1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:27,639 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to 2 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: the show, fellow Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so 3 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:33,919 Speaker 1: much for tuning in. Let's give it up for our 4 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: super producer, mister Max Williams, who is. 5 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 2: Back alive again. Woo hoo, I'm here y'all. 6 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 3: Oh wait, it said barely a live a minute ago. 7 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:46,840 Speaker 3: You've updated. You've updated your non de de zoom. Ah, 8 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 3: that should be a thing. 9 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 4: I'm gonna zoom. That's a good one. 10 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 3: I'm sorry that hasn't already been coined. I take credit 11 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:53,319 Speaker 3: fully right now. 12 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: No, that's a great one. Yeah, it's on record now. 13 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: We call that the poor Man's patent or the poor 14 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: man's trademark. We said it publicly. That's Noel Brown. 15 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 4: That Library of Congress, Patent Office whatever. 16 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's Noel Brown right there, coming in with the 17 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: hot trademarks. I am Ben Bollen, and today, folks, we 18 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 1: are back on our completely self inflicted mission to make 19 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: at least one episode about every state in these United States. 20 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: And I looked at the I looked at the files. NOL, 21 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: we're doing pretty well. 22 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, guys, how far how deep are we into 23 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 3: these United States? 24 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: Well, luckily, our pal Max has made a handy spreadsheet 25 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: which is no offense classic Max it is. 26 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:42,559 Speaker 4: It's called States breadsheets. 27 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 2: And I'm a nerd, and I. 28 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 3: Thought these are the formulas and everything. One time I 29 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 3: accidentally copied over one and I immediately got an aggressive text. 30 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 5: Aggressive the risk modeling class in college, and I thought 31 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 5: I knew how to use Excel until I took a 32 00:01:57,560 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 5: risk modeling class. 33 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 2: I also learned that risk modeling is not yeah, easy subject. 34 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: Also, I've been I've been risky with models in the past. 35 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 4: We're gonna take that. We're gonna just sit with that one. 36 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 3: But Max is risk modeling something that might be helpful 37 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:19,079 Speaker 3: in predicting the path of Hurricane Helene. 38 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 4: More. 39 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, I guess yeah, risk modeling. Risk modeling 40 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: is weaponized statistics. 41 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:29,119 Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, yeah, it's very good at guessing how long 42 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 5: you will live. 43 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 4: Nol okay cool. 44 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, yeah, hopefully we will all live through this storm. 45 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:36,359 Speaker 3: We had some nasty rains yesterday. It looks like today 46 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 3: might not be quite as bad. But then starting tomorrow morning, 47 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 3: us being here in the metro Atlanta area, we might 48 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,240 Speaker 3: see some catastrophic weather events. 49 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: So luck yeah, This is being recorded on Thursday, September 50 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: twenty sixth, just in case we don't make it through. Friday, 51 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: September twenty seventh is when the storm will hit Atlanta. 52 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: Our thoughts are, of course, with the people who are 53 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: more directly in the path are our good friends in 54 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: the southeast part of the United States, most particularly in Florida, 55 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: also all points below. So everybody, if you're hearing this, 56 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: congratulations you have survived the hurricane. We actually have been 57 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 1: backstage doing some horse trading to figure out the best 58 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 1: times to record because we often record remotely. So we 59 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 1: are very much and this is not to do with 60 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: Mark Twain. We are very much the equivalent of early 61 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: deep sea divers. When we record remotely. We have tubes, 62 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: just like deep sea divers had tubes connecting them to oxygen, 63 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 1: and our tubes are the Internet. 64 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 3: This is the most wonderful ask to get to elbow 65 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 3: analogy I could possibly imagine. 66 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 4: And I am here for a my friends, no bathospheres? 67 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 4: Well we could get some bath We'll check the budget. 68 00:03:59,080 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 4: How y'all have tubes? 69 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 2: I have a bathosphere? 70 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 4: Yeah? Was that? 71 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: Like? 72 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 2: Is that? 73 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: What? 74 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 4: Was that the same as a diving bell? 75 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 5: It's it's like the next step after a diving bell. 76 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 5: It's like a perfect circle when because of its shape, 77 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 5: the pressure of the sea. 78 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 4: Has a heart. Oh, it's the spaceman helmet, the underwater 79 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 4: space man. 80 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: No, no, like no, no, no, it's it's it's like 81 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: a it's like a tiny it's like the submarine version 82 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:22,799 Speaker 1: of a capsule hotel. 83 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 4: Right. 84 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 3: And the diving bell was even more technologically simple than that. 85 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 4: It's just a bell. 86 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 5: It dropped down and it had oxygen in it, so 87 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 5: you could swim and. 88 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 3: It would just create a seal with the water, just 89 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 3: by the way science works, capillary action or some such. 90 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 2: You know who's a big fan of diving bells, Mark Twain. 91 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: Well, what we're saying is the bathosphere works because Mark 92 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: Twain did not invest in it. And and we're also 93 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: saying again just to show that analogy up, we want 94 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 1: to get this done as long as we have power here. 95 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 1: We have quite a few states uh still left to cover. Uh, 96 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 1: but we're actually on the other side of it, folks. 97 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: This is our Connecticut episode. Oh when I said quite 98 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: a few guys, incorrect, guys, we only have one, two, three, four, five. 99 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 3: Hey, can this also be a Missouri episode. We talk 100 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 3: about Missouri in this episode. 101 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 4: Let's double up on Missouri. Yeah, because yeah, well we'll 102 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 4: double up we actually episode Yeah at least three Yes. 103 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 1: Missouri, if you please, yes when we do, no, and 104 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: we'll we'll make this the fourth Wood as well as 105 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 1: our Connecticut episode. Connecticut known as the Constitution state where 106 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: our pal, our old alum, Trace Domingas from our discovery days. 107 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 4: Uh. 108 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 1: He recently moved to Connecticut, and he confirmed that a 109 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 1: Connecticut style pizza is a thing and be he said, 110 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:02,359 Speaker 1: it's pretty great. 111 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 4: What may I ask? Is Connecticut style? Oh, I'm so 112 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 4: glad you asked. 113 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: Okay, so Connecticut style pizza is not the kind it's 114 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: not like, uh, you know, like deep dish Chicago pizza. 115 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: It's quite the opposite. It's a it's known for being 116 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 1: very thin crust and coal fired. Uh. 117 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 4: Sometimes I'll put clams on it. Okay, I'm here for that. 118 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 3: Is that a white pizza with like a creamy base 119 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 3: with clams or where clams on a red sauce base. 120 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 4: Yeah. 121 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: The the one that, uh, the one that Trace told 122 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:41,039 Speaker 1: me about he had, well, we'll actually had to he 123 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: said one was just a plain sort of Neapolitan style pizza, 124 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:51,280 Speaker 1: and then I think Trace or someone else had one 125 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: that was just olive oil, oregano, cheese, garlic, and clams. 126 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 3: So it's pretty good. Yeah, no tomato. I like that 127 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 3: really quickly. Not to derail too deep. But while we're 128 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 3: talking about pizza, have you guys heard of Pittsburgh style pizza. Yes, 129 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 3: it's hot, crispy pizza with cold toppings. 130 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 4: Yeah. 131 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: I have not tried it, you know, I was in 132 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh a few years back. I haven't tried it, but 133 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: I wonder if it's like that. I wonder if it's 134 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 1: a normalization thing, like in Pittsburgh. Did they just call 135 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: it pizza? Did they not know about hot pepperoni and 136 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: stuff like that. 137 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know. 138 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 3: I imagine they do just call it pizza. But yeah, 139 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 3: it's my buddy Theo, who's a burger. 140 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 4: He mentioned it. 141 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 3: He posted something up or maybe I saw a meme 142 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 3: about it that was implying that it was awful, and 143 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 3: I said it to him and he said, no, it's 144 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 3: actually great because the hotness of the crust kind of 145 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 3: slowly starts to melt the toppings. 146 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 4: But there's something. 147 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 3: About the combinations of textures and temperatures. That makes it 148 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 3: kind of pleasant. So I don't know who am I 149 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 3: to say, I'll try it. Yeah, we'll try I'll lot 150 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 3: of you. 151 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: Who else would try stuff? Mark Twain and Trace to 152 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: me is ed. Also, just to finish this part up, 153 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: if you like our show, you'll love Tracey's show. That's absurd. 154 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: Please elaborate available everywhere, give him a review. Televivie senta. 155 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 3: We should have Trace on the show. I haven't talked 156 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 3: to him in years. That'd be super cool. 157 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, and you should go at his show too, man, 158 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 4: I'd love to. 159 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: Our exploration tonight, as you can tell, is about a 160 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: guy named Samuel Langhorne Clemens. His street name is Mark Twain, 161 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: and we'll get to that in a second. 162 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought it was fog Horn Langhorn, that's what 163 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 3: I know. Langhorn's curious, isn't it. It's definitely a choice. 164 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 3: And wait till you hear his brother's name. Years back, 165 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 3: one of us took a trip to the Hartford, Connecticut 166 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 3: home of the Clemens clan for a time and it's 167 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 3: a very beautiful house. It's for the time in which 168 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 3: it was occupied by Mark Twain, it's kind of like 169 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 3: a Tony starkhouse, like as one of the first telephones. 170 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 3: It has cool gadgets in it, it's opulent. Uh, probably 171 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 3: a few hidden doors or secret passages. Maybe one of 172 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 3: those rollaway library cases that reveals some sort of secret 173 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 3: sex Dungeon. 174 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 4: I want that so bad. 175 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 1: And you I know what you're I know that why 176 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 1: that's on your mind because you and I are currently 177 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: lobbying pretty hard for one of our friends to just 178 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: do the right thing. 179 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 4: He's got the perfect space for it. He's got to 180 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 4: complete the secret pass It's not going to blow up 181 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 4: a spot. But no, no, you know who you are. 182 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 4: You know who you are. He doesn't listen to the show. 183 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 4: Cool guy, mansion, cool guy. Oh that's a joke for us. 184 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 4: It's for you. You will. 185 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, millions of people tell us about your secret passages. 186 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 4: We'll tell you this. 187 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: Our buddy Sam was many things, right, Noel, He's uh, 188 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: what do you think of when you think of Mark Twain? 189 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 3: I think of books that kids were forced to read 190 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 3: that maybe had some things in it that were not great. Yeah, yeah, 191 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 3: I mean listen, I think obviously Mark Twain was a 192 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 3: great satirist. I mean, hew, there's a comedy award given 193 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 3: out in his name that is one of the most 194 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 3: prestigious awards in that particular business. 195 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 4: He was very funny, very prescient. 196 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:31,559 Speaker 3: He obviously also was a product of his time, and 197 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 3: the way he depicted certain individuals in certain of his 198 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 3: books was not always great. But also, I don't know, man, 199 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 3: what is your take on the Huck Finn you know, conundrum, like, 200 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 3: do you think he actively was hostile towards black people 201 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 3: in his depiction or was he just depicting a time 202 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 3: and place and the language that was used in that 203 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 3: time and place. 204 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a you know, I studied. I was privileged 205 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: enough to study with Mark Twain's scholars back in the day, 206 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: and even they are divided on this, uh, but. 207 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 4: It was maybe a little divisive, yeah. 208 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 1: Because you know, you see things like Putt inhead Wilson, 209 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: But then you also see his clear I would say, 210 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: clear social battles for equality, yes. 211 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 4: And I for justice, one would argue. 212 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 3: I mean then the way the characters interact and the 213 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 3: way the plots kind of you know, progress. 214 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: Right, But part of his mother's dowry was three enslaved people. 215 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 4: No, yeah, I didn't know that one. Yeah, that's his mother. 216 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:39,679 Speaker 3: Though he didn't inherit these enslaved people, did he he did, 217 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 3: he probably would have freed them. 218 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's look. I love that you're pointing out. This 219 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: is a problematic thing. One of my favorite scholarly conspiracies 220 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: or interpretations of Huckleberry Finn in particular, is the idea 221 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: that huck was black. When we talked about that, I've 222 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 1: heard that take. Yeah, yeah, And. 223 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 3: Is there anything specifically in the language that indicates that 224 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 3: or is it kind of like why would he be 225 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:09,479 Speaker 3: so vague about it, considering the way he described other black. 226 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: Characters, Right, Yeah, that's that's a big part of the discourse. 227 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: You know, what would be the motivation to sort of 228 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: disguise I guess, or to make it subtextual, sort of 229 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: like how JK. Rowling came out years later and said 230 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 1: Dumbledore is gay or whatever. 231 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 4: Okay, okay, right, it seems a little self serving. 232 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 3: No, I don't know, though, She's she's like kind of 233 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 3: nothing so far right with her turf stuff that I 234 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 3: can't imagine you really need a pr win in that respect. 235 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 3: But maybe she came out with that information before she 236 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 3: kind of went down the rabbit hole. 237 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 4: I don't know who knows man? Anyway, this is great, 238 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 4: right right? Right? 239 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:56,959 Speaker 1: Doesn't not our not our favorite person. Our favorite person 240 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:02,199 Speaker 1: is obviously Jonathan Strickland, our number one. But so look, 241 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:08,559 Speaker 1: Mark Twain, amazing author, pivotal figure in literature, an American 242 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:14,439 Speaker 1: success story for many. He should have edited his autobiography. 243 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:17,680 Speaker 1: I read it. I'm gonna save everybody some time. It 244 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: needed revision. But for our purposes today, Noel Mark Twain. 245 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: Samuel Clemens is a dude who really really wanted at 246 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: his heart to be a venture capitalist, and he just 247 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 1: got beat me here, Max. He just got shit wrong 248 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: nearly every single time. 249 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:40,959 Speaker 3: Well, it just goes to show there are different kinds 250 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 3: of smarts, you know, there are different sets of skill. 251 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 3: Just because you're a wildly successful author and sadder as 252 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 3: does not necessarily mean you have the chops or the 253 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 3: acumen to make smart business decisions. 254 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 4: We see this throughout history. 255 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 1: Agreed and well said in the Origin story, So our 256 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 1: pal Sam begins his life in a town called and 257 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: get this and know all this confused me Florida, Missouri. 258 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 4: That's not real. I mean it's yeah, okay, it's real. 259 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 3: It's a weird choice though, right, does that mean we 260 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 3: can make this our Florida episode? 261 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 4: Ye Have we done a Florida episode? YEA, surely yeah. 262 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 4: I'm not looking at the spreadsheet. 263 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 5: I'm just gonna jump in here. Is like one of 264 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 5: the most done states we have ever done. 265 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 4: Because of the sunshine laws. Probably lots of info about 266 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 4: in Florida. 267 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 5: Florida and kick him right now, they're gonna hit it 268 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 5: with a hurricane. So everyone Florida, hope you're safe. But 269 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 5: also Florida there's a lot of ridiculous history topics. 270 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, they know, they know. 271 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 3: Floridians know, yes, and the ones that don't know are 272 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 3: probably part of the problem. 273 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: So for when we save Floridians, we mean both people 274 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: in the state of Florida and in the town of Florida, Missouri, 275 00:14:54,920 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: where Sam was born as Samuel Clemens. This is the thirtieth, 276 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: eighteen thirty five, but he ends his life in Connecticut 277 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: on April twenty first, nineteen ten, and he is known 278 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: as Mark Twain at this point. People often call him 279 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: Mark in his real life, and there's a poetry to 280 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: it because when he's born November thirtieth, eighteen thirty five, 281 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: do you remember another heavenly event that I heard. 282 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 4: It's wild man. 283 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 3: It happens the beginning and the end of this man's life, 284 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 3: the passage of Haley's comment. 285 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 4: Heralding the literary genius that is it was Mark Twain. 286 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 1: It's so nuts, just the timing on it. 287 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 4: I mean, it's a coincidence. 288 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 1: I'm sure statistically there were a lot of other people 289 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: who were born and passed away around the same time. 290 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 1: I don't know, man, it freaks me out a little 291 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: bit because I like, you know, back back in ancient times, 292 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: children born during eclipses or other heavenly events like the 293 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 1: passage of a comet were considered somehow different demonic. 294 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 3: Sometimes yeah, yeah, you say different, I say demonic potato patade. 295 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 3: But I mean sometimes they work like, you know, literally 296 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 3: abandoned in the woods or something because people were scared 297 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 3: that they were possessed or something. 298 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: Or they were considered holy. It was also an option. Yes, yes, 299 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: I thought you was like this. I was looking back 300 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: through notes on Mark Twain, and he is often described 301 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 1: as a sickly mischievous child. 302 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 3: Well, when you're sickly, you're not out there, you know, 303 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 3: playing the stickball with the other boys. You got to 304 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 3: get up to some Tom Tom Sawyer foolish you know, 305 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 3: like tricking people to paint your fence and whatnot, getting 306 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 3: out of your chores because you're so sickly you can 307 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 3: barely lift the paint brush with your little weedy arm. 308 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: But you'll feed somewhere in an apple to paint it 309 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 1: for you. Yeah. Oh wait, I gotta I flipped that 310 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 1: the guy gives his apple away to paint the defense. 311 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 4: It's very weird. It's a weird one. 312 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 1: It's a it's a cool insult though for the future, 313 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 1: right for the present day. Can you imagine calling an 314 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 1: adult like like you're disagreeing with someone over what pizza 315 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 1: do'll order Pittsburgh or Connecticut? And then when you get 316 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:26,400 Speaker 1: in the disagreement, you. 317 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 4: Go you are a sickly mischievous child. Yeah. 318 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:33,679 Speaker 3: Indeed, anytime you call an adulted child, that's them fighting words. 319 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 3: But he, you know, I would argue that he based 320 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 3: some of the the Shenanigans of Tom Sawyer on himself. 321 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:42,120 Speaker 4: He would often, you know, kind. 322 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 3: Of a Dennis the Menace character, probably carried a sling 323 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:46,639 Speaker 3: shot around and is in the back pocket of his 324 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 3: overalls with his shirt on underneath you know, totally one 325 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 3: of those kids to goy bary Bart Simpson ask could 326 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 3: probably shred on the skate on a skateboard too. 327 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:56,880 Speaker 4: No, that wasn't a thing then. But his parents were. 328 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 3: They were tested, Ben, they were really tested by young 329 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:02,640 Speaker 3: Samuel l so. 330 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 4: Sickly, so mischievous. 331 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 1: It's strange because his father is Petrophamilius, was in many 332 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 1: ways a polar opposite, at least on the surface of 333 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:26,239 Speaker 1: what his son would become. Sam was known for his 334 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: rapacious wit and humor later in life became a famous 335 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: author based off that. But his dad, John Clemens, was 336 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:39,439 Speaker 1: kind of a hard case. Yeah, he wasn't the most 337 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 1: humorous of fellows. Pretty serious cat, very dour. For being honest, 338 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 1: he was probably a little bit underwater, not to use 339 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:55,239 Speaker 1: more nautical terms, but like with finances and with just 340 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: the overwhelming pressure of raising a family amidst some problems 341 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 1: admittedly of his own making, involving poor investments and failing businesses, 342 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: which may have been where sold Sam got his investment 343 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: shops or lack thereof. Right, how far does the apple 344 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 1: fall from the tree, How far does the page fall 345 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 1: from the printing press? It's eighteen thirty nine, and our 346 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:27,640 Speaker 1: buddy Sam is not quite around three years old. And 347 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: because of his father's failed business ventures, they moved to 348 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 1: a port town called Hannibal, which is along the Mississippi River. 349 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 4: The Mighty Mississippi. Yeah, and this. 350 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:45,360 Speaker 1: Is where our pal Sam sees the highs and lows 351 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: of American business. And this also, I think forges the 352 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: experiences that inform a lot of his fiction. Like you 353 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:58,199 Speaker 1: were saying earlier that Tom saw your stuff Huckleberry Finn 354 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 1: and even his his name, And I love the point 355 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 1: you make that later in life Sam Sam agrees with 356 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 1: what we're saying. He says his father's unending ambition gave 357 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: him this fundamental, if incorrect belief in one day making 358 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: it through business. 359 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 4: Uh. 360 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,360 Speaker 1: He he talked about it. It's what we would call 361 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: either the American dream or a pipe dream. 362 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:27,479 Speaker 5: Uh. 363 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: His dad always told them, even unto his father, John's death, 364 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,640 Speaker 1: he told them, I bought this land in Tennessee, and 365 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 1: this is going to make our family dynasty. Yeah. 366 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 4: Oh, let's say they're kind of rhymed, Ben not about 367 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 4: to make a family. 368 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:47,919 Speaker 3: I can imagine that as a little ditty Tom Sawyer 369 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,399 Speaker 3: might have saying walking down the road, with his bendle 370 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 3: and a stick and bendle or whatever he had one 371 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 3: of those. Surely he was sort of a roguish hobo. 372 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 4: Kid, wasn't he. Well, I guess that was more hug Finn. 373 00:20:58,280 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 4: But they went on adventures. 374 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 3: What are the Disney Live Action Adventures of Huckleberry Finn 375 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 3: starring Elijah Wood? Yes, I do, very young Elijah as 376 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 3: Tom Sawyer and brad Renfro who as as Huck Finn. 377 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 3: Brad Renfrow who would go on to play the titular 378 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 3: bully character in the Larry Clark very upsetting film Bully 379 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 3: about a bully that's brad Renfro and brad Renfrow sadly 380 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 3: real bad struggles with drugs and alcohol, and I believe 381 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 3: he ended up overdosing and passing away. Sorry, didn't mean 382 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:39,919 Speaker 3: to bring the mood down. That movie sticks in my 383 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:42,120 Speaker 3: in my mind. There was even another one, I think 384 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 3: with Jonathan Taylor Thomas of of of Home Improvement Fame 385 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,880 Speaker 3: playing Tom Sawyer. Anyway, Sorry, all this missmash of pop 386 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 3: culture kind of it haunts me, Ben, which. 387 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 1: Shows us, which shows us the impact that Mark Twain 388 00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: had American zeitgeist. 389 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 3: Percent and you know I'll tell you what my you know, 390 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:05,120 Speaker 3: have Tom Sawyer. That whole mythos is probably what he's 391 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 3: most known for. But I always really enjoyed a Connecticut 392 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 3: Yankee in King Arthur's Court. It was kind of an 393 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 3: early sort of like butterfly effect time travel back to 394 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 3: the future. I mean, there would be no back to 395 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 3: the future were it not for Connecticut Yankee in King 396 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:21,400 Speaker 3: Arthur's Court. 397 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:25,439 Speaker 4: Hot take. But I like it. I like it. I 398 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 4: like I like when your takes are fresh baked like that. Yeah, 399 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,399 Speaker 4: this is Yeah, I'm nothing fresh baked. 400 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 1: This is pipe it hot because yeah, we reference I 401 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: reference it. I think you do as well. Connecticut yanking 402 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 1: King Arthur's Court to do many times. Yeah, film, it's 403 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 1: a and it's a great read. Uh, it holds up. Uh, 404 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:55,159 Speaker 1: it's it is satirical, but I reference it often with 405 00:22:55,320 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 1: critical thinking and blissfully short and yes, and not near 406 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:05,679 Speaker 1: as overlong as his multi volume autobiography. 407 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:07,919 Speaker 3: But Ben, you were setting up a quote that I 408 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 3: think is very pertinent here about his sort of mentality 409 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 3: going into what will ultimately be his business undoing. 410 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, as we're setting this up again, we're talking about 411 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:24,439 Speaker 1: this pipe dream mentality here is something he wrote? 412 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,920 Speaker 4: Could you could you give it to us in a voice? 413 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 4: Oh gosh, that's the or you know your own voice 414 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 4: is fine? Do we have record we have? 415 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:36,360 Speaker 3: Surely there were recordings of Samuel Clements reading his own work. 416 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,880 Speaker 4: Right, he kicked it with Tesla pretty hard. 417 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 3: I mean it would have been early days of like, 418 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,640 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I'm getting the timeline twisted in my head. 419 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:50,400 Speaker 3: But is there footage? And is there is there audio 420 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 3: of Mark Twain speaking? 421 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 4: There are no. 422 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:59,119 Speaker 1: There are no audio recordings that have been discovered. I 423 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:03,400 Speaker 1: think there is a There is a piece of silent 424 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: film that was made by Thomas Edison. 425 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:08,360 Speaker 4: Okay, Oh, well. 426 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:09,719 Speaker 3: Edison would have been the one who would have done 427 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 3: the audio recording too, So I guess we're kind of 428 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 3: right on the cusp there of like early wax cylinder 429 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 3: type recording technology here Twain tried to make audio books 430 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,160 Speaker 3: and jumping ahead a little bit. 431 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 1: In eighteen ninety one, he tried to record one of 432 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 1: his novellas on the wax cylinders used in phonographs, but 433 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 1: he just kept messing up, and. 434 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 3: So okay, so it wasn't outside of the realm of possibility. 435 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 4: This would have happened. It just didn't come to fruition. 436 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, he did record, if I recall correctly, he recorded 437 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: something in nineteen oh nine in Thomas Edison's lab. But 438 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 1: then there was a fire in nineteen fourteen. And as 439 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: we said previously, you know a lot of that stuff 440 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 1: is notoriously flammable. 441 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 3: So how about that not for lack of the technology. 442 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:06,160 Speaker 3: He literally just was the victim of some bad luck. Yeah, 443 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 3: in the eighteen this was almost nineteen hundred, he did 444 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,439 Speaker 3: record with Thomas Edison, You're dead right, and they burned 445 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 3: up in a fire. So we'll just have to go 446 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 3: with the popular, I guess depiction of Mark Twain's voice, 447 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,120 Speaker 3: which is sort of something like this. I say, I say, 448 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,880 Speaker 3: I say, I put our energies to sleep and made 449 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 3: visionaries of us dreamers and indolent. 450 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,160 Speaker 4: It is good to begin laugh poor, It is good 451 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 4: to begin laugh rich. 452 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 3: These are wholesome, But to begin it prospectively rich. 453 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 4: The man who has not experienced it cannot imagine the 454 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 4: curse of it. I say, I say, I say, I 455 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 4: think that Langhorn got to you. I think it did. 456 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:45,199 Speaker 4: I don't know. 457 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 3: I really he is sort of characterized as having you know, 458 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:51,640 Speaker 3: a southern drawl. 459 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, a little right, I tell yeah, Mark Twang, there 460 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 4: it is there, it is. Can we unpact this? Though? 461 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,640 Speaker 4: This is a little dense. Honestly, the language here, well, 462 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 4: the idea is this. 463 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 1: It kind of echoes the poetry of Robert Browning, right, 464 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 1: like a man's reach should exceed his grasp? Or what's 465 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: a heaven for? 466 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 4: Dream big? Right? Dream big? Very American? 467 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 1: He said, Look, if you begin life poor, okay, that's 468 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: part of America. If you begin life wealthy, awesome, you 469 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: won the lottery. But if you begin it addicted to 470 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 1: the dream that you will one day be successful, then 471 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 1: you are cursed. That's what he's saying. He's saying he's 472 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: always chasing this dragon of financial success. 473 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 4: Dude. We've had this conversation before too. 474 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:46,399 Speaker 3: I mean, it's sort of I think maybe a modern 475 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 3: equivalent of this is more money, more problems, where if 476 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 3: you are constantly striving for the next thing, you will 477 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 3: never truly be happy with what you have. And one 478 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:01,679 Speaker 3: could argue that therein lies the nature of ambition and 479 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 3: it's not inherently a bad thing, but not necessarily the 480 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 3: makings of a happy life. 481 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is a feeling familiar to almost anyone 482 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 1: in the world these days who's grown up in less 483 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 1: than ideal circumstances. It's a fundamental and at times dangerous 484 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 1: mix of ambition and insecurity, and this mix followed him 485 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: like a shadow all the days of his life. He 486 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 1: did get into he did get into technology from early days. 487 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 1: He started as an apprentice to a printer, which meant 488 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 1: he worked as a type setter, and we talked about 489 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:46,959 Speaker 1: printing presses before. A type setter's job was kind of 490 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 1: like tetris. I think it suited to a certain type 491 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 1: of type organization of the personality. 492 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,879 Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, everything in its right place. 493 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,879 Speaker 3: People who are good at packing vans, you know, like 494 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 3: moving devices and such. 495 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,879 Speaker 4: Is that a radiohead quote everything and it's right. 496 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 3: Everything in it's everything in its right place is definitely 497 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 3: a radio So it's also again, I think we mentioned 498 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 3: it on our recent episode on Robot Servants on stuff 499 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 3: they don't want you to know. Something Rosy, the robot 500 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:19,919 Speaker 3: in the Jetsons universe said when she went totally bananas, 501 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:21,399 Speaker 3: and so you just go up place for everything and 502 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 3: everything in its place, a place for everything and everything 503 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 3: in its place, and then proceeded to like psychotically organize 504 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:28,400 Speaker 3: the Jetsons home. 505 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:33,160 Speaker 1: And as we know, all Radiohead songs are ultimately fan 506 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 1: fiction about the Jetsons or interpretations thereof. You'll have to 507 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: take our word for it, folks, just read the lyrics 508 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 1: and watch the Jetsons. This is where we introduce the 509 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 1: older brother. I know you'll love this name. After apprenticing 510 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 1: as a type setter, he Sam gets one of his 511 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 1: first writing gigs, working for his older brother's newspaper. His 512 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 1: brother's name a riot Clement's. Ryan is such. 513 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 4: A cool name. Okay, oh Ryan? Yeah, like the constellation. 514 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 4: Do you think people were lazy and just called him Ryan? 515 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:09,720 Speaker 4: For sure? 516 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 3: Just getting getting rid of the O, which is such 517 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 3: a helpful shortening. 518 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 4: Or is kind of cool or he's cool? 519 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think orion has a gravitas to it though, 520 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 1: Oh it does. 521 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's dare we say, Heavenly? There we go. 522 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 1: So let's go to Uh there's a mystery about his 523 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 1: name too. While we're While we're here at this moment 524 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: in Sam's life. Later he becomes a riverboat pilot, right 525 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 1: we're still in the Mississippi. Uh. This informs the numb 526 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,959 Speaker 1: de plume he's known by today. Mark Twain was a 527 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 1: phrase that Mississippi riverboat folks yelled out when their ships 528 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 1: hit two fathoms of water. 529 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 3: Kind of like timber when a tree is about to fall, 530 00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 3: Does it make a sound? 531 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 4: I don't know where you there? You tell me? Yeah? 532 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 1: And now, Sam, it's kind of like some of our 533 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 1: own relatives. Never the type of guy to let a 534 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 1: good story get in the way of the facts. 535 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 4: I think I've said that of my mother. So yeah. 536 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 1: So later scholars would look into his claims about how 537 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: he got its name, how he got this name, this 538 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 1: street name, and it didn't measure up to the banger 539 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:32,479 Speaker 1: mythology he created for himself. And when people asked him 540 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 1: about it in his lifetime and said, hey, you've told 541 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 1: several different stories about how you got this name, you 542 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 1: know what, he called him dude. He called these narratives 543 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 1: improved facts. 544 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 4: Gosh, Donald Trump, would I love this cat? Oh? Gosh, 545 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 4: that disturbs me. Yeah, I don't know, I don't know. 546 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 3: It isn't that funny though, where like exaggerating a story 547 00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 3: is one thing, it's not considered like egregious or like deceptive, 548 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 3: but just a little pushing a little further and depending 549 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 3: on the type of story, it does kind of become 550 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,720 Speaker 3: propagandistic fake news. And again not being political here at all, 551 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 3: just talking about the nature of discourse and like the 552 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 3: idea of changing the facts to suit your narrative. If 553 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 3: it's something innocuous, it's a story about the time that I, 554 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 3: you know, fought a shark in the ocean that hasn't 555 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 3: hurt anybody. But if it then becomes about others and 556 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 3: cultural stuff and different things that can have impacts on, 557 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 3: you know, the way people behave socially and voted stuff, 558 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 3: it can really be dangerous. 559 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 4: So I don't know. Mark Twain seems to have been 560 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 4: aware of that. He does. 561 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 1: And let's let's get into how he got this name, 562 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 1: because we kid you not. Mark Twain's first pseudonym was 563 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 1: not Mark Twain. 564 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 4: Wasn't it like Steve or something? So okay, here's the 565 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 4: real sort. 566 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 1: His elder brother O'Ryan was a big campaigner for an 567 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 1: amateur wrestler, real up and comer, Abraham Lincoln. 568 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 4: Yeah you're joking. Oh sorry, sorry, I never mind. Okay, 569 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 4: you're doing the thing, you're doing the bit I got it. 570 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 4: I was picturing him being like an early MMA promoter. 571 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 1: You know that's amazing, like a early Oh gosh, there's 572 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 1: a Netflix documentary out on Vince McMahon. 573 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 3: You know what, that guy's just batshit enough to warrant 574 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 3: me watching a documentary about him. 575 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 4: The interview, I mean, the meme alone that he gave 576 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 4: the world as a guest the Galaxy Brain. 577 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, money, Yeah, and also that's a McMahon's different thing. 578 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 1: We are very aware of everything you're thinking about as well. 579 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 4: Folks. 580 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 1: When you hear us reference that person, check out the documentary. 581 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 1: He disowned it, which makes it interesting to watch. 582 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 3: Boy does it ever? I mean, but let's just say 583 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 3: at the very least, also. 584 00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 4: Probably not the greatest of guys. 585 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, A hot takes a plenty. I'm gonna say, I 586 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 1: don't want to hang out with Actually, we know people 587 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 1: who worked with him in some capacity, and they also 588 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 1: had things to say. 589 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 4: So all right. 590 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 1: So Abraham Lincoln, amateur wrestler, another American success story, goes 591 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 1: on to succeed in politics a bit and as as 592 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 1: a result. 593 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 4: Failed upward kind of you know, great, So as. 594 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 1: A result of Lincoln's success, this is still very much 595 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:40,480 Speaker 1: the spoils of war kind of approach to politics. Sure, 596 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 1: So Orion Clemens becomes the Secretary of the Nevada Territory 597 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 1: as just a gift bag, a swag bag for supporting Lincoln. 598 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 4: That's right. 599 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 3: And the largest town in the Nevada Territory was another 600 00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 3: interestingly named for. 601 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 1: The city, So in the Nevada taris exactly. Yeah, Florida, Missouri, 602 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 1: Virginia City. 603 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 4: Virginia City. Makes you wonder if. 604 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,320 Speaker 1: Mark Twain actually knew where he was going. 605 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 3: So, having a bit of an in with his brother Orion. Sorry, 606 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 3: whatever I think Orion. I think of two things. I 607 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:21,840 Speaker 3: think of the classic film company Orion that I'll like, 608 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,240 Speaker 3: you see the logo with like the classic font. And also, 609 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:26,879 Speaker 3: I don't know, in my head, I'm going oh oh 610 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:31,759 Speaker 3: oh Orian, like the O'Reilly thing. Sorry, I just had 611 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 3: to say that out loud so it would stop haunting me. 612 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:35,759 Speaker 3: But yeah, So Sam's got a bit of an in 613 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 3: with his brother. He heads out west, tagging along with Orion, 614 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,759 Speaker 3: and he gives mining a shot. These were the days 615 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 3: where people were lighting out for the territories. As they say, 616 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 3: was it wouldn't this have been? This is gold rush time, right, 617 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,239 Speaker 3: This is a little different. Maybe this is more like 618 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 3: a run on resources or trying to like, you know, 619 00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,600 Speaker 3: get mineral rights and things like that. 620 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 1: Right, yeah, yeah, just like his dad bought that land 621 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:07,120 Speaker 1: in Tennessee partially for mineral rights. 622 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,719 Speaker 3: This is a same rush of sorts, though not the 623 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 3: historic gold rush that I was referring to. 624 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 1: He has the he has the idea that he's going 625 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:22,160 Speaker 1: to get in on this silver mining industry. He was 626 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:27,239 Speaker 1: terrible at it. He was unsuccessful. He did it was 627 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 1: not a smart move on his part, or he was 628 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 1: just unlucky. 629 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:31,360 Speaker 4: Again. 630 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:37,279 Speaker 1: But while Sam Clemens is here, he gets this reputation 631 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,880 Speaker 1: as almost a local celebrity because he's known as a 632 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 1: lively storyteller, a great conversationalist, which is all tracks, which 633 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,319 Speaker 1: really just means you're good at listening, and he is. 634 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:55,759 Speaker 1: He is a local humor columnist. He's a humorist and 635 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 1: some of the things he writes are eventually published in 636 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:04,719 Speaker 1: the main newspaper of Virginia City, the Territorial Enterprise. He 637 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 1: did not use his real name. He did not use 638 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:11,320 Speaker 1: his famous fake name beat me again, Max, we should 639 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:16,800 Speaker 1: be not. His first pseudonym in print was Josh Okay. 640 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,440 Speaker 4: I was close. What did I say? Steve Josh Josh 641 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,719 Speaker 4: oh Man. Why is that? I think it's just because he. 642 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,040 Speaker 3: Looms so large, you know, in our cultural kind of 643 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:32,520 Speaker 3: collective memories, Josh just seems so diminutive compared to the 644 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,240 Speaker 3: larger than life persona that is Mark Twain. 645 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 1: I've just said pictory, like a pictory, like a Connecticut 646 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,920 Speaker 1: yankee in King Arthur's Court by Josh. 647 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,239 Speaker 4: It was just Josh like like Madonna. Yeah, it was. 648 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:50,279 Speaker 4: It was a single name because columns. That's hilarious. I 649 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,319 Speaker 4: have a quick question for you, Ben, I put it 650 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 4: to you. 651 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:57,239 Speaker 3: Is it appropriate for someone to call themselves a humorist 652 00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:01,080 Speaker 3: or is that a title that needs to be bestowed 653 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,960 Speaker 3: by others. I think it needs to be bestowed by others, 654 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,120 Speaker 3: if I'm being completely honest, I. 655 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,800 Speaker 4: Like, you don't get to say that you're funny. 656 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,520 Speaker 3: I think it requires input from a third party to 657 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,239 Speaker 3: decide whether someone is funny or not. 658 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,399 Speaker 1: That's the reason there's a Mark Twain Award. Right, If 659 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:23,760 Speaker 1: you call yourself a humorist, it feels like a dick 660 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:27,520 Speaker 1: move a little bit. Yeah, I think so too. Okay, cool, 661 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:31,399 Speaker 1: So we got that out of the way. Josh. Back 662 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,440 Speaker 1: to Josh. Yeah, in his defense, been. 663 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,239 Speaker 3: You pointed this out in your excellent research brief for 664 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:43,320 Speaker 3: this episode, these episodes, I don't know. Josh is also 665 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:48,240 Speaker 3: a kind of a bit of a du blontolder, right, Josh, 666 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,360 Speaker 3: I'm just Josh and ya you know, so he knew, 667 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,680 Speaker 3: he knew. So he was already kind of in the 668 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:56,000 Speaker 3: persona building game. 669 00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:56,920 Speaker 4: Yeah. 670 00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, because Josh in English, a special American English, is 671 00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,279 Speaker 1: both a proper name and like you said, no, it's 672 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,080 Speaker 1: a verb for joking. 673 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,680 Speaker 4: I'm just joshing. You just joshing around, buddy. 674 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:16,680 Speaker 1: So this his onion level, cracked article level things, got 675 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,400 Speaker 1: him a gig writing for twenty five dollars a week. 676 00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:23,600 Speaker 4: This was massive. This was a lot of money. Old yeah, yeah, 677 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:25,840 Speaker 4: and he was. 678 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:31,240 Speaker 1: He had a spidy sense for humor and satire, and he, unapologetically, 679 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 1: with no reservation, clowned everyone. He became a lampooner, yeah, 680 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:40,880 Speaker 1: real lampooner. Yes, yeah, just so he became a local celebrity, 681 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,600 Speaker 1: sort of like you or me or Max at our 682 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,080 Speaker 1: favorite David Busters or. 683 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,080 Speaker 3: You know, we get voice clocked every now and again 684 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,880 Speaker 3: at the local or some of our favorite Atlanta haunts 685 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:55,360 Speaker 3: or the airport. 686 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,080 Speaker 1: Oh, I got it, I forgot to tell you I 687 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,840 Speaker 1: got made at the TSA wow bia csa worker. 688 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:03,799 Speaker 4: Yeah, and he. 689 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,879 Speaker 3: Lets you smuggle all that. 690 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:12,360 Speaker 4: That hashish through. No gave you a pass, no comedy. 691 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,200 Speaker 3: I told you I got voice checked in line at 692 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:19,319 Speaker 3: the museum, the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York. 693 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,520 Speaker 4: And it felt so cool because I'm like, smart people 694 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,120 Speaker 4: listen to us. That's awesome. That made me feel great, 695 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:25,880 Speaker 4: specifically about ridiculous history. 696 00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:30,279 Speaker 1: And we know the we know the real story what 697 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,880 Speaker 1: seems to be the true story behind the origin of 698 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,200 Speaker 1: the name Mark Twain, because he was known as a 699 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:42,920 Speaker 1: Mississippi riverboat guy who was trying, without success to become 700 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,080 Speaker 1: a silver miner. He hung out in a lot of 701 00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:51,400 Speaker 1: the public houses of Virginia City, and the barkeepers in 702 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:55,879 Speaker 1: the area used to yell out Mark Twayne whenever he 703 00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,759 Speaker 1: walked in because he was a regular. And when they 704 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,600 Speaker 1: yelled out Mark Twain, it meant they needed to bring 705 00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:05,359 Speaker 1: two shots of whiskey to Sam and then make two 706 00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,759 Speaker 1: marks of chalk on the board where they kept a 707 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,960 Speaker 1: record of their standing tabs. And I want to give 708 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,880 Speaker 1: a shout out to our pal Gregory Crouch over a 709 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,719 Speaker 1: Time magazine who pointed out that that little piece of 710 00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:22,640 Speaker 1: hidden history to us. 711 00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,000 Speaker 4: So it was a bar nickname. 712 00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,400 Speaker 3: It wasn't pretty cool, so it was I mean it 713 00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:32,040 Speaker 3: was again with the double entendres. I mean is it 714 00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:37,480 Speaker 3: does reference the nautical you know, call out, but it 715 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,160 Speaker 3: was sort of co opted into this kind of I 716 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,440 Speaker 3: guess en joke. Is this like a thing that was 717 00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,960 Speaker 3: like his regular order, right, so he basically had a 718 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,320 Speaker 3: cocktail named after him or named himself after a cocktail. 719 00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:53,000 Speaker 1: It's like if we went to waffle house more often 720 00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,160 Speaker 1: and we were there every week and they stopped calling 721 00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,239 Speaker 1: us by our first names and just started calling us 722 00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:00,439 Speaker 1: by what we. 723 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,600 Speaker 4: Are, Like, Oh it's Patty Belt. 724 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,480 Speaker 3: Oh it's All Star Breakfast right right, Oh it's Grand 725 00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,080 Speaker 3: Slam yeah yeah yeah. 726 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,480 Speaker 4: And also isn't so Mark? What was the order again? 727 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:12,280 Speaker 4: The order was the whiskey. 728 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. They would give him two shots of whiskey, and 729 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,560 Speaker 1: then they would go ahead and assume he wasn't paying 730 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,640 Speaker 1: that night, so they would make two chalk marks on 731 00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:22,200 Speaker 1: the board. 732 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,960 Speaker 4: Mark Twain, Yeah, no, I got it. 733 00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:26,319 Speaker 3: It's also it just makes me think of like at 734 00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,319 Speaker 3: some bars, you know, how they have clever nicknames for 735 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:29,920 Speaker 3: like a beer and a shot combo. 736 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,160 Speaker 4: Oh we're saying. Yeah, I thought maybe that was part 737 00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:34,719 Speaker 4: of it too, but no, it's much more. Oh that'd 738 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:35,360 Speaker 4: be interesting. 739 00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:36,920 Speaker 3: So that's kind of what I was thinking with the 740 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,279 Speaker 3: name after a cocktail thing. But yeah, the guy, you know, 741 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:41,879 Speaker 3: contained multitudes for sure. 742 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, and he wanted. 743 00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:48,760 Speaker 1: He wasn't super into his street name and authorial career 744 00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:52,120 Speaker 1: just yet. It was paying the bills to write these 745 00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:53,120 Speaker 1: joke columns. 746 00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:54,440 Speaker 4: In his mind. 747 00:41:54,719 --> 00:42:00,560 Speaker 1: Still, he's kind of smoking that American pipe dream of success. 748 00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, he and that in your American pipe dream and 749 00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:04,239 Speaker 3: smoke it. 750 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,120 Speaker 4: Hold the bell telephone, folks. 751 00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:11,279 Speaker 1: This is this is a two parter for us. So 752 00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:15,960 Speaker 1: a hoy a hoy as isn't that I said? Hello? 753 00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:20,320 Speaker 4: You leave out the second right right? Uh? 754 00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,240 Speaker 1: Look at me being one of those hello fellow kids 755 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:24,400 Speaker 1: guys in the back. 756 00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,000 Speaker 4: Back of the eighteen high about. 757 00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:32,319 Speaker 1: Uh uh so a hoy hoy And big thanks to 758 00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,480 Speaker 1: our super producer mister Max Williams. 759 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:37,080 Speaker 4: Who else who else? 760 00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,239 Speaker 3: Oh, indeed, all the thank you, Christopher Rociotis and he 761 00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,320 Speaker 3: was Jeff Cots here in spirit, Jonathan Strickland, the quiz 762 00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,719 Speaker 3: dra A, Jay Bahamas Jacobs, the Puzzler. 763 00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:50,799 Speaker 1: Alex Williams, who composed our Our Bang and Bop here 764 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,279 Speaker 1: join us in just a few days. We're going to 765 00:42:54,360 --> 00:43:01,560 Speaker 1: get to more stories about Mark Twain's cartoonishly bad investment 766 00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,719 Speaker 1: journey at the same time that he became one of 767 00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:06,400 Speaker 1: the world's most beloved authors. 768 00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,839 Speaker 4: Can't wait to see you on the other side. We'll 769 00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:10,200 Speaker 4: see you next time, folks. 770 00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:21,120 Speaker 3: For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 771 00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,320 Speaker 3: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.