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Speaker 1: Coming to you live from the Cross Country Mortgage Campus

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Speaker 1: in Barrie, Ohio. This is Cleveland Browns Daily, brought to

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Speaker 1: you by Bally Beck now live in Ohio on eight

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Speaker 1: fifty ESPN Cleveland. Here are your hosts, Bo Bishop and

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Speaker 1: Nathan Zigura.

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Speaker 2: Hiowe you live on a Tuesday edition of the program.

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Speaker 2: Merely Bo no z no gibbe. But I've got Uno

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Speaker 2: and I've got Oho. We'll let Bill Bender joining us

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Speaker 2: at two o'clock of the Sporting News. Ergat Holm will

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Speaker 2: join us as well in the two point thirty hour

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Speaker 2: on the NFL Draft, his latest mocks of the NFL

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Speaker 2: dot com. We will have z in a way he

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Speaker 2: will be he and Vic will will reminisce about all

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Speaker 2: good things CBDC.

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Speaker 3: You have those things slip forward to which are very

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Speaker 3: very nice.

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Speaker 2: It is a it just was awful rain much of

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Speaker 2: the morning, and then it's gonna be like this and

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Speaker 2: then it gets dicey. From what I understand this evening

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Speaker 2: is that that's I was looking at the apps. There's warnings, threats,

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Speaker 2: and from a piece of video I saw this morning.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's gonna get all the way

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Speaker 2: up here, but I did see a piece of video

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Speaker 2: this morning out of Kentucky that showed a UK student

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Speaker 2: being blown against the statue this morning.

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Speaker 3: Did you see that?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 5: I did?

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: The maps that I saw too were like just north

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Speaker 7: of Columbus was like the super dangerous cut off. But

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Speaker 7: we're still not in at a great rain zone later

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Speaker 7: on today.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it looks like we are in a you know,

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Speaker 2: at some point there could be like a tornado issue

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Speaker 2: and it's big time down there. Like south of us,

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Speaker 2: it's big, big time the tornado threat. But that could

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Speaker 2: be in the mix. So pay attention as this warmfront

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Speaker 3: All right, We have some news of today.

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Speaker 2: The Brown sign quarterback Justin Hardy, special teamer last season

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Speaker 2: with the Jets. It is notable in that this will

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Speaker 2: make bubbav and Tron very happy. But it is also

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Speaker 2: notable and that he is a graduate of Glenville High

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Speaker 2: School right here in town.

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Speaker 3: University of Illinois. And isn't he the one in the

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Speaker 3: Flaco bit?

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Speaker 6: Yep?

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Speaker 7: That was him when a ship for.

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Speaker 2: My guys, wasn't that the That's the the story there, yep?

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Speaker 2: So that's very good so he comes in and he

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Speaker 2: there's a little bit more depth right there. I have

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Speaker 2: to say it is all quiet on the NFL front.

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Speaker 2: We had news last I guess it was it two

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Speaker 2: weeks ago when I was on vacation. Was it last

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Speaker 2: So we had a little bit of news then, and

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Speaker 2: then it's been largely quiet from that point since it's

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Speaker 2: almost like everybody in the sports world kind of takes

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Speaker 2: I know, I was locked into the women last night

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Speaker 2: I realized it's an NFL show, but it crossed over

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Speaker 2: Caitlin Clark transcends the final four is going to be

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Speaker 2: here on I had a really good friend of mine.

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Speaker 2: seen the ratings yet for this my hunches it'll be

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Speaker 2: they play the late game against yukon nine o'clock at

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Speaker 2: Rocket Mortgage. She delivered in the biggest possible way. She

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Speaker 2: I've seen her play a lot, obviously over covering the

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Speaker 2: then last year's run was pretty magical for them before

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Speaker 2: coming up just short to the National Championship game when

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Speaker 2: they lost to LSU. But to have the eyes of

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Speaker 2: her on this game, on this rematch with LSU, and

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Speaker 2: that does not happen all the time, where you have

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Speaker 2: in the biggest moment. It was forty seven to twelve

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Speaker 2: even more than that. She really plays like Steph honestly,

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Speaker 2: another shot. I was sitting watching it with NBC last night.

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Speaker 2: Who's twelve love s Hoops? Plays a ton of it?

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Speaker 2: I said, I don't recall there's kind of a lebron

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Speaker 2: And there's a lot of good players on their team too,

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Speaker 6: First.

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Speaker 7: She also, to me had that Steph factor of every

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Speaker 7: time she shot one of those deep threes, I thought

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Speaker 3: They're all close.

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Speaker 7: It just does it feel like she's ever gonna miss

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Speaker 2: She was nine of eighteen, and then I think she

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Speaker 7: It's pretty cool.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing, And the tickets for this on the resale

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Speaker 7: I was gonna like take my girlfriend because we saw

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Speaker 7: the MAC Championship at Rocket Mortgage and that was awesome,

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Speaker 7: but I was not. I was blown away by how

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Speaker 7: hot commodity right now in terms of.

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Speaker 3: Basketball, Like maybe I think sport.

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Speaker 2: Maybe I think she's I think she's turned into It's

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Speaker 3: You just you have to see this.

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Speaker 2: And she's been musty TV for two years, you know

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Speaker 2: for four million people. They she played Ohio State in

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Speaker 7: And those were the highest regular season ticket prices. I think, Yeah,

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Speaker 7: she's just she brings the money in, she brings the views,

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Speaker 7: and everybody wants to see what she's going to do.

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Speaker 3: And she always plays well, Like even down there, yep, yeah,

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Speaker 3: the loss down there, she put on a show. She

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Speaker 2: It's one thing to be great, it's another thing to

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Speaker 2: as good of them set up as you. The only

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Speaker 2: thing would have been better if LSU this LSU game

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Speaker 3: So they're they're the They're.

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Speaker 2: Thirty six and zero, so If the chalk holds, it'll

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Speaker 2: be Iowa Connecticut for the national title on Sunday at

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Speaker 2: Rocket Mortgage. Then that'll be a monster. That will be

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Speaker 2: an absolute monster. You had flag football last night?

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Speaker 3: How'd that go for?

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Speaker 6: You? Went?

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Speaker 7: Another team win? We are four and oh now we've

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Speaker 7: clinched a first round by in the playoffs. So that

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Speaker 7: was pretty cool last night.

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Speaker 3: Do don't you want to play the games though? Like

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Speaker 7: Yeah? I mean it's nice. I do think we want

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Speaker 7: to play him. But it was it was like a

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Speaker 7: to play to win to get this bye week because

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Speaker 7: now there's only three rounds of the playoffs, so I

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Speaker 7: think we're already in the semis before we even start playing.

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Speaker 3: Is there anybody on your level?

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Speaker 7: It doesn't seem like it. I mean we ran through

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Speaker 7: every team that we faced.

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Speaker 6: You crushed.

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Speaker 7: Yeah. I mean they let me throw the ball this week.

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Speaker 7: That's how crazy.

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Speaker 2: You got to throw it five times? Five let you

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Speaker 2: play quarterback and you completed four?

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Speaker 3: What was your longest throw?

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Speaker 7: I mean probably like eleven yards, but I was.

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Speaker 2: You drop, you threw it to a spot, yeah, and

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Speaker 7: Back in the end zone. That felt good. Once you

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Speaker 3: Does Griff ever watch? Does he come watch you play?

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Speaker 7: He hasn't.

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Speaker 3: Why what's he got going on?

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Speaker 2: So in terms of the draw this weekend, they were

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Speaker 2: one point three for the game between Saint Louis and

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Speaker 2: Michigan for rating of point seven. The Birmingham Arlington game

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Speaker 2: was one point one million, just under a million for

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Speaker 2: DC San Antonio, pretty low for Houston and Memphis at

446
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Speaker 2: seven hundred and three thousand. I would say that those

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Speaker 2: numbers were probably a little disappointing my hunches that they

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Speaker 2: would like to be a little bit higher. Last year,

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Speaker 2: the XFL's opening weekend was one point five to seven.

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Speaker 3: Went all the way up to three.

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Speaker 2: UFFL in twenty twenty two debuted with three million viewers

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Speaker 2: on NBC and Fox, so it was way up from

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Speaker 2: that point. I do think when they did it, when

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Speaker 2: they merged the USFL and the XFL, I think either

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Speaker 2: one of those names would have been better than creating

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Speaker 2: a new name. I think the part of the allure

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Speaker 2: of the USFL relaunching was there was a nostalgia to

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Speaker 2: it with that name, and same thing with the XFL

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Speaker 2: when the Rock bought that and launched the XFL. You know,

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Speaker 2: there was a nostalgia if he hate me and all

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Speaker 2: of those things, and by going UFL, you lose that,

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Speaker 2: you lose that brand.

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Speaker 6: I was.

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Speaker 2: I'm surprised they didn't find a way to keep one

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Speaker 2: of those brands.

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Speaker 8: Well.

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Speaker 7: It confused me so much that I wrote USFL on

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Speaker 7: the rundown yesterday right instead of UFL, because that's what

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Speaker 7: my brain had thought of. IEA think that's what is

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Speaker 7: the confusion for a lot of people that wanted to

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Speaker 7: watch it, because they don't know what the league is.

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Speaker 2: You had two good names you could have chosen, and

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Speaker 2: somebody just needed to swallow their pride. Instead of merging,

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Speaker 2: they should have just absorbed one. So I don't know

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Speaker 2: which one was more powerful. I don't know if the

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Speaker 2: USFL was more powerful or the XFL was, but whichever

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Speaker 2: one was, one of them should have absorbed the other

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Speaker 2: and then at least you would have had a little

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Speaker 2: bit of brand nostalgion, a little bit of familiarity with

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Speaker 11: What a treat, the godfather, the man who birthed Cleveland

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Speaker 11: Browns Daily from his loins and received his official Cleveland

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Speaker 11: Browns Daily earlier today, the one, the only, the notorious

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Speaker 11: v I see Carucci.

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Speaker 6: First of all, great to be here and great to

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Speaker 6: have you.

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Speaker 12: Secondly, highlight of my combine week is seeing that sweat sweatshirt,

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Speaker 12: that hoodie which I will wear with great pride, but

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Speaker 12: knowing the backstory, like how this thing has been put

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Speaker 12: and it's not just your average hoodie.

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Speaker 6: This thing is good.

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Speaker 11: The material, yeah, you can like pull down a nice and.

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Speaker 6: And I think it may have been made in Italy.

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Speaker 11: You are right, which is you know, perfectly secured after

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Speaker 11: a lengthy search by the great Brad Melon.

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Speaker 6: I love it.

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Speaker 11: Equipment manager of the Year in the National Football League

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Speaker 11: and he yeah, he sorts it. This is yeah, this

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Speaker 11: is it's like a Nike fashion collab.

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Speaker 5: I'm crazy.

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Speaker 11: Don't go ahead, don't wash it, don't want wear it,

527
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Speaker 11: and then let it wear, don't get any stains on.

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Speaker 6: It, but washing it, just air clean it.

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Speaker 5: It's a delicate fabric, delicate fabric.

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Speaker 6: I will treat it.

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Speaker 5: They're only four.

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Speaker 6: I feel special.

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Speaker 11: You should have it. Think you there is no CBD

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Speaker 11: without you. Well, you're the Krucci in the sea. It's

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Speaker 11: I love this. I love being with you. What's going on?

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Speaker 6: Man?

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Speaker 11: We're good, man, we're good. When when was the first

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Speaker 11: year you came to the combine?

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Speaker 6: So?

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Speaker 12: Oh god, nineteen eighty seven ish it was. I think

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Speaker 12: it was the first year here, was like eighty six.

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Speaker 12: I hope I'm getting this right. I'm sure someone's googling it,

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Speaker 12: but I want to say it was. It was no

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Speaker 12: later than probably eighty seven. Eighty eight sounds a little

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Speaker 12: too late, so eighty seven, and there probably were a

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Speaker 12: dozen of us at the Crown Plaza hotel. The drill

547
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Speaker 12: was get a room, get a hotel room, find a

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Speaker 12: place to stay, and then park yourself, camp yourself at

549
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Speaker 12: the Crown Plaza where the prospects were. It wasn't about

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Speaker 12: what this has turned into with especially like the coaches

551
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Speaker 12: made available and all that. It was strictly talk to

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Speaker 12: the prospects, which we did and was and it was

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Speaker 12: so unsophisticated that you'd ask a player to get another

554
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Speaker 12: player to bring him out to the and we do

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Speaker 12: it in the restaurant of the hotel and hey, could

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Speaker 12: you go fetch so and so forth, And you know

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Speaker 12: we'd be standing and it would be Len Pascarelli and

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Speaker 12: Howard balls Are Yeah, I mean John, John McClain, Peter,

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Speaker 12: Peter King, you know that it was. Yeah, there was

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Speaker 12: a lot of a lot of ogs at this group,

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Speaker 12: Rick Goslin and and you really and it was one

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Speaker 12: of those guys who had told me, you know, I said,

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Speaker 12: so what do you what do you do in the

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Speaker 12: off season? You got, well, go to the combine. Now,

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Speaker 12: even before that it was in Dallas. Gil Brandt, of course,

566
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Speaker 12: the late great gil Brandt, was the godfather of that.

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Speaker 12: And that was the original concept and even in the

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Speaker 12: early days. Yeah, that's a good point. The original concept,

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Speaker 12: Nathan was uh that this would be the centralized place number,

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Speaker 12: the number one. And it's still probably one of the

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Speaker 12: most important elements of it. Was to get medical information

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Speaker 12: gathered and collected, and that was what the scouts and

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Speaker 12: coaches were most concerned about, Like, what are we really

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Speaker 12: getting here in hell in terms of health?

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Speaker 6: Now?

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Speaker 12: Again, big for that to be here. And I think

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Speaker 12: over the years, the hospitals in Indiana have have formed

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Speaker 12: such a great partnership with the people who run this combine.

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Speaker 12: And you wonder in some other cities they've talked about

580
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Speaker 12: it moving to maybe back to Dallas, uh to Los Angeles,

581
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Speaker 12: that you'd have the same, but it's not. It would

582
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Speaker 12: never be as centralized.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's why it's great. So you're approaching your fortieth combine.

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Speaker 12: Feels yeah, something like that, and it and every I

585
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Speaker 12: will say every year, it feels a little bit different because,

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Speaker 12: first of all, you see the changes, especially in the

587
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Speaker 12: coaching ranks and the team ranks, in the media ranks.

588
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Speaker 12: I mean, we're in this this massive area which you

589
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Speaker 12: asked me back in the eighties, would I have could

590
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Speaker 12: I picture something like this? However, many years later, thirty

591
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Speaker 12: some odd years almost forty years later, No way, no way,

592
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Speaker 12: I did I see it growing like this. But what

593
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:12,919
Speaker 12: would happen is sports writers, especially this is back before

594
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Speaker 12: it became, you know more multimedia was growing in that way,

595
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Speaker 12: but mostly telling convincing their editors that you know what,

596
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Speaker 12: it's a it's a reasonable spend from the budget to

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Speaker 12: send me here, send me to this event. I'll get

598
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Speaker 12: you draft prospects that will backload all the stuff we

599
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Speaker 12: need for the draft. Plus we'll talk to other people

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Speaker 12: around the league and we can gather quotes and it's

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Speaker 12: content heaven.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, absolutely, you know I've been this is probably like

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Speaker 11: twelve for me, maybe in that range ten. Well, we

604
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Speaker 11: had the COVID here, so probably eleven. When I first came,

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Speaker 11: it was the media row was in the concourse of

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Speaker 11: the stadium, Yes, and there were maybe a handful of

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Speaker 11: teams that.

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Speaker 12: Came CBD we set up there, right, Yeah, no, maybe

609
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Speaker 12: a handful of And this was that's the other trend

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Speaker 12: of course that you know, we're one of the core

611
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Speaker 12: original teams that had the had had its own radio

612
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Speaker 12: and of course video, but that too growing added to that,

613
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Speaker 12: and then the NFL or the combine organizers realized.

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Speaker 6: We don't have enough room for all these people.

615
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Speaker 12: And it was getting and I will add this that

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Speaker 12: more than a few coaches and executives and the occasional

617
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Speaker 12: team owner that shows up said, necessarily love the idea

618
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Speaker 12: that it's that convenient for these guys to run us

619
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Speaker 12: down in the hallway and grab us for interviews here,

620
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Speaker 12: which of course led to a more organized I'm pointing

621
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Speaker 12: in the direction of where those press conferences are more

622
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Speaker 12: organized way of doing that.

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Speaker 11: So when you come out here, obviously you're you've got

624
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Speaker 11: a Bill's focus, you have the Browns in your heart.

625
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Speaker 11: What are are some of the big stories just NFL

626
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Speaker 11: wide that you're interested in? Because coming here, the thing

627
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Speaker 11: I like about it the most is you know a

628
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Speaker 11: lot of the information you get happens late at night, right,

629
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Speaker 11: and you're able to go and talk and kind of

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Speaker 11: find things. So what's what are some of the things

631
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Speaker 11: that you're interested in?

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Speaker 6: Well, you you hit the.

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Speaker 12: Key, and that is the networking ability, and you do

634
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Speaker 12: get a more relaxed There's there is no time during

635
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Speaker 12: a football season when you're going to have the people

636
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Speaker 12: who make these decisions as relaxed as they're capable.

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Speaker 6: Of being there.

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Speaker 12: They're the most paranoid humans in the world, football people.

639
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 12: We found that out long ago, but capable of kind

640
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Speaker 12: of chilling a little bit and maybe over an adult

641
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 12: beverage somewhere and you just kick back and have a conversation.

642
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Speaker 12: It doesn't necessarily have to be a formal interview that

643
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Speaker 12: you're going to quote the person direct. But you're right,

644
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 12: you're getting You're getting good uh download and and good background.

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Speaker 12: That's one thing. But as far as the issues are concerned, Nathan,

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Speaker 12: I mean, you know, you don't forget that you are

647
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Speaker 12: here to try to get a feel for the draft.

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00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 12: This is usually when most of my homework gets done,

649
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Speaker 12: a preliminary homework.

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Speaker 6: To get a best feel I have I have.

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Speaker 12: I can't say that before this I can tell you

652
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Speaker 12: other than the top line names, who are the prospects

653
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Speaker 12: to look for. But when you're starting to dig deep

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Speaker 12: into into the positions and you're like a team like

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Speaker 12: the Bills that I'm mostly covering twenty eighth pick, you've

656
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Speaker 12: got to really kind of know the depth of say

657
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Speaker 12: wide receiver pick.

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Speaker 5: Until fift.

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Speaker 12: More of a more of a challenge. But that all said,

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Speaker 12: I think it's getting the depth of that.

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Speaker 6: I think.

662
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Speaker 12: Are there going to be some some the competition committee,

663
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Speaker 12: And that's another change that's happened. This is the beginning

664
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Speaker 12: portion of the intense work that they do right through

665
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 12: the league meeting. So Sean McDermott, the Bills coach, is

666
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 12: on that committee for the first time and uh, and

667
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 12: it's been interesting talking to him about what's being discussed

668
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 12: in the in those rooms they've had. I think they

669
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,959
Speaker 12: had their third meeting today of this combine and uh.

670
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 12: He referenced player safety issues, but it was it was

671
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 12: interesting without revealing too much of the of what's going

672
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 12: on behind those closed doors. He made a point of

673
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 12: bringing up kickoffs and I think we all know that

674
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 12: it's a play that's been downsized so much or minimized

675
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 12: so much that you wonder is it ever going to

676
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 12: is going to be just taken out of the game.

677
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 12: It sounds like the reverse is happening, which is you

678
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 12: want to find a way to make an exciting, interesting

679
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 12: play more relevant.

680
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 11: You had a Super Bowl where there were thirteen kickoffs

681
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 11: and zero were returned, right right, and that's excited. Devin

682
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 11: Hester is getting inducted in the Hall of Fame this year.

683
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 11: Is the greatest returner of all time.

684
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Speaker 12: And you know, as a member of that selection committee,

685
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 12: I was happy to see that because.

686
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 5: He should have been in a meeting he's my opinion, well.

687
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 12: And I was happy to see it, happened to see

688
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 12: it for him, even though it's a different guy. But

689
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 12: Steve Tasker for the Buffalo Bills has I think been

690
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 12: a long overlooked and there's been a prejudice against special

691
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 12: teamers because of the amount of or how little they're

692
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 12: on the field. And when the decision comes, are you

693
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 12: picking a guy who's on the field for five plays

694
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 12: versus the guy who's on the playoff play on the

695
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 12: field for fifty plays? And how do you rectify that

696
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 12: in your mind? Well, you know what, it's the impact

697
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 12: and the game changing and he he changed the game.

698
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 12: He influenced how teams function in their in their kicking game.

699
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 12: Uh so I'm talking about Tester. But now I think

700
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 12: you could say the same about Tasker now he's in

701
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 12: that senior pool.

702
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 6: But that might happen. Back to the other thing about

703
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 6: what this combine is about.

704
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 5: This is real quick. Yes, I find this.

705
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 11: Me thinking so all right, you know Dion was complaining

706
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 11: that now there's there are too many people in the

707
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 11: Hall of Fame and there should be the special wing

708
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 11: for like the best of the best, which.

709
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, the Hall Hall of famers and then the Hall

710
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 6: of Fame RS.

711
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, what's in the Hall of Famer in the Hall

712
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 5: of Fame, that's I feel.

713
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 11: But right, I think one way to conceptualize, if you're

714
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 11: trying to think about, and I'm curious get your take

715
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 11: on this, who the best players ever were is if

716
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 11: there were an ultimate game that was played two fifty

717
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 11: three man rosters. Are you in that game? If you're

718
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 11: in that game, to me, you're in the Hall Hall.

719
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 11: And if you're starting in that game now, you're in

720
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 11: the Hall Hall Hall Hall. Devin Hester, from the second

721
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 11: that he became eligible to be in the Hall of Fame, right,

722
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 11: would have been the first returner chosen in the ultimate

723
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 11: football game ever to be played. To me, that means

724
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,239
Speaker 11: he's got to be in the Hall of Fame immediately.

725
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 12: No question, and without our rules prohibit me from going

726
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 12: into any real depth on what was discussed. Sure, but

727
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 12: there was a lot of discussion in our meetings.

728
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 5: I want to use the ultimate game discussion.

729
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 12: I've made a mental note. I'm gonna call it the

730
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 12: Nathan rule. And look, I think everything you just said

731
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 12: there though, is very true. Words to that effect came

732
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 12: up with regard to impact. Obviously the case was made

733
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 12: for him, and then there's point and counterpoint. Okay, back

734
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 12: to the how much time do you actually play? How

735
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 12: much are you on the field and are we as

736
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 12: a but but here's the thing about football. The game

737
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:09,240
Speaker 12: includes people who don't have as many snaps as others.

738
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 6: That's just part of the game.

739
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 12: And I think ultimately the common sense reaction to a

740
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 12: discussion about a specialist player is he's as much part

741
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 12: of the game as the quarterback. It doesn't, you know,

742
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 12: per Dion Sanders maybe doesn't feel like he would put

743
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,399
Speaker 12: him in the over the top hall category. But I'm

744
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 12: not down with that at all. I think that's I

745
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 12: think that it was a rebel rousing kind of move.

746
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 12: And as a selector, as a voter, look we get

747
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 12: we never get told how great a job we've done

748
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 12: to put a class in. We always picked on by

749
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 12: the folks who say, look at who you left out.

750
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,839
Speaker 12: The worst night of sleep I get every year every

751
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 12: year is the night before the selection meeting, because I

752
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 12: know it's not about the criticism Nathan, It's about the

753
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 12: person who's with his family and or or if he's

754
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 12: you know, to see posthumously. But the family, the friends,

755
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 12: the people, and the guy who are just calling them

756
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 12: heartbroken and devastated is too soft a term. It's crushing,

757
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 12: and you're affecting that when they're not voted in. And

758
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,439
Speaker 12: the last thing I just want to say, also about

759
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 12: the voting process, I never see it as who I'm against.

760
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 12: I'm four. Remember there's a reduction. We start with twenty five,

761
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 12: we get it down to fifteen, we get it down

762
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 12: to the final seven or eight. And I'm also on

763
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 12: the subcommittee for the coach and contributor category. It's a

764
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 12: dozen of us who vote separate from the sixty eight

765
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 12: or so who are on the selection panel, the full

766
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 12: selection panel. And again I'm not against, I'm just I'm

767
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 12: for these people. They don't let us put them all in,

768
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 12: and you know what, they all shouldn't be put in

769
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 12: as a group because it diminishes what the hall is.

770
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 11: Absolutely, I think it's a fascinating and obviously I learned

771
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 11: a little bit more about it this year with Joe

772
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 11: Thomas going in of course, and kind of getting to

773
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 11: talk to him about the processes and all that.

774
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 12: And and and you know, I can't tell you also

775
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 12: how special it feels when you have a personal tie.

776
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 12: I mean being with Joe all the years with the

777
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 12: Browns uh and and I remember having a conversation with

778
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 12: him in Canton, uh the day before the induction ceremony.

779
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 12: It was just such a special thing. One other thing

780
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 12: I want to say about this though, about the combine,

781
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 12: the the the the tampering that happens, which is which is,

782
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,240
Speaker 12: and it's the wink nod tampering.

783
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 5: Because everybody does.

784
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 6: It is the backbone of the combat.

785
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:43,800
Speaker 12: There you go, thank you, because more business is getting done,

786
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 12: or the groundwork of business is getting done in these days,

787
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,879
Speaker 12: then gets done at any other point. The agents come

788
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 12: here ready for for bear, you know, loaded for bear,

789
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 12: ready to strike, to do something. They they are setting

790
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 12: their game plans for the free agency period. The gms

791
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 12: are doing the same thing. Who can we retain, who

792
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 12: do we need to restructure? Who are we saying goodbye to,

793
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 12: Who's going to take a pay cut, who's gonna do

794
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 12: whatever it is? Those conversations happen, and I think the

795
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 12: gms are are much busier with that than the Actually,

796
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,439
Speaker 12: the scouts are the ones in the stands with the Yeah,

797
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,800
Speaker 12: let's let's look at his vertical let's look at his forty.

798
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:21,280
Speaker 5: The drafts not until the end of April.

799
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 11: Correct, All the business that really is urgent, and what's

800
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 11: gonna even shape what you end up doing in the

801
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 11: draft is happening soon.

802
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 12: Is happening soon, and it's happening, And maybe I think

803
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 12: I always think it's fun that you walk through the

804
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 12: various lobbies. Obviously all these hotels are are interconnected, and

805
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 12: you can you could stay inside and go into the

806
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 12: lobbies of how many different hotels, uh from right from here,

807
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 12: right from this convention center, and you just you just drift.

808
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 12: I used to always do it, ud take the I'll

809
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 12: probably do it tomorrow, the tour of the lobbies, just

810
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 12: to see who's talking to who.

811
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 6: You know what the conversation is.

812
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 12: You see Drew Rosenhouse sitting with whoever, Brandon Bean or

813
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 12: whoever the GM and I know what they're talking about.

814
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:02,760
Speaker 6: And ain't the weather.

815
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 5: Exactly all right? Talking about the Browns.

816
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 11: Yes, you know, we finally got to see in the

817
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 11: second half against the Ravens, DeShawn that was.

818
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 5: Why they brought him here.

819
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 11: Flawless leads to come from behind victory in Baltimore against

820
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 11: a team that you know, for a portion of the

821
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 11: season many people thought was the best team in the NFL.

822
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 5: Then he doesn't play again.

823
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 11: We at the wild time with Joe Flacco, but now

824
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 11: it's back to DeShawn and that's why you bring in

825
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 11: Ken Dorsey try to help him out. We talked about

826
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 11: that on Browns Daily. What do you kind of see

827
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 11: from this team as some of the things that they've

828
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,800
Speaker 11: got to do this offseason to be able to take

829
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 11: that leap and I mean, obviously saying healthy can't control that,

830
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 11: but to be able to take that leap, well.

831
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 12: There there as much as it worked out remarkably well,

832
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 12: you'd have to say, and why I Kevin Stepanski got

833
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 12: my Coach of the Year vote as much as you

834
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,240
Speaker 12: could say that with four different quarterbacks that can't happen

835
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 12: again for anything close.

836
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 11: To it final eight in the NFL. Only CJ miss

837
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 11: games and he was missed two with a concussion.

838
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 12: And the only quarterback uh that can play or that

839
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 12: needs to play and not only play the fullest of seasons,

840
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 12: but but take it to that level of what inspired

841
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 12: the whole purpose purpose of bringing them board is Deshaun

842
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 12: Watson get You asked me a simple answer to the question.

843
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 12: It has to be Watson or Bust. It has to

844
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 12: be everything about their season is driving there. Now they

845
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 12: threw an asset at it with the Ken Dorsey hiring.

846
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 4: Now.

847
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,399
Speaker 12: I I also think Alex van Pelt. I have high

848
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 12: regard for him. I've known since his since his rookie

849
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 12: year in the NFL as a player with Buffalo. I

850
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 12: don't necessarily know that it was an upgrade at coordinator.

851
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 12: But but but I'm going to tell you it's different.

852
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 6: That's my point.

853
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,359
Speaker 12: I don't think in any way the grass up or down,

854
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,280
Speaker 12: because I do have great regard also for Ken Dorsey.

855
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 12: I also thought when Ken Dorsey was fired by the Bills,

856
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 12: it felt a little scapegoats a lot of scapegoaterers, you know.

857
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 12: And Josh was crushed because Josh was the reason he

858
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 12: got the job, and Josh also was the.

859
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 6: Reason he got fired.

860
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 12: And Josh knows it, and he'll probably have a hard

861
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 12: time for giving himself for that and wanting it to

862
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 12: have even if things as things worked out well with

863
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 12: Joe Brady. All of that said, back to the to

864
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 12: the Browns, Dorsey's learned some valuable lessons about balance offense

865
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 12: and if the right the sweet spot can be found

866
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 12: between getting the max out of Dorsey, the max out

867
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 12: of Watson from Dorsey as the thrower runner, the thrower

868
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 12: on the run. But there will be some running component

869
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 12: that he I think he designs and designs well and

870
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 12: did it for Cam Newton before he did it for

871
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 12: Josh Allen as a quarterbacks coach in Carolina. And then

872
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 12: the running game itself being a presence, being something that

873
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 12: takes the pressure off that all those components are there

874
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 12: with the old line. And I have faith that Stefanski

875
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 12: can figure that out and get it done. But here's

876
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 12: the other bottom line. Can't succumb to the feeling of pressure,

877
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,399
Speaker 12: the pressure cooker that is the season, the stakes being

878
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 12: what they are and when, and the realization of that

879
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 12: and sometimes the thought of that. And even if everybody

880
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 12: says the right thing, we know what we're doing, it's

881
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 12: no different than it is different. If I mean we

882
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 12: can say it from the outside. They may not necessarily

883
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 12: want to acknowledge it, they being the coach, the GM

884
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,879
Speaker 12: the Howorks. As long as they manage that as well

885
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 12: as you know well, manage it well, and then everything

886
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:42,919
Speaker 12: else within the team and you get some breaks with health.

887
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 6: There's no reason to.

888
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 12: Think that the Browns couldn't be competing for a division

889
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 12: title and a deep playoff run from a division that

890
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 12: is pretty balanced. I mean, do we do we look

891
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 12: at the Ravens with fear? Do you say they can't know?

892
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 12: They can they can play with any of those teams?

893
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 12: And I think they can play with any team in

894
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:04,240
Speaker 12: the entire conference.

895
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 11: Yeah, And it's a loaded conference, and it's a loaded conference.

896
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,280
Speaker 11: You've covered the league for a long time. It feels

897
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 11: like you look around the AFC, it's as good as

898
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 11: it's maybe ever been.

899
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 12: I and I love that because what what what made

900
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 12: part of what makes us say that is the CJ.

901
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 12: Strouds factor in Houston, seeing young quarterbacks emerge, a healthy

902
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 12: Joe Burrow and Cincinnati. Look what that means again, we

903
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 12: know what you know what the Browns have, We know

904
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 12: what the Ravens have. And and there's oh yeah, that

905
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 12: m VP quarterback uh In Lamar and then Josh Allen

906
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 12: and and and I can't believe I'm mentioning them, not

907
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 12: necessarily last, but the Chiefs aren't going anywhere and they're

908
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 12: going to be just as good.

909
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 6: Why does Andy Reid He's Andy Reid is going to.

910
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 12: I'm making a little prediction here, gonna be signed a

911
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 12: contract extension soon, I believe, and rightfully so. And what

912
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 12: a shock, you know, super Bowl winner gets a contract

913
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 12: section he's he at sixty five, has no desire to

914
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 12: do anything except what he's doing. And why He's got

915
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 12: a twenty eight year old, a freak as a quarterback

916
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,320
Speaker 12: who's going to be a freak for at least possibly

917
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 12: another ten years.

918
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 5: And you've got to tip your cap to him too.

919
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 11: For and really their whole organization for realizing that they

920
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 11: had to change who they were. They they became a

921
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 11: defensive kind of bully team.

922
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 12: They invented themselves, Yeah, which is incredible, And that speaks

923
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:35,879
Speaker 12: to not only the wisdom and intelligence of a head coach,

924
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:37,959
Speaker 12: but selling that idea.

925
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 5: To your team homes for four fifty yards every year.

926
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 12: You convinced this quarterback some days you're going to be

927
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 12: the caddy to the defense. Really, mister, you know, mister

928
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 12: dominant super Bowl MVP, as great a quarterback as I've

929
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 12: ever seen. And I'll you know, in the whole juxtaposition

930
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 12: of Tom Brady and and Patrick Mahomes, that conversation's real

931
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 12: I mean, there are more pelts on the Brady wall.

932
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 12: But but it's it's not just pelts, it's what you see,

933
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 12: what your eyes tell you that, oh my god, he

934
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 12: can do it. And and and coming to the realization

935
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 12: he didn't have to throw for four hundred yards in

936
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 12: four touchdowns every game. Sometimes and most of the time,

937
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 12: it is make two or three more plays than the

938
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:18,439
Speaker 12: other team.

939
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:20,800
Speaker 5: And then he went and when he needed to, we

940
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 5: need to get a field goal to get in the

941
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 5: overtime win boom.

942
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:25,879
Speaker 12: And you know, and and the same say about Brady,

943
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 12: give him the ball last you're probably gonna.

944
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 11: Lose at your own peril, at your own peril. Yeah,

945
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 11: a remarkable, remarkable season and a great super Bowl win.

946
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 11: And again it sets up as you talking about in

947
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 11: this a FC just loaded. And that's when we're not

948
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 11: to mention in the Bills division. Maybe Aaron Rodgers is

949
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 11: coming back, you know, may and and if he will

950
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 11: get more than four plays, and if he comes back

951
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,439
Speaker 11: and plays say five or six, No, if he comes

952
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 11: back and gets gets gives them the full season, that

953
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 11: is there.

954
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:56,399
Speaker 6: They've got to be considered the force.

955
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 12: They I think they've got a lot of other issues

956
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 12: and problems to overcome that are not Rogers related necessarily.

957
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:06,320
Speaker 12: And Rogers himself identified the culture thing in the building

958
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 12: that he didn't like. So that's got a change. And

959
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 12: I don't know if is that starting from you know,

960
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 12: if that emanating from the top. If it is, might

961
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 12: not be as fixable, but I'll buy that more of

962
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 12: Rogers gives them a chance. And oh, by the way,

963
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:20,800
Speaker 12: don't sleep on the Miami Dolphins.

964
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 6: What a treat.

965
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 12: An absolute pleasure. Same here, absolutely pleasure. Love you too,

966
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 12: follow all you guys, Jason Gibbs, my whole crew. Bo uh,

967
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 12: you know, just seeing it always feels like coming back home,

968
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,399
Speaker 12: even when it is even when it's a remote home

969
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 12: in any.

970
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 11: Says, You've always got the Uncle Victor sweet that's always

971
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 11: reserved for you.

972
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 6: Thanks.

973
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 2: I appreciate it all right, body, great stuff was Zee

974
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 2: and the godfather of Cleveland Browns Daily Viccrucci there. Coming

975
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 2: up next the Sporting News, Bill Bender will join us

976
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 2: on the AFC North teams and their activities so far

977
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 2: this offseason. He will be in town this weekend to

978
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 2: cover the women final four. Gets your preview of that

979
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,720
Speaker 2: the men's side of things as well. In the second

980
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,240
Speaker 2: Hour of the program, Eric Edholmill join us from NFL

981
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,880
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982
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Speaker 2: Keep it Twisted Cleveland. Our good friend the Sporting News

998
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:58,800
Speaker 2: is Bill Bender joining the program. Now we're going to

999
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 2: do a lot of hoops with the obvious with the

1000
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 2: final four. And I know you're going to be here

1001
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 2: this weekend covering the women's side of it, But you

1002
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 2: also keep a very close eye, I know, in the NFL,

1003
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 2: in the college football game and all of that, and

1004
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 2: I wanted to start there if you don't mind, my

1005
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 2: good friend, what have you made of the comings and

1006
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:16,479
Speaker 2: goings in the AFC North this offseason with the things

1007
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 2: that it seems like Baltimore obviously had a lot of

1008
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 2: issues with their free agency where they had a cap

1009
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 2: issue that they had to solve, and some of those

1010
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 2: things ended up happening in in the AFC North and

1011
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 2: this division just as competitive as ever, my friend, in

1012
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 2: this offseason kind of proved that.

1013
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 13: Toughest division in college football gotta be or college football,

1014
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 13: the NFL. I've got four sports.

1015
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 3: I know you got a lot going on, brother, I

1016
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:41,280
Speaker 3: get one.

1017
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 13: Mulligan on this show, you know, obviously, Yeah, I mean,

1018
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 13: all of them so competitive that the margin is so close.

1019
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,280
Speaker 13: And I think obviously Pittsburgh's quarterback decisions were the boldest

1020
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,479
Speaker 13: move because we can sit here and pick it apart

1021
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:00,080
Speaker 13: all we want. They did upgrade their quarterback room with

1022
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 13: Russell Wilson and Justin Fields. Because in that division you're

1023
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 13: going up against Lamar Jackson, Deshaun Watson, Joe Burrow. It's

1024
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 13: really good quarterback play really close games, and yeah, you

1025
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 13: just said it. Some of these teams have to make

1026
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:14,320
Speaker 13: some moves.

1027
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's amazing too.

1028
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 2: And you know, you and I spent a great little

1029
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 2: time talking about college football, but you think about the

1030
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 2: quarterbacks in this division and the fields does eventually ascend

1031
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 2: in Pittsburgh like we all think. You're talking about Fields, Borough, Watson, Lamar.

1032
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,800
Speaker 2: Those are four of the best and most consequential college

1033
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 2: quarterbacks in the last fifteen years of this division.

1034
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 13: Oh, some of the best I've seen in person. You know,

1035
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 13: I've watched Justin Field's tear up at Ohio State and

1036
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 13: Joe Burrow beat Clemson in the national title game. And

1037
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 13: you know, Russell, you can take that back all the

1038
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 13: way to Russell Wilson and how he elevated. He was

1039
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 13: the one quarterback Wisconsin had. Right, if they don't lose

1040
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,399
Speaker 13: back to back Hail Mary's to Michigan State and Ohio State,

1041
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 13: Russell Wilson may have played for a national title in college.

1042
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 13: So that's just me getting m C State references in

1043
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:01,439
Speaker 13: there this week too.

1044
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 6: With what they're doing on the mens side, right, Yeah.

1045
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 13: But yeah, it's it's gonna be interesting. I think the

1046
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 13: Bengals obviously good question for them they let go. A

1047
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 13: DJ reader is I don't want to say there's health concerns,

1048
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 13: but at a certain point start to worry a little bit, right,

1049
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 13: like he injuries already.

1050
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 2: I couldn't agree with you more. Yeah, I think it's

1051
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,399
Speaker 2: I think they're concerned about it, right. I mean, he's

1052
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 2: had four NFL seasons, He's reached the Super Bowl, he's

1053
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 2: reached the AFC Championship Game, and the other two he

1054
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 2: didn't finish with catastrophic injuries. So yeah, no, I think

1055
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 2: I think that's a big part of it. I think

1056
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 2: all these teams are under the gun to be competitive

1057
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 2: right away. You and I spent a lot of time

1058
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 2: talking about college football, and I wanted to run this

1059
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 2: this idea by you. Do you think there is a

1060
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,800
Speaker 2: way and do you think it is possible for the NFL?

1061
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 2: Do you think it'll happen for the NFL and college

1062
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 2: football to work together on this December schedule? Because I

1063
00:49:57,840 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 2: know you look at it, I look at it. I'm

1064
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 2: looking at a twelve day college football playoff, and I'm

1065
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 2: looking at a finite amount of Saturdays and having to

1066
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 2: play games on Thursdays and Fridays, and it just feels

1067
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 2: like if the two could work together. Now, the NFL

1068
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 2: has shown no interest in acquiescing to anybody. They're going

1069
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 2: to play Christmas Day on a Wednesday now because they

1070
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 2: can deliver the ratings and all of that. But I

1071
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 2: do wonder if a college football playoff Elite eight game,

1072
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 2: if it were, would tear enough audience away from an

1073
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,800
Speaker 2: NFL regular season that the NFL would say, Hey, this

1074
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,919
Speaker 2: is the perfect minor league system. Let's try to find

1075
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 2: a way to coexist through December where we can all

1076
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,280
Speaker 2: still get all of our flowers.

1077
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 13: Yeah, for sure. And one of my frustrations is this

1078
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 13: is a little personal, is when you cover the National

1079
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 13: Championship game, which I've been able to do for several years,

1080
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 13: you kind of start banging your head on the wall

1081
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 13: because you're like, my stories aren't being read. What's going on?

1082
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 13: And the answer isn't anything to do with what I'm writing,

1083
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 13: no matter how boring or not boring it is. It's

1084
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 13: because it's going head to with the NFL. And the

1085
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 13: longer you go head to head with the NFL and

1086
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 13: the Week eighteen, the wildcard, the divisional playoff, you're going

1087
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 13: to run into problems because I just think people care

1088
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:13,280
Speaker 13: more about the NFL than they do the college football product,

1089
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 13: which it's just true. So yeah, And I think one

1090
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,399
Speaker 13: thing bo that I've always thought of is why don't

1091
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 13: they push the college football calendar, you know, just start

1092
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 13: playing the playoff right away? Why are we doing that

1093
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 13: big break?

1094
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 2: Well, my view on it is, I think college football

1095
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:32,839
Speaker 2: should and I never know if it's if it's push

1096
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 2: it back or move it up. But you and I

1097
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 2: have the boast have the same idea. I think you

1098
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 2: play week one week zero in college football. I think

1099
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 2: you play two weekends before you get to I think

1100
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 2: Labor Days, the second full weekend of college football. Then

1101
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you can move those conference championship

1102
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 2: games back to the Saturday after Thanksgiving. Now, all of

1103
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 2: a sudden, you start the playoffs the next week. You

1104
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 2: have this whole thing done by January first, and with

1105
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 2: the NFL going to or maybe the Monday after, you know,

1106
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 2: Monday after the first baby play the semifinals the week

1107
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 2: that around the first, but play the Monday after. Now,

1108
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, your entire college football playoff is

1109
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,439
Speaker 2: done before the NFL even starts theirs. To me, that's

1110
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 2: a calendar that everybody wins with. Because look, the most

1111
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 2: popular sport in this country is the NFL by a

1112
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 2: thousand miles. College football second, and it's not close some

1113
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:22,320
Speaker 2: particularly close second. So find a way to work together.

1114
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 2: It's the perfect minor league system. Caleb Williams is going

1115
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 2: to arrive in Chicago a ready made star. I mean

1116
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 2: when we drafted Baker Mayfield, he was a ready made star.

1117
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:33,320
Speaker 2: Johnny Manziel is a ready made star. Everybody benefits from this.

1118
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 2: Why not just work together a little bit on the calendar.

1119
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure, because I do like.

1120
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 13: One of the things I do like about it, and

1121
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 13: I think is on the schedule, was this idea that

1122
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 13: you have a if we're in the round of eight

1123
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 13: for college football, for example, you have a Thursday game

1124
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 13: of maybe two Thursday games, two Friday games, and then

1125
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 13: you go into the.

1126
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:54,320
Speaker 4: NFL after that.

1127
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:57,799
Speaker 13: That is so simple. We are all creatures that love

1128
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 13: football from the that first Labor Day weekend all the

1129
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 13: way through the Super Bowl, we're gonna sit and watch it.

1130
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 13: So if they could work together on the timing of

1131
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 13: those games. One of my concerns with the twelve team playoff,

1132
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 13: and it's timely because we're in basketball season now or

1133
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 13: the end of it is. If we have a dud,

1134
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 13: are you stuck with that dud? Right when I'm watching

1135
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 13: what was a blowout in the tournament this year, ucon

1136
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 13: blows somebody else at somebody out in the first second round,

1137
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 13: I change a channel. I'm worried. We can't do that

1138
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 13: with the college football Playoff. If we get a dud

1139
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 13: in the first.

1140
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:32,800
Speaker 2: Round, it's gonna happen. I mean it's gonna and we

1141
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 2: look sometimes we have duds in the NFL too. My

1142
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 2: hunch is that I think that both of them are

1143
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 2: almost too big to fail. As much as college football

1144
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 2: is lawless at the moment, I think that we have

1145
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 2: such a thirst for it, for football in this country

1146
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 2: that both will just continue to grow. I think the

1147
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 2: College Footballlayoff is going to be a monster ratings.

1148
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 3: Wise, Bill I do. I think it's gonna be huge,

1149
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 3: huge numbers. We're seeing it. Fifteen million people watched was

1150
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 3: it NC State Duke Sunday? Fifteen million people? Now that

1151
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,800
Speaker 3: game in February, whether it's in Raleigh or Durham is

1152
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 3: is seven hundred thousand.

1153
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 2: But what we love is a bracket, right. We love

1154
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 2: the idea of these two teams play in one moves

1155
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 2: on and you're gonna get that. We've never really had

1156
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 2: that in college football, not to this extent. I think

1157
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 2: it's going to be a monster ratings wise.

1158
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 6: I really do.

1159
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:23,800
Speaker 13: Man, you better start trademarking that twelve team bracket and

1160
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 13: get a print out up right now.

1161
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 3: Bo I'm telling you brother there, Yeah, I'm telling you.

1162
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,800
Speaker 13: That'd be great. Yeah, because we like having that bracket

1163
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 13: in our hand. I think that's such an important thing.

1164
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 13: And you're right, you know, I do worry a little

1165
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 13: bit about some of the matchups, but that's just because

1166
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 13: I still think the gap in college football is different

1167
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 13: from the NFL, where even going into next year you

1168
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,439
Speaker 13: use the national title favorite as well, it's Ohio State,

1169
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:49,919
Speaker 13: Georgia and Texas and they probably have a talent gap

1170
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 13: on some other teams. But you know, I worry about

1171
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 13: the forty nine to nothing Liberty Oregon game being a

1172
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 13: playoff game. But we've had, like you just said, we've

1173
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 13: had wildcard games like that. I sat through the entire

1174
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:04,839
Speaker 13: Chiefs Dolphin game last year knowing that the Chiefs are

1175
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 13: going to win the entire.

1176
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 3: Time, right, Yeah, yeah, you do. All right, let's see

1177
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 3: a little hoops. You'll be up here this weekend.

1178
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 2: I talked about this off the top of the show

1179
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 2: that obviously had a little bit of NFL news, not much,

1180
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 2: but like this, this Caitlin Clark's story, she has transcended

1181
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 2: sport bill. I mean it's she was doing five million

1182
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:27,919
Speaker 2: views on you know, regular season women's college basketball games.

1183
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,320
Speaker 2: She put on a supernova performance last night in a

1184
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 2: rematch with LSU. Now kind of the only thing left

1185
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 2: to do is win at all. The task is enormous.

1186
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 2: They're going to be Connecticut, who they play here on Friday,

1187
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 2: and then they'll theoretically have to play South Carolina in

1188
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 2: the National championship game, who I don't know is undefeated.

1189
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 3: But this is setting up pretty storybook. You've been around

1190
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 3: sports a long time.

1191
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 2: What do you make of her assent and the way

1192
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:51,879
Speaker 2: that she seems to continue to deliver every single time

1193
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 2: she's asked, Well, the.

1194
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 13: Best way that I can describe it, And as you know,

1195
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:58,240
Speaker 13: I lived down here in the Columbus area. Is coached

1196
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 13: fourth grade girls basketball this year. Every one of my

1197
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 13: girls on my team you know, the parents are O

1198
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 13: high of State fans and this and that. Every one

1199
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 13: of them was a Caitlin Clark fan. First. Yeah, that's

1200
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 13: what she's done, is she's grown that and it's just

1201
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 13: gonna continue to grow. I can't wait to see the

1202
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,840
Speaker 13: show on Friday. I could sit here and lie and

1203
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:19,439
Speaker 13: say I watched a ton of women's basketball over the years.

1204
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 13: That would be a lie. But this year I was

1205
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:25,319
Speaker 13: tuning in more and I was staying on it more. Right,

1206
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 13: you weren't changing the champions last time watched entire games.

1207
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 13: It's amazing what she does. And I can't wait to

1208
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:36,319
Speaker 13: see the show against Yukon and perhaps South Carolina. Huge

1209
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 13: for the Big Ten, by the way, could be a

1210
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 13: huge weekend for the Big Ten if Purdue and Iowa

1211
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:44,280
Speaker 13: can break these national championship droughts for the conference.

1212
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 2: So Michigan State's the last one that's the Flintstones is

1213
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:50,360
Speaker 2: at two thousand for the men.

1214
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 13: Yes, oh and seven in title games since. And here's

1215
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:55,919
Speaker 13: the thing. When they bring that up, and they're gonna

1216
00:56:55,920 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 13: bring it up all weekend, all the time, Well, look

1217
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 13: at those championship games, right, every time the Big Ten

1218
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 13: has reached a championship game since they've played a number

1219
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 13: one seed. They've played teams like Ohio State played Florida,

1220
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 13: They've played teams like Michigan played Villanova, Illinois ran into

1221
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 13: a great North Carolina team. It's not like they're losing

1222
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 13: the terrible team. So, and here's my other rant, real quick,

1223
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 13: it's about every time. What about the officials Big Ten fans,

1224
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 13: we know that we've watched them get fout for three years?

1225
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, for sure. Who's the last Big

1226
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 3: Ten women's national.

1227
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 13: Champ perdue in nineteen ninety nine? The only one, and

1228
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 13: I'll have stayed obviously, that's the one. I The women's

1229
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 13: basketball championship game I remember was nineteen ninety three, Cheryl

1230
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 13: swoops Ohio State, Katie Smith obviously from Logan. Yeah, great

1231
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 13: game that Texas Tech won, and the Big Tens had

1232
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 13: three chances since. So I mean, if if Camplin, Clark,

1233
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 13: and Zach Edy win national championships or lead their teams

1234
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 13: to national championships in the same weekend, I can't think

1235
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 13: of a better weekend for the conference as far as

1236
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 13: basketball is concerned.

1237
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 6: No, not at all.

1238
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 2: I told this story off the top of the show.

1239
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 2: You mentioned the story about the girls you coached. So

1240
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 2: I got a fourth grade son, he had aau practiced

1241
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 2: last night and they couldn't wait to watch it. So

1242
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 2: you want to talk about transcending the normal audience, That's

1243
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 2: what she's been able to do. That you can't get

1244
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 2: a ticket for this thing, Well you can. It's going

1245
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:22,240
Speaker 2: to be seven hundred bucks a ticket to get to

1246
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 2: Rocket Mortgage Field House to try to watch these games

1247
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 2: on Friday night. That's how big of a demand there

1248
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 2: is for it. On the men's side of things. Look,

1249
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 2: you and I are fans of history of the sport.

1250
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 2: We've followed it a long time, been fans a long time.

1251
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:36,439
Speaker 2: Yukon trying to become the first back to back champ

1252
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 2: since Florida. They are, They're dominant in the way that

1253
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 2: like early nineties UNLV ninety six Kentucky, like every wins

1254
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 2: by twenty six points. What they did Illinois over the

1255
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 2: weekend they scored thirty in a row and it was

1256
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 2: twenty three to twenty three, had thirty zero run and

1257
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,439
Speaker 2: you just don't see that against some very quality team.

1258
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 2: And then on the other side, you mentioned Zach Eaty,

1259
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 2: So he's going to be a two time National Player

1260
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 2: of the Year Bill, if he wins a national title,

1261
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 2: who's the last guy to do that? To be a

1262
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 2: two time is that Bill Walton? A two time national

1263
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 2: player in a year and national champion?

1264
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 13: I know, Sporting News we have that list. Luca Garza

1265
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 13: won two for US and he did not win a

1266
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 13: national title. You got to go back to those those

1267
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 13: legendary figures like Bill Walton. What is on the table

1268
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 13: for everyone That is so interesting to me is if

1269
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 13: Yukon wins and Purdue wins, you get an old school

1270
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 13: like our dads would talk about. Way remember when Bill

1271
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 13: Walton went against Delvin Hayes. It's not you're gonna get

1272
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 13: clinging and Edie in the paint. That's amazing two seven footers,

1273
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 13: and I think it's gonna be a lot of fun

1274
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 13: if those two teams win. You come, like you said,

1275
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 13: the fact that we're even putting them in the UNLB

1276
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 13: Kentucky Florida and the other one was one you know

1277
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 13: that Duke team that wanted these are amazing. They went

1278
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 13: on a thirty nine and run. How A buddy text me,

1279
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 13: He's like, I stepped out of the house for like

1280
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 13: ten minutes. What happened. He goes Illinois has the same school. Yeah,

1281
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 13: A pretty good laugh about that.

1282
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:03,440
Speaker 2: That same thing happened to me. It was twenty eight

1283
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 2: twenty three. I had to go do something with the boys.

1284
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 2: I came back and it was like forty one twenty three,

1285
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 2: and I'm I did, how did this? This is where

1286
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 2: we're at now, and that's that's what happened. So it's

1287
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 2: gonna be a lot of fun. I'll get you out

1288
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 2: of here on this one. How do you think who

1289
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 2: cuts down the nets Sunday on the women's side and

1290
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 2: Monday on the men's side.

1291
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 13: Man, Okay, so I think it will be Yukon. And

1292
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 13: I know that's a boring answer. On the men's well,

1293
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 13: I could say that the boat, But the men's answer

1294
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 13: I think is Yukon. I think Danny Hurley this team,

1295
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 13: they're just focused the tougher. I think they'll find Alabama

1296
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 13: could give them some issues scoring, but I like Yukon

1297
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 13: to win the whole thing. I want to pick Iowa

1298
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:42,919
Speaker 13: so bad, but I just have a feeling that South

1299
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 13: Carolina has been thinking about that game since last year.

1300
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 13: Don Staley, they're quite you know, it's wild that we're

1301
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 13: talking about Kaitlin Clark so much that on in South Carolina,

1302
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 13: Gino and Don got to be sitting there being like,

1303
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 13: that's fine about Kaitling all week. I mean, these are superpowers.

1304
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Speaker 13: They've been on this stage and I'm gonna be boring Bow.

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Speaker 13: I think South Carolina wins it, though. It would be

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Speaker 13: so awesome if Caitlin Clark could lead Iowa to a

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Speaker 13: national championship and the impact that that would have on

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Speaker 13: the game.

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Speaker 3: It's incredible.

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Speaker 2: Just for contact. South Carolina has only lost once in

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Speaker 2: the last two years, and it was to Iowa.

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Speaker 6: That's it.

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Speaker 2: They've They've won all the other games that they've played.

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Speaker 2: They lost to the Iowa yet last year in the

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Speaker 2: in the final four. Always a pleasure talking to you,

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Speaker 2: my friend. Thanks for your time.

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Speaker 13: Hey, no problem, be well, but I'll talk to you soon.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 2: That's our great friend, Bill Bender The Sporting News joining

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Speaker 2: Keep it Twisted Cleveland a little higher or lower, better

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Speaker 2: or worse? Coming up next you listen to Cleveland brown

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Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns Daily brought to you by Balley bed Now

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Speaker 1: live in Ohio on eight to fifty ESP and Cleveland.

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Speaker 2: All Right, before we gets a little higher or lower,

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01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 2: better or worse, it is time for the Griff Fact

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Speaker 2: of the day.

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Speaker 3: Hit it Fact of the.

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Speaker 6: Day, Fact of the day.

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Speaker 5: Fact of the day. It's the Griff fact of the day.

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Speaker 7: So today's fact is about Griff himself. He has never

1334
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 7: been to or seen the ocean before in his life.

1335
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Speaker 7: So he's never been to either of the coasts, the

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Speaker 7: East coast West either one, neither one.

1337
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 3: Has he seen the Gulf of Mexico.

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01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 5: Nope.

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Speaker 3: What's the largest body of water you've seen? Lake Erie?

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Speaker 6: Lake Erie or Lake Superior?

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Speaker 3: Superior is bigger. What's the closest you've gotten?

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Speaker 14: Probably Lake Superior?

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Speaker 3: No, No, No, ocean, ocean.

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01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 8: Uh.

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Speaker 14: For the West coast, the closest I've been is probably

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Speaker 14: New Mexico or Arizona. And then the East coast is Washington,

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Speaker 14: d C.

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Speaker 3: Okay, you're yeah, that's a vicinity. You gotta get that done.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 3: Oh, I I feel like you need to get that done.

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01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 14: I was telling Uno back here that I've never been

1353
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:05,480
Speaker 14: to a beach. I don't know what that experience is like.

1354
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:07,960
Speaker 14: I think the closest I've ever been to sand was

1355
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:10,640
Speaker 14: like the little turtle beach box I used to have

1356
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Speaker 14: as a little kid.

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Speaker 3: We got sand right up here. Yeah yeah, get up

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01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 3: to Edgewater, get yourself some sand. Yeah, there we go.

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Speaker 3: That'll take, they'll take. Carry on that. Well, we got

1360
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Speaker 3: to get that done. We got to get you in

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Speaker 3: some sand, buddy. Yeah, I know, unbelievable. What is that

1362
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:30,240
Speaker 3: a George strait song ocean front property in Arizona? It is, yes, yeah,

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Speaker 3: that seems about appropriate for you.

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Speaker 5: We got it.

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Speaker 2: We'll get you an ocean. We gotta get you a

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Speaker 2: little ocean view looking forward to it. We gotta get

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Speaker 2: that done.

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Speaker 5: All right.

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Speaker 2: Well that's that is a fascinating griff fact of the day.

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Speaker 2: All right, time for a little higher lower What do

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Speaker 2: you have for me today?

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Speaker 7: You know, we got NFL Power rankings post free agency,

1373
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Speaker 7: this time from ESPN and their NFL Nation Writers.

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Speaker 2: So I like these because it is like every one

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Speaker 2: of those, every team is covered by a writer yep,

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01:03:56,960 --> 01:04:00,200
Speaker 2: so you get a pretty good feel about what they

1377
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Speaker 2: think of those teams. So I usually like when they

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01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 2: put one of these together. I do not see this

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Speaker 2: on their website on ESPN. Do you have the I'll

1380
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Speaker 2: just go off of you.

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Speaker 7: You go, there is a I sent the rundown in

1382
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Speaker 7: your email.

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Speaker 3: There should be, but I don't see that. I don't

1384
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Speaker 3: see it.

1385
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Speaker 7: Oh you know what, I didn't copy and paste it

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Speaker 7: in there.

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Speaker 6: That is my bad.

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Speaker 3: That's all right, gibe is not here. I'm not going

1389
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Speaker 3: to tell on you.

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Speaker 7: Oh yeah I did.

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Speaker 3: Did you put it in there?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I do see it. I was looking at the

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Speaker 7: wrong segment, all right. Hold on number one, by the way, is.

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Speaker 2: The Chiefs so outrageous? Travis Scott Jordan One's gorgeous blue

1395
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 2: window pane making deals running his business?

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Speaker 6: All right?

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Speaker 5: Let me see?

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Speaker 3: All right now, I got it up. All right, I'm good.

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Speaker 7: Go our Cleveland Browns will start with them. Came in

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Speaker 7: at number twelve, right ahead, right ahead of the Steelers

1401
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Speaker 7: at thirteen, right behind the Bengals at number eleven, higher

1402
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Speaker 7: or lower for our Cleveland Browns.

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Speaker 3: I think it's all right.

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01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 6: Let me just see who's around.

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Speaker 2: Well, so this is always tricky for me because I

1406
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:03,920
Speaker 2: think better than Dallas. I think Dallas is. I think

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Speaker 2: I think this could be kind of a fall off

1408
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:08,160
Speaker 2: the cliff situation for them this year a little bit.

1409
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 2: They did nothing in free agency, basically just running it back.

1410
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:14,120
Speaker 2: So I think Dallas is a little too high. But

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Speaker 2: I can't have us ahead of They've got us ahead

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Speaker 2: of Pittsburgh, which I think is appropriate, just barely. I

1413
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:21,240
Speaker 2: think Pittsburgh will be much improved with a quarterback play.

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Speaker 2: We talked about that yesterday. I can't put us ahead

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Speaker 2: of Cincinnati in a healthy burrow. They fix their secondary

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01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:30,360
Speaker 2: as well, when when he's healthy, and now they got

1417
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:33,520
Speaker 2: Geno Stone von Bell at safety. You know, the Bengals

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Speaker 2: of you themselves as a Super Bowl contender. I think

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01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:39,640
Speaker 2: we aspire to be that, but we need to see

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Speaker 2: it at the quarterback level consistently to be able to

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Speaker 2: get there. So I think the spot we're in is fine.

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Speaker 2: I just think there's a couple of teams ahead of

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Speaker 2: us that people are too bullish on. So I think

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Speaker 2: this is the vicinity for us anywhere from eight to twelve.

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Speaker 2: It's any of that's fine, And I do think we

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Speaker 2: have some questions, you know, in terms of I mean

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Speaker 2: and who's gonna what's I'm looking at Nick Chubb, what's

1428
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:04,520
Speaker 2: his health what's what is that we have huge questions,

1429
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:06,960
Speaker 2: Deshaun's coming off of major injury, Nick Chubb's coming off

1430
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:09,360
Speaker 2: of major injury, everything else you love, but you need

1431
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 2: to see those things play out on the field before

1432
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:13,760
Speaker 2: you meet. Too bullish on us, But I do think

1433
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Speaker 2: there's some teams ahead of us who have equal questions, and.

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Speaker 7: We won't get those answers until September.

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Speaker 5: I'm no idea.

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Speaker 3: Listen, this is when did you jump on last year?

1437
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Speaker 6: Is it May?

1438
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:25,440
Speaker 3: When did you get in the mix?

1439
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Speaker 7: I was July, I think right right before Campmbryer, I here.

1440
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Speaker 2: So what you are going to experience and have already

1441
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 2: experienced a little bit this offseason is the exact same

1442
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:39,960
Speaker 2: thing that Zee and I did last offseason, which is

1443
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:42,520
Speaker 2: we don't know what we're gonna get out of Sean.

1444
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 2: We're optimistic, all signs point to big bounce back, all

1445
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:50,480
Speaker 2: of that, but there's nothing that we're going to see

1446
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 2: in mini camp. There's nothing that we're going to see

1447
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:55,480
Speaker 2: in training camp that will matter. The only thing that

1448
01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:58,960
Speaker 2: will matter is how does he play when he's healthy?

1449
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:02,000
Speaker 2: How does he play in the opener? So like for us,

1450
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 2: we're one of those teams where it's like everything between

1451
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:06,520
Speaker 2: now and then doesn't really matter. I know that the

1452
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:08,600
Speaker 2: content people aren't crazy about me saying that, but it's

1453
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:11,680
Speaker 2: the reality. Like, we have a team that is built

1454
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:14,200
Speaker 2: the age of the team, the prime of the team,

1455
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:16,040
Speaker 2: the talent of the team. It's built to go win

1456
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:19,040
Speaker 2: the super Bowl. That's the objective, right but you won't

1457
01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:21,800
Speaker 2: know for sure what that is until you get into

1458
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:23,960
Speaker 2: the season. That's what's in the same spot we were

1459
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:25,600
Speaker 2: in last year, and look what happened. We had fight

1460
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:26,440
Speaker 2: different quarterbacks.

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Speaker 7: We'll go back to the top of the list. The

1462
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:34,600
Speaker 7: Chiefs obviously number one. I think that's pretty pretty self explanatory,

1463
01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:37,960
Speaker 7: pretty consensus. Number two though the Detroit Lions.

1464
01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:42,600
Speaker 2: Wow, bullish lower for them, very bullish on the Lions.

1465
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:46,480
Speaker 2: I would have them behind San Francisco. Kansas City's won.

1466
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:49,880
Speaker 2: I'm never making a mistake again. They're picked in the

1467
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Speaker 2: Super Bowl until they don't, so they're the right one

1468
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:54,920
Speaker 2: at one. I actually think they'll be better next year.

1469
01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:58,880
Speaker 2: So Kansasy's won. I think it's too high for Detroit.

1470
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:01,520
Speaker 2: They get close to San Francisco. But I think you

1471
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:03,000
Speaker 2: know the old Rick Flair to be the man, you

1472
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Speaker 2: gotta beat the man, so I would have them behind

1473
01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:06,000
Speaker 2: San Francisco.

1474
01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:08,360
Speaker 3: Still, I would have San Francisco three.

1475
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:09,880
Speaker 6: Detroit is two.

1476
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Speaker 2: I'm fine with them being two on this list, which

1477
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:14,720
Speaker 2: is pretty wild because a year ago we would not

1478
01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:17,240
Speaker 2: have said two NFC teams behind the Chiefs. You would

1479
01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:19,400
Speaker 2: have said is it possible? You know, last year at

1480
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:20,880
Speaker 2: this time, if you're doing a power rank, you'd have

1481
01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:27,799
Speaker 2: said Kansas City, Buffalo, Cincinnati, all three of those AFC

1482
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:31,639
Speaker 2: teams ahead, But the other two have big questions.

1483
01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:33,400
Speaker 3: So I think it's I think those are the right three.

1484
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:35,759
Speaker 3: The Lions at three, I think I just just flipped

1485
01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:36,559
Speaker 3: them in San Francisco.

1486
01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:40,040
Speaker 7: About the Baltimore Ravens at number four, they've lost a

1487
01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:43,400
Speaker 7: ton this offseason, higher or lower for than four.

1488
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 2: For all, I think it's way too high for them

1489
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:50,160
Speaker 2: to be at four. You mentioned the losses, we mentioned Stone,

1490
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 2: we mentioned Patrick Queen. They did bring in Derrick Henry.

1491
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:54,960
Speaker 2: Obviously that will help, but I don't know that it's

1492
01:08:56,120 --> 01:08:58,280
Speaker 2: it's that much help. They also, by the way, have

1493
01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:01,240
Speaker 2: to replace their entire defensive staff. So I think Baltimore

1494
01:09:01,360 --> 01:09:04,160
Speaker 2: comes back. I think another factor in Baltimore coming back

1495
01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:07,400
Speaker 2: is theoretically we'll have a hell seat DeShawn Watson all year.

1496
01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:09,639
Speaker 2: The Bengals will have a healthy Joe Burrow all year.

1497
01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:11,599
Speaker 2: The Steelers are gonna be much improved at quarterbacks.

1498
01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:12,599
Speaker 3: So I just think there.

1499
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:14,760
Speaker 2: I don't think there's that much difference between them and

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01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:17,360
Speaker 2: those other three teams. I think all the AFC North

1501
01:09:17,360 --> 01:09:20,160
Speaker 2: teams should be between seven and eleven.

1502
01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:23,479
Speaker 7: And the other three are thirteen. So they're all right there.

1503
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:24,920
Speaker 3: They're all pretty much the same.

1504
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:29,920
Speaker 7: Rounding out the top ten. Houston is at eight, by

1505
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:32,040
Speaker 7: the Philly was at seven, by the way, Buffalo five,

1506
01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:34,960
Speaker 7: by the way, when we were at five, Wow, Buffalo five,

1507
01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:39,200
Speaker 7: Miami six, the Philly seven, Houston all the way up

1508
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:42,720
Speaker 7: at eight, then Dallas and Green Bay. Any problems with

1509
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:44,800
Speaker 7: the rest of that top ten any higher anything, they

1510
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:45,439
Speaker 7: need to be out of there.

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01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:48,800
Speaker 2: Buffalo's too high because they've had they I mean, it's

1512
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:50,920
Speaker 2: possible the window came and went. They still have Allen,

1513
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:52,519
Speaker 2: so you always have a chance when you have him.

1514
01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:55,080
Speaker 2: But but to me, I have I think they're a

1515
01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:59,000
Speaker 2: little high. I think Miami is that's kind of right

1516
01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:00,320
Speaker 2: where I think they ought to be. I know Z

1517
01:10:00,439 --> 01:10:02,559
Speaker 2: wasn't quite as high on them. I'm surprised the Jets

1518
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:05,000
Speaker 2: aren't higher. Honestly, you must be Where do they have

1519
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:05,840
Speaker 2: the Jets on this list?

1520
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:07,000
Speaker 7: The Jets are eighteen.

1521
01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:10,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's too low for them and their talent. Soon Yeah,

1522
01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:12,439
Speaker 2: if they can. If Rogers is healthy, then I think

1523
01:10:12,479 --> 01:10:16,840
Speaker 2: they're going to be fine. Philly is seven. I think

1524
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:19,679
Speaker 2: that's a little bit of an overreaction. I mean, remember

1525
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:22,920
Speaker 2: they were ten and zero. You know, I don't know

1526
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:26,360
Speaker 2: if the Hurts thing is something that is he just

1527
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:27,520
Speaker 2: takes such a beating.

1528
01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:31,840
Speaker 7: That those pushes a lot worse like it. Think, yeah, he's.

1529
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:33,840
Speaker 2: He's taken a beating. So I think maybe it's a

1530
01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:38,800
Speaker 2: little optimistic on Philly. I'm big bullish on Houston. It's

1531
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:41,720
Speaker 2: amazing what they've done, and I liked some of the

1532
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:43,600
Speaker 2: stuff they've done in the off season year two with

1533
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:47,040
Speaker 2: Stroud that I like them a lot. I think I

1534
01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:49,080
Speaker 2: like green Bay too. I think green Bay should be higher,

1535
01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:51,080
Speaker 2: and I'd have Dallas a little lower. So I would

1536
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:53,960
Speaker 2: probably move up all of the AFC North teams up

1537
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:56,240
Speaker 2: a couple of rungs, and then I would bring Dallas back,

1538
01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:57,880
Speaker 2: and I'd bring Buffalo back.

1539
01:10:57,720 --> 01:10:58,160
Speaker 6: A little bit.

1540
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:02,439
Speaker 7: An interesting one all the way down near the bottom.

1541
01:11:02,479 --> 01:11:06,759
Speaker 7: The Los Angeles Chargers twenty sixth in this power ranking

1542
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:10,680
Speaker 7: higher or lower for a new coach there and a

1543
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:12,679
Speaker 7: whole new offense in Los Angeles.

1544
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:13,639
Speaker 3: Boy, that's look.

1545
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:17,080
Speaker 2: I know they've lost a lot, you know they they've

1546
01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:20,120
Speaker 2: lost Jerald Everett, they've lost Eckler, Allen, Mike Williams.

1547
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:22,880
Speaker 3: But they're picking what fifth five?

1548
01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:25,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So if and we're gonna have Eric Edholm

1549
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:27,439
Speaker 2: on coming up here in a couple of minutes, he

1550
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:30,840
Speaker 2: has he has a quarterback trade happening at four in

1551
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:33,280
Speaker 2: his latest s mock, and that would allow Marvin Harrison

1552
01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:36,120
Speaker 2: Junior to go to the Chargers. So if Marvin Harrison

1553
01:11:36,200 --> 01:11:40,599
Speaker 2: Junior slides in and you're catching passes from Justin Herbert,

1554
01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:44,040
Speaker 2: that wins. One other thing to note, and you know,

1555
01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:46,760
Speaker 2: obviously there's a lot of Buckeye fans around here. Jim

1556
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:49,960
Speaker 2: Harbaugh can coach it. He can flat out coach it.

1557
01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:54,680
Speaker 2: Everywhere he's been, they win right away. They rant one

1558
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:56,559
Speaker 2: right away in San Francisco when he was there, They

1559
01:11:56,600 --> 01:11:58,559
Speaker 2: won right away in Stanford when he was there. They

1560
01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:00,519
Speaker 2: immediately improved at Michigan when he was there, and then

1561
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:03,080
Speaker 2: it was a lull and then back up. But he's

1562
01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:05,479
Speaker 2: going to have them winning. They'll play a winning brand

1563
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:08,280
Speaker 2: of football. That is way too low for the Los

1564
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:10,400
Speaker 2: Angeles Chargers, just on the fact that they have Herbert

1565
01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:12,519
Speaker 2: and I still like a lot of their talent. That's

1566
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:13,240
Speaker 2: way too low.

1567
01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:15,120
Speaker 7: I've seen them very low on a lot of these,

1568
01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:17,000
Speaker 7: and that was been the one team. I'm surprised.

1569
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:21,799
Speaker 15: People below Tennessee, you know, yeah, below the Raiders Minshew

1570
01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:27,240
Speaker 15: Herbert Minshew. Yeah, they've got him below the Raiders. Minnesota.

1571
01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:29,559
Speaker 3: They got him ahead of minute, behind Minnesota on this list.

1572
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:31,360
Speaker 7: I mean, there's a lot of teams with who's quarterback

1573
01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:34,479
Speaker 7: in Minnesota, potential rookie quarterbacks that we don't know anything

1574
01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:37,560
Speaker 7: about that are ahead of Justin Herbert and Jim Harbaugh.

1575
01:12:37,400 --> 01:12:41,400
Speaker 3: Sam Darnold, Yeah, Caleb Williams in year one.

1576
01:12:41,640 --> 01:12:42,040
Speaker 6: I don't know.

1577
01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:43,080
Speaker 3: I think no.

1578
01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:45,519
Speaker 2: I think they got Atlanta, by the way, criminally low

1579
01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:48,280
Speaker 2: on this as well. I think Atlanta. I'm big on them.

1580
01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:50,160
Speaker 2: I could see Atlanta. I would have Atlanta more like twelve.

1581
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:52,880
Speaker 2: He's got they got him nineteen on this list.

1582
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:54,040
Speaker 7: Watch out for those Falcons.

1583
01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:56,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a lot. They're better than Tampa next year.

1584
01:12:57,040 --> 01:12:58,879
Speaker 2: Indy's way too high. They get Indy sixteen.

1585
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:03,080
Speaker 7: This was this was a weird list. Unfortunately we didn't

1586
01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:04,240
Speaker 7: have time to get to a lot of it, but

1587
01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:06,360
Speaker 7: there were a lot of that's a strange agree weird

1588
01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:07,599
Speaker 7: numbers on this one, very.

1589
01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:08,240
Speaker 3: Very strange list.

1590
01:13:08,280 --> 01:13:10,200
Speaker 2: All right, good jovit of you, though, strange lists make

1591
01:13:10,240 --> 01:13:12,519
Speaker 2: for good content, so that's a winning all right. Coming

1592
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:14,479
Speaker 2: up next, we'll do a little NFL draft talk. Eric

1593
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:17,160
Speaker 2: Edholm joins us of NFL dot Com. You listen to

1594
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:19,560
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1595
01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:28,559
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1601
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:46,080
Speaker 2: NFL dot coms Eric at Holme joins us to talk

1602
01:13:46,120 --> 01:13:47,840
Speaker 2: a little bit about the draft. You got the latest

1603
01:13:47,880 --> 01:13:49,560
Speaker 2: mock draft out of your own that we're gonna go

1604
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:52,280
Speaker 2: over here in a second, my friend, let's just start here. Though,

1605
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:55,000
Speaker 2: when you do a mock draft, Eric, are you saying

1606
01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:57,400
Speaker 2: this is what I would do, or this is what

1607
01:13:57,520 --> 01:13:58,400
Speaker 2: I think they will do.

1608
01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:04,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, so my final mock draft is most certainly one

1609
01:14:05,320 --> 01:14:08,120
Speaker 4: a prediction of what I think is going to happen. Now, obviously,

1610
01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:11,800
Speaker 4: with trades and you know, everything else that shakes up

1611
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:14,519
Speaker 4: the draft, it's it's very difficult to do that. I

1612
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:18,160
Speaker 4: sometimes take some liberties, like, for instance, I put JJ

1613
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:20,840
Speaker 4: McCarthy at number two to the commanders, and that was

1614
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:23,000
Speaker 4: a pick that a lot of people kind of attached

1615
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:26,000
Speaker 4: to and said, WHOA, you know, now, do I think

1616
01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:28,400
Speaker 4: that is guaranteed to be the pick or you know,

1617
01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:30,640
Speaker 4: do I have a super strong feeling about that. No,

1618
01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:32,760
Speaker 4: but he's been rising so much that I think there's

1619
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:36,320
Speaker 4: at least a possibility. So again, I I do play

1620
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:39,000
Speaker 4: around a little bit. But yeah, the closer we get

1621
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:41,560
Speaker 4: to April twenty fifth, the more the more gospel I

1622
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:42,360
Speaker 4: hope it becomes.

1623
01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:46,120
Speaker 2: How how do you this is such silly season right now,

1624
01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:49,880
Speaker 2: and you mentioned h JJ. You know we so we

1625
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:51,720
Speaker 2: have the Combine, then we have the pro Days, and

1626
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:53,960
Speaker 2: then we have this dead period and this is kind

1627
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:56,439
Speaker 2: of the silly season where you see guys rise and fall,

1628
01:14:56,520 --> 01:14:58,360
Speaker 2: and a couple of weeks ago is like, well, Marvin

1629
01:14:58,360 --> 01:15:00,640
Speaker 2: Harrison's maybe the third best receiver in this draft, and

1630
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:02,439
Speaker 2: I'm haven't watched him play for three years.

1631
01:15:02,479 --> 01:15:04,000
Speaker 3: I'm like, this is insane. I don't know what's going

1632
01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:07,840
Speaker 3: on here. How do you sift through that this time

1633
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:08,240
Speaker 3: of year?

1634
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:12,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I have to remind myself it's it's been a

1635
01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:14,639
Speaker 4: it's only taken me about twenty years to figure this out.

1636
01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:16,760
Speaker 4: But you know, a lot of the things that you

1637
01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:20,040
Speaker 4: hear at the combine, which you know starts late February

1638
01:15:20,160 --> 01:15:22,880
Speaker 4: and you know, early March whatever. A lot of the

1639
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:26,960
Speaker 4: things you hear from you know, other people's reporting, talking

1640
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:31,840
Speaker 4: to people in the hallways in Indianapolis, conversations late at night,

1641
01:15:31,880 --> 01:15:34,519
Speaker 4: early in the morning, whatever. You know that that intel

1642
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:36,519
Speaker 4: ends up being pretty good, and you're there is this

1643
01:15:37,960 --> 01:15:42,599
Speaker 4: misinformation period that definitely comes about where you know Mac

1644
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:45,120
Speaker 4: Jones is definitely going third to the forty nine ers,

1645
01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:47,800
Speaker 4: and you know this player is a guaranteed top ten

1646
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:49,479
Speaker 4: pick and then he falls to twenty fifth.

1647
01:15:49,479 --> 01:15:50,160
Speaker 13: I mean, we hear this.

1648
01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:54,640
Speaker 4: Stuff every every year, and obviously I think some of

1649
01:15:54,680 --> 01:15:58,759
Speaker 4: it originated in March, so you can kind of latch

1650
01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:01,080
Speaker 4: onto some of that and other things are gonna just

1651
01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:04,960
Speaker 4: be completely off the radar, the stuff that we couldn't

1652
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:07,479
Speaker 4: have predicted or never really came out before the draft.

1653
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:10,360
Speaker 4: So there's no full proof way of doing it. But

1654
01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:13,960
Speaker 4: I do try to remember that stuff. You hear, you know,

1655
01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:16,839
Speaker 4: April Fool's Day lasts about three weeks in the NFL.

1656
01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:20,439
Speaker 3: I agree, that's no mind. Yeah, it's funny you bring

1657
01:16:20,520 --> 01:16:20,760
Speaker 3: that up.

1658
01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:22,240
Speaker 2: Nathan and I talk about that all the time on

1659
01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:24,680
Speaker 2: the show, like, really, the stuff at the combine is

1660
01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:27,479
Speaker 2: the best intel that's the closest to the real truth

1661
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:30,880
Speaker 2: is you're gonna get. And really the opinions oftentimes I've

1662
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:32,800
Speaker 2: found I'm sure you've you fed that as well, they

1663
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:35,639
Speaker 2: don't really change that much. Usually what people feel about

1664
01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:38,479
Speaker 2: in February they feel that way when the draft comes around.

1665
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:40,640
Speaker 2: So I think that's funny that you I feel the

1666
01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:43,519
Speaker 2: exact same way. All right, let's start at the top.

1667
01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:46,839
Speaker 2: Obviously everyone has had Caleb Williams number one to Chicago.

1668
01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:47,559
Speaker 3: You do as well?

1669
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:51,320
Speaker 2: Is there anything that you could imagine preventing him from

1670
01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:52,720
Speaker 2: being a bear on Draft night?

1671
01:16:53,680 --> 01:16:56,240
Speaker 4: There's something happening off the field between now and then.

1672
01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:58,200
Speaker 4: Obviously I don't think it will I mean, you know,

1673
01:16:58,280 --> 01:17:01,040
Speaker 4: I really think that that's I wouldn't know that it's

1674
01:17:01,160 --> 01:17:03,519
Speaker 4: locked in, but I don't think they would they would

1675
01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:06,960
Speaker 4: tell people that. But I do feel like that's the

1676
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:09,880
Speaker 4: guy they're focusing in on. So yeah, I mean you

1677
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:12,880
Speaker 4: never know. You never truly get get word until the

1678
01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:15,680
Speaker 4: pick comes in or until other people are reporting it

1679
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:18,680
Speaker 4: in masks. But yeah, I would say that it's as

1680
01:17:18,720 --> 01:17:20,000
Speaker 4: close to a certainty.

1681
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:20,120
Speaker 6: As it could be.

1682
01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:22,720
Speaker 5: What is he give me a A?

1683
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:24,200
Speaker 3: What do you believe he will be?

1684
01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:26,760
Speaker 2: Because it's a white again silly season, you get a

1685
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:29,439
Speaker 2: wide range of opinion. He's been penciled into your sharp

1686
01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:30,280
Speaker 2: in here all year.

1687
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:35,280
Speaker 4: I mean, if if Caleb Williams, if the scheme is

1688
01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:39,599
Speaker 4: smart and there's there's good protection, he can do so much.

1689
01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:42,080
Speaker 4: I think where where he where Caleb kind of got

1690
01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:44,920
Speaker 4: in trouble in college was, you know, and he has

1691
01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:47,560
Speaker 4: the ability obviously to extend plays and move outside the

1692
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:50,280
Speaker 4: pocket and throw on the run and you know, deliver

1693
01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:52,920
Speaker 4: the ball with just about every arm angle imaginable, and

1694
01:17:53,439 --> 01:17:55,840
Speaker 4: you know he's he's special at that. There are guys

1695
01:17:55,880 --> 01:17:57,280
Speaker 4: who try to do that who can't.

1696
01:17:57,360 --> 01:17:58,680
Speaker 6: I think he's fine doing it.

1697
01:17:58,760 --> 01:18:01,680
Speaker 4: I don't mind him taking those risks, but you know

1698
01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:05,479
Speaker 4: that the more often he tried to keep plays alive,

1699
01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:10,719
Speaker 4: either sacks or fumbles or occasionally one of those throws

1700
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:13,559
Speaker 4: was off target. And you know, his interception totals are low,

1701
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:15,920
Speaker 4: but you know he did put some balls and harms

1702
01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:18,519
Speaker 4: away that you thought that could have been prevented, that

1703
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:21,160
Speaker 4: didn't need to happen, right, So yeah, there are some

1704
01:18:21,479 --> 01:18:22,960
Speaker 4: You're going to have to live with a couple of

1705
01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:25,719
Speaker 4: warts in his play. But I do think he's special.

1706
01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:28,599
Speaker 4: And if he goes to Chicago, you know, Keenan Allen's

1707
01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:30,840
Speaker 4: going to be a great resource for him and a

1708
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:33,800
Speaker 4: great option for him. So it's Dj Moore and Cole

1709
01:18:33,880 --> 01:18:36,080
Speaker 4: Comet really came on. So they have some pretty good

1710
01:18:36,120 --> 01:18:38,840
Speaker 4: weapons there that you know, I think will be a good,

1711
01:18:39,479 --> 01:18:43,000
Speaker 4: uh starting place for him in his career. But you know,

1712
01:18:43,160 --> 01:18:45,400
Speaker 4: it wouldn't be shocking with all the talent at quarterback

1713
01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:48,760
Speaker 4: in this class, somebody could outperform a year one and that, yeah,

1714
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:50,240
Speaker 4: you know, kicks up the pressure.

1715
01:18:49,960 --> 01:18:50,360
Speaker 6: A little bit.

1716
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:53,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, so are an amazing they didn't make a coaching

1717
01:18:53,200 --> 01:18:55,400
Speaker 2: change there, like just start fresh.

1718
01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:58,200
Speaker 4: I was a little surprised, Yeah, I was surprised. I

1719
01:18:58,320 --> 01:19:00,800
Speaker 4: think when they prior to the Green Bay game and

1720
01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:05,960
Speaker 4: Weekend Night eighteen. Rather, they really played some good football defensively,

1721
01:19:06,320 --> 01:19:08,800
Speaker 4: improved offense, you know, I mean, everything seemed to be

1722
01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:11,320
Speaker 4: kind of flowing. He thought, Man, this is the team

1723
01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:13,120
Speaker 4: that was on the verge of zero and five. Right,

1724
01:19:13,160 --> 01:19:16,000
Speaker 4: they got that road wind to prevent it. But weren't

1725
01:19:16,040 --> 01:19:18,280
Speaker 4: looking very good the first month or two of the season,

1726
01:19:18,360 --> 01:19:20,680
Speaker 4: and things did seem to get better. So maybe they

1727
01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:23,960
Speaker 4: were hinging on the the internal improvement from a really

1728
01:19:24,040 --> 01:19:27,800
Speaker 4: tough spot. But I agree. Usually when you're you know,

1729
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:30,800
Speaker 4: when you've sort of decided to move forward with a

1730
01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:34,439
Speaker 4: new quarterback and you've already had issues with last year's

1731
01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:38,080
Speaker 4: offensive coordinator, you tend to make a change as opposed

1732
01:19:38,120 --> 01:19:40,040
Speaker 4: to this arranged marriage kind of thing.

1733
01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:43,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's strange. Let's get to the McCarthy conversation. He's

1734
01:19:43,479 --> 01:19:46,200
Speaker 2: been the hot topic. You have him second to Washington.

1735
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:50,400
Speaker 2: What has changed or is this something JJ has done

1736
01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:53,320
Speaker 2: or something that Daniels and may have not done over

1737
01:19:53,320 --> 01:19:53,920
Speaker 2: the last month.

1738
01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:57,200
Speaker 4: Well, let's give him credit obviously for the for the

1739
01:19:57,280 --> 01:20:00,160
Speaker 4: playoff run. I mean, even if you know you you

1740
01:20:00,320 --> 01:20:03,040
Speaker 4: rightfully say, like Michigan was a running football team, and

1741
01:20:03,479 --> 01:20:05,840
Speaker 4: they did that exceptionally well. I mean when JJ had

1742
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:08,880
Speaker 4: to deliver you know, the game time drive against Alabama

1743
01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:12,120
Speaker 4: and you know, some really nice play against Washington in

1744
01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:13,080
Speaker 4: the in the final.

1745
01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:13,479
Speaker 8: Uh.

1746
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:17,720
Speaker 4: You know, I think people have grown to appreciate where

1747
01:20:17,880 --> 01:20:20,439
Speaker 4: he is and what he can be. But I think

1748
01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:23,400
Speaker 4: also the interview process too, as teams have gotten to

1749
01:20:23,479 --> 01:20:26,280
Speaker 4: know him, at least from what I've heard, he's kind

1750
01:20:26,280 --> 01:20:29,920
Speaker 4: of blown them away with his equanimity and his calm

1751
01:20:30,040 --> 01:20:33,759
Speaker 4: and his intelligence and just sort of all the things

1752
01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:36,760
Speaker 4: that you you can only teach to a degree. You

1753
01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:39,240
Speaker 4: either have it or you don't to some some measure.

1754
01:20:39,320 --> 01:20:42,200
Speaker 4: And you know, obviously Jim Harbad has gone a long

1755
01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:44,640
Speaker 4: way to try to pump up his stock, and it

1756
01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:47,080
Speaker 4: would be great for Jim if if JJ went ahead

1757
01:20:47,120 --> 01:20:49,920
Speaker 4: of the fifth pick of the Chargers pick. But you know,

1758
01:20:50,040 --> 01:20:52,679
Speaker 4: he's been saying this stuff prior to taking the job

1759
01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:55,760
Speaker 4: in LA, So I tend to believe it, you know,

1760
01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:59,120
Speaker 4: even though Jim obviously will we'll tell some stories and whatnot.

1761
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:01,560
Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean, I just think there's there's a

1762
01:21:01,640 --> 01:21:07,080
Speaker 4: belief that he's got good tangibles and very good intangible,

1763
01:21:07,160 --> 01:21:13,200
Speaker 4: if not excellent, rare intangibles in terms of leadership, smart, competitiveness,

1764
01:21:13,680 --> 01:21:17,040
Speaker 4: you know, all the things that you'd be hard pressed

1765
01:21:17,080 --> 01:21:19,599
Speaker 4: to find a great quarterback who didn't have that quality.

1766
01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:22,439
Speaker 2: Anyone who watched his run and a lot of college

1767
01:21:22,479 --> 01:21:24,439
Speaker 2: football fans around here who watched his run, and the

1768
01:21:24,479 --> 01:21:28,040
Speaker 2: way he handled all the media stuff the last sixty

1769
01:21:28,160 --> 01:21:31,439
Speaker 2: days at Michigan knew that he would blow away NFL

1770
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:33,840
Speaker 2: ownership and executives with the way he talked.

1771
01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:34,920
Speaker 3: He's just an impressive kid.

1772
01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:35,200
Speaker 6: He is.

1773
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:37,360
Speaker 3: And they had a lot thrown at him in the

1774
01:21:37,439 --> 01:21:39,519
Speaker 3: last month obviously than right.

1775
01:21:39,439 --> 01:21:42,240
Speaker 4: Josa, that yoah gets your centered.

1776
01:21:42,360 --> 01:21:44,400
Speaker 6: You know what I mean, man, you do.

1777
01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:47,160
Speaker 2: So this is that you mentioned Harbor. This is the

1778
01:21:47,200 --> 01:21:50,000
Speaker 2: dream scenario because you have him going. You got McCarthy

1779
01:21:50,040 --> 01:21:52,479
Speaker 2: at two, then you got Jaden three to New England,

1780
01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:55,040
Speaker 2: and then Minnesota comes up at four to get Drake May.

1781
01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:58,559
Speaker 2: So they addressed their quarterback issue there. And so first

1782
01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:02,559
Speaker 2: non quarterback off the ball is Marvin Harrison Junior. If

1783
01:22:02,640 --> 01:22:05,479
Speaker 2: you are Arizona, what does it take for you to

1784
01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:09,400
Speaker 2: come out of four and just take Marvin? It feels

1785
01:22:09,439 --> 01:22:10,880
Speaker 2: like a sure thing for me as there is in

1786
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:14,200
Speaker 2: this draft, and and make that deal is what does

1787
01:22:14,240 --> 01:22:15,720
Speaker 2: it take? What's that deal look like?

1788
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:19,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a great question. I think if you're the Cardinals,

1789
01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:22,439
Speaker 4: you're asking yourself how how much of a difference is

1790
01:22:22,520 --> 01:22:26,640
Speaker 4: there between either Marvin or Molikue neighbors or you know,

1791
01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:28,920
Speaker 4: if they could have Roma Dunza as their top receiver

1792
01:22:29,080 --> 01:22:32,160
Speaker 4: for all I know, whoever their number one receiver is

1793
01:22:32,280 --> 01:22:36,719
Speaker 4: or non quarterback is. You know, what's the difference between

1794
01:22:36,880 --> 01:22:42,439
Speaker 4: him and trading down to the you know, the early teens,

1795
01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:45,679
Speaker 4: let's say, or you know, somewhere within the top ten,

1796
01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:49,479
Speaker 4: to the kind of players you potentially have available at

1797
01:22:49,479 --> 01:22:52,559
Speaker 4: those spots. I mean, that's really the question. And receiver

1798
01:22:52,800 --> 01:22:55,200
Speaker 4: is a very talented, deep group this year, you know,

1799
01:22:55,240 --> 01:22:56,880
Speaker 4: I mean it seems like we say that, if not

1800
01:22:57,000 --> 01:23:00,439
Speaker 4: every year, almost every year, last year now as much,

1801
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:03,960
Speaker 4: but this year certainly. And you know, if you believe

1802
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:06,519
Speaker 4: the chatter out there that some teams have Neighbors over

1803
01:23:06,640 --> 01:23:09,640
Speaker 4: Harrison or you know, I think Brian Thomas is just

1804
01:23:09,720 --> 01:23:12,240
Speaker 4: as good as some of the top three there, so

1805
01:23:13,080 --> 01:23:15,240
Speaker 4: then then maybe you do that deal and say we

1806
01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:18,000
Speaker 4: love Marvin Harrison, we love Milik Neighbors one of those guys,

1807
01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:22,759
Speaker 4: but getting a second first round pick and maybe something

1808
01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:26,640
Speaker 4: else a little sweetener. Two. It's pretty pealing and you

1809
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:29,840
Speaker 4: can still get you your big receiver. You can still

1810
01:23:29,880 --> 01:23:33,000
Speaker 4: get help on defense or offensive line or wherever else

1811
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:35,479
Speaker 4: you want to spend that that extra pick with. So

1812
01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:39,280
Speaker 4: I they they've put that for sale sign on that pick,

1813
01:23:39,720 --> 01:23:41,599
Speaker 4: but I think, like you said, they'll.

1814
01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:42,280
Speaker 5: Drive a hard bargain.

1815
01:23:43,160 --> 01:23:45,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and to be fair to and you have them

1816
01:23:45,720 --> 01:23:48,360
Speaker 2: coming back in. So you have them at eight coming

1817
01:23:48,520 --> 01:23:51,400
Speaker 2: trading with Atlanta and getting Rome Aduncie, and now of

1818
01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:53,320
Speaker 2: a sudden you're picking up an extra one and you're

1819
01:23:53,360 --> 01:23:55,719
Speaker 2: moving up and you still get a top flight receiver.

1820
01:23:56,360 --> 01:23:59,280
Speaker 2: In terms of you mentioned the receiver position, I don't

1821
01:23:59,280 --> 01:24:01,120
Speaker 2: think that'll be one for us here in Cleveland. We

1822
01:24:01,120 --> 01:24:04,519
Speaker 2: don't pick until the second round, obviously, But when when

1823
01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:07,000
Speaker 2: you think about we think about the depth of the

1824
01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:10,600
Speaker 2: running back room and maybe linebacker, would offensive tackle for

1825
01:24:10,640 --> 01:24:13,920
Speaker 2: the Browns. Where where is this draft's strengths and weaknesses

1826
01:24:14,520 --> 01:24:16,240
Speaker 2: for you? Where's where's the depth of talent?

1827
01:24:17,439 --> 01:24:17,679
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1828
01:24:17,800 --> 01:24:20,280
Speaker 4: I think yeah, Again, like you said, wide receiver may

1829
01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:22,800
Speaker 4: not be an issue. That's probably my deepest position. If

1830
01:24:22,840 --> 01:24:25,599
Speaker 4: I had to pick one offensive tackle, wouldn't I don't

1831
01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:27,120
Speaker 4: know if it would be second, but it would be

1832
01:24:27,160 --> 01:24:31,000
Speaker 4: pretty darn close behind. I mean, you know, the first round, especially,

1833
01:24:31,200 --> 01:24:33,880
Speaker 4: you're going to see a lot of really talented players,

1834
01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:36,400
Speaker 4: so that that might be just as deep as anything else.

1835
01:24:36,520 --> 01:24:41,240
Speaker 4: And you know, I think you're still talking about, you know,

1836
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:45,880
Speaker 4: borderline first round caliber talent that could make it all

1837
01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:48,679
Speaker 4: the way to forty five or fifty, somewhere in that range.

1838
01:24:48,680 --> 01:24:51,120
Speaker 4: I mean, we'll see, you know. I mean, everybody's you know,

1839
01:24:51,240 --> 01:24:53,559
Speaker 4: got at least one sort of flaw in their game.

1840
01:24:53,640 --> 01:24:55,360
Speaker 4: But there are a lot of tackles this year who

1841
01:24:55,400 --> 01:24:58,519
Speaker 4: I think at least you know, deserves to be mentioned

1842
01:24:58,560 --> 01:25:00,680
Speaker 4: in those top thirty five or four picks or so,

1843
01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:03,519
Speaker 4: So that's one of them. Quarterback is a deep spot obviously,

1844
01:25:04,160 --> 01:25:06,120
Speaker 4: you know, it sort of depends what they think later

1845
01:25:06,240 --> 01:25:11,360
Speaker 4: in the draft at that spot, but edge corner are

1846
01:25:11,439 --> 01:25:15,160
Speaker 4: pretty deep. Maybe corner a little more than edge. I

1847
01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:18,600
Speaker 4: think running back is I don't love the high end

1848
01:25:18,680 --> 01:25:21,320
Speaker 4: talent this year. Doesn't There isn't a bjon Robinson or

1849
01:25:22,360 --> 01:25:24,280
Speaker 4: Jamier Gibbs type of guy that's going to go in

1850
01:25:24,360 --> 01:25:27,960
Speaker 4: the first round. But you know, Jonathan Brooks probably would

1851
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:30,200
Speaker 4: have been a first round or had he not suffered

1852
01:25:30,240 --> 01:25:33,160
Speaker 4: the ACL and finished out a season the way you

1853
01:25:33,240 --> 01:25:35,760
Speaker 4: know other Texas running backs have in recent years. And

1854
01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:39,639
Speaker 4: so you know, I think it's better, a better crop

1855
01:25:39,720 --> 01:25:42,200
Speaker 4: than people may realize, and the depth there is pretty good.

1856
01:25:42,560 --> 01:25:44,639
Speaker 4: You also have a lot of different types of backs

1857
01:25:44,680 --> 01:25:47,439
Speaker 4: this year too, which I like. I mean sometimes you

1858
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:51,200
Speaker 4: sort of see the range isn't that big. You know,

1859
01:25:51,240 --> 01:25:53,559
Speaker 4: they're all kind of roughly the same size, they all

1860
01:25:53,640 --> 01:25:56,200
Speaker 4: do roughly the same things, and this year is a

1861
01:25:56,240 --> 01:25:58,880
Speaker 4: little different. I mean, we do have different styles of

1862
01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:03,120
Speaker 4: runners and roles that they'll be expected to play. So yeah,

1863
01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:07,400
Speaker 4: it's not bad. It's just not just lacking a little pizaze.

1864
01:26:07,520 --> 01:26:11,000
Speaker 2: I would say, yeah, my gut lunches for us. If

1865
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:14,360
Speaker 2: it is an offensive skill position player, that receiver, running back,

1866
01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:15,960
Speaker 2: whatever it would be. It's almost like you're just looking

1867
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:18,639
Speaker 2: for a weapon, like you've seen that with Kansas City recently,

1868
01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:21,000
Speaker 2: Like you just just get us some weapons. We'll put

1869
01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:23,200
Speaker 2: them in space and try to create some things. And

1870
01:26:23,240 --> 01:26:24,760
Speaker 2: I think that's probably what the Browns are going to

1871
01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:26,760
Speaker 2: try to do offensively next year with Ken Dorsey coming

1872
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:27,360
Speaker 2: in playing out of.

1873
01:26:27,320 --> 01:26:28,200
Speaker 3: The shot cut a lot more.

1874
01:26:29,400 --> 01:26:32,360
Speaker 2: Last year's draft Eric, we had and I don't know

1875
01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:34,320
Speaker 2: if any of us realize it in the moment, certainly

1876
01:26:34,439 --> 01:26:37,240
Speaker 2: not to the extent, but you had Houston go from

1877
01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:39,400
Speaker 2: a team that looked like it had no future to

1878
01:26:39,560 --> 01:26:42,080
Speaker 2: one of the brightest futures in the league. Like that,

1879
01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:45,120
Speaker 2: when you look at how this thing sets up this year,

1880
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:48,280
Speaker 2: is there a team now a little more than a

1881
01:26:48,360 --> 01:26:50,200
Speaker 2: month away from the draft, less than a month away

1882
01:26:50,240 --> 01:26:52,240
Speaker 2: from the draft that you look at it and go, boy,

1883
01:26:52,320 --> 01:26:53,960
Speaker 2: they could flip this thing in a hurry if they

1884
01:26:54,040 --> 01:26:54,559
Speaker 2: do this right.

1885
01:26:55,680 --> 01:26:57,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean certainly the Bears, right, I mean, they

1886
01:26:57,960 --> 01:26:59,920
Speaker 4: have the first and the ninth picks in the draft.

1887
01:27:00,160 --> 01:27:02,559
Speaker 4: I know they'd, you know, look into adding a second

1888
01:27:02,640 --> 01:27:05,200
Speaker 4: rounder if they can. You know, they didn't get as

1889
01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:07,200
Speaker 4: much for the Justin Fields trade as a lot of

1890
01:27:07,240 --> 01:27:11,679
Speaker 4: people imagine they might. They haven't been quite as busy

1891
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:13,920
Speaker 4: in fre agency in terms of the big ticket kind

1892
01:27:13,960 --> 01:27:16,320
Speaker 4: of players that I thought they might. But you know,

1893
01:27:16,320 --> 01:27:20,560
Speaker 4: I still getting some really good veterans, and again, just

1894
01:27:20,640 --> 01:27:23,120
Speaker 4: the positive momentum we saw after the first month the

1895
01:27:23,240 --> 01:27:25,720
Speaker 4: last season, they're kind of already riding that wave a

1896
01:27:25,800 --> 01:27:28,439
Speaker 4: little bit. So they'd have to be on that list

1897
01:27:28,720 --> 01:27:31,200
Speaker 4: you mentioned the Cardinals as a scenario that could then't

1898
01:27:31,240 --> 01:27:33,080
Speaker 4: you know, they could end up with three first round picks.

1899
01:27:33,680 --> 01:27:35,960
Speaker 4: It wouldn't stun me if they got you know, if

1900
01:27:35,960 --> 01:27:38,960
Speaker 4: they nailed every one of those picks or came darn

1901
01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:42,120
Speaker 4: close to doing so. You know, Seattle might be on

1902
01:27:42,200 --> 01:27:42,920
Speaker 4: the downswing.

1903
01:27:43,400 --> 01:27:43,519
Speaker 7: You know.

1904
01:27:43,560 --> 01:27:46,800
Speaker 4: Obviously San Francisco don't think's going anywhere. But Aaron Donald

1905
01:27:46,920 --> 01:27:50,559
Speaker 4: just retired with the Rams. There's a there's an opportunity there.

1906
01:27:50,600 --> 01:27:52,760
Speaker 4: And Jonathan Gannon I didn't know what to make of

1907
01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:56,120
Speaker 4: him last year, but he coached his team well. I

1908
01:27:56,160 --> 01:27:58,760
Speaker 4: thought they played hard every single game even if they didn't,

1909
01:27:59,360 --> 01:28:01,560
Speaker 4: you know, have an enough to win every you know,

1910
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:03,680
Speaker 4: they've won two games in December that we're pretty big,

1911
01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:06,160
Speaker 4: and I don't know, they're an interesting team for me

1912
01:28:06,240 --> 01:28:09,160
Speaker 4: to keep an eye on. Jets. You know, obviously after

1913
01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:12,120
Speaker 4: last year, could use a stud at number ten. So

1914
01:28:12,760 --> 01:28:15,040
Speaker 4: there are a few teams that could could rebound pretty quickly.

1915
01:28:15,560 --> 01:28:17,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a fun draft. It's a fun list to

1916
01:28:17,720 --> 01:28:20,800
Speaker 2: look at. Great mock draft from NFL dot coms Eric

1917
01:28:20,840 --> 01:28:22,519
Speaker 2: at home. Eric, thank you so much for your time today.

1918
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Speaker 2: Greatly appreciate you all right, have a great day.

1919
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Speaker 6: See you all right.

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