1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Hello, Texans, Welcome to Techins All Access, like the man said, 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: And next week we'll be in camp, training camp. We're 3 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: live every morning eight to ten, first ten business days 4 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: of training camp. There will be a quiz on this 5 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: later new location fifty yard line of field one right 6 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: with the fans, and the Sports Radio six to ten 7 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:21,479 Speaker 1: shows will be out there as well, at least the 8 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: first two shows of the day Sean Pendergast and Seth 9 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: Payne six to eight AM, Johnny and I eight to ten, 10 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: then in the loop, and we'll have it all covered 11 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:32,879 Speaker 1: for it. It's going to be so much fun to 12 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: be out there. Well, it's a flashback Friday a bit here. 13 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 1: Let's get into it with Steve McKinney first and Garrett 14 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: Graham later on in the program. Garrett Graham former tight 15 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: end with this team, of course, and Steve McKinney og setter, 16 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 1: the original center for this team, former Indianapolis colt. He 17 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 1: played on the O line there with Peyton Manning when 18 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: he was a young buck. And let's talk about a 19 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: number of things with Steve, including but not limited to 20 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: his time as a guest on Sports Radio six ten 21 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: weekly on the morning program and our buddy Chance McLain 22 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 1: back in the day made this theme song. 23 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 2: Oh I do love that so much. 24 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 3: That's Chance McClain and. 25 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 1: It's Buddy Frank making that theme song back in the 26 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:39,479 Speaker 1: day for Steve mckinnee's weekly appearances. 27 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 2: And let's begin the conversation there. 28 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: Used to do a talk show every week on Sports 29 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: Radio six ten, every Tuesday, right. 30 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 4: Every Tuesday, what seven am to eight am? And then 31 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 4: sometimes I would hang around with you guys. Yes, I 32 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 4: think you used to come in right after after our 33 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 4: show and I would stick around and because I was bored, 34 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 4: I'd have nothing to do, and tuesdays like I just 35 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 4: hang out here and talk play your day off, and 36 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 4: they would ask you, John and Lance would ask you 37 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 4: about what animals you've killed lately, things like that. 38 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 1: Because you see a show like that today, I guess 39 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: you could. 40 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean you could follow Captain Mickey, just go 41 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 5: right after Captain Mickey. 42 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 2: Exactly. 43 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 4: You're really tailored to like a specific audience. You know, 44 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 4: it's not for everybody, but here in Houston. I think 45 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 4: we're not. 46 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: Talking about innocent puppies. We're talking about hunting, right, legal hunting, 47 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: legal hunting. 48 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,679 Speaker 5: Yeah, of course, then he came over to a real 49 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:33,639 Speaker 5: station after that, So yeah, came. 50 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 6: And joined us for a little bit o cheese, you know, 51 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 6: over at the other station. 52 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: You realize we're still at that same station that he 53 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: goes back in the day. 54 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:42,959 Speaker 6: I am kidding. 55 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 5: I want to Since you brought up Tuesday, something very 56 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 5: interesting comes up on this Netflix documentary called Quarterback about 57 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 5: Kirk Cousins. I let get your thoughts. Kirk Cousins, during 58 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 5: the season, quarterback of the team, completely and totally takes 59 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 5: Tuesday off, does z row football stuff. They showed him, 60 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 5: he signed some autographs, he went to the bookstore. He 61 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 5: does absolutely zero on Tuesday. Quarterback of the team, How 62 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 5: did you feel about that? If that was the quarterback 63 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:13,799 Speaker 5: would you would you feel okay with that? I'm curious 64 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 5: to hear from players that played the game, because when 65 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 5: I heard it, I was kind of like, I saw 66 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 5: both sides of it. Really, I'd kind of like to 67 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 5: see him maybe help with the game plan or whatever. 68 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 5: But then again, man, you got to get away from 69 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 5: it for a little bit. You got to you got 70 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 5: to get that mental break. What did you think about that? 71 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 4: Well, I know myself is alignment. It was nice to 72 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 4: have that Tuesday off completely because you do need that 73 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 4: time to recharge your batteries. However, I will say that 74 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 4: as alignment, I would prefer my quarterback to be a 75 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 4: little bit more prepared than I am mentally, you know, 76 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 4: with the game plan going into the game. My job's 77 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 4: a lot easier mentally than what the quarterback has to do. 78 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 4: So I don't know about taking the whole day off. 79 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 4: I mean, does it hurt to watch, you know, an 80 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 4: hour film, an hour and a half. I mean, I 81 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 4: don't think that's asking too much. 82 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 1: Steve McKinney with us, what was because you were a 83 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: cult before you were a Texan, what was it like 84 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: in the early days of Peyton Manning being. 85 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 2: With him, you were on that old line in Indie? 86 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 2: What was that like? 87 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 4: That was pretty cool? I mean a lot of it, 88 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 4: you know, looking back on it, it's a little surreal now. 89 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:19,159 Speaker 4: But he didn't really carry himself like a rookie. Like 90 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 4: he was literally on Tuesdays, not taking the day off. 91 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 4: He was in there game planning with the coaches, you know, 92 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 4: in those meetings, you know, almost to the point where 93 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 4: we would make fun of him relentlessly at times just 94 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 4: for being such a football nerd. It's like, dude, there's 95 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 4: got to be some sort of life after football, Like 96 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 4: this is all you do. But obviously that's what made 97 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 4: him great, you know, and that's what makes you know, 98 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 4: a lot of these quarterbacks in his caliber great. Is 99 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 4: there just complete dedication to the sport of being the 100 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 4: best they can be, which includes being as prepared as 101 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 4: you can be going into the games. 102 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 6: I think about that a lot. 103 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 5: It's the relationships between different people on a football team. 104 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 5: You know, the linebackers got to communicate with the secondary, 105 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 5: they got to communicate with the front. There's certain people 106 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 5: that got to communicate. The one it always comes to 107 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 5: mind as center and quarterback. How important is that relationship 108 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 5: on a team to have center and quarterback on the 109 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 5: same page? And how often were you in charge of 110 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 5: making line calls or making it changes? And how often 111 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 5: was the quarterback in charge of everything? And you guys 112 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 5: just had to follow what he was going with. 113 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 4: I would say, like in Indianapolis, Peyton really dictated ninety 114 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 4: percent of the calls the protection and he would change 115 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 4: it a lot. You know, there'd be times, you know, 116 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 4: the center would make a call, you know, call out 117 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 4: the mic or the guy that we're sliding to, and 118 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 4: Peyton would come up and change it. Here with Houston, 119 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 4: it was really more of the center, like I would, 120 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 4: I would have to dictate where the protection was going 121 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 4: to go, and then David or whoever was the quarterback 122 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 4: could change it if they saw a safety walking down 123 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 4: or somebody coming off the edge they didn't like. But 124 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 4: that that was kind of how you know. But the 125 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 4: communication between the center and the quarterback is crucial because 126 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,039 Speaker 4: first of all, it's hard to hear, yeah, and really 127 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 4: the only communication with that front five is your center 128 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 4: directing everybody on that line where we're going, because everybody's 129 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,719 Speaker 4: block is really dictated off of who that Mike linebacker is, 130 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 4: who that will whoever we're sliding to, they have to know. 131 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 4: If they don't know who we're going to, you know, 132 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 4: the pass protection is gonna break down. 133 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 2: Steve McKinny with us. 134 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 1: Steve, what's your recall like of specific wins in the 135 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,919 Speaker 1: early days of the Texans, Because as everyone knows, I 136 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: like to reminisce probably too much, so you tell me. 137 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:38,719 Speaker 1: Obviously Opening Night has to be number one, Yeah, but 138 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:43,119 Speaker 1: is there another one that not comes close? But what's 139 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: second place? Is it at Miami year two, or perhaps 140 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 1: you beat the Giants here year one that was a 141 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: playoff team, you knock them off. You beat Carolina a 142 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 1: year or two here with Tony Banks and they were 143 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: on their way to a Super Bowl appearance. Does anything 144 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: else stand out to you other than Opening Day? 145 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, there's there's a couple of them, actually, and none 146 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 4: of those actually I barely remember some of those. I 147 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 4: remember the Miami went now that you brought it up. 148 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 4: But the one game outside of the Cowboys game that 149 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 4: really always sticks in my mind was the Jacksonville game 150 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 4: we won going for it on fourth and one on 151 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 4: the goal line. 152 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 2: Yep, year two, week four. 153 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 4: I don't even remember what year it was. I just 154 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 4: remember the game and it was fourth and one. Cape 155 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 4: Dom called time out. We go over to the sideline. 156 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 4: I'm thinking we're probably gonna kick it, maybe going to overtime, 157 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 4: and he's like, you don't want to go for it. 158 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 4: We're like, yeah, let's go for it. Sure, and then 159 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 4: they call quarterback sneak and I'm like, holy are you serious? 160 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 4: John Henderson, Marcus Stroud or literally on both my shoulders, 161 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 4: and I'm going, oh, this is this is gonna be me. 162 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 4: I'm either gonna win or lose this game right here. 163 00:07:58,720 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 7: Wow. 164 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 4: And it's so hard because there's a center in that 165 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 4: situation where they're just literally teeing off on you, waiting 166 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 4: for that ball to even just flinch, and they're just 167 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 4: righting on both shoulders. Luckily, I had Zach Wiegert at 168 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 4: right guard, who's you know, big old strong guy. Came 169 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 4: off hard on that play and we got enough movement 170 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 4: to for David to be able to just leap over 171 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 4: and just stretch the ball out over the end zone. 172 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 4: But I mean, I just remember, you know, the contortion 173 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 4: my body was put in. I somehow ended up like 174 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 4: just twist it up underneath the whole pile, you know, 175 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 4: just just trying to drive and get get an inch 176 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 4: basically just not gett knocked back. 177 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 5: And then you're stuck down there, yeah, you know, like 178 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 5: trying you can't move and you're like what is that? 179 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 5: I mean, being down at the bottom of the pile 180 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 5: can be very very interesting, which makes me think, as 181 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 5: you were talking about that, Steve the Super Bowl, the 182 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 5: Eagles in third and short and fourth and short would 183 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 5: get in that rugby for me and everybody in the building, 184 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 5: knows what they're gonna do. We all watch it from 185 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:00,079 Speaker 5: a different perspective. You watch it from that perspective as 186 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 5: being a center, as being that guy. 187 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 2: Was that a play that you loved? 188 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 6: I mean just having that quarterback sneak? 189 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 5: Is that a fun play for offensive lineman because you 190 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 5: also do get to just tee off, but you also 191 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 5: have to make a snap too, and make a clean snap. 192 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 5: But you're kind of watching the Eagles master the quarterback sneak. 193 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 5: So to speak with Jalen Hurts, what are you thinking 194 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 5: as a former center. 195 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 4: I think that that the way they do it nowadays 196 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 4: is almost cheating. You know, to be able to push 197 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 4: the quarterback and all that. You know, that used to 198 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 4: be illegal, and I think it probably should be illegal. 199 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:30,959 Speaker 4: I don't think it's an unfair advantage. I mean, it's 200 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 4: kind of similar to how they took away the rule 201 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 4: where you could push guys on field goals because that 202 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 4: was brutal when you were on field goal. I used 203 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 4: to play left guard when I was an Indie, and 204 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:43,079 Speaker 4: Steve Martin, who was a big old defensive tackle I 205 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 4: actually played here at the Texans for a little while. 206 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:48,079 Speaker 4: In practice, he'd line up right across from me, and 207 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 4: then they would have our big, biggest linebacker pushing him. 208 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 4: So I was just getting like basically just getting teed 209 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 4: off on a crushed every field goal, every extra point. 210 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 4: It sucked, and so I hated it. Now I'm thinking 211 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 4: like this, you know, it's very similar to how we 212 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 4: do these these quarterback sneaks now, where you can just 213 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 4: come up and you can push, you can push the pile, 214 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 4: you can pull, you can So I mean, I don't 215 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 4: see how. 216 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 7: You couldn't get a yard in that situation. 217 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 4: I don't know how defense stops it unless you just 218 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 4: literally just try to take out the center and guard's 219 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 4: legs and let the linebacker jump over the top, because. 220 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 6: It's about the only way that's a. 221 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 7: That's a tough play to stop. 222 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 2: Stee mc kinny joining us. 223 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 1: You were here, you played in Indie in that offense, 224 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: you played in the Chris Palmer offense, and then Kubiak 225 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: gets here. 226 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 8: No. 227 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: Six, what's the difference for a center in that offense? 228 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: Because this team is about to go through a somewhat 229 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: similar transition really with the Bobby Slowick offense, which is Kubiak, Like, 230 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: we don't really know what we're gonna see yet, but 231 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 1: we're imagining it to be that way. What's the difference 232 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 1: for a center in that type of offense, do you well? 233 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:51,959 Speaker 4: I mean, the biggest difference was we didn't run a 234 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 4: lot of man schemes on with Kubiak. You know, it 235 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 4: was it was ninety nine percent zone blocking, left and right, 236 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 4: inside zone, out side zone bootlegs. So it was it 237 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 4: was pretty much just snap, turn and stay on course, 238 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 4: you know, don't don't slow down, don't don't get off 239 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 4: course when you're running the football. And it can be 240 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 4: a very effective philosophy. It works very well, but it 241 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 4: takes all five guys being extremely good at it. It 242 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 4: takes time and practice and and you can remember like 243 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 4: when you know, Kobak came in, I think like the 244 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 4: first year or so, it was a little you know, 245 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 4: a little rough at first, and then they started to 246 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 4: catch their stride and you know, eventually, you know when 247 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 4: what was the running backs name Arian Foster once he 248 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 4: got going, you know, that line that they had at 249 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 4: that time had been doing it for enough time that 250 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 4: you saw what it could be in a run game. So, 251 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 4: I mean, it can be effective, but it's not one 252 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 4: of those offenses you just throw in and then all 253 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 4: of a sudden you're really good at it. 254 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 7: The first year. 255 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 4: It does take time to develop that type of mentality 256 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 4: and just understanding of the philosophy and techniques as an 257 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 4: offensive linement. 258 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 5: There's one thing that goes perfect football. That's I remember 259 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,199 Speaker 5: when you got your first McDonald's. How many McDonalds do 260 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 5: you have now? 261 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 7: Twenty four? 262 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 2: Twenty four? 263 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 7: Twenty four? 264 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 2: Brother? 265 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 7: What? Yeah? 266 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 6: Wow? 267 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:10,559 Speaker 7: Growing? Growing? 268 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:13,319 Speaker 5: Okay, twenty four? I remember you got the first one. 269 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 5: I remember we talked about that. You getting that first one. 270 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 1: You're like, hey, you know see how I go twenty 271 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: four and you had to work there, right, yeah, to 272 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 1: get one. 273 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 7: Oh man, I've done it all. 274 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 3: I did. 275 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 7: I did maintenance, fries and everything. 276 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:26,559 Speaker 5: What's your favorite thing to do? And how much? How 277 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 5: many fries did you eat before they got to the container? 278 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 2: A bad look? 279 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 4: It's it's a real challenge when you first started your food, though, 280 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 4: you do, you do. You always have to do the 281 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 4: quality test, you know, but I would When I first 282 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 4: started in Madisonville was my first location, and I was, 283 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 4: you know, working there seven days a week, all day, 284 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 4: every day. That was my life at that point, And 285 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 4: I was eating as if I was still, you know, 286 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 4: an NFL athlete, but I wasn't training as if. So 287 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 4: I managed to keep my three hundred pound weight. Yeah, 288 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 4: but the composition of that way changed dramatical mass. Yeah, 289 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 4: in the first year. And then it's at some point 290 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 4: I got to a point I'm like, okay, you know, 291 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:08,679 Speaker 4: I have to change my diet. I can't eat French 292 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 4: fries and chicken nuggets every time I get hungry. So 293 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:15,439 Speaker 4: I learned to balance it out and eat more responsibly. 294 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 4: But my favorites are the fries, I mean, the nuggets, 295 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 4: the fries. 296 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 7: You know. 297 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 4: Now these quarter pounders we got, I don't know if 298 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 4: he Muy's tried the homestyle burger, I would put that 299 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 4: homestyle double home style with jalapenos. You put that up 300 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 4: against any sandwich of any fast food place in America. 301 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 2: Interesting, So you got twenty four k. 302 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 5: So we'll go through the thought process of I've got 303 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 5: fifteen of these, let's add another one. 304 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 6: Let's add it up. 305 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 5: How do you keep adding and adding and why? And 306 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 5: how hard is it to manage the more that you've added? 307 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 4: Well, I mean, like with any business, then once you 308 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 4: learn to scale and you figure out how to scale upwards, 309 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 4: it becomes easier. Yeah, so your first two three are 310 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 4: tough because you're really doing everything yourself. And by the 311 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 4: time you hit that fourth or fifth one, now you 312 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 4: have that infrastructure. You're bringing on a supervisor, and then 313 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 4: it just becomes multiplying that as long as you want. 314 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 4: I mean, you can continue to add infrastructure. And you know, 315 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 4: my organization has grown to the point where I, you know, 316 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 4: I have maintenance departments and marketing departments and back office 317 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 4: assistants and everything. 318 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: So yeah, you need a lot of employees for that. 319 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: Steve McKinney with us. So what did you learn in 320 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: football that helps you in management for all your locations? 321 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 4: You know, the probably the biggest thing you learn is 322 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 4: just the leadership because you're dealing with people and you're 323 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 4: just you're learning how to be a part of a team. 324 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 4: But as as a football player, you know, most of 325 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 4: the time you're kind of following, you're kind of a 326 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 4: on the team, right, You're not the head coach. You're 327 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 4: you're trying to be a leader, maybe a leader in 328 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 4: your group, maybe a leader in the team. But ultimately 329 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 4: you're learning how to be a part of a team. 330 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 4: And that's That's basically what I took from the NFL 331 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 4: and from football and apply to in McDonald's is just 332 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 4: is just building team work, you know, making people feel appreciated, 333 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 4: making people feel that, you know, they're worthwhile and what 334 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 4: they do is is worthy of, you know, a good life. 335 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 4: And so we want to we want to continue to 336 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 4: build the brand, but we also want to continue to 337 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 4: build people's families and build their livelihoods and stuff like that. 338 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 4: So at this point in my life and my career, 339 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 4: I mean, that's kind of where I'm at, you know, 340 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 4: I'm just I'm doing it for other people at this point. 341 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 1: Well, I always felt like if you want to find 342 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: a good boss or good manager, maybe you seek out 343 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: a really good fast food manager and a location a 344 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: shift manager or something. 345 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 2: You guys deal with a lot. 346 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: They deal with a lot, and I know you're above 347 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: that now, but they deal with a lot of people 348 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: issues and people not showing up on time. 349 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 2: You speak to that a little bit. 350 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 4: So, I mean, it's got to be one of the 351 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 4: most challenging jobs in the world to be a general 352 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 4: manager at a fast food restaurant, and a good general 353 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 4: manager because they're not all good, right, you know, but 354 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 4: the good ones they are, you know they are. They're 355 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 4: definitely probably more capable, and plenty of the CEO types 356 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 4: and you know, small companies and things like that, they 357 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 4: could easily do those jobs because once they've established themselves 358 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 4: as a really good gym, I mean, they've demonstrated that 359 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 4: they know how to lead, and they know how to 360 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 4: build people. They know how to coach, train whole people. Accountable. 361 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 7: Leading is leading, right, Leading is leading. 362 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 4: Whether it's in football, fast food, or any other type 363 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 4: of business. You either have those leadership skills or you don't. 364 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 6: How are you feeling about your Aggies this year? 365 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 4: I'm feeling pretty positive, honestly. I mean last year was rough, 366 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 4: but I wasn't shocked. I guess I was a little 367 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 4: surprised they lost as me as they did, But I 368 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 4: wasn't shocked because I knew the team they had going 369 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 4: into the season was super talented, but also super young 370 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 4: and haven't been an eighteen year old myself. I knew 371 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 4: that that was not a recipe for a lot of 372 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 4: wins in the SEC, but it is. It is a 373 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 4: recipe for a lot of experience that could lead to 374 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 4: wins this year. They're gonna be super talented. Man. I've 375 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 4: seen that roster. I've seen that team. They got a 376 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 4: ton of talent. Now, a lot of talent is sophomores, 377 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:05,400 Speaker 4: with a little bit of upperclassmen sprinkled in, but it's 378 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 4: still a lot of sophomores. So you could see a 379 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 4: little some really good games, and you know, see some 380 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:15,159 Speaker 4: dips occasionally. But I think the program's on the up 381 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 4: and up. And you know, I think this will be 382 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 4: a really good season, better than last year, and then 383 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 4: hopefully next year if everybody stays around, you know, that's 384 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 4: what college football you got. 385 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 7: Of course, you never know who's going to stick around. 386 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 5: Well, you're gonna get one of your good friends back. 387 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 5: You're going to get to face the University of Texas 388 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 5: in twenty four. That gonna be fun. 389 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 4: That'll be fun. I'm excited about that. I mean, you know, 390 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 4: that was a game as a kid I loved going to, 391 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 4: couldn't wait for. I mean, it was probably the only 392 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 4: game I was looking forward to the whole season. You know, 393 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 4: just the rest of the games was just kind of 394 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 4: an appetizer to get to that game. Yeah, and you know, 395 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 4: I know there's been a lot of discussion about you know, 396 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 4: whether we that game should ever be played again and 397 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 4: whose fault it was that didn't get played. But here 398 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 4: we are, man, the reality is is it's got no time. 399 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:55,879 Speaker 4: We're gonna We're gonna play it. 400 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 1: Steve, from the outside looking in, I mean you're kind 401 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 1: of in the inside. You're Texans leg jens community member 402 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,120 Speaker 1: and all of that. But you've got all the restaurants 403 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 1: to run, You've got a busy life, Steve, Yes, But 404 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:08,479 Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on the twenty twenty three Houston 405 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 1: Texans with Dimico coaching and where they're headed. 406 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 4: I mean, I'm excited, man, This is this is a 407 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:14,479 Speaker 4: fun time to be a Texans fan. I mean, it's 408 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 4: been it's been rough the last couple of years, but 409 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 4: there is just so much energy around the team right 410 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 4: now with Dimico coming in, which I love Dimiko by 411 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:25,640 Speaker 4: the way. You know, we were teammates for a couple 412 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 4: of years, played practice against each other, played together, so 413 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 4: you know, I have all the respect in the world 414 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 4: for him. I know I had no doubt that he'll 415 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 4: do a great job building the culture of a team 416 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 4: that wants to win not just for the city, but 417 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:43,479 Speaker 4: for for each other and for for him. So I 418 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 4: think it. You know, it may take a year or two. 419 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:47,360 Speaker 4: This is not going to be a one year turnaround 420 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 4: type situation. But you give the guy a couple of years. 421 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 4: I promise you it's going to be a program or 422 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 4: a team that we can all be very proud of. 423 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 4: And you know, they I think they put their money 424 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:58,959 Speaker 4: where their mouth is in the draft. You know they 425 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:01,360 Speaker 4: could have there's there's different things they could have done 426 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 4: in the draft, but they they pushed their chips in 427 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 4: the in the middle and said, you know, we're going 428 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 4: all in getting the two best players we can get 429 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 4: on both sides of the ball. And uh, I think 430 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 4: they're both going to be, you know, all stars. 431 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 6: Fun to watch Stroud, no doubt. One last one from me, Steve. 432 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 5: You you played with a rookie quarterback, and I know 433 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:18,679 Speaker 5: all rookie quarterbacks are different. 434 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:20,680 Speaker 6: You know Peyton was different, David. 435 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:24,719 Speaker 5: But what's the biggest thing is a center dealing you know, 436 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 5: and we don't know who the center will be, whether 437 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:28,919 Speaker 5: it's a veteran or a rookie, but as a veteran 438 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,160 Speaker 5: dealing with a rookie quarterback that you kind of gotta 439 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,439 Speaker 5: bring up the speed. What's that kind of experience like, 440 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 5: and what was the experience like for you dealing with 441 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 5: a rookie quarterback behind you? 442 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that was that was kind of interesting 443 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 4: because I was dealing with a rookie quarterback, but I 444 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 4: was also a rookie center. You know, I'd played guard 445 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 4: right for four years before that, never even played center, 446 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:51,119 Speaker 4: so I'm playing center for the first time, and David's 447 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 4: a rookie quarterback. So as you can imagine, that was 448 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 4: you know, it's whoever was there was moments, whoever was 449 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:01,160 Speaker 4: whoever was sitting in the the war room and said, 450 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 4: this would be a great idea. You know, let's put 451 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 4: these two together. But you know, now we had to 452 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 4: up some downs that first year, but you know we 453 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 4: got it. We got it rolling, and we we Me 454 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 4: and David had a good connection, good relationship, and you 455 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 4: know we still communicate. But it'll, uh, it'll be interesting. 456 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 4: And if they do put a rookie center, I think 457 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,400 Speaker 4: we can I think we know what we're gonna get. Yeah, 458 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,920 Speaker 4: it's gonna be some some up and down moments. You 459 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 4: can you can pretty much bank. 460 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: On it, hopefully more up. Steve, thanks a lot for 461 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:29,919 Speaker 1: joining us. We appreciate it. 462 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 7: Hey, thanks guys. 463 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: There's our visit with Steve McKinney coming up. Texan's tight 464 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 1: end extraordinary from back in the day, a tight end 465 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: from Wisconsin. I'm not talking about Owen Daniels. Garrett Graham 466 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: on the program next here. It's Texans All Access. Only 467 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: five days until Texans training camp begins, and we're doing 468 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:52,199 Speaker 1: a little flashback Friday stuff today, including but not limited 469 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 1: to a conversation with Steve McKinney, which we had in 470 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: segment one. If you missed that, you'll have to catch 471 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 1: the show in the podcast format, which will be on 472 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: the way soon enough, trust me. But Garrett Graham good 473 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 1: tight end for this team. Of course, we had Owen 474 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: Daniels back in the day, Joel Dreesen, players like that. 475 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: But Graham was here through two coaching regimes, Gary Kubiak 476 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 1: and part of the Bill O'Brien era and had some 477 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 1: big contributions. And John Harris and I had a chance 478 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: to catch up with the former Wisconsin tight end Garret. 479 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 2: Great to see how you. 480 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 9: Doing doing great? Yeah, great to see you guys. Good 481 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:30,679 Speaker 9: to be back here in the studios is impressive. 482 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 1: Okay, well, thank you very much. You know we're still 483 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 1: decorating here, by the way, so just wait till you 484 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:39,160 Speaker 1: see the finished product. But you've been in Houston ever 485 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: since you've retired, right. 486 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:44,439 Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, we're We moved around a little bit, but 487 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:48,160 Speaker 9: we're in Houston city limits now. 488 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 2: Okay. 489 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 1: And what are you doing with yourself these days? Because 490 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 1: I know I do see you on some golf posts 491 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 1: and I've seen you at some courses from time to time, 492 00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: and I know you're an awesome at golf, Garrett. So 493 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: is it still that way or are you kind of 494 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 1: slacking off a bit in that game? 495 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,719 Speaker 9: Yeah, it's still that way. I'm a golf addict, okay. 496 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 9: And then I have a soon to be three year 497 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 9: old boy who keeps me very busy. And then do 498 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 9: some stuff for the Texan Legends, which is yeah, which 499 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 9: is nice to come back and be involved. And so 500 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 9: I'm gonna go at the training camp next week, bring 501 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:22,440 Speaker 9: my son out there, and should be fun. 502 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 6: It's definitely gonna be fun. 503 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 5: And I know having a son will change yours perspective 504 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 5: maybe a little bit on it, just to kind of 505 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 5: see it through his eyes, which will be kind of fun. 506 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:31,640 Speaker 6: Along those lines. 507 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 5: But Gary, you played in an offense here in Houston 508 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:37,719 Speaker 5: that might have some similarities to what they're doing now. 509 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 5: When you think back to playing in that offense and 510 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:43,679 Speaker 5: playing the position you played, tight end, We talked about this, 511 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,399 Speaker 5: everybody talked about throat. The tityan was so important to 512 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,640 Speaker 5: that particular offense. Do you still think it's that way 513 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 5: that the tight end is that important to this style 514 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 5: of offense. 515 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:54,160 Speaker 6: We'll see how Bobby takes it and where he goes 516 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:54,439 Speaker 6: with it. 517 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 5: But it felt like in that Kubiak offense with you 518 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,120 Speaker 5: and Owen Daniels, you had a couple of tight ends 519 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 5: could get open against anybody could block it. 520 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 6: A lot of scrimmage. They were hugely important. 521 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:03,439 Speaker 3: To the offense. 522 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 6: Do you think it's still that way now? 523 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 3: I think so. 524 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 9: I think it it opens things up for everybody. I 525 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 9: think it the Titians can help out a lot in 526 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 9: the play action game, really sell things, get them moving, 527 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 9: get them motioning. So yeah, I think I think if 528 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 9: they can get them involved, especially in the red zone, 529 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 9: it'll it'll benefit everybody. 530 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: So, yeah, you did play in the Kubiak offense and 531 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,879 Speaker 1: then you played in the O'Brien offense. How was that 532 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 1: adjustment going to what they were running here with Bill O'Brien. 533 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 9: Definitely more up tempo, more formations, moving us around a 534 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 9: lot more. It was definitely more of a cerebral offense. 535 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 9: More more to learn, more time to put in. Less 536 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:52,360 Speaker 9: play action. I'd say less less moving left and right. 537 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 9: But I mean, at the end of the day, it's 538 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 9: football and you're running similar routes, so there's similarities and differences. 539 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 6: Okay. I was thinking about this because and this has 540 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 6: been in my head. So we started the interview a 541 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 6: few minutes ago. 542 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 5: But before we started the interview, Mark said, I want 543 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 5: to talk about I don't know you said his best 544 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 5: catch or your greatest catch, biggest catch, biggas catch, because 545 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,640 Speaker 5: that can go in a lot of different directions. Yes, okay, 546 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:20,159 Speaker 5: and you've made You've made a few in your opinion, Garrett, 547 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 5: what is your best greatest catch you had as a Texan? 548 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 6: I want to see if it's the one that I 549 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 6: came up with. 550 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 9: I think it was the what should have been the 551 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 9: last play in the Cincinnati playoff game. 552 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 1: In twelve, the second Cincinnati Playoffs. Oh yeah, right, yeah, yeah, 553 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: that's it. 554 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 3: It was. It was a play action. 555 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 9: Kind of I ran like a little underroute, kind of 556 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:50,880 Speaker 9: sneak route, and Shabby threw it up there, took a hit, 557 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 9: made the catch. It was a penalty for on sports 558 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 9: my conduct or something. So the clock stopped and should 559 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 9: have ran out, but it didn't, so we had to 560 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 9: run a few more plays. 561 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,400 Speaker 2: Oh that's right, I forgot about that. 562 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 1: Weird You took a big hit and that was a 563 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 1: clock killer, should have been, but it it ended the game. 564 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 2: I mean that was a checkmate kind of catch. 565 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was really important because everything was kind 566 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 1: of hanging on the edge right after the Texans lost 567 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 1: three out of four to end the regular season. You 568 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: play Cincinnati at home, there's a bit of disappointment that 569 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: you didn't get the body. You gotta win this game, 570 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 1: and they're piping hot at that point. It's a year later, 571 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 1: Andy Dalton, year two, and I think there was a 572 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 1: pick six in that game. But you made that big 573 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 1: catch and that was a game ender right there. I 574 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: thought that was huge at the time to get that win. 575 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 6: Okay, I don't disagree with you. 576 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 5: Okay, that was a huge catch in terms of I 577 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:46,159 Speaker 5: think the best catch. 578 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:47,920 Speaker 6: What's the best catch you made? 579 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:50,439 Speaker 5: Because I have one in particular that I know that 580 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,400 Speaker 5: I saw and I was like, I said something bad 581 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 5: in Marx's years. 582 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 9: When I saw you make it, I think, uh, it 583 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 9: was it. Carolina is a touchdown in the back of 584 00:25:58,560 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 9: the end zone. 585 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 6: The back of the end zone twenty fifteen, Carolina. 586 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 5: When it's funny because you've had a lot of success, 587 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 5: like you mentioned, you had success with Kubak kids, success 588 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,879 Speaker 5: with O'Brien. That's the one I remember because I'm standing 589 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 5: in the I'm at the goal on and I see 590 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,679 Speaker 5: you make that. I'm like, I mean, I knew you 591 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,639 Speaker 5: had hands, but you make the one hand in at 592 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 5: the back of the end zone at Carolina like old 593 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 5: And that was Mallet and Mallett was throwing some fastballs. Yeah, 594 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 5: he threw fastballs, So hanging on to one of those, 595 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 5: I thought it was, what's pretty impressive. 596 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was surprised that he threw it. 597 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 9: There are a few guys around, but he put it 598 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 9: up well high where I could get it, and yeah, 599 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 9: that was That was probably my best touchdown catch. 600 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:39,120 Speaker 3: Man. 601 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 1: You've been through some really EBB and flow type seasons, 602 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,640 Speaker 1: right twenty twelve, twelve and four. 603 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 2: We just talked about a playoff win. 604 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 1: Twenty thirteen, win the first two, lose fourteenth Stree O'Brien 605 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 1: comes in. Somehow you carve out a winning season at 606 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 1: the end there with Case Keenum playing quarterback in the 607 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: last couple of games twenty fifteen two live start but 608 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 1: win the division. How do you maintain your poise, your 609 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: composure through all that ebb and flow, all that adversity 610 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 1: and being able to pull out of it. 611 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 9: Uh. 612 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 6: We always had a good locker room when I was here. 613 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:17,199 Speaker 3: I think that helped have the have a good just 614 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:18,360 Speaker 3: level headed guys. 615 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 9: In the locker room. And I was thinking over here 616 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 9: on driving over here that twenty twelve season, it was 617 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:26,639 Speaker 9: like winning. 618 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 3: Was so easy. It was just wow. 619 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,120 Speaker 9: It was just we knew we were winning going into 620 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,879 Speaker 9: every game, and it was the the camaraderie had, the 621 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 9: guys we had. It was an easy season. And then 622 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 9: twenty thirteen it was like the longest season ever. After 623 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:42,640 Speaker 9: those first two games. 624 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 2: Right, everybody got hurt. 625 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,120 Speaker 9: Everybody got hurt. There was a lot going on this year, 626 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,400 Speaker 9: a lot of turnovers, and it was yeah, it does 627 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,399 Speaker 9: it blow your mind that Case is still playing. 628 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 1: I mean you were there for his first games ever, 629 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,920 Speaker 1: his first starts in thirteen. Then when he comes back 630 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: at the end of fourteen and he is still playing, 631 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,360 Speaker 1: he's still a Texan. When he's a Texan again. Anyway, Yeah, 632 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:03,879 Speaker 1: it's wild. 633 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,679 Speaker 9: I saw him a couple of months ago and just 634 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,400 Speaker 9: couldn't believe he was back in town playing for the Texans. 635 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 9: But he's he's that kind of guy that can come in, 636 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 9: learn an offense, knows what he's doing, great leader. So 637 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,440 Speaker 9: in one way I am surprised. In the other I'm 638 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 9: not at all because he's just the true professional. 639 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 5: Gary were talking with Travis earlier and you kind of 640 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:27,680 Speaker 5: brought this up a little bit. Maybe this is your answer. 641 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 5: But the teams that the Texans that you had, like 642 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,879 Speaker 5: you said, twenty twelve was easy. You guys won games 643 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 5: and then obviously you know at the end stubbed your 644 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 5: toe in the playoffs, and the same with eleven and thirteen. 645 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 5: It just goes off a cliff fourteen you start to 646 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 5: bring it back. But on the better teams that you 647 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:44,719 Speaker 5: were on that you look at him and go, man, 648 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 5: that was a really good team. Was there a key 649 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 5: characteristic about that team, whether it was the level of players, 650 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 5: level of coaching, camaraderie, what was it about teams that 651 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 5: you had here that were great. Was there was there 652 00:28:55,680 --> 00:29:00,120 Speaker 5: a common asset or trait amongst those teams? 653 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 3: It was our leadership, you know. 654 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 9: We had We had Matt Schab We had Andre on 655 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 9: offensive side, Chris Myers, Dwayne Brown, Owen on the defensive side, 656 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 9: Demiko Cushing, Connor Barwin, just guys that the coaches didn't 657 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 9: have to police the team. It was done by the team, 658 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,719 Speaker 9: and the coaches knew that, and that's that's how we 659 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 9: went about things. So yeah, I think it was the 660 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 9: leadership and everybody knew we had a really good team 661 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 9: that year, and we did and the team police themselves, 662 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 9: and unfortunately we just came up a couple of games short. 663 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 2: Garret Graham with us. 664 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 1: So you're from New Jersey, right, you played your high 665 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 1: school ball there and you end up at Wisconsin. Did 666 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 1: the Texans have any other players that went to Wisconsin? 667 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 1: Johnny anyway, he went to Wisconsin. What drew you to Wisconsin? 668 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 2: Why? Wisconsin? 669 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 9: Barry Alvarez was still there. He recruited me so kind 670 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 9: of randomly took a trip out there just just to 671 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 9: see it. Didn't think I would end up going there, 672 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 9: and fell in love with Madison. It's a great college town. 673 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 9: Had some of the guys take me around and liked them. 674 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 9: It seemed like a good fit. It was really good school, 675 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 9: and in the Northeast. At that time was kind of 676 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 9: week at football. Rutgers hadn't been to a bowl game, 677 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 9: you know, it was Syracuse, didn't get an offer from 678 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 9: Penn State, so it just kind of just kind of 679 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 9: made sense, and I figured, what the heck after. 680 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 6: Being in New Jersey and playing at Wisconsin. 681 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 5: How much experience had you ever had in Houston or 682 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 5: in Texas at all before you came here to the Texans? 683 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 6: Was Houston completely sight unseen? Never been here before you 684 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 6: got here? 685 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 9: Yeah, I had never been to Houston. I had been 686 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 9: to Dallas for some reason, can't remember why, but had 687 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 9: never been to Houston. 688 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 3: Didn't know what to expect. Thought I'd, you know, be 689 00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 3: a dusty. 690 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 6: Town cowboy, boots and buckles all that. 691 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 9: Yeah, it'd be pretty flat and horses running around everywhere. 692 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 9: But yeah, I had no idea what to expect. 693 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 5: All right, How different was it from what you expected 694 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 5: once you kind of got a chance to be with 695 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:14,719 Speaker 5: the team, see the community and know all that kind 696 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 5: of stuff. 697 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 9: Yeah, it's a great city. That's why we're still here. 698 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 9: We love it here, very different from Wisconsin. But I 699 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 9: think the reason, the major reason we stayed here is 700 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 9: just because it's good people and we love the community here. 701 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 2: Derek Rahm with us. All right, Now for the important questions. 702 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 1: Who is the greatest Texans golfer of all time? 703 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 2: You've played with a lot of them. 704 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 6: He's in dynastis Garrett, So is it you? 705 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,160 Speaker 1: Is it Kevin Walter? Is it Rosenfels? Is it Chris Brown? 706 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 1: Is it somebody else? I think Kami fairbarn is very 707 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 1: good on it with him. Yeah, okay, all. 708 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, it'd be nice to have like a little playoff. 709 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, a serious Now we have the Charity Classic. But 710 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 1: you know what, Garrett, you just brain started the old 711 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 1: Texans Golf tournament. Like who's gonna win? Its invite only 712 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 1: so competitive? Oh I'm doing it, Johnny. 713 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 5: This is it's invite only thirty two former Texans. 714 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 2: Well former and are eligible. 715 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I won't have any prize money you win, like 716 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 1: a gift card to h GB. Right anyway, But does 717 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: Thatcho on the salary cap? I'm not sure anyway, Garrett, 718 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 1: thoughts give me give me two or three of them. 719 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 2: T J. 720 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 3: Yates is pretty good. 721 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:35,959 Speaker 9: Yeah, okay, shop or and Shop Okay. 722 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, both very good players. 723 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 2: But the consistency, Garrett, come on, be honest here. 724 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 9: Leckler doesn't play anymore, I don't think, but he he 725 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 9: was gonna play when he when he did. 726 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 3: Chris Brown was pretty good, right I never played with him? 727 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 2: Okay, all right? Yeah that was before your time, was it? Yes? 728 00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 2: It was? So what about play the case? 729 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 6: Do you to play the case? 730 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 3: Case is very good too, Yeah, I've heard that. 731 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 9: Yeah, I think he's I think he's around scratcher, So yeah, 732 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:07,720 Speaker 9: Kevin's good. 733 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 3: We play quite a bit. 734 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 2: How is your game these days? 735 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 8: Uh? 736 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 9: Pretty solid and one plus two right now? Okay, so 737 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 9: yeah it's been good. Club champion over at Blackhawk Country Club. Okay, 738 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 9: all right, it's champion man. Yeah, it's game solid, pretty 739 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 9: good iron player and putter, so I think that's my strength. 740 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 2: Fix the PGA Tour for me? What are you gonna do? 741 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 1: I'm making you commissioner, so you can you can negate 742 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 1: the deal or make the deal happen with liv What 743 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 1: do you think should happen here? 744 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 2: Garrett? 745 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 9: I would like to see the best players in the 746 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 9: world all on the same tour. Okay, and I hope 747 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 9: they don't roll back the ball. 748 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 2: Oh really yeah? Okay, well see to me for the now. 749 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 1: I'm giving my opinions for the average or slightly above 750 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 1: average golfer, which is me. 751 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 2: I'd like to see it. You know. 752 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 1: I want to hit my drive and be about one 753 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:13,839 Speaker 1: point fifty in right. Yeah, too often I'm not right, 754 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 1: and it's no fun to be one ninety two hundred 755 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,279 Speaker 1: in every once in a while. Fine, but I think 756 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 1: by and large, the slightly above average golfer needs it. 757 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:23,920 Speaker 2: Now, you're gonna tell me to move up a tea box. 758 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 1: Okay, I'll do it. He's playing the tips all day. Yeah, 759 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:31,960 Speaker 1: but anyway, thanks for joining us, Garrett. 760 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 2: We appreciate it. 761 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:33,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for having me. 762 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 1: Oh so much fun to catch up with former Texans 763 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,319 Speaker 1: tight end Garrett Graham. Let's get back to present day 764 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 1: after two Flashback Friday interviews. 765 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 2: And check in with the Tennessee Titans. No better person to. 766 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,840 Speaker 1: Do that with than Jim Wyatt, formerly at the Tennessee 767 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 1: and now with the organization itself, writes for them and 768 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 1: does a terrific job. Deep b City catches up with 769 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 1: him to talk about the addition of DeAndre Hopkins and 770 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,360 Speaker 1: how the Titans might look along with the rest of 771 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 1: the AFC South in three. That's next here on Texans Radio. 772 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,120 Speaker 1: Final segment here on Texans Radio tonight, as we check 773 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 1: in with the Tennessee Titans. Deepcito does her Deep Slamm 774 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,720 Speaker 1: podcast weekly, sometimes. 775 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 2: More than weekly. 776 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 1: She's got one up now with Addi Kinkabwala of CBS 777 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,719 Speaker 1: Sports and also Jim Wyatt, formerly of the Tennessee and 778 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:24,040 Speaker 1: he writes for the Titans organization covers the team in depth. 779 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 2: Let's check in joining me this off season. 780 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,400 Speaker 10: Jim Wyatt, senior writer and editor for Tennessee Titans dot Com. 781 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,239 Speaker 10: I always chat with Jim a couple of times during 782 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,279 Speaker 10: the season, but Jim thought I'd catch up with you. 783 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 10: It's been just been a very boring off season for 784 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 10: the Titans, hasn't it. 785 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 11: Well, certainly a team in transition. It's kind of crazy. 786 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 8: A lot of people, at least the fan base at 787 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,600 Speaker 8: a good part of the offseason talked about this being 788 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,799 Speaker 8: a rebuilding year or a tanke It's year. You know, 789 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:53,759 Speaker 8: I don't in the NFL, you just don't have those 790 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,640 Speaker 8: kind of years. You know, you tell Mike Vrabel you're rebuilding, 791 00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:00,480 Speaker 8: and you probably would punch you in the fame. The 792 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,439 Speaker 8: team was always in it to win. It just a 793 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:04,360 Speaker 8: matter of how. 794 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:04,879 Speaker 11: Good it can be. 795 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:06,920 Speaker 8: And certainly going out and get a guy like DeAndre 796 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,680 Speaker 8: Hopkins makes you a better team, makes you more relevant 797 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,320 Speaker 8: in the league, and we'll just see how it goes. 798 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,640 Speaker 8: Team's going to look different this year, a lot of 799 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 8: changes at a lot of positions, a lot of work 800 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,520 Speaker 8: to be done, but getting a guy like Hopkins makes 801 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 8: it more exciting and we'll just see how he can 802 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,880 Speaker 8: do and how this team is able to build at 803 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:28,200 Speaker 8: other positions as well. 804 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:30,839 Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm certainly going to get into DeAndre Hopkins with you, 805 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,880 Speaker 10: guy we're really familiar with here in Houston. But you know, 806 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,080 Speaker 10: you brought up a good point, and it was the 807 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 10: question I was going to ask you first, is where 808 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,239 Speaker 10: do you think the Titans are right now? Because you're right, 809 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,960 Speaker 10: it's not quite a rebuild, but you know, they do 810 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,360 Speaker 10: have a new GM. They drafted a young quarterback. What 811 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 10: his role might look like really no one knows just yet. 812 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:51,560 Speaker 10: But you know, what can you tell us about what 813 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 10: Mike Rabel's vision is here? Now for his sixth year 814 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:55,920 Speaker 10: of coaching there in Tennessee. 815 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:57,400 Speaker 11: Yeah, and it is different. 816 00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 8: I mean the off season started off, I mean certainly 817 00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 8: having the look of this being a team in transition, 818 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,160 Speaker 8: because I'm gonna look at my list of free agent 819 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,319 Speaker 8: two or let go taylor one obviously one of them 820 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,080 Speaker 8: Ben Jones, and the other one two guys that have 821 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,320 Speaker 8: been around here a while. You let go of Bud Dupre, 822 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,120 Speaker 8: you let go of Zach Cunningham, Robert Woods, Randy Bullock. 823 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,600 Speaker 8: All those happened early in the offseason, and a lot 824 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:21,359 Speaker 8: of fans were like, what are we doing. We're just 825 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 8: you know, getting rid of our big time, big name players. 826 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,040 Speaker 8: The reality is a lot of these guys getting up 827 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 8: there in the years, they had big cap pits, some 828 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,160 Speaker 8: of them dealt with injuries in the past. I think 829 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,040 Speaker 8: this team was moving on from a lot of players, 830 00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,279 Speaker 8: no matter what the plan was moving forward. When you 831 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,239 Speaker 8: have a new GM like the Titans have here and 832 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,760 Speaker 8: Ran Carthon who replaced John Robinson into the last seedon, 833 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,239 Speaker 8: he's gonna want to do things his way. 834 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:45,600 Speaker 11: So you made some moves there. 835 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,359 Speaker 8: Then you go out and you start signing players, which 836 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,520 Speaker 8: is what this team did guys like Andre Dillard, diziz 837 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:57,920 Speaker 8: Al Shayer, arden Key, Daniel Brunskill, Sean Murphy, Bunting, Luke Giffer. 838 00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:59,120 Speaker 11: I mean, some of these guys. 839 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:02,120 Speaker 8: Had had role and other teams that were maybe not 840 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,000 Speaker 8: as big as they're going to have now. And that's, 841 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,680 Speaker 8: you know, kind of where this team is is given young, 842 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,960 Speaker 8: hungry guys a chance to do more, and then at 843 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:16,400 Speaker 8: the same time, you know, trying to draft for the future. 844 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,480 Speaker 8: The Levis pick came as a surprise to some people, 845 00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:21,279 Speaker 8: especially people. 846 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,000 Speaker 11: Who thought after the first round they wouldn't go there. 847 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,160 Speaker 11: I think that's obviously a move for the future. We'll 848 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:27,160 Speaker 11: see how that pans out. 849 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,120 Speaker 8: At the same time, you try to get Malik Willis 850 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:33,440 Speaker 8: to continue on a path forward where he can be 851 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:37,200 Speaker 8: around here in transition at a number of positions. But 852 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,600 Speaker 8: I still think this is a team that's going to 853 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,840 Speaker 8: have a chance to compete for the AFC South. That's 854 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,760 Speaker 8: I think every team in this division's best path into 855 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,040 Speaker 8: the postseason. And uh, and we'll just kind of see 856 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:53,440 Speaker 8: how things go as as waiting for some younger. 857 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:54,000 Speaker 11: Guys to develop. 858 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,480 Speaker 10: DeAndre Hopkins obviously the big news just heading into camp, 859 00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,920 Speaker 10: and you know, I have to say Texans fans are 860 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,240 Speaker 10: probably not too excited to see him in an opposing 861 00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,879 Speaker 10: uniform twice a year. But you know, you lose AJ 862 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,000 Speaker 10: Brown last year. Obviously the Titans struggled at wide receiver. 863 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,839 Speaker 10: What are the expectations do you think for a guy 864 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,080 Speaker 10: like Hopkins coming off of injuries and now he's in 865 00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,239 Speaker 10: year eleven? Is he expected to fill that role? Where 866 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,320 Speaker 10: do you think that he might fit in that offense? 867 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,320 Speaker 11: I think he's going to have a chance to really 868 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,080 Speaker 11: make an impact. You know that. 869 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,200 Speaker 8: It's crazy some of the guys who have rolled through 870 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,279 Speaker 8: here like in their careers. You know, Andre Johnson, a 871 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,040 Speaker 8: guy that you know, Technans fans are familiar with. Randy 872 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,520 Speaker 8: Moss rolled through here at the end of his career. 873 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:38,279 Speaker 8: Julio Jones did I mean got some Pro Bowlers, not 874 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,560 Speaker 8: Pro Bowlers, but Hall of famers that have played in 875 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:44,880 Speaker 8: their careers, but things didn't necessarily pan out very well. 876 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:48,480 Speaker 8: I think when the Titans signed DeAndre Hopkins, I think 877 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,560 Speaker 8: some of the fan base and I think some nationally think, oh, 878 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:53,759 Speaker 8: here we go again. You know, here the Titans go 879 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,280 Speaker 8: again and get the guy at the end of his career. 880 00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:01,520 Speaker 8: It's going to be it's gonna be another disappointing I 881 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,319 Speaker 8: don't necessarily think that's the case. I don't think the 882 00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,440 Speaker 8: Titans feel that's the case. They wouldn't have brought him 883 00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,360 Speaker 8: in here if they felt that way. Mike Gravel wouldn't 884 00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,759 Speaker 8: have done it. Ran Carthon wouldn't have done it. I 885 00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,520 Speaker 8: think the team feels like DeAndre Hopkins has some good 886 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,719 Speaker 8: years left in him, and he proved that last year 887 00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,239 Speaker 8: when he was when he did play, I don't think 888 00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:23,320 Speaker 8: he had the same type trajectory that maybe Julio Jones 889 00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,319 Speaker 8: did when he joined here a couple of years ago. 890 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,560 Speaker 8: So I think dere Hopkins is going to be expected 891 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,400 Speaker 8: to play a big role for this team this fall, 892 00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:35,120 Speaker 8: and his presence should make everybody better. That's Traylon Burkes, 893 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,760 Speaker 8: who's going to be in a second year, That's Kyle Phillips, 894 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:39,880 Speaker 8: the other guy in the second year. I think that 895 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,080 Speaker 8: is going to help Derrick Henry, it's going to help 896 00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:46,399 Speaker 8: Ryan Tannehill, and it's going to give us give defenses 897 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,520 Speaker 8: another big guy to prepare for him to worry about 898 00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:50,600 Speaker 8: going into Sundaes. 899 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,680 Speaker 10: Well, what about Roberto was because on the other side 900 00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:55,799 Speaker 10: of the coin, the Texans. They signed a veteran wide 901 00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,480 Speaker 10: receiver that the Titans are very familiar with. What do 902 00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:02,480 Speaker 10: you think Texans can expect from a guy like Robert Woods, 903 00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,759 Speaker 10: especially they've got some young receivers of their own in 904 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,560 Speaker 10: that receiver room. But you know, what did you like 905 00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:08,719 Speaker 10: about his play when he was with Tennessee and where 906 00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:10,760 Speaker 10: do you think he really adds the most on the field. 907 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,480 Speaker 8: Well, I really like Robert Woods, a great guy. I 908 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,480 Speaker 8: remember meeting him first time. He came here in here 909 00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:19,040 Speaker 8: with his family and his little girl who's who's just 910 00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,560 Speaker 8: a baby at the time, and I think he, uh, 911 00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:26,839 Speaker 8: he arrived here with high expectations come even coming off 912 00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:30,279 Speaker 8: an ACL injury. I think he did everything right. I mean, 913 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:34,720 Speaker 8: he was a great leader. He guided the young guys 914 00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,760 Speaker 8: in the room, tried to help them be better pros. 915 00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:41,640 Speaker 8: And I think he wanted to do more here and unfortunately, 916 00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:45,560 Speaker 8: you know, things didn't paint out that way, in part 917 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:49,280 Speaker 8: because you know, the team starting quarterback and Ryan Tannehill, 918 00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,680 Speaker 8: you know, missed more time than he had at any 919 00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:54,480 Speaker 8: time when he was here because he dealt with an 920 00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:58,080 Speaker 8: ankle injury. So Robert Woods is trying to play with 921 00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,480 Speaker 8: with young quarterbacks who just couldn't get him the ball, 922 00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,920 Speaker 8: you know, in Malik Willison, quarterback that really just couldn't 923 00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,000 Speaker 8: get comfortable and get him the ball. The Titans had 924 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,399 Speaker 8: all kinds of trouble and the offensive line last year, 925 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,560 Speaker 8: you know, so the offense had some limitations on what 926 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,200 Speaker 8: it can do. And I think Robert was he always 927 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,920 Speaker 8: handled himself like a pro, but I think he was 928 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:22,480 Speaker 8: frustrated by the way things went here, and I think 929 00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,080 Speaker 8: he has more left in his game, and if he's 930 00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,920 Speaker 8: given an opportunity, I think he'll prove that he's a 931 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:31,279 Speaker 8: great route runner, he's a willing blocker. I mentioned what 932 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,480 Speaker 8: a great teammate he was here in Tennessee. Is the 933 00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,680 Speaker 8: same way with the Rams, same way with the Bills. 934 00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:41,000 Speaker 8: So I think the Techans should be considering themselves fortunate 935 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,760 Speaker 8: to have a guy like that. And I hope things 936 00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,320 Speaker 8: go well for him because I think he deserved better 937 00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:48,239 Speaker 8: than he probably what he got here. 938 00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,160 Speaker 1: All right, there's DP City with Jim Wyatt, who covers 939 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:52,320 Speaker 1: the Tennessee Titans. 940 00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:54,080 Speaker 2: Of course, it's been a great show. 941 00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,960 Speaker 1: Garrett Graham, Steve McKinney looking forward to Monday's program when 942 00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:01,000 Speaker 1: Andre Johnson will be on it six pm. 943 00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:02,920 Speaker 2: Don't miss it. Have a great weekend. 944 00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,080 Speaker 1: Check out all the podcasts on Houston Texans dot com, 945 00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:09,120 Speaker 1: the Texans App, Spotify, iTunes, wherever you get podcasts. 946 00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,640 Speaker 2: Have a great weekend, Go Texans.