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Speaker 1: Well, look who's here. We are ready for a free

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Speaker 1: agency recap with DeMarco, far Mauricio and drum Jblong back

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Speaker 1: with a fresh new edition between the Horns as always

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Speaker 1: presented by your Southern California Toyota dealers. Great to get

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Speaker 1: the band back together. Yes, sir, we've chatted behind the scenes,

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Speaker 1: but we haven't had a full sit down since a

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Speaker 1: lot of good things went down. But how's your spring been?

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Speaker 2: It's my spring has been awesome. I got a chance

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Speaker 2: to get kind of getting a routine a little bit, uh,

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Speaker 2: loving all the trades, loving all the moves the NFL

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Speaker 2: has done since the the first day, because there was

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Speaker 2: some stuff that happened before the first day in that

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Speaker 2: window that you know, we don't We're probably.

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Speaker 1: Not gonna talk about great legal tamper in this show.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. I mean, my guy Max Crosby goes

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Speaker 2: to Baltimore then ends up back in Vegas all while

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Speaker 2: they've gotten better. So it was good to see that.

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Speaker 2: But no, it's been awesome. I've been I've been enjoying

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Speaker 2: my time. How about you know?

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Speaker 3: Fit recharge ready to go? Turn the page got over.

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Speaker 3: It took a while after the Super Bowl. I'm sure

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Speaker 3: we all felt the same thing watching that game, like, wow,

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Speaker 3: imagine if you got over the hump in Seattle, so

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Speaker 3: recharge and then, like you said, just going into free

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Speaker 3: So yeah, energize, ready to go. Good to see you guys,

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Speaker 3: and let's get started.

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Speaker 1: Wasn't it you who kind of coined the phrase, like

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Speaker 1: the window is now Sean mcvay's window, Like we used

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Speaker 1: it became Matthew Stafford's time at some point last year.

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Speaker 1: You kind of shifted that for us, and you're like, no, no,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, let me. I was going to attach an dendum.

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Speaker 4: I'm glad you did that.

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Speaker 3: It is the Sean McVay era, but it's being fed

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Speaker 3: by Less snead, and I think we all do this

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Speaker 3: in the NFL. Everyone looks for a cookie cutter way

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Speaker 3: deal out one of the highest salaries ever at that position.

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Speaker 3: So it is the McVeigh window, but it's definitely being

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think after you watched last season, you're kind

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Speaker 2: It'd be like half a second, they'd get a sack

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Speaker 2: You can't just have a running free and the quarterback

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Speaker 1: Let's dig into some of that, how you think it

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Speaker 1: impacts Chris Shula's scheme and a few other dimensions as

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Speaker 1: we go through this episode. But like biggest picture possible,

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Speaker 1: I wonder, as former players, what your perspective is on

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Speaker 1: we're now working for covering an organization that sets a

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Speaker 1: Like that plan doesn't always come to fruition the way

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Speaker 1: We all know this from this show in our audience.

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Speaker 3: So any decision you make that centers or puts him

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Speaker 3: Every team is trying to get to this point. But

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 2: The Rams continue to lose coaches year after year after year,

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Speaker 1: There's a caution not to get drunk off free agency though, right,

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Speaker 1: because a lot of times the dollars spent in free

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Speaker 3: Well, I'd never agonized over a question on this show

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Speaker 3: That's how good this team is, and that's how filled

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Speaker 2: It's just different and it opens up so many different

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Speaker 2: They got a guy that could cover guys. Right, you

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Speaker 2: This is what the Chiefs have done with their different

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Speaker 4: If we go back to a guy that can travel.

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Speaker 3: Well, I do know this about Spags from way back

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Speaker 4: There's an easy carryover. You fit.

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Speaker 3: You know, you know exactly what it is is getting

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Speaker 1: What about the cost twenty nine and three additional picks,

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Speaker 1: It's not my money they're spending. I'm good.

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Speaker 2: That's what If you believe he's If you believe these

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Speaker 2: Somebody has to cover Jason. My guy is still open.

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Speaker 2: Uh, try to go to Brazil.

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Speaker 2: That's all it was. Yeah, I did. I double back

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Speaker 2: You attack protections right And to me, what I thought

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Speaker 1: We know, the leap that the Rams need to make

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Speaker 3: Man, we've been doing this a while together and just

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Speaker 2: But it's about really putting you can't waste another day,

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Speaker 2: and I wouldn't be surprised that they do.

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Speaker 1: More then I look at a team as like almost

436
00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:35,840
Speaker 1: sliders on an audio board, like offense, defense, special teams.

437
00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:37,960
Speaker 1: Your offense was all the way at the top. Oh yeah,

438
00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:39,920
Speaker 1: can you lead the league in scoring again? Yeah? Maybe

439
00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,560
Speaker 1: is your quarterback going to win MVP again? Maybe odds

440
00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:44,400
Speaker 1: are against it, right, but say you go one to five,

441
00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:47,080
Speaker 1: you're still in great shape there. Defense you can you

442
00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:48,920
Speaker 1: can enter the top ten, if not the top five.

443
00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:51,240
Speaker 1: With the moves you've made. Special teams, you gotta go

444
00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:55,520
Speaker 1: from thirty whatever they were, top ten have to and

445
00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:58,720
Speaker 1: if you do, that's going to impact winning. And it's

446
00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:00,320
Speaker 1: also not lost on me. I think you're kind of

447
00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,360
Speaker 1: touching on this a little bit, improving the back end

448
00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:05,679
Speaker 1: of your roster with an eye towards special teams. This

449
00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,560
Speaker 1: is a franchise that used to draft on Day three.

450
00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:11,240
Speaker 1: You know, the Nick Scotts of the world, who are

451
00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:14,320
Speaker 1: going to be dedicated core special teamers. Next thing you know,

452
00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:17,040
Speaker 1: they're helping you win a Super Bowl by blowing depot sema.

453
00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:20,959
Speaker 1: But it started. He was a guy Day one special

454
00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,480
Speaker 1: teams and you look at round seven, they've got three

455
00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:26,359
Speaker 1: picks at the end of round seven. Maybe that's fuel

456
00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:29,440
Speaker 1: for a fire to move up somewhere. Maybe that's just hey,

457
00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,879
Speaker 1: a head start on college free agency. Maybe those are

458
00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:36,080
Speaker 1: luxury picks where it's like we're going to fill in

459
00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:38,159
Speaker 1: gun or we're gonna fill like we're going to have

460
00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:41,400
Speaker 1: an eye towards Bubba's first Special Teams unit.

461
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Speaker 2: I will tell you it's hard when you have and

462
00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,240
Speaker 2: no disrespect to our receivers. They do an awesome job

463
00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:49,000
Speaker 2: and they compete, but it's hard to have your gunners

464
00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,679
Speaker 2: as receivers. Your gunners have to be able to Those

465
00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,520
Speaker 2: should be dbs, These should be safeties, corners, guys that

466
00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,440
Speaker 2: can go down and make plays, that tackle for a living.

467
00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:01,359
Speaker 2: Receivers don't do that. Xavier Smith doesn't tackle for a living, right,

468
00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:05,000
Speaker 2: And so as much as we love their contribution into

469
00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,200
Speaker 2: the special teams, you're just asking guys to do something

470
00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:10,640
Speaker 2: they normally don't do right like Xaber Smith has played

471
00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:12,399
Speaker 2: receiver his whole life, you know what I mean. And

472
00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:13,800
Speaker 2: then we get to the NFL. I want you to

473
00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:15,639
Speaker 2: tackle a guy now. I want to go down here

474
00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:17,760
Speaker 2: and tackle like he's done an awesome job. That's just

475
00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:19,320
Speaker 2: not what in his nature what he does.

476
00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,520
Speaker 1: Which, by the way, he's back, and I'm glad he's back.

477
00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:25,720
Speaker 1: He deserves to be back, no question. He made a

478
00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,280
Speaker 1: gruesome mistake at the end of last season and that

479
00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:30,120
Speaker 1: hurt all of us. It broke my heart for him.

480
00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,080
Speaker 1: Oh but he did a great job last year and

481
00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:36,600
Speaker 1: he impacted the receiver room as well. So I'm glad

482
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:37,080
Speaker 1: that they signed.

483
00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:39,320
Speaker 2: It was the guy we had who is the guy

484
00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,639
Speaker 2: that we Rochelle remember him, Robert Well, he was a

485
00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:44,960
Speaker 2: gunner that would go down and like like those were like,

486
00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:46,720
Speaker 2: those are the guys that you're looking for in that

487
00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:49,159
Speaker 2: third day, Guys.

488
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:53,919
Speaker 3: Like that long Sea yeah yeah yeah, or you get tackle,

489
00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,800
Speaker 3: get one of those receiver and name only guys like

490
00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:58,800
Speaker 3: you're only a receiver because that's where we put you.

491
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Speaker 4: But your job is to go oh yeah yeah eighty

492
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:01,960
Speaker 4: eight as a gunner.

493
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:03,879
Speaker 2: But that makes every time we had a guy like

494
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,239
Speaker 2: that in Jacksonville who played where he played everything. They

495
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,639
Speaker 2: tried to put him a linebacker, running back, safety, bro

496
00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:12,640
Speaker 2: you're just playing specialty right right and scores right yeah,

497
00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 2: because he's not that guy.

498
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Speaker 1: If you find the next Matthew Slater in this draft.

499
00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,920
Speaker 2: Liars, yes, that's another one. I was gonna. I was gonna.

500
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:20,720
Speaker 2: I just try to stay away from my guy. But

501
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:22,160
Speaker 2: we need one of those for sure.

502
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,800
Speaker 1: You mentioned the coaching staff turnover year over year. It's

503
00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:28,280
Speaker 1: it's a problem. The RAMS have really become a dept

504
00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 1: at solving four. Among the news items, Nate Shieldhouse replacing

505
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,440
Speaker 1: Mike Lafleur now the head coach of the Arizona Cardinals.

506
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,560
Speaker 1: Jimmy Lake was the connection to McDuffie that you touched on.

507
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:44,399
Speaker 1: Now the pass game coordinator and defensive back coach Cliff Kingsbury.

508
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 1: We haven't talked about. What do you make of that move?

509
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 2: Help your boy out. Come on over here, let's let's

510
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:54,040
Speaker 2: get together, let's put some ideas together. But uh, you

511
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:58,440
Speaker 2: know this is the RAMS rehabilitation for coaches facility as well.

512
00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:02,160
Speaker 2: I'm over here, get rehab. We'll get you back on track.

513
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:03,920
Speaker 2: We'll let you go do your thing wherever you want

514
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:04,440
Speaker 2: to go next.

515
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,880
Speaker 1: Robert Woods on the coaching STAF love it that me too,

516
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 1: love it? Yes, Allen to love it?

517
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:15,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I love. What I love about that is

518
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 2: it's so different here again, I keep talking about the

519
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 2: ecosystem here. How many former players you know, got got

520
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 2: a chance to get on with the team that they

521
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 2: do same team that doesn't happen that way. And for

522
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 2: Sean to give a guy all you want. You don't

523
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 2: know what you're it's done, and I'll tell you. And

524
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 2: I know. DeMarco said the same thing. Transitioning from football

525
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:38,160
Speaker 2: to the real world is crazy because you realize there's

526
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 2: twenty four hours in a day. Yeah, like, majority of

527
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 2: my days, sixteen of those we're gonna do it was football.

528
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 2: Eight was sleep. Pretty much like you get a little

529
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 2: bit of family here and there, but majority of the

530
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:48,680
Speaker 2: time you're working on your craft. You're thinking about your game.

531
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:50,440
Speaker 2: When you retire, you don't have to think about it.

532
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,920
Speaker 2: It's twenty four hours in a day, right, And so

533
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 2: you're like, what am I going to do? I have

534
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,200
Speaker 2: nothing to do, I have no schedule, I have nothing

535
00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,919
Speaker 2: going on. And for Sean to recognize that and say, here,

536
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 2: you want to coach, you have an interesting coaching. I

537
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 2: don't know how that conversation happened. If you want to hear,

538
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 2: come on, we'll bring you on here. Keep you you're

539
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,440
Speaker 2: right here at home, you live right here. You could

540
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,880
Speaker 2: help us get our guys better. You brought the physicality

541
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:13,639
Speaker 2: to our the reason our receivers blocked the way they

542
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,399
Speaker 2: are because of you, right, we want that all to

543
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 2: come this way. I mean, it's full circle and it's

544
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 2: a special moment. But like I said, there's not many

545
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 2: teams like that that do that.

546
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 1: Not many you use the word gives, and I know

547
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,440
Speaker 1: you didn't mean it this way, but I think Sean

548
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,159
Speaker 1: was very careful to say these are earned opportunities and

549
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 1: these guys come in with their eyes wide open in

550
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,120
Speaker 1: terms of that transition from playing to coaching, in terms

551
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,399
Speaker 1: of what it takes to deliver at the standard that

552
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:39,160
Speaker 1: the Rams have set.

553
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 4: What's the first thing you think of when you say

554
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 4: Robert Woods, what's the first thing that comes to mind?

555
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 1: The touchdown against the Texas, the.

556
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 2: Post, the one in New York.

557
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 4: Out to the house.

558
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 2: I mean, how many times or how many times he

559
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 2: leading down Cooper Cup, he breaks at tackle, he.

560
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 1: Blocks his name and sharpye on what we're t shirts,

561
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,879
Speaker 1: all his pads and the embrace when the confetti's fallen.

562
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 4: See welcome, Yes, yes, sir.

563
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 1: Like institutional core memories. Well that's not bad to have

564
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:09,639
Speaker 1: in the buildings.

565
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 4: This is what I love about coaching. Not only can

566
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 4: he tell you, he can show you.

567
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he can absolutely show you what he needs

568
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,439
Speaker 3: from you and then compete with you at the same time.

569
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 2: As a player too. The other thing is you can

570
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 2: put on tape of him doing showing exactly yeah, like

571
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 2: he did this, m HM right now he's here to

572
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 2: coach you.

573
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 4: To help you do that.

574
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Speaker 1: One other thing on Cliff, like, as more and more

575
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 1: of this tree permeates the league, you got to stay

576
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 1: ahead in terms of the evolution. And I don't know

577
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 1: what ingredient he's going to be, but I like the

578
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 1: fact that even when you bring your MVP quarterback back

579
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 1: and two of his favorite targets in his entire tight

580
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 1: end room, maybe there's something there. Maybe it's scheme, maybe

581
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: it's screen game. Whatever the next layer is that's going

582
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: to differentiate the twenty six rams from the twenty five,

583
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 1: So that defensive coordinators around the league who are spending

584
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 1: all of these days and months trying to figure out

585
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 1: how to stop the best offense in the National Football

586
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 1: League might have a counter punch ready to go, not

587
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,400
Speaker 1: might will have a counter.

588
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 2: I think the one thing I love about Cliff Kingbergy

589
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,120
Speaker 2: his offense that he ran. They used the heck out

590
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 2: of screens. They were They will screen you to death.

591
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 2: They will throw a bubble screen, a wide receiver screen,

592
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 2: a running back screen, a tight end screen, because in

593
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 2: his mind. I haven't spoken to him, but it looks

594
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 2: like he counts it as a running game. Right, It's like, oh,

595
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 2: this is a run play for us. It's a way

596
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 2: to get the ball in the perimeter and get the

597
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 2: ball outside. And who's your biggest running your biggest ball carrier.

598
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 2: Imagine Puka catching five more screens in a game.

599
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can imagine that.

600
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not going to be Stafford RPO.

601
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,920
Speaker 4: So no, well it could be.

602
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 1: We were were going to jump the draft next, but

603
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like, uh, let's stay in the

604
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 1: pipeline and just talk NFC West real quick and get

605
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 1: reaction to how the competition has changed. All right, pick

606
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: a team or do you want to start Seahawks real quick?

607
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,199
Speaker 2: Yeah it's an arms race, Yeah it is. It's an

608
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 2: arms race now in this divisions.

609
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,679
Speaker 1: I think maybe the three best teams in the NFC,

610
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:14,919
Speaker 1: Like you take the top three and you plug him

611
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: into any AFC division, and I think they're the favorite

612
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: in the NFC. Right, yes, Okay, the Seahawks coming off

613
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl and losing some pieces, I think did

614
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 1: as well as they could. Why don't we start there?

615
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know who's the runner going to be?

616
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 4: I would have charbone.

617
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 2: No, he's coming away. Yeah, he drafting.

618
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 1: I could see that.

619
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,880
Speaker 3: Drafting a guy going after it. But I mean, look,

620
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 3: you know, when you win a Super Bowl, you lose

621
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 3: half your football team and everybody has their head.

622
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: Their roster are so good and so young, they didn't

623
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 1: they didn't have to make the do you pay? Do

624
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: you pay your guys for performance on task?

625
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 3: Already they did a pretty good job of keeping that

626
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:58,360
Speaker 3: group together. So, yeah, Seattle is going to be everything

627
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 3: they were this past season, maybe even better.

628
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,959
Speaker 2: I don't know. And I'll say this, you lost a lot, right.

629
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 2: We've never seen Seattle lose a coach and have to

630
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 2: bounce back and multiple coaches at that, right, And that's

631
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 2: the one thing I will say they and then there

632
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 2: was yeah, so if you lose your oc he took

633
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 2: half his staff with him. You brought the guy from

634
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 2: the Niners up. We don't know how he is calling plays? Right?

635
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:29,400
Speaker 2: The old line coach Dennison did an amazing job. Amazing

636
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 2: job with that. How is that gonna fair? Now? With

637
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,400
Speaker 2: that coach not being there, right, he did it great

638
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,679
Speaker 2: with two years he was there and or no, one year, right,

639
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 2: he was one year he was there and like that

640
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 2: Offen the line looked completely different. So that to me

641
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 2: is they did a great job of keeping things, but

642
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 2: they lost a lot and then you don't know if

643
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 2: you don't know who your running back is going to be.

644
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 2: That team was based off of the running game.

645
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 1: See if they continue to draft as well as they

646
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: have in recent years, the Niners are the one that

647
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: bothered bothered.

648
00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 2: Me, oh, no question.

649
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: I mean they were already a team that was one

650
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: home win away and week E team from being the

651
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: one seed. Right now, they get a third place schedule,

652
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 1: Osen Warner back, they get Mike Evans on on one

653
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: and fifteen. Basically, that's annoying. Christian kirk Drake green Law

654
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: will see the OsO diggi zoo one really bothers me?

655
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 4: Good? Inn'ty?

656
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: Yeah that's a problem for a third Okay, so you

657
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: get you get interior pass rush. Yeah, for a third

658
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: for a team that's already a Super Bowl ready, you

659
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: thought should be more or what anybody, oh could anybody

660
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 1: in the AFC have paid that? Please?

661
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 4: Maybe?

662
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 3: I mean here's the thing, like with with Puno's arrival

663
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 3: here and how much he changed the defense. I'm not

664
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 3: going to go that far, but he's another tree stump

665
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 3: in the middle of the football field that you got

666
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 3: to deal with, that you got to dig out. He's

667
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 3: a problem, and he's a dude that also can straighten

668
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 3: out and get after you.

669
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 1: For a defense that had to get more stout right

670
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: up the spine. They put him in, they get Fred back.

671
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, the different Yeah, I didn't even Drake green Law

672
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 2: is going to be a problem regardless whatever him in

673
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 2: that system. Listen to him talk about Denver and how

674
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 2: I was there and how complicated the defense was. We

675
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 2: talked about thinking all this thinking you.

676
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: Just an extra year away from bad injury.

677
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 2: You just run, you just run and hit over there.

678
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 2: And then you got the double as of Raheem Morris

679
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 2: who doubles back right. So you you that's more than

680
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 2: the players. I've always said this, and I make sure

681
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 2: i'll say it again. I hate when we play former

682
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 2: Rams coaches. I hate it because you have so much

683
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 2: information on how the Rams practice, what Sean likes to

684
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 2: do in certain situations, what he might be thinking, what

685
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 2: he might be thinking all these things like that. To me,

686
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 2: I just hate that. But that's why.

687
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 1: And I tied it into Cliff Kingsbury. That's part of it.

688
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: That's one component of it. But you look at the

689
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 1: mid season pivot the Rams made to the two and

690
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 1: three tight end sets, like that's a better example of Hey,

691
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: the more Raheem morris is that are out there, the

692
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: more that are very familiar with your your pre snap operation,

693
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: your tendencies, you're down in distances, So the self scouting

694
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 1: becomes I think one of the biggest tasks of any

695
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: RAMS off season because you've now got nine years of

696
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: amazing sample size with multiple quarterbacksp and some of it's

697
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: personnel driven, Like the biggest thing about getting Devonte Adams

698
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: is yeah, third down and unlocking the red zone. But

699
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: it allows you to be a completely different offense in

700
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,239
Speaker 1: some of those money downs and distances than you had

701
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: been previously because of your personnel. And we'll get to

702
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: in a second, but maybe there's an opportunity to do

703
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: that again this offseason.

704
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just just like Raheem Morris going to the

705
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 2: I love Raheem Morris, great guy, but it's just this

706
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 2: gives me the panther vibes. It's just like list like,

707
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 2: it's like, what are we doing?

708
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 3: Why?

709
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 2: Like you could just came back home and kicked it.

710
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 2: What are we doing?

711
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: I know this wasn't directly Raheem's doing, but the way

712
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: that last April went, I know that loss in Atlanta

713
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: was paying full but to have Terrence Ferguson and an

714
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: extra first round pick that parlayed into Trent McDuffie, We're

715
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: all good with rahem Wore always.

716
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 2: You're solid with that point.

717
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: All right, I'll take he can continue to give us

718
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 1: all the fits he wants. On Sunday, I.

719
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 2: Will say I think Mike Evans is gonna be a problem.

720
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 4: Oh yes, it's already.

721
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 2: It's gonna be an issue.

722
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: What a monster on inbreaking routes? Kyle Kyle Shannon doesn't

723
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: know what to do with that.

724
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 2: I think. I just think in the red zone they're

725
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 2: just gonna throw fades to him. I think that's gonna

726
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 2: be an issue. And then defensively, yeah, INTI your pass rush.

727
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 4: There's another one. It is like, so, who what are

728
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 4: we doing?

729
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 2: Who we like? Who are you going to double team

730
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 2: in this situation? You got Bosa Like it's gonna be

731
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 2: that's gonna be a I'm hoping at this point you

732
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 2: don't have to, but you're gonna have to.

733
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, And the Cardinals are probably gonna have a new

734
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: starting quarterback. Yeah in twenty twenty seven. Yes, yes, all right,

735
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: we'll go light on the draft because we'll be back

736
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: for plenty of the Horn draft content here. But let

737
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: me just ask this big picture.

738
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 3: We see the end of the Kyler Murray era. I

739
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 3: guess I did, but it's weird. It's like, remember when

740
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 3: it started, and now it's going to change again.

741
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 2: I thought it would be perfect in this system. Oh

742
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 2: my gosh. If you're o Segos Arizona to me bootlegs

743
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 2: run game Kyler, he knows.

744
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 4: I keep telling people Keyler is scary.

745
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. Happy he's out of here, But me me too.

746
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 2: He's gone. I don't see Kyler coming in this draft

747
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 2: anytime soon.

748
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: Do the Rams pick at thirteen?

749
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 4: Yes?

750
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: You think they end up picking at thirteen?

751
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 4: Yes?

752
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 1: The NFL Draft, I think the most likely scenario is

753
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 1: they take the cast.

754
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 3: To be I think you know what, there may be

755
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 3: some enticing players around that thirteenth pick that that I

756
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 3: think you might want to get in on what like

757
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 3: what player what?

758
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 4: Maybe receiver?

759
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny you say that we talked about this

760
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 2: and before Yeah, I didn't think receiver would be a possibility,

761
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 2: but after seeing kind of what you did and you've

762
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 2: done in free agency, receivers definitely like high up on

763
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 2: the list as someone.

764
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 1: Let's say, pass catcher past catcher. Yeah, okay, I see

765
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: you think you think thirteen is U is your.

766
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 2: Thin I think Arizona State's there and that that may

767
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 2: be an issue, right.

768
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: But I'm saying, okay, you got seven total. Here's where

769
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: I'm here's my calcul You've got seven total picks. I

770
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: think of your fifty three man roster, maybe forty five,

771
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: forty six, forty seven helmets are pretty much locked in.

772
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 1: I think two or three more of those have to

773
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 1: be offensive linemen that you need names for between now

774
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,879
Speaker 1: and kickoff, maybe a third quarterback. All that to say

775
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: you have more picks than helmets available, I think so

776
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: if you wanted to continue to go up and be aggressive,

777
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: we know they've tried in previous drafts. If there's a

778
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: future all pro within reach, could you go above thirteen?

779
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 2: Sure?

780
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 1: I think so too. That being said, having addressed just

781
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 1: about every on paper need. Could you sit and pick

782
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: at thirteen and have your choice of a lot of

783
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: really good options? Yes, so many that you might try

784
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: and recoup some of that draft capital that you've already used. Like,

785
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,800
Speaker 1: is the difference between picking at thirteen or sixteen or

786
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: seventeen or eighteen that that different? I don't know.

787
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 2: I have to I have to dive back in this

788
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 2: college thing. I'll be picking up.

789
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 4: Well, so here's you dropped down ten spots.

790
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,959
Speaker 1: Thought, do you go lineman or so To the extent

791
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: that the Rams still have air quote needs, I would

792
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: probably list offensive line depth has to have starting upside.

793
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 1: Of course, pass catchers and corners. I would like if

794
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: if your favorite corner fell to thirteen or even say

795
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: eleven or twelve, I'd be fine with that, Or trading

796
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: back and you still get a great corner at eighteen

797
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,399
Speaker 1: nineteen twenty, I'd be great with that. But I think

798
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: in those ranges you might be able to find your

799
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: next Rob Havenstein. You might be able to find a

800
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: pass catcher that will help you backfill some of the

801
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: ones that you're gonna lose or have to pay real soon.

802
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would. I'm just thinking about it's hard for

803
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 2: me to look in the few I'm thinking about next year,

804
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 2: like the Niners twice, Seattle twice. Those are gonna be problems.

805
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 2: How do we win those guys?

806
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 4: What can help you now?

807
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 2: Yeah? What can help me today? Like to me, it's

808
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:34,720
Speaker 2: having a third receiver that is going to be like, okay,

809
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 2: when this guy comes in, maybe DeVante takes a rest,

810
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 2: this guy comes in, Now it's him and Pooka. How

811
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 2: are you gonna handle this?

812
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 1: But can I think I know you're thinking, but I

813
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 1: would argue that a backup offensive lineman who has first

814
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,240
Speaker 1: year starting potential isn't is a similar answer to that question.

815
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 1: Because the Rams lost both offensive tackles at one point

816
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: last season. Thank goodness Warren mc clennon was there waiting.

817
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: Otherwise you would been in a world to hurt and

818
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: the one game where you didn't have Alaric Jackson. Yeah,

819
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: that almost costs you a chance to chase a championship too.

820
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: So if you can find with Warren entering a contract year,

821
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 1: if you can find again a tackle of the future

822
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: or a tackle who has guard and tackle backup flex,

823
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: I think that is an asset that keeps you on

824
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: track to maximize staffer's window.

825
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 2: I agree with that too. I'll never be upset with

826
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 2: drafting big men.

827
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 3: No, it's it's either way, either protecting him or giving

828
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 3: him somebody to throw to. But it's all I'm with you.

829
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 3: You definitely need to restock, especially a tackle. It's time

830
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 3: to fill out that a little bit more, just to

831
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 3: protect yourself there. But I mean like, if you've got

832
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 3: one of these talented pass catchers, regardless of position, staring

833
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 3: you in the face, it would be hard to say no.

834
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 3: Or if you have a top flight pass rusher, would

835
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 3: be we need to say no.

836
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: But one of the most recent champions taught us about

837
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 1: the current NFL Eagles and Sea how you can ever

838
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: have enough pass rush.

839
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 2: Ever, yes, they got guys.

840
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 3: If there's another guy that's staring you in the face,

841
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 3: that gets there in a hurry, that slips and he's there,

842
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 3: I could see that too, and it all makes you

843
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,280
Speaker 3: better because remember what you have in your secondary.

844
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: Now, let me ask you about your your receiver pass

845
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,839
Speaker 1: catcher appetite, of which I have a similar one. Does

846
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 1: the fact that the Rams have been able to produce

847
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: all pros, Triple Crown winners, Super Bowl MVPs like fund

848
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,919
Speaker 1: from from later days, dissuade you at all from taking

849
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: a first round.

850
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 2: Yea, because I want to see what you do with that?

851
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 4: What do you do with that?

852
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 2: What do you do with that?

853
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 4: Exactly?

854
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 2: It's like it's like, hey, I've seen you cook with

855
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 2: like like fork and a knife, Like, let me get

856
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 2: you some real and see what you can make. Maybe

857
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 2: maybe we maybe we may make a change.

858
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, here's this electric knife.

859
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 2: Exactly with that exactly, Yeah, I want to see what

860
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 2: they do with a like the top notch like ready

861
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 2: to go?

862
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: Guy, Okay, Well, next time we talk, I want some

863
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 1: conviction from you about whether there is someone of that caliber.

864
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 2: I will let you. I'm gonna make it. Get a phone,

865
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go do this.

866
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 1: You know, all right, I do want to close this

867
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: show with some goodbyes. We're not going yet, but you

868
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: know I've mentioned his name here a couple of times.

869
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: Rob Havenstein. I want to talk a bit about d

870
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 1: Will Kobe Durant Tu two out. While some of the

871
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: other rams that we've really enjoyed being around have won

872
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: a lot of games here in Los Angeles that I

873
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: think deserve a little carve out let's start with Rob Havenstein.

874
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 1: I mean, there were a couple of years that I

875
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: thought were pro Bowl worthy. Never got the recognition outside

876
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: of this facility that he deserved. But again, to put

877
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 1: this in perspective, if you could find the next Rob

878
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: Havenstein somewhere this April, that would be a massive win

879
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: in terms of your organizational stability.

880
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:47,839
Speaker 2: I just thought, I mean, came over with the team

881
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 2: from Saint Louis and has been a staple.

882
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 5: Right.

883
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 2: There's been times where he's been banged up, but the

884
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 2: leadership that he's shown, uh, you know, sometimes leadership is serving.

885
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 2: When Andrew Whitworth came, he took a back step and

886
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 2: let Whitworth be the leader and kind of went that way.

887
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 2: And then when he was going step back into that

888
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 2: role and to me that was that's huge. And then

889
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,760
Speaker 2: on top of the play, he was just a road grader.

890
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 2: He was moving guys left and right and then still

891
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 2: had the ability to hold guys off. I mean, the

892
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,399
Speaker 2: reason that Rahms won the Super Bowl was partly because

893
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,280
Speaker 2: of what he was able to do against the Tampa

894
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 2: Bay Buccaneers and what he'd do it the Bucks. Who

895
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 2: he played It was the Bucks, right, I want to say,

896
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 2: because Whitworth got banged up in the bucks. And but anyways,

897
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 2: he showed up huge and big moments. So congrats to him.

898
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 2: Enjoy retirement. It's worth it.

899
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, just watching him grow and he's another

900
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 3: offensive lineman from Planet Wookie.

901
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 4: The dude is huge. And to see him change his

902
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:48,879
Speaker 4: body type, I guess three times over.

903
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 3: Came in big Wisconsin dude, then he narrowed down, got lean,

904
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 3: and then he kind of filled out into that Whitworth type.

905
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 3: He just picked up as you know, he picked up

906
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 3: more and more experience as he went along and just

907
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,359
Speaker 3: made himself into a great player. Was always a good player,

908
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 3: made himself into a great player. Just to see him

909
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 3: never break character. He's tough as nails. And then to

910
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 3: like you say, quietly assume that leadership role and and

911
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 3: just be like the beacon of what the old line

912
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 3: stands for and this is how we do things and

913
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 3: passed it on to the next group. So I thought

914
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 3: that was awesome. Yeah, he's gonna be missed just seeing

915
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 3: big rob he was. If I was the head coach,

916
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 3: he'd be the first or second guy have get off

917
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 3: the bus.

918
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 4: How big he is. Yeah, and make sure you take

919
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 4: your shirt off the same way. Yeah, big dude.

920
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 1: When you combine storyline, narrative, arc and performance, Darius Williams

921
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: is one of my favorite RAMS during our time together.

922
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,959
Speaker 1: I have just always enjoyed watching him play and knowing

923
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 1: how he got to the National Football League, and then

924
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: two stints with the Rams I think makes the story

925
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:51,359
Speaker 1: that much richer.

926
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 2: I just go back to Seattle during COVID the pick

927
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 2: six like change everything, and and there's multiple times that

928
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 2: he's made plays and the a late PBu or interception

929
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 2: that kind of changed the game against the Niners right

930
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 2: overthrow by Party, He's right there to pick the ball off.

931
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,320
Speaker 2: He was always where he was supposed to be. You

932
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 2: could trust that he was going to be where he

933
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 2: needed to be. And so then he went to Jacksonville,

934
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 2: which was awesome a Jacksonville kid. I mean, I got

935
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 2: a chance to speak with him, so, you know, it's

936
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 2: always tough to see the good ones go. He was

937
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 2: a guy that I thought came and gave RAMS some quality,

938
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 2: quality reps in some big moments.

939
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: Speaking of the Jacksonville twist, the dots don't completely connect,

940
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: but let's not let the truth get in the way

941
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,879
Speaker 1: of a good story because in Ram's lore, d Will

942
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 1: going to Jacksonville was always part of the calculus that

943
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: helped them get Pukinakua. Right, like that comp formula d

944
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: Will's departure being willing to separate from those incredible years,

945
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 1: one of which they led the league in defense. Right,

946
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: him going to Jacksonville gave them the capital that eventually

947
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: led to rafting Pukakua and then they got d you

948
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 1: Will back. So Kobe Durant only gets a one year

949
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,959
Speaker 1: deal with the Cowboys, but a half a dozen picks

950
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: last year with special playoffs. The land Shark, good luck man.

951
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, he just if you're Dallas, you guys, I don't

952
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 2: know if you play Seattle or not. If you do,

953
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 2: he's gonna pick off Sam Dartle. He's going to be

954
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 2: right where he needs to be, like with like Sam

955
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 2: was going to throw him the ball and so uh.

956
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 2: But you know what I loved about Kobe Durant was

957
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 2: it was like, he's not supposed to be where where

958
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 2: where that ball is, and for whatever reason, he's right there.

959
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 2: The pick against Chicago, the first one, He's no, there's

960
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 2: no one supposed to be there on that overthrow he's

961
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 2: right there, right, and so it's just I mean, he

962
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 2: did an awesome job. Again, another guy that just showed up.

963
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 2: I remember being on the I remember missing the Denver

964
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 2: game because I got stuck in uh Over, in on

965
00:43:57,719 --> 00:43:59,879
Speaker 2: the East coast with the ice storm and the picks

966
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 2: he had against Denver to kind of send them on

967
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 2: their way here at so far. I forget what year was,

968
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 2: but you missed the Christmas game. I missed the Christmas

969
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,320
Speaker 2: game because I did I had to do NFL Network

970
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 2: in Pittsburgh, and yeah, so I was on the plane

971
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 2: watching and he does his thing so always always around

972
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 2: the ball.

973
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of Marcus Peters in there, right. Yeah,

974
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 3: you kind of show up where the ball is. That's

975
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 3: just instincts. But just real quick about d you will.

976
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 3: It's like we've all taught our kids to ride bikes.

977
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 3: And I remember when they put him out there for

978
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 3: the first time, like, can this dude actually do it?

979
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 2: Yeah?

980
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 3: That was pretty good. Let's see it again, you know what.

981
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 3: He's actually pretty damn good. He became a starter. Actually,

982
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,919
Speaker 3: he's the best guy we got in the secondary. Yeah,

983
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 3: and then you hate to see him leave. And then

984
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 3: when he came back he brought nothing but leadership to

985
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 3: the secondary. But Durant too, good luck in Dallas. I

986
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 3: thought he's I think there's the the best is yet

987
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 3: to come for him with corners and certain guys in football,

988
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 3: like a Kellow Weatherspoon.

989
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 4: Just for a half second, you see what he looked

990
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 4: like when the light came on. He was different. Same

991
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 4: with Kobe Durant.

992
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 3: I think there's nothing you can throw throw at him

993
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 3: that he doesn't know now, so all he can and

994
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 3: do is improve depending on the team he's on. So

995
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 3: good luck there. But uh, with that being said, you

996
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,879
Speaker 3: definitely upgraded that position. So as long as you work

997
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 3: as hard as the same guys that came before you,

998
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 3: because that's the one thing about that secondary group.

999
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 4: They worked hard. They brought it every single game.

1000
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 2: Uh.

1001
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 3: If you give them more talent and they work just

1002
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 3: as hard than the results should be that much better.

1003
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 3: But great example by d Will, great example by Rob Havenstein.

1004
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:32,760
Speaker 3: I mean they left a great legacy.

1005
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 1: All right, We'll let you get back to your brackets

1006
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:36,879
Speaker 1: and your we've been.

1007
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 2: Talking about to two out. Well, mister always open. I'm

1008
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 2: sad to see him go. I really am JB. How

1009
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 2: many times did he come in, we.

1010
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 4: All said, I'm the fire over here.

1011
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 2: I don't know people understand how hard it is. I

1012
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 2: did it one time in my career and I was like,

1013
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 2: that's kind of why I retired. We were playing in

1014
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:53,919
Speaker 2: Demmers with the Raiders. I didn't play all game. They're

1015
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 2: like going there in the fourth quarter and play and

1016
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 2: I was like, bro, these this these legs don't work

1017
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 2: like that, Like I gotta and I went out there

1018
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 2: and I got destroyed to see him come off the

1019
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 2: to come off the bench in the divisional game against

1020
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 2: the Eagles, it catch like a twenty yard comeback and

1021
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 2: just continued to show up in just little moments here

1022
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 2: or there without getting the all the reps that that's special.

1023
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 2: And so you're going to Miami where you're gonna get

1024
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 2: the chance to be the guy they let there. They're

1025
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 2: trading every but it's a it's a it's a garage

1026
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 2: sell in Miami. So you get a chance to go

1027
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 2: and be a guy that's gonna be exciting.

1028
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: It kind of reminds me of where I started whereby

1029
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 1: I love the intention that this organization sets every off

1030
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: season and the way they go after it. It doesn't

1031
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: always work out perfectly. I remember that off season the

1032
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: intention was to get faster, it felt like, right. So

1033
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: it wasn't just too two in the draft, but it

1034
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 1: was to Shaun Jackson, too right. And look did that

1035
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 1: go swimmingly? Not always, but like they had they had

1036
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 1: cast a vision for what they needed to do that

1037
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 1: off season, and did they ever go after it again

1038
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:55,919
Speaker 1: here at a different position group, on a different side

1039
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 1: of the ball. You can see what they meant to

1040
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 1: do in February and March, and I'm saying it's mission accomplished.

1041
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 1: But they executed. Good start, they executed, and now it's

1042
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: up to the players and coaches to make it right.

1043
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 2: All right.

1044
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: What's on the horizon, getting Stafford sorted out, figuring out

1045
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 1: who Stafford's backup is going to be, and then maybe

1046
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 1: some some extensions for that class of twenty twenty three

1047
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: led by Pokinakua.

1048
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 2: There's a lot of money going to be out there.

1049
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 2: I can't wait to see it. He earned it, no question,

1050
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:23,479
Speaker 2: he earned it, yes, sir.

1051
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: Fun time, fun time of life, I'm sure right, having

1052
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 1: gone through.

1053
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 2: It as a Oh man, what I remember like it

1054
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 2: was yesterday? All right?

1055
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 1: Well, pause there, good to knock some rust Off. Good

1056
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 1: to get DeMarco Farr and MJD back together. We will

1057
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: of course have pre draft coverage coming to minutes, coming around,

1058
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 1: rapidly approaching it.

1059
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm terrified of what. Oh it's new, Come on listen.

1060
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 2: I want to go back to December where things were

1061
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 2: just starting to you know, get things going and we

1062
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 2: knew there was there. And January though, those that was

1063
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 2: good times.

1064
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 1: Have a great March, Madness, enjoy your NCAA tournament watching

1065
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 1: and all the other things you're going to do this weekend.

1066
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: For MJD and to Marco Farr, I'm JB. Long talk

1067
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:10,880
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