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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Wow, Hey everybody, It's Monday, August twenty eighth, twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast, where we're saying

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Speaker 2: goodbye to our families until January.

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Speaker 1: It's me your man, MJ. Marcus Brand joined by Michael F.

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Speaker 2: Florio, and we've got an all female group of specialists.

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Speaker 2: We got Susie, we got cynth Yet we got Parker.

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Speaker 1: It's good to see you, ladies.

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Speaker 2: We're glad that you are here today. Florio, you and

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Speaker 2: I had we had a football weekend this week. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know, we have to see We got to see

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Speaker 2: next year's potential number one dynasty rookie quarterback.

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Speaker 3: It looks like my first ever really my first real

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Speaker 3: college football game I've been to, like a Hofstra game.

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Speaker 3: I don't count that, which eight exists anymore. Getting to

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Speaker 3: go out to USC with you, it was awesome. It

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Speaker 3: was a good time. They made it a little closer

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Speaker 3: than I think you would have liked early on, but

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Speaker 3: It was it was a fun time.

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Speaker 2: It was a fun time. Yeah, the defense is still

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Speaker 2: going to be on the struggle bus this year. That

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Speaker 2: was not exciting, but watching Taylor Williams do his thing

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Speaker 2: was a whole lot of fun. I'm sure we'll be

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Speaker 2: talking about him on this podcast a lot when we

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Speaker 2: get to the spring and summer next I've.

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Speaker 3: Seen Cardinals fans already daydreaming of a draft where they

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Speaker 3: get him and Marvin Harrison Junior with the top two picks. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that would be fun.

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Speaker 1: That would be amazing, right, to get your new pitching

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Speaker 2: It is certainly in the cards for the Cards. I

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Speaker 2: didn't mean to go that route, but it sort of

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Speaker 2: worked out for me. All Right, we have plenty of

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Speaker 2: stuff to talk about. We will continue our division previews.

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Speaker 2: We've got the AFC West today, so we'll dive into

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Speaker 2: those four teams.

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Speaker 1: Plus, we got a visit from Adam Levitan.

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Speaker 2: If you are at all part of Fantasy Twitter, you

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Speaker 2: are very familiar with that name. He and the guys

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Speaker 2: over it established the run do a lot of great work.

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Speaker 2: So we're gonna get his thoughts on some running backs.

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Speaker 2: That's coming up a little bit later on in the show.

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Speaker 2: But speaking of running backs, that gets us to the

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Speaker 2: top of our news segment because the Raiders and Josh

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Speaker 2: which could be worth as much as twelve million dollars.

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Speaker 2: So it seems like that this saga has come to

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Speaker 2: what one day where there were reports that he was

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Speaker 2: he tweeted something basically said that no, I'm not so

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Speaker 2: then we were sort of in a holding pattern. Now

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Speaker 3: I think he should be back to going as a

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Speaker 3: Tony Pollard, him Nick Chubb. But the second round value

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Speaker 3: want to hammer home, like take a wide receiver in

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Speaker 3: But I did a couple of drafts this weekend and

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Speaker 3: I don't know what it is, but I'm all in

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Speaker 3: I don't see why the Raiders would shy away from

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't see why either, because right now

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Speaker 1: I can sneak him into like late second, early third

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Speaker 3: It would be an I had one draft that's a

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Speaker 3: I'm a little terrified that I'm two all in on

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Speaker 2: So either way, look, if you were able to sort

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Speaker 2: we've talked about the Broncos and their wide receivers, Judy

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Speaker 2: But with him out and potentially missing week one, who

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Speaker 3: I think it's kind of everyone because he was going

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Speaker 3: we were like, if Jerry Judy's out, we could kind

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense, and I've taken

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Speaker 1: I want to get excited about Courtland Sutton. I just

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Speaker 2: Maybe it's because I expected big things from him last

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Speaker 2: year and the Broncos as a whole sort of broke

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Speaker 2: because he was already going to be starting and already

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Speaker 3: I did quickly just pull up their ADP for the

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Speaker 3: Sutton wide receiver thirty eight, Mims wide receiver fifty.

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Speaker 2: Nine, all right, which I feel is like for Mims

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Speaker 1: So we'll see. I am starting to come around on

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Speaker 2: Little bit, a little bit, which is a perfect segue

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Speaker 2: to getting us into our AFC West preview, of course,

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Speaker 2: as always alphabetical by city name, which starts us with

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Speaker 2: the Denver Broncos. Last year their top fantasy scores. Russell

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Speaker 2: Wilson was their top quarterback. He was the QB sixteen overall,

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Speaker 3: He had like two good games after they fired Nathaniel

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Speaker 2: top wide receiver just over two hundred and four Fantasy

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Speaker 2: go out and add Jared Stidham, samaj p Ryan, Tony Jones,

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Speaker 1: As we mentioned first off the board.

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Speaker 2: Right now, Jerry Judy is a four dot seven that

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Speaker 2: people are doing more drafts and we look at that

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Speaker 2: I've said this before, but I feel like we should

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Speaker 2: Russ cook or is Russ cooked? Basically a fancy way

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Speaker 2: of asking, where would you draft Russell Wilson this year?

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Speaker 3: I have him right now at QB nineteen, which I

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Speaker 3: would not be surprised if he finishes well higher than that,

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Speaker 3: maybe something like QB thirty, Because for me, I think

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Speaker 3: once you get past the top twelve quarterbacks there's a

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Speaker 3: big group of like Deck, Gino Goff, Kirk Cousins, Aaron Rodgers,

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Speaker 2: RB two now, Yeah, I like him in that low

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Speaker 2: I can get him as you know, a late twenties,

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Speaker 3: That's how I like. I have him ranked as a

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Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, Speaking of guys that are we back in on,

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Speaker 1: Are you willing to get back in on Albert Oh?

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Speaker 1: But I think I'm back in.

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Speaker 3: I'm not in. Part of me is like the reason

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Speaker 1: That was the last preseason.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, when doltchiic and Albert not Albert Oh. Adam Troutman

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Speaker 2: I mean I think realistically, like I'm sitting here saying that,

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Speaker 2: I wanted Sam Laporta. But it just doesn't make sense

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Speaker 3: Though, more of a name like to keep on your watch. So, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Then maybe stash him somewhere. But I think we can

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Speaker 2: Over to the Kansas City Chiefs, you're reigning Super Bowl champions.

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Speaker 2: Their top fantasy score, no shock at all. It was

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Speaker 1: He was your QB one.

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Speaker 2: Jerck McKinnon was the top running back in Kansas City

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Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty five point three points Wide receiver

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Speaker 2: three hundred and sixteen point three Fantasy points. In the offseason,

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Speaker 2: In free agency they did add Blaine Gabbert and Richie James.

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Speaker 3: I did not.

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Speaker 3: But to me, I still you could Darius Tony, the

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Speaker 2: Riot It's healthy, Yeah, it's it's just him staying healthy.

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Speaker 2: So like in college, I never I didn't join a fraternity.

435
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Speaker 2: It wasn't my thing, but but I made friends with

436
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Speaker 2: those people so that I could go to their parties.

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Speaker 1: I'm making friends with the sky More.

438
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Speaker 2: Hives so I can go to sky Moore Hive parties

439
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Speaker 2: in case it happens. That's sort of where I am

440
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Speaker 2: right now, is that I'm drafting him. I love the

441
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Speaker 2: fact that I can get him in the double digit rounds.

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Speaker 2: It's another situation where I make sure I have several

443
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Speaker 2: good wide receivers and then I'm taking the shot on Skymore.

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Speaker 2: Because you know you said it could be a case

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Speaker 2: where the chiefs spread it around. I think it will

446
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Speaker 2: be a case. Like I don't think there's any could

447
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Speaker 2: about it. I think you're going to have sky More

448
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Speaker 2: weeks you're gonna have Kadarius tillmy weeks. I know there's

449
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Speaker 2: a growing Rashi Rice hive where he could have one

450
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Speaker 2: or two weeks where he pops. You know, MVS is

451
00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:40,679
Speaker 2: going to have his best ball week right where he

452
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Speaker 2: catches one or two long passes and scores a touchdown.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be incredibly frustrating to have a chiefs

454
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Speaker 2: receiver in a managed league where you have to start

455
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Speaker 2: them week to week. But you know, if you guess right,

456
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Speaker 2: if you pick right, then you're gonna feel great. And

457
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Speaker 2: so I've kind of gotten to sky more route. I

458
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Speaker 2: know that people have said that he could lead them

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Speaker 2: in targets, at least at wide receiver targets. I think

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Speaker 2: lead is gonna be a relative term, you know, because

461
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Speaker 2: they're all gonna get a lot of targets there.

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Speaker 3: Just for where I take Tony, like nineteenth round, which

463
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Speaker 3: is kind of where I'm guessing that's.

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Speaker 1: Where he's going.

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Speaker 2: Like sky Moore is about you know, tenth maybe eleventh

466
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Speaker 2: round if you're lucky, but probably he's he's usually right

467
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Speaker 2: around Cader.

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Speaker 3: I do like to throw a late round if I

469
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Speaker 3: don't like if I miss out on Tony a late

470
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Speaker 3: round Darth thrown Rashid Rice just because he's so athletic

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Speaker 3: that I'm like, maybe they If any team could take

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Speaker 3: an athlete and make them productive, it is the Chiefs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, So uh now I'm kind of with you

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Speaker 2: on that similar question about the backfield.

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Speaker 1: Who is the RB one and where are you drafting him?

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Speaker 3: So the RB one is Pacheco, but I'm not drafting

477
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Speaker 3: him like he's one of my big fades this year.

478
00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,960
Speaker 3: He's gonna lead. Like right now, we're already seeing Clyde

479
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Speaker 3: Edwards Hilaire play with the ones a whole lot, and

480
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Speaker 3: we're hearing rumors that maybe they ease Pacheco wins slowly,

481
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Speaker 3: and we see three backs early on. The one that

482
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Speaker 3: I'm most interested here is Jack McKinnon because he has

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Speaker 3: a clear set role as the pass catching back. He'll

484
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Speaker 3: be in on third downs, he'll be in in two

485
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Speaker 3: minute drills, four minute drills, whatever it is, and if

486
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Speaker 3: it's like last season, he's going to be the goal

487
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Speaker 3: line back as well, because they like to pass more

488
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Speaker 3: when they get near it rather than hand it off

489
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Speaker 3: and just run up the middle. So, uh, because of that,

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Speaker 3: it is Pachecko, and you probably got to take him

491
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Speaker 3: in like the sixth round or so. But I'll take

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Speaker 3: Jack McKinnon in like the ninth or tenth.

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Speaker 1: And that's the thing.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that I've drafted much of the Chiefs

495
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Speaker 2: backfield just because where Pacheco's coming off the board. There

496
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Speaker 2: are other backs that I like around that same spot.

497
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Speaker 2: I mean, if I can, if I can get James

498
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Speaker 2: Cook in the sixth, I'm gonna do that all day.

499
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Speaker 2: I would probably draft DeAndre infact, I have drafted DeAndre

500
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Speaker 2: Swift over Isaiah Pacheck. Well, I've drafted David Montgomery over

501
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Speaker 2: Isaiah Pachecko. I'm tending to kind of hit some of

502
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Speaker 2: those types of backs in that situation, and I have

503
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Speaker 2: more confidence in them than I do like I look.

504
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Speaker 2: I like DeAndre Swift because I think he's going to

505
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 2: be more of a pass catcher, right. I like David

506
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Speaker 2: Montgomery because it's a two man backfield essentially, it's him

507
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 2: and Jamier Gibbs versus potentially a three man backfield in

508
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Speaker 2: Kansas City. James Cook looks like the RB one there

509
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Speaker 2: in Buffalo by a pretty strong margin. I would even

510
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Speaker 2: wait a couple of rounds, like I was able to

511
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Speaker 2: get Antonio Gibson in like the tenth round in a draft.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday, which is insane. Yeah, you know, I was like,

513
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Speaker 1: I didn't really want Gibson and I kept passing on him,

514
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Speaker 1: and then he comes back to it's the tenth round

515
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Speaker 1: and he's still there. I'm like, well, okay, sure, let's

516
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Speaker 1: do it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I feel the same. Like similarly, Brian Robinson

518
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Speaker 3: kind of is that is in the same light, Like

519
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Speaker 3: you're like, I don't feel great about it, but he

520
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 3: probably shouldn't still be here.

521
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Speaker 1: But at this point, like, I'm going to take the

522
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Speaker 1: shot at it and see what happens.

523
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Speaker 2: So you know, I guess if there's anybody I'm with you,

524
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Speaker 2: it's probably McKinnon. But even still at that point, you know,

525
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Speaker 2: in the double digit rounds, I'm probably taking a shot

526
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Speaker 2: at some upside wide receivers or something like that.

527
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Speaker 1: And and so, like, it's not that I'm out on

528
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Speaker 1: Chiefs running backs.

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Speaker 2: It's just that there always seems to be somebody better

530
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Speaker 2: right around the spot that people are taking those guys.

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Speaker 2: So Travis Kelce has been the tight end that has

532
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Speaker 2: ruled our lives for the better part of the last

533
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Speaker 2: five years. If he is not the tight end one

534
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Speaker 2: this year. Who knocks him off the perch.

535
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Speaker 3: Probably injuries, But if it's an actual player, it's gonna

536
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Speaker 3: be Darren Waller, which I if you've listened to this podcast,

537
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Speaker 3: it's no surprise. I think people would probably say Mark

538
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Speaker 3: Andrews or TJ. Hockinson. But Mark Andrews has more target

539
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 3: competition than ever. I think you can make a case

540
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Speaker 3: that TJ. Hockinson does as well, whereas Darren Waller is

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Speaker 3: going to be the player that that entire Giants passing

542
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Speaker 3: game revolves around. We saw it in the preseason. I

543
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Speaker 3: keep saying it. If Waller stays healthy, the only tight

544
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Speaker 3: end I think that sees more volume than him is

545
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Speaker 3: Travis Kelcey, and there's a case to be made. I

546
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Speaker 3: would say where Waller could maybe even see even more targets.

547
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Speaker 3: So I still think it Travis kelce like that's the

548
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Speaker 3: heaviest favorite ever. But if it's not, might tight end

549
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Speaker 3: two is Darren Moore.

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Speaker 2: Yeah no, I'm with you on that because I'm looking

551
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Speaker 2: at the guys, Like you said, Mark Andrews has more

552
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 2: target competition and what could be a more vertical passing

553
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,120
Speaker 2: game this year, And I don't remember who I apologize.

554
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 2: I know somebody on Twitter put out the fact that

555
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,880
Speaker 2: last year t J. Hawkinson sort of thrived on volume

556
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Speaker 2: once he got to Minnesota, and that's volume that might

557
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 2: not be there because Jordan Addison is now in the

558
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 2: mix to get some targets, George Kittle is banged up.

559
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,679
Speaker 2: It has multiple responsibilities besides just pass catching. Dallas Goddard

560
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 2: has to contend with a couple of top level wide receivers.

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Speaker 2: Kyle Pitts. We're still breaking in a quarterback there. I mean,

562
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Speaker 2: so Darren Waller seems like the only guy that has

563
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Speaker 2: a real run at it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I guess Andrews too. I shouldn't. I shouldn't

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Speaker 1: just discount him, But.

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Speaker 2: Chances are it's gonna be Travis Kelsey when it's all

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Speaker 4: How are things hey, It's going well. I'm excited for

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Speaker 1: Yeah, man, you guys are over to established the run.

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Speaker 2: Evan Silva, Mike Leoni, Drew Dinkbi are a whole lot of

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Speaker 1: Excited to get you on, and we wanted to come

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Speaker 1: pick your brain about a thing that I think is

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Speaker 1: vexing all of us across fantasy and that is the

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Speaker 1: committee backfield situation.

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Speaker 2: It's a thing that over the years we've accepted as life.

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Speaker 2: We've tried to figure out how best to navigate it.

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Speaker 2: For you, when you look at a team that's looking

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Speaker 2: to rotate multiple backs, do you have a particular strategy

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Speaker 2: for how you attack that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think people are afraid of ambiguity. In other words,

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Speaker 4: they don't know exactly how things are going to shake out,

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Speaker 4: and they get paralyzed and it really moves things down

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Speaker 4: the draft board a lot on a lot of these guys,

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Speaker 4: And you know, I think Brian Robinson and Antonio Gibson

618
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Speaker 4: is a great example. People don't know exactly how it's

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Speaker 4: going to shake out, so they're just like, I'm not

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Speaker 4: gonna take either.

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Speaker 1: I don't want.

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Speaker 4: I don't want either one, and I think that's a

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Speaker 4: mistake that people make because all these backfields, if they're

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Speaker 4: not ambiguous in Week one, almost all of them are

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Speaker 4: going to become ambiguous at some point this year. And

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Speaker 4: that's just the way it is right now. And I

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Speaker 4: think leaning into that is something that I try to do.

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Speaker 4: And so taking the second half of a committee Zach

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Speaker 4: sharbonay Aj Dillon, Brian Robinson, perhaps that's kind of the

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Speaker 4: cheaper option, I think is where I try to land

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Speaker 4: mostly in these committee situations.

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Speaker 3: What happens when it's like a three man committee, is

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Speaker 3: that something you avoid or is there anything in these

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Speaker 3: backfields that stands out as like a something a red

635
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Speaker 3: flag something you would avoid?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the two down pounders are the hard ones.

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Speaker 4: And I know I mentioned Brian Robinson and he might

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Speaker 4: be a two down pounder type. I think that trying

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Speaker 4: to avoid the part of the backfield where they only

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Speaker 4: get you spike weeks if they score touchdowns, that's a

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Speaker 4: really hard one for me. And so the guys who

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00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 4: have a chance to catch passes, the guys who are

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Speaker 4: explosive that can break off a sixty yard run. I mean,

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Speaker 4: I know it's an extreme example, but I would never

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Speaker 4: draft Ezekiel Elliott, right, He's so touchdown dependent he's never

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Speaker 4: going to break a long run. I know no one

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Speaker 4: else wants to draft is Ego Elliot either, But my

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Speaker 4: point is that people were downgrading Ramondre Stevenson too much.

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Speaker 4: I think when they don't understand the carries that Reminder

650
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Speaker 4: Stevenson's going to lose to Zeke aren't worth that much.

651
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Speaker 4: First and ten from your own twenty. I don't care,

652
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 4: it's not worth that much.

653
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 3: Give it to Zeke.

654
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 4: I want Remindre to catch the ball. I want him

655
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 4: to have the ball around the goal line. And so

656
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 4: I think that's an important part when looking at committees.

657
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 2: Well, I know selfishly that makes me feel better about

658
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 2: these shares of Remandre that I have drafted throughout the offseason.

659
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 1: Not that I was supremely.

660
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 2: Worried about Zeke, but but it definitely makes me feel

661
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 2: a little bit better to kind of have that validation

662
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 2: a little bit.

663
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 1: I think, you know, if we're looking at some of

664
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 1: them too.

665
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 2: I look at a team like say the Kansas City Chiefs, Right,

666
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 2: you talk about guys who are two down pounders.

667
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 1: I don't know that they have one of those.

668
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 2: When you look at say, Isaiah Pacheco, Jerrick mckennaon and

669
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 2: Clyde Edwards Hilaire.

670
00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: This is a team that we want pieces of this

671
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: off from. But it just seems like when it comes

672
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: to ambiguity, the Chiefs backfield seems to have it in spades.

673
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: I don't know how you what you've looked at, or

674
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: who you feel like is maybe the safest option out

675
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: of this group.

676
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 4: I actually think it's still Pachecko, and the reason is

677
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 4: his price has come down. He's been coming off of

678
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 4: that labor injury, off the wrist injury, getting back in

679
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 4: practice right now, and that's kept his ADP down. I

680
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 4: think they don't want to play Clyde Edwards Ailaire. I

681
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 4: know Clydehird Zilaire has been running with the first team.

682
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 4: That's because Derek Prince has not played well. That's because

683
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 4: Jack McKinnon is only a third down back, only a

684
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 4: pass down back. I think Isaiah Pachecko will be the

685
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 4: feature back for this team.

686
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 1: Now.

687
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 4: How valuable is that? Because we know McKinnon is playing

688
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 4: a bunch around the goal line. We know McKinnon is

689
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 4: playing on all passing downs, it's not extremely valuable, but

690
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 4: getting a piece of the Chiefs offense every week that's

691
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 4: going to touch the ball between ten and fifteen times,

692
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 4: like I think Isaiah Pachecko will that would be my

693
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 4: favorite there at cost and you can get Pachecko eighth,

694
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 4: ninth round, no problem, now, I mean people really do

695
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 4: not want to draft him.

696
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 3: And you talk about wanting pieces of a great offense.

697
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 3: The Eagles last year where arguably I would say, the

698
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 3: best rushing attack in football. But this year, is it

699
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 3: DeAndre Swift, Rashod Penny, Kenny Gain Well, it is hard

700
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 3: to figure out right now. Is there any that sent

701
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 3: out to you in that Philly backfields?

702
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 4: Well, I would say that getting this right the Philly backfield,

703
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 4: to me is one of the most important parts of

704
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 4: fantasy this year. Not only will they run the ball

705
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 4: extremely efficiently this year, but they play the Arizona Cardinals

706
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 4: in Week seventeen, Fantasy Championship Week. Obviously that's going to

707
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 4: be a really good spot for all their running backs.

708
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 4: My take has been that Rashad Penny will lead the

709
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 4: team on bass downs, DeAndre Swift will lead the team

710
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 4: on passing downs, and also playing base and Kenny game

711
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 4: Weell will be the backup to both and playing the

712
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 4: two minut in forour minute that. I have been shook

713
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 4: a little bit on that take during training camp because

714
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 4: we've gotten a ton of reports that Rashot Penny has

715
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 4: been mixing with Trey Sermons some I don't buy that

716
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,239
Speaker 4: that much, but I've backed off Penny a little bit

717
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 4: and I've gotten a little bit higher on Swift because

718
00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 4: if you do think that Swift takes a bunch of

719
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 4: base work, and that's certainly possible combined with his pass

720
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 4: catching ability, I mean that's an absolute smash. I still

721
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 4: think Kenny Gamewell is a fine late round pick fourteen fifteen,

722
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 4: sixteenth round. He's been going twelve or thirteen though that's

723
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 4: been a pass for me on Kenny Gamewell. So when

724
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 4: DeAndre Swift gets into the eighties or so, I think

725
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 4: it's worth the bet now on upside. And I wasn't

726
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 4: saying that, you know, a month ago. I'm getting a

727
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 4: little queezy on for Shot Penny.

728
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny you mentioned that.

729
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 2: I was listening, you know, the folks over at the

730
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 2: Athletic Robert Mays, who does a great show over there

731
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 2: was talking with Bo Wolf, and one of the things

732
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 2: Wolf said was he really believes that they want Swift

733
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 2: to be the guy, but he just has this sneaking

734
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 2: suspicion that Kenny Gaine was going to be the guy

735
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 2: who ends up playing a lot of snaps just because

736
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 2: the injury history of the other two guys ahead of

737
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 2: him has been sort of sketchy. I know that's not

738
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 2: a thing that we can sort of predict. I mean

739
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 2: when you talk about that, right when you look at

740
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 2: guys who have a sketchy injury history, a Rashot Penny,

741
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 2: a DeAndre Swift, do you let that sway you at

742
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 2: all when you're making your decisions.

743
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 4: So the poster boy for this this last year was

744
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 4: Christian McCaffrey. Everybody assumed Christian McCaffrey was going to get hurt.

745
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 4: There was nothing in Christian McCaffrey's injury history that suggested

746
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 4: he's more likely to get hurt than anyone else. He

747
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 4: also had shown an ability to be a workhorse before

748
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 4: going back to college. Christian McCaffrey was touching involve three

749
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 4: hundred and fifty times first couple of years in the NFL.

750
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 4: He held up to that workload, no problem. I think

751
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 4: the concern on Penny and Swift is that they've never

752
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 4: shown an ability to hold up to a big workload,

753
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 4: and so they start to have accumulation of injuries and

754
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 4: we've never seen them actually do it, even going all

755
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 4: the way back to the beginning of their career and

756
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 4: in college.

757
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: So yeah, I get it.

758
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 4: I don't not in the business of projecting guys to

759
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 4: miss games, but I think that can certainly be part

760
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 4: of the gainwell thesis. Hey, maybe I'd reach for game

761
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 4: one round thirteen because I think Swift or Penny is

762
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 4: going to get hurt. If you wanted to say that,

763
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 4: that's something I would do personally, but I would not

764
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 4: hate you for it.

765
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 3: Speaking of a backfield that's been tough to figure out,

766
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 3: and one that every time a running back becomes available,

767
00:33:58,200 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 3: people are like, why don't they just go to Miami?

768
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 3: But as up right now, it is still Raheem Moster,

769
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 3: Jeff Wilson Junior, and devon a chain. I'm like you,

770
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 3: I go for whichever one is cheapest, and that seems

771
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 3: to have been Rahee Moster and Jeff Wilson for much

772
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,320
Speaker 3: of the summer. But now those guys are starting to

773
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 3: get pulled up the board a bit. Which of the

774
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 3: Dolphins running backs are are you targeting in your drafts?

775
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 3: If any?

776
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, So Divine A Chain not only was struggling to

777
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 4: move up to depth chart, only played one snap with

778
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 4: the starters in the second preseason game and was playing

779
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 4: on special teams, played into the fourth quarter. He also

780
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 4: hurt his shoulder, and so that's gonna kind of throw

781
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 4: a ranch into early season production for Devin A Chain,

782
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 4: And that's why you see Moster and Jeff Wilson rising

783
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 4: on the boards. You know, Raheem Moster, it's been in

784
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 4: league a long time. He's thirty one years old. I

785
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 4: like him. I think he's really explosive. The chances of

786
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 4: him holding up for seventeen games, I mean, I know,

787
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 4: I just said I don't like to predict injuries.

788
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 1: It just seems so so so low to me.

789
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 4: So if you take Raheem Mostert, I think he'll be

790
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 4: very efficient early in the season, splitting with Jeff Wilson,

791
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 4: and I think that's all. Von Ahmed will be in

792
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 4: the mix as well. There if A Chain can't play, so, yeah,

793
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 4: would be most It would be my preferred but Jeff

794
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 4: Wilson not much, not too far behind at all. We

795
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 4: have them very very close in the rankings and on

796
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 4: the A chain stuff. Yeah, I mean it's scary at

797
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 4: this point. I can't really project a chain for any

798
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 4: early season work, like in September, if you might have

799
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 4: to eat a zero on a chain, and that's tough

800
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 4: to stomach. I think for a lot of people, I'm

801
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 4: somewhat optimistic on late season production for a chain, but

802
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 4: it would take a bit of a parlay there, and

803
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 4: so a chain's kind of moved back for me to

804
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 4: a late round flyer more than a priority pick in

805
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 4: round ten or eleven.

806
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 2: First off, that's I think that's the first time I've

807
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 2: heard somebody speak Savon Achamed's name out loud in a

808
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 2: good few months. But I have sorder with you on

809
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 2: that backfield. You talk about projecting, how much did it

810
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 2: hurt your heart to see Dalvin Cook go to the Jets,

811
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,399
Speaker 2: because you're talking about you know, we all love Breize Hall.

812
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 2: You know Dalvin Cook still looks like he has some

813
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 2: some gas left in the tank. You know, how much

814
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 2: did did it sort of mess with your projection seeing

815
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 2: those two guys now potentially share or not potentially but

816
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,439
Speaker 2: actually sharing a backfield in New York.

817
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, this one's complicated, really complicated. I am of the

818
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 4: belief that Aaron Rodgers made this happen. He took a

819
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 4: thirty five million dollar pay cut. He said, I have

820
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 4: a running back that I've only seen for four games

821
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 4: in my life coming off in acl tear, and you

822
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 4: guys want this to be the guy with me. No,

823
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 4: I took a thirty five million dollar play check. You

824
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 4: go get me, Dalvin Cook. I think the coaches and

825
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 4: the Jets knew that Brees Hall is a better player

826
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 4: at this point in their respective careers than Dalvin Cook.

827
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 4: And I know that gets people hot and bothered. I

828
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 4: know that drives people crazy. I don't think people realize

829
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 4: how good Briestall is and Dalvin Cook. I agree, Dalvin Cook,

830
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 4: I think is fine. But I definitely think on the

831
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 4: downslope of his career, we've gotten tons of reports from

832
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 4: Jets camp now that brees Hall looks good. He's back,

833
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 4: he's cutting, he's running twenty twenty one, twenty two miles

834
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 4: an hour. I still think that when it comes down

835
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 4: to it and Breeshall outplays Dalvin Cook, that Aaron Rodgers like, fine,

836
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 4: kid is awesome. So I've been taking the discount on

837
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 4: Brice Hall in round five. I can't say that I'm

838
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 4: not like a little bit scared about it that Aaron

839
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 4: Rodgers is just going to make this a mess for me.

840
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 4: But I'm taking the gamble on Breeze Hall in round five.

841
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with the same thing you said. I

842
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 3: think Aaron Rodgers was like, get me, Dalvin Cook. He

843
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,399
Speaker 3: was not watching Iowa State games. I can guarantee that

844
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 3: you were talking about the Commander's backfield earlier. And we

845
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 3: saw them play the entire first half with the starters

846
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 3: this past week in the preseason, but we didn't get

847
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 3: a whole lot of answers. The snaps were close to

848
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 3: fifty to fifty. Robinson had these slight edge and carries

849
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 3: and targets, but Gibson saw the goal on work. To me,

850
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 3: this is a very muddled backfield. But what is your

851
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 3: read on it?

852
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think people have given up on Brian Robinson

853
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 4: because he didn't play great last year. He also got

854
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,479
Speaker 4: shot in the leg, you know, a few weeks before

855
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 4: the season, you know, And so I'm not ready to

856
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 4: say that Brian Robinson isn't good now. He didn't have

857
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 4: the most explosive profile coming out, But NFL coaches all

858
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 4: times look towards reliability more than explosion at the running

859
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 4: back position. And so as much as I think Antonio

860
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 4: Gibson is a better player, I think the coaches are

861
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 4: actually going to lean towards Brian Robinson a lot of

862
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 4: these high leverage situations. Obviously, Antonio Gibson is a much much,

863
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 4: much better pass catcher, and that is a big deal.

864
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 4: So these guys go really close to each other in

865
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,839
Speaker 4: half PPR. I've been leaning Brian Robinson if I need

866
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 4: more like stable, boring work on a team. Maybe I

867
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 4: took some risks early. I just want to get like

868
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 4: eight nine points a week out of my running back.

869
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 4: I think that's Brian Robinson for upside. I think it's

870
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,760
Speaker 4: Antonio Gibson. And yeah, that's a tough one to parse

871
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 4: for sure, but I think we have some idea on

872
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 4: roles here. And I know the goal line stuff went

873
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 4: to Gibson in that first game. In that game on

874
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 4: whatever night that was preseason week two. I think you're

875
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 4: in the regular season, Brian Robinson is far more likely

876
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 4: to get goal line work.

877
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 2: I will say that I've probably drafted him about equally.

878
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 2: I feel like early in draft season I got really

879
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 2: hyped about Antonio Gibson. Then I sort of went, like

880
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 2: you mentioned, stored a little bit conservative and kind of

881
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 2: with Brian Robinson, and now I think about fifty to

882
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 2: fifty on them. You mentioned talking about the Seahawks that

883
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 2: you were big on on Zach Sharbonay. I, even as

884
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 2: a USC lump, can can get behind drafting Zach Sharboney

885
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,280
Speaker 2: this year. But I started want to ask you because philosophically,

886
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 2: it feels like Pete Carroll might be changing what he

887
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 2: wants to do.

888
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: Right.

889
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 2: They went all in on Gino Smith, they draft Jackson

890
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 2: Smith and Jigba. Maybe they won't be the run heavy

891
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 2: team that they have been in the past, especially when

892
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 2: you have to compete with teams like the forty nine

893
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 2: ers in the NFC West. Does that change how you

894
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 2: feel about the Seahawks backfield, thinking that maybe the Seahawks

895
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 2: might be a little bit more pass happy than in

896
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 2: past years.

897
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 4: I think they want to. You know, this JSN injury

898
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 4: is not good, and I know people are kind of

899
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 4: brushing it off with their wrist thing. I think they

900
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 4: wanted to come out the year with a ton of

901
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 4: three wide receiver sets. Obviously they didn't do that a

902
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 4: ton last year. I think yeah. I think generally Phil

903
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 4: Pete Carroll has been labeled as a boomer who just

904
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 4: wants to run the ball too much. I just think

905
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 4: Kim and Russ Wilson kind of buttoned heads on philosophy

906
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 4: and how to play the quarterback position. And now that

907
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 4: he has Geno, who seems to be maybe following the

908
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 4: game plan more and not going off script as much

909
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 4: as Russ Wilson does, seems to fit what the Seahawks

910
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 4: want to do on offense better. So yeah, I definitely

911
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 4: think they want to be pass heavy when JSN is

912
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 4: out there. The Walker Verus sharbon Ay thing is so

913
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,760
Speaker 4: interesting because for fantasy I think Kenneth Walker is awesome.

914
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, I know he takes a lot

915
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 4: of tackles in the backfield. I know he doesn't get

916
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 4: a lot on success rate, and that's why Seattle was frustrated.

917
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 4: Guy makes big plays man fifty sixty yard runs, seventy

918
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 4: yard touchdowners, and that's what I want in fantasy. So

919
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 4: I can break the week for me Sharbonae. I think

920
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 4: it will be a bit more consistent. He'll play on

921
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 4: pass downs. Obviously he has the contingent upside. So yeah,

922
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 4: I mean Kenneth Walker in round five I think is okay.

923
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 4: Zach Sharboney in round eleven or twelve is an awesome pick.

924
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: I think.

925
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you on that one as well, And

926
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:54,919
Speaker 3: it seems like we both like to try to find

927
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 3: the discounts here. I want to ask you what are

928
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 3: you doing with the disgruntled running backs like Jonathan Taylor

929
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 3: and Josh Jacobs because to me, getting them in like

930
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 3: round three feels like a huge buying opportunity, but there

931
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 3: is a lot of risk tied to them as well.

932
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 3: How are you hands off with them or are you

933
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 3: trying to get them on your teams right now? Yeah?

934
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 3: Good question. This has been a struggle.

935
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 4: My first take is that I'm concerned about Jonathan Taylor

936
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 4: on field, Like, remove all of the off field, all

937
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 4: the contract stuff. I'm concerned about on field production for

938
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 4: Jonathan Taylor because he needs touchdowns and needs to catch

939
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 4: the football and touchdowns on this offense, we're gonna get

940
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 4: a lot of toush push with Anthony Richardson, and the

941
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 4: team could flat out be bad and not scored very

942
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 4: many touchdowns.

943
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 1: I have concerns there.

944
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,320
Speaker 4: I also have concerns in the past game, JT was

945
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 4: already getting taken off the field on third downs for

946
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 4: this team. Now you have Anthony Richardson, who projects have

947
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 4: a really low target rate at running back and somewhat inaccurate.

948
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 4: So I was worried about JT. Anyways, I've been letting

949
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 4: the other people take him. Jacobs is harder because A

950
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 4: I don't know for sure he's gonna come back. I

951
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 4: know there's been reports out of Vegas he will be back.

952
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 4: I think that's the most like Lee scenario. My other

953
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 4: concern is he handled an outrageous amount of the running

954
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 4: back touches last year, like unheard of stuff. Are we

955
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 4: sure he's gonna do that again? And I have systemic

956
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 4: risk around the Raiders. We've already heard Devonte Adams say, Hey,

957
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 4: I'm worried about the offense, et cetera, et cetera. This

958
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 4: could be a total dumpster fire. So I think Jacobs

959
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 4: is probably worth the risk in the middle of round

960
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,240
Speaker 4: three or so, but he's been going kind of before

961
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 4: that ever since the recent reports, and I'm okay with

962
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 4: letting other people take him too.

963
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 2: I just want to ask a philosophical question here, because

964
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 2: you know, obviously the devaluing of running backs has been

965
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 2: a big story throughout the summer.

966
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,359
Speaker 1: And it seems like in fantasy it's starting to follow suit.

967
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,359
Speaker 2: Right a lot of drafts are you're seeing a lot

968
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 2: of wide receivers going in the first round, not as

969
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:43,720
Speaker 2: many running backs.

970
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: Do we hit a tipping point here? Or is it?

971
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 2: Are we gonna see see a point where we have,

972
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 2: you know, say, ten wide receivers and two running backs

973
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 2: in the first round.

974
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 1: Is that where we're heading in fantasy drafts? Yeah?

975
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 4: To me, it's not about the first round or the

976
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 4: second round, because the running backs that go there are

977
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 4: tiply really good bets like Christian McCaffrey, Austin Eckler, Bijeon Robinson,

978
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 4: Tony Pollard, Saquon Barkley, Nick Chubb. I mean, all these

979
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 4: guys to me are good bets. It's the bets in

980
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 4: the middle rounds that are to me are not comparable

981
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 4: to the wide receiver positions. So when I can get

982
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 4: David Montgomery, Brian Robinson, Antonio Gibson, Zach Sharbona, Jalen Warren,

983
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 4: all these kind of guys later, I'm just hammering the

984
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:27,839
Speaker 4: other positions wide receiver, tight end, quarterback through the middle rounds,

985
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:29,760
Speaker 4: and to me, that's been the way to play fantasy

986
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 4: for a long time. I think the market is catching

987
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 4: up now and we're seeing a ton ton ton more

988
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 4: people prioritize wide receiver through the middle rounds. So to

989
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 4: answer the question, though, I think that running back will

990
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 4: still be a big, big, big part of rounds one

991
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 4: and rounds two for the next foreseeable future. It's those

992
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,479
Speaker 4: middle rounds where I think we're going to see fewer

993
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 4: and fewer running backs go well.

994
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 2: Definitely looking forward to seeing what happens this season and

995
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 2: always keeping an eye on kind of what is happening

996
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 2: in the future. Adam Levittane you can find him over

997
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 2: Established the Run, find him on x Twitter x at

998
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 2: Adam Levittan as well. Did we appreciate your time, appreciate

999
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 2: your insight, and enjoy the season man.

1000
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 1: Best of luck this.

1001
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 4: Year, Hey, good luck, have a great year, guys.

1002
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:16,439
Speaker 1: Thank you, thanks again to Adam Levitan for stopping by.

1003
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 2: Always good stuff and if you haven't already, go check

1004
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 2: out those guys at establish the run. It's him, Evan Silva,

1005
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:26,760
Speaker 2: Mike Leoni, Drew Dinkmeyer and many many more really smart

1006
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 2: people doing a lot of really good work over there.

1007
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 2: Back to our AFC West Rundown that takes us to

1008
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:34,720
Speaker 2: Las Vegas.

1009
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 1: And the Raiders. Derek Carr last year your top quarterback

1010
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 1: in Vegas.

1011
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,760
Speaker 2: QB seventeen overall two hundred and thirty three and change

1012
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 2: Fantasy points wise, Josh Jacobs was the RB three, but

1013
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 2: the RB one in your Heart and Silver and Black

1014
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 2: three hundred and twenty eight point three points. Dvante Adams

1015
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 2: three hundred and thirty five and a half points. He

1016
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 2: was wide receiver three. Your top tight ends. Foster Moreau

1017
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 2: is actually your top Raiders tight end.

1018
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: Last year. He was tight ended eighty five.

1019
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 2: Point two points, four tenths of a point better than

1020
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 2: Darren Waller, who was tied in thirty one. Of course,

1021
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:10,839
Speaker 2: Waller missed a significant amount of time with injury last year,

1022
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:14,320
Speaker 2: so that's what kept his numbers down. In the offseason,

1023
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 2: the Raiders lost quite a bit in free agency. Derek Carr,

1024
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 2: Jarrett Stidham, mccollins, Darren Waller, Foster Moreau all leaving Las

1025
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 2: Vegas much like a Nicholas Cage film. And their additions

1026
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 2: in free agency. They bring in Jimmy Garoppolo. Jimmy g

1027
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 2: goes from the Niners to the Raiders. They got Brian Hoyer,

1028
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 2: Jakobe Myers because Josh McDaniels is trying to recreate the Patriots.

1029
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 2: They had Cam Simms, DeAndre Carter, Phillip Dorset again Patriots,

1030
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 2: Oj Howard, and Austin Hooper because I guess you can't

1031
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 2: have too many tight ends. Speaking of which, they drafted

1032
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 2: Michael Mayer out of Notre Dame. They get Trey Tucker

1033
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 2: and Aidan O'Connell, who actually played very well at quarterback

1034
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 2: during the preseason for the Raiders. First guy off the

1035
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 2: board in silver and black right now it is DeVante

1036
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 2: Adams at the two dot four. I think as of

1037
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 2: the moment, Josh Jacob's going four or five picks after him.

1038
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 2: Who knows this time next week that could flip and

1039
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 2: be Josh Jacobs going ahead of him. DeVante Adams is

1040
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 2: He's good at football. That's the thing we have learned

1041
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 2: over the years. Any worries about him though, with a

1042
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 2: new quarterback, He's gone from Aaron Rodgers to his college

1043
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 2: BFF and Derek Carr. Now he's got Jimmy G any

1044
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 2: worries about his production with Garoppolo.

1045
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 3: Yes, I know some people listening might be like, oh,

1046
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 3: Jimmy G Derek Carr, they're both like average quarterbacks whatever,

1047
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 3: but their play style is very different, and Jimmy G

1048
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 3: has been maybe it's a Kyle Shanahan forty nine ers thing.

1049
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 3: We have yet to see him play elsewhere, but he

1050
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 3: has been extremely dependent on his receivers picking up yards

1051
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:52,280
Speaker 3: after the catch. Routinely, over half his yards are after

1052
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 3: the catch instead of him actually throwing for them. DeVante

1053
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 3: Adams since twenty eighteen, only forty percent of his yards

1054
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 3: have come on that Jimmy G on deep passes just

1055
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 3: eleven percent of his yards and sixteen percent of his

1056
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 3: touchdowns on twenty four plus air yard passes, whereas for

1057
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:11,720
Speaker 3: DeVante Adams at number four yards and touchdowns sits around

1058
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 3: thirty percent. So it is something that we have never seen.

1059
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 3: DeVante Adams have to play this style because anytime you

1060
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 3: hear people talk about Devontae Adams, what you hear is

1061
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,800
Speaker 3: how great he is is downfield threat that he keeps

1062
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 3: his arms in to his body until the last possible

1063
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 3: second to kind of manipulate the defender. He's amazing at it.

1064
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 3: Jimmy G not so much so. To me. The worry

1065
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 3: is it's we're now either gonna ask Jimmy G to

1066
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,720
Speaker 3: do something he's never really done, We're gonna ask Devantae

1067
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:43,280
Speaker 3: Adams to do something he's never done, or realistically probably

1068
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,399
Speaker 3: a little bit of both. But that being said, when

1069
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 3: I was like worried about him, I wrote an article

1070
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 3: about it back in like May, and I was like, yeah,

1071
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 3: I would push him behind like CD Lamb, behind AJ Brown.

1072
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 3: Now he's routinely going behind those guys behind Garrett Wilson,

1073
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 3: behind him, Monross, Saint Brown. So at cost, I think

1074
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 3: Davante Adams deserves to be going where he is, and

1075
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 3: like at wide Receiver ten, I'm fine taking him at

1076
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 3: that price.

1077
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: And I think that's sort of what happens.

1078
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 2: Everybody sort of has those concerns about what it's going

1079
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 2: to be with him and Garoppolo and the ADP kind

1080
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 2: of reflects it.

1081
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: And look, let's let's not.

1082
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:18,760
Speaker 2: Get it confused here, right when we say we're worried

1083
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 2: about Davonte Adams He's not falling off a cliff, right, Nobody.

1084
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 1: Nobody's sitting here, Nobody sitting.

1085
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 2: Here saying, hey man, Davante Adams is a wide receiver too,

1086
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 2: now like nobody believes that. But you know, the idea

1087
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 2: of us drafting him as a top five wide receiver.

1088
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: I think people just have concerns this year.

1089
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 2: Uh, just because you know, Garoppolo, as you mentioned, a

1090
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 2: different sort of quarterback and how he delivers the ball,

1091
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 2: what sort of of routes they're using Adams on, you know,

1092
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 2: has people a little bit worried the volume is still

1093
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,760
Speaker 2: going to be there though, which is the next question.

1094
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 2: Is there a wide receiver in Vegas you want not

1095
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 2: named Davonte Adams?

1096
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:59,919
Speaker 3: Nope. I guess Jacoby Myers maybe could be a thing

1097
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 3: hunter Renfro to me, these are better real life players

1098
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 3: for the Raiders than for fantasy. I could see those

1099
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 3: two cannibalizing each other because they're very similar style of players.

1100
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 3: They both operate better in the slot. I do think

1101
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 3: Myers is better than Renfro, but I have concern over

1102
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 3: how much volume he's gonna see, so he, to me,

1103
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 3: is one of those later round picks that's much more

1104
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 3: of a safe floor. And my whole approach leaden draft

1105
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 3: is I want as much upside as I could possibly get.

1106
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 3: That's the thing.

1107
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 2: Myers and Renfro are both guys where like, yeah, I mean,

1108
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:32,280
Speaker 2: I guess they're fine.

1109
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:33,439
Speaker 1: They'll hold you over.

1110
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 2: If look, if you need five points a game, then

1111
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 2: those are your guys. Yes, if you need five to

1112
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 2: seven points a game, then Jacoby Myers, Hunter Renfro like

1113
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 2: have at it. But like you said, if you're going

1114
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 2: late in the draft, I would rather swing for upside

1115
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 2: on guys. And it's like you look at their wide

1116
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 2: receiver core and it's just it's a whole bunch of

1117
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 2: those guys, right, It's Myers, It's Hunter, Renfro, Philip Dorsett,

1118
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 2: de Andre Carter, Keelan cole Can Sims. I mean, it's

1119
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 2: just a whole lot of guys that are like, you know,

1120
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 2: they're five to seven point guys and they're not gonna

1121
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 2: get you excited, and they're just gonna you know, if

1122
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 2: you pick him up, they're at a clog spots on

1123
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,760
Speaker 2: your roster. You could be taking swings at rookies somewhere

1124
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 2: along the line that maybe have some more upside.

1125
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 1: This year.

1126
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 2: Speaking of rookies with upside, Michael Mayer, guy who set

1127
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 2: records for tight ends at Notre Dame as a pass catcher.

1128
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 2: Will he be fantasy relevant this year on a team

1129
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 2: that really they were collecting tight ends like Pokemon cards

1130
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 2: this offseason.

1131
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 3: I think he will be later in the season. I

1132
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 3: think it might be slow starting for him, but I

1133
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 3: could see him carving out a role, especially if they

1134
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 3: opt to use him like they used Darren Waller last year,

1135
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:45,959
Speaker 3: which is you're not gonna get as much volume because

1136
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 3: obviously there's like DeVante Adams there, but to make up

1137
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 3: for that, we're gonna use you a little bit more downfield,

1138
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 3: and Waller kind of struggled a little bit his efficiency

1139
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 3: went down there. But if Mayor the young athletic, you know,

1140
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 3: pretty explosive tight, if you could use him in that

1141
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 3: sort of role where he could gain yards and chunks,

1142
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 3: I think he could late in the season be like

1143
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,320
Speaker 3: someone that we're talking about maybe in the Sleeper article

1144
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 3: or something like that.

1145
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think Michael Mayer could sort of

1146
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 2: have a season similar to what we saw from Greg

1147
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 2: Dulsch last year. It was a little bit different because

1148
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 2: Dulsach was hurt at the start of the year, but

1149
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 2: when he came in, they kind of gave him a

1150
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 2: role and he had some big games, some kind of

1151
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 2: chunk play games there, and I think that's gonna sort

1152
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 2: of be Michael Mayor this year. Oj Howard they released

1153
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 2: him not long after signing him, but Austin Hooper is

1154
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 2: still there, and you know, for what it's worth right now,

1155
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 2: is the number one on the depth chart. You know,

1156
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 2: we've seen Jessper Horstaed occasionally have some nice games when

1157
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 2: he was with the Bears, So I think I'm with

1158
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 2: you that it's not gonna be Mayor right away, but

1159
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 2: I can see late in the season him being relevant.

1160
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:52,240
Speaker 1: I could see him. Look, he's a really good late round.

1161
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 2: Best ball pick right because he could have some nice

1162
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 2: games along the way and you don't have to worry

1163
00:51:56,520 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 2: about when to start him or anything like that. Part

1164
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 2: of what a really deep crop. We kept talking about

1165
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 2: how deep this rookie wide rookie tight end group is.

1166
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 2: I mean, with Dalton Kincaid and Sam Laporta. Michael Mayer

1167
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 2: was one of those guys.

1168
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 3: He was like at the top of it early on.

1169
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was I think the other guys surpassed him

1170
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:22,399
Speaker 2: mostly because of situations that they landed in. I mean,

1171
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:26,320
Speaker 2: Kincaid goes to Buffalo in a really high powered offense

1172
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 2: with a chance to compete for snaps right away.

1173
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 1: Sam Laporta goes to Detroit, where they.

1174
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 2: Threw the ball a lot last year, and there are

1175
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 2: really no tight ends that are going to challenge in

1176
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 2: for snaps mayor at least has competition. I mean, Austin

1177
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 2: Hooper might not be a Fantasy relevant player, but he's

1178
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 2: good enough to be on the field, and the Raiders

1179
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 2: probably aren't gonna score as many points as the other

1180
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 2: two teams.

1181
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 3: I can completely see this being like, please stop using Austin.

1182
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: Hooper, stop losing Auston Hooper, and you're killing Bess McDaniels.

1183
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 1: Leave Austin Hooper on the bench.

1184
00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 2: Finally, we'll go to the Los Angeles Charger and you

1185
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:02,320
Speaker 2: you are all.

1186
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 3: In the Chargers this year? What can go wrong?

1187
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 2: What could go wrong? Hashtag charging? But you're big like

1188
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 2: so every year they do a media wide like all

1189
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 2: the talent they're asked to put in their their picks

1190
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,879
Speaker 2: for like you know, the awards. It's your preseason productions, right,

1191
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 2: So MVP, Offensive Player of the Year, so on and

1192
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 2: so forth. Then we do you know division winners playoff teams.

1193
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 2: Who's your Super Bowl champion? You went heavy on the

1194
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 2: Bolts this year.

1195
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:32,080
Speaker 3: This man right here, if you're watching on video, it's

1196
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 3: a pop of Justin Herbert. That is my MVP pick season, spicy.

1197
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,760
Speaker 3: I have that him being the MVP, the Chargers winning

1198
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 3: the West, and Staley winning Coach of the Year because I.

1199
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 1: See Susie is all about it.

1200
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 3: I have the Bills winning the Super Bowl, and I

1201
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 3: thought if I picked Josh Allen to also win, the

1202
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 3: MVP would come off the way to homery. So I

1203
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 3: decided let's go with my second pick and go Justin.

1204
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,360
Speaker 1: Hurt So behind the scenes here right because you know, Susie,

1205
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 1: who produces the show, is a Charger fan. We've got

1206
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:02,479
Speaker 1: Park who's over here helping out. She's a Bills fan.

1207
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 1: And Susie, I mean, I understand you're getting excited about this,

1208
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 1: but understand that that Florio's doing this basically to not

1209
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 1: jinx the Bills. Is what's happened a little bit.

1210
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:13,280
Speaker 3: I will say a year ago, I thought the AFC

1211
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 3: Championship would be Chargers Bills I was a year early,

1212
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 3: I think, because I think this year I'm very high

1213
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 3: on the.

1214
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 2: Chargers, all right, all right, so we'll see how it

1215
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 2: goes with the Bolts. This year, Justin Herbert was the

1216
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 2: top quarterback in Los Angeles, at least for the Ring

1217
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 2: or for the Chargers rather and not a surprise to

1218
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 2: eighty nine point three QB eleven did have some injury

1219
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:33,720
Speaker 2: issues last year that sort of slowed him down. Austin

1220
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 2: Eckler was your RB one three hundred and seventy two

1221
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 2: point seven fantasy points. Mike Williams was actually your top

1222
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 2: scoring wide receiver for the Lightning Bolts one hundred and

1223
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:45,319
Speaker 2: seventy six and a half points wide receiver thirty two.

1224
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:48,400
Speaker 2: And Gerald Everett, who says he is the best basketball

1225
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:51,360
Speaker 2: player on the roster one hundred and thirty nine and

1226
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,320
Speaker 2: a half points. He was tight ended thirteen. This offseason,

1227
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 2: they lose Chase Daniel and DeAndre Carter. They do go

1228
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 2: out and draft Quinton Johnston. Are Man Darius Davis who

1229
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 2: got the Fantasy Live pod bump. We interviewed him and

1230
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 2: then he went out and rushed for or a returned

1231
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 2: to punt for a touchdown. Also Max Duggan. So they

1232
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:11,359
Speaker 2: got a.

1233
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 1: Trio of TCU guys. They were all about the horned

1234
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:18,320
Speaker 1: frogs in the draft this offseason. First off the board,

1235
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 1: Austin Eckler is a top five pick in plenty of leagues.

1236
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 1: Speaking of Eckler, this is a man who's been a

1237
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:29,399
Speaker 1: beast for several years now, thirty eight total touchdowns over

1238
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 1: the last two seasons. How much should we fear regression

1239
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 1: for him?

1240
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 3: A little bit? I but I continue to say that

1241
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 3: I think the targets will come down. He had what

1242
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 3: like one hundred and twenty eight targets or something like

1243
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 3: that last year. It was a very big number that

1244
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 3: will come down because last season, Justin Herbert had the

1245
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 3: third lowest air yards per target. And I joked in

1246
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 3: my article that I wrote, that's like owning a Ferrari

1247
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 3: and only using it to drive to Trader Jones, Like,

1248
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:56,879
Speaker 3: come on, what are we doing here?

1249
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 1: Really strike the whole foods?

1250
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, Like that'd be like telling Patrick Mahomes and

1251
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 3: Josh Allen not to throw deep because I truly believe

1252
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:06,320
Speaker 3: Justin Herbert is in Those are the three strongest arms

1253
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 3: in the NFL in my opinion. So we're gonna get

1254
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 3: more deep passes, I think, which means fewer dump offs

1255
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 3: to Austin Eckler. But if this offense takes the next step,

1256
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:18,440
Speaker 3: like I think it will, and it can, then Eckler

1257
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:20,720
Speaker 3: can make up for a decrease in volume with higher

1258
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:24,439
Speaker 3: efficiency because if you're throwing downfield successfully, teams aren't gonna

1259
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 3: be able to bunch near the line of scrimmage like

1260
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 3: they were last season. Plus that means more scoring opportunities.

1261
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 3: So maybe the touchdown rate, like the percentage of touchdowns

1262
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 3: that goes to Austin Eckler, comes down. But if they're

1263
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:40,839
Speaker 3: scoring even more, a smaller percentage of more touchdowns could

1264
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 3: be a very similar number and a very high number

1265
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 3: of touchdowns.

1266
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do think the touchdown number comes down, right,

1267
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 2: He had eighteen last year.

1268
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 1: He had twenty the year before. That's just hard to do.

1269
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:54,439
Speaker 2: Like you know, this isn't a knock on Eckler. It's

1270
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 2: just hard to score that many touchdowns. So I think

1271
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 2: that number comes down. I'm with you on the fact

1272
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,360
Speaker 2: that I think the target number comes down. But maybe

1273
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:03,879
Speaker 2: maybe the A dot is a little bit deeper, right,

1274
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:06,319
Speaker 2: Maybe the route depth is a little bit more, the

1275
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 2: yards per target becomes a little bit more for him,

1276
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 2: so maybe that certainly helps. I still kind of like

1277
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:15,799
Speaker 2: him over Christian McCaffrey in the sense that I still

1278
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 2: think he's going to get more of a snap share

1279
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 2: than any other running back you know in the league.

1280
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe Nick Chubb gets that, but Nick Chubb's not

1281
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 2: the same level of pass catcher that Eckler is. You know,

1282
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 2: maybe say Kwon Barkley gets something similar. But you know,

1283
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 2: I know they like Josh Kelly and he played well

1284
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 2: in the preseason. He really is sort of a you know,

1285
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 2: he's there to spell Eckler every once in a while.

1286
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 1: This is Austin's backfield.

1287
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 2: So we talk about volume being so critical for running backs,

1288
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 2: and he's going to continue to get that volume. So

1289
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 2: that's why I like him this year. But I do think,

1290
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 2: you know, I think the numbers come down from where

1291
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Speaker 2: they've been.

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Speaker 3: You said you have him oversee him see to me.

1293
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 3: I one of the biggest question marks this draft season

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00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 3: is like, why is CMC a slam dunk like Pake

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00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 3: in a lot of drafts and Eckler falls to the

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00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 3: second half of the first round when I think they

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00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 3: both are in good offenses. And they both bring similar

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00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 3: concerns because I don't think McCaffrey's gonna play like the

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00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 3: percentage that he was when he was with the Panthers.

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Speaker 2: No, he only played like two thirds of the snaps

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Speaker 2: and again like sixty seven percent, that's a good number,

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00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 2: that's a lot. In Carolina he was playing eighty five

1303
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 2: or four percent of the snaps, like a big drop off.

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00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 2: It's a big drop off, and Kyle Shanahan's not going

1305
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:27,919
Speaker 2: to use him that way. I think the snap share

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00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 2: stays pretty steady for Austin Eckler this year, even with

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00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 2: Kellen Moore as the offensive coordinator, They're still going to

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00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 2: use him a lot, and that to me gives him

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00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:40,440
Speaker 2: a slight edge over Christian McCaffrey this year. So you

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Speaker 2: just talked about, you know, justin Herbert as you're NFL

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00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 2: MVP this year. Dare I say his fantasy ceiling is

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Speaker 2: QB one.

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Speaker 3: It is, but it's small, like he has a lower

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00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 3: percent chance than say like Jalen Hurts or Josh Allen.

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Speaker 3: I would say of being the QB one because those

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00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 3: guys are going to run more. But I you like,

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00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 3: right now, you know how we're viewing those two and

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00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes is like the elite tier. I think next

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00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 3: year it's very possible that Justin Herbert is in that

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00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:10,320
Speaker 3: grouping as well. And I'll even I think that Justin

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00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 3: Herbert has way more upside than Joe Burrow, and Joe

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00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 3: Burrow is everyone's darling and look I like Joe Burrow

1323
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 3: a lot, but I think we're forgetting what Justin Herbert

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00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 3: was two seasons ago. Last season, everything went wrong for

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00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 3: him in the Chargers. He broke his ribs in week two.

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00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 3: He was playing with a hurt shoulder. Keenan Allen missed time,

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00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:34,240
Speaker 3: Mike Williams miss time, Josh Palmer was moonlighting as a

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00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 3: wide receiver. One. Things went awry for Justin Herbert last year,

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00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 3: and he still threw for forty seven hundred yards, which,

1330
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 3: to put that into perspective, Joe Burrow has never done

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00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 3: in his career. Two years ago, Justin Herbert threw for

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00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 3: five thousand yards. Two years ago, he threw for thirty

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00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 3: eight touchdowns. That would be a career high. Compared to

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00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow. He runs more, he gets used near the

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00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 3: goal line more. He's kind of going as the last

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01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 3: of the top seven quarterbacks, and to me, I think

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Speaker 3: it is a great value. It is one that I

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01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 3: want to to continue to target if I miss out

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01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 3: on the elite quarterbacks the top three. So yeah, Herbert

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01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 3: is a player that I'm going to have in a

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01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 3: lot of drafts because again, just a season ago, he

1342
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 3: was the second best quarterback in Fantasy football.

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Speaker 2: I you know, I don't think I've drafted Justin Herbert,

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01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 2: not because I don't want to, but either I've gone

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01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 2: a little bit earlier than where he goes and I've

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01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 2: gotten say Lamar Jackson, maybe I've reached for Jalen Hurts,

1347
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 2: what have you? Or I wait, I mean he's gone,

1348
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 2: and so then I have to sort of pivot to

1349
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 2: like the Trevor Lawrence or somebody I det de Shaun Watson,

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01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 2: somebody like that. So I just he just hasn't fallen

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01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 2: in the right window for me to draft him. It

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01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:47,600
Speaker 2: has nothing to do with with how I feel about him.

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01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 2: I think I think legitimately top four is his ceiling.

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01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 2: And even that, you know, I could put Lamar Jackson

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01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 2: as four, I could put Justin Herbert as four, But

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01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 2: I think that's the ceiling for him this year. If

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01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 2: he stays healthy, if all his pieces stay healthy, and

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01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 2: the fact that Kellen Moore is going to let him

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01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 2: rip it this year, which is something you couldn't say

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01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 2: in past years. I mean, anybody who played fantasy, and

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01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:13,880
Speaker 2: probably Charger fans in general were just frustrated watching him

1362
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 2: play more of a horizontal passing game than a vertical one.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's going to be the case with

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Speaker 1: Kellen Moore.

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Speaker 2: I think this team is going to challenge because you

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Speaker 2: have a quarterback with a big, strong arm like Justin Herbert,

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01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 2: why wouldn't you And you've got Mike Williams downfield, You've

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01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:30,919
Speaker 2: got Quinton Johnston who can go downfield and high point

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01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:33,680
Speaker 2: the football. Why wouldn't you take those shots? So I

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01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 2: do think the average depth of target's going to be bigger.

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01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:38,360
Speaker 2: I think he's going to take some shots down the

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01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 2: field and maybe that touchdown number goes up as well.

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01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:46,760
Speaker 2: Speaking of the wide receivers at ADP, which would you

1374
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:50,240
Speaker 2: rather have between Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, Quinton Johnston?

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01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 3: I think all three are good values of where they're going.

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01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 3: Mike Williams is my least favorite of the three. Keenan

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01:01:56,400 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 3: Allen I still like a lot. I think that he

1378
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 3: is a strong value, but you're still paying a high

1379
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:05,640
Speaker 3: price to get him. Quinton Johnson has been the receiver

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01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 3: that I've drafted the most on this team and will

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01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:11,440
Speaker 3: continue to do so. I know the report so Josh

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01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 3: Palmer might play ahead of him, I don't believe it,

1383
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:15,920
Speaker 3: even if it starts out that way. I think Quentin

1384
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 3: Johnson is far too talented to take off the field,

1385
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:22,480
Speaker 3: and he gives them something that this offense has lacked,

1386
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 3: like they've lacked a secondary receiver who could win downfield

1387
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 3: opposite of Mike Williams. That's he can do, but they've

1388
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 3: also lacked someone who you can throw, like a Deebo Samuel,

1389
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:34,600
Speaker 3: who you could throw the ball to really quickly and

1390
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 3: he could take a five yard pass and turn it

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01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 3: into fifteen twenty yards. Quinton Johnson, despite being bigger than

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01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:44,040
Speaker 3: Mike Williams, was the best yack receiver in this class

1393
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 3: in my opinion, in a draft class full of slot

1394
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 3: receivers where their whole thing is yack. So to me,

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01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 3: I'm very excited about what Quinton Johnson could be, especially

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01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:56,920
Speaker 3: when you add in the fact that as much as

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01:02:56,960 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 3: I like to not be the injury prone guy. The

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01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 3: two receivers ahead of him haven't been the most durable,

1399
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:03,480
Speaker 3: so when you factor that in that he could just

1400
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 3: naturally get a whole bunch of a larger role without

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01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 3: having to pay up for it. He is someone that

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01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 3: I've been targeting a whole lot. It's like a wide.

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01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 1: Receiver for yeah, and I think that's where it is

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01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:14,040
Speaker 1: for me with Johnston.

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01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 2: He's the guy I'm drafting if I don't need a

1406
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 2: guy who can start right away, right, if I have

1407
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:21,920
Speaker 2: a guy that I can wait a few weeks on,

1408
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 2: Quentin Johnson's a really good opportunity for me to draft.

1409
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:26,920
Speaker 2: I still like Mike Williams, and I'm looking at the

1410
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 2: guys that are going off the board, like right after him, right.

1411
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 2: I like him better than Michael Pittman. I like him

1412
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:35,640
Speaker 2: better than Mike Evans. I like him better than George Pickens,

1413
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:36,800
Speaker 2: and Mark's pro same.

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01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:38,000
Speaker 3: I'm not a big joy.

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01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 1: I've gone back and forth on Pickens.

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01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:43,200
Speaker 3: I think he's had three targets in the preseason. That's

1417
01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:45,520
Speaker 3: the thing. Every time he gets a target, he does

1418
01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 3: something that you're like, this guy is the best, and

1419
01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:51,240
Speaker 3: then you look and you're like, oh, it's exactly how

1420
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:52,840
Speaker 3: his game logs were last year. You look back and

1421
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 3: you're like, why didn't they throw the ball to him?

1422
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 1: You're like, that's all that's all he got. Yeah. Interesting.

1423
01:03:57,920 --> 01:03:59,480
Speaker 2: The reason I've gone back and forth on Pickens and

1424
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 2: I know we talked about the Steelers already, but you know,

1425
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:04,440
Speaker 2: at first it was like, Okay, well he's just a

1426
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:06,920
Speaker 2: highlight real guy. Then I'm hearing stories of well, no,

1427
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 2: he's expanded his route tree and he's gonna do more

1428
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:11,440
Speaker 2: this year. And then you know, people who do charting

1429
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 2: and you know, watch a lot of film are like,

1430
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 2: you know, he's pretty much running the same routes and

1431
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:16,440
Speaker 2: your in last year, Like, I don't know.

1432
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:18,120
Speaker 1: What to do. What is harmon think?

1433
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 2: Uh? He thinks he's a talented guy who you know

1434
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:24,680
Speaker 2: right now is still sort of limited in a lot

1435
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 2: of ways.

1436
01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 3: So we're kind of I think we all kind of agree.

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01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:29,560
Speaker 2: All right, we just gave you a free plug for reception.

1438
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 2: Perception Matt, like you owe me a beer or something.

1439
01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:35,600
Speaker 2: But I like Mike Williams just because the guys that

1440
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:38,160
Speaker 2: are going like right after him, you know, there's a

1441
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:41,760
Speaker 2: handful of guys, like I said, Pittman, Evans Pickens, Markue's Brown.

1442
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:44,080
Speaker 2: I would rather have Mike Williams. You know, you get

1443
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:46,960
Speaker 2: to Johan Dotson. I would maybe take a swing at

1444
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 2: Johan Dotson, you know, maybe take a swing at Jordan

1445
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:54,600
Speaker 2: Addison or Jsen. But I like Mike Williams sort of

1446
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 2: where he's going right now, and especially if they're going

1447
01:04:57,320 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 2: to be more vertical, I think that can be more

1448
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:00,600
Speaker 2: chunk for him.

1449
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:03,280
Speaker 3: One other thing I like that they said Kellen Moore

1450
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:05,680
Speaker 3: has been doing that Joe Lombardi last year refused to

1451
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:08,080
Speaker 3: do was move his receivers all over the field. And

1452
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:09,920
Speaker 3: like there's been a lot of chatter of Mike Williams

1453
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 3: potentially operating out of the slot, obviously not full time,

1454
01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:14,720
Speaker 3: but just a little bit. And I think that can

1455
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 3: go a long way.

1456
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:16,200
Speaker 1: It was a long way.

1457
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:18,200
Speaker 2: You get a big body receiver like that working on

1458
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 2: smaller corners out of the slot, there's.

1459
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:23,960
Speaker 1: A potential for some really really big production there. So

1460
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:27,480
Speaker 1: I like the Chargers offense. I just you know, hashtag

1461
01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:28,640
Speaker 1: chargering man like that.

1462
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 2: They no team gets in its own way as much

1463
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:33,200
Speaker 2: as the Chargers, except maybe the Falcons.

1464
01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 3: It is pretty insane that they blewwood a twenty eight

1465
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:38,400
Speaker 3: point playoff and like it doesn't matter, Like you don't

1466
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:38,920
Speaker 3: really hear.

1467
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:40,560
Speaker 2: It talked about a whole lot because I think everybody

1468
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:42,760
Speaker 2: sort of even Charger fans, saw it coming. I know

1469
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:44,800
Speaker 2: Susie said she saw it coming. It was just like,

1470
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:46,400
Speaker 2: you know, I think I tweeted like, hey, this is

1471
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 2: really great. When does the chargering start? And then like

1472
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:51,600
Speaker 2: pretty much right after that, the whole thing happened. So

1473
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:55,680
Speaker 2: we'll see what happens on the field, but for fantasy purposes,

1474
01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:57,400
Speaker 2: we love we love the Bolts, and we love what's

1475
01:05:57,400 --> 01:05:59,680
Speaker 2: going to happen this year in Los Angeles.

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01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 1: I think that's a good place for us to set

1477
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:02,960
Speaker 1: it down for now.

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01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:06,440
Speaker 2: Again, thank you to Adam Levitan for stopping in and

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01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:08,760
Speaker 2: sharing his insights with us, so we go check him

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01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 2: out on Twitter at Adam Levittan and over at Established

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01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:14,680
Speaker 2: a Run as well. That'll do it for this edition

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01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:18,200
Speaker 2: of the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. Stay happy, safe and healthy,

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01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 2: do good and live well. We're here with you twice

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Speaker 2: a week, so we'll talk to you again on Wednesday,