and then constant timber production,

600
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: more big burns in the thirties, constant timber production. It

601
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: was much more. It was a much better place to

602
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 1: be as an elk during that time. That very well

603
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: could have been the heyday of elk in that region,

604
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 1: and it very well could be this real terrible meet

605
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 1: in the middle situation of less timber management. Some of

606
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 1: that has to do with with um the lawsuit type

607
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 1: of situation around timber harvest, and we haven't had big

608
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:43,280
Speaker 1: burns and you got wolves that are just really freaking

609
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 1: hard to get on in in big, dark, dark timber,

610
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 1: and that area grows really big bowls and really big

611
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: bucks because they're really hard to get on in big

612
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: dark timber two. Um. But you know, I was talking

613
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,839
Speaker 1: with a buddy of mine and he's like, and I'm

614
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 1: not making fun of this guy in any way, but

615
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: he just said, he's like, my family has been hunting

616
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:05,399
Speaker 1: in the exact same spot, killing elk for thirty five

617
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,879
Speaker 1: years and we haven't seen I haven't seen an elk

618
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: in uh, you know, ten years or something like that.

619
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Speaker 1: And it's it's hard to say, but it's like the

620
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 1: only thing that hasn't changed in that scenario is the

621
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 1: fact that you guys put your camp in the exact

622
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: same spot. Everything else has changed, forest management practices, everything

623
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: has changed. Like it's just it's not you don't live

624
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,280
Speaker 1: in a vacuum, and it's it's so hard to contextualize

625
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: all that stuff. Now I'm really done. No, that's great.

626
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 1: Here's the interesting one. This this is like one of

627
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 1: those things. Uh, this is one of those pieces of

628
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: reporting where someone does something kind of crazy, has no

629
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,720
Speaker 1: chance of passing, but it still makes the news everywhere.

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00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: In Oregon. There's a bill, Um what's it called. It's

631
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 1: called the It's an initiative called the Abuse Neglect and

632
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 1: Assault Exemption Modification Improvement Act, which would make it in Oregon.

633
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 1: This is a bill put out there. An animal could

634
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: only be injured in cases of a human self defense.

635
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 1: A veterinarian could still spay and neuter household pets, but

636
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 1: you would not be able to make it illegal to

637
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: kill livestock. Um. It would be illegal to force and pregnant,

638
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 1: force impregnation on livestock, and would ban meat production in

639
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:40,280
Speaker 1: the state of Oregon. That's like an interesting, very aggressive approach,

640
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: but again it's almost like not worth even reporting. Actually

641
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: will never go anywhere, but it's interesting the sexual mutilation

642
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 1: aspect of it. Uh, Chester instead of bitcoin? Yep, you

643
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 1: know what you should have invested in? Well, everyone's saying

644
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: doge coin for us? Off Hollos Bitcoin, the Continuing Adventures

645
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: of Chester the investor. Come that's it come off? Um,

646
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: It's it's just kind of up and down and up

647
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 1: and nah, it's not petered out. It's just I think

648
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 1: it's still smart to dabble in it. Well, we had

649
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:28,320
Speaker 1: our when we had our meat, did you buy a

650
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: meatcrafter knife or did you get one for free? When

651
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 1: we came out with our bench bade meatcrafter. I would

652
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: have loved one, though listen, there was there's a limited number.

653
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: They're all gone. They were sold for three hundred bucks apiece.

654
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: A guy has put one up on eBay. He got,

655
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: uh thirty seven bids. The bidding on that knife closed

656
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: at one thousand, two five dollars plus twenty dollars shipping

657
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 1: and handling. Thirty seven bids. Knife now going for one

658
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: thousand two bucks. You got any more of those laying around?

659
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,399
Speaker 1: I just I just asked Casey how many we got,

660
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: because we're gonna start our meat Eator auction house of oddities.

661
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,439
Speaker 1: And at first I didn't think that that because it's

662
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:16,800
Speaker 1: an auction, it's for conservation spending. We're auction off weird

663
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,399
Speaker 1: ship cool stuff. Like the first thing is Buck Bold,

664
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 1: a birch bowl, a buckey bowl by Buck Bowing, all

665
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 1: kinds of stuff. We gotta bring home something from this trip.

666
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: Um and now we can put our own knives in there.

667
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 1: And now that they're like collectors, I can't believe that.

668
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,240
Speaker 1: That's amazing. Uh, the suvied thing, even though I promise

669
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 1: not to talk about anymore. Um, that's still interesting though.

670
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: So the whole with everybody who listens is aware of this.

671
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: The conversation about the guy that warmed his birthing his

672
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 1: wife's birthing pool with a Suvie wand a pastor just

673
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 1: wrote in he's always struggled with getting his baptismal well,

674
00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 1: what do they call it? Just calls it the baptismal

675
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 1: three gallon Galvini I stock tank for baptizing people. He's

676
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: always struggled with watertown got himself Suvie. This keeps a

677
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:15,439
Speaker 1: very comfortable temperature, but then pulls the wand out when

678
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 1: he has the baptism, when he has to baptize somebody.

679
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 1: This reminds me of do you remember when we were

680
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,280
Speaker 1: all sitting there freezing our butts off in the ripping

681
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: wind on a super icy lake this winter. We're talking

682
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 1: about methods keeping the ice hole from your generator in

683
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 1: the Suvie one. We run a shipload of su VI's

684
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:39,720
Speaker 1: out there. So this guy right here, genuine pastor doing

685
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 1: baptisms and Suvie heated water. He even send a picture. Uh, Kimmy,

686
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:46,399
Speaker 1: this I want you to win on this one. We've

687
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: been had. We were having a debate recently about how

688
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: why snap and turtles don't seem to want to bite

689
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 1: you underwater, but as soon as you lift him out,

690
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: they want to bite you. The guy was saying, this

691
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: is this is apropo. Guy wrote, and I was in

692
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: Hawaii a few years back. We decided to do a

693
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 1: guided storkling trip. He says. His family is very scared

694
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: of the ocean, so they were overloading the guide with

695
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: questions about what all will bite you. They got to

696
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: question about getting bit by sharks, They questioned about getting

697
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,839
Speaker 1: stung by urchins, and then one of his cousins says,

698
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: do the sea turtles ever bite? The guide laughed, acted

699
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 1: like it was the dumbest question he'd ever heard. Says

700
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,359
Speaker 1: he's been diving for forty years. I never seen anyone

701
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: bit by a sea turtle. The guy goes on to say,

702
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: I shoot you not. Those were the last words that

703
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: beach Bump said before hopping in the water and immediately

704
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 1: having a full grown, three pound piste off mama sea

705
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: turtle latch onto his stomach. Do you buy that? I do.

706
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: I know someone who got bit by a turtle. My

707
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: friend Angela's a spear fisher in Um. A turtle just

708
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 1: came up to her and bitter right on the butt

709
00:45:56,280 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 1: and they through the wet suit bolke skin, but still

710
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 1: love bite. But yeah, why do you think they're they

711
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 1: would bite? I honestly think that because that turtle was

712
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 1: kind of known, like it was in this place where

713
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: we'd go a lot for blue water diving for oos

714
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 1: and stuff. But in that type of diving you have

715
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: chum and and and turtles will eatum, they will eat octopus,

716
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,320
Speaker 1: will eat all kinds of things if if they're fed it.

717
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 1: And so I think a lot of times people have

718
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: kind of got to know that turtle and maybe we're

719
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: feeding it, And so I think it was just kind

720
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: of a hay feed me thing. And so that story

721
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 1: that you just told, I bet if they're taking tourists

722
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 1: snarkling there, you know, there could be someone feeding the turtle.

723
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: And I think that when they become like pets, they

724
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 1: want to ask for a snack and they don't have

725
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,359
Speaker 1: any other way to ask. So as I've had one

726
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: bite my fin before ye diving and scared the ship

727
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 1: out of me, I didn't know what it was. And

728
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 1: there's a curiosity bite, I think more and anything. It

729
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: wasn't aggressive, and it's also pulling on your friend. Yeah,

730
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: just real rightly though. Uh, this is interesting from Nature's

731
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 1: metal there day the sex changing tongue eating ocean house.

732
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 1: You know about this cow, Yeah, it looks like that.

733
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 1: A little alien. There's a bug. It's not a bug,

734
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: there's an ocean house lays eggs on a ficious gills.

735
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: They like snappers. His his Linarian name is Simon thoah

736
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 1: x Agua Xegua. I don't know they live inside uh

737
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: so that this picture is out of South Africa. Their

738
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:44,320
Speaker 1: offspringer born in the ocean. A group of attached themselves

739
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 1: inside the gills of a fish. They like to target snappers.

740
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 1: Once they're tapped, one individual from the group will become

741
00:47:52,320 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 1: a female, a proto Andriddick hermaphrodite. She grows larger, so

742
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 1: one of them decides to become female. That one girls

743
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 1: big moves onto the tongue of the fish, clamps onto

744
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 1: the fish's tongue, feeds off its blood, eventually cuts off

745
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: the blood supply to the tongue. The tongue atrophies and

746
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 1: falls off. Then the parasite assumes the responsibilities of the

747
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 1: tongue and lives there as a tongue permanently. Everybody else

748
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: stays a male, and they all are. It's sort of

749
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 1: like bivy of mates hanging out on the gills. Boys,

750
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 1: it's like the females. It's her little harem of males

751
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 1: stuck to the gill. The great picture. Oh here's the

752
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 1: one last thing that caught my attention. I'm on the

753
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 1: I get emails, and I used to I've tried to

754
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 1: not I've tried, like subscribe it. You can't unsubscribe, and

755
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: Non'm glad I didn't unsubscribe, even though I've tried a

756
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: couple of times. From the Wildlife Conservation Society, they came

757
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 1: out with like they're sort of like rolling with the

758
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 1: social distancing thing, you know, and they're saying and they

759
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: came out with this research about how we need the

760
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:21,240
Speaker 1: social or throwing out there that we should social distance

761
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:25,359
Speaker 1: from animals better. And it looks at non consumptive recreation

762
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: and the impacts of non consumptive recreation on animals. And

763
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 1: they're putting out distances at which your presence screws with

764
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 1: wildlife waiting burns and song birds hundred nine yards hawks

765
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: and eagles. You should stay four thirty seven yards away

766
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: from them mammal threshold distances a thousand yards for large

767
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 1: on that's like moose, you should stay fifty four yards

768
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 1: away from small rodents. Well there's a get go. Just

769
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: caught him off right here. Well, you're way too close

770
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 1: to his ask is eighteen inches. It's from from a

771
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 1: gecko fighting. That was an ambitious you should make a

772
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:21,760
Speaker 1: little video that sweet meal. We've we've had qualified captain

773
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: and Nature is Metal in two days. Well I caught

774
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 1: it right there while we're talking about how you shouldn't

775
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: get so close to critters. But point being, that's a

776
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 1: really ambitious ask. Like, I don't know what people are

777
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 1: gonna do with those numbers. Boy, people in parks national

778
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 1: for us getting them to read a sign I think

779
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 1: is uh thousand yards from moves fifty yards from a chipmunk.

780
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 1: It's a real hard Yeah, I can't picture just getting

781
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,720
Speaker 1: much traction be real good for folks in the laser

782
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 1: range laser range finder industry that need to carry range

783
00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 1: finder with you. I think what this report will do

784
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: is it I think that it will. It won't like

785
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 1: it would be horrifying to see this enacted by law,

786
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 1: but I think it does make people asked people to

787
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 1: be aware of what their presence asked people to be

788
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 1: aware of what their presence around animals do. But when

789
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: I see an animal, I always want to go over

790
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: there and check it out. Oh yeah, I very rarely

791
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 1: moved by the desire to get farther away. And YouTube

792
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 1: is full of people like you. It's like, I don't know.

793
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:28,879
Speaker 1: It's worst thing would be that you're worrying wildlife. It's

794
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 1: the way I would sell as You're just going up

795
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 1: there to have a look. Look look at that. Let's

796
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: go and have a look. It's just my instinct, man.

797
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 1: So seeing this felt like I felt really singled out.

798
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 1: Fifty four yards from a chipmunk. My mom's head right

799
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:50,240
Speaker 1: now as she sleeps is about three inches from a chipmunk. Chipmunk.

800
00:51:50,280 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 1: Then on the other side of the brick. All right,

801
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,359
Speaker 1: Kimmy and Johnson, give yourself, give you guys a better,

802
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 1: more thorough introduction. Now Red Talk Shop, Red Talk Hawaii

803
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: introduced myself. Both of you like give you like what

804
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 1: your stick is, what's your spe you know your spiel?

805
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: These are all Yiddish terms. I think, like what your

806
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 1: deal is. I'm Kimmy Werner and I was born and

807
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: raised here in Hawaii, Maui and grew up kind of

808
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: tagging along with my dad when he would go spear fishing.

809
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 1: And now I'm a spear fisher woman myself, and this

810
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 1: is my husband justin. How did you guys meet spear fishing? No,

811
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 1: I met on a gig. I got hired from Minnesota

812
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 1: to come to Hawaii to be a production assistant, and

813
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 1: Kimmy was the talent on the show. And we worked

814
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 1: together for a while. And once work was done, we

815
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: um hung out. Yeah, yeah, we did the wind up

816
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 1: being that did that? How was that received by the

817
00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 1: rest of the production team? Well? Good, Actually we waited

818
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 1: until it was kind of over, you know, just for

819
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:07,839
Speaker 1: the sake of well, nothing happened on production. You guys

820
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 1: took a shine to each other. I just stared at

821
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:15,280
Speaker 1: him a lot and and and then after production wrapped,

822
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 1: like we did some filming here and then we went

823
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 1: to Mexico and then after production wrapped. Um, then we

824
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:24,840
Speaker 1: started talking and then I invited him to Hawaii. About him,

825
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 1: I liked that he was really nice and that he

826
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 1: worked really hard because it was um kind of a

827
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 1: ship show of a production, like it was really bad,

828
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 1: and and there was a lot of tempers and stress

829
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 1: and egos and all kinds of stuff that you just

830
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 1: really it wasn't a good feeling production a lot of times.

831
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 1: And and Justin who had just taken a gig. He's

832
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 1: he was a cinematographer for snowboarding and bow hunting, but

833
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 1: he just took a gig as a p a just

834
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,400
Speaker 1: because he wanted to come to Hawaii. And so he

835
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 1: was kind of working so hard rookie circles around a

836
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 1: lot of people, and I just noticed that he was

837
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: just always kind to everyone, and in the midst of

838
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:08,720
Speaker 1: all that stress, it was just like something I could

839
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:14,359
Speaker 1: tune into to not get irritated. And he had nice eyes,

840
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 1: would you like, I remember just watching her goal pro.

841
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 1: I mean she was very kind to everyone, of course,

842
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 1: and she cooked very well, which is really great, but

843
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:28,240
Speaker 1: most of your kindness. But then I remember being blown

844
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 1: away on one of our trips, like I'm so new

845
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 1: at this point to the ocean. And when we were

846
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 1: in Mexico, she was wearing a goal pro and she

847
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 1: shot an ahi, And first of all, I didn't even

848
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 1: know you could like shoot fish underwater, which spear fishing.

849
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 1: I didn't even know what it really because it's still

850
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 1: hanging from a tree. If you do that in Minnesota

851
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 1: pretty much. Yeah, now I hear about shooting Walleye and

852
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 1: then really um Montana, but so I remember watching that

853
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 1: and I just thought like, holy sh it, this is

854
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 1: the most badass thing I've really ever seen, you know,

855
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 1: and her just like being able to do that in

856
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: control and then learning more of out her. But then um,

857
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 1: once we were able to just spend time with each

858
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 1: other when she brought me, like I had like four

859
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 1: days off in between hunts. She brought me to uh Maui,

860
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: where we ended up getting married like eight years later,

861
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,279
Speaker 1: and she came over from a different island, and she

862
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 1: brought venison, lobster and minpaci, which you guys learned about um.

863
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 1: And then we fell in love and it was It's

864
00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 1: the same type of lifestyle that I grew up on,

865
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 1: except for in Hawaii. You know, I was really attracted

866
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 1: to lakes and wilderness and hunting, and she was everything

867
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:32,760
Speaker 1: about that, um, but in Hawaii, which was so foreign

868
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:36,879
Speaker 1: to me. So now being here eight years, I felt

869
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:38,799
Speaker 1: like a kid again, learning the ocean and learning a

870
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 1: whole new hunting tactic of of spear fishing, you know,

871
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 1: learning the oceans, learning how to free dive and things

872
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:47,360
Speaker 1: like that. So she really has changed my life in

873
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 1: such a great way. And it was kind of neat because, um,

874
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 1: when after our four day first date, you know, when

875
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 1: we did fall in love and um, Justin, it was

876
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 1: kind of an interesting situation and because we wanted to

877
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:03,839
Speaker 1: be together, I wanted to be in Hawaii, and so

878
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 1: Justin was trying to figure out how to get here.

879
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 1: But he was a snowboarding cinematographer and so it's not

880
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 1: like the easiest career to keep living in Hawaii and um,

881
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 1: and so it's just really neat that somehow I was

882
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,720
Speaker 1: able to take this Minnesota boy and just like train

883
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 1: them to dive, and it ended up being the coolest

884
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 1: thing to like mold this person from scratch to be

885
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:36,359
Speaker 1: this underwater cameraman who had no bad habits at all,

886
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 1: and I could really just like teach him like where

887
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 1: to lay, how to how I hunt, And it ended

888
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 1: up just being really cool a good way to um

889
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 1: bring us together first of all. But now that we

890
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 1: still do that today, it's just it's pretty fun. Yeah,

891
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 1: you guys worked together like a very fine tuned machine,

892
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:58,240
Speaker 1: but you know what each other is thinking. Yeah, without

893
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 1: And that's one thing. In water, you can't really communicate

894
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 1: right unless you stick your head up, and then you're

895
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 1: burning energy yelling or talking. You're trying to get that

896
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:08,760
Speaker 1: person's attention. So it's just all like the more instinct

897
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 1: you can be, the better, because there are so many

898
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 1: times when I wanted to say things to to you

899
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 1: and to cow in the water, and I just like

900
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 1: I wish it was like hunting on land when when

901
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: someone's helping me, they're always whispering in my ear, and

902
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 1: that there's so how many times I want it's like

903
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 1: whisper in your ear, But I can't because you can't

904
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 1: talk underwater. And if I take my head out of

905
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 1: the water to talk to you gotta take your head

906
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 1: of the water. At anytime your head's out of the water,

907
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 1: it's not good because you're taking yourself out of that world.

908
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 1: You're taking your eyes off that fish. And so it's

909
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 1: it's really um a difficult place to communicate with words.

910
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 1: And so the more you learn to just watch somebody's

911
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 1: body language and understand what they're thinking and what they're doing,

912
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 1: the more seamless. You become like a pack. Oh yeah,

913
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 1: watching you do is very apparent, like it's it's I mean,

914
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 1: it's it's fun to see like the level of i

915
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 1: mean communication and and just like flow that that's possible.

916
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 1: You know what when you were what was your earliest

917
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 1: exposure to the ocean. My dad says I was four.

918
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 1: I remember it when I was five. But around four

919
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 1: or five, my dad um started letting me take along

920
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 1: with him to do what to go spear fishing. I

921
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 1: wouldn't spear fish, but my dad, um, that's how he

922
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 1: put food on the table. My parents didn't really have

923
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: a lot of money, and that's like literally how he

924
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 1: fed us was to go spear fishing and um. And

925
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 1: he always just says it's because when my mom was

926
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:46,800
Speaker 1: working as a waitress, he couldn't afford a babysitter, so

927
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 1: he just started bringing me along. And at first he

928
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 1: would just told me on a bookieboard, but I'd always

929
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 1: want off the boogieboard. I don't want to see everything.

930
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 1: So then my job was just to keep up, and

931
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 1: so all I would do is swim on the surface.

932
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 1: I wouldn't help much, you know, I just tell him

933
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 1: what I wanted for dinner and watch him go down

934
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 1: and get it for me. But that was my earliest introduction.

935
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 1: Were your parents married, They were married? Yeah, And then

936
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 1: how far back he married was your was your father

937
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 1: and mother both born in Hawaii. My mom was born

938
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 1: in Hawaii. My dad was born in New Mexico. Yeah,

939
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 1: and he came here and took to just eating out

940
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 1: of the ocean. Yeah. He um, he was. Um. He

941
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 1: went to Vietnam and when he got out he kind

942
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 1: of didn't know what to do with himself. And he

943
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 1: moved to Hawaii in his early twenties and he was

944
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 1: taken in by this wonderful Hawaiian family. Um, we'll see

945
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 1: a combat veteran. He was in the Air Force and

946
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 1: um he was actually um um more of a mechanic

947
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 1: in the Air Force. But um, but yeah, he got

948
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 1: taken in by this beautiful, wonderful Hawaiian family who they

949
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 1: just taught him. Um. It was a the grandma of

950
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 1: the family that um that kind of got him into

951
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 1: spear fishing. When so, when you were little, did you

952
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:12,440
Speaker 1: do you remember at because you gotta exposed to it

953
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 1: at four years old sometime around then, did you do

954
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 1: you remember ever registering fear of the ocean or did

955
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 1: did you miss did you skip that step? Oh? No?

956
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 1: I um. Everything about it was scary, like we would

957
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 1: have to you know. We would pull up at these

958
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 1: big tall cliffs and my mom would drop off. Sometimes

959
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 1: my mom would drop off my dad and I and

960
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 1: then he'd have to put me on his back and

961
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 1: we hiked down these cliffs and we jump off these

962
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 1: rocks and then we'd be in like crazy blue water

963
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 1: that you couldn't touch and you couldn't see, and we

964
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 1: would drift the coast down to another bay where my

965
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 1: mom would pick us up. And so a lot of

966
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 1: that was intimidating to me. And my dad would just

967
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:57,640
Speaker 1: like he would just play these like tricks on me

968
01:00:57,680 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 1: that he would It's true, but he would always like

969
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 1: look at me as soon as we pulled up and

970
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 1: he knew I was scared. He would always just be like, wow, Cam,

971
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 1: aren't you aren't you relieved? We just survived the most

972
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 1: dangerous part of our day, the car ride, Like, let's go,

973
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:13,919
Speaker 1: it's all downhill from here. And he'd always like say

974
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 1: stuff like that to kind of train me to think

975
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 1: about things differently. And and yeah, and sometimes I would

976
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 1: get in the water and I get distracted. I'd see

977
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 1: a beautiful turtle or something, and then I wasn't doing

978
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 1: my job of keeping up, and I would look up

979
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 1: and there he'd be, nowhere in sight, and I would

980
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 1: just be alone in the blue. And that was really

981
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:34,360
Speaker 1: scary for me. But I'd have to like look at

982
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 1: the edge of my visibility, like just to see the

983
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 1: bubbles left by his fins and just keep swimming that way. Um.

984
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:42,920
Speaker 1: But you know, I think it was just because I

985
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 1: was so young, and I just my dad was like

986
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 1: my Superman in my in my eyes, you know, he

987
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 1: could in my eyes, he could do anything, especially at

988
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:54,600
Speaker 1: that age, Like he was just my hero. And so

989
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 1: as long as I knew that I could see those

990
01:01:57,240 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 1: bubbles from his fins, as long as I knew that

991
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:00,640
Speaker 1: I could see a silhouette, as long as I knew

992
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 1: he was anywhere around me, I just felt like, um,

993
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:07,960
Speaker 1: nothing bad could happen. So I think that helped me

994
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 1: overcome that fear, and he would always just really drive

995
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 1: it into me to relax. UM. But those days didn't

996
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 1: last forever because my parents did start making money very

997
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 1: shortly after that. Um, they saved up money to put

998
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 1: my mom into a community college when I was five

999
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:25,640
Speaker 1: as well. She was fourty years old, first time going

1000
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 1: to college. Um, two years later graduated, got a job

1001
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 1: as an emergency room nurse, and my dad's company also

1002
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 1: started taking off his construction company, and so then we

1003
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 1: made money. They worked all the time, and we lived.

1004
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 1: We moved out of the shock in nature. We stopped

1005
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 1: getting our food from the ocean. We got it from

1006
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 1: grocery stores and restaurants, and that kind of all ended.

1007
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 1: And so I didn't actually take up spear fishing until

1008
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 1: I was twenty four years old. And the fears I

1009
01:02:56,600 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 1: had to face as an adult, um rhein during the

1010
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 1: ocean trying to get dinner, they were they were definitely

1011
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:11,240
Speaker 1: so you you didn't spearfish at all for all those years. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1012
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 1: it almost felt like I felt like I was really

1013
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 1: lucky to have experienced that. But it's not something that

1014
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:22,240
Speaker 1: everyone does, you know, and um, it's definitely not something

1015
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:26,480
Speaker 1: that girls did. And and so I pretty much just

1016
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 1: grew up like knowing that that was a passion of mine,

1017
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 1: knowing that like I had comfort and skills in the

1018
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:35,640
Speaker 1: water every once in a while, like you know, every

1019
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 1: time I got in the water, I try to go

1020
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 1: and hold my breath and do stuff. But we just

1021
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 1: didn't do it as often. And um, did you do

1022
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:47,280
Speaker 1: the other kids stuff in that age? Like that's like

1023
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:51,200
Speaker 1: the prime social age, right, like were you doing basketball

1024
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:56,480
Speaker 1: or organized sports for for school where you're surfing with

1025
01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 1: folks or yeah, I like playing in the ways and

1026
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 1: going bodyboard earting, I was on the swim team, Um,

1027
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:06,040
Speaker 1: all these things that you know, we're never quite as

1028
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 1: exciting as that first thing I did canoe paddling competitively. Um,

1029
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 1: but those were always my favorite memories. And my dad

1030
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 1: and I would still go fishing bottom fishing for fun

1031
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:21,240
Speaker 1: and catch fish that way, but we just we didn't

1032
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 1: spend as much time going diving in the way that

1033
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:27,200
Speaker 1: he used to when he would use that to feed us.

1034
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:31,000
Speaker 1: And and so yeah, it wasn't until later in life

1035
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 1: when I just realized, like, you know, that's not just

1036
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 1: this nostalgic memory. It's like it's not something because I

1037
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:41,640
Speaker 1: would look up the word nostalgia because I felt like

1038
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:44,400
Speaker 1: I was suffering from it because I really missed those days.

1039
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:47,400
Speaker 1: And it remember it said like longing for something that

1040
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:49,480
Speaker 1: no longer exists. And I just thought that time of

1041
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:54,040
Speaker 1: my life of living that closely to nature and getting

1042
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 1: food that way, Um, it was a time that I

1043
01:04:57,560 --> 01:05:00,440
Speaker 1: was lucky to experience. But it doesn't really cist in

1044
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:03,600
Speaker 1: this modern world anymore as much. Um. But when I

1045
01:05:03,640 --> 01:05:06,840
Speaker 1: realized that it still could, that was when I decided, like,

1046
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 1: I have to go see about this, you know, And

1047
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:12,520
Speaker 1: I went and I got my own spear. Um. I

1048
01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:15,000
Speaker 1: couldn't get anyone to take me diving, to say, in

1049
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:18,160
Speaker 1: my life saw spear fishing and kind of a negative

1050
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:21,320
Speaker 1: light at that point. I think he had to do it.

1051
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 1: I think he he loved it. But I know that

1052
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:29,200
Speaker 1: when I was twenty four, when I did finally get

1053
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:32,160
Speaker 1: that spear, and I drove myself to the beach, and

1054
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:34,440
Speaker 1: I remember I just had no idea what I was

1055
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:38,760
Speaker 1: doing when in the water started swimming, got super scared,

1056
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:42,840
Speaker 1: like I wanted to turn around everything, and like I

1057
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:45,080
Speaker 1: had to use little tricks myself, because at one point

1058
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:47,040
Speaker 1: I saw a little white break and I saw the

1059
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 1: bubbles and it made me feel calm, and so I

1060
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:50,920
Speaker 1: keep swimming that way. But anyway, by the end of

1061
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:53,600
Speaker 1: that day, I was able to get some fish. Just

1062
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:56,080
Speaker 1: remembering what I saw my dad do and I was

1063
01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:57,720
Speaker 1: able to get five fish, just like there was a

1064
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:02,439
Speaker 1: hole hole and coole and then pie gee. And that

1065
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:06,440
Speaker 1: day I just knew like I'm a changed person, Like

1066
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 1: the woman that came out of the water was just

1067
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 1: like completely different woman. I felt accomplished. I felt like

1068
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:14,640
Speaker 1: a lioness. And I just felt like to take this

1069
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:16,880
Speaker 1: catch home and cook it, like this is the best

1070
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:19,480
Speaker 1: meal I've ever eaten. And it made me feel like

1071
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:21,240
Speaker 1: I was falling in love. And I called my dad

1072
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:25,640
Speaker 1: up to tell him, and I remember being so happy

1073
01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 1: and just like because he was always wanting to know

1074
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 1: what I was gonna do with my life, you know,

1075
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:32,680
Speaker 1: like I just um, he knew like I was cooking,

1076
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 1: but I wasn't really into it. I would always talk

1077
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:37,680
Speaker 1: about doing art and he was just like those are

1078
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:41,640
Speaker 1: not careers, you know. And and when I finally told him, Dad,

1079
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:43,480
Speaker 1: I found what I what I'm gonna do. I thought

1080
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:45,120
Speaker 1: I would be so proud because it was what he

1081
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:48,400
Speaker 1: taught me. And I told him I'm gonna go diving.

1082
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:51,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be a spear fisher, and he was just like,

1083
01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:56,240
Speaker 1: give me, I don't know where you're looking for the answers,

1084
01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:58,320
Speaker 1: but they're not going to be at the bottom of

1085
01:06:58,360 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 1: the ocean. And I remember I was just so heart

1086
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:03,600
Speaker 1: broke in like he just totally like dismissed the whole

1087
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:07,880
Speaker 1: idea of it, and when I thought he'd be so happy, um,

1088
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:11,840
Speaker 1: And I think it is because he related that to

1089
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:17,840
Speaker 1: being poor, to being so poor and struggling to you know,

1090
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:22,520
Speaker 1: to survive and succeed. And when they did start making money,

1091
01:07:22,560 --> 01:07:24,880
Speaker 1: I guess, you know, that's what you do, is you

1092
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:28,880
Speaker 1: become successful so that you can give more to your

1093
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:31,160
Speaker 1: children than what you had and you can see them

1094
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:34,120
Speaker 1: go further then you went, you know, I guess as

1095
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:37,560
Speaker 1: parents dreams. And so when he saw me like gravitating

1096
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:42,080
Speaker 1: back to wanting that, um, it didn't sound like a

1097
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:44,520
Speaker 1: very good plan to him. You know, you kind of

1098
01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:46,560
Speaker 1: answered the question. But earlier I was going to ask

1099
01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:49,080
Speaker 1: you if you know, you were just making a funny

1100
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:51,520
Speaker 1: point or being glib when you said that he took

1101
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:54,080
Speaker 1: you because he didn't have a babysitter, And I was

1102
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:57,040
Speaker 1: going to press you on if that was totally fair

1103
01:07:57,160 --> 01:08:01,600
Speaker 1: or not. But I'm now it seems like he wasn't.

1104
01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:03,920
Speaker 1: In his mind, he definitely wasn't giving you like this

1105
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 1: great gift to teach you to be in the ocean.

1106
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 1: It was pragmatic. I mean, that's what he you know,

1107
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:13,000
Speaker 1: that's what he says, like. But in my mind, he

1108
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:15,120
Speaker 1: had to know he was giving me such a great

1109
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:18,200
Speaker 1: gift because if he said we're going diving tomorrow, I

1110
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:21,519
Speaker 1: was the one knocking on his bedroom door at five

1111
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:24,000
Speaker 1: in the morning saying, I think the sun's coming up,

1112
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:28,479
Speaker 1: let's go. You know, so he knew that I loved it.

1113
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:32,080
Speaker 1: Were you an only child? No, I, Um, I have

1114
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:35,960
Speaker 1: to older half brothers, but they're out of the house already,

1115
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:38,080
Speaker 1: they're much older. And so it was my sister and

1116
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:41,840
Speaker 1: I who are just a year apart. And she was

1117
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:45,519
Speaker 1: always invited to come, but just never really took to it.

1118
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:48,240
Speaker 1: And she also my parents gave us like the choice

1119
01:08:48,280 --> 01:08:50,120
Speaker 1: if we wanted to go to preschool or not. I

1120
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:52,280
Speaker 1: chose no, she chose yes. So she had to go

1121
01:08:52,360 --> 01:08:58,360
Speaker 1: live with my grandparents to go to preschool. Yeah. Um,

1122
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:03,400
Speaker 1: what other like what other ideas were you pursuing to

1123
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:06,040
Speaker 1: to make a living? And then also what does it

1124
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:07,880
Speaker 1: mean to spear fish for a living? Like, just tell

1125
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:10,880
Speaker 1: give people a glimpse of what you're not selling fish, right,

1126
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:13,400
Speaker 1: So so give people a glimpse of what that looks like. Yeah,

1127
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:16,479
Speaker 1: well so the other ideas. I mean, I knew I

1128
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:18,840
Speaker 1: liked cooking, and I knew I liked food, so I

1129
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:21,280
Speaker 1: got a degree in culinary arts and I was working

1130
01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:24,280
Speaker 1: in the restaurant industry. But I was just so bored there,

1131
01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:27,120
Speaker 1: Like I just was working with ingredients that meant nothing

1132
01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:29,719
Speaker 1: to me that we're flown in from Afar and frozen,

1133
01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:32,160
Speaker 1: and I was making the same thing every single night

1134
01:09:32,200 --> 01:09:35,640
Speaker 1: and just feeling like this is not creative. Um. I

1135
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:38,360
Speaker 1: also can I also tried to, you know, do art

1136
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:41,240
Speaker 1: for a while, and I really enjoyed that because it

1137
01:09:41,320 --> 01:09:44,479
Speaker 1: gave me the freedom to go spear fishing. Um. But

1138
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:47,840
Speaker 1: I really barely got by on selling paintings. That was

1139
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:52,120
Speaker 1: very hard. Um. And I never really knew how you

1140
01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:54,920
Speaker 1: would make money as a spear fisher because I wasn't

1141
01:09:54,920 --> 01:09:58,040
Speaker 1: a commercial fisher. UM. I just knew that's what I

1142
01:09:58,120 --> 01:10:01,320
Speaker 1: wanted to do. I didn't even the approach it as

1143
01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:03,599
Speaker 1: a career. I just looked at like, if I can

1144
01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:07,400
Speaker 1: paint paintings and sell them so that when the weather

1145
01:10:07,479 --> 01:10:09,720
Speaker 1: is nice, I can get up and go, that's a

1146
01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:12,200
Speaker 1: win for me if I can survive just doing this.

1147
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:15,920
Speaker 1: But eventually, um, I got better and better at it.

1148
01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:18,679
Speaker 1: I ended up winning the national championships and started getting

1149
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:22,800
Speaker 1: attention for it, and then um it just ended up

1150
01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:27,280
Speaker 1: turning into a career where people wanted me to, you know,

1151
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:30,479
Speaker 1: use their gear, use their their products, and give it

1152
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:33,559
Speaker 1: a try and get photos with it. And took a

1153
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:36,799
Speaker 1: long time, but like I would say, ten years after

1154
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:40,360
Speaker 1: doing that, I finally started realizing that everybody was making

1155
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:42,920
Speaker 1: money off of me, and I could probably start asking

1156
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:45,760
Speaker 1: to get paid for it. Yeah, I got Can you

1157
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:50,799
Speaker 1: explain a little bit the um where free diving plays

1158
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:55,800
Speaker 1: into spear fishing and your challenges and emergen like going

1159
01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:59,840
Speaker 1: into that world free diving is how you spear fish.

1160
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 1: I know that you can definitely do it on scuba

1161
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:06,599
Speaker 1: and do it with tanks, but I find it just

1162
01:11:07,439 --> 01:11:11,280
Speaker 1: so much more in tune to just hold your breath

1163
01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:16,200
Speaker 1: and go down and hunt like that because you're not

1164
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:18,920
Speaker 1: you're not making all these bubbles and you're not scaring

1165
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 1: fish away like that, and there's not I just feel

1166
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:24,160
Speaker 1: like it just makes the most sense to go down

1167
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:26,400
Speaker 1: on a single breath of air and and try and

1168
01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:32,080
Speaker 1: get this done. Um. It's definitely challenging, but um, but

1169
01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:35,080
Speaker 1: it makes you more a part of the ocean, and

1170
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:39,640
Speaker 1: I think the animals start to you. You learn to

1171
01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:43,000
Speaker 1: move different with that, and it just like it really

1172
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:47,000
Speaker 1: teaches you this finesse that UM is all a part

1173
01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:51,280
Speaker 1: of hunting. And when it comes to free diving, I

1174
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:54,160
Speaker 1: mean there's there's so many challenges that come with it.

1175
01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:57,480
Speaker 1: And I think just taking that drop into the unknown

1176
01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:02,519
Speaker 1: and just leaving air behind and getting further and further

1177
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:07,120
Speaker 1: away from it, UM and then just trying to just

1178
01:12:07,160 --> 01:12:11,519
Speaker 1: trying to figure things out with this with this time limit,

1179
01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:15,519
Speaker 1: you know, trying to trying to understand things and stock things.

1180
01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:17,920
Speaker 1: And if you could just stay down there forever, it

1181
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:20,160
Speaker 1: would be a lot easier. But the thing is that

1182
01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:24,400
Speaker 1: you always you always gotta go, and so it's UM,

1183
01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:28,880
Speaker 1: it's definitely challenging. How long can you How long can

1184
01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 1: you hold your breath underwater? The longest I've ever held

1185
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:35,760
Speaker 1: it underwater was four minutes or forty five seconds, But

1186
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:40,479
Speaker 1: that wasn't like actively hunting at all. When I'm actively hunting,

1187
01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:43,240
Speaker 1: it's like I try and keep it around two minutes.

1188
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:47,360
Speaker 1: And the main reason why is because you have to

1189
01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:50,640
Speaker 1: recover on the surface for twice as long so that

1190
01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:55,800
Speaker 1: you don't get hypoxic and blackout. And true, if you

1191
01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:57,519
Speaker 1: hold your bath for two minutes, you have to recover

1192
01:12:57,600 --> 01:13:01,959
Speaker 1: for four minutes. That's a long time stay on the surface. Um,

1193
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:04,000
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't want that to be any longer. So

1194
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:06,360
Speaker 1: I also feel like if I can't bring a fish

1195
01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:09,160
Speaker 1: in to me within like a minute and a half,

1196
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:13,200
Speaker 1: I should probably try a different technique and try a

1197
01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:15,679
Speaker 1: different strategy rather than just try and wait it out.

1198
01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:21,360
Speaker 1: And what's the deepest you've dove, And what's the normal

1199
01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:24,960
Speaker 1: what do you consider like a normal comfortable maximum diving depth?

1200
01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:28,200
Speaker 1: The deepest I dove was a hundred and fifty nine

1201
01:13:28,240 --> 01:13:30,720
Speaker 1: ft and that was just like, oh, I want to

1202
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:34,160
Speaker 1: see if I can go touch the bottom and come back.

1203
01:13:34,240 --> 01:13:36,479
Speaker 1: And that's all I did, just turn and burn. But

1204
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:38,840
Speaker 1: it was just neat to be down that deep and

1205
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:43,800
Speaker 1: feel that pressure. Um. But I would say comfortable. I mean,

1206
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:47,679
Speaker 1: like yesterday's diving, we were hitting the bottom at about

1207
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:52,680
Speaker 1: seventy five and watch you go down and lay on

1208
01:13:52,760 --> 01:14:00,240
Speaker 1: the bottom as a couple, and the water so clear

1209
01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:03,400
Speaker 1: you can see it from the surface. Steve and I

1210
01:14:03,479 --> 01:14:07,559
Speaker 1: as your support crew on the surface. Yeah, we go

1211
01:14:07,560 --> 01:14:09,800
Speaker 1: out of those like so, swim straight down seventy five

1212
01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:12,040
Speaker 1: ft of water, lay on the bottom, frown how long

1213
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:14,479
Speaker 1: and what event? Just so cool to shoot one of

1214
01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:18,320
Speaker 1: those big cuckus. So but it's amazing. Yeah, And that's

1215
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:21,640
Speaker 1: the thing too, It's like you you know, it's one

1216
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:23,800
Speaker 1: thing to go down to seventy five ft and hang out,

1217
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:27,479
Speaker 1: but you're not just seventy five and a big shark

1218
01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:30,960
Speaker 1: swims up to you, which we saw that yesterday, and

1219
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:33,639
Speaker 1: like that can really take a lot of oxygen out

1220
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:36,160
Speaker 1: of you right there is just having that reaction of

1221
01:14:36,240 --> 01:14:42,360
Speaker 1: fear um or you shule burn oxygen anytime you get flustered,

1222
01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:47,360
Speaker 1: Um that burns a lot of oxygen. And or having

1223
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:50,840
Speaker 1: if I shot a fish and it ends up fighting me,

1224
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:53,320
Speaker 1: ends up tangling on a rock. You know, all of

1225
01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:57,360
Speaker 1: that at depth can just wipe you out. So it's

1226
01:14:57,479 --> 01:15:03,000
Speaker 1: um something you gotta do carefully, can you uh you

1227
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:05,640
Speaker 1: know you said if you can't bring a fish in

1228
01:15:06,400 --> 01:15:08,519
Speaker 1: within a minute and a half, but you don't have

1229
01:15:09,240 --> 01:15:12,439
Speaker 1: you're not like throwing lures or bait or anything to

1230
01:15:12,479 --> 01:15:15,960
Speaker 1: bring fish in, because can you explain what bringing fish

1231
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:19,439
Speaker 1: in means totally, and it was so fun to watch

1232
01:15:19,479 --> 01:15:21,960
Speaker 1: you both learned that over the past few days. Is

1233
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:25,439
Speaker 1: because a lot of people think that to hunt to fish,

1234
01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:27,680
Speaker 1: you know, just hold your breath in, swim up to

1235
01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:32,120
Speaker 1: a fish, and go shoot it. At some times Chester

1236
01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:36,400
Speaker 1: is just on them. They know he's on them. Sometimes

1237
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:40,599
Speaker 1: that might work and he's just on them. But most

1238
01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:44,640
Speaker 1: of the time, like with smart fish or you know,

1239
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:48,000
Speaker 1: really nice fish that you want to get, um, that's

1240
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:50,800
Speaker 1: they're not going to stand for that. That you can't

1241
01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:53,600
Speaker 1: outswim a fish, and so if you start swimming towards it,

1242
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:56,680
Speaker 1: they're just gonna outswim you and go away. Um. And

1243
01:15:56,720 --> 01:16:00,080
Speaker 1: so my strategy is I just I go to a

1244
01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:02,720
Speaker 1: bottom and and I know they can see me. It's

1245
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:05,880
Speaker 1: not like it's not like I really am trying not

1246
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:07,840
Speaker 1: to let them see me. I actually want them to

1247
01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:10,599
Speaker 1: see me. And I land on the bottom. But then

1248
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:12,880
Speaker 1: that's when I just try and I try to melt

1249
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:15,759
Speaker 1: into the bottom. I try and just mold my body

1250
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:18,960
Speaker 1: around wherever I'm lying, if it's on a rock or

1251
01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:21,040
Speaker 1: in a sand pocket, I try and just become a

1252
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:24,080
Speaker 1: part of that environment so that they see this creature

1253
01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:27,200
Speaker 1: come down and then they kind of see it disappear

1254
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:30,679
Speaker 1: because that's going to peak their curiosity. That's gonna make

1255
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:33,439
Speaker 1: them want to see what was that, you know. And

1256
01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:36,840
Speaker 1: and then I hide my eyes. That's important because the

1257
01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:40,080
Speaker 1: minute they see my big old eyeball is looking at them,

1258
01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:42,479
Speaker 1: that can really freak them out. So if I just

1259
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:45,240
Speaker 1: keep hiding my eyes, they'll keep wanting to see them

1260
01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:47,760
Speaker 1: because I feel like when you make eye contact, that's

1261
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:51,800
Speaker 1: like a part of recognizing, you know, And so so

1262
01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:53,679
Speaker 1: I don't want them to see my eyes. I'm always

1263
01:16:53,680 --> 01:16:55,360
Speaker 1: trying to hide my eyes, so I'm always kind of

1264
01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:58,240
Speaker 1: turning away, and it makes it like this passive or

1265
01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:02,519
Speaker 1: shy looking body language, and that can definitely bring them in.

1266
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:05,720
Speaker 1: But there's also just tricks of fluffing sand, you know,

1267
01:17:05,840 --> 01:17:08,519
Speaker 1: just taking sand and just throwing up clouds of sand. Again,

1268
01:17:08,920 --> 01:17:11,400
Speaker 1: even that I want to do it so gently because

1269
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:13,680
Speaker 1: I don't want to burn out my energy, and just

1270
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:16,760
Speaker 1: this motion of fluffing sand, there's sometimes where I'm like, oh,

1271
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:20,519
Speaker 1: that was a little too powerful, you know, like calm

1272
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:23,200
Speaker 1: it down, Kimmy, Like, don't waste your energy. But so

1273
01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:27,120
Speaker 1: you want to use the least amount of energy possible

1274
01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:30,479
Speaker 1: to do things like fluff sand or just to kind

1275
01:17:30,479 --> 01:17:34,000
Speaker 1: of scratch the rock, scratch the coral um, do things

1276
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:36,960
Speaker 1: like that, because all they mimic things. You know, the

1277
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:40,160
Speaker 1: sand it mimics when a stingray is feeding at the

1278
01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:43,639
Speaker 1: bottom because its wings are flapping and it's fluffing sand

1279
01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:47,160
Speaker 1: and it's overturning food and nutrients that fish come in

1280
01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:49,760
Speaker 1: and want to eat, so it's mimicking that. Or if

1281
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:52,280
Speaker 1: you like scratch rocks together, mimics fish that eat off

1282
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:55,120
Speaker 1: the rocks, and and so all that kind of stuff

1283
01:17:55,160 --> 01:17:58,920
Speaker 1: will also help bring fish into you. When you're saying

1284
01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:03,080
Speaker 1: that you don't care about that, you'll come down. You're

1285
01:18:03,200 --> 01:18:07,400
Speaker 1: you're not trying to like hide your arrival, right if

1286
01:18:07,439 --> 01:18:09,439
Speaker 1: you were just in the last couple of days, when

1287
01:18:09,439 --> 01:18:12,280
Speaker 1: you're fishing together, if you're looking down and you're you're

1288
01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:18,439
Speaker 1: looking down ut below you a surgeon fish, you don't um,

1289
01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:22,000
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, looking down on a parrot fish. Give me

1290
01:18:22,040 --> 01:18:27,920
Speaker 1: the word um. So you don't think you're gonna drop

1291
01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:30,760
Speaker 1: down way over here and then creep in there. You're

1292
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:32,559
Speaker 1: just like, I'm just here and I'm gonna melt to

1293
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:34,200
Speaker 1: the bottom and I'm not even gonna try to like,

1294
01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:36,880
Speaker 1: you can do both. You can? You do try to

1295
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:39,680
Speaker 1: stalk in? Um, you do, try to sneak up on.

1296
01:18:40,160 --> 01:18:43,000
Speaker 1: We didn't do too much of that these past few days,

1297
01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:48,040
Speaker 1: but I definitely do that well. Sometimes drop in one

1298
01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:52,559
Speaker 1: area and then just slither slither, you know, around the

1299
01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:55,320
Speaker 1: rocks and creep in. I try. I try what I'm

1300
01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:56,920
Speaker 1: on the bottom. I trying not to kick too much,

1301
01:18:56,960 --> 01:18:59,559
Speaker 1: so if I can just kind of pull myself forward, Um,

1302
01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:02,479
Speaker 1: I'll use my hands and do that. Um. But yeah,

1303
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:05,080
Speaker 1: a lot of times I do. I stay low and

1304
01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:07,960
Speaker 1: I creep in. Does it work too? Because I always

1305
01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:09,720
Speaker 1: I don't think I ever did it successfully? But does

1306
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:11,639
Speaker 1: it work? To be like the fish goes behind a rock,

1307
01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:14,679
Speaker 1: you like, now's my chance? Yeah, so you can really

1308
01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:16,519
Speaker 1: like get away with something. He doesn't know what went

1309
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:19,760
Speaker 1: on thinking I was going to do that, but I

1310
01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:22,040
Speaker 1: don't know that I did that. Yeah. I mean it's

1311
01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:24,240
Speaker 1: it's trickier than you think because a lot of times

1312
01:19:24,240 --> 01:19:26,479
Speaker 1: they're onto you and they're going behind that rock to

1313
01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:28,719
Speaker 1: make you think they're coming around, and they're just digging

1314
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:30,880
Speaker 1: out the other way. But every once in a while

1315
01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:33,920
Speaker 1: you can find one that's just not quite paying attention

1316
01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:37,360
Speaker 1: to you and you can see oh and definitely once

1317
01:19:37,400 --> 01:19:39,559
Speaker 1: you see them tuck away where they can't see you,

1318
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:41,839
Speaker 1: that's when you make your move, and you make it quickly.

1319
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:46,240
Speaker 1: If they're not looking, you move fast. I think it's

1320
01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:51,799
Speaker 1: hard to describe. So like if if you're a hunter,

1321
01:19:52,680 --> 01:19:56,240
Speaker 1: archery or rifle really in a place where you spot

1322
01:19:56,240 --> 01:20:00,680
Speaker 1: in stock game. The what we were hunt fish in

1323
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:05,839
Speaker 1: was a very spot and stockable zone. So there's lots

1324
01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:11,280
Speaker 1: of variation and the landscape. There's drops, there's rises, there's

1325
01:20:11,360 --> 01:20:16,320
Speaker 1: there's little passes in the rocks, there's um lots of

1326
01:20:16,360 --> 01:20:22,479
Speaker 1: opportunity to to get behind things and and try to creep.

1327
01:20:23,160 --> 01:20:27,080
Speaker 1: But it's so it's like looking through spotting scope when

1328
01:20:27,120 --> 01:20:30,520
Speaker 1: you're looking at it from the surface, um through your goggles,

1329
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:34,120
Speaker 1: things get flat and then when you get down on

1330
01:20:34,160 --> 01:20:38,160
Speaker 1: the bottom, it's amazing how all this how big it is,

1331
01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:44,640
Speaker 1: how big the terrain is um and it just I

1332
01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:47,720
Speaker 1: have like a finite finite amount of drops in me

1333
01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:50,960
Speaker 1: like breaking from the surface and getting on bottom, and

1334
01:20:51,320 --> 01:20:53,559
Speaker 1: you're trying to squeeze all the knowledge out of all

1335
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:56,400
Speaker 1: of those drops to be more effective on your next one.

1336
01:20:57,320 --> 01:21:01,599
Speaker 1: But it's it's amazing when you get that the idea

1337
01:21:01,640 --> 01:21:06,960
Speaker 1: of how big that bottom topography is, and then it's like,

1338
01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:09,519
Speaker 1: oh god, how do I keep track of where that was?

1339
01:21:10,040 --> 01:21:12,559
Speaker 1: It's amazing to even hear you say that, because I

1340
01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:17,000
Speaker 1: feel like most people beginning at diving they don't even

1341
01:21:17,160 --> 01:21:20,360
Speaker 1: get that, Like they don't even get it at all,

1342
01:21:20,680 --> 01:21:24,080
Speaker 1: Like they're so fixated on the fact that they see

1343
01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:26,240
Speaker 1: a fish or they have to hold their breath and there.

1344
01:21:26,520 --> 01:21:30,240
Speaker 1: It's just the way that you guys were able to

1345
01:21:30,439 --> 01:21:35,360
Speaker 1: actually take the time to read the environment. It's it's

1346
01:21:35,400 --> 01:21:37,920
Speaker 1: it's so cool. It really just showed me how much

1347
01:21:38,240 --> 01:21:42,160
Speaker 1: hunting on land has to cross over because that's everything,

1348
01:21:42,439 --> 01:21:44,639
Speaker 1: you know. It's like that time when you're just like

1349
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:47,360
Speaker 1: on the surface kind of checking out what you can

1350
01:21:47,360 --> 01:21:51,599
Speaker 1: see below and um and planning your job, planning like

1351
01:21:51,960 --> 01:21:54,880
Speaker 1: how you're going to approach, where you're gonna land, what

1352
01:21:55,040 --> 01:21:57,240
Speaker 1: shadows you're going to use, what structure you're gonna use

1353
01:21:57,240 --> 01:22:02,000
Speaker 1: In one like you have to pay attention because some

1354
01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:04,040
Speaker 1: rocks are way too big where if you land right

1355
01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:05,599
Speaker 1: in front of them, think it's a good hiding place,

1356
01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:08,439
Speaker 1: but you just blocked out your vision completely. It does

1357
01:22:08,479 --> 01:22:10,639
Speaker 1: you know, good? You know, and you guys are really

1358
01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:15,679
Speaker 1: choosing good approaches and good hiding places. Yea. And in lhunting,

1359
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:19,240
Speaker 1: I'd always tell people that's a good spot to view nature,

1360
01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:24,160
Speaker 1: but we're here to kill nature. Like when you bear

1361
01:22:24,240 --> 01:22:26,479
Speaker 1: yourself into a treat and then you realize that there's

1362
01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:28,679
Speaker 1: nothing you can do. It's like a good good job

1363
01:22:29,960 --> 01:22:32,800
Speaker 1: you kind of laid out when you were laying out

1364
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:35,680
Speaker 1: our our trip. I knew we had a few days. Um,

1365
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:38,160
Speaker 1: you laid out a sort of progression for us, and

1366
01:22:38,200 --> 01:22:40,679
Speaker 1: it was a progression in terms of what we were after,

1367
01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:45,360
Speaker 1: how um, the conditions we were after it in the

1368
01:22:45,400 --> 01:22:51,120
Speaker 1: equipment we used. Can you walk through that progression? Definitely?

1369
01:22:51,160 --> 01:22:54,400
Speaker 1: And I really respect that you guys actually did it

1370
01:22:54,479 --> 01:22:58,400
Speaker 1: in that way where we started off, you know, basically

1371
01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:03,840
Speaker 1: with three prongs, you know, looking looking under rocks, looking

1372
01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:06,439
Speaker 1: for a small fry fish that that you really got

1373
01:23:06,439 --> 01:23:08,800
Speaker 1: to get close to you and m with a three

1374
01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:12,120
Speaker 1: prong a simple poll spear. There's no sugar mechanism, nothing

1375
01:23:12,160 --> 01:23:14,800
Speaker 1: like that. Just a rubber band on one end and

1376
01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:17,360
Speaker 1: three prongs on the other. And it's all human power.

1377
01:23:17,479 --> 01:23:20,840
Speaker 1: You have to hold it to keep it cocked. And um,

1378
01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:22,840
Speaker 1: you really have to get close to your prey, like

1379
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:25,519
Speaker 1: you have to sometimes just get in there, let your

1380
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:28,080
Speaker 1: eyes are I think it isn't. And if you have

1381
01:23:28,160 --> 01:23:30,400
Speaker 1: like an eight foot poll spear, what do you think

1382
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:33,160
Speaker 1: it is in inches? I mean you're close close? Oh yeah,

1383
01:23:33,240 --> 01:23:36,720
Speaker 1: i'd say, I mean I wouldn't. I wouldn't take a

1384
01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:39,920
Speaker 1: shot more than three ft away. That would be really far,

1385
01:23:40,320 --> 01:23:42,360
Speaker 1: really far. Yeah. I just say a lot of that

1386
01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:45,320
Speaker 1: stuff is I feel like you're you're eighteen inches away

1387
01:23:45,320 --> 01:23:48,439
Speaker 1: from it. Yeah, even closer. Yeah, like the spear point

1388
01:23:48,479 --> 01:23:51,759
Speaker 1: is is close. It's not even not even really like aiming.

1389
01:23:51,760 --> 01:23:56,599
Speaker 1: You're kind of you're kind of pinning and pointing with

1390
01:23:56,680 --> 01:24:00,000
Speaker 1: your finger. You would be making them very uncomfortable. You've

1391
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:03,599
Speaker 1: in their personal's face. That's good. But what I like

1392
01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:07,000
Speaker 1: about that is that you have to get that close

1393
01:24:07,040 --> 01:24:09,920
Speaker 1: to your prey and then you your prey. You know,

1394
01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:13,800
Speaker 1: these little fish they dart, they dart back and forth. Yeah,

1395
01:24:14,040 --> 01:24:16,880
Speaker 1: and and then it really tests like kind of your

1396
01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:20,200
Speaker 1: instincts and your reactions because the minute you let go

1397
01:24:20,720 --> 01:24:23,719
Speaker 1: of that spirit and let it fly, like you're committing

1398
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:26,960
Speaker 1: to you know, to hitting that fish. And so you're

1399
01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:30,280
Speaker 1: really kind of leading the fish where you think it's

1400
01:24:30,280 --> 01:24:33,519
Speaker 1: gonna go, or just like you know, letting go when

1401
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:36,800
Speaker 1: you think they're gonna stop. And and then when you

1402
01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:39,960
Speaker 1: do that, it's not over. Like it's just a three

1403
01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:42,960
Speaker 1: prong and so oftentimes you gotta then pin your fish

1404
01:24:43,280 --> 01:24:45,519
Speaker 1: and pounce like a cat. And so I just think,

1405
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:51,160
Speaker 1: like just really honing those like responses, those like quick

1406
01:24:51,479 --> 01:24:56,520
Speaker 1: reactions are are so good to just hone your overall

1407
01:24:56,880 --> 01:25:00,719
Speaker 1: hunting vibe. But then the next step what we after

1408
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:04,000
Speaker 1: three prongings, we did get spear guns and trying to

1409
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:09,760
Speaker 1: hold different technique which is so much less aggressive you know,

1410
01:25:09,840 --> 01:25:13,760
Speaker 1: where it's stalking and it's waiting. And it doesn't mean

1411
01:25:13,800 --> 01:25:18,280
Speaker 1: it's at all easier because it's just a different technique, um,

1412
01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:23,000
Speaker 1: but I think that it's a really good progression to

1413
01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:27,040
Speaker 1: have to kind of start off like super primitive and

1414
01:25:27,160 --> 01:25:32,200
Speaker 1: just like instincts and jumping and you know and doing

1415
01:25:32,240 --> 01:25:34,800
Speaker 1: whatever you can throwing yourself at those fish. Really and

1416
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:37,120
Speaker 1: you guys were throwing yourself on dry reef at some points,

1417
01:25:37,240 --> 01:25:40,479
Speaker 1: you know, um to then having to switch it and

1418
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:46,240
Speaker 1: go to this like much more stealthy, much more quiet,

1419
01:25:46,720 --> 01:25:51,720
Speaker 1: much like less movement um type of hunting, and the

1420
01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:56,840
Speaker 1: spear gun will obviously give you more range, but um,

1421
01:25:56,880 --> 01:25:59,439
Speaker 1: I think that's just a really good way to keep

1422
01:25:59,479 --> 01:26:03,320
Speaker 1: stepping it up. Then, So go on to the next

1423
01:26:04,520 --> 01:26:06,800
Speaker 1: stage though, And also, can you help me with the

1424
01:26:06,920 --> 01:26:08,920
Speaker 1: what what the hell is that? Because we grew up

1425
01:26:09,320 --> 01:26:10,840
Speaker 1: when I was ten years old, I came to Hawaii

1426
01:26:10,840 --> 01:26:12,959
Speaker 1: and my family, my dad had He was a salesman,

1427
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:16,240
Speaker 1: like sold insurance, and he sold enough insurance like win

1428
01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:19,400
Speaker 1: a trip through Metropolitan Life. I don't know if that's

1429
01:26:19,400 --> 01:26:22,720
Speaker 1: even still a company. He sold enough insurance to win

1430
01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:24,599
Speaker 1: a trip to Hawaii. So when I was Tammy came

1431
01:26:24,640 --> 01:26:28,880
Speaker 1: to Hawaiian he bought us a spear and I remember

1432
01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:30,960
Speaker 1: my brother coming in and had a giant, puffed up

1433
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:33,439
Speaker 1: puffer fish on the end of that thing. But we

1434
01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:35,680
Speaker 1: took it home with us and realized that it was

1435
01:26:35,800 --> 01:26:38,880
Speaker 1: very effective on blue gills, but very illegal, and we

1436
01:26:38,920 --> 01:26:43,240
Speaker 1: grew up calling it the Hawaiian sling. But that's not

1437
01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:46,000
Speaker 1: what it is. It's I mean, people call it that

1438
01:26:46,080 --> 01:26:48,800
Speaker 1: all the time, and when they do, I know that

1439
01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:54,080
Speaker 1: they're referring to a three pronged post bear. But Hawaiian

1440
01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:57,919
Speaker 1: slings are a little different because they're more like these

1441
01:26:58,120 --> 01:27:01,360
Speaker 1: these old style like hinge guys that would have shafts

1442
01:27:01,360 --> 01:27:04,840
Speaker 1: that would just like free fly like bow and arrow

1443
01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:10,160
Speaker 1: kind and hit your fish. Um and and and I yeah,

1444
01:27:10,240 --> 01:27:14,400
Speaker 1: but so a three prong isn't really necessarily it's really

1445
01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:17,000
Speaker 1: the term as a pole spear. And it has a

1446
01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:18,880
Speaker 1: three pronged head on it. Yes, it's a poll spear.

1447
01:27:20,240 --> 01:27:22,040
Speaker 1: And then talk a little bit about the different species

1448
01:27:22,080 --> 01:27:26,160
Speaker 1: we were after. So we started off going after um

1449
01:27:26,360 --> 01:27:30,559
Speaker 1: manpachi um which live in the holes and have big guys.

1450
01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:34,360
Speaker 1: That's what the three prong and cole is on surgeon

1451
01:27:34,479 --> 01:27:38,200
Speaker 1: fish um. But then we then we moved up and

1452
01:27:38,240 --> 01:27:40,920
Speaker 1: we said, okay, today our goal is going to be

1453
01:27:41,200 --> 01:27:45,479
Speaker 1: parrot fish, who and and para fisher are tough to

1454
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:49,639
Speaker 1: shoot in Hawaii. There's something where a lot of other

1455
01:27:49,680 --> 01:27:52,280
Speaker 1: species are gonna kind of come in and you gotta

1456
01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:54,640
Speaker 1: let them come and you just gotta wait and and

1457
01:27:54,680 --> 01:27:56,080
Speaker 1: if you take a shot at any of them, the

1458
01:27:56,120 --> 01:27:57,680
Speaker 1: parrot fish will go away. So you just kind of

1459
01:27:57,680 --> 01:27:59,439
Speaker 1: have to wait and pass and wait and pass. And

1460
01:27:59,439 --> 01:28:03,080
Speaker 1: that parrot fish well eventually maybe come in. But even

1461
01:28:03,120 --> 01:28:07,280
Speaker 1: the way that they swim, it's like it's something that

1462
01:28:07,400 --> 01:28:11,280
Speaker 1: um it isn't always the easiest to track, especially i'd

1463
01:28:11,320 --> 01:28:15,240
Speaker 1: say in shallower waters, like swinging a gun around in

1464
01:28:15,280 --> 01:28:20,040
Speaker 1: the shallows, it just um, it gets a little more difficult.

1465
01:28:20,479 --> 01:28:24,599
Speaker 1: And so yeah, we went after parrot fish and um.

1466
01:28:24,680 --> 01:28:27,599
Speaker 1: And then after we accomplished that, then we went after

1467
01:28:28,439 --> 01:28:32,959
Speaker 1: after job fish in the deep. Explain that whole process,

1468
01:28:33,040 --> 01:28:35,479
Speaker 1: because that was kind of interesting. Wasn't that fine? It

1469
01:28:35,600 --> 01:28:39,200
Speaker 1: was just so with that we went out. We went

1470
01:28:39,200 --> 01:28:41,400
Speaker 1: out to this drop off. We went out to like

1471
01:28:41,479 --> 01:28:45,080
Speaker 1: this sixty ft ledge that drops off into the blue

1472
01:28:45,320 --> 01:28:49,479
Speaker 1: and um, and that's a really good place to get

1473
01:28:49,560 --> 01:28:51,559
Speaker 1: job fish or or how we call them, you know

1474
01:28:51,680 --> 01:28:56,479
Speaker 1: uku in Hawaii, um gray snappers. And what we did

1475
01:28:56,520 --> 01:29:00,280
Speaker 1: we we brought out some bait and just started breaking

1476
01:29:00,280 --> 01:29:02,439
Speaker 1: off pieces and letting them fall to the bottom. And

1477
01:29:02,560 --> 01:29:06,280
Speaker 1: our goal was to get the uku to leave the

1478
01:29:06,320 --> 01:29:10,280
Speaker 1: bottom and come up and start eating the chum so

1479
01:29:10,360 --> 01:29:12,960
Speaker 1: that you guys say, just go down and shoot him

1480
01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:15,960
Speaker 1: from the surface shoodn't below the surface. That was that

1481
01:29:16,040 --> 01:29:17,519
Speaker 1: was the goal. On when it was amazing that we

1482
01:29:17,600 --> 01:29:21,040
Speaker 1: actually did get to see that. But they get smart

1483
01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:22,920
Speaker 1: so fast. I have to say, this is where like

1484
01:29:22,960 --> 01:29:28,040
Speaker 1: your calm, confident explanation of what was going to happen

1485
01:29:28,320 --> 01:29:34,599
Speaker 1: at the point may have um maybe cost us one

1486
01:29:34,760 --> 01:29:39,000
Speaker 1: encounter because it was like, Okay, so what's gonna happen

1487
01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:41,479
Speaker 1: is we're gonna go out, We're gonna start dropping little

1488
01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:45,920
Speaker 1: bits of chum these sardines, and then the trigger fish

1489
01:29:45,960 --> 01:29:48,720
Speaker 1: are gonna come in, and then some other fish are

1490
01:29:48,720 --> 01:29:51,680
Speaker 1: going to come in, and then the gray snappers going

1491
01:29:51,720 --> 01:29:54,040
Speaker 1: to kind of come in, and then then they're gonna

1492
01:29:54,080 --> 01:29:56,639
Speaker 1: get kind of competitive, and then they're gonna start eating

1493
01:29:56,720 --> 01:29:59,920
Speaker 1: up the chain. And it just like read out exact

1494
01:30:00,040 --> 01:30:02,840
Speaker 1: clear that way, like in a book, like and I

1495
01:30:02,920 --> 01:30:05,160
Speaker 1: think Steve and I were both sitting there like okay,

1496
01:30:05,160 --> 01:30:07,000
Speaker 1: so now the snapper are here, So what's going to

1497
01:30:07,080 --> 01:30:09,559
Speaker 1: happen in no time? And I was like, holy man,

1498
01:30:09,600 --> 01:30:12,840
Speaker 1: we're gonna get a lot of But I also said,

1499
01:30:13,320 --> 01:30:15,080
Speaker 1: I also said, and then they're going to go away,

1500
01:30:15,439 --> 01:30:17,519
Speaker 1: and then they're gonna get smart, Like I also said,

1501
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:20,519
Speaker 1: like they're gonna come up, they're gonna do this, but

1502
01:30:20,640 --> 01:30:26,080
Speaker 1: after a while, like they're gonna get smart. And but yeah,

1503
01:30:26,240 --> 01:30:28,360
Speaker 1: that really happened fast. But yeah, it was one of

1504
01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:32,840
Speaker 1: those moments where when that big there's two of them,

1505
01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:34,879
Speaker 1: but one was just extra big when when I started

1506
01:30:34,920 --> 01:30:37,800
Speaker 1: coming up and doing its thing in like fifteen feet

1507
01:30:37,800 --> 01:30:41,160
Speaker 1: of water. Like if I could have been whispering in

1508
01:30:41,200 --> 01:30:43,240
Speaker 1: your ear, I would have just been saying, go go, go,

1509
01:30:43,240 --> 01:30:45,639
Speaker 1: go go. But you know, I don't want to freak

1510
01:30:45,680 --> 01:30:51,200
Speaker 1: you out. It's also new and it's hard to respond, right. Well,

1511
01:30:51,240 --> 01:30:55,080
Speaker 1: it's it's it's I mean, I have only recently dabbled

1512
01:30:55,400 --> 01:30:59,360
Speaker 1: in bow hunting, and I freeze sometimes, you know, when

1513
01:30:59,360 --> 01:31:02,519
Speaker 1: the opportunity is there. But the thing about spear fishing

1514
01:31:03,360 --> 01:31:05,720
Speaker 1: is that you also have to hold your breath, you know,

1515
01:31:05,960 --> 01:31:08,240
Speaker 1: And that's like, I feel like a whole another level

1516
01:31:08,320 --> 01:31:12,120
Speaker 1: when you get excited and you just realize like, oh

1517
01:31:12,160 --> 01:31:14,720
Speaker 1: my gosh, there's a fish. Okay, I gotta go and

1518
01:31:14,760 --> 01:31:17,040
Speaker 1: I gotta get ready, But then you actually have to

1519
01:31:17,080 --> 01:31:21,120
Speaker 1: think about leaving this beautiful thing called air. That really

1520
01:31:21,640 --> 01:31:25,200
Speaker 1: it's nice when you're kind of excited and you know, flustered,

1521
01:31:25,360 --> 01:31:29,320
Speaker 1: it's nice to breathe. Um. So it is a lot

1522
01:31:29,439 --> 01:31:33,920
Speaker 1: too to go for it. But um but yeah, there's

1523
01:31:33,920 --> 01:31:37,400
Speaker 1: some opportunities where it's like, you know, if you're hunting

1524
01:31:37,400 --> 01:31:39,439
Speaker 1: the reef and you see that parrot fish, where yeah,

1525
01:31:39,479 --> 01:31:41,840
Speaker 1: you can wait, you can plant you can wait till

1526
01:31:41,880 --> 01:31:44,680
Speaker 1: you're ready, and then the opportunities like yesterday, when that

1527
01:31:44,720 --> 01:31:47,559
Speaker 1: fish comes up from the depth, it's like, nope, sorry,

1528
01:31:47,560 --> 01:31:49,960
Speaker 1: you gotta some way. It's gotta go now. You don't

1529
01:31:50,000 --> 01:31:56,280
Speaker 1: have time. You just I think it warrant, like we

1530
01:31:56,320 --> 01:32:00,360
Speaker 1: have to bring up just how clear the the water

1531
01:32:00,479 --> 01:32:02,160
Speaker 1: so clear, it's it's kind of gets not there. I

1532
01:32:02,200 --> 01:32:03,879
Speaker 1: mean it is, but it's kind of it's not there.

1533
01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:05,800
Speaker 1: But you can be at the surface where we were

1534
01:32:05,840 --> 01:32:09,679
Speaker 1: in sevent water when you can see the rocks, you're

1535
01:32:09,720 --> 01:32:11,760
Speaker 1: you're you're in seventy five ft of water, but you're

1536
01:32:11,800 --> 01:32:14,160
Speaker 1: looking and if a fish did the right thing on

1537
01:32:14,240 --> 01:32:16,559
Speaker 1: the bottom, you would see it there. I mean, there's

1538
01:32:16,560 --> 01:32:19,720
Speaker 1: things you're gonna miss, but you could like feasibly see it.

1539
01:32:19,760 --> 01:32:21,960
Speaker 1: And it was overcast, so I can only imagine it

1540
01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:24,400
Speaker 1: feels full sun what you see. But you can see

1541
01:32:24,479 --> 01:32:28,880
Speaker 1: down that deep and Kimmy is taking anchovies right and

1542
01:32:28,880 --> 01:32:30,960
Speaker 1: you're breaking them in a half or breaking them in thirds,

1543
01:32:31,720 --> 01:32:34,280
Speaker 1: and they fall very slowly. They kind of create like

1544
01:32:34,320 --> 01:32:38,519
Speaker 1: a slimy cloud of scales. So you got to move

1545
01:32:38,560 --> 01:32:41,240
Speaker 1: off to the side because if you're looking down, like

1546
01:32:41,280 --> 01:32:43,200
Speaker 1: if you imagine you're in the water and you're dropping

1547
01:32:43,240 --> 01:32:45,800
Speaker 1: something that's falling slowly. If you're looking down the sort

1548
01:32:45,840 --> 01:32:49,200
Speaker 1: of shaft created by its descent, there's a lot of

1549
01:32:49,240 --> 01:32:53,120
Speaker 1: oil and scale which obscures your vision, so you want

1550
01:32:53,120 --> 01:32:55,519
Speaker 1: to you move off to the side, and then you're

1551
01:32:55,560 --> 01:32:59,759
Speaker 1: kind of you're you're peering in at this the cylinder

1552
01:33:00,320 --> 01:33:04,479
Speaker 1: stuff dropping um. And when something first shows up at

1553
01:33:04,520 --> 01:33:08,960
Speaker 1: the bottom, it's like when you hear I always talk

1554
01:33:08,960 --> 01:33:11,080
Speaker 1: about this. It's like if you hear a turkey gobble

1555
01:33:11,160 --> 01:33:13,720
Speaker 1: way off, or you hear it vehicle way off. You

1556
01:33:14,080 --> 01:33:16,439
Speaker 1: know it's there, but you don't. You look to your

1557
01:33:16,479 --> 01:33:20,560
Speaker 1: buddy to be like, did I just hear that? And

1558
01:33:20,640 --> 01:33:24,080
Speaker 1: the first fish you see, I'm like, you know, it

1559
01:33:24,160 --> 01:33:28,519
Speaker 1: catches you where you think you're hallucinating, And I remember Cali,

1560
01:33:28,640 --> 01:33:30,400
Speaker 1: like you saw one and I couldn't see it, and

1561
01:33:30,400 --> 01:33:32,200
Speaker 1: it's frustrating, but also in there it is. And then

1562
01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:35,599
Speaker 1: you guys are so good at shapes. I don't even

1563
01:33:35,560 --> 01:33:37,719
Speaker 1: know what the hell I'm looking at. When those sharks

1564
01:33:37,760 --> 01:33:40,200
Speaker 1: showed up, I'm like, hey, I know that fish, but

1565
01:33:40,240 --> 01:33:41,559
Speaker 1: I was like a lot of times you're like, I

1566
01:33:41,560 --> 01:33:43,960
Speaker 1: don't know, man, And then i'd get all excited about

1567
01:33:43,960 --> 01:33:46,760
Speaker 1: a shape and you you kind of like be like,

1568
01:33:46,840 --> 01:33:49,680
Speaker 1: that's not the right shape. And so the one thing

1569
01:33:49,720 --> 01:33:51,640
Speaker 1: that did show up that I like the second just

1570
01:33:51,680 --> 01:33:55,040
Speaker 1: because my very limited ocean experience, a tuna showed up

1571
01:33:55,040 --> 01:33:59,280
Speaker 1: in there and I was like, you know, and you

1572
01:33:59,280 --> 01:34:06,599
Speaker 1: were very much yeah that that was incredible. The sky

1573
01:34:08,040 --> 01:34:12,200
Speaker 1: and he just in there having his day so different

1574
01:34:12,479 --> 01:34:15,679
Speaker 1: from the other fish, Like it's almost like there's no fear,

1575
01:34:15,920 --> 01:34:19,160
Speaker 1: just bursting and shaking in there and these diagonal patterns

1576
01:34:19,200 --> 01:34:21,439
Speaker 1: and just coming right up to us because he's just

1577
01:34:21,520 --> 01:34:25,160
Speaker 1: so fast. And I drove, I've dove down to try

1578
01:34:25,200 --> 01:34:27,680
Speaker 1: to like and I got down eye level with him

1579
01:34:27,720 --> 01:34:30,080
Speaker 1: and this sun I hadn't thought of. But he's moving

1580
01:34:30,120 --> 01:34:34,000
Speaker 1: so quickly. The gun I had as a ninety I

1581
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:36,960
Speaker 1: think it's a ninety ninety. What is it? It's a

1582
01:34:37,240 --> 01:34:41,000
Speaker 1: ninety shafts, but what is the measurement? I can't remember.

1583
01:34:41,960 --> 01:34:45,879
Speaker 1: It is okay, um, the fish is moving so fast

1584
01:34:46,120 --> 01:34:49,080
Speaker 1: and the resistance of the water is strong enough you

1585
01:34:49,200 --> 01:34:53,240
Speaker 1: can't track it. Like if he comes swinging by, you're

1586
01:34:53,240 --> 01:34:55,160
Speaker 1: not It's like you're shooting at a duck where you're

1587
01:34:55,160 --> 01:34:58,160
Speaker 1: like swing your shotgun through his line of travel, you

1588
01:34:58,240 --> 01:35:02,320
Speaker 1: physically can't move the gun on fast enough to track it,

1589
01:35:02,360 --> 01:35:03,720
Speaker 1: and so you're kind of like in this sort of

1590
01:35:03,760 --> 01:35:08,719
Speaker 1: intercepting it. And if I had had five minutes of breath,

1591
01:35:08,920 --> 01:35:11,360
Speaker 1: I would have gotten a I mean I took a

1592
01:35:11,400 --> 01:35:16,000
Speaker 1: hail mary at it. Yeah, that wasn't a hail mary.

1593
01:35:16,080 --> 01:35:19,800
Speaker 1: That was every one of us that we were watching you.

1594
01:35:19,960 --> 01:35:21,720
Speaker 1: We all thought it was in the bag. And that

1595
01:35:21,920 --> 01:35:24,439
Speaker 1: was justin woke up this boy. The first thing you

1596
01:35:24,479 --> 01:35:27,760
Speaker 1: said was God, oh my god, I would have been

1597
01:35:27,880 --> 01:35:30,559
Speaker 1: so cool if Steve just shot that. Do not like

1598
01:35:30,880 --> 01:35:34,599
Speaker 1: because it was that close like it was, that wasn't

1599
01:35:34,680 --> 01:35:37,040
Speaker 1: I would not because that's not a hail mary at all.

1600
01:35:37,600 --> 01:35:40,880
Speaker 1: That was like, oh, he's gonna get it. Like, but

1601
01:35:40,920 --> 01:35:44,040
Speaker 1: they're just so fast that even the people watching it

1602
01:35:44,080 --> 01:35:46,439
Speaker 1: happen from a distance, I think it's going to happen,

1603
01:35:46,960 --> 01:35:50,040
Speaker 1: and I just didn't, you know, speaking with Rick Smith

1604
01:35:50,120 --> 01:35:54,320
Speaker 1: about this situation, he made this comparison, which which is

1605
01:35:54,400 --> 01:35:59,360
Speaker 1: kind of right. It's like, oddly enough, the turkey hunting

1606
01:36:00,120 --> 01:36:05,160
Speaker 1: of the spear fishing world, where you get down there

1607
01:36:05,880 --> 01:36:08,040
Speaker 1: and you get set up in a certain direction for

1608
01:36:08,040 --> 01:36:12,240
Speaker 1: this turkey and the turkey's watching you so you can't.

1609
01:36:12,280 --> 01:36:15,000
Speaker 1: You can only move your guns so fast right, so

1610
01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:17,760
Speaker 1: you can't position yourself even though he's gobl into your

1611
01:36:17,840 --> 01:36:20,240
Speaker 1: right now and then to the left right you can

1612
01:36:20,280 --> 01:36:22,840
Speaker 1: do like how muchever you get all my situation pointed

1613
01:36:22,880 --> 01:36:26,400
Speaker 1: over that way exactly. Yeah, how do you can? You

1614
01:36:26,439 --> 01:36:30,360
Speaker 1: guys talk about how you know what the hell sharks

1615
01:36:30,439 --> 01:36:33,080
Speaker 1: or what, and then how you know what mood they're

1616
01:36:33,080 --> 01:36:37,280
Speaker 1: in and what their purposes are. I mean, I guess

1617
01:36:37,280 --> 01:36:42,479
Speaker 1: it's just it's a body language thing where if they

1618
01:36:42,520 --> 01:36:46,639
Speaker 1: come in and they're just like swimming slow, they seem calm.

1619
01:36:46,680 --> 01:36:48,960
Speaker 1: If their fins are kind of out like the wings

1620
01:36:48,960 --> 01:36:52,040
Speaker 1: of an airplane, that's a good sign that the sharks,

1621
01:36:53,120 --> 01:36:56,840
Speaker 1: you know, not really gonna attack or do anything to

1622
01:36:56,920 --> 01:37:02,759
Speaker 1: eggro Um when they are putting their fins down, putting

1623
01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:05,200
Speaker 1: them in a downwards and angle. If they start kind

1624
01:37:05,200 --> 01:37:09,320
Speaker 1: of arching their back, if they start um flexing their gills, um,

1625
01:37:09,439 --> 01:37:13,879
Speaker 1: that means they're pretty piste. And and if they're moving

1626
01:37:14,320 --> 01:37:18,920
Speaker 1: just really erratically and quickly and making these turns, um

1627
01:37:18,960 --> 01:37:24,040
Speaker 1: that that is not always a good sign either. Um

1628
01:37:24,080 --> 01:37:29,040
Speaker 1: off though sometimes Yeah, is it a competition thing, Yeah,

1629
01:37:29,200 --> 01:37:32,040
Speaker 1: it can be, so it can be territorial, it can

1630
01:37:32,080 --> 01:37:37,120
Speaker 1: definitely be Um. Some some sharks can just be big bullies,

1631
01:37:37,439 --> 01:37:40,639
Speaker 1: you know, and they just see you on their turf

1632
01:37:40,680 --> 01:37:44,840
Speaker 1: and they just, um, they just kind of want to

1633
01:37:44,840 --> 01:37:50,000
Speaker 1: bully you and um, and sometimes I feel like, yeah,

1634
01:37:50,040 --> 01:37:51,759
Speaker 1: they're they're the ones that just are there to steal

1635
01:37:51,760 --> 01:37:54,240
Speaker 1: your lunch, you know, so that they're coming in, they're

1636
01:37:54,320 --> 01:37:56,479
Speaker 1: checking you out, and they're telling you that they're the boss,

1637
01:37:56,520 --> 01:37:58,160
Speaker 1: and then if you shoot a fish, they're going to

1638
01:37:58,280 --> 01:38:00,640
Speaker 1: be the ones to take that fish. And still you

1639
01:38:00,800 --> 01:38:04,320
Speaker 1: kind of have to face the bully. And so that's

1640
01:38:04,320 --> 01:38:07,720
Speaker 1: why even with those, you know, the smaller sharks that

1641
01:38:07,760 --> 01:38:09,760
Speaker 1: you kind of just saw me going down there and

1642
01:38:09,840 --> 01:38:12,559
Speaker 1: just kind of tapping them, you know, I wasn't wasn't

1643
01:38:12,600 --> 01:38:14,840
Speaker 1: hurting them with it, poking them, but I was. I'm

1644
01:38:14,880 --> 01:38:17,320
Speaker 1: gonna interject here because that's not quite what I saw,

1645
01:38:19,520 --> 01:38:22,080
Speaker 1: because Yeah, from my perspective, was one of the favorite

1646
01:38:22,080 --> 01:38:24,760
Speaker 1: things I saw over a couple of days is in

1647
01:38:24,840 --> 01:38:30,520
Speaker 1: that you know, chum situation that Steve described very very well. Um,

1648
01:38:30,720 --> 01:38:34,639
Speaker 1: two black tip reef sharks came in and we're doing

1649
01:38:34,640 --> 01:38:37,920
Speaker 1: their thing, and to me, I saw it very clearly

1650
01:38:38,640 --> 01:38:43,400
Speaker 1: as the high school bully in the hallway, right, But

1651
01:38:43,520 --> 01:38:46,600
Speaker 1: in this scenario, Kimmy was the bully and she was

1652
01:38:46,640 --> 01:38:49,640
Speaker 1: swimming down and the black Tip was kind of like

1653
01:38:50,120 --> 01:38:52,600
Speaker 1: mixing around but gradually coming up, and they just like

1654
01:38:52,680 --> 01:38:55,639
Speaker 1: passed each other like two kids in the hallway, and

1655
01:38:55,800 --> 01:38:59,040
Speaker 1: she just gave that black tip a little elbow shot

1656
01:38:59,280 --> 01:39:07,200
Speaker 1: basically close. She kept going shark diverted this. I loved it.

1657
01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:08,800
Speaker 1: It was great. I got a shot of that, Like

1658
01:39:08,840 --> 01:39:10,320
Speaker 1: she just moved right through it, And I was like,

1659
01:39:10,360 --> 01:39:12,280
Speaker 1: did that thing hit her in the head, But she

1660
01:39:12,400 --> 01:39:14,280
Speaker 1: just like didn't even it didn't even phase her. She

1661
01:39:14,360 --> 01:39:18,720
Speaker 1: just by my head. So that's also why it was

1662
01:39:18,920 --> 01:39:23,000
Speaker 1: so close to what were you concerned when you asked

1663
01:39:23,000 --> 01:39:24,759
Speaker 1: her about that? I noticed that you asked her about

1664
01:39:24,960 --> 01:39:26,840
Speaker 1: how it came up to her face. Were you like

1665
01:39:26,960 --> 01:39:29,519
Speaker 1: concerned or you just curious? I was more curious. I

1666
01:39:29,520 --> 01:39:30,960
Speaker 1: was like, how close did you get to that thing?

1667
01:39:31,080 --> 01:39:33,200
Speaker 1: Because I don't know, I trust her. I have, like

1668
01:39:33,400 --> 01:39:36,360
Speaker 1: I feel safer with Kimmy in the water. Obviously she's

1669
01:39:36,360 --> 01:39:39,320
Speaker 1: taught me all that, but I have complete confidence in

1670
01:39:39,400 --> 01:39:42,880
Speaker 1: Kimmy in those circumstances where I do. I do have

1671
01:39:42,920 --> 01:39:45,599
Speaker 1: confidence by myself, but when I'm in the water with Kimmy,

1672
01:39:45,640 --> 01:39:48,840
Speaker 1: her knowledge is ridiculous. Even when we saw that bigger Galapagos,

1673
01:39:49,320 --> 01:39:50,760
Speaker 1: I was just like, hey, that's something I think I

1674
01:39:50,800 --> 01:39:52,960
Speaker 1: pointed to you. Ryan. I'm like, hey, that's something to

1675
01:39:53,000 --> 01:39:56,000
Speaker 1: just be aware of because it is decent size and

1676
01:39:56,040 --> 01:39:59,639
Speaker 1: it was moving quickly at the bottom of that laughed. Yeah.

1677
01:40:00,160 --> 01:40:02,880
Speaker 1: Was I was like, oh, man, like, because that one

1678
01:40:02,960 --> 01:40:05,559
Speaker 1: was a big shark, that was a goalopogus, and and

1679
01:40:05,640 --> 01:40:09,519
Speaker 1: the way that that one came in. But I also

1680
01:40:09,520 --> 01:40:12,599
Speaker 1: have to say, we're chumming, okay, so that's a different story.

1681
01:40:12,680 --> 01:40:16,200
Speaker 1: Like like I can't just call these sharks bullies. If

1682
01:40:16,240 --> 01:40:19,519
Speaker 1: I was just there minding my own business spear fishing

1683
01:40:19,600 --> 01:40:21,719
Speaker 1: or swimming, and the shark came in and started swimming

1684
01:40:21,760 --> 01:40:25,320
Speaker 1: like that, and then I'd be like, okay, like we

1685
01:40:25,400 --> 01:40:28,479
Speaker 1: really got a face off and and pay attention. When

1686
01:40:28,479 --> 01:40:30,439
Speaker 1: you say big shark, how do you what do you

1687
01:40:30,479 --> 01:40:33,600
Speaker 1: mean by that? What would you say? How will I know?

1688
01:40:33,760 --> 01:40:35,080
Speaker 1: I think I had said it. I thought it was

1689
01:40:35,120 --> 01:40:40,120
Speaker 1: like eight to ten eight ft. Maybe that's when you

1690
01:40:40,160 --> 01:40:42,120
Speaker 1: can really tell it's big. Is the thickness of it

1691
01:40:42,160 --> 01:40:47,400
Speaker 1: is what I could kind of seeking. Yeah, thicken and

1692
01:40:47,560 --> 01:40:50,640
Speaker 1: fast and and yeah, and the way it kind of

1693
01:40:50,680 --> 01:40:53,400
Speaker 1: came in and started eating chumm and doing those movements,

1694
01:40:53,439 --> 01:40:55,880
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, man, were that shark? I

1695
01:40:55,920 --> 01:40:58,360
Speaker 1: was just like, Okay, how how are we going to

1696
01:40:58,400 --> 01:41:00,800
Speaker 1: tell this shark that he not the bully on the

1697
01:41:00,800 --> 01:41:04,320
Speaker 1: bully you know? And um, but it took off. But

1698
01:41:04,360 --> 01:41:07,960
Speaker 1: then when those when those other two smaller ones came. Basically,

1699
01:41:08,920 --> 01:41:13,519
Speaker 1: I'm not too concerned about those sharks biting us because

1700
01:41:13,520 --> 01:41:16,439
Speaker 1: we're so much bigger than them, and I just don't

1701
01:41:16,479 --> 01:41:19,120
Speaker 1: think that they would look at something so much bigger

1702
01:41:19,120 --> 01:41:22,240
Speaker 1: than them and say, oh, yeah, that's my prey. So

1703
01:41:22,320 --> 01:41:25,479
Speaker 1: I wasn't concerned about them attacking any of us are

1704
01:41:25,720 --> 01:41:28,679
Speaker 1: like that. But I was just thinking, I don't want

1705
01:41:28,720 --> 01:41:31,680
Speaker 1: them getting too confident in getting food off of us,

1706
01:41:31,720 --> 01:41:33,759
Speaker 1: because that's what they're doing, is they're just getting really

1707
01:41:33,800 --> 01:41:38,040
Speaker 1: confident in eating food that was coming from us. And

1708
01:41:38,080 --> 01:41:40,240
Speaker 1: then what if an uku comes up and one of

1709
01:41:40,280 --> 01:41:43,120
Speaker 1: you shoot it, then they're they're like, oh, we've been

1710
01:41:43,160 --> 01:41:45,760
Speaker 1: taking his lunch all day, this one's mine, and there

1711
01:41:45,800 --> 01:41:48,400
Speaker 1: goes your fish. And so what I was trying to

1712
01:41:48,439 --> 01:41:52,400
Speaker 1: do when I was going down there and kind of like, hey,

1713
01:41:52,439 --> 01:41:54,880
Speaker 1: stop eating that chump. Hey, you stop eating that chump.

1714
01:41:54,960 --> 01:41:57,640
Speaker 1: That's my chump. That's my chump. No, that's my chump. Is.

1715
01:41:57,640 --> 01:42:00,880
Speaker 1: I was just trying to mama in them and tell

1716
01:42:00,960 --> 01:42:05,439
Speaker 1: them like, um, this this food is just mine, you know, like,

1717
01:42:05,520 --> 01:42:08,400
Speaker 1: and I'm not okay with you taking it um, and

1718
01:42:08,479 --> 01:42:11,160
Speaker 1: let them know that as long as I was there,

1719
01:42:11,760 --> 01:42:15,280
Speaker 1: that is the presence I'm gonna carry because that way,

1720
01:42:15,560 --> 01:42:18,920
Speaker 1: if we shot a fish. Um, if one of you

1721
01:42:18,960 --> 01:42:21,040
Speaker 1: shot a fish and you're bringing it up in a

1722
01:42:21,120 --> 01:42:23,920
Speaker 1: fishing distress, that's what's gonna bring in sharks, and that's

1723
01:42:23,960 --> 01:42:26,640
Speaker 1: what's gonna kind of turn them into like almost that

1724
01:42:26,760 --> 01:42:29,640
Speaker 1: frenzy state is like those vibrations of a fish, and

1725
01:42:29,680 --> 01:42:32,320
Speaker 1: distress more than blood or anything else, it just hits

1726
01:42:32,320 --> 01:42:36,360
Speaker 1: their lateral line, those vibrations, and it activates that. It's

1727
01:42:36,439 --> 01:42:38,719
Speaker 1: they're gonna eat, They're gonna take a bite. And once

1728
01:42:38,800 --> 01:42:41,880
Speaker 1: one shark commits to a bite, you'll see sharks just

1729
01:42:41,960 --> 01:42:46,040
Speaker 1: come out of nowhere. Yeah. And so even though they

1730
01:42:46,040 --> 01:42:49,400
Speaker 1: weren't a threat to us, if one of them had

1731
01:42:49,479 --> 01:42:53,280
Speaker 1: committed to taking a bite out of a spirit fish,

1732
01:42:53,560 --> 01:42:57,760
Speaker 1: that situation can escalate quickly because the minute one takes

1733
01:42:57,760 --> 01:43:00,439
Speaker 1: a bite. All the other ones in the name hood

1734
01:43:00,439 --> 01:43:03,840
Speaker 1: are like, oh that's that's a buffet and you'll just

1735
01:43:03,880 --> 01:43:09,680
Speaker 1: watching get vaporized and and so basically I wanted to

1736
01:43:09,800 --> 01:43:12,400
Speaker 1: just show my dominance so that that way, if you

1737
01:43:12,439 --> 01:43:14,880
Speaker 1: guys shot a fish, I would know that all I

1738
01:43:14,920 --> 01:43:16,799
Speaker 1: have to do is just swim down towards your fish

1739
01:43:17,240 --> 01:43:19,800
Speaker 1: and just get bite her fish, and those sharks would

1740
01:43:19,840 --> 01:43:24,799
Speaker 1: know like, oh, she's back, not ours the menal ladies

1741
01:43:24,840 --> 01:43:39,439
Speaker 1: down here, Yeah, exactly. Steve kind of brought this up, um,

1742
01:43:39,479 --> 01:43:44,640
Speaker 1: but how often do YouTube spending as much time in

1743
01:43:44,680 --> 01:43:47,760
Speaker 1: the water as you do, like get concerned in situations

1744
01:43:48,200 --> 01:43:51,599
Speaker 1: like you know, it's it's hard for me because even

1745
01:43:51,840 --> 01:43:53,360
Speaker 1: just wh when you turn to me and you're like, hey,

1746
01:43:53,640 --> 01:43:55,559
Speaker 1: you know you see that, Like that's something to be

1747
01:43:55,640 --> 01:44:02,040
Speaker 1: aware of. Um, in my position, it's almost like I

1748
01:44:02,120 --> 01:44:05,519
Speaker 1: may as well never even seen the Glockwell shark, because like,

1749
01:44:06,920 --> 01:44:09,800
Speaker 1: now that I'm aware of it, what the hell does

1750
01:44:09,840 --> 01:44:12,960
Speaker 1: that mean to me? Like I don't know how right

1751
01:44:13,320 --> 01:44:15,720
Speaker 1: to me is it? Like Okay, don't even if I

1752
01:44:15,720 --> 01:44:18,520
Speaker 1: get a great shot at something, don't don't shoot it?

1753
01:44:18,680 --> 01:44:21,720
Speaker 1: Or right, I see, you guys aren't getting out of

1754
01:44:21,760 --> 01:44:24,439
Speaker 1: the water. So it obviously doesn't mean that. Yeah, I

1755
01:44:24,479 --> 01:44:27,400
Speaker 1: think what it more meant is we're still going to

1756
01:44:27,520 --> 01:44:31,400
Speaker 1: shoot fish, but let's all be aware. Maybe we should

1757
01:44:31,400 --> 01:44:33,040
Speaker 1: have to talk about this, but let's all be aware

1758
01:44:33,479 --> 01:44:36,720
Speaker 1: that when somebody shoots a fish, the rest of us

1759
01:44:37,320 --> 01:44:41,839
Speaker 1: need to protect that fish, you know, protect that person

1760
01:44:41,960 --> 01:44:46,719
Speaker 1: pulling in that fish, and just and and just swim

1761
01:44:46,760 --> 01:44:51,400
Speaker 1: towards the shark like that's that's usually if I'm concerned,

1762
01:44:51,400 --> 01:44:54,000
Speaker 1: I'll swim towards the shark, okay. And I feel like

1763
01:44:54,000 --> 01:44:56,719
Speaker 1: there's bigger concerns more than we usually have with sharks,

1764
01:44:56,800 --> 01:44:59,719
Speaker 1: Like a lot of the concerns most times like weather

1765
01:44:59,800 --> 01:45:03,880
Speaker 1: chain or where's the boat or oncoming boats or but

1766
01:45:03,960 --> 01:45:07,080
Speaker 1: I feel like concerns is of shark usually isn't at

1767
01:45:07,120 --> 01:45:10,759
Speaker 1: our top level for the most part. Would you agree, Yeah, Currents,

1768
01:45:10,960 --> 01:45:13,960
Speaker 1: currents are much more of a concern separating. You know,

1769
01:45:14,000 --> 01:45:15,960
Speaker 1: if you're like further out in the water, currents pick

1770
01:45:16,040 --> 01:45:19,080
Speaker 1: up and you separate, that's a bigger concern than most anything.

1771
01:45:19,120 --> 01:45:22,680
Speaker 1: But I definitely like you, definitely, yeah. I have been

1772
01:45:22,680 --> 01:45:29,920
Speaker 1: in situations where, um, where a tiger sharks swimming straight

1773
01:45:29,960 --> 01:45:32,599
Speaker 1: at you on the surface and you're not just gonna

1774
01:45:32,760 --> 01:45:35,080
Speaker 1: ignore it and turn around and say I'm not concerned,

1775
01:45:35,479 --> 01:45:39,080
Speaker 1: you know, and um, or you're on the surface in

1776
01:45:39,160 --> 01:45:42,240
Speaker 1: a great white swimming straight up at you, and you're

1777
01:45:42,240 --> 01:45:48,080
Speaker 1: gonna pay attention, you know, So definitely I'm concerned. I

1778
01:45:48,200 --> 01:45:53,400
Speaker 1: just think that there's a difference between reacting out a

1779
01:45:53,479 --> 01:45:58,960
Speaker 1: panic and just responding accordingly. And the number one thing

1780
01:45:59,280 --> 01:46:02,800
Speaker 1: I think I always just keep learning in those situations

1781
01:46:03,000 --> 01:46:06,280
Speaker 1: is I can't outswim a shark, you know, and so

1782
01:46:07,160 --> 01:46:11,000
Speaker 1: the only way that truly handle it is to is

1783
01:46:11,040 --> 01:46:12,960
Speaker 1: to face off with it. I mean, yeah, you could

1784
01:46:13,040 --> 01:46:16,920
Speaker 1: like just leave and get out of the water, but um,

1785
01:46:17,080 --> 01:46:18,920
Speaker 1: that's what I was gonna ask, Like, if if you

1786
01:46:19,400 --> 01:46:22,519
Speaker 1: see a great white or a tiger shark, that's not

1787
01:46:22,600 --> 01:46:26,280
Speaker 1: like all right, time to get out. It's just time

1788
01:46:26,320 --> 01:46:28,880
Speaker 1: to be hyper aware. But keep doing what you're doing.

1789
01:46:29,600 --> 01:46:34,280
Speaker 1: I personally, I think those encounters are really cool. And so,

1790
01:46:35,520 --> 01:46:37,400
Speaker 1: you know, Steve was saying earlier, like you see something like,

1791
01:46:37,400 --> 01:46:39,280
Speaker 1: oh wow, let's go check that out, you know, And

1792
01:46:39,360 --> 01:46:42,880
Speaker 1: so I just think they're they're they're pretty, they're pretty cool,

1793
01:46:43,000 --> 01:46:46,599
Speaker 1: and they demand my attention because there, yeah, they're frightening,

1794
01:46:46,600 --> 01:46:50,320
Speaker 1: but they're special and um, and so I just like

1795
01:46:50,439 --> 01:46:54,000
Speaker 1: to check them out and and see how it is.

1796
01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:56,160
Speaker 1: And like I said, if there's a tiger shark to

1797
01:46:56,240 --> 01:46:59,240
Speaker 1: swimming straight at me on the surface, it is nerve

1798
01:46:59,320 --> 01:47:02,559
Speaker 1: racking because now I know, oh man, I gotta swim

1799
01:47:02,640 --> 01:47:05,360
Speaker 1: right at this tiger shark, you know, and like I

1800
01:47:05,400 --> 01:47:08,160
Speaker 1: have no other choice. Like that is what I'm gonna do.

1801
01:47:08,560 --> 01:47:11,080
Speaker 1: And I'm going to meet you with the same energy

1802
01:47:11,120 --> 01:47:14,760
Speaker 1: you're meeting me. And you're not like you're gonna know

1803
01:47:14,880 --> 01:47:17,360
Speaker 1: that if you're curious in me, I'm just as curious

1804
01:47:17,360 --> 01:47:20,800
Speaker 1: in you. That's how I stand. And and so it's

1805
01:47:20,800 --> 01:47:23,360
Speaker 1: not always like what I feel like doing in the moment,

1806
01:47:23,439 --> 01:47:25,519
Speaker 1: but you just do it and you just and then

1807
01:47:25,560 --> 01:47:27,360
Speaker 1: next thing you know, you're playing chicken with a shark.

1808
01:47:27,479 --> 01:47:30,400
Speaker 1: But it's like that's what you you need to do.

1809
01:47:30,560 --> 01:47:33,439
Speaker 1: And then when it turns, it's like it gets kind

1810
01:47:33,439 --> 01:47:36,200
Speaker 1: of ticked off and irritated, you know, and it might

1811
01:47:36,240 --> 01:47:39,040
Speaker 1: do it again, but you just keep meeting just keep

1812
01:47:39,080 --> 01:47:44,520
Speaker 1: meeting it, and um. Usually you can just defuse the situation. Um.

1813
01:47:44,600 --> 01:47:46,879
Speaker 1: And then it's just it is a really cool encounter.

1814
01:47:47,840 --> 01:47:53,320
Speaker 1: Let's say yesterday we're chumming a fourteen ft great white

1815
01:47:54,520 --> 01:47:58,600
Speaker 1: starts circling around, blows you you like. You wouldn't have

1816
01:47:58,640 --> 01:48:01,800
Speaker 1: automatically called it off. It's mere presence wouldn't make you

1817
01:48:01,840 --> 01:48:03,439
Speaker 1: call it off. You have to see more and to

1818
01:48:03,479 --> 01:48:06,000
Speaker 1: figure out what was going on. I probably wouldn't be

1819
01:48:06,160 --> 01:48:09,799
Speaker 1: at all focused on Uku's anymore. I wouldn't be like, everyone,

1820
01:48:09,880 --> 01:48:14,160
Speaker 1: let's keep spear fishing, um, because all of my attention

1821
01:48:14,640 --> 01:48:19,040
Speaker 1: would be on that great white shark. Definitely. Yeah, yeah,

1822
01:48:19,080 --> 01:48:23,760
Speaker 1: there's difference in sharks, you know, Um and cal Hang

1823
01:48:23,800 --> 01:48:30,160
Speaker 1: on the chum bag. Tell people about your the story

1824
01:48:30,160 --> 01:48:33,240
Speaker 1: you're telling about the sperm whale. Oh yeah, so that

1825
01:48:33,400 --> 01:48:37,600
Speaker 1: was That was in Um Dominica and I was on

1826
01:48:37,720 --> 01:48:42,360
Speaker 1: the surface of the ocean um and and a sperm

1827
01:48:42,360 --> 01:48:47,559
Speaker 1: whale was was swimming along and it ended up swimming

1828
01:48:47,600 --> 01:48:50,719
Speaker 1: on the surface and we ended up like pretty much

1829
01:48:50,840 --> 01:48:54,280
Speaker 1: just meeting up head on on the surface. It was

1830
01:48:54,320 --> 01:48:57,559
Speaker 1: about thirty ft away from me. And there's a photo

1831
01:48:57,600 --> 01:49:00,800
Speaker 1: of this there is It's incredible. And um, I know

1832
01:49:00,800 --> 01:49:02,599
Speaker 1: because when I asked me how far away were you

1833
01:49:02,800 --> 01:49:04,280
Speaker 1: and I said thirty ft, I was like, I'm gonna

1834
01:49:04,280 --> 01:49:06,120
Speaker 1: look at that photo to make sure I'm not exaggerating

1835
01:49:06,120 --> 01:49:09,599
Speaker 1: and it really was. It was a very close encounter. Um.

1836
01:49:09,640 --> 01:49:12,559
Speaker 1: And as soon as it was about thirty feet away,

1837
01:49:12,640 --> 01:49:15,280
Speaker 1: it just used its tail, which makes a lot of

1838
01:49:15,360 --> 01:49:17,880
Speaker 1: bubbles and turbulence to use that big tail and use

1839
01:49:17,960 --> 01:49:21,360
Speaker 1: its tail, and it just flipped itself completely upside down

1840
01:49:21,720 --> 01:49:24,200
Speaker 1: and then it just opened its mouth and I could

1841
01:49:24,320 --> 01:49:26,559
Speaker 1: I could see I could see all its teeth, you know,

1842
01:49:26,680 --> 01:49:31,120
Speaker 1: even from there, and that was a pretty intimidating experience.

1843
01:49:31,240 --> 01:49:34,280
Speaker 1: But um, but then after that, I just gently rolled

1844
01:49:34,320 --> 01:49:37,719
Speaker 1: back over and very gracefully kind of didn't dive down,

1845
01:49:37,800 --> 01:49:40,519
Speaker 1: and just dove down into the depths and was gone.

1846
01:49:40,720 --> 01:49:45,200
Speaker 1: And later I learned from scientists that sperm whales, you know,

1847
01:49:45,240 --> 01:49:48,320
Speaker 1: they have huge heads, the hugest on the planet. And

1848
01:49:48,360 --> 01:49:50,800
Speaker 1: because I was just like right in the middle of

1849
01:49:50,840 --> 01:49:53,080
Speaker 1: its site, it could just it couldn't see me with

1850
01:49:53,160 --> 01:49:55,840
Speaker 1: both eyes, and so it had to turn upside down

1851
01:49:56,000 --> 01:49:57,760
Speaker 1: in order to be able to see me, see what

1852
01:49:57,880 --> 01:50:00,920
Speaker 1: I was. And then they're hearing it come from the inside,

1853
01:50:01,320 --> 01:50:03,920
Speaker 1: and so so they had to open its mouth so

1854
01:50:03,960 --> 01:50:05,960
Speaker 1: that it could hear me. And so it was just

1855
01:50:06,160 --> 01:50:09,400
Speaker 1: it was just a way of like shaking hands, you know,

1856
01:50:10,520 --> 01:50:13,160
Speaker 1: getting a better look. Yeah, and the photo kind of

1857
01:50:13,200 --> 01:50:18,360
Speaker 1: captures the moment where it's inverted. Yeah, in the gate,

1858
01:50:21,760 --> 01:50:24,360
Speaker 1: was that what's the scariest thing you've run into? Like

1859
01:50:24,400 --> 01:50:28,720
Speaker 1: the scariest moment you've had? Well, I mean when it

1860
01:50:28,800 --> 01:50:33,960
Speaker 1: comes to animals, I think, yeah, my first time with

1861
01:50:34,040 --> 01:50:38,680
Speaker 1: a great white in in the water. Um, they're just

1862
01:50:38,760 --> 01:50:43,240
Speaker 1: so big, you know, They're just so big and so fat,

1863
01:50:43,280 --> 01:50:46,759
Speaker 1: and I just always thought of them as these ambush

1864
01:50:46,840 --> 01:50:53,720
Speaker 1: predators that he's gonna eat you. Um, and and so

1865
01:50:53,760 --> 01:50:57,559
Speaker 1: I think just like having that, you know, that idea

1866
01:50:58,240 --> 01:51:00,720
Speaker 1: in your head and knowing that like that is what

1867
01:51:00,800 --> 01:51:04,200
Speaker 1: they can do and do to their prey. When you

1868
01:51:04,240 --> 01:51:09,519
Speaker 1: see a fat, big, great white shark in the water

1869
01:51:09,640 --> 01:51:16,200
Speaker 1: with you, yeah, it's it's pretty intimidating. Um. But that

1870
01:51:16,280 --> 01:51:21,679
Speaker 1: experience ended up being just a really beautiful, peaceful one

1871
01:51:21,760 --> 01:51:25,080
Speaker 1: where I just got into a groove with this shark

1872
01:51:25,200 --> 01:51:28,080
Speaker 1: and ended up being a really cool shark. And that's

1873
01:51:28,120 --> 01:51:30,559
Speaker 1: one thing that I've noticed too, is a lot of

1874
01:51:30,600 --> 01:51:36,639
Speaker 1: times the bigger the shark, the more calm their presence.

1875
01:51:36,760 --> 01:51:39,599
Speaker 1: It's just and and like the little ones, little pesky ones,

1876
01:51:39,640 --> 01:51:42,120
Speaker 1: they can be kind of more like the bitey, punky ones.

1877
01:51:42,920 --> 01:51:46,360
Speaker 1: They just got more experience what they're dealing with them.

1878
01:51:47,800 --> 01:51:49,280
Speaker 1: I don't know this because you said it to me.

1879
01:51:49,320 --> 01:51:51,720
Speaker 1: I know it just from having read about you when

1880
01:51:51,720 --> 01:51:57,040
Speaker 1: you started out in spearfishing, Um, you in some way

1881
01:51:57,120 --> 01:51:59,559
Speaker 1: registered or had the feeling of like not being taken

1882
01:51:59,600 --> 01:52:04,960
Speaker 1: seriously by guys. What does that? Probably maybe I'm putting

1883
01:52:04,960 --> 01:52:06,360
Speaker 1: words in your mouth, but I know that it's like

1884
01:52:06,640 --> 01:52:10,120
Speaker 1: a thing that you've lived through. I mean, I mean

1885
01:52:10,120 --> 01:52:15,040
Speaker 1: I can't really say that completely at all. Um, I

1886
01:52:15,040 --> 01:52:16,720
Speaker 1: don't know if I ever really said that. I mean,

1887
01:52:16,800 --> 01:52:20,840
Speaker 1: I know that, I know that I definitely yeah, I

1888
01:52:20,840 --> 01:52:22,840
Speaker 1: mean there's truth to that. I know. I caught a

1889
01:52:22,840 --> 01:52:27,960
Speaker 1: lot of guys by surprise because they just aren't used

1890
01:52:28,000 --> 01:52:30,599
Speaker 1: to seeing They weren't used to seeing a girl who

1891
01:52:30,640 --> 01:52:34,400
Speaker 1: spiritfish is Yeah, okay, there's definitely a lot of guys

1892
01:52:34,560 --> 01:52:38,559
Speaker 1: who didn't take me seriously and probably because um, I

1893
01:52:38,600 --> 01:52:41,439
Speaker 1: was a girl and they just wouldn't associate those two

1894
01:52:41,439 --> 01:52:44,120
Speaker 1: things together. And even if I say I spear fish,

1895
01:52:44,120 --> 01:52:47,920
Speaker 1: they probably just don't quite believe me. But um, so, like,

1896
01:52:48,120 --> 01:52:50,080
Speaker 1: what does it look like? I mean, what does that

1897
01:52:50,160 --> 01:52:52,360
Speaker 1: exchange look like? If you're in if you're in a thing,

1898
01:52:53,360 --> 01:52:55,840
Speaker 1: is it just that that you don't that you're not

1899
01:52:55,880 --> 01:52:58,240
Speaker 1: invited to go along or you mentioned it and people

1900
01:52:58,280 --> 01:53:01,400
Speaker 1: think that you can't be serious. Yeah, but I hate

1901
01:53:01,439 --> 01:53:06,320
Speaker 1: to even just say like, oh, guys, because because it

1902
01:53:06,400 --> 01:53:09,360
Speaker 1: was guys that that taught me to spearfish too, Like

1903
01:53:09,400 --> 01:53:12,080
Speaker 1: it was it was the guys that did believe in me,

1904
01:53:12,200 --> 01:53:15,400
Speaker 1: that took me more seriously than I ever could have

1905
01:53:15,479 --> 01:53:20,400
Speaker 1: taken myself, who mentored me, who just like believed in me,

1906
01:53:20,439 --> 01:53:22,559
Speaker 1: believed in me, believe me. It was you know, it

1907
01:53:22,680 --> 01:53:25,720
Speaker 1: was all men who who took me under their wing

1908
01:53:25,760 --> 01:53:27,799
Speaker 1: and did that. So we're just talking about different humans,

1909
01:53:27,840 --> 01:53:32,280
Speaker 1: and and yes, out of out of like all these

1910
01:53:32,280 --> 01:53:34,960
Speaker 1: different humans there, there were definitely some men who just

1911
01:53:35,120 --> 01:53:39,440
Speaker 1: couldn't register that a girl could be doing this um

1912
01:53:39,479 --> 01:53:42,559
Speaker 1: and it just looked like things like we'd be at

1913
01:53:42,680 --> 01:53:46,599
Speaker 1: like spear fishing tournaments and they'd be talking about like,

1914
01:53:46,640 --> 01:53:48,960
Speaker 1: oh man, I'm gonna go do this trip in Cabbo

1915
01:53:49,080 --> 01:53:52,360
Speaker 1: and get yellow fantuna and I'm just like sitting at

1916
01:53:52,360 --> 01:53:54,720
Speaker 1: the table and like nodding my head and then then

1917
01:53:54,760 --> 01:53:57,280
Speaker 1: look over and they'll be like, oh, like, I mean

1918
01:53:57,280 --> 01:54:00,120
Speaker 1: what we're talking about, Kimmy. It's like equivalent to you

1919
01:54:00,280 --> 01:54:03,320
Speaker 1: like going on all expense paid for a shopping spree,

1920
01:54:03,800 --> 01:54:07,000
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, ball, It's like, what are you

1921
01:54:07,000 --> 01:54:10,160
Speaker 1: even talking about? Like I was into the tuna story,

1922
01:54:10,280 --> 01:54:15,200
Speaker 1: you know, I like things like that, and and and

1923
01:54:15,240 --> 01:54:17,080
Speaker 1: it's just funny, Like you know, some guys are just

1924
01:54:17,120 --> 01:54:19,320
Speaker 1: like they just can't quite figure it out, like how

1925
01:54:19,439 --> 01:54:23,720
Speaker 1: is that possible? It can't be possible that that, um,

1926
01:54:23,880 --> 01:54:25,599
Speaker 1: this girl can do that whatever, So they just ask

1927
01:54:25,680 --> 01:54:28,120
Speaker 1: you really funny questions. Then you can just tell that

1928
01:54:28,320 --> 01:54:31,360
Speaker 1: they just don't quite believe you. You know, do you

1929
01:54:31,439 --> 01:54:36,000
Speaker 1: take it as a is it damaging? Is it amusing,

1930
01:54:36,920 --> 01:54:40,440
Speaker 1: you know, to get the like to get the flak

1931
01:54:40,600 --> 01:54:45,160
Speaker 1: or or to be that to feel like you're treated

1932
01:54:45,200 --> 01:54:48,880
Speaker 1: as a sort of special individual because of being a

1933
01:54:48,920 --> 01:54:55,680
Speaker 1: spear fisher woman. Um, I mean m I think it's

1934
01:54:56,600 --> 01:55:01,720
Speaker 1: for the most part, like all the uh oh, the

1935
01:55:01,800 --> 01:55:04,280
Speaker 1: silly stuff with the irritating stuff is just not even

1936
01:55:04,440 --> 01:55:07,160
Speaker 1: it's neither just not really worth my time. And it's

1937
01:55:07,160 --> 01:55:08,880
Speaker 1: just like that's when you know, like those aren't my people,

1938
01:55:09,160 --> 01:55:12,160
Speaker 1: you know. And and then like I said, and then

1939
01:55:12,200 --> 01:55:15,160
Speaker 1: I just I've had I just had way too many

1940
01:55:15,720 --> 01:55:20,040
Speaker 1: of encounters of the opposite though, of like people who

1941
01:55:21,120 --> 01:55:23,440
Speaker 1: just treating me like a diver like that's and that's

1942
01:55:23,480 --> 01:55:26,280
Speaker 1: what I always wanted it. That's what like I love

1943
01:55:26,360 --> 01:55:29,280
Speaker 1: before about like you know, sometimes just putting your your

1944
01:55:29,320 --> 01:55:31,800
Speaker 1: hood on and whatever you kind of just like look

1945
01:55:31,840 --> 01:55:35,360
Speaker 1: the same as everybody else. And and I think that

1946
01:55:35,760 --> 01:55:37,440
Speaker 1: was it more than anything, is that I didn't want

1947
01:55:37,480 --> 01:55:40,440
Speaker 1: to be I didn't want to be just good for

1948
01:55:40,480 --> 01:55:44,080
Speaker 1: a girl, which that was one of the weird like

1949
01:55:44,920 --> 01:55:47,400
Speaker 1: compliment you again from the ones that were intimidated by you.

1950
01:55:47,640 --> 01:55:51,160
Speaker 1: And I didn't want to be like, oh yeah, that's

1951
01:55:51,200 --> 01:55:53,960
Speaker 1: that's pretty good for a girl exactly, like oh yeah,

1952
01:55:54,040 --> 01:55:55,760
Speaker 1: she's good. Oh yeah, I heard she's good for a girl,

1953
01:55:56,000 --> 01:55:58,520
Speaker 1: you know, And I just like don't. I don't. That's

1954
01:55:58,520 --> 01:56:02,400
Speaker 1: not I didn't like that, But I also did it like, um,

1955
01:56:02,600 --> 01:56:04,080
Speaker 1: the idea of like oh I'm trying to be better

1956
01:56:04,120 --> 01:56:08,160
Speaker 1: than the boys, you know, Um, I that would be

1957
01:56:08,200 --> 01:56:12,280
Speaker 1: like ascribed to you as a motivation totally yeah yeah,

1958
01:56:12,440 --> 01:56:15,640
Speaker 1: And I mean it was always sad and like good

1959
01:56:15,640 --> 01:56:18,120
Speaker 1: hearted fun and that's fine and didn't bother me. But

1960
01:56:18,200 --> 01:56:20,120
Speaker 1: the truth was, it's just like I just wanted to

1961
01:56:20,160 --> 01:56:22,720
Speaker 1: be a good diver, that's all. Like I wanted to

1962
01:56:22,760 --> 01:56:25,800
Speaker 1: be and and the guys that um I ended up

1963
01:56:25,840 --> 01:56:31,240
Speaker 1: just like, you know, becoming super friends when it became

1964
01:56:31,280 --> 01:56:35,760
Speaker 1: my mentors, like that's just how they saw me. And

1965
01:56:35,760 --> 01:56:37,440
Speaker 1: and it was just that was just the best feeling

1966
01:56:37,480 --> 01:56:41,960
Speaker 1: in the world, you know, just to just do just

1967
01:56:42,040 --> 01:56:45,840
Speaker 1: to be part of this club where um, yeah, you're

1968
01:56:45,880 --> 01:56:47,640
Speaker 1: just you're you're just trying to be a good diver.

1969
01:56:49,240 --> 01:56:52,040
Speaker 1: Do you like sitting here having this conversation like this

1970
01:56:52,160 --> 01:56:54,200
Speaker 1: part of this conversation. Is it annoying? Like could just

1971
01:56:54,200 --> 01:56:56,920
Speaker 1: be totally honest, I'm just like I'm always curious how

1972
01:56:56,920 --> 01:56:59,560
Speaker 1: to navigate this like that sort of question. Is it

1973
01:56:59,600 --> 01:57:02,280
Speaker 1: annoying to you that I asked you that? No, it's not.

1974
01:57:02,440 --> 01:57:05,760
Speaker 1: I mean I think, like I think if I first

1975
01:57:05,760 --> 01:57:07,800
Speaker 1: thought when you asked me that though, if I'm honest,

1976
01:57:07,880 --> 01:57:11,400
Speaker 1: was like, oh, are you trying to be considerate? You know,

1977
01:57:11,560 --> 01:57:14,440
Speaker 1: like is that like a like is that like, um,

1978
01:57:14,560 --> 01:57:17,800
Speaker 1: like a polite thing to do is to like look

1979
01:57:17,840 --> 01:57:22,000
Speaker 1: at how things are for women these days and and

1980
01:57:22,040 --> 01:57:23,160
Speaker 1: this and that. I don't know. That was like one

1981
01:57:23,160 --> 01:57:24,320
Speaker 1: of the first things I went in my head. But

1982
01:57:24,360 --> 01:57:26,880
Speaker 1: it doesn't at all annoy me because I think, Okay,

1983
01:57:27,000 --> 01:57:28,560
Speaker 1: another thing I have to say, I think it is

1984
01:57:28,560 --> 01:57:31,440
Speaker 1: an important question. I think it's a very important question.

1985
01:57:31,760 --> 01:57:34,360
Speaker 1: And before I used to not think that, and I

1986
01:57:34,400 --> 01:57:37,560
Speaker 1: wondered why people ask me that so much. Um And

1987
01:57:37,960 --> 01:57:40,160
Speaker 1: an example would be that I used to always enter

1988
01:57:40,440 --> 01:57:43,880
Speaker 1: co ed um dive tournaments, right, and so it be

1989
01:57:43,920 --> 01:57:47,040
Speaker 1: me and a bunch of dudes basically, And and then

1990
01:57:47,480 --> 01:57:51,160
Speaker 1: more girls started getting into these tournaments, and then they

1991
01:57:51,160 --> 01:57:55,960
Speaker 1: started like having um like like protesting them or whatever,

1992
01:57:56,040 --> 01:57:59,320
Speaker 1: like they needed a women's division, and they saw it

1993
01:57:59,400 --> 01:58:02,240
Speaker 1: wasn't fair if they didn't have a women's division. And

1994
01:58:02,400 --> 01:58:06,800
Speaker 1: I was the first one that was just like no, no, no, no, no, like,

1995
01:58:06,880 --> 01:58:09,400
Speaker 1: why the heck would you do that? Like are you

1996
01:58:09,480 --> 01:58:10,840
Speaker 1: kidding me? Because I was just like I want to

1997
01:58:10,840 --> 01:58:13,120
Speaker 1: be a good diver, and and I was just like

1998
01:58:13,400 --> 01:58:15,280
Speaker 1: I go home, and I just remember just telling my

1999
01:58:15,360 --> 01:58:18,680
Speaker 1: sister like, oh, man, like I really liked all these girls,

2000
01:58:18,760 --> 01:58:20,880
Speaker 1: but now they're getting all crazy and wanting to have

2001
01:58:21,000 --> 01:58:23,360
Speaker 1: like women's division. I don't get it. Why so that

2002
01:58:23,560 --> 01:58:25,480
Speaker 1: like three of us can enter and three of us

2003
01:58:25,480 --> 01:58:27,840
Speaker 1: can walk away with trophies? Like why would they want

2004
01:58:27,840 --> 01:58:30,360
Speaker 1: to do that? Why don't we just dive as divers?

2005
01:58:30,760 --> 01:58:33,480
Speaker 1: And my and that was seriously my point of view.

2006
01:58:33,480 --> 01:58:35,080
Speaker 1: And then my sister she just looked at me and

2007
01:58:35,080 --> 01:58:37,640
Speaker 1: she's like, oh, it must be nice. It must be

2008
01:58:37,720 --> 01:58:41,240
Speaker 1: nice for you to say that, and and I didn't

2009
01:58:41,320 --> 01:58:43,920
Speaker 1: quite get it. And then she's like, okay, me, don't

2010
01:58:43,960 --> 01:58:47,320
Speaker 1: you get it? Like she's like, you're the exception to

2011
01:58:47,400 --> 01:58:50,960
Speaker 1: the rule in so many ways. And she's like, she's like,

2012
01:58:51,320 --> 01:58:55,440
Speaker 1: dad took you in the water since you were five

2013
01:58:55,520 --> 01:58:58,080
Speaker 1: years old, and like, granted it didn't happen all my life,

2014
01:58:58,080 --> 01:59:01,720
Speaker 1: but it did happen for like a good few years

2015
01:59:01,760 --> 01:59:05,360
Speaker 1: pretty solid where I was in the water, developing this comfort,

2016
01:59:05,600 --> 01:59:09,920
Speaker 1: developing this belonging, you know. And she's like, can you

2017
01:59:09,960 --> 01:59:12,840
Speaker 1: know how many other guys do you know that their

2018
01:59:12,920 --> 01:59:15,760
Speaker 1: dads did that for them? And I could think of everybody,

2019
01:59:15,920 --> 01:59:18,320
Speaker 1: you know, if not their dad's, their uncles or someone.

2020
01:59:18,640 --> 01:59:21,840
Speaker 1: And she's like, okay, now, how many other girls do

2021
01:59:21,920 --> 01:59:25,280
Speaker 1: you know where their dads did that to them? And

2022
01:59:25,360 --> 01:59:29,640
Speaker 1: I honestly could not think of a single person, like,

2023
01:59:29,720 --> 01:59:31,880
Speaker 1: not one single person, And that to me just like

2024
01:59:32,240 --> 01:59:34,160
Speaker 1: change yourself. I was like, oh my god, you're so right.

2025
01:59:34,240 --> 01:59:36,800
Speaker 1: Like every single guy that I went to high school with,

2026
01:59:36,840 --> 01:59:38,640
Speaker 1: I grew up with like they were the ones that

2027
01:59:38,680 --> 01:59:40,880
Speaker 1: would die because their dads or uncles taught them. And

2028
01:59:41,200 --> 01:59:43,839
Speaker 1: I don't know a single woman who like was given

2029
01:59:44,440 --> 01:59:48,080
Speaker 1: that same opportunity. And and then she's like, so, now

2030
01:59:48,240 --> 01:59:51,080
Speaker 1: think about like, you know, it was already intimidating for

2031
01:59:51,120 --> 01:59:53,240
Speaker 1: you to to get back into it on your own,

2032
01:59:53,240 --> 01:59:55,560
Speaker 1: but the thing that got you through was those early

2033
01:59:56,000 --> 01:59:58,920
Speaker 1: years of being taken along like with someone that you

2034
01:59:58,960 --> 02:00:02,560
Speaker 1: felt safe with, you know. And she's like, if no

2035
02:00:02,600 --> 02:00:06,000
Speaker 1: girl has ever experienced that ever, And now they see

2036
02:00:06,040 --> 02:00:09,640
Speaker 1: you achieving what you're achieving, and that inspires them and

2037
02:00:09,680 --> 02:00:12,160
Speaker 1: they want to get into it. But they didn't. They

2038
02:00:12,200 --> 02:00:14,760
Speaker 1: didn't have like what you had, you know, and you

2039
02:00:14,760 --> 02:00:17,880
Speaker 1: don't even want to give them their own division. I

2040
02:00:17,960 --> 02:00:19,680
Speaker 1: was just like, give it, give it to us a

2041
02:00:19,760 --> 02:00:23,520
Speaker 1: little gut check. I think that in asking it just

2042
02:00:24,080 --> 02:00:27,640
Speaker 1: or in talking about it, for where it's interesting to

2043
02:00:27,720 --> 02:00:32,520
Speaker 1: me is that participation rates and some of the activities

2044
02:00:32,560 --> 02:00:35,800
Speaker 1: that I hold near and dear and that like participation

2045
02:00:35,880 --> 02:00:38,960
Speaker 1: rates are so overwhelmingly male. And I think that you

2046
02:00:38,960 --> 02:00:42,960
Speaker 1: would you would look at it and find that you

2047
02:00:42,960 --> 02:00:49,800
Speaker 1: know that there's that there's probably some physiological underpinnings to

2048
02:00:49,920 --> 02:00:52,840
Speaker 1: explain some of it right in some cases, like like

2049
02:00:52,880 --> 02:00:55,080
Speaker 1: I think if you removed any kind of like social

2050
02:00:55,200 --> 02:00:59,200
Speaker 1: cultural aspect, do I really think that of the population

2051
02:00:59,800 --> 02:01:01,840
Speaker 1: of people that hunters fishes would be male? Like I

2052
02:01:01,880 --> 02:01:05,560
Speaker 1: just feel like it's probably still tilt that way, just

2053
02:01:05,600 --> 02:01:08,160
Speaker 1: in terms of I don't know, man like like like

2054
02:01:08,240 --> 02:01:13,360
Speaker 1: physiology or or something like maybe I can't really speak

2055
02:01:13,360 --> 02:01:16,960
Speaker 1: to diving. I think that for free diving, I mean

2056
02:01:17,240 --> 02:01:20,280
Speaker 1: I would have to say, like I think women would

2057
02:01:20,360 --> 02:01:26,680
Speaker 1: really Yeah, I think when I get at that, like

2058
02:01:26,720 --> 02:01:29,960
Speaker 1: a couple of things that reasons when I say physiological

2059
02:01:30,320 --> 02:01:39,640
Speaker 1: is is if you look at different cultures around the world, Okay, Um,

2060
02:01:39,760 --> 02:01:42,440
Speaker 1: even cultures that hadn't had contact with one another for

2061
02:01:43,200 --> 02:01:46,440
Speaker 1: perhaps tens of thousands of years would develop along these

2062
02:01:46,440 --> 02:01:51,680
Speaker 1: similar lines where you had had that that like the

2063
02:01:51,760 --> 02:01:55,440
Speaker 1: hunting class, like the members of the society that gauge

2064
02:01:55,480 --> 02:01:59,000
Speaker 1: and hunting and fishing. Um, if you look at indigenous

2065
02:01:59,040 --> 02:02:03,560
Speaker 1: cultures and age jow in Africa, South America, North America,

2066
02:02:03,800 --> 02:02:06,680
Speaker 1: you want up saying that all these independently developed cultures

2067
02:02:06,720 --> 02:02:10,560
Speaker 1: also developed this thing where it was predominantly it was

2068
02:02:10,640 --> 02:02:15,280
Speaker 1: predominantly men, right, not for free diving. Now, free diving

2069
02:02:15,560 --> 02:02:20,120
Speaker 1: it's the women like Um. Justin and I actually we

2070
02:02:20,240 --> 02:02:24,840
Speaker 1: went to Korea to meet the Henon and they're these

2071
02:02:24,920 --> 02:02:28,160
Speaker 1: like old lady divers because they're kind of they are

2072
02:02:28,200 --> 02:02:30,400
Speaker 1: the last of their kind. It's something that hasn't really

2073
02:02:30,440 --> 02:02:35,040
Speaker 1: been passed on. But Um, for centuries they've been the

2074
02:02:35,120 --> 02:02:41,920
Speaker 1: one free diving for um, for sea snails, for um, abalone,

2075
02:02:42,360 --> 02:02:47,560
Speaker 1: for horn konk and um sustaining their whole island, you know.

2076
02:02:47,600 --> 02:02:50,200
Speaker 1: And they finding the Japanese culture too with the Ama

2077
02:02:50,400 --> 02:02:54,000
Speaker 1: and they were like shellfish diverse, pariol divers. Yeah, and UM.

2078
02:02:54,040 --> 02:02:58,040
Speaker 1: And it turned out that UM, I mean the story

2079
02:02:58,120 --> 02:03:01,360
Speaker 1: I hear is that for the curree yuh. Actually at

2080
02:03:01,360 --> 02:03:04,440
Speaker 1: first it was the men that that would do it,

2081
02:03:04,560 --> 02:03:07,840
Speaker 1: but then UM, But then I think what happened is

2082
02:03:08,320 --> 02:03:12,280
Speaker 1: Japan invaded Korea, put this tax on on the working

2083
02:03:12,480 --> 02:03:16,640
Speaker 1: people of this island, Jju and UM. And so there's

2084
02:03:16,680 --> 02:03:18,760
Speaker 1: kind of a loophole because attacks only applied to the

2085
02:03:18,760 --> 02:03:20,920
Speaker 1: men because they were the workers. And so the men

2086
02:03:20,960 --> 02:03:23,640
Speaker 1: taught their wives to dive. But then they ended up

2087
02:03:23,640 --> 02:03:25,720
Speaker 1: being so much better at it anyway. And the reasons

2088
02:03:25,720 --> 02:03:28,280
Speaker 1: why it's because they had um the more fat and

2089
02:03:28,320 --> 02:03:31,720
Speaker 1: so they could stay warmer in the cold water, but

2090
02:03:31,760 --> 02:03:35,080
Speaker 1: they also could hold their breath longer. And then so

2091
02:03:35,160 --> 02:03:37,040
Speaker 1: the women kind of did it because they weren't getting

2092
02:03:37,080 --> 02:03:39,120
Speaker 1: tax and then they ended up being so much better

2093
02:03:39,240 --> 02:03:43,720
Speaker 1: at it that they became like they were the ones

2094
02:03:43,880 --> 02:03:46,880
Speaker 1: that sustained the family. To this day, there's still the ones.

2095
02:03:46,960 --> 02:03:49,200
Speaker 1: We went and we interviewed these women and talked to them,

2096
02:03:49,200 --> 02:03:53,840
Speaker 1: and they're the ones that they they put their their

2097
02:03:53,920 --> 02:03:56,880
Speaker 1: husbands into college or whatever it is. They they take

2098
02:03:56,920 --> 02:03:59,400
Speaker 1: care of the whole family financially, they take care of

2099
02:03:59,440 --> 02:04:02,560
Speaker 1: the commune nitty because they're the ones that make the

2100
02:04:02,600 --> 02:04:05,640
Speaker 1: money because they're the ones that can dive. And so

2101
02:04:05,760 --> 02:04:10,040
Speaker 1: I really think that there's something different about about free

2102
02:04:10,040 --> 02:04:16,040
Speaker 1: diving because you don't need to be like that physically strong.

2103
02:04:16,480 --> 02:04:20,600
Speaker 1: I feel, you know, like I probably can't load your

2104
02:04:20,640 --> 02:04:23,440
Speaker 1: gun and cow like, but I don't need to because

2105
02:04:23,720 --> 02:04:28,760
Speaker 1: I know I can bring the fish closer to what

2106
02:04:29,200 --> 02:04:31,920
Speaker 1: I was gonna get at with the what I wanted

2107
02:04:31,920 --> 02:04:34,280
Speaker 1: to get at in the long run. Around. The thing

2108
02:04:34,320 --> 02:04:37,320
Speaker 1: about physiology is I'm saying like, even if there is

2109
02:04:37,400 --> 02:04:41,800
Speaker 1: some physiological element or something just about like aggressiveness or whatever,

2110
02:04:41,840 --> 02:04:44,680
Speaker 1: to hell, right, then I think that we've had, like

2111
02:04:45,040 --> 02:04:50,040
Speaker 1: we've had social and cultural overlays that have definitely impacted that.

2112
02:04:50,720 --> 02:04:52,919
Speaker 1: And what originally got me thinking about it was, Remember

2113
02:04:52,960 --> 02:04:54,760
Speaker 1: I was talking to a guy that looks at democrat

2114
02:04:54,880 --> 02:05:00,640
Speaker 1: hunting and fishing demographics, and he was pointing out that, um,

2115
02:05:00,720 --> 02:05:07,240
Speaker 1: that uh, a woman who hunts and fishes, there's a

2116
02:05:07,320 --> 02:05:12,520
Speaker 1: greater likelihood that they are in a family where there

2117
02:05:12,520 --> 02:05:16,200
Speaker 1: were no boys or where were they were the first child.

2118
02:05:18,800 --> 02:05:22,840
Speaker 1: That guys will like that that guys have historically been

2119
02:05:23,080 --> 02:05:26,160
Speaker 1: like basically, oh, I guess you can go because I

2120
02:05:26,200 --> 02:05:29,920
Speaker 1: don't have a son to bring, you know, And I

2121
02:05:29,920 --> 02:05:32,640
Speaker 1: think that that's like a that's an actual thing. I

2122
02:05:32,640 --> 02:05:36,160
Speaker 1: mean we've tried to I I perhaps um and having

2123
02:05:36,160 --> 02:05:39,960
Speaker 1: a daughter, like I feel like I perhaps try to overcompensate,

2124
02:05:41,000 --> 02:05:43,880
Speaker 1: um under like instructions from my wife too. The minut

2125
02:05:43,880 --> 02:05:45,240
Speaker 1: she found out she's having a girl, She's like, you

2126
02:05:45,280 --> 02:05:47,440
Speaker 1: are not going to treat her different than the boys.

2127
02:05:47,920 --> 02:05:50,560
Speaker 1: And so to hold up on that, I feel like I,

2128
02:05:51,040 --> 02:05:53,160
Speaker 1: um maybe do the opposite and lean on her a

2129
02:05:53,200 --> 02:05:56,640
Speaker 1: little more heavily or like have hot like have higher

2130
02:05:56,640 --> 02:06:01,320
Speaker 1: expectations to sort of demonstrate how, um, how good I'm

2131
02:06:01,360 --> 02:06:05,000
Speaker 1: doing right, like I need like I want my progress

2132
02:06:05,040 --> 02:06:08,160
Speaker 1: to be measured by hers in a way that winds

2133
02:06:08,200 --> 02:06:12,200
Speaker 1: up putting a little bit of unfair you know, like

2134
02:06:12,240 --> 02:06:16,400
Speaker 1: an unfair expectation, you know. So my like when she

2135
02:06:16,480 --> 02:06:18,080
Speaker 1: was eight years old, like this year, I really was like,

2136
02:06:18,120 --> 02:06:19,880
Speaker 1: we're gonna get a turkey. We'n get turkey, We're getting

2137
02:06:19,880 --> 02:06:22,760
Speaker 1: a turkey. It was coming from me very much like that.

2138
02:06:23,000 --> 02:06:25,600
Speaker 1: I needed, like I need you to do that to

2139
02:06:25,840 --> 02:06:29,280
Speaker 1: undo the stereotype that you're not responsible for, you know.

2140
02:06:30,040 --> 02:06:31,880
Speaker 1: So it's just become a thing of interest to me.

2141
02:06:32,320 --> 02:06:35,280
Speaker 1: And then we hear from people who feel um no,

2142
02:06:35,360 --> 02:06:39,040
Speaker 1: well oftentimes here from people who feel like like unwelcome

2143
02:06:40,200 --> 02:06:44,120
Speaker 1: by guys who sort of seem to want these this

2144
02:06:44,120 --> 02:06:47,440
Speaker 1: this world to be guy centric or find comfort in that.

2145
02:06:47,520 --> 02:06:50,320
Speaker 1: I don't know, Yeah, I guess I can. I can

2146
02:06:50,400 --> 02:06:54,200
Speaker 1: relate to all of that. I think that, yeah, because

2147
02:06:54,240 --> 02:06:56,080
Speaker 1: I do see like some guys just they're used to

2148
02:06:56,120 --> 02:06:58,440
Speaker 1: it being a certain way, and they're afraid that if

2149
02:06:58,440 --> 02:07:00,560
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of girls come into the scene, it's

2150
02:07:00,560 --> 02:07:02,600
Speaker 1: just going to change the vibe of it, you know,

2151
02:07:02,880 --> 02:07:08,320
Speaker 1: And it's just interesting, like on the edge of a

2152
02:07:08,480 --> 02:07:14,840
Speaker 1: recruitment type conversation here and yeah kind of. Um so,

2153
02:07:14,960 --> 02:07:19,880
Speaker 1: could you speak just briefly, um, as like spear fishing

2154
02:07:19,920 --> 02:07:22,480
Speaker 1: as a community is it would you say it's a

2155
02:07:22,520 --> 02:07:28,040
Speaker 1: welcoming community? Um? Is there part of spear fishing that

2156
02:07:28,160 --> 02:07:30,800
Speaker 1: like wants to like mentor people and bring more people

2157
02:07:30,840 --> 02:07:32,960
Speaker 1: into the space or is it is it kind of

2158
02:07:33,000 --> 02:07:36,000
Speaker 1: an insular community that it's like, hey, man, there's only

2159
02:07:36,040 --> 02:07:39,360
Speaker 1: so many fish in the ocean. I think it's both.

2160
02:07:39,480 --> 02:07:42,520
Speaker 1: I think you gotta earn it. And so it's like

2161
02:07:42,760 --> 02:07:44,920
Speaker 1: it's not gonna be handed to you. Doors might not

2162
02:07:45,080 --> 02:07:48,560
Speaker 1: just be open for you. You know, it's not something

2163
02:07:48,600 --> 02:07:51,600
Speaker 1: where it's like, hey, welcome, let's show you the ropes

2164
02:07:51,800 --> 02:07:55,440
Speaker 1: and um take you to our fishing spots and teach

2165
02:07:55,480 --> 02:07:57,880
Speaker 1: you how to do this. I don't think that, you know,

2166
02:07:58,160 --> 02:08:01,320
Speaker 1: it is fishing that people are going to be protective

2167
02:08:01,360 --> 02:08:04,800
Speaker 1: and secretive and keep to themselves in a certain way. UM. So,

2168
02:08:05,320 --> 02:08:08,840
Speaker 1: maybe getting a foot in the door isn't just like

2169
02:08:09,360 --> 02:08:13,960
Speaker 1: an easy hand out. But I think that if you

2170
02:08:14,040 --> 02:08:19,360
Speaker 1: want it bad enough, like if you try hard enough,

2171
02:08:19,400 --> 02:08:22,560
Speaker 1: and if it's just something you're really passionate about. UM,

2172
02:08:22,640 --> 02:08:24,680
Speaker 1: I guess I'm just telling my own story, but like,

2173
02:08:25,480 --> 02:08:29,240
Speaker 1: and you do it, You're gonna earn the respect of

2174
02:08:29,320 --> 02:08:32,560
Speaker 1: this community. And then all of a sudden, doors are

2175
02:08:32,560 --> 02:08:36,880
Speaker 1: gonna open and invites are gonna start coming. And and

2176
02:08:36,920 --> 02:08:40,240
Speaker 1: I think I kind of like it that way, like

2177
02:08:40,360 --> 02:08:44,120
Speaker 1: I just you know, um, and I think maybe in

2178
02:08:44,120 --> 02:08:45,520
Speaker 1: a way that's even why I was like, now, you

2179
02:08:45,520 --> 02:08:48,640
Speaker 1: guys gotta go three pronging first, you know, like you know,

2180
02:08:48,640 --> 02:08:51,000
Speaker 1: it's just like you don't just roll up here and

2181
02:08:51,760 --> 02:08:53,600
Speaker 1: put a spear gun in your hand and I'm gonna

2182
02:08:53,640 --> 02:08:55,560
Speaker 1: take you and shoot a big fish like you didn't

2183
02:08:55,560 --> 02:09:00,600
Speaker 1: earn it yet, you know, And so so so I

2184
02:09:00,600 --> 02:09:05,400
Speaker 1: guess I think it's a very wonderful, tight knit, beautiful

2185
02:09:05,520 --> 02:09:09,800
Speaker 1: community that I do think is welcoming. But I think

2186
02:09:09,800 --> 02:09:14,760
Speaker 1: it's the more you earn respect, the more welcoming it's

2187
02:09:14,800 --> 02:09:18,160
Speaker 1: going to be. Do you see a similar path in

2188
02:09:18,200 --> 02:09:24,720
Speaker 1: your bow hunting career? I mean, honestly, with bow hunting,

2189
02:09:25,280 --> 02:09:27,560
Speaker 1: I feel like I've spent um. I feel like I

2190
02:09:28,040 --> 02:09:31,360
Speaker 1: feel like I've earned respect as a spear fisher woman

2191
02:09:31,680 --> 02:09:36,040
Speaker 1: to the point where bow hunters look at me and

2192
02:09:36,080 --> 02:09:39,760
Speaker 1: say like, oh, you know, like and and they I

2193
02:09:39,800 --> 02:09:43,720
Speaker 1: feel like the doors have opened almost too easily where um,

2194
02:09:44,000 --> 02:09:49,280
Speaker 1: like you, your spear fishing credentials have have put some

2195
02:09:49,440 --> 02:09:54,240
Speaker 1: sort of like have got to me at least my

2196
02:09:54,320 --> 02:09:57,600
Speaker 1: spear fishing credentials have all of a sudden made like

2197
02:09:57,920 --> 02:10:00,000
Speaker 1: to me, it feels like a lot of people welco

2198
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:04,080
Speaker 1: at me, welcome me into bow hunting. Yeah, and I

2199
02:10:04,120 --> 02:10:08,160
Speaker 1: think that's nice, But I think I almost shy away

2200
02:10:08,200 --> 02:10:11,680
Speaker 1: from it because I it just sometimes feels like a

2201
02:10:11,680 --> 02:10:16,040
Speaker 1: little too spoiled for me, Like I, um, you know

2202
02:10:16,760 --> 02:10:22,280
Speaker 1: it's really I really appreciate it, but um, but I

2203
02:10:22,320 --> 02:10:24,600
Speaker 1: feel like sometimes when things are just like handed to you,

2204
02:10:24,920 --> 02:10:27,360
Speaker 1: it just doesn't feel right, I guess I could say.

2205
02:10:27,440 --> 02:10:30,480
Speaker 1: And so I've actually shied away from it a lot

2206
02:10:30,560 --> 02:10:33,760
Speaker 1: because I have been I have gotten a lot of

2207
02:10:33,760 --> 02:10:36,800
Speaker 1: offers and opportunities and and gear and stuff. When I

2208
02:10:36,800 --> 02:10:39,240
Speaker 1: get and I'm like, I'm such a big cook, Like

2209
02:10:39,680 --> 02:10:44,800
Speaker 1: I don't deserve this, Like this person deserves this, Like

2210
02:10:45,280 --> 02:10:47,520
Speaker 1: you should really be giving it to this person because

2211
02:10:47,560 --> 02:10:51,000
Speaker 1: I see her working her butt off, you know, whereas

2212
02:10:51,080 --> 02:10:53,840
Speaker 1: me like I didn't earn any of this, and so

2213
02:10:53,920 --> 02:10:55,960
Speaker 1: I kind of have shied away from it. And what

2214
02:10:56,120 --> 02:11:01,040
Speaker 1: has actually made me um crossover, just in this past

2215
02:11:01,080 --> 02:11:04,720
Speaker 1: week was that it was all those old dive mentors

2216
02:11:04,720 --> 02:11:07,360
Speaker 1: that I just speak so highly of who really trained

2217
02:11:07,400 --> 02:11:10,680
Speaker 1: me and diving. They're all bow hunters now and um,

2218
02:11:10,720 --> 02:11:13,280
Speaker 1: and they called me up and they said, you know, hey,

2219
02:11:13,520 --> 02:11:16,160
Speaker 1: let's get together and do a sheet punt. And like

2220
02:11:16,200 --> 02:11:18,160
Speaker 1: those guys they're gonna tell me to do anything, I'm

2221
02:11:18,160 --> 02:11:20,480
Speaker 1: gonna do it, like and so I just said sure,

2222
02:11:20,480 --> 02:11:22,720
Speaker 1: and they're like, Okay, have you been shooting your bow?

2223
02:11:22,920 --> 02:11:24,840
Speaker 1: Like nope, Okay, Well meet me at the range. And

2224
02:11:24,840 --> 02:11:27,240
Speaker 1: I just like and I'll just listen to them because

2225
02:11:27,640 --> 02:11:31,800
Speaker 1: I don't know, they're just like they're my they're my teachers.

2226
02:11:31,960 --> 02:11:35,839
Speaker 1: And so then it just clicked naturally. And these guys, um,

2227
02:11:36,280 --> 02:11:39,760
Speaker 1: yeah I met you know, help me dial things in

2228
02:11:39,840 --> 02:11:45,160
Speaker 1: with my bow. Um, I'm just yeah, And I just

2229
02:11:45,280 --> 02:11:48,680
Speaker 1: like maybe I feel like I somehow with them. I

2230
02:11:48,680 --> 02:11:51,480
Speaker 1: feel like, oh, I have paid my dues, you know

2231
02:11:51,680 --> 02:11:54,200
Speaker 1: many times, fay my dues in this crew, and so

2232
02:11:54,360 --> 02:11:56,480
Speaker 1: when when they're gonna tell me to do something, I'm

2233
02:11:56,480 --> 02:11:58,280
Speaker 1: just gonna listen. And it was just such a cool

2234
02:11:58,400 --> 02:12:01,400
Speaker 1: learning process. And and then um, when we did go

2235
02:12:01,440 --> 02:12:04,600
Speaker 1: on a hunt, it was really neat because the sheep

2236
02:12:04,640 --> 02:12:07,520
Speaker 1: that we saw you know, my my friend Calais, who

2237
02:12:07,800 --> 02:12:09,800
Speaker 1: was my dive mentor, he just say, oh, Kimmy, like

2238
02:12:09,880 --> 02:12:13,240
Speaker 1: they're sheep up there. But honestly, there's not enough trees.

2239
02:12:13,800 --> 02:12:17,320
Speaker 1: That's all all lava really crunchy and noisy. The only

2240
02:12:17,360 --> 02:12:19,360
Speaker 1: way you could possibly close this gap is if you

2241
02:12:19,400 --> 02:12:22,120
Speaker 1: go alone. I can't go with you, like go. And

2242
02:12:22,200 --> 02:12:24,840
Speaker 1: that was like the first time I felt like confident

2243
02:12:24,880 --> 02:12:27,240
Speaker 1: in myself because he's the guy that he would tell

2244
02:12:27,240 --> 02:12:30,040
Speaker 1: me like, I know you never told this deep before,

2245
02:12:30,440 --> 02:12:32,360
Speaker 1: but today I know you can do it, go to

2246
02:12:32,400 --> 02:12:34,640
Speaker 1: the bottom. And he would he would do that to me.

2247
02:12:34,680 --> 02:12:37,320
Speaker 1: And so when he told me go, it was like

2248
02:12:37,560 --> 02:12:40,720
Speaker 1: this nostalgic bliss and like prime anything. I'm like, I'm going,

2249
02:12:41,120 --> 02:12:44,720
Speaker 1: you know. And and so now I feel like, yeah,

2250
02:12:45,000 --> 02:12:48,640
Speaker 1: like I I feel like ready to embrace that, whereas

2251
02:12:48,680 --> 02:12:51,640
Speaker 1: before when it's just like people I don't know, like

2252
02:12:52,440 --> 02:12:54,600
Speaker 1: it's so nice and I'm not at all complaining. I

2253
02:12:54,640 --> 02:12:57,600
Speaker 1: really am happy that I have bows and stuff, you know,

2254
02:12:57,680 --> 02:12:59,800
Speaker 1: but just like sending me stuff, I just started to

2255
02:12:59,800 --> 02:13:02,480
Speaker 1: feel a little too privileged, where um, it made me

2256
02:13:02,560 --> 02:13:04,720
Speaker 1: kind of even back away from it more. I can't

2257
02:13:04,720 --> 02:13:06,680
Speaker 1: speak to the gear end of it. But in terms

2258
02:13:06,680 --> 02:13:08,920
Speaker 1: of the invitations and stuff end of it, I think

2259
02:13:08,960 --> 02:13:13,280
Speaker 1: that what you're experiencing is, like we talked about the transfer,

2260
02:13:14,240 --> 02:13:19,880
Speaker 1: is that you've hit um level of extreme competency at

2261
02:13:19,960 --> 02:13:24,760
Speaker 1: something that is recognized as being hard. So it's an

2262
02:13:24,760 --> 02:13:28,600
Speaker 1: easy jump for people to make to assume that if

2263
02:13:28,640 --> 02:13:32,720
Speaker 1: you can do that, if you can excel in that space, UM,

2264
02:13:32,800 --> 02:13:35,320
Speaker 1: that you would be a great asset to have along

2265
02:13:35,720 --> 02:13:39,360
Speaker 1: in this space. If I hear like, if if I'm

2266
02:13:39,400 --> 02:13:43,840
Speaker 1: hanging out with a soldier right who's gone through and done,

2267
02:13:44,240 --> 02:13:47,280
Speaker 1: you know, like they became like a special Operations soldier

2268
02:13:48,040 --> 02:13:50,680
Speaker 1: UM and lived in that world and excelled in that world.

2269
02:13:50,920 --> 02:13:57,000
Speaker 1: I have like zero apprehensions about going on a backpack

2270
02:13:57,080 --> 02:13:59,880
Speaker 1: hunt because I'm like, I don't really know that, but

2271
02:14:00,120 --> 02:14:02,600
Speaker 1: understand that to be like some hard ship you obviously

2272
02:14:02,640 --> 02:14:04,640
Speaker 1: are really good at that. I can imagine that that

2273
02:14:04,680 --> 02:14:07,760
Speaker 1: would jump over and then you'd be welcome here because

2274
02:14:07,800 --> 02:14:14,000
Speaker 1: it's it's it requires spatial awareness, acquires like organization acquires,

2275
02:14:14,000 --> 02:14:16,480
Speaker 1: an ability just to stay calm and think, it requires

2276
02:14:16,480 --> 02:14:20,560
Speaker 1: an ability to get along with other people around you, um,

2277
02:14:20,760 --> 02:14:22,920
Speaker 1: and so it's like easy to to make the jump.

2278
02:14:23,520 --> 02:14:26,840
Speaker 1: So I think that you're probably just being uh. People

2279
02:14:26,880 --> 02:14:29,600
Speaker 1: are like, maybe I don't even know that much about

2280
02:14:29,640 --> 02:14:32,440
Speaker 1: that ship. I understand that's extremely challenging. If you're that

2281
02:14:32,480 --> 02:14:34,800
Speaker 1: good at that, this will be a walk in the park. Yeah,

2282
02:14:34,840 --> 02:14:38,080
Speaker 1: I guess, I guess you're right. And I just, um,

2283
02:14:38,160 --> 02:14:42,120
Speaker 1: I guess I never really thought it would necessarily cross

2284
02:14:42,200 --> 02:14:45,800
Speaker 1: over the same. And it wasn't until those guys who

2285
02:14:46,080 --> 02:14:49,240
Speaker 1: have pretty much like well you know, trained me from scratch,

2286
02:14:49,280 --> 02:14:52,000
Speaker 1: who they pretty much said that exactly like what you

2287
02:14:52,080 --> 02:14:54,840
Speaker 1: just said, they said it to me. Um, No, you

2288
02:14:54,840 --> 02:14:56,880
Speaker 1: you've got this like if you said, like all of

2289
02:14:56,920 --> 02:15:00,600
Speaker 1: a sudden, like I'm gonna be like way into tennis. Um,

2290
02:15:00,640 --> 02:15:04,200
Speaker 1: I don't know that you would then right find that

2291
02:15:04,240 --> 02:15:08,400
Speaker 1: you would infiltrate that world just because And then it

2292
02:15:08,560 --> 02:15:11,120
Speaker 1: was so neat when I when I did stock that

2293
02:15:11,160 --> 02:15:14,560
Speaker 1: sheep to see how much it did cross over, like

2294
02:15:15,040 --> 02:15:18,240
Speaker 1: it really like I had no one else there to

2295
02:15:18,400 --> 02:15:20,400
Speaker 1: ask or or to blame or to do anything any

2296
02:15:20,400 --> 02:15:22,200
Speaker 1: decision I made with my own, and I just had

2297
02:15:22,240 --> 02:15:25,000
Speaker 1: to look at that environment in front of me, and

2298
02:15:25,040 --> 02:15:27,600
Speaker 1: I just looked for for the shadows in the level.

2299
02:15:27,680 --> 02:15:29,840
Speaker 1: I looked for like where to couch down. All that

2300
02:15:29,920 --> 02:15:36,640
Speaker 1: kind of stuff and that it really it was very similar. Uh. Oh,

2301
02:15:36,680 --> 02:15:41,160
Speaker 1: I gotta ask something real quick to you boys chester Chester.

2302
02:15:41,840 --> 02:15:46,200
Speaker 1: Uh talk about your impressions. Had you dove in salt

2303
02:15:46,200 --> 02:15:52,160
Speaker 1: water before? No? I tried, No, really, I mean I

2304
02:15:52,200 --> 02:15:57,600
Speaker 1: was on a snorkeling excursion kind of as we're fishing

2305
02:15:57,600 --> 02:16:02,400
Speaker 1: one time in Mexico, and uh, I remember our guide

2306
02:16:02,480 --> 02:16:06,320
Speaker 1: getting out and like diving down to the bottom and

2307
02:16:06,440 --> 02:16:10,640
Speaker 1: like looking for stuff and trying that and failing miserably.

2308
02:16:11,440 --> 02:16:15,000
Speaker 1: That was with my family back in the day. But yeah,

2309
02:16:15,040 --> 02:16:18,480
Speaker 1: I was really really excited to try it. Watching you

2310
02:16:18,600 --> 02:16:23,320
Speaker 1: guys um the first day, I didn't have a spear gun.

2311
02:16:23,440 --> 02:16:26,520
Speaker 1: I was just swimming around with a snorkel looking at stuff.

2312
02:16:26,840 --> 02:16:30,080
Speaker 1: And it is a different world. Like from the top,

2313
02:16:30,200 --> 02:16:33,960
Speaker 1: you just can't, I mean from out of the water.

2314
02:16:34,120 --> 02:16:37,720
Speaker 1: From out of the water, what's going on? You get

2315
02:16:37,920 --> 02:16:41,119
Speaker 1: down there and it it's like cracks and cliffs and

2316
02:16:41,120 --> 02:16:47,039
Speaker 1: crevices and um fish everywhere. And I the next day

2317
02:16:47,160 --> 02:16:50,680
Speaker 1: I ended up carrying around a three prong with some

2318
02:16:50,840 --> 02:16:54,280
Speaker 1: from some fins that I found here at the rental house,

2319
02:16:55,000 --> 02:17:00,600
Speaker 1: and uh, I borrowed dirts snorkel and was like messing

2320
02:17:00,640 --> 02:17:03,360
Speaker 1: around so you probably borrowed a little bit of chew two.

2321
02:17:04,959 --> 02:17:11,320
Speaker 1: Definitely borrowed a little bit. I need some of that, no, um,

2322
02:17:11,959 --> 02:17:15,760
Speaker 1: but yeah, I was swimming around by myself, and um,

2323
02:17:16,240 --> 02:17:18,600
Speaker 1: I was able to like get to the bottom and

2324
02:17:18,760 --> 02:17:22,440
Speaker 1: was like trying to like imagine, Okay, there's like a

2325
02:17:22,440 --> 02:17:25,039
Speaker 1: cliff here, so I'm gonna try and dive get to

2326
02:17:25,080 --> 02:17:27,080
Speaker 1: the edge of that and like peek over it, you know.

2327
02:17:27,200 --> 02:17:29,720
Speaker 1: And then you peek over and you're like, now I

2328
02:17:29,800 --> 02:17:34,720
Speaker 1: have no idea what I should go after, you know. Um.

2329
02:17:34,760 --> 02:17:39,360
Speaker 1: But I ended up I think, like sticking a fish

2330
02:17:39,400 --> 02:17:41,480
Speaker 1: and I didn't get him. It was like one of

2331
02:17:41,520 --> 02:17:44,400
Speaker 1: the ones that you guys had in the cooler with

2332
02:17:44,440 --> 02:17:47,920
Speaker 1: that three prong But then Steve came up and helped

2333
02:17:47,920 --> 02:17:51,440
Speaker 1: me out got I got the big spear gun um.

2334
02:17:51,800 --> 02:17:54,160
Speaker 1: And then you know, I was following Steve and he'd

2335
02:17:54,440 --> 02:17:56,760
Speaker 1: point out a fish and I look at him and

2336
02:17:56,800 --> 02:18:00,520
Speaker 1: sucking water and then spit it out again and point

2337
02:18:00,600 --> 02:18:04,880
Speaker 1: out the fish again, you know, and uh, I ended up.

2338
02:18:04,959 --> 02:18:08,600
Speaker 1: I think it was like the first got lucky, probably

2339
02:18:08,640 --> 02:18:11,200
Speaker 1: the first one or the second one that he pointed out,

2340
02:18:12,360 --> 02:18:17,120
Speaker 1: dove down and and shot and was surprised. It's just

2341
02:18:17,360 --> 02:18:19,920
Speaker 1: got him right behind the head, and um, you were

2342
02:18:19,959 --> 02:18:23,000
Speaker 1: more surprised in the fish maybe. Yeah. I was like,

2343
02:18:23,040 --> 02:18:26,280
Speaker 1: holy God, look at Steve and he's like a good job.

2344
02:18:26,360 --> 02:18:29,600
Speaker 1: And I got my first fish, So it was awesome.

2345
02:18:29,760 --> 02:18:33,720
Speaker 1: Proceeded to miss uh quite a few after and then

2346
02:18:33,879 --> 02:18:36,680
Speaker 1: pick my head on the surface and go see where

2347
02:18:36,680 --> 02:18:39,280
Speaker 1: Steve was and swim over there so you could load

2348
02:18:39,320 --> 02:18:43,680
Speaker 1: the gun again. But it was awesome and I could

2349
02:18:43,680 --> 02:18:47,280
Speaker 1: get into this for sure. Yeah, you feel the same way, Seth.

2350
02:18:47,520 --> 02:18:49,480
Speaker 1: You're not a water man. You're a water man, but

2351
02:18:49,520 --> 02:18:51,200
Speaker 1: you like to you like to probe the world with

2352
02:18:51,240 --> 02:18:54,320
Speaker 1: your walleye jig. Yeah. Yeah, I was telling you earlier.

2353
02:18:54,320 --> 02:18:57,280
Speaker 1: I like to feel the bottom with my my walleye

2354
02:18:57,320 --> 02:19:01,600
Speaker 1: jig rout and look at it. But no, it was

2355
02:19:01,760 --> 02:19:05,400
Speaker 1: my first time. I snorkeled a couple of times, like

2356
02:19:05,480 --> 02:19:07,680
Speaker 1: up in Maine on the lake when I was younger,

2357
02:19:08,040 --> 02:19:14,119
Speaker 1: but first time in the ocean, and when I first

2358
02:19:14,160 --> 02:19:16,120
Speaker 1: jumped in just getting used to everything, it was just

2359
02:19:16,200 --> 02:19:21,240
Speaker 1: like very stressful at first, like panic mode. I want

2360
02:19:21,240 --> 02:19:26,200
Speaker 1: to point out that it was u um, you know,

2361
02:19:26,800 --> 02:19:29,400
Speaker 1: like on a scale of one to ten of sort

2362
02:19:29,440 --> 02:19:33,760
Speaker 1: of like stressful places too to jump in I feel

2363
02:19:33,800 --> 02:19:36,720
Speaker 1: like it was over five because we were up in

2364
02:19:36,760 --> 02:19:40,560
Speaker 1: the rocks and there was yeah, some crashing waves. Is

2365
02:19:40,600 --> 02:19:43,720
Speaker 1: that like you're in some like lagoon. Yeah, it wasn't

2366
02:19:43,760 --> 02:19:47,800
Speaker 1: still water. You feel the forest of the swells coming

2367
02:19:47,840 --> 02:19:51,000
Speaker 1: in and in the noise element. I think, like you

2368
02:19:51,040 --> 02:19:53,440
Speaker 1: probably can't relate to say more, Kenny, but like there's

2369
02:19:53,480 --> 02:19:57,879
Speaker 1: a there's a stress inducing element to like the water

2370
02:19:58,000 --> 02:20:03,760
Speaker 1: moving bubbles in the water mouth will kind of make

2371
02:20:03,800 --> 02:20:07,520
Speaker 1: everything more intense. And the alarming thing to me was

2372
02:20:07,560 --> 02:20:09,600
Speaker 1: like my mask wasn't quite right, and I was like

2373
02:20:09,640 --> 02:20:13,280
Speaker 1: getting water up my nose and water down my tube

2374
02:20:13,320 --> 02:20:17,959
Speaker 1: and just trying to breathe that stash. Yeah, just trying

2375
02:20:18,000 --> 02:20:22,400
Speaker 1: to like you know, breathe normally while looking down in

2376
02:20:22,440 --> 02:20:25,640
Speaker 1: the water. Was was this like struggle at first? Once

2377
02:20:25,720 --> 02:20:28,600
Speaker 1: kept trying to encourage Seth to find something different to

2378
02:20:28,640 --> 02:20:32,039
Speaker 1: do with his hands. Yeah, I was just trying to

2379
02:20:32,040 --> 02:20:36,760
Speaker 1: like swim. But yeah, once I kind of got the

2380
02:20:36,840 --> 02:20:39,520
Speaker 1: hang of it and settled down, it was awesome after

2381
02:20:39,680 --> 02:20:44,640
Speaker 1: hovering over, you know, being in the air, right, you're

2382
02:20:44,680 --> 02:20:47,120
Speaker 1: over the ocean for a couple of days. When you

2383
02:20:47,200 --> 02:20:48,879
Speaker 1: got your when you got your face down there and

2384
02:20:48,879 --> 02:20:53,680
Speaker 1: looked around what was your feeling of finally, Oh, it

2385
02:20:53,760 --> 02:20:56,600
Speaker 1: was just like yeah, you like after beating in the

2386
02:20:56,640 --> 02:20:59,680
Speaker 1: boat for so many days, just like trying to picture

2387
02:20:59,720 --> 02:21:04,119
Speaker 1: what's going on down there. It's so different from when

2388
02:21:04,160 --> 02:21:06,879
Speaker 1: you actually stick your face down the wall and you're like, oh,

2389
02:21:07,360 --> 02:21:12,000
Speaker 1: that's what's down here, Like this is cool? Yeah, um,

2390
02:21:12,240 --> 02:21:13,959
Speaker 1: but no, it's cool. I definitely want to do it

2391
02:21:13,959 --> 02:21:16,040
Speaker 1: again and eventually at that point where I go down,

2392
02:21:17,160 --> 02:21:22,360
Speaker 1: start hunting, dive down. On another note, real quick, the

2393
02:21:22,440 --> 02:21:27,600
Speaker 1: clearing part, Like I basically got my eyeballs sucked out

2394
02:21:27,600 --> 02:21:32,400
Speaker 1: of my head yesterday, broke some blood vessels. Yeah, some

2395
02:21:32,480 --> 02:21:35,440
Speaker 1: blood was drawn on this track. Yeah. Yeah, when you

2396
02:21:36,440 --> 02:21:39,040
Speaker 1: when you go down, everyone is so focused on equalizing

2397
02:21:39,240 --> 02:21:42,560
Speaker 1: your ears and clearing your ears. But um, that air

2398
02:21:42,879 --> 02:21:46,039
Speaker 1: in your mask definitely starts to compress and compressing it. It

2399
02:21:45,879 --> 02:21:49,400
Speaker 1: It will suck your eyeballs right out if you don't

2400
02:21:49,480 --> 02:21:56,200
Speaker 1: equalize your mask too. Yeah, Kimmy, do you have any

2401
02:21:56,320 --> 02:21:59,200
Speaker 1: uh final things you'd like to talk about that you

2402
02:21:59,240 --> 02:22:02,240
Speaker 1: wish I had asked about and didn't ask And then

2403
02:22:02,320 --> 02:22:06,440
Speaker 1: also how can people go and see um the work

2404
02:22:06,520 --> 02:22:08,920
Speaker 1: that you and Justin put together and like like how

2405
02:22:08,959 --> 02:22:13,119
Speaker 1: should people go find you. I think I just um

2406
02:22:13,280 --> 02:22:17,680
Speaker 1: more so like curious to you guys, to you and caw,

2407
02:22:17,840 --> 02:22:19,840
Speaker 1: like I just want to hear from you about like

2408
02:22:21,000 --> 02:22:23,840
Speaker 1: you know, how how how it was, like how this

2409
02:22:23,920 --> 02:22:26,920
Speaker 1: whole trip was if you what you feel like you learn?

2410
02:22:27,000 --> 02:22:29,240
Speaker 1: Because I know on day one I told you like

2411
02:22:30,040 --> 02:22:33,480
Speaker 1: Hawaii is not necessarily the best place to come as

2412
02:22:33,520 --> 02:22:37,199
Speaker 1: a beginner, um because it's hard. You know, the fish

2413
02:22:37,480 --> 02:22:40,520
Speaker 1: are smart, like they might be everywhere and you can

2414
02:22:40,560 --> 02:22:43,000
Speaker 1: see them, but they're definitely don't make it easy on

2415
02:22:43,040 --> 02:22:46,959
Speaker 1: you and um, and so more than just me getting

2416
02:22:46,959 --> 02:22:49,240
Speaker 1: you on a fish, like, I think the bigger goal

2417
02:22:49,280 --> 02:22:52,600
Speaker 1: would be like really to learn how to hunt underwater.

2418
02:22:52,959 --> 02:22:57,200
Speaker 1: And for me personally, even though I said that to you,

2419
02:22:58,320 --> 02:23:02,080
Speaker 1: I was blown a way as we just did it

2420
02:23:02,200 --> 02:23:04,360
Speaker 1: day after day after day, and I really wish we

2421
02:23:04,360 --> 02:23:08,800
Speaker 1: were still doing it right now. Um, just watching you

2422
02:23:08,840 --> 02:23:12,320
Speaker 1: guys go through these steps and to me it felt

2423
02:23:12,360 --> 02:23:15,640
Speaker 1: like you were just learning so much constantly, and I

2424
02:23:15,680 --> 02:23:18,039
Speaker 1: just kind of want to know, like, yeah, what was

2425
02:23:18,080 --> 02:23:20,080
Speaker 1: that like, Like what did you learn? What did it

2426
02:23:20,160 --> 02:23:24,320
Speaker 1: feel like? Oh my gosh, I learned so much. I yes,

2427
02:23:24,440 --> 02:23:28,680
Speaker 1: for me, you know, it's like uh, you know, big

2428
02:23:28,720 --> 02:23:32,280
Speaker 1: win and and kind of a little disappointing at the

2429
02:23:32,320 --> 02:23:35,320
Speaker 1: same time, because like I knew coming into this trip

2430
02:23:35,400 --> 02:23:36,959
Speaker 1: that one of the things that I really had to

2431
02:23:37,000 --> 02:23:40,880
Speaker 1: fight was just like my eagerness and excitement. And I

2432
02:23:40,959 --> 02:23:44,720
Speaker 1: was so excited to be in the water and so excited,

2433
02:23:44,800 --> 02:23:48,440
Speaker 1: and and I was every single day, every like every

2434
02:23:48,480 --> 02:23:51,800
Speaker 1: minute of every day. You know, it's like, uh, Chester

2435
02:23:51,920 --> 02:23:54,480
Speaker 1: in a candy shop, right, He's gonna grab everything you can,

2436
02:23:54,640 --> 02:24:01,640
Speaker 1: like really really really going after it. UM And you know,

2437
02:24:01,680 --> 02:24:04,680
Speaker 1: I kind of failed at that really, Like I was

2438
02:24:04,760 --> 02:24:07,840
Speaker 1: just so excited, like elevated heart rate the whole time,

2439
02:24:07,959 --> 02:24:14,480
Speaker 1: just trying to just just really trying to uh you know,

2440
02:24:14,560 --> 02:24:16,920
Speaker 1: it's like the old you know, I got a dad

2441
02:24:16,959 --> 02:24:19,440
Speaker 1: as a football coach ort or football coach as a

2442
02:24:19,520 --> 02:24:21,760
Speaker 1: dad who was like, you know, go go, go, go go,

2443
02:24:22,480 --> 02:24:26,880
Speaker 1: and for me, instead of like calming down and slowing down,

2444
02:24:27,600 --> 02:24:31,560
Speaker 1: it's like just work really hard and pushed through. It

2445
02:24:31,640 --> 02:24:33,640
Speaker 1: is kind of steal what what comes out, and I

2446
02:24:33,680 --> 02:24:37,400
Speaker 1: just need to get a better better handle on that. UM.

2447
02:24:37,440 --> 02:24:50,480
Speaker 1: But the consistency of finding like very legitimate opportunities, like

2448
02:24:50,640 --> 02:24:56,920
Speaker 1: I absolutely no the first time I did this, UM

2449
02:24:57,360 --> 02:25:01,840
Speaker 1: part of me was like definitely gott Key had some

2450
02:25:01,920 --> 02:25:05,400
Speaker 1: success but definitely got lucky doing it. Um, I wonder

2451
02:25:05,440 --> 02:25:09,280
Speaker 1: if I could pull that off again. And you know,

2452
02:25:09,360 --> 02:25:12,039
Speaker 1: after this trip, like like I know I can get food,

2453
02:25:13,200 --> 02:25:18,920
Speaker 1: which is awesome and a huge accomplishment, right, So like, um,

2454
02:25:18,959 --> 02:25:22,480
Speaker 1: the consistency of finding those really good opportunities, even though

2455
02:25:22,520 --> 02:25:25,760
Speaker 1: I didn't capitalize on all of them or even a

2456
02:25:25,840 --> 02:25:31,160
Speaker 1: third of them, probably, um, is a huge accomplishment. Oh

2457
02:25:31,200 --> 02:25:33,240
Speaker 1: my god. But just the fact that you capitalize on

2458
02:25:33,360 --> 02:25:36,040
Speaker 1: even like even if it's just one, Like I just

2459
02:25:36,080 --> 02:25:39,800
Speaker 1: think that's not that's a huge win. Like you shot

2460
02:25:40,320 --> 02:25:44,280
Speaker 1: a legitimateho, like you shot a parrot fish Like that

2461
02:25:44,440 --> 02:25:47,160
Speaker 1: was like when I told people you guys were coming,

2462
02:25:47,280 --> 02:25:48,800
Speaker 1: Like one of the first thing they said was, well,

2463
02:25:48,800 --> 02:25:50,480
Speaker 1: there's no way they'd be able to shoot a new

2464
02:25:50,480 --> 02:25:55,800
Speaker 1: who And like like I just think, um, now, the

2465
02:25:55,840 --> 02:25:58,240
Speaker 1: fact that you accomplished that, Like I don't I don't

2466
02:25:58,240 --> 02:26:01,080
Speaker 1: even know if you realized what you pomplished, because that's

2467
02:26:01,080 --> 02:26:04,840
Speaker 1: a big deal. Yeah, I mean, it's just it's it's

2468
02:26:04,840 --> 02:26:06,800
Speaker 1: like bitter sweet, I guess what I'm getting at. Like

2469
02:26:06,879 --> 02:26:11,720
Speaker 1: watching uh, you know you ingin in the water, like

2470
02:26:11,800 --> 02:26:14,320
Speaker 1: part of me is like almost in panic. Mode of like,

2471
02:26:14,360 --> 02:26:16,959
Speaker 1: oh my god, did you like squander this opportunity? Did

2472
02:26:17,000 --> 02:26:21,000
Speaker 1: you not leach enough knowledge out of those two? Like,

2473
02:26:21,080 --> 02:26:23,680
Speaker 1: while you know it's it's right here, did did you

2474
02:26:23,720 --> 02:26:25,920
Speaker 1: not get enough out of him? You know that's and

2475
02:26:26,000 --> 02:26:28,040
Speaker 1: maybe that's just being in the learning curve, you know.

2476
02:26:29,560 --> 02:26:31,199
Speaker 1: I think if my head to look where I got

2477
02:26:32,840 --> 02:26:35,840
Speaker 1: this trip, um you have, Like I don't want to

2478
02:26:35,840 --> 02:26:38,080
Speaker 1: explain a little bit about my history with being curious

2479
02:26:38,080 --> 02:26:42,640
Speaker 1: about it is um. I mentioned earlier we got that

2480
02:26:43,040 --> 02:26:45,680
Speaker 1: pols beer when I was ten, and we would go

2481
02:26:45,720 --> 02:26:48,279
Speaker 1: out in our lake with an onion sack and shoot

2482
02:26:48,280 --> 02:26:51,199
Speaker 1: blue gulls off the bed and stuffed into an onion

2483
02:26:51,240 --> 02:26:53,480
Speaker 1: sack illegally, but like when you're a little kid, you

2484
02:26:53,520 --> 02:26:56,320
Speaker 1: can do things like if you were growing up in

2485
02:26:56,360 --> 02:26:59,520
Speaker 1: that lake, it would last five minutes. But his kids

2486
02:26:59,520 --> 02:27:02,080
Speaker 1: like kids, right, So I've always had a little bit

2487
02:27:02,080 --> 02:27:08,080
Speaker 1: of that curiosity about it, um. And I always had

2488
02:27:08,120 --> 02:27:09,400
Speaker 1: a lot of problems in my ears when I was

2489
02:27:09,400 --> 02:27:12,840
Speaker 1: a kid, getting water in my ears, going to like

2490
02:27:13,200 --> 02:27:16,320
Speaker 1: ear drum problems, my mom bringing me to the medstop

2491
02:27:16,400 --> 02:27:19,959
Speaker 1: like and I uh, I felt like I can't, like

2492
02:27:19,959 --> 02:27:22,640
Speaker 1: I'll never be able to spearfish because but my my

2493
02:27:22,800 --> 02:27:25,519
Speaker 1: I suffer from my ears all the time, ear infections,

2494
02:27:25,560 --> 02:27:29,080
Speaker 1: all kinds of jump um. And then when I started

2495
02:27:29,080 --> 02:27:32,400
Speaker 1: to get I kind of presented my friend Greg Fons,

2496
02:27:32,480 --> 02:27:35,120
Speaker 1: like this problem. He said that many people feel they

2497
02:27:35,160 --> 02:27:37,280
Speaker 1: have that problem. He's always hearing about people that can't

2498
02:27:37,280 --> 02:27:38,960
Speaker 1: dive because the ears. But it's just a lot of

2499
02:27:39,000 --> 02:27:41,960
Speaker 1: things you need to learn. It's a learned thing. And

2500
02:27:42,040 --> 02:27:46,640
Speaker 1: had some of my first like real legitimate spear fishing experiences,

2501
02:27:47,320 --> 02:27:49,880
Speaker 1: and he started to supply me with some equipment and

2502
02:27:50,080 --> 02:27:52,480
Speaker 1: kind of walked me through the gear. And then I

2503
02:27:52,520 --> 02:27:58,000
Speaker 1: was in this world of of uh with the actual gear,

2504
02:27:58,640 --> 02:28:01,440
Speaker 1: which is hard to get used to, and then being

2505
02:28:01,440 --> 02:28:04,160
Speaker 1: in the water and like trying to learn through a

2506
02:28:04,240 --> 02:28:06,520
Speaker 1: thing that you told yourself you can't do, Like like

2507
02:28:06,560 --> 02:28:09,320
Speaker 1: I just didn't think I could go under water to

2508
02:28:09,400 --> 02:28:12,640
Speaker 1: any real depth six ten ft whatever because I thought

2509
02:28:12,680 --> 02:28:15,760
Speaker 1: my ears would get hurt. So I was struggling to

2510
02:28:15,840 --> 02:28:19,480
Speaker 1: understand the gear, struggling to get over my fear of

2511
02:28:19,640 --> 02:28:22,360
Speaker 1: what would happen to my ears and how to stop

2512
02:28:22,400 --> 02:28:25,720
Speaker 1: that from happening to my ears, and then just being

2513
02:28:25,800 --> 02:28:30,840
Speaker 1: uncomfortable in an ocean environment and the unknowns right because

2514
02:28:30,840 --> 02:28:33,480
Speaker 1: I spent so much time and very comfortable around fresh water,

2515
02:28:34,040 --> 02:28:35,880
Speaker 1: but um, there's just a lot less going on as

2516
02:28:35,920 --> 02:28:39,400
Speaker 1: much less it's it's much less dynamic environment anywhere in

2517
02:28:39,440 --> 02:28:42,000
Speaker 1: fresh water, so it's not moving as much, there's not

2518
02:28:42,040 --> 02:28:44,160
Speaker 1: as much depth, there's not as much abundance of life,

2519
02:28:44,280 --> 02:28:47,200
Speaker 1: there's not all the unknowns. You know, I could tell

2520
02:28:47,200 --> 02:28:49,120
Speaker 1: you most lakes category I said, there is not a

2521
02:28:49,160 --> 02:28:51,560
Speaker 1: fish longer than this in this lake, and say it

2522
02:28:51,560 --> 02:28:53,879
Speaker 1: with like a lot of certainty that that's the case.

2523
02:28:54,240 --> 02:28:58,760
Speaker 1: But in the oceans, like ship, I don't know. It's stressful. Um,

2524
02:28:58,840 --> 02:29:00,360
Speaker 1: So I think it for a long time now, the

2525
02:29:00,480 --> 02:29:02,879
Speaker 1: last few years, for sure, I've talked about how like

2526
02:29:02,959 --> 02:29:05,120
Speaker 1: I want to be a spear fisherman, I would like

2527
02:29:05,200 --> 02:29:09,280
Speaker 1: to be a spear fisherman. Um on this trip, or

2528
02:29:09,320 --> 02:29:12,039
Speaker 1: like the couple of days of pretty intense training and

2529
02:29:12,160 --> 02:29:14,480
Speaker 1: exercise we had, I finally got to a point a

2530
02:29:14,520 --> 02:29:16,520
Speaker 1: little bit where I was like, I got comfortable with

2531
02:29:16,560 --> 02:29:20,600
Speaker 1: the equipment and I wasn't at any I caught moments

2532
02:29:20,640 --> 02:29:23,200
Speaker 1: where I wasn't having like a nagging problem of not

2533
02:29:23,360 --> 02:29:27,920
Speaker 1: understanding some aspect of the equipment, like knowing what the

2534
02:29:28,040 --> 02:29:32,400
Speaker 1: lead is supposed to feel like my mask isn't inexplicably

2535
02:29:32,480 --> 02:29:37,080
Speaker 1: leaking all the time, right, and and I like know

2536
02:29:37,080 --> 02:29:39,879
Speaker 1: how to load my own gun, and when it's messed up,

2537
02:29:39,879 --> 02:29:42,240
Speaker 1: I'm able to quickly ascertain what's messed up. I don't

2538
02:29:42,240 --> 02:29:44,920
Speaker 1: need to go ask somebody. So to hit that point

2539
02:29:44,920 --> 02:29:48,360
Speaker 1: where I'm I I I'm comfortable with the gear finally,

2540
02:29:48,400 --> 02:29:51,640
Speaker 1: and I can finally look around and I can finally

2541
02:29:51,720 --> 02:29:55,720
Speaker 1: understand at least what I need to know about my ears,

2542
02:29:55,800 --> 02:30:00,160
Speaker 1: Like there's a there's a pathway to like get like

2543
02:30:00,200 --> 02:30:03,600
Speaker 1: here's where my problem occurs. And sometimes I'm able to

2544
02:30:03,640 --> 02:30:06,320
Speaker 1: do it. Sometimes I don't, but I'm able to be

2545
02:30:06,360 --> 02:30:09,640
Speaker 1: like here's why that didn't Here's why that dive didn't work.

2546
02:30:10,320 --> 02:30:13,160
Speaker 1: I guess I for the first Like there's a day

2547
02:30:13,280 --> 02:30:15,879
Speaker 1: or two days here where I felt like, um, I

2548
02:30:15,959 --> 02:30:21,080
Speaker 1: was actually spear fishing and that wasn't just overwhelmed with

2549
02:30:23,080 --> 02:30:25,000
Speaker 1: anxiety and like what the hell is this thing for?

2550
02:30:25,240 --> 02:30:27,520
Speaker 1: And why is that that way? And is it normal

2551
02:30:27,560 --> 02:30:30,880
Speaker 1: that I can't see ship because it's all foggy? You know?

2552
02:30:31,560 --> 02:30:34,120
Speaker 1: I didn't drink a gallon of salt water today because

2553
02:30:34,120 --> 02:30:39,640
Speaker 1: I can't remember where the snorkel isn't isn't or Greg

2554
02:30:39,680 --> 02:30:43,000
Speaker 1: Fons remember this. I didn't lose my snorkel. You know.

2555
02:30:43,520 --> 02:30:45,720
Speaker 1: I just like God, like I'm here, I'm actually here.

2556
02:30:46,600 --> 02:30:49,680
Speaker 1: I'm fishing, you know, And I felt good, man, it

2557
02:30:49,720 --> 02:30:51,840
Speaker 1: felt good to be like to have some moments where

2558
02:30:51,840 --> 02:30:56,600
Speaker 1: I was there. Yeah. I think it was really good

2559
02:30:56,600 --> 02:30:59,240
Speaker 1: that you guys both It seems that you both came

2560
02:31:00,040 --> 02:31:03,199
Speaker 1: with a lot of that just figured out which was cool.

2561
02:31:03,320 --> 02:31:06,360
Speaker 1: Like you guys both seem to have your gear dialed

2562
02:31:06,440 --> 02:31:09,680
Speaker 1: and every because like even um, you know when when

2563
02:31:09,720 --> 02:31:11,760
Speaker 1: Seth was talking about just like getting in as you

2564
02:31:11,760 --> 02:31:14,560
Speaker 1: get a whole different world, and like I all, like

2565
02:31:14,640 --> 02:31:16,879
Speaker 1: I think, was like that must just be so crazy

2566
02:31:17,000 --> 02:31:19,400
Speaker 1: to just have your face in the water for the

2567
02:31:19,440 --> 02:31:22,480
Speaker 1: first time and just to tell yourself to breathe, you know,

2568
02:31:22,600 --> 02:31:25,360
Speaker 1: like we're not used to breathing through snarkles, and when

2569
02:31:25,360 --> 02:31:27,720
Speaker 1: you are used to your face being wet and in water,

2570
02:31:27,879 --> 02:31:30,320
Speaker 1: like I would think that just your reflex would be

2571
02:31:30,440 --> 02:31:31,840
Speaker 1: And I see all the time people just put their

2572
02:31:31,840 --> 02:31:33,320
Speaker 1: head out of the water to breathe. They don't want

2573
02:31:33,360 --> 02:31:35,920
Speaker 1: to breathe thro their snarkle. They don't trust it, and

2574
02:31:36,000 --> 02:31:38,400
Speaker 1: it takes a long time. I think to get kind

2575
02:31:38,400 --> 02:31:43,560
Speaker 1: of dialed and comfortable with your gear then with yeah,

2576
02:31:43,600 --> 02:31:48,879
Speaker 1: this crazy different world, and I guess I'm yeah, I'm

2577
02:31:48,879 --> 02:31:51,560
Speaker 1: just glad that you guys put in the time that

2578
02:31:51,600 --> 02:31:56,800
Speaker 1: you did prior because you came. I don't know, I

2579
02:31:56,840 --> 02:31:59,320
Speaker 1: feel I feel like you're both spear fisher men, like

2580
02:31:59,360 --> 02:32:03,080
Speaker 1: I definitely do. I think, UM, when I hear you say, oh,

2581
02:32:03,120 --> 02:32:05,240
Speaker 1: I want to be a spear fisherman, like you know,

2582
02:32:05,360 --> 02:32:10,560
Speaker 1: you know, I know that you could go and, like

2583
02:32:10,600 --> 02:32:14,039
Speaker 1: you said, get dinner and go feed yourself like like exactly,

2584
02:32:14,040 --> 02:32:15,760
Speaker 1: even just like found an octopus. And I know that

2585
02:32:15,840 --> 02:32:18,840
Speaker 1: kind of stuff happens by chance. It happens like when

2586
02:32:18,879 --> 02:32:20,360
Speaker 1: you're just in the right place at the right time.

2587
02:32:20,400 --> 02:32:24,840
Speaker 1: But that is spear fishing. And UM, I just think

2588
02:32:24,879 --> 02:32:29,760
Speaker 1: it's it's super cool to see that you guys can

2589
02:32:29,840 --> 02:32:34,360
Speaker 1: now enter this underwater world and just leave with dinner,

2590
02:32:34,800 --> 02:32:38,640
Speaker 1: you know, very cool, very cool. Can I ask what

2591
02:32:38,920 --> 02:32:42,160
Speaker 1: you two are doing next? Yeah? And roll in the

2592
02:32:42,240 --> 02:32:46,640
Speaker 1: how do people find you? Part of that? Um? We

2593
02:32:46,720 --> 02:32:50,720
Speaker 1: have no idea what we're really doing. UM, but we

2594
02:32:51,200 --> 02:32:53,800
Speaker 1: I mean, we created a YouTube channel. We created a

2595
02:32:53,800 --> 02:32:57,640
Speaker 1: YouTube stop real quick because like the WI the first

2596
02:32:57,640 --> 02:33:00,800
Speaker 1: time that we actually met. So we met through some friends.

2597
02:33:01,160 --> 02:33:04,000
Speaker 1: Kimmy was doing a talk in in Catching, where I

2598
02:33:04,080 --> 02:33:07,119
Speaker 1: used to live, and and we ended up having many

2599
02:33:07,240 --> 02:33:10,920
Speaker 1: many talks when we overlapped on that trip, and and uh,

2600
02:33:12,040 --> 02:33:16,840
Speaker 1: there was It's it's funny that one of the conversations

2601
02:33:16,920 --> 02:33:22,280
Speaker 1: was like, uh, Kimmy's an international traveler, international woman of mystery,

2602
02:33:22,360 --> 02:33:25,760
Speaker 1: like going all around the world spear fishing everywhere, and

2603
02:33:25,760 --> 02:33:32,680
Speaker 1: and just got this incredibly supportive boyfriend, a long time boyfriend. Um,

2604
02:33:32,720 --> 02:33:37,280
Speaker 1: justin at home, and you had set this like, um

2605
02:33:37,600 --> 02:33:41,000
Speaker 1: kind of date for yourself for benchmark to like, well,

2606
02:33:41,000 --> 02:33:43,440
Speaker 1: I thought I would start a family at this point,

2607
02:33:43,480 --> 02:33:46,160
Speaker 1: but that's kind of I've already passed that now. And

2608
02:33:46,160 --> 02:33:52,160
Speaker 1: there's all these other events and and things going on right. Uh,

2609
02:33:52,200 --> 02:33:57,560
Speaker 1: but you know, like as the world turns, it's like married, baby,

2610
02:33:58,959 --> 02:34:03,240
Speaker 1: and and so what's next. Yeah, that that is that's

2611
02:34:03,240 --> 02:34:06,840
Speaker 1: all very true. Um. And it's crazy like with that

2612
02:34:06,920 --> 02:34:11,000
Speaker 1: transition from going from just like traveling all the time constantly,

2613
02:34:11,520 --> 02:34:13,320
Speaker 1: see then all of that is coming to a screeching

2614
02:34:13,360 --> 02:34:17,200
Speaker 1: halt um with with having a baby and then COVID

2615
02:34:17,200 --> 02:34:22,200
Speaker 1: happening at the exact same time. Um, we I ended

2616
02:34:22,280 --> 02:34:25,840
Speaker 1: up staying home and it's ended up being the smoothest transition.

2617
02:34:26,600 --> 02:34:30,280
Speaker 1: Um somehow, Like I thought i'd get itchy, I thought

2618
02:34:30,320 --> 02:34:33,640
Speaker 1: I'd missed traveling, and Justin and I just ended up

2619
02:34:34,040 --> 02:34:38,240
Speaker 1: creating this YouTube channel together and just really filming the

2620
02:34:38,280 --> 02:34:41,640
Speaker 1: adventures of everyone backyard. It's a lot of spear fishing

2621
02:34:41,680 --> 02:34:45,760
Speaker 1: pretty much every episode. We're going out, going, diving, getting food,

2622
02:34:46,080 --> 02:34:48,000
Speaker 1: cooking it up, trying to do it all with our

2623
02:34:48,200 --> 02:34:51,320
Speaker 1: baby buddy in toe and um and that is a

2624
02:34:51,360 --> 02:34:55,039
Speaker 1: whole another fun adventure and challenge of its own, and

2625
02:34:55,240 --> 02:34:59,720
Speaker 1: it's just kept me so entertained and kept us so busy. Um.

2626
02:34:59,760 --> 02:35:01,959
Speaker 1: And we've done that for a year now. We put

2627
02:35:02,000 --> 02:35:05,720
Speaker 1: out an episode a week for a year, one year

2628
02:35:05,720 --> 02:35:08,600
Speaker 1: and we just finished that year and now we're just

2629
02:35:08,640 --> 02:35:11,640
Speaker 1: trying to feel where the inspiration is going. Yeah, take

2630
02:35:11,680 --> 02:35:14,880
Speaker 1: a great break and kind of recollect. That's a lot

2631
02:35:14,920 --> 02:35:19,320
Speaker 1: of work. One episode a week with the baby that

2632
02:35:19,400 --> 02:35:23,279
Speaker 1: was a what's the YouTube channel? It's just called Kimmy Werner. Yeah.

2633
02:35:23,360 --> 02:35:25,800
Speaker 1: I think it's like at kay, I am I Space

2634
02:35:25,879 --> 02:35:29,280
Speaker 1: Warner and on Instagram you're Kimmy Swimmy. I am Kimmy Swimmy. Yeah.

2635
02:35:30,400 --> 02:35:34,440
Speaker 1: It is k I am I underscore s W I

2636
02:35:34,720 --> 02:35:41,080
Speaker 1: M M y and uh we're here filming so with

2637
02:35:41,080 --> 02:35:44,240
Speaker 1: with with Kimmy as a guest on our show, which

2638
02:35:44,240 --> 02:35:47,600
Speaker 1: will come out on Netflix next fall. And Justin all

2639
02:35:47,680 --> 02:35:51,440
Speaker 1: the underwater photography you'll be all see his handy word

2640
02:35:52,320 --> 02:36:01,360
Speaker 1: which the clips we're seeing good watching you guys the

2641
02:36:01,480 --> 02:36:04,680
Speaker 1: Holy Holy our favorite fish and just the surge and

2642
02:36:04,720 --> 02:36:07,840
Speaker 1: getting whacked against rocks and just like you guys coming

2643
02:36:07,920 --> 02:36:10,200
Speaker 1: up with one because it's not easy, and seeing how

2644
02:36:10,280 --> 02:36:12,320
Speaker 1: much you learned in those couple of days and applying

2645
02:36:12,360 --> 02:36:14,800
Speaker 1: it to like going back to the three prong and

2646
02:36:14,840 --> 02:36:17,720
Speaker 1: going back to small fish. You guys succeeded and that

2647
02:36:17,760 --> 02:36:20,840
Speaker 1: was really cool. Yeah, Justin had to wear a lot

2648
02:36:20,879 --> 02:36:22,600
Speaker 1: of hats, So I feel like we really need to

2649
02:36:22,640 --> 02:36:24,960
Speaker 1: make sure he gets his do here when you watch

2650
02:36:25,240 --> 02:36:28,760
Speaker 1: when you watch um, when you watch me Eating on

2651
02:36:28,840 --> 02:36:31,840
Speaker 1: Netflix and you get to the spearfishing episode with Kimmy

2652
02:36:32,080 --> 02:36:37,120
Speaker 1: all the underwater workers, Justin he was a mentor. Might

2653
02:36:37,400 --> 02:36:38,840
Speaker 1: I might put on the credits that I did it?

2654
02:36:41,040 --> 02:36:42,560
Speaker 1: Know you guys, do you all have shots because you

2655
02:36:42,600 --> 02:36:48,279
Speaker 1: were wearing GoPros and stuff, so you guys get credit, right? No, No, cinema.

2656
02:36:49,160 --> 02:36:53,040
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, spell your deal out, uh cinema c I

2657
02:36:53,240 --> 02:36:56,400
Speaker 1: N E M A t OW s k I. My

2658
02:36:56,480 --> 02:37:00,000
Speaker 1: name is Justin Turkowsky a combination of it. But yeah

2659
02:37:00,080 --> 02:37:02,800
Speaker 1: and then um yeah, So check these guys out on Instagram,

2660
02:37:02,879 --> 02:37:07,240
Speaker 1: check out the YouTube channel, and thanks and stay tuned

2661
02:37:07,400 --> 02:37:11,080
Speaker 1: because we'll you will get up close and personal with

2662
02:37:11,800 --> 02:37:15,800
Speaker 1: Kimmy Werner on an upcoming episode of Meat Eater, which will,

2663
02:37:15,840 --> 02:37:19,440
Speaker 1: like I said, will come out next fall. So till

2664
02:37:19,480 --> 02:37:22,160
Speaker 1: then hangs off. All right, thanks guys, appreciate it, Thank you,

2665
02:37:22,360 --> 02:37:23,000
Speaker 1: Thanks guys,