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Speaker 2: When you think Greg Norman, you think a guy that

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Speaker 2: He's won forty five tournaments. But you remember him a

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Speaker 2: And he's like that in life. Right when he made

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Speaker 2: Tiger's got this torn achilles. He's like, he's like a

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine Tiger watching this tournament and thinking, You know,

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Speaker 1: Well, it's funny because Phil Mickelson got himself into trouble

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Speaker 1: Whereas Rory's wedge and Rory's irons were either remarkable or mediocre.

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Speaker 2: Well, I thought I mean Colin he blew a. He

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Speaker 2: Through the first three rounds, he was the best player

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Speaker 1: But I am hitting my irons the last year as

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Speaker 1: His game feels loose, Bryce, I mean he didn't. He

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's got special made club He's a different cat.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he doesn't he uses stuff nobody else has used.

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Speaker 1: Rory is just how remarkable he is as a talent

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Speaker 2: I don't know, It's never happened before in the history

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Speaker 2: get back together four times a year, and because of

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Speaker 2: the calendar, it's the first time they get back together.

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Speaker 2: And this is by far the biggest tournament of the year. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so it's the perfect combination. And like you said, I mean,

431
00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:22,640
Speaker 2: the weather the last couple of days just look picturesque.

432
00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:26,760
Speaker 2: Having the superstars the leader board was incredible. I just

433
00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:30,119
Speaker 2: think that this tournament in a weird way, I hate

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Speaker 2: Live because it's just it's made my life as just

435
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Speaker 2: someone that wants to watch all these guys play together.

436
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Speaker 2: Like you said, I don't care that who makes what?

437
00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:38,600
Speaker 2: I just want to see all these guys play together.

438
00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:42,960
Speaker 2: And it's separated them. But it's made this weekend specifically

439
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Speaker 2: the last couple of years. I would say, it's put

440
00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,080
Speaker 2: it on steroids. And it's hard even for the other

441
00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,520
Speaker 2: majors to quite feel like this one because this one

442
00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,760
Speaker 2: is just. The Masters has always been big. It's you know,

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00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,400
Speaker 2: every human being, whether you don't even like golf, knows

444
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Speaker 2: the green jacket. Tiger took it to another level. I

445
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,320
Speaker 2: do think though the last couple of years, with them

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Speaker 2: all getting back together, it feels like there's now Bryson

447
00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:07,720
Speaker 2: is kind of I mean last year he had the

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Speaker 2: lead after a couple of rounds. He's been a major

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Speaker 2: factor of these last couple of years at the Masters.

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Speaker 2: Has added an element to this tournament that, you know,

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Speaker 2: without Tiger, it's just hard. I mean, the golf, this

452
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Speaker 2: isn't football. I mean, football wouldn't be big enough. I

453
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Speaker 2: remember being a kid, USFL tried to take away Steve

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Speaker 2: Young and Bruce Smith and Jim Kelly, like you need

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Speaker 2: you only have ten to fifteen to twenty guys that

456
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Speaker 2: really matter in golf, you probably only got five or six. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I can't lose two of them, right, And tennis was

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Speaker 2: very dependent on Federer, Joker and nat All for basically

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Speaker 2: fifteen twenty years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: When I was a kid, it was Samperston agacy and

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Speaker 2: that was kind of it. Yeah, And it's like golf

463
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Speaker 2: is not big enough to handle this divide, but the

464
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Speaker 2: majors don't really care because their master's in business with

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Speaker 2: the Masters's. It works for them.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever seen what you win when you win

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Speaker 1: the Masters? So the purse this year was four point

468
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Speaker 1: two million. You get the jacket, lifetime membership, invitation forever,

469
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Speaker 1: You get all these exclusive places you know that you

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Speaker 1: can you know, only a handful off. You get to

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Speaker 1: use the locker room of Champions, which is just all

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Speaker 1: time great, but it's one of the it's it's I

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Speaker 1: think the only thing to me that compares to the

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Speaker 1: Masters is when the US Open is at Pebble Beach,

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Speaker 1: where I'm literally watching for the course and Pinehurst is great,

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Speaker 1: but I'm not watching for Pinehurst. Pebble Beach. US Opens

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Speaker 1: feel different, British Open feels different. Saint Andrews and I

478
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Speaker 1: think the Masters, those three tournament PGA Championship, to me

479
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Speaker 1: just doesn't you know again if I'm around, But it

480
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Speaker 1: was interesting. So I'm watching Thursday and Friday on vacation,

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Speaker 1: and I went and golf Saturday. I was just like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm into this beautiful day by the way, fifty degrees. Oh,

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Speaker 1: it was just beautiful day in the suburbs of Chicago.

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Speaker 1: But it was just one of those things where I

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Speaker 1: think golf, even though you would argue it's not in

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Speaker 1: a good place, it's got a lot of alphas. There's

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Speaker 1: a little tension between all of them. They I mean,

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Speaker 1: kepkn Bryson, de Shamble aren't tight that you can sense.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty palpable. You can sense the tension between some

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Speaker 1: of these guys because they're all really guys, guys. They're

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Speaker 1: all very male, right, And I think, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I just watched this weekend and I thought to myself,

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Speaker 1: golf's in a really good place at these Masters, at

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Speaker 1: these majors.

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Speaker 2: Well, I know, you know, living in Arizona, a lot

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Speaker 2: of pros live here, and you know, I play golf

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Speaker 2: at TBC where a lot of these guys practice. The

498
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Speaker 2: live financial boom for the PGA Tour and these guys

499
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Speaker 2: has been pretty incredible for the business. I mean, the

500
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Speaker 2: top guys have always been rich, from Arnold Palmer to

501
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Speaker 2: Jack to Tiger. But you know, my wife was showing

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Speaker 2: an open house a couple of weeks ago with one

503
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Speaker 2: of her colleagues. There was like four or five million

504
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Speaker 2: dollars and the people looking at the open house, and

505
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Speaker 2: the guy that was showing it is in the golf

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Speaker 2: world and knows these people, introduces himself and realizes it's

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Speaker 2: the wife of one of the caddies and she was

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Speaker 2: looking for another caddi's wife. These are four or five

509
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Speaker 2: million dollar house the caddies. And this is not you know,

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Speaker 2: Rory's caddy. This is a guy probably somewhere forty to

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Speaker 2: sixty in the world. These guys I mean Bryson or

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Speaker 2: Rory net Jets you see. Yeah, the sixtieth guy ain't

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Speaker 2: going to the commercial airport. So the wealth on the

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Speaker 2: golf tour right now has never been top down, and

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Speaker 2: it's an incredible time to be involved. As a high end,

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Speaker 2: top one hundred golfer. You are an immediate millionaire and

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Speaker 2: your caddi's doing well well your caddy.

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Speaker 1: And also with Bryson being a YouTube sensation, everybody now

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Speaker 1: All right, here we go, Jason Timpf hoops tonight. We

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Speaker 1: All the odds provided by DraftKings Sportsbook, by the way,

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Speaker 1: when we mention them. So I'm gonna pick it up set.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go Houston Rockets over the Warriors, And I

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Speaker 1: don't want to do confirmation bias or recency bias because

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Speaker 1: I watched them struggle against Memphis and need an inbounds

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Speaker 1: gaff by the Grizzlies to save it. But the Jonathan

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Speaker 1: Kaminga piece is really a problem. So we've talked about this.

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Speaker 1: It's a highly sophisticated offense. Veterans work, Iguidala kd Andrew Bogan,

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Speaker 1: they work, Steph Clay, Draymond they work. You can be

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Speaker 1: a quirky player like Draymond Green and still be a catalyst.

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Speaker 1: What doesn't work is Wiseman, Jordan Poole, DiAngelo Russell who's

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Speaker 1: a bit squarely when he was younger and Cominga's productive.

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Speaker 1: But you can't put them on the floor of this unit.

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Speaker 1: Kerr is it's do not play coach's decision. And they're

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Speaker 1: dying for length. I mean I watched them last night

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Speaker 1: and Zach Eaedi is a huge problem. They don't have

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Speaker 1: any length and here comes Houston. They defend the three

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Speaker 1: mon Thompson gave Steph fits last time they played length. Now,

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Speaker 1: Kerr's the best coach, Curry's the best player. I am

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Speaker 1: not denying that. But and if the games are close, Jason,

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Speaker 1: you'll take the Warriors. Their clutch points are great. They're

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Speaker 1: gonna win these one point games like last Night's just

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Speaker 1: a great example of how the Warriors can manipulate the

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Speaker 1: clock possessions and get better defensively when they have to.

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Speaker 1: I don't like this matchup. I was looking at the odds.

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Speaker 1: I don't like this matchup for the Warriors. Right now,

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Speaker 1: the Rockets are plus one sixty five again, odds provided

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Speaker 1: by DraftKings. I'm calling the upset. You think I'm crazy, size,

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Speaker 1: lack of depth, Curry dependent, what say you?

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Speaker 4: I don't want to see you're crazy. I think this

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Speaker 4: is let's just put it this way. I think that

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Speaker 4: a defensive minded Rockets team is more capable of beating

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Speaker 4: Golden State than say, a defensive minded Magic team is

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Speaker 4: capable of beating Boston.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 4: That said, I think that the other side of the

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Speaker 4: floor is where it's going to become a problem. I

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Speaker 4: have no doubts that Houston is going to cause problems

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Speaker 4: for Golden States offense. In their last four games, they've

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Speaker 4: held them to one hundred and five or fewer, and

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Speaker 4: all four of them they've held them below one hundred

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Speaker 4: three times.

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Speaker 1: Yea.

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Speaker 4: They they have a bunch of different things that they

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Speaker 4: do that bother them. They put Alburn Shangoon on Moses Moody,

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Speaker 4: which is really smart because it allows them to put

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Speaker 4: all of their three best perimeter defenders on Draymond, Jimmy

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Speaker 4: and Steph and just switch any action that involves those three.

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Speaker 4: Aman Thompson is one of the most gifted athletes in

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Speaker 4: terms of foot speed in the league.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, and the the Rockets have a zone look that

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Speaker 4: worked really well against the against the Warriors a couple

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Speaker 4: of weeks ago.

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Speaker 2: There.

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Speaker 4: I have no doubts that the Rockets will be able

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Speaker 4: to drag the Warriors offense down into the mud. Here's

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Speaker 4: the problem. I think the war I think the Warriors

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Speaker 4: defense is nearly as good as Houston's defense, and I

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Speaker 4: think that they are more of doing more damage to

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Speaker 4: a Shanng Gooon, Jalen Green Fred Vanvliet led offense than

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Speaker 4: the Rockets can do to the Warriors on the other

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Speaker 4: end of the floor. I would not be surprised if

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Speaker 4: it's a longer series. As a Lakers fan, I hope

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Speaker 4: that it's very physical and that it wears them down.

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Speaker 4: But I just have a really hard time believing that

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Speaker 4: the Rockets are going to be able to score enough

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Speaker 4: now to beat the Warriors four times now.

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Speaker 1: They have shot better in the second half of the season.

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Speaker 1: They have, so there was here's the thing, explain the

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Speaker 1: coaminga piece. So listen. I was told this year's ago

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Speaker 1: by an NFL executive. He says, be very careful about

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Speaker 1: the last twenty games of the season. You're going to

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Speaker 1: see teams with winning streaks. Half the league's tanking, and

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Speaker 1: half the league is resting starters for the playoffs. So

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Speaker 1: the Clippers go on this great last fifteen games and

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Speaker 1: the Warriors have that energy when Jimmy Butler arrives and

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Speaker 1: they're playing bad teams and they're just rolling people, and

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Speaker 1: you're like, oh my god. And I fell for it,

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Speaker 1: and I said, oh wait till Kaminga comes back. It

642
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: was about three games with kaming in this group, and

643
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: Steve Kerr's like, yeah, I'm not. I don't why doesn't

644
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: it work with him? Because I could argue he's exactly

645
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: what they need against Houston size, athletic ability, length. They

646
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: look small last night against Memphis.

647
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, right when the Jimmy trade went down,

648
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 4: one of my initial takeaways was this is the end

649
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 4: of Jonathan Kaminga in his time with the Golden State

650
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 4: Warriors in terms of just him being a meaningful contributor

651
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 4: to this team. The thing is is they were banking

652
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 4: on Jonathan Kaminga becoming that player for the Warrior, of

653
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 4: becoming the Jimmy Butler type of player for the Warriors,

654
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 4: the big forward that they could put next to Draymond,

655
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 4: that would be the scoring pop alongside the starters. As

656
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 4: soon as they got Jimmy, they no longer had a

657
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 4: role for him anymore. You want to know why Kerr

658
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 4: went with Gie Santos last night. It's because Gi Santos

659
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 4: plays the same position, but he can count on Gee

660
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 4: to not do anything stupid, to just play super hard,

661
00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 4: to grab every rebound he can get, to take a

662
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 4: why open catch and shoot three. Jonathan Kaminga's upside is

663
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 4: on the ball if you clear the side for him

664
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Speaker 4: and you let him go one on one facing up

665
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 4: eighteen feet from the basket. He has a lot of

666
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 4: potential in the long term to be very good at that,

667
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 4: but he's not good enough at it now to take

668
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 4: reps away from Steph and away from Jimmy, and so

669
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 4: all they need from him is to play defense, to

670
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 4: knock down wide open catch and shoot threes, and to

671
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 4: play in their read and react in the half court.

672
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 4: And he's not very good at any of those three things.

673
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 4: And so it just is kind of like a death

674
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 4: sentence in that regard for his role here. And I

675
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 4: do think that it's probably in the best interest of

676
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 4: everybody involved after this season is over to look to

677
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 4: move on from Kminga. That said, you made a very

678
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 4: interesting point specifically about this matchup. I understood the case

679
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 4: for the DNPS with Kaminga for the last couple of games,

680
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 4: super important games. You need higher floor, lower ceiling, like

681
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 4: you need fewer mistakes. Yes, you couldn't take a risk

682
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 4: with mistakes in those games. Sounderstood that case specifically for

683
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 4: this matchup with Houston. They are so big and so

684
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 4: athletic that I think it could. I think it could

685
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 4: be a Jimmy Butler and Jonathan Kaminga type of series.

686
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 4: I think the two of them and their athletic advantages

687
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 4: could be something they have to lean on a lot,

688
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,959
Speaker 4: especially if the perimeter defense of Houston wears steph down

689
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 4: over the course of the series. So if I was Kerr,

690
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 4: I would definitely give Kaminga some burn here in the

691
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 4: first couple games of this series, just to see what

692
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 4: he's got. Now, if he's terrible, bail on him, go

693
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 4: back to your rotation that you used in the last

694
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Speaker 4: couple of games. But I think he's an asset as

695
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 4: an athlete that you can't afford to keep in your

696
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 4: back pocket for a series like this.

697
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Speaker 1: And the Rockets are first of all, they defend the three,

698
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: they got the best athlete in the series, and they

699
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 1: rebound really well. They're gonna get if Kaminga doesn't play

700
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 1: a lot they're gonna get second, They're gonna get a

701
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: lot offensive rebound. They're gonna win offensive rebounding throughout this series.

702
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: Looney's gonna play a lot. You're gonna have to play him.

703
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 1: If you don't play kaminga a lot, you're giving up.

704
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 1: You're gonna give up the glass. And you can win

705
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: a series losing on the you know, in the in

706
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 1: the world we play in now, you know, Boston can

707
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 1: lose the rebounding battle and hit twenty eight threes and

708
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: they win the game by fifteen. But I'll tell you,

709
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: I think Houston. I think I think Houston's really gonna

710
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: challenge him, and I think they're going to be low scoring.

711
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 1: I think the one advantage that is clear cut, and

712
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 1: you saw it last night with the Warriors, they're so

713
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,919
Speaker 1: good with two twenty to play in a tie game,

714
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 1: they are they just know. I mean it's almost like,

715
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, people grabbing and clutching staph and

716
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: you have to be more careful late because they may

717
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: call a foul, and it's just they just figure out

718
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 1: ways to get Steph really good looks. It's almost like

719
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: red zone offense in the NFL, where it's cluttered and jammed,

720
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: and yet the good teams find open people. I mean,

721
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: he just I watched them, and I like last night

722
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:58,800
Speaker 1: they had a great game plan, jump out to a

723
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 1: sixteen point lead, eighteen point lead, twenty point lead, but

724
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: in the end, you're like, they just don't have bodies.

725
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 1: They look incredibly small. Uh, And I just think that

726
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,720
Speaker 1: size is gonna make I think they're the close games

727
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: Golden State wins, but I'm gonna give Houston a couple

728
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: of games where they just dominate the glass. The Warriors

729
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: look tired and they blow them out. It'll be a

730
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 1: weird looking series.

731
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:22,399
Speaker 2: Yeah.

732
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 4: I said something similar in my series preview, like I

733
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 4: wouldn't be surprised if there was a game either early

734
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 4: in the series, like a Game one or like a

735
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,839
Speaker 4: Game five with the Warriors are up three to one

736
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 4: where the Rockets just beat the heck out of them

737
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 4: and win by like twenty five thirty points that get

738
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 4: going in transition, they look super athletic. I'm with you

739
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 4: overall with the Warriors in the sense that, like there

740
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 4: was this stretch post deadline where they were beating everybody,

741
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 4: and yeah, the schedule was weak, but then they got

742
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 4: a couple of impressive wins. You beat a decent Memphis team,

743
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 4: you beat a Nuggets team without Jamal Murray, you beat

744
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 4: that Lakers team that was one of the biggest wins

745
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 4: that they had all season. That was a big, nationally televised,

746
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 4: super important game for both teams that they won. But

747
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,239
Speaker 4: then after that, it's like they lose to Houston, they

748
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 4: lose to San Antonio, they beat Portland, but then they

749
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 4: lose to the Clippers at home in a must win game.

750
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 4: And then last night for stretches, they looked on impressive

751
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,439
Speaker 4: as they were trailing in the fourth quarter. So I'm

752
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 4: kind of it up in the air with the Warriors

753
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 4: in general now because it's hard to tell how good

754
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 4: they really are when they killed everybody for like two months,

755
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 4: and then for the last two weeks they've looked pretty unimpressive.

756
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 4: So I'm kind of up in the air with them.

757
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 4: The main reason why I've been dropping them down in

758
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 4: terms of where i'd rank them among contenders is I

759
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 4: don't trust their shooting. Their shooting can go ice cold

760
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 4: around Steph Curry, and then as you mentioned, they're a

761
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 4: little bit vulnerable to size and physicality, which I think

762
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 4: can cause some problems for them. I viewed them as

763
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,399
Speaker 4: a little bit more of a flawed contender now than

764
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:47,399
Speaker 4: I did two weeks ago.

765
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: All Right, Lakers all odds provided by DraftKings are minus

766
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: one ninety five against the Tea Wolves. I think this

767
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: is a very favorable Laker matchup, and I think it's

768
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 1: pretty obvious the Timberwolves outside of He's gonna have to

769
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: score forty in a couple of these games. Julius Randall

770
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: has historically kind of the classic, plays hard, plays with energy,

771
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: very successful in the regular season, but everybody in the

772
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: postseason plays with energy, and he comes right back. The

773
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 1: regressions clear. He's a B player who plays with a

774
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: energy and that is really valuable in the regular season,

775
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 1: and then you get to the postseason and everybody's got

776
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: equal time off and he's a B player and doesn't

777
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 1: create sometimes can get a little ball selfish, go Bears,

778
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 1: not an offensive player. Mike Conley's a play initiator but

779
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,280
Speaker 1: doesn't provide much offense. And the Lakers are the rare team.

780
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 1: I mean, Boston may be the only team in the

781
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: league that does this, that has three playmakers and three

782
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: play initiators and at any one time can have the

783
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: three best offensive players playing well on the floor. I

784
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: don't think it's a good matchup for Minnesota at all.

785
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: This was the bad draw in my opinion for the

786
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: t Wolves. What do you think?

787
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 4: I totally agree. I think there's a basic talent argument

788
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 4: you can make for LA, which is like, who's better

789
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 4: at or Luca? You're taking Luca. Who's better Lebron or

790
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 4: Julius Randall? You're taking Lebron. Who's better Austin Reeves or

791
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 4: a Jaden McDaniels or a Rudy Gobert or Dante DiVincenzo.

792
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 4: You're taking Austin Reeves. So I think I think the

793
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 4: Lakers top three guys are just better, and I think

794
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 4: that that could be enough to make the case. Where

795
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 4: I think it gets really interesting is the Timberwolve's greatest

796
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 4: strength on defense is their combination of perimeter defenders and

797
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 4: Rudy Gobert at the rim, and the Lakers can neutralize that. Unfortunately,

798
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 4: as we saw in the Western Conference Finals last year,

799
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,919
Speaker 4: the best perimeter defender on Minnesota, Jaden McDaniels, can't guard Luca.

800
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 4: He's too skinny. Luca can just throw him around like

801
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,280
Speaker 4: a rag doll. None of the perimeter defenders on Minnesota

802
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 4: make Luca uncomfortable, and the Lakers with their five out

803
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 4: groups with Dorian Finney Smith instead of Jackson Hayes, they

804
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 4: can space Rudy out to where he cannot protect the

805
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 4: rim without conceding a wide open three. When Rudy's on

806
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 4: the perimeter, he's still a good defender, but he's not

807
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 4: the transcendently impactful defender he is when he can sit

808
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 4: right underneath the basket, So I think they neutralize him there.

809
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 4: On the other end of the floor, the Lakers have

810
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 4: struggled against spread out shooting like against Boston and really

811
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 4: smart teams with speed like Golden State. Those are the

812
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,399
Speaker 4: teams that have really caused the Lakers issues post Lucatrade.

813
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 4: You know who the Lakers have not struggled with post

814
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 4: Luca trade. Defensively, the teams that they can load up on.

815
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 4: You can load up on the Timberwolves. They are not

816
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 4: a good spot up team. They are a team that

817
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 4: you can put two on the ball with ant and

818
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 4: not get burned. That's high level playmaking. It's just I

819
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 4: look at this as a series where just all of

820
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 4: the strengths and weaknesses line up in a way to

821
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 4: where I think the Lakers just have a big advantage.

822
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 4: This was one of the few series that I picked

823
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 4: in five games. I think the Lakers are gonna beat

824
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 4: him in five.

825
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. I feel the same way and the Lakers I

826
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 1: could be wrong on this. I think they play as

827
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 1: to defense as they need to. I think that when

828
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: I watch them play out there are times I'm like, Oh,

829
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 1: this is one of those games they really care about.

830
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 1: And then there are other times I'm like, they're just

831
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: not talking. This is one of those. They either all

832
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: went out and had a nice dinner last night and

833
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 1: bomba bino.

834
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 2: They're just not that.

835
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: When I watch them, I think they're as good as

836
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: they want to be. Defensively, I don't think they're great,

837
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:24,800
Speaker 1: But like Denver's got limitations, there's just things, I mean, Jokic,

838
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: there's just limitations. I think the Lakers actually have some

839
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 1: pretty good lengthen defensive personnel outside of Luca. I think

840
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 1: they'll they'll play good defense in the playoffs because they'll

841
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: want to. They''ll want team when they want to. I

842
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: think they're pretty capable.

843
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, And when you're as good offensively as they've been

844
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 4: with their best groups. And by the way, that group

845
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 4: with Dorian Finney Smith and Ruey next to Lebron, Luca

846
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 4: and Austin has been torching everybody for a long time.

847
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 4: Now that unit can really score the ball, so they

848
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 4: have some margin for error on that side of the floor.

849
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 4: It really is about Lebron. Lebron as like the orchestrator

850
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 4: on the back line. He plays that Draymond Green esque role,

851
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 4: just telling everybody where to go, calling out the plays

852
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 4: as they're starting to take shape. And then Jared Vanderbilt,

853
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 4: Ruey Hotchmura, Dorian Finney Smith. It's just a lot of six'

854
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,919
Speaker 4: nine rangy athletes that can cover. Ground i'm not gonna

855
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 4: Lie colin like The lakers certainly have an uphill, climb

856
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 4: and there are gonna be multiple series where there'll be

857
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 4: an underdog if they get to the third and fourth.

858
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 4: Round but this could not have broken better for them

859
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 4: than it. Did now you only have to play one Of,

860
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 4: DENVER okc and The. Clippers those are three of the

861
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 4: most dangerous teams in The. West they only have to

862
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 4: play one of. Them SO i think it actually broke

863
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 4: really nicely for them. Here if they can take care

864
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 4: of business against The timberwolves and beat whoever comes out

865
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 4: of That Warriors rocket. Series they're right there in the

866
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 4: in the Against Okay see in the conference. FINALS i

867
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 4: think they've got a really good.

868
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: CHANCE i said this the other. DAY i had actually

869
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 1: somebody come up to me on the street Any it

870
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 1: was a Former. Laker it Was sasha AND i, SAID i,

871
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: SAID i, said the best Center i've ever. Seen complete

872
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 1: Players kareem AND i grew up with. It he was

873
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: a fourteen to fifteen Time All Defensive team ran the

874
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: floor when he was, young, rebound, unstoppable offensive, force, cerebral

875
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: prickly but could throw on. Elbow you, know Ask Kent.

876
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: BENSON i think the player he went, after he could

877
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 1: give you. Everything he was, wiry but he could be.

878
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: PHYSICAL i think because of that defensive, prowess he is

879
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,959
Speaker 1: better Than. JOKIC i Think jokis is the second most

880
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: gifted center of all. Time now people would Say, wilt

881
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 1: But wilt was. Flaky you didn't know what the effort you.

882
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 1: Got he wasn't easy to play. With you got different

883
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,760
Speaker 1: variations Of wilt depending on the night. Before And wilt

884
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: was kind of Into wilt WHERE i Think jokic is

885
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: actually a really good team. PLAYER i just think he's

886
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 1: not engaged defensively all the. Time BUT i outside Of,

887
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: KAREEM i mean generally with a, CENTER i can say shack, power, russell,

888
00:43:55,600 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: defense a team, FOOTWORK i can say. SOMETHING i look

889
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 1: At jokic And i'm, like, like If, KAREEM i, mean

890
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 1: If kareem Or vetus s the Bonus Bill walton had a,

891
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: baby it's, like you, KNOW i Think Bill walton is

892
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: the one, player very, briefly not the Old walton with The,

893
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 1: celtics who was, great but he wasn't as good as

894
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 1: THE ucla or The Portland. Walton there was a time

895
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,320
Speaker 1: When Bill walton was like the best passing big, ever

896
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: the best mid range, jumper ran the, floor could be super,

897
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: physical kind of. Weird BUT i Think jokic. IS i

898
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 1: just don't Think i've ever quite seen anything like. Him

899
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:41,399
Speaker 1: that's my. DAD i don't know If i've ever seen

900
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: anything like.

901
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 4: Him he's the best offensive Player i've ever. Seen Colin

902
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 4: wow AND i have watched and rooted for two of

903
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 4: the greats that have ever done that or rooted for.

904
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 4: AGAINST i should SAY i Think lebron is on the

905
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 4: short list of guys who are in that. CONVERSATION i

906
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 4: Think steph is on the short list of guys who

907
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 4: are in that. Conversation having rooted For lebron and then

908
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 4: being terrified Of steph and rooting against him over the,

909
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 4: YEARS i know what it's like to be on the

910
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 4: other end of a player who like legitimately creates a

911
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 4: great shot almost every time down the. Floor jokic makes

912
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 4: it look even easier than those guys. Do it's the

913
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 4: top tier playmaking piece that you get From, lebron the

914
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 4: inverted spacing that you get From steph that creates all

915
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,720
Speaker 4: the dunks and layups right underneath the. Basket but mixed

916
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 4: in with the lack of variants because Like, steph Like

917
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 4: steph will have games where he just can't make a shot,

918
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 4: right you, know that doesn't happen With. Jokic like if

919
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 4: he gets into the five to ten foot, range it's

920
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 4: going in two out of three, times like, Clockwork he's

921
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 4: gonna make. It and so there's a lack of, variance

922
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 4: there's a power element to. It he can kind of

923
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:51,320
Speaker 4: audible into different, players like it's, like, Okay i'm playing

924
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 4: The Spurs i'm just gonna post up every single time

925
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 4: down the.

926
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 2: Floor watch.

927
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 4: It watching This clippers, series we won't see as Much

928
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 4: jokics post. Ups it's not his, advantage but guess. What

929
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,879
Speaker 4: he can run inverted ball screens and like literally play

930
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 4: pick and roll as the handler out on the. Perimeter

931
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 4: he can run two man game With Jamal. Murray his

932
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,760
Speaker 4: versatility and dependability night, tonight mixed with all the inverted

933
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 4: stuff he does with the, SPACING i have never seen

934
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 4: a player make it look easier on offense Than Nikola jokic.

935
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:21,399
Speaker 4: Did like it's it's rooting against him is absolute. Hell

936
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 4: having had to do that over the last couple of.

937
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 4: Years he deserves a good amount of criticism for what

938
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 4: happened to their defense this, year especially in the second

939
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 4: half of the. YEAR i thought he just straight up

940
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 4: mailed it, in and you made some good points about

941
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:36,879
Speaker 4: how that might have had something to do With Mike.

942
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 4: MALONE i agree with. You but even if you just

943
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 4: take that and set it, aside he still had one

944
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 4: of the greatest seasons in the history of the league

945
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 4: because he's the greatest offensive player to ever touch the.

946
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:50,800
Speaker 1: Floor yeah it. Is you, know it's funny Because luca

947
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,399
Speaker 1: and him have kind of similar body types where they're

948
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 1: in great shape probably you, know relative for the type

949
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:00,879
Speaker 1: for the, type But lucas got a lot Of hirk

950
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: And jerkins start and stop to his game that gets.

951
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 1: Open he's he's very good At he's just keeps you

952
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 1: constantly on his hip and off. Balance you're never quite

953
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: sure he's not, fast but he is kind of quick

954
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: for his, size and he's always bouncing off you never

955
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 1: loses kind of composure or the ball while there's. Contact

956
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: but it's a start stop game that's. Hard you, know

957
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: that's hard to. Defend jokis just sort of rolls into,

958
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 1: you AND i think a lot of players they're Like

959
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:34,399
Speaker 1: draymond has said, this there's no real book on him

960
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,760
Speaker 1: because it's it's you, know in THE, nfl there's always

961
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 1: that they always talk about that bad body offensive. Lineman

962
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,720
Speaker 1: Donald penn was known as this for The, raiders bad

963
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 1: body so, effective like there was no weak. Spot he

964
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: was weirdly, long and he had a weird ass and

965
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 1: his shoulders were, huge and it was like a bad

966
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 1: body offensive lineman where it's, like, yeah it's just defensive

967
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 1: players couldn't quite figure out a weak. SPOT i think

968
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 1: there's nobody else kind of quite built like, him that

969
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: plays like, him so you, KNOW i mean there are

970
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: certain guys in this. LEAGUE i mean just think about.

971
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: It if you do the, silhouette nobody else had a,

972
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 1: Skyhook nobody quite moves cardio wise Like. STEPH i think

973
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 1: part of what he does is no other Big when

974
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:24,800
Speaker 1: you play, him it's just, okay this is there's no warm.

975
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 1: Up this is the only guy that plays like. This

976
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 1: And i'm not saying the league is, similar but there

977
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 1: are a lot of, twitchy, long athletic guys who have

978
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: similar moves that they've learned from camps and, coaches right

979
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 1: and certain step. MOVES i Think jokic is a disaster

980
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:47,360
Speaker 1: to defend the. BODY i mean a lot of times

981
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: he just leans in and you get trapped under him

982
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: around the. BACK i ever see this when these big

983
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: guys get trapped and he gets like three looks and

984
00:48:55,719 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 1: you just Can't you can't get your hips aligned to

985
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 1: box him.

986
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 4: Out you can't jump when you're connected with. Him that's the.

987
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 4: Thing this is why boxing out is so. Important when

988
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 4: you box a player, out it keeps him groundbound so

989
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 4: that you can come in from behind to get the

990
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 4: rebound elsewhere on the. Floor, Similarly jokic does the same

991
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 4: thing to defensive. Players he's constantly dislodging you and putting

992
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 4: you in these situations where you are not athletic because

993
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 4: he's disrupted your base so you can't, jump and then

994
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,359
Speaker 4: that way he just finds these little angles for these

995
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 4: little release. POINTS i love the point you made about

996
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 4: how the league is, changed BECAUSE i found this to

997
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 4: be really. Fascinating so part Of Michael jordan's dominance was

998
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 4: that the league was so big and, slow and so

999
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 4: he was this lightning quick guard that he just cut

1000
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 4: through everyone like. Butter, similarly With, jokic the league is

1001
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 4: so thin and, fast yes that he's just a bowling

1002
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 4: ball that's just knocking everybody over on his way to the.

1003
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 4: Rim in a weird, way like part of it is

1004
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 4: just the timing of the. Era but to his, credit

1005
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 4: because this is the. Thing there are a lot of

1006
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:59,280
Speaker 4: big centers that can't play in THE nba today because

1007
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 4: they can't do this or they can't do. That they

1008
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 4: struggle with, this they struggle with. That jokicic because he's

1009
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 4: good enough in all of these other areas to be

1010
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 4: a USEFUL nba, player can weaponize his, size and all

1011
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 4: of a, sudden it's, like oh, man there's four hundred

1012
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 4: and fifty players in this, league And Joel embiid might

1013
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 4: be the only guy big enough to actually deal with.

1014
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 4: Him and he's not even healthy all the, time so

1015
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 4: he just has a mismatch every single. Night because of

1016
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 4: the era that he plays, in.

1017
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 1: Well it's Like Derreck, henry the running back for The.

1018
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 1: Ravens as linebackers and safeties have gotten smaller because the

1019
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 1: game is. Faster linebackers are two twenty. Five Derek henry's to,

1020
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 1: Fifty so you, know twenty years ago linebackers were as

1021
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 1: big As Derrick, henry and now guys can't They Just

1022
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 1: derek is a physical mismatch and he gets a running.

1023
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 1: Start AND i do think That i've said. It the

1024
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 1: league over the last twelve years has become kind of

1025
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 1: the skinny jeans Euro, League like it's a lot of

1026
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 1: centers that weigh two forty three and he's just a load.

1027
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 1: Physically the