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Speaker 1: Hi. I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.

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Speaker 1: We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship and

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Speaker 1: what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling.

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Speaker 1: Revalry No, no, sibling. You don't do that with your

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Speaker 1: mouth revely. That's good. Yeah, it was so funny. We

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Speaker 1: were we were just riffing a little bit before, and uh,

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Speaker 1: I was like, you know, doesn't even he's been a

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Speaker 1: heart throb like all of his life and and and

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Speaker 1: he's all that has just been put on him, you know.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, God, doesn't he sick of it?

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Speaker 1: Doesn't he doesn't he It's like, just Jesus, I am

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Speaker 1: more than And then boom, he pops on. Rob Low

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Speaker 1: this is who we're talking about. And Chad, who I've

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Speaker 1: known for a minute. We played hockey together. Really great guys,

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Speaker 1: just really great human beings. Anyway, so he comes on.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, here's what we were talking about. He

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Speaker 1: loves being a heart throb. He's like, what are you crazy?

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Speaker 1: Who doesn't want to be a heart throb into their

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Speaker 1: forties and fifties? I mean, you know, and he still

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Speaker 1: is the guy is just still crazy, sexy, It's insane.

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Speaker 1: I've actually been communicating with his son because he's a

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Speaker 1: massive fisherman. He actually owns a thirty one foot Bertram

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Speaker 1: thirty one Bertram that I am obsessed with. I almost

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Speaker 1: bought one of these boats. And I'm a crazy fisherman,

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Speaker 1: as you know, and he is just he goes well

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Speaker 1: beyond me. The guy is obsessed. So we've been communicating

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Speaker 1: and I think we're going to fish anyway. These boys

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Speaker 1: were great, so much fun talking to them. Their childhood

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Speaker 1: is so easy, interesting and nuts and you know, but

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Speaker 1: along but through it all, you know, just the love

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Speaker 1: that that these boys have for each other is that's

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Speaker 1: pretty awesome. And Chad, uh, Chad's the ship. I really

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Speaker 1: love him. You know. We ask I always ask, you know,

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Speaker 1: our guests, especially when you have, you know, a big,

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Speaker 1: successful but maybe not as successful, similar to my situation,

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Speaker 1: our situation, and and I'm always saying, do you feel competitive?

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Speaker 1: Are you jealous? Is there envy? And every sibling is

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Speaker 1: like no, you know no, And I'm always like, well,

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Speaker 1: come on, there's got to be something there. Chad Low

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Speaker 1: listen to his answer, that's my boy. Keeps it real anyway. Enjoy, Enjoy, enjoy.

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Speaker 1: Two handsome men, Chad and Rob loo. Oh, look at

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Speaker 1: Rob low God, look at I. Look he had to

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Speaker 1: get you, had to get the light. He had to

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Speaker 1: get you to get the light. I get the look.

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Speaker 1: He's so hands Okay, so he's definitely more of a

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Speaker 1: heart throat. Okay, we were we were talking about this.

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Speaker 1: I was like, aren't you sick of that? Aren't you

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Speaker 1: so sick of this ship? Aren't you so sick of that?

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Speaker 1: I am? You know, it's really all people talking about

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Speaker 1: my looks. It comes me out, So I mean, I'm

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Speaker 1: sick of it. For you, I'm like Jesus. And then

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Speaker 1: and then Kate's I was like, no, who gets sick

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Speaker 1: of being a heart throb? He nobody? Nobody? You kidding me?

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Speaker 1: Like he's lying, he's lying. My favorite is I took

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Speaker 1: There was a whole period of my career where I

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Speaker 1: was like, I'm not taking my shirt off. There's something justified.

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Speaker 1: And I got to forty and I'm like, I'm fucking

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Speaker 1: taking my shirt off, and I was like us losing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: sibling rivalry, which I think is apropos. I grew up

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Speaker 1: is the fun you brought it up. I mean it all,

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Speaker 1: it all is. It's all part of the ingredient. It's

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Speaker 1: all part of your ingredients, your experience. But I mean,

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Speaker 1: the beginning. So, Rob, you wrote a book a bit

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Speaker 1: the oldest. That's me, I'm four years older. And where

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Speaker 1: oftentimes people mistake us for our voices. Our father when

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Speaker 1: I know, it's hard to believe. And I am younger.

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Speaker 1: interesting birthing process, right you couldn't you were born and

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Speaker 1: There are scenes that we have, not not the kind

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Speaker 1: these allergies? I meaning, like, Okay, today I'm around paint,

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427
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Speaker 1: I need to lie and there too, right, I mean,

428
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 1: these are the great mysteries of life. I mean, here's

429
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Speaker 1: my favorite, here's my favorite. So we would buy We

430
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Speaker 1: didn't have a ton of money at all, I mean

431
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Speaker 1: at all. And you know, we were the family that

432
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Speaker 1: could go out and not order dessert like that was

433
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Speaker 1: like our vibe. And so when we bought a new car,

434
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Speaker 1: it was a big deal and it was used to it.

435
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Speaker 1: We would buy, well, she went. When we did buy

436
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Speaker 1: a new car, she would have to leave it outside

437
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Speaker 1: with the windows open for almost four months before she

438
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Speaker 1: could get into it. That's why I thought it was used. No,

439
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Speaker 1: it wasn't used. It was because she would the outgassing

440
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Speaker 1: of the new car smell. Right. Yeah, listen. She was

441
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Speaker 1: also but ahead of her time, like she was like

442
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,040
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443
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Speaker 1: the notion of food allergies, I'm I think there was

444
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 1: some there there, but there was also something else there

445
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,679
Speaker 1: was definitely she was definitely ahead of her time. But

446
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 1: where does this debate start because Chad, do you have

447
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 1: a different idea of No. I think the debate is

448
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 1: is just trying to see the light and figure out

449
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Speaker 1: what that they're there is. And you know, I mean,

450
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Speaker 1: I think we both recognize that she had other issues Kate,

451
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 1: you know, as you mentioned, which will never know, but

452
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 1: psychological issues, whether it was depression or you know, clinical depression,

453
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Speaker 1: whatever it was. But there was also you know, a

454
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Speaker 1: lot of the things she was talking about in the

455
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Speaker 1: early seventies we've all now accepted as facts, which is

456
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Speaker 1: the air we breathe can make us thick, the water

457
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,719
Speaker 1: we drink can make us thick. You know, that certain

458
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,679
Speaker 1: chemicals leap out of the furnitures. I mean, it's these

459
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 1: things are So that's I think where Rob and I

460
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: are like, yeah, but but why she wasn't she I wonder,

461
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Speaker 1: you know, because obviously she's primary parent. That kind of

462
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: negative cycle of thinking that things are bad for you

463
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: create any anxiety and in either of you like, that's

464
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Speaker 1: a Chad blow question. Wow, you must know what you

465
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Speaker 1: speak to ask that question. Yeah, yeah, definitely, I definitely

466
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Speaker 1: have it. Definitely. I think affected me more to look

467
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Speaker 1: at the to look at the world, around you with

468
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Speaker 1: with the with that kind of a lens. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: the thought that the area breathing makes you sick, or

470
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Speaker 1: that the water you're drinking makes you sick. I was

471
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Speaker 1: actually in an allergy hospital with her when I was

472
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Speaker 1: a hospital that was foremost in the in the field

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Speaker 1: of food allergies. And I was often had a had

475
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Speaker 1: a stomach ache as a child, always always had a

476
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Speaker 1: stomach ache. I mean, number one sign of anxiety. Anxiety,

477
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,439
Speaker 1: and so it was something's wrong. Let's go to the

478
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: hospital in Chicago. It's all gets so crazy. This is

479
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 1: where Rob and I just go down the rabbit hole

480
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,479
Speaker 1: and start flapping ourselves, you know, to death. Here. But

481
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: and some it's just so profound and so bizarre. But yeah,

482
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Speaker 1: I went to an allergy hospital with her called hen

483
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Speaker 1: Rot in the hospital, I'll never forget it. And I

484
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485
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Speaker 1: fasting for a week on nothing but water and taking

486
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Speaker 1: diuretics and to cleanse my system to then test me

487
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488
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: I remember we came home and I was only allowed

489
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490
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,680
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491
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Speaker 1: I guess what's interesting about this is that you can

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Speaker 1: look at it from again to different perspectives. One of Wow,

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546
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547
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548
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,880
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549
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: sounds like like she really was very much ahead of

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Speaker 1: her procatic. Yeah. Yeah, I mean it's interesting. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I just I just find that interesting informed. Did that

552
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Speaker 1: inform how you think and how you feel about your life?

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean? You did you take your parents?

554
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: And how much did you rail against your parents? And

555
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Speaker 1: how much did you take? You know? For me Chad

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00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: speaking here, I you know, I had to work through

557
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: a lot of that stuff early on, and I remember,

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Speaker 1: you know, and high school years, especially as I started

559
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560
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 1: a car and then moved out of the house. I

561
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: kind of was like, I'm not going to get sick

562
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: by the world around me, and I can eat whatever

563
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: the hell I want to eat, and I can drink

564
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: and do drugs and I can just go completely utterly insane. Right,

565
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: It's Malibu in the eighties. It's going to get weird.

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Speaker 1: It got weird. Yeah. I went to SAMO. Did you

567
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: guys both Did you guys both go to Samo? Yeah?

568
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: I went to SAMO And what was the Junior High

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Speaker 1: which is now Malibu High. Yeah, Junior High was on

570
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Speaker 1: Morning View there. Oh wow, you guys are real like

571
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: Malibu kids, old school. Oh yeah, and I'm obsessed like

572
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Speaker 1: the great story that I need to write, will do,

573
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575
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576
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Speaker 1: eighty six, and also when we moved there, you know,

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Speaker 1: There was kind of a working class, which with a

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Speaker 1: Doom that really didn't want any part of city living

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586
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587
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Speaker 1: want to be in the city, didn't want to be

588
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Speaker 1: in Hollywood but wanted to escape to a place that

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Speaker 1: also it sounds strange because it's so beautiful and so renowned,

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Speaker 1: but there was a certain normalcy about living there. Yeah,

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00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: you didn't have like a hot people was like, what

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00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:12,680
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Speaker 1: see it, and I remember how about when you used

607
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Speaker 1: when first started Paradise Cove and then and then the

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Speaker 1: storm took out the pier. I yes, that's right, So

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Speaker 1: My first job was at the pharmacy, remember that I was.

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Speaker 1: I was a It was a different such a different

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Speaker 1: time than it is now Malibu. It really was. I

616
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Speaker 1: mean the kids in Malibu really got heavy into drugs,

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Speaker 1: a lot of them. Yeah, and uh, I think everyone

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Speaker 1: who's lived in LA have has had friends in Malibu.

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Speaker 1: Have They've had friends who have actually died, you know

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Speaker 1: in my Okay, So the junior high I went to,

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Speaker 1: I remember that because I was the parliamentarian in the

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624
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 1: eight kids died. Wow. Really that's crazy. Now if that

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Speaker 1: happened today, oh my god. Yeah, eight kids die at

626
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 1: the same school in a three year period, it would

627
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628
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Speaker 1: That's a different it's just such a different time. How

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630
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631
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632
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:31,920
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633
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634
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,719
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635
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Speaker 1: the sort of love of storytellings start to actually come

637
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 1: from being in Los Angeles? No, I was acting in Ohio.

638
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:52,399
Speaker 1: I was doing children's theater in summer Stock and all that.

639
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: When when I was eight in Dayton, and you'd have

640
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: thought that coming to California would be great, because it's

641
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: all I wanted to do. But I was a broken

642
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: to leave Dayton and my friends and it only kind

643
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: of begrudgingly was like, yeah, I guess California was. I mean,

644
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: I love that like our We moved to the one

645
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 1: of the lesser streets on the Point Wandermere. Oh you

646
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 1: are a wander Mare? Yeah, and uh and I with

647
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 1: no view. But when they told me that our our

648
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: broken down corral was built from wood from the remnants

649
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 1: of the beach set of Planet of the Apes, I

650
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, that's this is a cool place. So

651
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 1: you were always into acting? Yeah, where did that come from?

652
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 1: I saw a play when I was a kid. It

653
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 1: was the play Oliver with all the little kids in it.

654
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: The little beggar kids, and I was like I wanted

655
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: It was like an AHA moment, like a real I

656
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: was like, I want to do that. There was a

657
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: sign up sheet in the lobby for a children's workshop.

658
00:38:56,160 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 1: My parents signed me up and literally, I, I can

659
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 1: tell you, it's all I ever wanted to do. I

660
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: was like laser lazy. I used to take the bus

661
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 1: from Point Doom to Santa Monica, get a transfer, take

662
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 1: a bus to Beverly Hills, get a transfer, take a

663
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 1: bus to Hollywood and Vine, go in for an audition

664
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:18,879
Speaker 1: and repeat it. Do my homework on the bus, come home,

665
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,760
Speaker 1: eat and go to bed. Wow, it's what I did. Wow?

666
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 1: When did you start auditioning the minute I got there?

667
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: So twelve years old? Like yeah, yeah, And Chad, do

668
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 1: you sort of look at Rob and as the younger

669
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: sibling see sort of your entry point into the arts

670
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: through your brothers, sort of motivated by your brother's love

671
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: for the arts, you know? I think I was certainly

672
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: exposed to it. I remember back in Dayton, he was

673
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 1: doing Oklahoma and I signed up to play. I don't

674
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: know what it was in Oklahoma, and I made it

675
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 1: through one rehearsal and I was like this is not

676
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 1: I'm not doing this. But I did develop a fascination

677
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:07,240
Speaker 1: with traveling salesman, and so I went around telling everybody

678
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 1: mistakenly that when I grew up, I was going to

679
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: be a street walker because I somehow in my six

680
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: year old brain got the two confused. That's amazing, but

681
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: that's what that was. My takeaway from from Oklahoma was

682
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 1: I didn't I wasn't interest. I just didn't have that

683
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: interest that he did. And Rob, like as Rob said

684
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,720
Speaker 1: he was, he had that laser focus and that sense

685
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: of purpose that that acting. I mean, I remember it

686
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: was he had movie pictures up on his wall and

687
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 1: it was all about acting and movies and how movies

688
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 1: are made. And I didn't have any any interest in that.

689
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: I can I ask Rob a question. I don't mean

690
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:50,799
Speaker 1: to hijack this, we're asking the questions here, but you think, Rob,

691
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 1: that when when you started acting, was there any part

692
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: because I wonder about this, like, was there any part

693
00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: of you that thought that getting being seen on stage?

694
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 1: Because I'm so fascinated by what draw somebody to want

695
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: to be in front of others? Was there something about

696
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 1: needing love from dad or wanting to feeling that you

697
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 1: weren't being seen or being heard. Do you think that

698
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: played into that at all? I well, the first time

699
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: I was ever on stage ever, I remember it like

700
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 1: it vividly, and when the audience laughed and and and

701
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 1: I I was too young to even it wasn't like

702
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: I had that power, but it felt powerful and and

703
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: and and like I had I was in control of

704
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: this collective experience. I could never have processed it that

705
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 1: way because I was so young, But looking back on it,

706
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: I remember the feelings and I think that's what it was.

707
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: And I and I think it's it's about being you know,

708
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:02,720
Speaker 1: being being seen. How having control? For sure on stage

709
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: it's and to this day it's why I prefer above

710
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,800
Speaker 1: all else being on stage. Is that of you walking

711
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 1: out there with nothing. When I do my one man

712
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: show and it's two thousand people and you have to

713
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: deliver and you're going to transport them. You've taken them

714
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: in your hand and you you are guiding them them

715
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 1: and you are the steward. And that's and that's the

716
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 1: same way why I love directing. When I get to

717
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 1: do it right, that's so interesting. And not that you

718
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 1: were asking me this Chad, But I'm gonna I want

719
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 1: to add to this very Howard Stern question by the way,

720
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 1: very Stern. Yeah, because you know because for me, like

721
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 1: you're you're talking about like actually like grabbing the audience

722
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 1: like that interaction, right, And for me, I think my

723
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 1: first feeling of being on a stage had nothing to

724
00:42:55,920 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: do with an audience and everything to do with the light. Wow.

725
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: Like for me, it was like I couldn't see anybody. Wow.

726
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: All I saw was like this these lights on Alice

727
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: in Wonderland, right. I mean I was in that performance

728
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 1: as well. This is you were all about audience interactions

729
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: about I was gone. I had I was like, you know,

730
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: I was transported to another world. You played Little Alice.

731
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: When she came out everything was and it was so

732
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:37,760
Speaker 1: big and her You've never we've never seen any bigger

733
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,839
Speaker 1: acting in your life. It was it was like, oh god,

734
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,280
Speaker 1: it was amazing. It was in Colorado at the Wheeler

735
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 1: Opera House in Aspen, and it was this really beautiful place.

736
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,959
Speaker 1: Have you've ever been? It's amazing space. It's insane. Yeah.

737
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 1: I played tweedled d in that and I was in

738
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 1: fourth grade. I was tweetl d okay We've had two performances,

739
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 1: brought the house the two performances, and something went wrong

740
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: in every in both performance into the umbrella wouldn't open.

741
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: And my guy goes tweetled dumb goes up on a

742
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:07,760
Speaker 1: line like it never worked out, but it worked out

743
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: through it so so so perfect. So like yes, in

744
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 1: our careers and everything. So what was your both of

745
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 1: your first jobs, what was your first Well, I can

746
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: say that, you know. It's it's funny back to answer

747
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: the question about like when I knew or if I

748
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 1: wanted to be an actor, I was not going to

749
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: be an actor, and I was I and I was

750
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 1: kind of defiant in a way, like I'm not going

751
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 1: to follow in anybody's footsteps. You know, I'm not going

752
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 1: to do that. That's his thing, you know, Like I

753
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 1: got my thing. It's funny. I see with my kids now,

754
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: they're all like trying to find what their thing is

755
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: that makes them unique and makes them special. And you know,

756
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,320
Speaker 1: as a parent, you're like you are unique, you are special,

757
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: and just you know, but I was not going to

758
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: be an actor and then I, you know, remember visiting

759
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 1: I think it was when I took the SAPs and

760
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 1: like got whatever you get for writing your name. That

761
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 1: was my score. And I went, well, I'm not going

762
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,839
Speaker 1: down the road of academy, that's for sure. And I

763
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 1: was like, thing might be interesting. And I remember visiting Rob.

764
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: I don't even Rob doesn't even know this, probably, but

765
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: visiting the set of Hotel New Hampshire and watching you

766
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: do a scene with what was the young young actress's name,

767
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 1: I can't remember, Jennifer Dundas Dundas yep. And I watched

768
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: her and she had a candle in her hands. She

769
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 1: remember this still, Davidly. And I had this access to

770
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: the making of and the process of acting, and I

771
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: watched it and I watched what she was doing, what

772
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 1: what Rob was doing, and I thought, I want to

773
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: try that. I think I could do this, and this

774
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: looked really interesting, and I think I caught a glimpse

775
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 1: of what you're talking about, of the power that you feel,

776
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: you know, and you can feel that power. I feel

777
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: that power a lot like you do, Kate, and that

778
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: I get kind of so nervous and get so then

779
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: when it I'm in it, it's happening. And then when

780
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: I'm done, the nurse come flooding back and I really

781
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: don't have any memory of what I just did, right,

782
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: And but I I remember having having a very instrumental

783
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: talk with Martin Sheen when Charlie and I were very

784
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: dear friends, and Martin for some reason was driving me

785
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 1: out to meet Cary at a David Bowie concert and

786
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: it was a Lets It was a Lets dance tour

787
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 1: at Anaheim Stadium, and Martin for some reason needed to

788
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,839
Speaker 1: drive me from Point Doom to Anaheim Stadium. So, you know,

789
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 1: for four hours he talked my ear off about the

790
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: public theater and about Joe pap and he's, you know,

791
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: also from Dayton, Ohile. And he said to me, you know,

792
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 1: I think you are an actor and I and I

793
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 1: was like that, you know, blew my mind, he said,

794
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: And I said, well, what do you mean? He said,

795
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: it's the way you look at things. I see you

796
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 1: observing when you were at Charley and I see you

797
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 1: in the kind of standing off in the background, watched

798
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: me everything. And that's what a great actor does that

799
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 1: they they observe life, they study life. And I was

800
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: in hook if that what acting was. So from that

801
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 1: point on, I think I realized, like, you know, I

802
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: can do this. I can do this my own way,

803
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:11,800
Speaker 1: if you will. And it's not until you know my

804
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 1: later years that I just you know, because there's the

805
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 1: whole thing about nepotism and people. You know, people have

806
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: a different point of view about that. But I mean

807
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: I often am so grateful that Rob had whatever that

808
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 1: was inside of him that exposed me. Who's something that's

809
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 1: made me, you know, weep and cry and miserable, but

810
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 1: it's given me a beautiful life. So yeah, I mean

811
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 1: Martin Sheen, I mean that's not a bad like uh

812
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 1: pep talk no, but but it was Rob. I mean

813
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 1: Rob was the one. I mean Rob, Rob was the

814
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 1: pioneer for us and our family. Yeah, I give full

815
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,359
Speaker 1: credit the case it's going to be like envy, Yeah, right, Ever,

816
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 1: and you know, and is there ever? Was there ever? Envy?

817
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 1: I mean I asked this all the time, like was

818
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 1: there was there the envious part of you? Was there? Like?

819
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:00,399
Speaker 1: Oh my brother is you know, a star and he's

820
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 1: all this and he's all that, and I'm I love it,

821
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: I love it, but I'm like, God damn it, Like

822
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: what about me? And was there ever? Jesus every day? Yeah,

823
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:13,839
Speaker 1: finally someone who tells the fucking truth. Finally, Jesus, we've

824
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 1: only done a hundred billionaires. Every time we do this

825
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 1: and everyone's like, no, absolutely not, And I'm like talking

826
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: about it. It's natural out there, it's not natural for

827
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: It's different for everybody. I love it. But you have

828
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: someone you can text anytime. Now, Oliver, let's we can

829
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 1: text Chad. But here's the But here's the thing. I'm

830
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: but along that envy, the other side of that coin

831
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 1: or this, on the same path of that mvy is

832
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: an incredible pride, yes, and and gratitude and and just

833
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: like if Rob gets I'm getting like chills. If something

834
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 1: good happens with Rob, I hear absolutely one in that

835
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 1: uh in that and in the joy that that brings.

836
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 1: There's not a part of me that wants his life.

837
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 1: I don't want to be you, Rob, I love you

838
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:10,359
Speaker 1: to pieces. I'm so happy with my life. I'm so

839
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 1: happy where I am. But I can also keep space

840
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 1: for when you know something happens. I'm like, yeah, God,

841
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,439
Speaker 1: I would love that too. I don't I don't want

842
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 1: I don't want you not to have it. But what

843
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: about me? Like I would like that too? Yeah? Yeah,

844
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 1: I have. I sometimes exist in a Jack L and

845
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,280
Speaker 1: hide situation where we're going to go to the premiere.

846
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:31,399
Speaker 1: I'm like, cameras are flashing. It's all better all the time,

847
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:33,200
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Speaker 1: and it's like at the after party, like she is,

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Speaker 1: What was your first job? Rob Yeah, what was it? Charlie?

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Speaker 1: What was your first job? Chadley? Oh my, Chadley's I'll

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Speaker 1: go Chadley's just my first job was. I got two

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Speaker 1: and I called and I got a thing called Robert

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Speaker 1: And then I got another one called Flight ninety Disaster

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Speaker 1: on the Potomac, which with Barry Corbyn, I played the Sun.

869
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Speaker 1: It was about the Air of Florida crash. I remember

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Speaker 1: Outsiders was was this big gig, right? But what was

876
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Speaker 1: your first on screen gig? Well? Well, well, the first

877
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Speaker 1: time I ever got paid for for acting, yeah was.

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Speaker 1: Don't ask me what that name is or meant, but

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Speaker 1: ten dollars and the New Partridge Family album. Wow, oh, solid,

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Speaker 1: solid compensation. My first job was actually singing in the

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890
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Speaker 1: Home Alone. Yeah for that, Yeah, well they were much

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Speaker 1: that's more generous then, I guess. Wow, no kidding, Oliver,

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Speaker 1: what was your first gig? Oh, god, it's it's probably

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Speaker 1: with mom. It was. It was a movie called Out

895
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Speaker 1: I just want to be clear about that. But no,

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902
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Speaker 1: But that wasn't enough to stop me. And so I

1056
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 1: flirted for like a year and a half maybe of

1057
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:23,560
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna stop drinking. Maybe I should stop drinking.

1058
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 1: I'm going to go a month without drinking. I'm gonna

1059
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 1: sit in it, and it never really held. And then

1060
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 1: there was a night when my mother called me and

1061
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 1: told me that my grandfather had had a heart attack.

1062
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 1: He was very very close to him, and she was

1063
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:39,960
Speaker 1: leaving a message on the answering machine and I couldn't

1064
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 1: pick it up because I've been up all night partying

1065
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 1: and I didn't I couldn't talk to her. So I thought,

1066
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:47,840
Speaker 1: I know what I'm going to do. I'm going to

1067
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 1: not answer this now. I'm going to drink this bottle

1068
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:53,680
Speaker 1: of Quervo Gold that I kept by my bedside table

1069
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:56,920
Speaker 1: because I missed all this George Clooney tequila stuff, Like

1070
01:02:57,080 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 1: where was that when I don't know in my day,

1071
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 1: it was like Quervo Gold was the top of the heat.

1072
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:06,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that was it. That was it. You know,

1073
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 1: it's a I'm a good listener of Steely Dan, Quervo

1074
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 1: Gold and the Fine Columbia. They made it to that

1075
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:15,200
Speaker 1: a wonderful thing, as they say. So I was like,

1076
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:18,680
Speaker 1: all right, I'm gonna drink chuggle ug this Quervo so

1077
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:21,200
Speaker 1: I can go to sleep, so I can wake up

1078
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:23,960
Speaker 1: to deal with this phone call. And that felt like

1079
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 1: logic to me, and I had this moment of dude,

1080
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:31,440
Speaker 1: you're so fucked up, and that was it. I the

1081
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 1: next day. I have been carrying the business card of

1082
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:41,200
Speaker 1: a drug and alcohol counselor in my wallet for a

1083
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:43,720
Speaker 1: year and a half. I couldn't keep a pair of

1084
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 1: sunglasses for a year and a half, but I kept this,

1085
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:49,560
Speaker 1: and I woke up the next day, pulled out the card.

1086
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:52,440
Speaker 1: Called her name's Betty Wyman. She put me on a

1087
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 1: plane to Sierra Tucson and that was that I'll be

1088
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:59,720
Speaker 1: thirty one years ago and wow? That was that? Was it?

1089
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 1: Where you go amazing? Amazing? And Chad, did you have

1090
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 1: a similar story somewhat in that I'm an alcoholic in

1091
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 1: an addict? And uh yeah, I mean I I definitely.

1092
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 1: You know. What's interesting is they talk about in the

1093
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:25,800
Speaker 1: program it's you know, it's it's attraction rather than promotion, right,

1094
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:28,000
Speaker 1: and it's like, if you want what I have, I'll

1095
01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 1: show you how to do it. So you know, I

1096
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:35,480
Speaker 1: here's here's another great irony. I'm Rob's sobriety. Birthdate is

1097
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:40,120
Speaker 1: May tenth, Mine is May eleventh. Wow. Wow, we're you know,

1098
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:43,720
Speaker 1: I'm coming up on nineteen years in a few months

1099
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:48,800
Speaker 1: here and he's got thirty one coming up. So I

1100
01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:53,800
Speaker 1: and we both like exactly the same kind of blend, right, Yeah, same,

1101
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:56,000
Speaker 1: the same kind of chemistry we both we were. We

1102
01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:59,440
Speaker 1: were we were very good wingmen. I was let to say,

1103
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 1: did you guys already a lot together? Oh? As much

1104
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:04,920
Speaker 1: as we could, as much as we could? Are you

1105
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:09,000
Speaker 1: kidding me? Yeah? We had again to Rob's point that

1106
01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 1: there are some memories that I definitely, you know, would

1107
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 1: I have no regrets and have great memories. And again,

1108
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:19,000
Speaker 1: like you said, it was it was fun and games

1109
01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 1: until it wasn't. And then I found myself in that

1110
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:26,640
Speaker 1: incomprehensible demoralization of I can't live with it and I

1111
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:29,760
Speaker 1: can't live without it. And I knew I had a problem,

1112
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 1: and it was really scary, you know, and I got

1113
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:37,360
Speaker 1: to the point with with mine and I was hiding

1114
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:39,920
Speaker 1: from everybody in my life, not let no one was

1115
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:44,240
Speaker 1: really aware, anybody Rob. I think I don't know if

1116
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 1: he was even aware. I know, I didn't know it

1117
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:49,960
Speaker 1: had ever become a problem for him. I knew he

1118
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:52,360
Speaker 1: did it. He like you would love to party and

1119
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:56,040
Speaker 1: was maybe probably still doing it. But I felt like

1120
01:05:56,200 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 1: he was probably partying the way quote unquote normal people.

1121
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:03,520
Speaker 1: And I actually didn't know to progress to that. Yeah,

1122
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:05,960
Speaker 1: and I didn't. And it was because I have I

1123
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:09,200
Speaker 1: have a lot of recovery knowledge under my belt. I

1124
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:11,920
Speaker 1: was at Family Week with Rob at Sierra Tucson, and

1125
01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:15,760
Speaker 1: I have friends other friends who have gone through you know, recovery,

1126
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:19,400
Speaker 1: and so it's not it wasn't like this strange you know,

1127
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:22,040
Speaker 1: discovery for me. So I had, you know, I had

1128
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 1: a little bit of a head full of recovery. So

1129
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:29,320
Speaker 1: that just helped with the game, you know, and wanting

1130
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:31,960
Speaker 1: to hide it all because when I Rob recovered, didn't

1131
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:34,840
Speaker 1: you did you? Did you look at that as an

1132
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 1: impetus to maybe try or was it like now I'm

1133
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:39,080
Speaker 1: just going to be on my own do my own thing.

1134
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:42,440
Speaker 1: Well no, I mean I definitely felt like when he

1135
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:44,760
Speaker 1: got sober, there was I was like, good luck to you,

1136
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:46,880
Speaker 1: I mean, good for you. I'm happy, and I was

1137
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:48,800
Speaker 1: grateful to him. But there was never a part of

1138
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:51,200
Speaker 1: me that was like, that's my path too. I just

1139
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:53,440
Speaker 1: knew I had a lot more fun in me, I thought,

1140
01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:56,800
Speaker 1: you know, and and was never I was never like

1141
01:06:56,840 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 1: a morning drinker, every day drinker or anything like that.

1142
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:02,440
Speaker 1: It's such a h and baffling and powerful disease, you know.

1143
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 1: It just it really knuck up on me and I

1144
01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:07,600
Speaker 1: And I think that speaks a lot to kind of

1145
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:11,080
Speaker 1: the genetic component of it, because you know, I was

1146
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:14,240
Speaker 1: always you know, very aware of like I need to

1147
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 1: get on the wagon. I've got a big meeting coming up.

1148
01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 1: I'm going to go dry this whole week, And so

1149
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:20,000
Speaker 1: I laugh about dry January. I'm like, if you have

1150
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:22,960
Speaker 1: to go dry and January I work it together eleven

1151
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:28,240
Speaker 1: months of the year. But but I I and again

1152
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:31,080
Speaker 1: no judgments at all, but you know, it just for me,

1153
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:34,560
Speaker 1: it just it got to the point where I was,

1154
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:39,040
Speaker 1: you know, killing myself, and the easier, softer way for

1155
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:42,880
Speaker 1: me seemed to be dying. Which I look back on

1156
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:45,760
Speaker 1: that now and I just think, that's it's so incredibly

1157
01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:48,760
Speaker 1: sad to think that how much I would have lost

1158
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:50,320
Speaker 1: and that I could have gotten to that place. And

1159
01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:52,320
Speaker 1: I had that moment of clarity when I looked in

1160
01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:54,360
Speaker 1: the mirror and you know, had been on a run

1161
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 1: for a few days, and I couldn't see myself anymore,

1162
01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:00,760
Speaker 1: and I and I started crying, and and I just thought,

1163
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:03,640
Speaker 1: I don't even know who I'm looking at right now

1164
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:07,400
Speaker 1: in this mirror. And also that you know that stereotype

1165
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:10,240
Speaker 1: of like, well, is this what an addict and an

1166
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:13,640
Speaker 1: alcoholic looked like? Because I don't think it is. And

1167
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:16,320
Speaker 1: you know, my first meeting, you know, I had kind

1168
01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:19,240
Speaker 1: of a big event that happened. Basically I got caught,

1169
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:22,120
Speaker 1: which was the greatest in some ways, a very kindful

1170
01:08:22,200 --> 01:08:25,320
Speaker 1: day but also one of the greatest of my life

1171
01:08:25,360 --> 01:08:27,799
Speaker 1: because it's when I really was able to let people

1172
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:31,120
Speaker 1: know what I would have been fighting, and so I

1173
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:33,960
Speaker 1: was able to let my secret out. And I picked

1174
01:08:34,040 --> 01:08:36,840
Speaker 1: up the phone book and I looked. I looked in

1175
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:38,800
Speaker 1: the beginning of the phone book in the ades, I'll

1176
01:08:38,840 --> 01:08:42,080
Speaker 1: just say, and I made a call and went to

1177
01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:46,479
Speaker 1: a twelve step. I know that feeling, man, I know

1178
01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:48,760
Speaker 1: the feeling of holding it in and having to sort

1179
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:50,479
Speaker 1: of finally let it off your chest. You know, for

1180
01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:52,080
Speaker 1: me it was a little different, or you guys got

1181
01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:53,519
Speaker 1: to go. I won't get into my whole story, but

1182
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:56,280
Speaker 1: like it was, you know, two and a half years

1183
01:08:56,280 --> 01:08:59,720
Speaker 1: of holding in. I was unfaithful to my wife. We

1184
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:03,280
Speaker 1: were in engaged, and I spiraled down and I was

1185
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:05,360
Speaker 1: had an addiction. I mean, there's no doubt about it.

1186
01:09:05,360 --> 01:09:07,280
Speaker 1: I would I would cry and then go out and

1187
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:10,240
Speaker 1: pour myself a drink and get right back out there

1188
01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:13,920
Speaker 1: in the field. And it was just fucking horrendous to me.

1189
01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:16,360
Speaker 1: And finally, after two and a half years of just

1190
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:19,880
Speaker 1: annihilating myself, I finally had to come clean because I

1191
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:23,439
Speaker 1: couldn't live with myself anymore. And the day that I did,

1192
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:27,840
Speaker 1: that sort of relief, even though I'm risking everything in

1193
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:31,240
Speaker 1: my life at that point, it was so great. I mean,

1194
01:09:31,280 --> 01:09:34,040
Speaker 1: it was like, oh God, just to get it off

1195
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:37,679
Speaker 1: off of my chest, you know. Yeah. It was also

1196
01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:40,839
Speaker 1: so great because that moment took the pressure off my divorce.

1197
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:44,599
Speaker 1: It did. It was a perfect timing. It was perfect

1198
01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:47,160
Speaker 1: time I was getting divorced and everybody was mad at me.

1199
01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:49,760
Speaker 1: And then I was like, well, and then all it's

1200
01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 1: like I have a sex addiction, and I'm like, oh,

1201
01:09:52,439 --> 01:10:03,360
Speaker 1: thank God, thank God, Oh thank God. By the way,

1202
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:05,120
Speaker 1: can I just point I need to point out something

1203
01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:07,559
Speaker 1: because those who might be listening and questioning about all

1204
01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:13,040
Speaker 1: this that here are multiple addicts, sex addicts, drug aggs,

1205
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:17,759
Speaker 1: vados in recovery happy and we're talking about and we're laughing.

1206
01:10:18,479 --> 01:10:21,280
Speaker 1: And that's the thing that that that I find so

1207
01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:24,479
Speaker 1: remarkable and like I want to tell because my biggest

1208
01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:26,040
Speaker 1: the thing that kept me from getting sober for so

1209
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:30,640
Speaker 1: long was my fun would be dead right like my

1210
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:33,120
Speaker 1: like like I would not I'd be a stick in

1211
01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:37,080
Speaker 1: the mud. I'd be some fuddy duddy and like, dude,

1212
01:10:37,160 --> 01:10:41,000
Speaker 1: we laugh, Well, I laugh more now, like the fact

1213
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:44,839
Speaker 1: that we're all laughing about this this stuff. It's deadly serious,

1214
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:48,280
Speaker 1: but we get through it and we have the tools

1215
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:50,200
Speaker 1: to get through it and we're able to laugh about it.

1216
01:10:50,240 --> 01:10:52,040
Speaker 1: Is I think that, to me is probably the most

1217
01:10:52,160 --> 01:10:56,200
Speaker 1: unexpected thing that people don't know is waiting for them

1218
01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:59,160
Speaker 1: in recovery. Yes, And that is why I also think

1219
01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:03,479
Speaker 1: it's so important to be open about these things, because

1220
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:07,280
Speaker 1: it also does show people that, you know, when when

1221
01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:09,320
Speaker 1: you get to the other side of it, there's just

1222
01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:13,519
Speaker 1: an enormous community of people who are right there with you,

1223
01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:16,960
Speaker 1: like have had the same experiences, and you know, there's

1224
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:20,800
Speaker 1: something very liberating about you know that. That's why you know,

1225
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:23,000
Speaker 1: the first step is to just not be in denial,

1226
01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:25,200
Speaker 1: and the second you're not in denial, like you said,

1227
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:29,760
Speaker 1: it's your first step into you know, integrity. It's like

1228
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:33,120
Speaker 1: our trainer, my trainer would say, it's awareness and awareness

1229
01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:37,120
Speaker 1: leads to integrity. And I think it's a really interesting

1230
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:42,559
Speaker 1: you guys are going to ask the one question we're

1231
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:45,439
Speaker 1: not going to do any speed route, the final one,

1232
01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:48,160
Speaker 1: which is which is the good one you go for? Okay,

1233
01:11:49,160 --> 01:11:51,639
Speaker 1: you save you save the good one for last. Clearly,

1234
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:55,840
Speaker 1: I wish we could reading some of these. I can

1235
01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:59,639
Speaker 1: do five, let's do a couple of then one word

1236
01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:05,320
Speaker 1: to just gribe the other m This is we're supposed to.

1237
01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:08,719
Speaker 1: They're both. Yeah. When I when I do these speed rounds,

1238
01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:10,960
Speaker 1: I don't edit. I do whatever pops into my head.

1239
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:16,400
Speaker 1: And so I with chat. I got sweet and now

1240
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:20,160
Speaker 1: I'm acting so I can find the word it's so sweet.

1241
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:25,240
Speaker 1: It's hard. It's hard unless it pops right into your head,

1242
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:26,920
Speaker 1: and that just happens. I have a bunch of them

1243
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:34,280
Speaker 1: are popping in. But I'm like, I like Chad, I'm

1244
01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:38,840
Speaker 1: floundering so badly. But you can edit. You can edit

1245
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:42,680
Speaker 1: whatever you want. Like radio, Si're not editing. This is

1246
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:46,120
Speaker 1: a window into how you feel about your brother, total window.

1247
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:50,840
Speaker 1: This is better than anything we now, we understand. How

1248
01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:58,560
Speaker 1: about we just move on. Chad Oliver's got me hereis

1249
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:03,360
Speaker 1: I like it? Okay? Song to sum up your childhood?

1250
01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:09,800
Speaker 1: Oh so many? But Chad and I do this all

1251
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:14,400
Speaker 1: the time. We send each other these like TikTok clips

1252
01:13:14,439 --> 01:13:20,400
Speaker 1: of obscure songs from our childhood. It's a super fun game. Yeah.

1253
01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:22,080
Speaker 1: One of the one of the best gifts Rob ever

1254
01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:24,000
Speaker 1: gave me when he went to do The Outsiders was

1255
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:26,360
Speaker 1: his I got his room, and I got his record

1256
01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:30,559
Speaker 1: player and his records. Discover all of the great music

1257
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:33,040
Speaker 1: he had discovered before me. So I got all the

1258
01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:37,559
Speaker 1: Jackson Brown's, Chris Spring Themes and the Pretenders and all

1259
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:40,519
Speaker 1: these great albums, and so what one song that for

1260
01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:46,240
Speaker 1: both of us are in individual childhood? Dude, I might

1261
01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:47,840
Speaker 1: have to I might have to go with Year of

1262
01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:51,479
Speaker 1: the Cat. We we have this thing about the song

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Speaker 1: Year of the Cat. Were just like, it's such a

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Speaker 1: great song, you Stuart, So no, oh, come on, I

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Speaker 1: don't know it. How do we not be here? Of

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Speaker 1: the Cats? You do? If you hear it, you'll know

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Speaker 1: it the second you hear it. Well, I love that.

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Speaker 1: It's a massive, massive radio yacht rock classic nineteen seventy six.

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Speaker 1: Then that's why we're born here. Definitely, Definitely we built

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Speaker 1: this city. We built the city on rock and roll. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but that's okay. It's really the same song. It's like

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Speaker 1: a total popum like guilty Pleasure, Yeah, super guilty pleasure song.

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Speaker 1: Next one is first concert that's easy elo for me.

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Speaker 1: It was Yellow and Dayton harr Arena and Dayton, Ohio Cool.

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Speaker 1: Mine was David Cassidy, Oh my god at hair Arena.

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Speaker 1: What about it? Who's the better cook? Oh chah, that's

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Speaker 1: a good question. Have you ever cooked rog I I

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Speaker 1: I eat. I like to eat. I do not like

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Speaker 1: to cook. I have no desire to cook. I know

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Speaker 1: that I'm a lesser human for that. I'm very aware

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Speaker 1: that that is a flaw enoughing to be proud of.

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Speaker 1: But but but Chad is a way way better. What

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Speaker 1: about first, the first celebrity crush, celebrity crush, but not

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Speaker 1: like a real one, not like one that you were

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Speaker 1: working with. Well, I guess if he was no, no,

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Speaker 1: no, no no too, I mean you know, yeah, it was.

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Speaker 1: It was like working with that. He's like he's like

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Speaker 1: Demy Moore. I mean, well, that's like when you tell

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Speaker 1: your your spouse, like you have a you get your freebie,

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Speaker 1: and I always like, but that you can't have that

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Speaker 1: freebie because that could actually happen, right right, I'm like, no,

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Speaker 1: that my freebie is never happening. You were actually have right,

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Speaker 1: you know, that can't be your freebie. My first celebrity

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Speaker 1: crush was Olivia Newton. Oh yeah, mine was Yvonne Craig,

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Speaker 1: who played Batgirl Batman Don't Sleep on Back Girl. She

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Speaker 1: was hot. I remember her. Yeah, red I think that

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Speaker 1: I think that started my thing for redheads. Yeah. The

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Speaker 1: dream is still alive? First kiss, and then we'll do

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Speaker 1: our last question. Julius Ziggler, who was playing a jitterbug

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Speaker 1: in the production of The Wizard of Oz that I

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Speaker 1: did at the Dayton Playhouse and hiding this is here. Here,

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Speaker 1: Here are the ingredients that fucked me up forever and

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Speaker 1: I chased forever starlet, young actress, hiding in the dark,

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Speaker 1: secrecy and the smell of grease paint. Oh yeah, well

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Speaker 1: I like that. All of that sounded great, right, yes,

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Speaker 1: it did. My first the first kiss I remember was

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Speaker 1: we were living in Montrose, Colorado for about six months

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Speaker 1: on our way from Dayton, Ohio, and I was in

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Speaker 1: second grade, I think first grade. A third grade or

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Speaker 1: fourth grade girl said she was going to teach me

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Speaker 1: how to how to French kiss. I don't remember her.

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Speaker 1: I don't remember her name, but I do remember her tongue.

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Speaker 1: That hell is this? Wow? Okay? Right, last question you

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Speaker 1: want to ask. It's a two part question. The first

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Speaker 1: part is if there was one thing that you could

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Speaker 1: alleviate from your brother that you think would optimize their life,

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Speaker 1: what would that be? And the second part is if

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Speaker 1: there was something that you could emulate from your brother

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Speaker 1: that you wish you had more of, or that you

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Speaker 1: uh that that you think would you know better your

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Speaker 1: own life? What would that be? Easy? This is the

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Speaker 1: easy one for me to answer, and the older I

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Speaker 1: would rather have more time to think about this one.

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Speaker 1: Chad's in the hot seat again. I know. Do you

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Speaker 1: want to go first? Go first? Internet, It's going to

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Speaker 1: go out all of the time that I would. I

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Speaker 1: would relieve my my brother of of his I want to.

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Speaker 1: I want to phrase it right because it it has

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Speaker 1: a lot of different iterations and his I would say,

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Speaker 1: second guessing of himself or hesitancy on decision making, and

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Speaker 1: and what I would like more of that he has

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Speaker 1: is easy. I would love to have his his empathy,

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Speaker 1: I would love I would love to have more more

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Speaker 1: of that. Not that I'm not empathetic, but chadlaw he

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Speaker 1: feels he cries more right, I know, I'm a crier.

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Speaker 1: I'm a crier. I'm a crier. Yeah, I cry all

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Speaker 1: the time. I cry. I just cry just when I'm

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Speaker 1: like you know what I should cry? Okay, Chad, it's

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Speaker 1: your turn. What what would I relieve? I think I

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Speaker 1: think I would relieve uh his, I think I would

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Speaker 1: And again similarly, it's hard to it's hard to say

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Speaker 1: this because it's not like a word, but I think

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Speaker 1: I would. I think I would take some of the

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Speaker 1: fracture off of my brother and his his sense of

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Speaker 1: having to be all things to all people. I would

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Speaker 1: relieve that it's almost like giving him permission to be

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Speaker 1: squawed and to be not have not not have it

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Speaker 1: all together. Not that he doesn't feel like he always does,

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Speaker 1: but there is that part where I feel like, have

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Speaker 1: you been sitting in my men's group therapy? You plug

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Speaker 1: a listening device, you have a men's Can I be

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Speaker 1: invited to that? I think there's affair talking we have

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Speaker 1: to all do and what would I what would the

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Speaker 1: other one? What would I like to get of his?

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Speaker 1: What do I want of his? Like something that you

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Speaker 1: would like to emulate? Well, I think I try. I

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Speaker 1: try to do it and do it at times. And

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Speaker 1: it's not just it's not it's kind of what you

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Speaker 1: what he was saying, like that self assuredness, the the

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Speaker 1: the and it's it's not that I'm not self assured,

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Speaker 1: it's they're the weird thing with being empathetic and also

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Speaker 1: you know, not wanting to always interject and wanting to

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Speaker 1: stay back and mind my place. And there is a

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Speaker 1: part of me though that does that, that that would

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Speaker 1: like and work to have that kind of authority. I

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Speaker 1: think that he has that Rob has is who is

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Speaker 1: more of more authority with with things in my life,

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Speaker 1: If that make sense. Yeah, yeah, Well, thank you guys.

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Speaker 1: This is really fun. This is so nice. You guys

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Speaker 1: were you guys are so damn cute together. It's just

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Speaker 1: it's just fun to be believed and amazing questions, just

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Speaker 1: so such great questions. Oh great, thank you. I I

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Speaker 1: love it. I'm glad. I'm glad we were able to

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Speaker 1: do it. This was you guys are so much fun.

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Speaker 1: We can do five hours. I know, I know. Sibling

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Speaker 1: Revelry is executive produced by Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson.

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Speaker 1: Producer is Alison President, editor is Josh Wendish. Music by

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Speaker 1: Mark Hudson a k A. Uncle Mark. If you want

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