Speaker 1: So I misspoke. I stand corrected. I talked about something
Speaker 1: last week about a guy named Dave Portnoy. He's very irreverent,
Speaker 1: very unapologetic, very in your face, really definitely unsolicited opinions
Speaker 1: and clickbit like shock, like a you know, designed to shock.
Speaker 1: As Howard Stern has evolved into his phase of life
Speaker 1: of talking to Seth Myers or Bradley Cooper or Jennifer
Speaker 1: Aniston or Sarah Jessica Parker, Dave Portnoy is like in
Speaker 1: a in a direction that even Howard Stern wasn't in
Speaker 1: with like this this like real like oh tell us,
Speaker 1: like female anti female culture. So I know him as
Speaker 1: I mentioned to you, and he's been on this podcast,
Speaker 1: and I texted him at one o'clock in the morning,
Speaker 1: which he had to mention on his podcast the timing
Speaker 1: as if it was sort of charged or nuanced. But
Speaker 1: at one o'clock in the morning, I got home from
Speaker 1: taking my daughter to a place an hour and a
Speaker 1: half away in Southington, Connecticut, where this restaurant is completely
Speaker 1: filled with lights, And while I was there, I got
Speaker 1: some texts and messages saying, did you know that this
Speaker 1: guy Dave Portnoy called Rachel from Van der Pumper Rules
Speaker 1: a trash bag, and I think you should say something,
Speaker 1: even if you do it privately. So it's interesting that
Speaker 1: this ended up coming to pass because they said even
Speaker 1: if you do it privately. So I privately said do
Speaker 1: you know her? Because I thought if he knows her,
Speaker 1: then what the hell you know? Then he has his
Speaker 1: own opinion, and he said something and he said he
Speaker 1: didn't know her, only what he's seen on TV, and
Speaker 1: that she gave up a dog from a shelter and
Speaker 1: that it's a good thing. He's not in the you know,
Speaker 1: in the business of caring what other people think, because
Speaker 1: I had said it's my opinion that he should apologize.
Speaker 1: So then I did a podcast talking about the fact
Speaker 1: that he broke up with his girlfriend. She's a TikTok star.
Speaker 1: She's a pretty young girl who has a good engagement
Speaker 1: and like talks about beauty and now breakups and she
Speaker 1: just seems like a nice girl. And he did not
Speaker 1: speak poorly of her in talking about their breakup on
Speaker 1: his podcast, and he did reference the story with me,
Speaker 1: and he did. I thought that he hadn't doubled down
Speaker 1: and called Rachel a trash back bag this account, you
Speaker 1: know what, pointed out that he in fact did not
Speaker 1: only double down, but triple down because he called her
Speaker 1: a trash bag a couple of times, and then he
Speaker 1: said he talked about the situation with me, but I
Speaker 1: had only seen clips online. I hadn't listened to the
Speaker 1: whole podcast, so because I don't listen to the podcast,
Speaker 1: and I thought it was a random shot that he fired,
Speaker 1: just calling her trash bag based on how she was
Speaker 1: quote unquote portrayed and a produced, edited, alcohol fueled, infidelity
Speaker 1: fueled show, and so on his show, his co host
Speaker 1: Brianna called her called Rachel a scumbag. I was later
Speaker 1: told that she kind of always says that she's said
Speaker 1: on other podcasts that she's never been faithful to a
Speaker 1: boyfriend or I'm paraphrasing or something about infidelity. That's a
Speaker 1: but Brianna called Rachel a trash bag, and like, why
Speaker 1: do I care? I'm thinking about that, And Dave said, like,
Speaker 1: know your audience and about me. You know, who the
Speaker 1: fuck do you think you are? Or who the fuck
Speaker 1: does she think she is? And so I wasn't going
Speaker 1: to respond to it because I don't need to add
Speaker 1: fuel to his fire, and I presume that his shock
Speaker 1: nature is designed for clickbait. And because I thought that
Speaker 1: I sort of foe knew him that just texting him
Speaker 1: in a very respectful way and then being very respectful
Speaker 1: about him on this podcast, that it wouldn't mean that
Speaker 1: he would go to the mattresses, and not because I'm
Speaker 1: afraid to throw down with anyone, because I'm not unlike him.
Speaker 1: I'm unafraid. I just don't go to a place where
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be nasty and just fire random shots. And
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say about Dave Portner, who the
Speaker 1: fuck does he think he is, because it's just it's
Speaker 1: that intelligent way of communicating, just to call someone a
Speaker 1: trash bag, and then who the fuck does this person
Speaker 1: think they are? You're not really communicating, You're just sort
Speaker 1: of throwing out, you know, shocking things that you're saying,
Speaker 1: so then someone might be provoked or write about it,
Speaker 1: or someone might say something mean back to you. And
Speaker 1: that's what goes on now with politics. It's just a
Speaker 1: lot of abuse. And so it was interesting to me
Speaker 1: because Dave mischaracterized my text to him by saying that,
Speaker 1: and I said that he owed her an apology. And
Speaker 1: I'm very particular about my words because I never said
Speaker 1: to Dave by text or in any other way, and
Speaker 1: I won't read the text because I have a code
Speaker 1: about reading other people's texts specifically or showing or screen grabbing.
Speaker 1: But I did not say, you guys know no matter what,
Speaker 1: I know what I say and I mean what I say.
Speaker 1: I say what I mean, and I know what I said.
Speaker 1: I've been doing that for years on television. I said,
Speaker 1: it is my opinion that you should apologize. And he
Speaker 1: said on his show that I said, you owe her
Speaker 1: an apology, and I'll fucking owe her anything. I didn't
Speaker 1: say he owed her an apology. Also, he said that
Speaker 1: he's not one to give unsolicited advice, you know, And
Speaker 1: he reached out to me when I did a story
Speaker 1: with Business Insider and I loved the story or talked
Speaker 1: to one of their reporters, I think it was, and
Speaker 1: he reached out to me to basically give me his
Speaker 1: unsolicited opinion that the guy at the magazine was an
Speaker 1: asshole and did a hit piece on him. And for
Speaker 1: those of you who don't know, Dave Portnoy had a
Speaker 1: big piece on him in Business Insider about being either
Speaker 1: sexually degrading or demoralizing or abusive to women. And he
Speaker 1: really every day did these emergency press conferences talking about it.
Speaker 1: And then he I think, then I know went after
Speaker 1: Business Insider legally, and he recently dropped his lawsuit against them,
Speaker 1: So that was a big thing. And that's also like
Speaker 1: a lot of public and clickbait, and you know, it
Speaker 1: was written about a lot. And so what I struggle with, though,
Speaker 1: is a man who himself has claimed to have been
Speaker 1: mischaracterized and portrayed in a negative light by a journalist
Speaker 1: and by a publication, so by the media, by a
Speaker 1: medium of form of communicating to the public about someone.
Speaker 1: We get that every day. We see it on social media,
Speaker 1: we see it in the press, we see it on
Speaker 1: the news the way we're being communicated to, and we
Speaker 1: see it on reality TV, something that is designed to
Speaker 1: be put out there, to be marketed, to be digested
Speaker 1: by the American public. And vander Prompt Rules was the
Speaker 1: highest rated show they've probably ever seen and a phenomenon,
Speaker 1: and the show was going to be canceled, and these
Speaker 1: ratings revitalized a show that had been coasting and gave
Speaker 1: it a whole new life. Of course, if you want
Speaker 1: to rate, you have to inflate. You've got to I mean,
Speaker 1: I've been in the process, and as I told Dave,
Speaker 1: I'm an expert on this topic. Matt pounding my chest,
Speaker 1: I didn't invent reality TV. I've done more than ten
Speaker 1: reality shows. I know. I've produced them, I've pitched them,
Speaker 1: I've been edited by them. I know how the machine works.
Speaker 1: And Rachel herself will tell her own story about the dog.
Speaker 1: And Rachel herself is a person who's taken three months
Speaker 1: at a mental health facility, who, as Dave characterizes the
Speaker 1: entire reality show process. Isn't this something people sign up
Speaker 1: for for money and fame and to capitalize or to
Speaker 1: market your business. Thank you, Bethony Frankel. But yes, maybe
Speaker 1: let's just say that it is to sign up for
Speaker 1: just for fame and money. Rachel has not signed up
Speaker 1: for fame and money. Now, she did not go back
Speaker 1: to the show. She did not sign up again. She
Speaker 1: could have made a lot of money, and she's walking
Speaker 1: the walk. She went to a mental health facility, did
Speaker 1: not go take take take the bag of money, did
Speaker 1: not go take the bag of Fame's been really discreet
Speaker 1: and really low key and has barely been seen, So
Speaker 1: to judge somebody based on the way a show portrays
Speaker 1: them is unfair, especially coming from someone who claims to
Speaker 1: have been unfairly discussed communicated about by business Insider. So
Speaker 1: I just found that interesting. And another thing that I
Speaker 1: found interesting is that you know, college kids, high school boys,
Speaker 1: people into sports, the bro culture, that's who follows Dave Portnoy.
Speaker 1: You know, like it's like the jackass crowd, right, that's
Speaker 1: a big crowd. That's a money making crowd. That's a
Speaker 1: money paying crowd, and they just like edgy and they
Speaker 1: take risks and a lot of them are a bunch
Speaker 1: of fucking idiots, to be honest, and it's the idiot
Speaker 1: bro culture. Great, go take your check. But when you know,
Speaker 1: Dave said, why I'm not apologizing. I'm not supposed to
Speaker 1: apologize for call her what millions of people called her.
Speaker 1: If I said the things that millions of people say
Speaker 1: on social media about somebody that's a public figure, it
Speaker 1: would be insane. Like he's supposed to be some version
Speaker 1: of a role model, And he could say I don't
Speaker 1: want that responsibility. But he knows that when he talks
Speaker 1: people listen Dave Portnoy, a forty six year old man,
Speaker 1: calling a twenty nine year old girl a trash bag,
Speaker 1: basically normalizes, commends, and makes it okay for all of
Speaker 1: his followers to call women trash bags for their actions.
Speaker 1: Somebody does something wrong at college. A girl has sex
Speaker 1: with too many guys at college because she was drunk
Speaker 1: and insecure, or that's the model she saw at home
Speaker 1: from her mother, or she cheats on her boyfriend, or
Speaker 1: she's going through something emotional at home. So this girl
Speaker 1: does something that she regrets in college, so the guys
Speaker 1: at that school should call her a trash bag. High
Speaker 1: school girl loses her virginity too earlier, she's known to
Speaker 1: get with a lot of guys. By Dave Portnoy's logic,
Speaker 1: everybody in high school should call that girl a trash
Speaker 1: bag because she made mistakes, because she did something wrong,
Speaker 1: because she's quote unquote a slutter, or you know, and
Speaker 1: believe me, I've said things I regret on television. I
Speaker 1: said one thing I regret on television because it wasn't
Speaker 1: necessary and it's not necessary to do it, and it's
Speaker 1: not necessary to condone it. But to say that you're
Speaker 1: unapologetic because millions of people have called somebody who was
Speaker 1: edited and produced on a show that you're not apologizing
Speaker 1: about that. It just it's sad. It's sad, and it's
Speaker 1: sad that a person that I reached out to to
Speaker 1: kind of know and you know, be a friend in
Speaker 1: the biz to just go publicly and like say, who
Speaker 1: the fuck does Bethany Frankel thinks she is? Bethany Frankel
Speaker 1: thinks she's a woman who has a philanthropic effort, is
Speaker 1: a mother, had the fastest growing liquor brand in history,
Speaker 1: turned a brand, was on the cover of Forbes magazine.
Speaker 1: I've got my own bag of Benjamin's, I got my
Speaker 1: own homes, I got my own businesses, I got my
Speaker 1: own you know, billionaire friends, just like Dave Portnoy probably does.
Speaker 1: And I have my own female following, and none of
Speaker 1: them think it's okay for a man to call a
Speaker 1: woman a trash bag. So for Brianna, the girl sitting
Speaker 1: next to Dave, for her to come in and fire
Speaker 1: a double random shot, because she's probably got young girls
Speaker 1: looking up to her, Neither Dave nor Brihanna should be
Speaker 1: condoning calling a woman a trash bag. At any time
Speaker 1: or in twenty twenty three, or calling anyone that for
Speaker 1: that matter. So it continues to perplex me and the
Speaker 1: people that Dave and I know in common, some of
Speaker 1: them are some pretty high profile, powerful people that he
Speaker 1: mentioned to me by text and that he was nervous
Speaker 1: about them disliking him. He didn't like that they disliked him.
Speaker 1: He said it caused a lot of problems because he
Speaker 1: has gone to war with some pretty major people. These
Speaker 1: people are really close friends of mine. In fact, I'm
Speaker 1: going to their house for dinner tonight, and they texted
Speaker 1: me to say, like, you know, fuck that guy because
Speaker 1: that's not a great guy and we want nothing to
Speaker 1: do with him. So they they read about it. They
Speaker 1: heard about it, and they didn't like it. So I
Speaker 1: don't know why he would play the short game, but
Speaker 1: he's short