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Speaker 1: Reveal reveally.

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Speaker 2: Look at this now, tip top Jesus. Oh you using

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Speaker 2: will be long. It's time to band. Oh yeah, Monday Morning,

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Speaker 2: Get Fired Up, live and direct from the Metal Larks

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Speaker 2: Studios in Manhattan. This is the best damn combat sports

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Speaker 2: show period. Yeah, it's It's Morning Combat. Here we go, Monday,

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Speaker 2: October twenty first, twenty and twenty four. Brian Campbell, your host,

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Speaker 2: Luke Thomas, the leading analyst and all of combat sports

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Speaker 2: today as my partner. Uh and we got a pretty

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Speaker 2: damn good show for the people today. Would you say,

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Speaker 2: who has a vape?

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Speaker 1: I can smoke? Surely one of the degenerates who works here?

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Speaker 1: What flavor is that? Ken? We might have to fight

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Speaker 1: for that vap.

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Speaker 2: I don't think if you guys share the vape, you

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Speaker 2: might as well just kiss at that point, right, I mean,

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Speaker 2: that's where do you want to kiss?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: There it is there. It is a big weekend in

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Speaker 2: combat sports, from not just the PFL having their biggest

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Speaker 2: card in history, to a UFC Apex card. How about

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Speaker 2: what went down in uh Orlando, PBC Tim Zoo got

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Speaker 2: sent down. We'll have a lot on that. We'll look

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Speaker 2: ahead to three oh eight, which is the first and

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Speaker 2: last title defense in Ilia Toporia's career.

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Speaker 1: Could be could I thought I was.

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Speaker 2: I was presenting that as a as an attack and

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Speaker 2: into and you just you just you just you just

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Speaker 2: shielded it.

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Speaker 1: Because you expected you bite on the faint. I don't bite.

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Speaker 2: You parried the punches, enrolled with it.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: Did you have a nice weekend taking your wife to

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Speaker 2: metal concerts?

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Speaker 1: So we had read How was the weather in Connecticut?

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Speaker 1: Was it good this weekend? I don't know. I was

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Speaker 1: in Orlando. Oh, that's right, you were. You were being

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Speaker 1: a bad father and husband. The weather in your nation's

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Speaker 1: capital was perfect. So we were outside both days.

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Speaker 2: Was there those pink flowers out? Is that only in

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Speaker 2: the spring?

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Speaker 1: You mean the cherry bloss Yes? Thanks, in the early

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Speaker 1: kind of spring. We're now in fall.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for yes.

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Speaker 1: Okay, But what I was gonna say is we we

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Speaker 1: went to the Hirschhorn exhibit. We watched there was a

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Speaker 1: Banksy and Bosquiyot exhibit.

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Speaker 2: So I took Matt Snyder loves Banksy? Does he Daniel

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Speaker 2: Snyder's nephew over there? Yes?

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Speaker 1: He hasn't read a book since high school? What are

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Speaker 1: you talking about?

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Speaker 2: Country Crypto?

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Speaker 1: The ones trying to make is We went outside, we

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Speaker 1: were on the National Mall. Is great. And then the

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Speaker 1: next day we went to I took Tookey to a

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Speaker 1: picnic that was awesome, beautiful weather, We played Frisbee, took

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Speaker 1: her to the creek. It was awesome. Shouts to Rock

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Speaker 1: Creek Park. And then I did go to an Opeth concert.

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Speaker 1: We ever heard of opith?

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Speaker 2: Uh No?

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Speaker 1: First of all in the merch for my wife. It

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Speaker 1: was for her birthday. Got some m K donks who

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Speaker 2: At the old concerts, we have dark souled fans, do

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Speaker 1: Shock or white guys with beards. That's our audience.

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Speaker 2: Definitely luke fans yea.

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Speaker 1: And then we saw the show. I don't know how

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Speaker 1: to explain Opeth. They have I would call it progressive metal,

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Speaker 2: They were playing tin pans for st Anger.

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Speaker 1: You know, they had a similar kind of journey where

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Speaker 2: They're like you can't even kill to this music.

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Speaker 1: It's so half their fan base left them. They split

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Speaker 1: the guys who row on the fucking ceiling or the floor.

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Speaker 1: This event was at the Warner Theater, so it had seats.

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Speaker 1: Everyone stood up the entire fucking time and didn't sit down.

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Speaker 1: So I I just sat for the whole show, and

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I didn't pay for standing room. Wow, that's

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Speaker 2: The only people that sit at metal shows are the

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Speaker 1: Usually you can stand for that. I'm just pointing out,

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Speaker 1: I want to listen with this music. Hold on this

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Speaker 1: kind of metal music. There's different kinds. This kind is

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Speaker 1: not the kind you can fucking dance too.

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Speaker 2: There's no dancing in metal.

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Speaker 1: It's just a bunch of skinny nerds who if they

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Speaker 2: Bitch.

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Speaker 1: You can do that sitting down, have a fucking seat.

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Speaker 2: Who put called in your cafe?

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Speaker 1: I'm so fucking tired, Yes, yes, I'm so fucking tired.

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Speaker 1: That alarm went off at five this morning and I

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Speaker 2: I'm so happy that you didn't bring a Bang or

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Speaker 2: pink Monster energy drink with you today.

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Speaker 1: I almost brought this, which is a cup of coffee

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Speaker 1: with a shot of espresso in it. It's called a

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Speaker 1: red Eye. The Lidia at Starbucks didn't know that. Also,

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Speaker 1: she spelled my name. Tell the audience what she spelled

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Speaker 1: My name.

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Speaker 2: As Andrew Luck.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is two times in a row

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Speaker 1: with two different people at the Starbucks didn't know how

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Speaker 1: to spell the biblical term luke. Uh. It's a coffee

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Speaker 1: with espress one. I was going to get this plus

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Speaker 2: I've got comm cure to your tiredness here. I've collected

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Speaker 2: some samples from a great company called Let's fucking Go Energy,

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Speaker 2: and they send these these dip pop packets that are

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Speaker 2: that have no tobacco in them, but they are little

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Speaker 2: bandits of uh of healthy and clean caffeine. I brought

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Speaker 2: you this orange flavor to take home with them. You

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Speaker 2: can try one right here, Luke.

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Speaker 1: You put it in.

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Speaker 2: It's called uh lf go let's fucking go energy. It's just,

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Speaker 2: you know, clean caffeine, good stuff. And you put that

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Speaker 2: you did it right now.

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Speaker 4: I am not dipping right now. I was just explaining

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Speaker 2: Hit that so but you know you're trained not to

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Speaker 2: swallow when you do dip pack it's in high school.

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Speaker 2: So here you gotta swallow, Luke. It's a lot like pornography.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what kind of pornography you're watching. That's

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Speaker 1: the taste you got.

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Speaker 2: You gotta try here.

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Speaker 1: Do you spit it out?

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Speaker 2: You put in your mouth and you suck on it

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Speaker 2: with your tongue.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure we should be doing this in the middle

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Speaker 1: of the fucking show. Hold on, do you do you

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Speaker 1: swallow the juice?

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Speaker 2: Yes, you swallow the juice. Let's fucking go. It's healthy

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Speaker 2: for you, all right. It wakes you up right away.

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Speaker 2: It's like what Connor McGregor does, but without the.

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Speaker 1: You see, you are aware this expired months ago, are

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Speaker 2: It still works though.

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Speaker 1: You see this expired in May. We're we're almost in November.

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Speaker 2: Not face, not faced, but not face. Still caffeine still

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Speaker 2: caffeine still works.

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Speaker 1: Luke, Holy shit, you are the general. Let me smell.

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Speaker 1: Oh it smells.

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Speaker 2: It was one out of Emory ten packets has heroin.

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Speaker 1: And you know what it smells like, dehydrated like Monster

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Speaker 1: energy drink. Yeah, I'm gonna have one of those. Show.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's f and go. We got a great

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Speaker 2: show for you today. You can buy some merch by

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Speaker 2: the way, like this fantastic bomber jacket just wearing by

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Speaker 2: going to Morning Combat Dots store. Well, you see how

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Speaker 2: perky and happy I am after one. Let's f and

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Speaker 2: go pack it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so again, you don't chew it, you just suck

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like mine? Okay, yeah, thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: So uh, I was trying to be like, should I

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Speaker 2: You can follow us? There you go, perfect timing Long Island,

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Speaker 2: Luke on the socials below. Let's bring in the third

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Speaker 2: member of our team from uh from an Australian man's

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Speaker 2: ball bag. It is Luke No Seda, I didn't need

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Speaker 2: of the main Card minute, like from his all the

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Speaker 4: I had a great weekend. We had another perfect week

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Speaker 4: four for four on the Main Card show.

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Speaker 2: You know it happens when he has a perfect week.

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Speaker 4: No, I ripped the Tyson bong. We do a couple

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Speaker 4: of debs, you know. I did a funnel on this shream.

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Speaker 4: We got crazy on this one, but took a frat house,

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Speaker 1: Dude.

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Speaker 4: Well, Rob fon I said, if Rob font wins, here

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Speaker 4: is a plus three sixty dog, I'll do a funnel

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Speaker 4: and he broke.

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Speaker 3: He did it.

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Speaker 1: I had to. I have to tell you your call

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Speaker 4: Three sixty dude?

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Speaker 1: That we said it on Friday? That was out to

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Speaker 2: You coming through there. That's Mike Owens, Media's guy right there.

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Speaker 2: He's in the camp. You know, he's in Team four dud.

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Speaker 1: So he left Tyson and Chardie. I think they're still friends,

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Speaker 4: Tyson was still in his corner, but Frost was the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, but like you know, they clearly is a

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Speaker 4: We were saying, if Rob had lost, is that the

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Speaker 4: end of New England cartel? They're kind of on a

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Speaker 4: huge skid between him and Cater.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what Cater's up to next, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're right, thet's just fight each other at this point.

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Speaker 1: Fucking get it over.

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Speaker 2: I just see did an appearance on Duty's podcast. There

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Speaker 2: she loves the gloves.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, she's going to Abu Dhabi for the first

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she's got a good backstory.

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Speaker 1: his spanishness? They should, he understand, I understand. I don't

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Speaker 1: No, it seemed like the people were asking what did

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Speaker 1: I saw people on social media say, like, Francis, you

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Speaker 1: Francis didn't do that. He waited for the right hand

440
00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:23,360
Speaker 1: to come all the way across and then got underneath.

441
00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,840
Speaker 1: Obviously John did something similar, But remember two things. One,

442
00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:30,880
Speaker 1: Francis had an opponent who was stayed in his stance,

443
00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:33,879
Speaker 1: so he fired his cross, but he didn't bring his

444
00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:39,119
Speaker 1: other hip with him. Fucking Cyril Gone switched stances, motherfucking

445
00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:43,600
Speaker 1: into John Jones like all time, bad decision making, and

446
00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,560
Speaker 1: he's not the puncher the hen and fit. So I

447
00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:48,720
Speaker 1: think that Gone people were gonna say, oh, I'm saying

448
00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:51,359
Speaker 1: that Beaheita is a better fighter than Gone. That is

449
00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:54,120
Speaker 1: not what I'm saying. But I am pointing out meaningful

450
00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:57,920
Speaker 1: differences between these two. Between Gon and Jones and now

451
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Speaker 1: Francis and uh Fahira, they're similar, but they're meaningfully different. Too.

452
00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,359
Speaker 2: Friend of the program, Bretto Komodo on the n Cage

453
00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:09,200
Speaker 2: Interviews on Saturday, Let's check in on Francis in this

454
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Speaker 2: emotional aftermath of the victory.

455
00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:12,480
Speaker 1: I don't know.

456
00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:16,600
Speaker 3: I can't just think about anything then my son Koby,

457
00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,480
Speaker 3: you know, Uh, I only take this fight.

458
00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:20,120
Speaker 2: Because of him.

459
00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,800
Speaker 1: How I died to fight for him? About that and

460
00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:25,760
Speaker 1: I'm done. I don't know.

461
00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:30,800
Speaker 3: I hope, I hope they can't remember his name, because

462
00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:34,720
Speaker 3: without Koby, we wouldn't be here tonight. I wouldn't have fights.

463
00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:40,480
Speaker 3: But thank you everyone for coming and uh, thank you

464
00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:44,639
Speaker 3: for seven Sadie here. Thank you for Riat to be

465
00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:48,760
Speaker 3: a great horse, Kabbis having us here, cooking, good care

466
00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:55,080
Speaker 3: of us, for the people here. Very lovely somebody. I

467
00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:59,280
Speaker 3: think today I have a modern fan fan base in Saudi.

468
00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,640
Speaker 3: I think you Rihanna have a what I could call

469
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Speaker 3: you in another way?

470
00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:09,520
Speaker 2: Okay, if I thank you guys, look, listen, Separate from

471
00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:13,399
Speaker 2: the fight element of it, we're both bothers. What he

472
00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:18,320
Speaker 2: went through was hell, fifteen month old son, you know,

473
00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:24,159
Speaker 2: out of nowhere to bite down and go back to

474
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Speaker 2: your job and do what he did really regardless of

475
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,120
Speaker 2: the result, but also to go in there and dominate

476
00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,119
Speaker 2: and devastate like he did. But that's a that's a

477
00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,920
Speaker 2: real man. Because when you really read Francis's quotes about

478
00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:38,720
Speaker 2: the obvious nature of the emotional toll and impact and

479
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Speaker 2: now that he wants people to remember his son Kobe's name,

480
00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:45,000
Speaker 2: and it so remarkable and inspirational. A lot of ways,

481
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Speaker 2: I don't know how he was able to get it

482
00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:50,880
Speaker 2: back on track. You see those quotes where he said,

483
00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,480
Speaker 2: you know, it would it would take a million years

484
00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:55,359
Speaker 2: to grieve this, and that wouldn't even be enough. And

485
00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,879
Speaker 2: I could fully understand that we know the love between

486
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Speaker 2: a parent and a child. How do you look at

487
00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:01,760
Speaker 2: him as dad, at what he went out and did

488
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:02,399
Speaker 2: on Saturday?

489
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Speaker 1: I want to answer that. Can we see the other clip? Sure,

490
00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,840
Speaker 1: there's a clip where Francis reflects on his toughness. Can

491
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:08,480
Speaker 1: see that one on?

492
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Speaker 3: Look?

493
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Speaker 1: You know.

494
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,800
Speaker 3: I used to I mean, they've been telling me that

495
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 3: I'm tough to the point that I get to believe

496
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,840
Speaker 3: that I'm tough, and then I recently just find out

497
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,800
Speaker 3: that I wasn't tough. I wasn't that tough. You know,

498
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 3: like life can let you take evance and think you're

499
00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:33,040
Speaker 3: you're running away and then it hits you really bad,

500
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:37,400
Speaker 3: like from the front, and then, uh, you know, it's

501
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 3: something that I never imagine. I mean, I never know

502
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Speaker 3: how I feel. I have seen people going through it,

503
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Speaker 3: and then I haven't out of compassion, I haven't trying

504
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:51,200
Speaker 3: to to understand like how he must feel, but never

505
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,920
Speaker 3: get anywhere close to how I feel exactly. This is

506
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Speaker 3: something to think.

507
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Speaker 1: About dealing with training how bad holds it to focus

508
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 1: on the he was pretty hard.

509
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 3: You know, he was had at any moment from the

510
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:12,200
Speaker 3: beginning to the end. But I think it's one of

511
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,200
Speaker 3: those things that you kind of like ask yourself, it's

512
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:20,600
Speaker 3: gonna ever be over? And uh, you think him, he

513
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 3: might never be over. You just might as well learn

514
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 3: how to row with it, to live with it, because

515
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Speaker 3: in certain cases I would have take time, you know,

516
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 3: to to grief. But how long would that take? I

517
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,159
Speaker 3: don't think there is enough time for me to do that.

518
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:42,439
Speaker 3: I don't think a lifetime would be enough to grief.

519
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 3: And so is it just about like keep going? You know,

520
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,919
Speaker 3: is a new life that I'm a new So.

521
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Speaker 1: I want to make a point here, Like Habib and

522
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Speaker 1: Francis kind of both have this ability where neither as

523
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Speaker 1: a native or really even a fluent English speaker, and

524
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,200
Speaker 1: yet both of them, in their own way have a

525
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 1: command of the language that's beyond ours. And Francis, in

526
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,680
Speaker 1: his particular case, if there's a through line in his

527
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 1: career both from what he says on the personal side

528
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 1: in dealing with this, but this was how the personal

529
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 1: side was intersecting with the professional side, and how he

530
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 1: was going to resolve those differences. And his answer was

531
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:27,880
Speaker 1: just to keep going, basically. But the way in which

532
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:29,920
Speaker 1: he describes it, as you just heard it will take

533
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 1: your breath away. He has such a rich and thoughtful

534
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:40,120
Speaker 1: inner life and inner monologue and inner I'm not religious,

535
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:41,680
Speaker 1: but I don't know what the word would be, but

536
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 1: some kind of inner spirituality, some kind of thing like

537
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 1: that he shines brightly, some kind of sense of self.

538
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 1: But the way which he thinks it through and processes

539
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 1: it and tries to understand it, he is extremely smart,

540
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 1: extremely wise. And if you go and look at his

541
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 1: professional decisions and now look at his person decisions, it

542
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 1: just seems to be like no one makes them flawlessly,

543
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 1: but he makes them very considered and very adept. As

544
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 1: a consequence, even amidst it's incredibathomable loss.

545
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 2: He doesn't need to be that philosophical and perfect in

546
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 2: the way he presents it, but we get it. He's

547
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 2: so relatable yet unrelatable due to how miraculous his inner

548
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,159
Speaker 2: strength is. And the people that have the most wisdom

549
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 2: when you meet them in life are tend to be

550
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 2: the people who have been through the most, and that's

551
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 2: certainly been the life cycle of Francis's life. So to

552
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 2: deliver this performance under those circumstances, it's certainly remarkable to

553
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 2: be able to express it, like you said, in the

554
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:43,640
Speaker 2: way he did, Like we don't really do power ringings

555
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,399
Speaker 2: of our favorite people in combat sports, but like I

556
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 2: don't really get and I know a lot of people,

557
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 2: like in the Dana versus Francis debate and who really

558
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,160
Speaker 2: was right or wrong? People just you know, if you're

559
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 2: a UFC loyalist, you're like, Dana was right, this guy

560
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 2: didn't want tofy jah blah blah blah, Like that's ahole,

561
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 2: Like bs, when is this guy made a misstake? When

562
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,160
Speaker 2: has he done something where we're like, well, I don't

563
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 2: agree with what he just said or what he just did,

564
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 2: Like it's a pretty remarkable human being, and you could

565
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 2: say we don't see that too often in combat sports,

566
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 2: which sometimes can bring in sort of the people on

567
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 2: the edge of society looking for a purpose or a

568
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 2: way out in some cases. In this case, like, I

569
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 2: don't even think we give him enough superlatives to really

570
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,919
Speaker 2: say as a person what he represents like it's as

571
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:27,400
Speaker 2: pure and babyface and remarkable as I mean, how could

572
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 2: you not. Every aspect of his life is like this

573
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 2: in structural manual on how to push through and persevere

574
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 2: and chase your goals and despite the pain you're going through.

575
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 2: I mean, it is incredible. And I don't mean to

576
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 2: tie that into how PFL is going to market him

577
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 2: or what that means for the future.

578
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 1: They don't know how to work it.

579
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 2: They don't, But like you know, we're naturally going to say, Okay,

580
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 2: who should he fight next? The biggest win for PFL

581
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 2: may have actually been that he won and now it's Francis.

582
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 2: Is that attraction? I think performances like that, that speech afterwards,

583
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,199
Speaker 2: bringing his personal life to the center and showing us

584
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 2: his pain, it only makes you want to see him more.

585
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 2: I don't even care the level of competition. I just

586
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 2: want to see that guy compete. I want to see

587
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 2: him carry out his life story in front of me.

588
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: I agree, I wouldn't put him up for sainthood. I mean,

589
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to go with that amount of Saudi

590
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 1: blood money. Let's just be honest about that. However, I

591
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 1: don't really care that much about it.

592
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 2: He crawled through the shaws, He's done more.

593
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't really care. I'm just saying, no

594
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 1: one's perfect.

595
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 2: That's you're like, hold on, BC, Is anyone in combat

596
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 2: sports really that good of for people?

597
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 1: I don't know. None of us are really all that well.

598
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 1: So I don't want to make a point. People are

599
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,919
Speaker 1: gonna say, oh, PFL doesn't know how to promote him.

600
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,879
Speaker 1: Neither did UFC. I don't think they really ever did

601
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 1: it all that great either. I mean they did it

602
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 1: certainly well at times, for sure.

603
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 2: But they didn't have him on Good Good Morning America

604
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 2: retelling his story.

605
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 1: They promoted him as this undeniable juggernaut of force is

606
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: a perfectly fine way to promote him at times. But

607
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 1: I think that what all the promotions he's worked with

608
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 1: have kind of never really understood is you've got a

609
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 1: guy here who is made of something. We have been

610
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 1: around the fight game for so long. I can count

611
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: guys like this on my I only need two fingers.

612
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 1: Who's the giant who lost a bunch of fingers in

613
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: the fireworks accident? What was his name?

614
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 2: Who are you referring to?

615
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 1: Jason like JPP and I could still identify all that.

616
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,360
Speaker 2: Instead, you act like Ritchie incognito all the time. It's

617
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 2: a great teammate.

618
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,880
Speaker 1: What's his favorite letter of the alphabet? I think it's yeah,

619
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: I think it's But anyway, I just I just want

620
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: to point out Francis is so full of depth. He's

621
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: actually a little bit of a challenge for promotions who

622
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 1: just need an easy class to sell. He's got too

623
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: much for them, and so they just kind of.

624
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 2: He's strong, He's big Battle of the Giant, Battle.

625
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: Of the Giants, and it's like, okay, that's not nothing,

626
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: but that's not the real story.

627
00:28:58,200 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 2: I bet the smart cage came up with that. If

628
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 2: we're to have the conversation about what's next for John Jones,

629
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 2: we I'm saying Francis, we can't not mention John Jones.

630
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 2: Speaking of John, he tweeted about this let's check it

631
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 2: out over here from Bonie. What an amazing job Francis

632
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 2: did tonight. Displayed a complete mm A game, great kicks,

633
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 2: great takedowns. It feels good to see him shine. Wow, congratulations, Champ,

634
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 2: I see you.

635
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: What does he spell Bonie wrong?

636
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 2: Period? End quote?

637
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 5: What is?

638
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 2: What do you think the boney nickname references? Because I

639
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 2: never really got why he named his own bone?

640
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 1: Well is John bones Jones?

641
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 4: No?

642
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 2: Yeah?

643
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: Is that it?

644
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 2: Is it just instead of I don't or is he

645
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 2: a big like Bonie I E fan? Whatever?

646
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: Hey, maybe it's maybe they're just paying.

647
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 2: Him for the you know, I mean. The one thing

648
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 2: John didn't say in there is I'd love to fight

649
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 2: you one day.

650
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: That's what you say to a guy when you're wishing.

651
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 2: Yes, have don call called Dana and and and Hunter.

652
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: And I was gonna say that. I actually feel like

653
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: what John said there was to a degree genuine heartfelt. Yes,

654
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: I absolutely think John Jones could be a real man

655
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: in person, sure enough. However, I also feel like that

656
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: was him being like, we're never fucking fighting, you know

657
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Speaker 1: what I mean? Like that was how I took that.

658
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 2: So when we talk about what's next, let's get over

659
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 2: that hump. First, does the results of this change anything

660
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 2: in the public pressure court of public opinion? The business

661
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 2: futures of TKO Global I mean, or TKO Group? Are

662
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 2: they more? Are we more likely in the TKO Group

663
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 2: era to see something in that in the past was

664
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 2: impossible a UFC crossover with another promotion? Does this event

665
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 2: in a result change any of that? Or should we

666
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 2: put this to bed and figure out what free agent

667
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 2: heavyweight out there is going to be an ext for.

668
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 1: I don't think that there is going to be a

669
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 1: free agent and heavy at heavyweight, although one never knows.

670
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: I do want to point out something like people are

671
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: giving Saudi Arabia a lot of credit for making fights happen,

672
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: and to be clear, they are entitled, yes to a

673
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 1: fair amount of credit, whatever else one wants to say

674
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: about them. Who is putting up money to make many

675
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: of these fights both on MMA but more so certainly

676
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: on the boxing side possible? It is definitely the Saudis.

677
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: We are going to get a test of their limit.

678
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: We're gonna We're gonna find out what their upper bound limits,

679
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: because they've got all the money in the world to

680
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: make John Jones or even Tom aspinall or whoever ends

681
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: up having it again, whoever ends up that being versus Francis.

682
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: You know Francis would be willing. You certainly know Turkey

683
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: probably wants it. You certainly know he's got the resources

684
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: to make it happen. What would be the only obstacle,

685
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: Brian Campbell that could potentially get in the way. If

686
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: you have PFL enthusiasm, ESPN plus support, Turkey's unlimited money

687
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: as well as his interest, what would be the only

688
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 1: potential factor holding that up.

689
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 2: I'll give you two initials for two words, and they

690
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 2: are uf Yes, yes, yes, I thank see you.

691
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: So if the UFC doesn't want to co promote, even

692
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: under these circumstances, there is literally nothing short of the

693
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: force of law that could appen.

694
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 2: Go past that if that ever did happen, if because look,

695
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 2: remember Turkey was talking about getting Aerial and Dana together,

696
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 2: the ultimate breaking of red. If they could get Don

697
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 2: Davis and Peter and Murray or whatever the guy's name

698
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 2: is in Dana and all of them and Ari Emanuel

699
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 2: at the table and they were just like, look, we're

700
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 2: gonna put so much money in your company's pocket. This

701
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 2: is going to be the biggest MMA event of all time.

702
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 2: This is going to be Fador versus Crow Cop But

703
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 2: in UFC form, would it have to be a UFC

704
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 2: pay per view airing on whatever UFC network it is

705
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 2: at the time, And would PFL do that as long

706
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 2: as he was able to come in with the PFL

707
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 2: belt around him as PFL heavyweight show.

708
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: I think PFL would give up literally everything including that,

709
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: just to get the money and exposure from him, and

710
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 1: including even the ability for Francis to win the heavyweight title.

711
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: So what Pride used to do at times was they

712
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: would have like takenr. Gomi as their lightweight champion and

713
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 1: he would he would fight for another person with the title.

714
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: Then they just book him later in a fight and

715
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: he could win or lose it, And in fact one

716
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: time he did lose it, but they never made the

717
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 1: fight a title contest, so he never lost the belt

718
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: even though he got fucking submitted by Arcus Aurelio. You could,

719
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: I guarantee you they would give up that and everything

720
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: else just to make that possible on a UFC broadcast.

721
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 2: See if UFC's ESPN deal wasn't coming up soon, I

722
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 2: would think that maybe we should start talking about this,

723
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 2: because if it was all under the same network anyway

724
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 2: and it didn't matter, does the networks change it at all,

725
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 2: or you're saying it doesn't matter, it's gonna be on

726
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 2: UFC pay per view if it ever would happened. Yes,

727
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 2: I know Dana would never want to under all the circuit,

728
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 2: all the reasons we know. Does Ari Emmanuel and others

729
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 2: at that level with TKO trump him? Could they talk

730
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 2: him into that?

731
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: Again, we're going to get the limits of what Turkey's

732
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 1: willing to do to make big fights happen. Okay, interesting,

733
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: he can't make it happen as basically the guy with

734
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: an ATM car to a petrol state. I don't know

735
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: that it's possible. All right.

736
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 2: If we're going to talk about possible francis next opponents

737
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 2: in the smart cage, we can have the same debate

738
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 2: we did when he signed with them in twenty twenty

739
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 2: three and go, you know Junior Desantos, who, by the way,

740
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 2: took the game Bread contract over this possibility, Derek Lewis,

741
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 2: who resigned with the So it's slim pickings. What about this?

742
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 2: What about the same thing that we're trying to back

743
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 2: Dana into a corner to do. Can we do that

744
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 2: with Shatre's guy and a totally Mallikin, one of the

745
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 2: best heavyweights in the world. Do you think that's something

746
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 2: that could relatively easily happen so that when we're going, like,

747
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 2: you know, maybe Francis does come back next against a

748
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 2: washed X name and mops the floor with him to

749
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 2: keep keep the money going free pfl. But is that

750
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 2: a fight that can be built too that you think

751
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 2: would be worth it? Because I know Malkin's not a

752
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 2: household name, but hardcore guys know that this guy's one

753
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:33,479
Speaker 2: of the biggest badasses in the world.

754
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: You make that f and Francis has beaten better guys,

755
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: has faced better guys, has much better punching power, but

756
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: Malakin's smaller, quicker and can wrestle. That's an interesting fight.

757
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 2: Would you call Mallikin gas station fador but not as no,

758
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 2: he's a little bit better than that, but not as

759
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 2: an insult, as a compliment.

760
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 1: Brian Campbell gas station fad or? Okay, you know what

761
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: I mean.

762
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 2: So you could still eat.

763
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: There, Yeah, it'd be like a wah while where you

764
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: could definitely still get like a lot of cool things. Uh,

765
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 1: I think that fight can be made and should be made,

766
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: and I realize it's delicate. How do you do it

767
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: where everyone can benefit even the event that your guy loses.

768
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 1: There are complications related to that, but I don't think

769
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: it's all that complicated in terms of finding some kind

770
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: of crossover deal that is mutually beneficial, especially as one

771
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,720
Speaker 1: moves to a more muli time model out of Thailand.

772
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 1: They've cut their costs, they moved their financial headquarters. They're

773
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 1: not in MMA as much as they used to be.

774
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: Brian Campbell won't stop smirking.

775
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 2: Because I have an idea that I know you'll shoot down,

776
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 2: but I love the idea. Okay, So imagine if forty

777
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 2: two year old Kane Velasquez gets sentenced for jail in

778
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 2: this upcoming trial and then he's just like f it

779
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 2: before I go in one more time.

780
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: He already lost to Francis, I know, but.

781
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 2: The knee fell apart and it wasn't a real fight.

782
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: Is he still deeper even more situated.

783
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 2: I'm just trying think, what's the biggest name you could

784
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 2: get that's not with the UFC right now?

785
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: But is he?

786
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 2: But actually he still is tied to the UFC probably.

787
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: Contracts I would imagine he is or you know, I okay.

788
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 2: So that fight is a non startered to what's realistic,

789
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 2: then what's the next option?

790
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 3: Is it?

791
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 2: Anti?

792
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 1: I think that if they can't get Mallikan, and even

793
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: they can't get Mallikan, that's not going to sell well

794
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: on pay per view. Well, that would be a very

795
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: good fight.

796
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 2: Who's a somewhat recently retired, still in their early forties

797
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 2: still would have a marketable shot.

798
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 1: I think we need to just look at this reality

799
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: and be like, the reason why Francis can't get fights

800
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,399
Speaker 1: is not because the PFL is not making it worth

801
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: the while of a potential challenger. It's because the contracts

802
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 1: are so long inside the UFC, and by the way,

803
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 1: other promotions play these games too. But the reality is

804
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: we're talking about the possible contenders he could face. They

805
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: are all with the UFC, and those contracts are extended

806
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 1: and so long that there's not enough of a rotation

807
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: to get them out, and even when there is, they

808
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: find ways to kind of cleverly undercut it. He has

809
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: to fight Deontae Wilder. I don't know who else he

810
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 1: could feel I saw.

811
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 2: Saw boxing in boxing the PFL won't get money in

812
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 2: that unless they do a hybrid fight.

813
00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:00,000
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know what option PFL has cannot.

814
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you two of them and see if

815
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:01,760
Speaker 2: they're acceptable.

816
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: Okay.

817
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 2: One is the recently knocked out Ryan Bader. Let's say

818
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 2: he gets a tune.

819
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: Absolutely not.

820
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 2: Two is former Belatory light heavyweight champion who's now a

821
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 2: heavyweight for Deeem Nemkoff.

822
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 1: The deem Nemkov is a decent name you could go to. Yes,

823
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 1: that is somebody that's not gonna sell a dime one.

824
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 1: But is that a legitimate fight? Ye?

825
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, And fans would not shot on that, right, They'd

826
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 2: be like, okay, let's well, yes they would.

827
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: They would say, vi Nemkov is not quality blah blah blah,

828
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: but he is quality. He is quite good.

829
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 2: That's a tough Are there any other large light heavyweights

830
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 2: that are that would fit this bill?

831
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: If I was Johnny Walker, why are you fighting in

832
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: the UFC? Like You're like, if you're gonna fight in

833
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: the UFC and you want to be a champion, you

834
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,359
Speaker 1: need to be like considerably better than your peers. Right,

835
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 1: He's not that, but he is, dude, he's got the donk.

836
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: You know, he's just gyrating this crotch at all times.

837
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,760
Speaker 1: Kind of bit going on. He could make a splash

838
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: at outside the UFC, I think, much better than he

839
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,040
Speaker 1: could inside. It's time for him to realize what the

840
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: future is.

841
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 2: This is also an also a non starter due to contracts.

842
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 2: But do you think Poeton would have the balls to

843
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 2: step in there at heavyweight against I.

844
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: Think Poton have the balls to step in there against

845
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: Thanos if you gave him an opportunity, you know what

846
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: I mean? Like yeah, and this is what I mean.

847
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 1: Like Francis, if he had enough contenders, could be doing

848
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,320
Speaker 1: some really really interesting things at MMA. But the reality

849
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 1: with the PFL is they have tried to make a

850
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: nice They have tried to feather a nest or a

851
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: potential contender. Remember not just one, but two million dollars

852
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: to anyone who faces Francis, But they can't get out

853
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: of their contracts. So there you go.

854
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 2: If he hadn't tragically passed, would Rumble Johnson be in

855
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 2: this mix?

856
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 1: He would be in this mix? Yes, interesting he would be.

857
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 2: Let's go to topic number two, Luken's about the PFL

858
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 2: event as a whole which was not just Francis. This

859
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 2: main card, at least on paper, was strong. I don't

860
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 2: know if it was, you know, better than the sphere

861
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 2: like PFL Brass was trying to tell us, but this

862
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 2: Coleman was fantastic. We'll get to the individual pieces. I

863
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 2: want to ask you as a whole though, having watched

864
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 2: the entire broadcast in full, Luke Thomas, give me a

865
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 2: grade or PFL staging not their first pay per view,

866
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,439
Speaker 2: but their first sort of super fight, what they're trying

867
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 2: to do to stand out and really compete with the UFC.

868
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 2: How do you grade the event?

869
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:17,800
Speaker 1: So I talked to Long Island Luke about this. He

870
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,359
Speaker 1: had a higher grade than me. I think you could

871
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: average them out and get somewhere, probably close to the

872
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: right grade. I've had my initial I kind of gone

873
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,399
Speaker 1: back and forth between five and six. I think six

874
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: is a little bit better. I could even I could

875
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 1: even squint and give it a seven. But that's a

876
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: little high. That's a little high. Let's talk about what

877
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,839
Speaker 1: went right. Co main event fantastic. Let's talk about main

878
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 1: event wasn't super spectacular, but we just said it was

879
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 1: a triumphant moment for a really important figure in Mma

880
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: wasn't boring, It wasn't boring. Fine, So those things were great.

881
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: Paul Hughes versus AJ McKee fantastic. The Johnny Evlin fight

882
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 1: was terrible. And then there are just two donks. What

883
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,280
Speaker 1: the fuck are they doing on this card? Ray Lewis

884
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: was there, stabbing them up, just stabbing.

885
00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 2: It was Turkey not there? Do they need to kill it?

886
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: Not see Turkey? Christiana Rinaldo was there. I'm not saying

887
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 1: Rick Turkey wasn't there. I just didn't see him, and

888
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,359
Speaker 1: usually Turkey likes to be seen, so I didn't see.

889
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 2: That's just such a wild card. Ray Lewis showing up.

890
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: But ray Lewis and Christiana Ronaldo, it's like, what, okay?

891
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:17,399
Speaker 1: So that was interesting. There was nobody in attendance. They

892
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,240
Speaker 1: might as well have been fighting in the fucking Apex.

893
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 2: And there's more people in that Washington d c Amphith,

894
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 2: that theater that they played at that time.

895
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: It seemed like there was literally, I think more people

896
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: at the anthems what you're talking about than it was

897
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: in the whatever the arena was in Riot. It means

898
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 1: I could not believe how lifeless it was. The pacing

899
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 1: was good. The pacing was very very good. I think

900
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 1: a lot because a lot of the fights went to decision.

901
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: But nevertheless that was great. So there was some positives.

902
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: Commentary team I like a lot, in particular Dan Hardy

903
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: and Hardy was an MVP and Harty is excellent on

904
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: those broadcasts. I think Randy starting a little bit.

905
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 2: I hate to say that. I mean he is speaking

906
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 2: to get old. He should have came on our show

907
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 2: that time. We never told the truth. But look, Randy's

908
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,919
Speaker 2: one of my favorite starting to get old, favorite color

909
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 2: commentators in MME history. But yes, it seems to be

910
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 2: a he's on the other side of the mountain.

911
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: But still so I think this. I think this. Did

912
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 1: they provide a reasonably compelling broadcast of televised MMA in

913
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: a way that they were able to both entertain and

914
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:18,760
Speaker 1: then flex their muscles as the PFL. Somewhat is the answer. Somewhat.

915
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 1: There were positives that I've identified, but it did not

916
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 1: feel to me like the PFL took flight. The one time,

917
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,439
Speaker 1: for example, where I felt like a brand took flight

918
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: off of a card and their promotion of it and

919
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: it all kind of working was the first time. For example,

920
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: AJ McKee fought Pitbull for Bellatore and I remember tweeting

921
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 1: that night. If you want to know what a big

922
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: night at Strikeforce felt like, it felt like that, you

923
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: remember what I forget what city was in, but remember A. J.

924
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: McKee had all of his fights in Bellatour. He was

925
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: rising through the ranks. He finally made it to the

926
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 1: final boss and then he wins in spectacular fashion. They

927
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 1: promoted it the right way. This guy was set up

928
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: the right.

929
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 2: We were saying AJ McKee should fight on free CBS

930
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 2: after that fight, like that's how big that big that was.

931
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: That was a really well done job by everyone at

932
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: Belatore to really make that.

933
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 4: Work within Inglewood, Connecticut. At first fight.

934
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 1: Inglewood, California, bong hits no Seito, Let's go to San Diego,

935
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: Rhode Island. You fucking moron? All right?

936
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 2: All right, that was a little harsh. She does he

937
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 2: does keep it, yea. You ever notice how like they

938
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 2: allow his face on Friday Show but not Mondays.

939
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, They're like get that fuck go brush your teeth,

940
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: all right. The point I'm trying to make here was

941
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 1: it's not British.

942
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:30,399
Speaker 2: He's Australian dude.

943
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: Part of being mean to other guys is that it

944
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense. You're just being mean?

945
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 2: Holy shit?

946
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 1: Can I do that? All? Right? Lastly, I felt like

947
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: it was a decent showcase of what they had to offer,

948
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 1: as well as a showcase of what lacks in their product.

949
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 1: And BC we've talked about it, how they're just really

950
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 1: a financial asset. Yes, with the no crowd thing there,

951
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,439
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do because he who pays

952
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,760
Speaker 1: the piper calls the tune. If the as they're footing

953
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 1: the bill, this is just gonna be what it's gonna be.

954
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: But there is no soul to the product. Agreed, There

955
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: is no core identity into the product. And I don't

956
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: think that for all the good that came out of

957
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: this card, and there was some good, plenty of good

958
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 1: actually that never came across.

959
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's just the crowd energy, right Like for example,

960
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 2: that that PBC show we did in Orlando. I mean

961
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 2: that room probably had two thousand people in it, but

962
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 2: they were fired the hell up and going nuts during

963
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:30,760
Speaker 2: those good action fights.

964
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 1: Those it just were real boxing fans.

965
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 2: So you were like, oh my god, this is I

966
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:37,439
Speaker 2: wonder what this looks like TV Like this fuels big

967
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 2: in this moment. They have never had that, and that's

968
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 2: probably the biggest problem is they don't care about ticket sales.

969
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 2: We're talking about that nauseum at all. It seems to

970
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 2: be only about the broadcasting deals to really fuel them.

971
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 2: But I really wish to use that axiom again, that's

972
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,760
Speaker 2: the right word for that. They always build horizontally, build,

973
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 2: build up, but stack your assets on top of each other.

974
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 2: Let's start it. And some of that is building a

975
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 2: fan base, building somebody that can show up and bring excitement.

976
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:07,280
Speaker 2: You know, I wish they had that environment.

977
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 1: How can you push a product if you don't know

978
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: what its identity is. Yes, they keep talking like we're

979
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 1: the duopoly in MMA. If the goal of the event

980
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 1: was to say that, hey, if you're a UFC fan,

981
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 1: you can watch this and you can get an equivalent

982
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: experience to watching the UFC, did they succeed on that level? No,

983
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 1: of course they did not. That doesn't mean they didn't

984
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: have nice graphics packages. Doesn't mean that the broadcast didn't

985
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: move nimbly. It did, or that you didn't have some

986
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: premier quality talent on there. You did First Fight and

987
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 1: Last Fight, plus Coleman. You had some real quality, like

988
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: legitimately great fights on there, but it's hard to walk

989
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: away from that knowing what the PFL.

990
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 2: Is, what is this? What they should be is, let's

991
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 2: identify our four or five biggest names that are a

992
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 2: combination of marketing people like Francis and Jake, people on

993
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 2: the rise like Paul Hughes, who we're going to talk about,

994
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:58,440
Speaker 2: you know, the patchy mixes, the guys that you can

995
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 2: actually make the claim that they're in the top five

996
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 2: in their division on a global level and do a

997
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 2: somewhat regular pay per use. I mean, isn't that the

998
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:08,280
Speaker 2: model of how you try to compete with the UFC.

999
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 2: You put you front load all of your biggest apsets,

1000
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 2: even if some of the assets are smoking mirror. I mean,

1001
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:17,320
Speaker 2: that was arguably what Belacher was doing during the Circus

1002
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 2: Fight era when they were doing huge cable numbers on

1003
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 2: Paramount with Ken Shamrock at Age fifty and Dotta five thousand.

1004
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 2: But they were getting enough commercial benefit from that that

1005
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 2: you were saying, look, they're not the UFC, but they

1006
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 2: are a competitor of some degree because a certain nights

1007
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 2: per year they're going to put something out there that

1008
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 2: if they did go head to head, they might they

1009
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 2: might win that battle.

1010
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 1: So with Kimbosl they reached not just him, but he

1011
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: was a big feature of it. They reached enough into

1012
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 1: the mainstream, yes, where they were pulling audiences as big

1013
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: or bigger than Fiber six million, Yes, bigger than UFC

1014
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: broadcast in a way that you just cannot imagine what

1015
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: it would be like for an MMA promotion today to

1016
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: have the equivalent kind of mainstream reach.

1017
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 2: Now that was before the streaming launch, so those numbers

1018
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 2: don't apply to today, but still, you know, five and

1019
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 2: six million they were peaking in viewers. I really wish

1020
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 2: the PFL, as we talked about, would kick away the

1021
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 2: season fourmat don't take Paul Hughes and go put them

1022
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 2: on the Bellator international scene, now where maybe you do

1023
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 2: a good house in Dublin, but it's like, put your

1024
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 2: assets together, how do you succeed in MMA? It looks

1025
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 2: like they're gonna need the pay per view model, So

1026
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 2: let's put four or five pay per views out there

1027
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 2: on the schedule, and let's load them up with your

1028
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 2: best fighters competing, not for multiple titles, meaning we're gonna

1029
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 2: have a regular PFL season title and an Intergalactic super

1030
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 2: fight title, and then there's that Bellator title. If you

1031
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:35,720
Speaker 2: have more than one in the same promotion, they're meaningless.

1032
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 2: We learn this in boxing. Put it all together because

1033
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 2: if I see Paul Hughes have a breakthrough, when what

1034
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 2: I want to ask next is who's the lightweight champion

1035
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 2: and how quickly can we make that if I happen.

1036
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 2: That's the one thing one does. One championship does well

1037
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 2: to stay afloat and to put out the type of

1038
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 2: cards for the most part that we will shoehorn into

1039
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 2: our rundown and talk about because they tend to put

1040
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 2: this champion against this champion and bring them together. They

1041
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 2: tend to basically take the menu items available and put

1042
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 2: them all together and say, look, we want you, we

1043
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:03,919
Speaker 2: want you to give us a chance.

1044
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: Let's do it.

1045
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 2: That's what pfil has to start doing. And there were

1046
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 2: some good moments and good stories that we have to

1047
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 2: talk about that comin event Chris Cyborg at what thirty nine, Yes,

1048
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 2: we just all sort of said, look, it's going to

1049
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 2: catch up to her eventually. Pacheco has an iron chin

1050
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 2: and big power. This will be the time where she

1051
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 2: hands the torch off to the next you know, Brazilian

1052
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 2: slugger Luke, She's not done yet. Her fifth major organization,

1053
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 2: she wins a major title, taking a hard earned unanimous

1054
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 2: decision from this new destroyer on the block. How impressive

1055
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 2: Luke was Chris Cyborg in this regard to go in

1056
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 2: there against a younger at the peak of her prime

1057
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 2: destroyer and still show you whether it's the veteran tricks

1058
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 2: of grappling and key spots or it's still just that

1059
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 2: explosive power and overcoming vicious cuts on both eyelids. Dude,

1060
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 2: she's not done yet or close to it.

1061
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 1: I have to tell you, based on this performance and

1062
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 1: then thinking about it a little bit more, here's what

1063
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, And this is something I could not

1064
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: imagine saying even a year ago. Chris Cyborg has a

1065
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,359
Speaker 1: case as the best women's fighter of all time, has

1066
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: a real legitimate.

1067
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 2: So not even in I'm Scott Coker and I'm trying

1068
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 2: to sell in my Belator broadcast that she is already

1069
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,320
Speaker 2: you're saying it might actually beat your Now.

1070
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:21,240
Speaker 1: We all know the story where Chris and Amanda faced

1071
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: off and Amanda beat her relatively easily. Basically, they exchanged punches,

1072
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: and she was the more dominant puncher, and she put

1073
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: it away, and that was that is such a you know,

1074
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:31,800
Speaker 1: it's not like two people who never fought, you have

1075
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: to kind of compare resumes. They fought, and Amanda easily

1076
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:36,399
Speaker 1: basically got the better of her. And that's really gonna

1077
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 1: hurt Cyborg's argument. But allow me to make a different argument,

1078
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 1: if I may, which is, I think this is indisputably true.

1079
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: Chris Cyborg has the most important and impressive MMA championship

1080
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,839
Speaker 1: longevity in all of MMA history. Ready for this. Two

1081
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 1: thousand and nine she becomes the Strikeforce champion. Twenty thirteen,

1082
00:48:56,280 --> 00:49:01,320
Speaker 1: she becomes the Invicta championy seventeen comes the UFC champion,

1083
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 1: twenty twenty she becomes the Bellator champion, and here it is.

1084
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty four, she becomes the PFL champion. She

1085
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 1: literally has been fighting on television since women were only

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00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: allowed to fight in three minute rounds. What she has

1087
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 1: put together and going from all these different promotions which

1088
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 1: you can see on the screen cannot even be done

1089
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 1: anymore because the business model of MMA has changed such

1090
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 1: that this kind of availability doesn't even exist anymore. And

1091
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: There's one more point I would like to add to this.

1092
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,839
Speaker 1: Please do yes. It is true Amanda got the better

1093
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 1: of her, and again I think that's gonna make obviously

1094
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: a strong case for Amanda as well. But when Amanda

1095
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 1: lost in September of twenty eleven, when she was in Strikeforce,

1096
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 1: Cyborg was already champion, had been champion for two years

1097
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:55,280
Speaker 1: when Amanda Nuon has lost in Invicta in twenty thirteen.

1098
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 1: Later that year, Cyborg became the champion, beating by the way,

1099
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,840
Speaker 1: and not just beating thrashing mar luce Conan, who was

1100
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,800
Speaker 1: a very very good fighter at that time. But Cyborg

1101
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 1: was a champion while Amanda was losing. Then Amanda goes

1102
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: and fights kats and Ghano in twenty fourteen that I

1103
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 1: think this is Pete Katsanghano and she loses. There what

1104
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 1: point am I making? Yes? At their absolute peak, Amanda

1105
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 1: reached a higher threshold, but the consistent championship level of

1106
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 1: excellence for fifteen years, when other fighters were losing in

1107
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 1: the same promotions, while they were in the promotions at

1108
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: the exact same time, Cyborg was champion at all these

1109
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 1: places and all these times. To do it at thirty

1110
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: nine at forty five one forty five against Pacheco, who

1111
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 1: just came off the Kila Erison wine. And I want

1112
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,879
Speaker 1: to say this last thing too. Everyone's like, what about

1113
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 1: the drugs? What about the drugs? Guy? She's on YUSADA

1114
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: and PFL and UFC, so right now she's supposed to

1115
00:50:57,960 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 1: be under USADA guidelines. You're the ones who've told me

1116
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 1: for you how important that is. And she didn't do

1117
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 1: it with brute power against Pacheco. She did it with

1118
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 1: what you mentioned skills. Yes, veteran savvy timing, timing, disrupting rhythm,

1119
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:15,800
Speaker 1: setting patterns, disrupting patterns, the kind of thing where you

1120
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 1: couldn't do it with pure braun. She used to be

1121
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 1: the kind of person where it'd be like, you know,

1122
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 1: set your clock, let's see how long it takes for

1123
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:21,879
Speaker 1: Godzilla to eat.

1124
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:23,720
Speaker 2: She's made so many great adjustices, she's.

1125
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 1: So far beyond that. So for these reasons, B see,

1126
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: I wonder what you make of my case. I'm not

1127
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 1: declaring to you it's ironclad. What I am saying is

1128
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:36,280
Speaker 1: no one has this level of championship excellence through eras

1129
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 1: of the sport for as long and as mightily as christoococasts.

1130
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 2: I would say even before this fight, I would say

1131
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 2: you're right on that argument and say that the longevity

1132
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:48,839
Speaker 2: is starting to add up at such an extreme level

1133
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 2: that I never thought Coker was like completely wrong and

1134
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 2: making that case. I know he did it for marketing

1135
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 2: purposesn't because he you know, helped Cyborg make women's mma

1136
00:51:57,680 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 2: a thing back and strike for us. But I do

1137
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 2: think you can make the argument leaning heavily on the

1138
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 2: pioneer side and this ridiculous long this ridiculous consistency and

1139
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:10,800
Speaker 2: longevity which only got amplified by this win. But the

1140
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 2: biggest hole in your argument is also what a lot

1141
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 2: of people to believe is the strongest characteristic in a

1142
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 2: debate of what is the greatest of all time and

1143
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 2: its quality of competition? And who did you be?

1144
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:20,839
Speaker 1: Now?

1145
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,800
Speaker 2: I know what makes Cyborgs run so super special on

1146
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 2: top of everything we just said, was she's going through

1147
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 2: different eras of women's of a main, adapting with it

1148
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 2: and getting better. So that's a great stamp on her.

1149
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 2: But the people that say it's laughable that you would

1150
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 2: put her above or that anyone would put her above Amanda,

1151
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 2: when not only did they go ahead to head and

1152
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 2: Amanda want although I think Cyborg did deserve a rematch

1153
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 2: and got a raw deal the way her UFC were

1154
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 2: exited or ended there. Look, the biggest pushback will be

1155
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 2: people will say, okay, but what is Cyborg's best win

1156
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 2: Holly Holm? Okay, but what's her second, third, fourth, fifth,

1157
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,240
Speaker 2: and sixth best win? When you compare that to Amanda

1158
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 2: who not only beat okay, but let me tell you,

1159
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 2: but not only be but brutally finished literally the who's

1160
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 2: who in women's MMA history. Now didn't finish them all.

1161
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 2: But when you go through and you've got wins over Mishitate,

1162
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 2: Ronda Rousey, Valentino, Chefchenko twice, you know, on and on

1163
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 2: in Holly Holm, on and on, and a lot of

1164
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:15,280
Speaker 2: those were just absolutely dominant, and you knocked out a still,

1165
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 2: you know, relatively close to peak prime Cyborg by a knockout,

1166
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 2: it's going to just kind of shut that debate, no

1167
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 2: matter how much we romanticize what Cyborg did. I'm a

1168
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 2: Cyborg super fan. I'd be coming over time because I

1169
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 2: have so much respect for how she carries herself and

1170
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 2: what she's doing out there. But I don't think she

1171
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 2: can climb the Mountain above Amanda for everything I just said.

1172
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, but she also doesn't have losses to people like

1173
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 1: and she's a good fighter, but not a great one

1174
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:39,359
Speaker 1: Alexis Davis. Cyborg doesn't have losses.

1175
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 2: Too, okay, but how do you defend them the actual she.

1176
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: Doesn't have losses to people like Sarah the Deleleo. The

1177
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 1: point I want to make is I cannot argue that Amanda.

1178
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 1: Amanda has a better core run that run she went

1179
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 1: on and has a higher peak. That's not really up

1180
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 1: for debate. I don't see how you could debate that.

1181
00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 1: But what I can say is you're talking about the

1182
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 1: level of competition Cyborg has faced again. There are some

1183
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 1: issues with that beating marlouce Conan twice, beating Holly Holm

1184
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: and twenty twice I think too, but twice and then

1185
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 1: now Larissa Pachaco, Dude, those are fucking super solid.

1186
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 2: Add Arlene Blenco twice to that anger fist.

1187
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: I'm being serious though, Like there's legit wins up and

1188
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 1: down that I do think the Amanda's got a better

1189
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:23,359
Speaker 1: run and a better peak. But when I say run,

1190
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: I'm in like a core group of winds all but

1191
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 1: put together, but I cannot stress it. When Amanda was

1192
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:35,360
Speaker 1: getting polished off in Strikeforce, Cyborg wasn't a champion.

1193
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 2: But then somebody will just say, well, that's early, that's

1194
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 2: very early, Amanda. But the point that I countered you

1195
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,399
Speaker 2: is saying for all of that, it's still not enough

1196
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 2: to best the head to head, where I think Amanda

1197
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 2: not only has an edge, like a dominant edge on

1198
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 2: head to heading quality of competition.

1199
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:52,800
Speaker 1: I would say she has an edge. I don't know

1200
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:54,360
Speaker 1: if it's a dominant edge, but I definitely I do.

1201
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:54,919
Speaker 1: I do agree.

1202
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:57,839
Speaker 2: You can go through the history of Cyborg, not notwithstanding

1203
00:54:57,880 --> 00:54:59,839
Speaker 2: the longevity in the respect and everything we have for her,

1204
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:02,839
Speaker 2: but the quality of opposition at that time across the board.

1205
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the run you could say that is

1206
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 1: the really great run would be McMahon, Sarah mcmah who's

1207
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:11,720
Speaker 1: limited but good, Schifchenko, who maybe that's not her ideal

1208
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 1: weight class, she's certainly very good. Then Taate, then Rawsey

1209
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,360
Speaker 1: that's the big one. Back to Scheifchenko. Thought that was

1210
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:20,359
Speaker 1: heavily disputed. That was the split decision one I thought,

1211
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,320
Speaker 1: by the way, I thought Schifchenko won so but she

1212
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:24,720
Speaker 1: got it. But she got her hand raised Riquel Pennington.

1213
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 1: That's a fine win, you know. Uh Cyborg is the

1214
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 1: big one.

1215
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 2: That's GDR as well, you add in there.

1216
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 1: She went home a little bit later twenty nineteen she

1217
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 1: beat her two years after Uh Cyborg beat her, and

1218
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 1: then he gets to the Felicia Spencers and stuff like that.

1219
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 1: But what I want to make is, yes, that run there,

1220
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 1: that core run. It's a better run than what Cyborg has.

1221
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:46,280
Speaker 1: Which you have to ask yourself is what is more important,

1222
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 1: or rather what is more impressive a consistent level of

1223
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 1: slightly less but overall greater excellence or a bigger peak

1224
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:55,279
Speaker 1: and a faster run to the time.

1225
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:58,399
Speaker 2: It's like comparing bbls to Ukrainian women. It's a it's

1226
00:55:58,400 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 2: a it's.

1227
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:04,839
Speaker 1: About voluptuous women versus a bunch of lunch ladies. Yeah,

1228
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 1: who the fuck wins that battle? I don't know. BC's

1229
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:09,880
Speaker 1: like I wonder who wins in the rivalry between Gazelle's

1230
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 1: and fucking lions. Yeah the lions.

1231
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 2: Look just because you believe it doesn't mean it's right.

1232
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 1: You see, I've you have the most questionable taste I've

1233
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 1: ever seen in the opposite sex, to the point where

1234
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 1: to the point where I'm not even sure if that's

1235
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 1: what you're actually in.

1236
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 2: Okay, that's rude, that's that that I draw the line there,

1237
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 2: that one went too.

1238
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 1: Far's just to wrap up.

1239
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 2: Oh you okay.

1240
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 1: I cannot declare to you that the case for Cyborg

1241
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:39,280
Speaker 1: is as good or better than Amanda.

1242
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 2: I can it's not as it's not as good, but

1243
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 2: it's hell.

1244
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 1: Okay, at a bare minimum, it is worth considering how unique, yes,

1245
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:53,479
Speaker 1: the championship longevity is of someone like Cyborg. And again

1246
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 1: I wanted the last point, what to reiterate going through

1247
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 1: those organizations, You can't even do that anymore in MMA

1248
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 1: because we just don't have diversity of those organizations that

1249
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 1: matter in that way.

1250
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:04,919
Speaker 2: She just from another time, in another era. Only she's

1251
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 2: still really awesome. And by the way that one of

1252
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 2: Pachco was fucking impressied to overcome both cuts on top

1253
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 2: of that and not let it bother at all. But

1254
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 2: how about every time Pacheco landed a big strike, which

1255
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 2: happened at times, Cyborg would come right back with big combinations,

1256
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 2: almost like every time Pacheco had an edge of momentum

1257
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 2: or confidence, it was like Cyborg filled that gap instantly.

1258
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 2: That's what champions do it.

1259
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 1: I mean all three. I could have lived with three

1260
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 1: to two. Yeah, I could live with three two, But

1261
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 1: there's no way you could find three rounds.

1262
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:34,440
Speaker 2: Such a great check one of her best wins of

1263
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 2: all time considering all those circumstances.

1264
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 1: Fully agree with that that is literally one of her

1265
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 1: best wins.

1266
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 2: Well, let's go to my favorite fight on the card,

1267
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 2: and it was on paper and it played out so

1268
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:45,439
Speaker 2: like thrilling, like a in like, not thrilling in terms

1269
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 2: of the actual action, but in terms of what we

1270
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 2: were learning. Paul Hughes, the twelve and one Irish prospect

1271
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 2: coming in against AJ McKee, one of the I mean,

1272
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 2: I know AJ is now twenty nine, it's not like

1273
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 2: he's a kid walking out that door. But I don't

1274
00:57:57,880 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 2: think we've still even seen the best of AJ McKee.

1275
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:01,959
Speaker 2: They match him up together, we don't know what's gonna

1276
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 2: look like. How about Paul Hughes by split decision, he

1277
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 2: rocked McKee at the end of the first round. Although

1278
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 2: they both had moments on the ground, he had the

1279
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 2: better control of grappling. He showed veteran skills in how

1280
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 2: to win a close fight. Luke first of all, how

1281
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 2: did you score that was it? Were you more than

1282
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 2: fine with a three to two Paul, He's.

1283
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 1: Went twenty nine to twenty eight. Paul Hughes, he clearly won.

1284
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 2: Not three to two, sorry three three round fight?

1285
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:27,560
Speaker 1: Yea, yeah, two to one. Yep. I thought he won

1286
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:30,240
Speaker 1: the first round. I thought he lost the second round,

1287
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 1: or he could certainly make a case that he lost

1288
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:33,400
Speaker 1: the second round, and I thought he did more than

1289
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 1: enough to win the third. He is so impressive by

1290
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 1: the way. Paul Hughes, Ilia Taporia MK Hammer of the Month,

1291
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 1: Oh wow, and Aaron and Aaron Blanchfield, all three of

1292
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 1: them were Hammers of the Month here on this particular

1293
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 1: show that was one of our.

1294
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 2: Best things ever. And then money lines like yo we out.

1295
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 1: We did hate it in real time behind the scenes.

1296
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 2: But we were told we had to do it, and

1297
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 2: then three months in they're like, we have yeah out.

1298
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 1: But the one I want to make was we knew

1299
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 1: back then you could see it on you could see

1300
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 1: it on tape that those guys were special. In the

1301
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 1: case of Paul Hughes, him too, dude, the composure he showed,

1302
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 1: the boxing ability, sticking with what weapons were working. Overall,

1303
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 1: good wrestling ability, good decision making throughout a fight, when

1304
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 1: to push, when to break. Dude, he's so.

1305
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 2: Good, Moxie. First of all, Moxy, he's.

1306
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 1: So freaking good. And I did think that aj McKee

1307
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 1: looked a little unusually tired.

1308
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 2: Once he got dropped at the end of round one

1309
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 2: with that big hook. I think he was downhill for

1310
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 2: even though I thought he won round two, I thought

1311
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 2: overall his overall like animal was like something you know. Obviously,

1312
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 2: he got knocked down, he got rocked, like something happened

1313
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 2: in that exchange where he was never fully the same,

1314
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 2: and I think Hughes confidence only continued to rise from there.

1315
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 1: He was one of the top prospects in all of MMA.

1316
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 1: He chose PFL over UFC, I think largely because of

1317
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 1: what they're probably gonna do in Europe, and then on

1318
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 1: top of it, the paycheck. And I don't know what

1319
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 1: he's going to be in all of MMA. I don't

1320
00:59:57,760 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 1: know what kind of opportunities he's going to get. But

1321
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 1: that guy is super fucking legit and we've known it

1322
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 1: for a long time and hope now by the way,

1323
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 1: I had so many people tell me, oh, that's too

1324
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 1: much for him against McKee and Mickey obviously is not

1325
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 1: someone you can sleep on, nor should we have ever

1326
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 1: done that. I'm like, I think Paul Hughes is pretty good.

1327
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:14,920
Speaker 2: Look at him now, Well, Paul Hughes has this idea

1328
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 2: because think of how ballsy this kid is. We didn't

1329
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 2: even know, like if he was going to get completely

1330
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 2: shunned by AJ in school then shown that he's not

1331
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:22,440
Speaker 2: ready for this level? What does he go? And he

1332
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 2: wins a close fight and looks like the better fighter.

1333
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:27,439
Speaker 2: Then he calls out belat Or lightweight Championos Spanner Maga

1334
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 2: Metof who was arguably from a palm for pound level,

1335
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 2: the best fighter in PF elat Or altogether only he

1336
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 2: wants to up the attention level. This will get how

1337
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 2: he knows to be, will be an ousman's corner. He

1338
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 2: wants Connor, do we have some some media to attached

1339
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 2: to this? Yeah, so Connor McGregor must have heard this.

1340
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:49,360
Speaker 2: I can't read Can I read that book? Can you

1341
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 2: read that?

1342
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 1: Paul Paul my Man? I will go to the arena

1343
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 1: and support one hundred percent for sure, and if it

1344
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:57,200
Speaker 1: kicks off, I'll be there before you could even say

1345
01:00:57,560 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 1: the numerga Madoff's are juice head. I'm not even gonna

1346
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 1: read it like he calls the rats. I mean, he's

1347
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:05,280
Speaker 1: just saying horrible things. Your team and corner have done

1348
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 1: a tremendous job with you. They will take you all

1349
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 1: the way. You've got this. We are with you, brother,

1350
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 1: bring home the gold.

1351
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 2: Okay, So he wants Connor in his corner. I mean,

1352
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 2: I'm I'm shocked for all the issues with Connor being active,

1353
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 2: that we still haven't seen Islam versus Connor for the

1354
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 2: welterweight title yet. Why because it's the closest us he

1355
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 2: can come to milk that rivalry Connor. You know, the

1356
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 2: McGregor's versus Themaga Medoffs. Would this get like the rest

1357
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:33,680
Speaker 2: of not the rest of the world, but the extended

1358
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:36,120
Speaker 2: sports community. Would this wake them up? If you had

1359
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 2: this quasi Connor versus Abib fight and oh, by the way,

1360
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 2: the fight rules Paul Hughes against Usman and r Maga Medov.

1361
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:43,520
Speaker 1: I think it'd be huge. I don't know how likely

1362
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:44,440
Speaker 1: or even possible.

1363
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 2: Stadium fight in Europe right.

1364
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 1: That is a huge. I mean they probably put in

1365
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia because PFL doesn't know what they're doing. But nevertheless,

1366
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:55,479
Speaker 1: it's a huge monster opportunity if they could make it happen.

1367
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:57,960
Speaker 1: I don't know if they could, but I could not

1368
01:01:58,160 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 1: miss if you tried to.

1369
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 2: But isn't that what they're probably going to do PFL?

1370
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:02,800
Speaker 2: Or do you or actually let me ask you this,

1371
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:04,680
Speaker 2: do you think? This is my biggest problem with PFL.

1372
01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 2: They're giving out these fake pay per view belts in

1373
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:08,959
Speaker 2: their mind. We have three, you know, four streams of income,

1374
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 2: four different leagues. We got pay per view regular season,

1375
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:14,680
Speaker 2: Slash Tournament, Bellatour and around the world and also are

1376
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 2: regional things. Do you think Paul Hughes becomes a full

1377
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 2: time pay per view fighter after this or is he

1378
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 2: just going to go back to like Bellatour London next

1379
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:22,120
Speaker 2: or something.

1380
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 1: I think he goes back to Bellator London.

1381
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, this is where I wish they combine their

1382
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:27,440
Speaker 2: assets because what would I want to see on the

1383
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:29,600
Speaker 2: next pay per view and maybe they still can. Yes,

1384
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 2: Paul Hughes against Usmann, Rock and metalf only. I don't

1385
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 2: want to see it for the Bell Tour Championship. I

1386
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 2: want to see it for the PFL Championship, not the

1387
01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 2: PFL Super Fight Championship. I want you to have one title.

1388
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 2: Stop being boxing, PFL, combine it all have one title

1389
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 2: so that we can argue after the winner of that fight,

1390
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:48,640
Speaker 2: is this guy better than the top seven in the UFC.

1391
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 2: I mean, that's the arguments you want.

1392
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 1: Have you mentioned this? PFL never mentioned that. If you

1393
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:56,600
Speaker 1: actually go back to the the Francis fight, that fight

1394
01:02:56,760 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 1: with Hennen Fajita was a unification of Pride, UFC, Strike Force,

1395
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 1: BELTUR and PFL all on one night. Wow, that's never

1396
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:06,520
Speaker 1: happened before. It was all unified under one night. Francis

1397
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 1: did it?

1398
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 2: If Johnny Evelyn enters a rematch unnecessarily against another Belatur

1399
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 2: guy and defeats him by wrestling and nobody watches it

1400
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 2: or talks about it, did it really happen?

1401
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 1: Yeah? This was This was not a great part of

1402
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 1: the paper view. Johnny Eblin performed ably against Fabian Edwards,

1403
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 1: who also had some moments. Interestingly throughout the course of

1404
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:26,000
Speaker 1: this fight.

1405
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:27,720
Speaker 2: That didn't need to be a five round title fight

1406
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 2: unless it's for the PFL Middleway Championship, which.

1407
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:31,920
Speaker 1: We didn't need to see it. It did not deliver.

1408
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 1: I think both guys are good, but I don't think

1409
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:40,920
Speaker 1: that either comes away from this as like Fabian probably

1410
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:44,200
Speaker 1: won't get a title shot again, but he didn't perform poorly. Yeah,

1411
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:48,120
Speaker 1: and Edward excuse me. Eblin remains the champion but did

1412
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:51,720
Speaker 1: not perform impressively And it's like, I don't know what

1413
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:52,440
Speaker 1: you got out of that.

1414
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:54,920
Speaker 2: Do you have Eblin stores in your area? Those are

1415
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 2: like where you can find like it smells and they're

1416
01:03:57,640 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 2: really bad. And you can find though, like weird c

1417
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:03,040
Speaker 2: that were like, you know, almost like a TJ. Max

1418
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:05,160
Speaker 2: Marshall's quality in that regard, but it's like a hip

1419
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 2: or edgier place name.

1420
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:08,640
Speaker 1: That Joseph Bank where I can take no no, but

1421
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 1: they have that theme song.

1422
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:13,480
Speaker 2: Eban Lenzar added again see having you money at Eblins?

1423
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 2: You really don't know this thing.

1424
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:17,440
Speaker 1: God, you're white trash all right? Hey.

1425
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:21,000
Speaker 2: Speaking of Connor loosely connected to this, he's sick of wrestling,

1426
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:22,720
Speaker 2: and so am I in MMA Luke.

1427
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:27,280
Speaker 1: No, I still like okay, act like us aren't fed

1428
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 1: up and over this bullshit all use want, but I won't.

1429
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:33,080
Speaker 1: It's just becoming the norm nowadays. The product is suffering

1430
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 1: because of it. If it wasn't for the brand name

1431
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:37,360
Speaker 1: already well established, it would be well in the bin

1432
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 1: by now. It is in the bin in the mainstream.

1433
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:42,280
Speaker 1: That's a fact. There is no mainstream casual audience here.

1434
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:45,280
Speaker 1: It needs calling out, adjusting, a full review. EMMA is

1435
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:46,760
Speaker 1: better than what it has become. Research.

1436
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:51,000
Speaker 2: Is this a stance against Dalgistan fighters or is it

1437
01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 2: a stance against wrestlers or both At the same time,

1438
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 2: I is talking about the Eblin fight.

1439
01:04:57,800 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 1: This came out during the Eblin fight where Eblin was

1440
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:02,440
Speaker 1: able to like a body lock, he'd matt returned edwards

1441
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 1: to the to the canvas and they kind of be

1442
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:06,880
Speaker 1: in a control position and you know, kind of ride

1443
01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:08,960
Speaker 1: out the fight for a minute or two or more,

1444
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 1: and it just wasn't a whole lot to it. I

1445
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:14,920
Speaker 1: actually really do agree with this argument. I know a

1446
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 1: lot of people are like, oh, Connor's making that because

1447
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:19,080
Speaker 1: he's got BKFC, he doesn't like wrestling to begin with,

1448
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:22,560
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. But I'm not sure if I don't

1449
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 1: know if the Eblin fight is exactly the most egregious example.

1450
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 1: But I've been saying this PC I'm beating the dead horse.

1451
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:30,320
Speaker 2: Or you want a UFC Muay Thai League. Basically, that's

1452
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:30,480
Speaker 2: what you.

1453
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:33,480
Speaker 1: Want to know, I want people to weaponize wrestling like

1454
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:35,120
Speaker 1: and you're not always going to get it like this,

1455
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:38,240
Speaker 1: but to weaponize wrestling more akin to what Anthony Hernandez

1456
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:40,320
Speaker 1: was able to do to Michell Paeda, which we'll talk

1457
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:42,480
Speaker 1: about in just a moment. So I'm just pointing out

1458
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:45,440
Speaker 1: the real culprit is not wrestling per se. The real

1459
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 1: corporate is culprit, excuse me, is how we regulate wrestling

1460
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 1: inside of MMA visa VI. The referees. We don't make

1461
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:57,880
Speaker 1: them act moyes. Yes, I think that would solve a

1462
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:00,480
Speaker 1: huge amount of the complaints that we have about some

1463
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:03,040
Speaker 1: guy just having a control position and then throwing knees

1464
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:04,600
Speaker 1: to the thigh of the guy he's controlling.

1465
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:07,880
Speaker 2: I just don't want to see wrestling continue to be villainized.

1466
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:11,160
Speaker 2: The key part of the of the makeup of the sport,

1467
01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:14,040
Speaker 2: of the combination of it, it was always the foundation

1468
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:16,880
Speaker 2: to get ahead and win. People from that side of

1469
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:19,640
Speaker 2: the world are innovating it and using it dominantly. You're right,

1470
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:21,560
Speaker 2: it falls on the referees to or you know, to

1471
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:25,360
Speaker 2: enforce these things better. But let's not let's not take

1472
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 2: away the idea that if two guys get together and fight.

1473
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:30,480
Speaker 2: One can completely dominate the other and hold him down

1474
01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:32,520
Speaker 2: and he can't move. There's something to that, Luke, even

1475
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:33,919
Speaker 2: if there's not a finish in the end.

1476
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:37,360
Speaker 1: There is something to that. It's called some skill, some

1477
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:40,520
Speaker 1: dominance and some stalling, and we should call it that.

1478
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:45,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know where are you installing

1479
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:46,880
Speaker 1: this for Long Island, Luke.

1480
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:49,200
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not a fan of stalling, but I'm

1481
01:06:49,240 --> 01:06:53,440
Speaker 4: with BC that. I think there's there's an admiration for

1482
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:55,640
Speaker 4: people who can wrestle that well, and you gotta just

1483
01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:57,960
Speaker 4: it's a mixed martial art man. It's one of the things.

1484
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:00,880
Speaker 1: Can they wrestle that well or can they stall that well? Well?

1485
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:02,880
Speaker 4: What's your opinion of like morob Sean Luke, do.

1486
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:04,200
Speaker 1: You think there was a lot of stalling in that

1487
01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:06,200
Speaker 1: there was a significant amount of stalling in that fight.

1488
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:09,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I might be biased, But whoever he bet for,

1489
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:10,760
Speaker 2: that's where I bet.

1490
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:13,240
Speaker 1: I bet my my dodge omni on that fucking thing,

1491
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:16,760
Speaker 1: and if I lost that, oh ship. Yes, they're stalling

1492
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:19,560
Speaker 1: if you have a control position and you're doing busy

1493
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:22,760
Speaker 1: work with punches or strikes where you're not really able

1494
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:24,920
Speaker 1: to like let go and really like, look at what

1495
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 1: Francis did. Francis had a half crab ride with the

1496
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:31,240
Speaker 1: crab hooks. He's flaring out the leg of Henna Fijeda

1497
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:32,600
Speaker 1: and he is fucking bombing.

1498
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:33,880
Speaker 2: He was in full missionary.

1499
01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:35,960
Speaker 1: He was a full doggie.

1500
01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:38,800
Speaker 2: Wasn't well at the end, Yeah, yeah, But how when

1501
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:39,880
Speaker 2: he was crabbing on him and then he.

1502
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:43,000
Speaker 1: Was fucking dominating him with heavy punches. No one was

1503
01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:45,280
Speaker 1: worried about the fucking wrestling there. No one's worried about

1504
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:46,160
Speaker 1: the control you see.

1505
01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:48,280
Speaker 2: I heard that you were very worried about rabbit punches

1506
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:48,920
Speaker 2: in that sequence.

1507
01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:51,280
Speaker 1: So at first, when I first came in, I'm watching

1508
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:53,720
Speaker 1: it in real time. True, there were two punches that

1509
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:56,160
Speaker 1: were very clearly on the back of the head. But

1510
01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:58,560
Speaker 1: then as I watched it the replay, the result I

1511
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:02,120
Speaker 1: came to was one, this motherfucker was gonna lose anyway,

1512
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:04,760
Speaker 1: like and if a handa wasn't coming back.

1513
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 2: Before that justify getting punched in the brains.

1514
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:11,760
Speaker 1: It doesn't, however, well, I think only one was gratuitous.

1515
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:12,720
Speaker 2: It didn't look too bad.

1516
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:14,840
Speaker 1: There was one where, if you know, there's like seven

1517
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:18,840
Speaker 1: punches where they're all clean and then one halfway lands

1518
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:21,360
Speaker 1: and then you see Hennon turn his head as the

1519
01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:25,280
Speaker 1: punch is coming. Yes, that's not Francis's fault. So yes,

1520
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:28,200
Speaker 1: we're two of the punches not clean. Ultimately, I do

1521
01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:30,320
Speaker 1: think so, But I really don't think that this is

1522
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:32,719
Speaker 1: in any way a disputable result.

1523
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:35,040
Speaker 2: I'm with you on that. I also am not done

1524
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:37,240
Speaker 2: marveling by the way that Paul Hughes just went in

1525
01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:40,080
Speaker 2: there against a j McKee and like answered all the

1526
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:42,240
Speaker 2: questions and figured out all the problem areas and won

1527
01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:45,519
Speaker 2: the fight cleanly, good moost fight, competitive fight, dude, but won.

1528
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:48,120
Speaker 1: The fight on the pressure. Good boxing in the pockets.

1529
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:49,920
Speaker 2: How about those knees nowhere?

1530
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:52,680
Speaker 1: Yes, but good defense, good scrambling.

1531
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:54,720
Speaker 2: Not a great promo afterwards, but he did show that

1532
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:55,559
Speaker 2: he's a wild man.

1533
01:08:55,560 --> 01:08:57,280
Speaker 1: He's ready for that's a tough fucking fight.

1534
01:08:57,400 --> 01:08:59,400
Speaker 2: He just won, Yes, and they called out called out

1535
01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:01,240
Speaker 2: usman like he going and he wants to.

1536
01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:04,439
Speaker 1: Go through that Hammer of the month, Hammer of the month.

1537
01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:05,920
Speaker 2: All right, let's go topic number three.

1538
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:07,920
Speaker 1: They were back Arnold Palmer's Hammer of the Month.

1539
01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:10,840
Speaker 2: Donald Trump. I'm just saying, you ever see that guy's

1540
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:17,280
Speaker 2: it's weird let's go over to topic three. We were

1541
01:09:17,360 --> 01:09:19,600
Speaker 2: back at the Apex for better or worse, usually for

1542
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:23,880
Speaker 2: the latter fight night main event middleweight trying to form

1543
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:27,200
Speaker 2: a title picture. Here, Anthony Fluffy Hernandez answered all of

1544
01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:30,920
Speaker 2: our questions coming in getting a fifth round TKO over

1545
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 2: Michelle Pereira after largely dominating him outside for that early

1546
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:38,560
Speaker 2: rush from Pereira, which was fun to see, but I

1547
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:41,400
Speaker 2: didn't see much of it after that. So, Luke, where

1548
01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:44,760
Speaker 2: do you believe this puts old fluff A in the

1549
01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:48,840
Speaker 2: power rankings? Here in the top ten? How close is

1550
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:51,960
Speaker 2: he to getting a shot at gold after this step

1551
01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:54,280
Speaker 2: forward performance against a guy who had an eight fight

1552
01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:55,160
Speaker 2: winning streat coming in.

1553
01:09:55,320 --> 01:09:58,000
Speaker 1: So he's not close enough to get to gold where

1554
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:00,040
Speaker 1: we can be like title shot next. Yes, but what

1555
01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:02,720
Speaker 1: we can say is I think somewhere again, give or

1556
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:06,519
Speaker 1: take somewhere in the seven mark in the inside the

1557
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:08,800
Speaker 1: top ten to me is about maybe a little bit

1558
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:10,560
Speaker 1: less than that, maybe close to like eight or so

1559
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:13,479
Speaker 1: something like that, maybe the back half of the top ten.

1560
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:17,120
Speaker 1: This was an extremely impressive and performance, I will say,

1561
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:19,439
Speaker 1: if you look at the two losses he's had in

1562
01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:22,519
Speaker 1: the UFC. To Marcus Perez as well as Kevin Holland

1563
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:25,280
Speaker 1: it was weakness to the body that ultimately caused him problems.

1564
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:28,680
Speaker 1: And sure enough in the first round, Peda hits him

1565
01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:30,960
Speaker 1: with a teep up the middle to the gut and

1566
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:33,559
Speaker 1: it hurts him. That does appear to be a noticeable

1567
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:36,400
Speaker 1: Achilles heel that he has, which I wonder to what

1568
01:10:36,479 --> 01:10:40,720
Speaker 1: extent will limit his upside? Interesting that aside, want I

1569
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:43,120
Speaker 1: got the stat here. You heard him mention it on

1570
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:45,120
Speaker 1: the broadcast BC, and I want to go to it

1571
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:48,880
Speaker 1: here very quickly if I can. The previous middleweight record

1572
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:53,439
Speaker 1: in terms of significant strike differential in the UFC in

1573
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:56,559
Speaker 1: history was when Rich Franklin beat David Luaso.

1574
01:10:57,200 --> 01:10:58,360
Speaker 2: You love that fight.

1575
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:01,160
Speaker 1: Well, here's why that fight's important. That was the first

1576
01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:04,280
Speaker 1: time in MMA and my MMA watching experience where I

1577
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:07,120
Speaker 1: saw a guy get beat down round after round after

1578
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:10,200
Speaker 1: round and he came out of that David the Crow Luazo,

1579
01:11:10,240 --> 01:11:12,720
Speaker 1: which by the way, he had an amazing Go look

1580
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:17,120
Speaker 1: at Luazzo's finish of chainsaw. Charles McCarthy, How about that name.

1581
01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:19,519
Speaker 1: We haven't heard that in Yeah, a spinning back kick

1582
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:22,400
Speaker 1: to the fucking liver that just folds him like a

1583
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:27,040
Speaker 1: launch changeyme. Charles McCarthy was a good fight a coach,

1584
01:11:27,439 --> 01:11:28,720
Speaker 1: But the one I wanted to make was that the

1585
01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:31,519
Speaker 1: number there the significant strike differential at middleweight in that fight,

1586
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:34,320
Speaker 1: one hundred and six. One hundred and six was the differential,

1587
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:39,000
Speaker 1: and that fight changed David Luazzo. He was never the

1588
01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:43,920
Speaker 1: same afterwards. The differential on Saturday between Fluffy Hernandez and

1589
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:47,960
Speaker 1: Michelle Paeda one twenty eight, one twenty eight. Now, I'm

1590
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:50,920
Speaker 1: not declaring to you that the kind of punches that

1591
01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:54,680
Speaker 1: Hernandez was putting on his opponent were the same as

1592
01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:58,280
Speaker 1: the kind of beating that Franklin gave Luasso, but it

1593
01:11:58,439 --> 01:12:01,839
Speaker 1: does give you a sense of just how fucking dominant

1594
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:06,960
Speaker 1: and one sided this was historically, so to the point

1595
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:10,760
Speaker 1: where it now becomes the statistical leader significant strike differentials

1596
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:12,519
Speaker 1: between two opponents at middle That's.

1597
01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:15,599
Speaker 2: A statement that he made there. How did so Perera

1598
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 2: had success early with the striking right, hit him with

1599
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:19,040
Speaker 2: a good right hand, put a flurry on him, and

1600
01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:20,840
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, oh crap, but we're gonna see a

1601
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:24,240
Speaker 2: backflip soon. Why was Pereira, in your eyes, unable to

1602
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:27,439
Speaker 2: adapt to just or have really and too many moments

1603
01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:27,720
Speaker 2: after that.

1604
01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:30,360
Speaker 1: The easy answer is cardio. He simply doesn't have the

1605
01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:33,800
Speaker 1: capacity to labor through in the way that Hernandez does.

1606
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:35,519
Speaker 1: That's a big part of it. And he does have

1607
01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:38,519
Speaker 1: some skills. But I actually think that Hernandez has a

1608
01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:43,040
Speaker 1: lot of really important skills with not just how much

1609
01:12:43,160 --> 01:12:45,000
Speaker 1: volume he can throw you how much by the way,

1610
01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:47,960
Speaker 1: he doesn't. It doesn't even seem to bother him to

1611
01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:50,200
Speaker 1: fail on takedown attempts to be see, because he's just

1612
01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:52,000
Speaker 1: going to go for another one, and another one, and

1613
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:54,600
Speaker 1: another one and another one, and all that time he

1614
01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:56,880
Speaker 1: knows you're working, and if you're working, you're not punching,

1615
01:12:56,920 --> 01:12:59,280
Speaker 1: and if you're not punching, you're not winning. He just

1616
01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:02,120
Speaker 1: doesn't mind doing this. Plus he goes to he has

1617
01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:05,200
Speaker 1: a whole series of rides. In this particular fight, he

1618
01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:08,080
Speaker 1: went to leg drag a number of times and was

1619
01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:10,720
Speaker 1: making him work from like these very Basically, leg drag

1620
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:13,320
Speaker 1: twists your spine one way and your shoulders the other.

1621
01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:15,840
Speaker 1: So what immobilizes you, It makes it hard to work.

1622
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:17,559
Speaker 1: And if, by the way, just to force it out,

1623
01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:19,920
Speaker 1: they come over to side control. This is what I mean.

1624
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:23,360
Speaker 1: He's got an entire skill set based on making you

1625
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:26,360
Speaker 1: dig yourself out of quicksand and it never actually works.

1626
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:28,720
Speaker 1: The more you dig, the more you simply go to

1627
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:30,320
Speaker 1: the bottom on this while he can just kind of

1628
01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:31,720
Speaker 1: float all around the top.

1629
01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:33,720
Speaker 2: I mean, the real question is can he scale that up?

1630
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:36,000
Speaker 2: Can he have that same level of control against the

1631
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:38,639
Speaker 2: more elite names in the division. And if he can't,

1632
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:41,679
Speaker 2: do you believe he has the striking to be able

1633
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:44,639
Speaker 2: to not just get into a spot against the number

1634
01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:46,080
Speaker 2: three guy where a win can put him on the

1635
01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:47,840
Speaker 2: verge of a title, but win those fights.

1636
01:13:47,960 --> 01:13:50,200
Speaker 1: So here's what's interesting. I don't know if he's got

1637
01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:54,120
Speaker 1: the same kind of equivalent cardio for his division as

1638
01:13:54,240 --> 01:13:57,040
Speaker 1: someone like Morob. It seems like he might, although Morob

1639
01:13:57,120 --> 01:13:59,680
Speaker 1: is pretty special. But what he does have is he's

1640
01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:02,400
Speaker 1: a more dangerous finisher. You saw in this one the

1641
01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:04,679
Speaker 1: damage he was doing caused the fight to be stopped

1642
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:07,080
Speaker 1: ultimately in the fifth. Yeah, but he's also got great

1643
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:10,400
Speaker 1: guillotines as well. It doesn't mind jumping for them because

1644
01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:12,519
Speaker 1: he's such a devastating finisher. So what I'm pointing out is,

1645
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:15,240
Speaker 1: even if you wanted to argue, he doesn't have quite

1646
01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:18,080
Speaker 1: the motor that someone again, different divisions one to thirty

1647
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:20,960
Speaker 1: five five, but you know, the roughly middleweight equivalent. Even

1648
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:22,920
Speaker 1: if he doesn't have that same kind of motor, he

1649
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:25,240
Speaker 1: more than makes up for it by his ability to

1650
01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:28,960
Speaker 1: go for the finish. I still wonder between his susceptibility

1651
01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:31,439
Speaker 1: to the body as well as just what the style

1652
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:33,760
Speaker 1: is going to look like against an opponent who can

1653
01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:37,600
Speaker 1: sustain their defense and their offense for longer. What that

1654
01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:39,559
Speaker 1: does to him. I don't know, dude.

1655
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:42,040
Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask you a question. This is ignorant. Do

1656
01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:44,560
Speaker 2: ab muscles give you a better chance at withstanding that?

1657
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:46,400
Speaker 2: Because he has a little dad bought around the belly

1658
01:14:46,479 --> 01:14:47,439
Speaker 2: for an elite fighter, That.

1659
01:14:47,479 --> 01:14:49,120
Speaker 1: Doesn't mean he doesn't have abs. That just means he

1660
01:14:49,160 --> 01:14:51,120
Speaker 1: has weight around the middle and you can't spot reduce that.

1661
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:54,880
Speaker 1: So but yes, stronger abs absolutely makes a difference into

1662
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:57,800
Speaker 1: your ability to withstand punches, your entire cores really would.

1663
01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:00,360
Speaker 1: But yes, it can, it can help. I don't think

1664
01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:02,519
Speaker 1: he's weak there. I just think some guys have certain

1665
01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:05,120
Speaker 1: kinds of susceptibilities. It's nothing he's not doing in training,

1666
01:15:05,200 --> 01:15:06,960
Speaker 1: but it just could just be the way he is.

1667
01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:10,439
Speaker 1: But but we need to see what it looks like

1668
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:13,679
Speaker 1: when someone doesn't fold as quickly as someone like Pata.

1669
01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:15,760
Speaker 1: He kind of folded a little bit quickly. He gave

1670
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:17,720
Speaker 1: him around what he had and then never really was

1671
01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:19,240
Speaker 1: able to do much hold that after that?

1672
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:20,040
Speaker 3: What if?

1673
01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:22,400
Speaker 1: What if someone has a good three rounds of resistance?

1674
01:15:22,479 --> 01:15:22,559
Speaker 3: Now?

1675
01:15:22,600 --> 01:15:23,720
Speaker 1: What does it look like? Right right?

1676
01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:27,160
Speaker 2: Pardon the pun? Here as like a booby prize for Pereira.

1677
01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:29,280
Speaker 2: But do you think, I mean, he really worked on

1678
01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:31,760
Speaker 2: those man pecks. Do you think he has the best

1679
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:34,240
Speaker 2: rack in m m A or at least men's m

1680
01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:35,840
Speaker 2: m A if you don't want to go down the other.

1681
01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:37,919
Speaker 1: Road, do you think he is also top competitor?

1682
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:41,040
Speaker 2: I mean I gotta add big eieve ww for sure

1683
01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:45,360
Speaker 2: and Joaquin Buckley by yeah, yeah, I mean that man

1684
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:50,840
Speaker 2: is well packed. I mean Prera's well packaged. Wow. Now

1685
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:53,760
Speaker 2: let's go to the no Stroid's there. There you go.

1686
01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:54,640
Speaker 1: Well.

1687
01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:56,879
Speaker 2: In terms of what could be next for the fluffster,

1688
01:15:57,600 --> 01:15:59,320
Speaker 2: I don't know if he'll get it, but he had

1689
01:15:59,360 --> 01:16:01,400
Speaker 2: some thoughts about it. Big fight. Do you think there

1690
01:16:01,479 --> 01:16:03,920
Speaker 2: is anyone in your division that can keep keep your

1691
01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:04,439
Speaker 2: pace with you?

1692
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:05,080
Speaker 3: Now?

1693
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:07,960
Speaker 6: I mean, like I think would be a great fight realistically,

1694
01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:09,840
Speaker 6: it would be who I see that's mixes it up

1695
01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:12,720
Speaker 6: very well? Is Duplessis? He mixes it very fucking well.

1696
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:14,200
Speaker 6: And that's why he's champion right now, you know what

1697
01:16:14,240 --> 01:16:16,120
Speaker 6: I mean. He's a tough motherfucker and he goes. He

1698
01:16:16,160 --> 01:16:18,800
Speaker 6: looks like he's gas but he keeps pushing. I would

1699
01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:20,760
Speaker 6: love to fight him. I'm just gonna keep climbing the

1700
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:23,360
Speaker 6: ladder till I can get to him, and just good

1701
01:16:23,439 --> 01:16:24,800
Speaker 6: job to him. Keep up, you great work man.

1702
01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:28,000
Speaker 2: Needs an opponent. Is that someone that that you'd like

1703
01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:29,760
Speaker 2: to throw your name in the hat and try and fight.

1704
01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:30,519
Speaker 1: I don't care.

1705
01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:31,040
Speaker 6: I'd fight him.

1706
01:16:32,360 --> 01:16:33,559
Speaker 1: Didn't seem like a ringing indoors.

1707
01:16:33,720 --> 01:16:36,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, he didn't really slam that home, so to speak, right.

1708
01:16:36,280 --> 01:16:39,800
Speaker 1: There, but he recognizes some of the genius of duple see,

1709
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:41,240
Speaker 1: which is just keep just keep working.

1710
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:43,200
Speaker 2: Okay, long Island. Luke shot me down for this, but

1711
01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:46,439
Speaker 2: the internet seemed to date. No, no, no, we're both

1712
01:16:46,560 --> 01:16:48,760
Speaker 2: taken all right, no double date?

1713
01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:50,400
Speaker 1: Should we? Yeah?

1714
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:52,880
Speaker 2: But I was like, we can't make eye contact during.

1715
01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:54,040
Speaker 1: The he at all.

1716
01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:57,679
Speaker 2: I would really want to ask, though, Yeah, I don't

1717
01:16:57,720 --> 01:16:59,200
Speaker 2: really know what. Oh no, I know what I want

1718
01:16:59,240 --> 01:16:59,360
Speaker 2: to do.

1719
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:00,240
Speaker 1: Shut you down for what.

1720
01:17:00,439 --> 01:17:01,920
Speaker 2: I saw a lot of people on Twitter saying, hey,

1721
01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:04,280
Speaker 2: how about how about a good old the pen Steak guy,

1722
01:17:04,439 --> 01:17:06,200
Speaker 2: A bonnickele bo Nickel, how about bon Nickel.

1723
01:17:06,439 --> 01:17:08,400
Speaker 1: I think he's ahead of bon Nickel right now. I

1724
01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:09,559
Speaker 1: think Bow needs to get a win.

1725
01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:13,320
Speaker 2: Is that a trap fight for Bow Nichol's progression or not?

1726
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:16,880
Speaker 1: Yes? It could be, Okay, it could be Yes, absolutely, I.

1727
01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:19,240
Speaker 2: Want to I'm actually interested who you want next for Bow?

1728
01:17:20,120 --> 01:17:22,800
Speaker 1: Is he and Bow fighting again? Have we put them

1729
01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:23,160
Speaker 1: on the list?

1730
01:17:23,240 --> 01:17:24,639
Speaker 4: The top of my head? I want to say, msg,

1731
01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:25,439
Speaker 4: I think he has a fight.

1732
01:17:27,240 --> 01:17:27,640
Speaker 2: Is it like that?

1733
01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:27,920
Speaker 3: Look?

1734
01:17:28,160 --> 01:17:28,479
Speaker 1: I forget?

1735
01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:29,720
Speaker 2: Is it like the Hermanson level?

1736
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:33,920
Speaker 1: Again? I cannot remember who his opponent is. It's oh,

1737
01:17:34,240 --> 01:17:36,960
Speaker 1: friend of them again? He should not lose that.

1738
01:17:37,080 --> 01:17:38,519
Speaker 2: Do you think if Craig loses he gets cut?

1739
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:41,160
Speaker 1: Probably?

1740
01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:42,760
Speaker 2: How many in a row? Is that for Craig?

1741
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:45,679
Speaker 1: Now? Plus he's changed weight classes a bunch.

1742
01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:48,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we'd let him back on this. Remember when

1743
01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:50,400
Speaker 2: he golfed in our hat. I was really proud of them.

1744
01:17:50,479 --> 01:17:53,040
Speaker 1: Yea, it was cool. I think he's got some work

1745
01:17:53,080 --> 01:17:57,360
Speaker 1: to do, Afy. I think Jared Kennonier fight makes sense.

1746
01:17:58,120 --> 01:18:01,080
Speaker 1: Brendan Allen fight makes sense. A lot of inventory fight

1747
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:04,000
Speaker 1: makes sense women. Brendan Allen fought already, I know, but

1748
01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:06,000
Speaker 1: on the regionals, true, not in not in UFC.

1749
01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:10,720
Speaker 2: A lot of people want for Izzy, Kyle Barra or

1750
01:18:10,920 --> 01:18:11,400
Speaker 2: and then that's what.

1751
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:15,519
Speaker 1: Olio is looking for. A top five is already in

1752
01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:17,320
Speaker 1: the top five as well, and they I saw him

1753
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:20,559
Speaker 1: in Izzy kind of that's about for well, for Izzy, yes, yes,

1754
01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:21,000
Speaker 1: you could do that.

1755
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:23,120
Speaker 2: Do you think I mean, it's been a lot of losses.

1756
01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:24,880
Speaker 2: Is he does need that level to come back and

1757
01:18:24,920 --> 01:18:27,720
Speaker 2: win against good I'm not saying these guys aren't good,

1758
01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:29,479
Speaker 2: but I'm saying he's not like waiting for the next

1759
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:30,760
Speaker 2: title shot, like you gotta go back and win a

1760
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:31,240
Speaker 2: big one again.

1761
01:18:31,400 --> 01:18:32,920
Speaker 1: Yes, I think he has to dial it back before

1762
01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:34,840
Speaker 1: he can go forward. Yes, that's right. But for but

1763
01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:37,479
Speaker 1: for Fluffy, I think any of those guys again six

1764
01:18:37,640 --> 01:18:40,000
Speaker 1: to eight or nine something like that, any of those

1765
01:18:40,160 --> 01:18:40,679
Speaker 1: I wish.

1766
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:43,240
Speaker 2: We could see Izzy Strickland too. I would be interested,

1767
01:18:43,320 --> 01:18:44,080
Speaker 2: that would you.

1768
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:47,280
Speaker 1: It looks like you're going to get Strickland too. That's

1769
01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:48,600
Speaker 1: going to be, which, by the way, is also going

1770
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:48,760
Speaker 1: to be.

1771
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:51,000
Speaker 2: And the winner gets easy if he beats somebody else,

1772
01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:54,080
Speaker 2: correct maybe, or are we just giving no respect to

1773
01:18:54,160 --> 01:18:56,040
Speaker 2: Whittaker versus CHAMAIV right now?

1774
01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:58,040
Speaker 1: Not much to that either, yeah, because that's going to.

1775
01:18:58,040 --> 01:19:00,840
Speaker 2: Crash the party as well, right there? All right, good stuff,

1776
01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:03,000
Speaker 2: let's keep it going on here. Let's go quickly to

1777
01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:07,479
Speaker 2: topic number four. It was the first non pay per

1778
01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:10,439
Speaker 2: view card in the PBZ PBC Prime Video era. Took

1779
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:12,720
Speaker 2: place in Orlando on Saturday, Your Boy BC on the

1780
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:16,160
Speaker 2: Call with Brian Custer and Keith one time Thurman, and

1781
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:19,400
Speaker 2: it was Tim zu Not becoming a two time champion

1782
01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:22,000
Speaker 2: the opposite with his father in attendance for the first

1783
01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:24,519
Speaker 2: time as Hall of Fame Dad Costa since his pro

1784
01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:28,720
Speaker 2: debut in twenty sixteen. Tim Zuo, we got a lot

1785
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:31,240
Speaker 2: to talk about here, got really sent to the wood

1786
01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:35,880
Speaker 2: shed by unbeaten champion back room Murtuzaliev. Here's the video.

1787
01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:40,600
Speaker 2: Knockdown four times, four knockdowns in what three and a

1788
01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:41,200
Speaker 2: half rounds?

1789
01:19:41,720 --> 01:19:43,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, by the way, he was as much as a

1790
01:19:43,800 --> 01:19:47,360
Speaker 1: minus eight fifty favorite, Tim Zuo was He yesout.

1791
01:19:46,840 --> 01:19:49,880
Speaker 2: Plus four to twenty five is what Murtazaliev closed aut

1792
01:19:49,960 --> 01:19:51,920
Speaker 2: But it still shows you not to be fair. Luke

1793
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:55,400
Speaker 2: and we'll get into this. Murtazzaliev has never looked this good,

1794
01:19:55,560 --> 01:20:00,599
Speaker 2: like this was peak performance times ten. But as you see, Tim,

1795
01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:02,720
Speaker 2: there were a lot of problems here mechanically in terms

1796
01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:04,880
Speaker 2: of his attitude. A lot of that. They threw in

1797
01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:06,599
Speaker 2: the towel there and round four it and they get.

1798
01:20:06,479 --> 01:20:09,320
Speaker 1: The stop, big stoppage. By the way, first and foremost.

1799
01:20:09,240 --> 01:20:11,760
Speaker 2: Two losses now in a row. Although we talked about

1800
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:13,280
Speaker 2: that first one against Fundora with the cut, and you

1801
01:20:13,400 --> 01:20:16,240
Speaker 2: certainly can write that loss away, but this is two

1802
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:19,439
Speaker 2: damaging losses in a row in terms of physical Now,

1803
01:20:20,760 --> 01:20:22,240
Speaker 2: what does this mean for tim' zuo's future?

1804
01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:24,559
Speaker 1: In your eyes, this is a disaster. We should say

1805
01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:28,599
Speaker 1: it as plainly as we possibly can. You can forgive

1806
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:31,000
Speaker 1: the Fundora loss because it was a cut not just

1807
01:20:31,080 --> 01:20:33,439
Speaker 1: on his face but on his head, and it bled

1808
01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:36,599
Speaker 1: in ways that are very difficult to control. That fight

1809
01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:39,680
Speaker 1: was a blood bath, Fundora's tall, the whole thing just

1810
01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:42,040
Speaker 1: kind of really was a tricky moment for him and

1811
01:20:42,120 --> 01:20:44,439
Speaker 1: he lost him spirited fight, by the way, wasn't one

1812
01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:46,920
Speaker 1: sided by any stretch. Fundora was the right guy to win.

1813
01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:50,519
Speaker 1: But okay, fine, this was the getback fight, by the way,

1814
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:52,920
Speaker 1: they they already had a fight booked for this guy,

1815
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:54,400
Speaker 1: excuse me, late December.

1816
01:20:54,520 --> 01:20:56,240
Speaker 2: It was gonna be ericson Lubin. I know that because

1817
01:20:56,280 --> 01:20:58,400
Speaker 2: he was in the crowd and he told some bloggers

1818
01:20:58,439 --> 01:21:00,040
Speaker 2: after the fight that he just lost his fight that

1819
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:01,479
Speaker 2: it was already buoked for December twenty.

1820
01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:03,639
Speaker 1: Eight, right, So they already were looking past this guy

1821
01:21:04,160 --> 01:21:06,920
Speaker 1: getting ready for a fight in Australia. I'm assuming in

1822
01:21:07,040 --> 01:21:09,320
Speaker 1: late December now that all goes up and smoke. Now

1823
01:21:09,360 --> 01:21:10,800
Speaker 1: you've lost two in a row. But really, the best

1824
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:13,599
Speaker 1: analysis that I saw on this came from Stephen Bredman

1825
01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:16,760
Speaker 1: Edwards we all love Breadman on the show, and he said,

1826
01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:22,200
Speaker 1: this is a real big problem because Zoo had fancied

1827
01:21:22,240 --> 01:21:24,920
Speaker 1: himself as the kind of boxer who could take whatever

1828
01:21:25,080 --> 01:21:27,720
Speaker 1: was thrown at him and walk guys down because he

1829
01:21:28,040 --> 01:21:31,000
Speaker 1: was made of something different. That was how he approached

1830
01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:33,200
Speaker 1: this fight to me, in a reckless way. But it's

1831
01:21:33,240 --> 01:21:35,439
Speaker 1: been something of he's kind of fashioned himself as a

1832
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:38,840
Speaker 1: bit of a boogeyman in this particular weight class, given

1833
01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:41,320
Speaker 1: who he is and the way he fights. Well. Now,

1834
01:21:41,439 --> 01:21:44,000
Speaker 1: he tried that against Mrdazaliev and it blew up in

1835
01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:46,880
Speaker 1: his face big time. First of all, he took a

1836
01:21:46,920 --> 01:21:48,519
Speaker 1: lot of damage in this fight, even though it was

1837
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:50,800
Speaker 1: only two and a half rounds. And then on top

1838
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:54,200
Speaker 1: of it, whatever illusion you had about yourself got Verry

1839
01:21:54,360 --> 01:21:57,400
Speaker 1: shattered with this. So it's not just can he get

1840
01:21:57,560 --> 01:22:01,040
Speaker 1: a win back? I'm sure he will. Can he reclaim

1841
01:22:01,240 --> 01:22:02,200
Speaker 1: his identity?

1842
01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:05,920
Speaker 2: Not to the public, to him saying it's a deeper

1843
01:22:06,040 --> 01:22:08,200
Speaker 2: mental battle than even physical, and it's going to be

1844
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:09,639
Speaker 2: very physical for the beating you, how.

1845
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:11,479
Speaker 1: Can you be a guy who walks somebody down when

1846
01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:13,240
Speaker 1: you tried to walk someone down this fight and you

1847
01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:16,439
Speaker 1: got torn to pieces by him, Against the guy you

1848
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:20,360
Speaker 1: were heavily favored to beat, big questions ahead.

1849
01:22:20,439 --> 01:22:23,800
Speaker 2: He fought way too arrogantly, and I think that's you know,

1850
01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:26,240
Speaker 2: that's not just being disrespectful, it's what happened. He wasn't

1851
01:22:26,240 --> 01:22:28,519
Speaker 2: setting up his punches with a jab. He I mean,

1852
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:30,200
Speaker 2: he almost had too long of a training camp, because

1853
01:22:30,200 --> 01:22:32,120
Speaker 2: remember he had a full training camp to fight Virgil

1854
01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:34,120
Speaker 2: Archie Junior, which would have been a halatious fight for

1855
01:22:34,200 --> 01:22:37,400
Speaker 2: him in August, pulled out because they didn't clear the cut.

1856
01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:40,160
Speaker 2: Then was gonna fight Lubin in September Lubin got hurt

1857
01:22:40,160 --> 01:22:42,439
Speaker 2: and pulled out. So it was a fourteen week training camp.

1858
01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:44,360
Speaker 2: So that's to add to what you said about Breadman.

1859
01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:46,840
Speaker 2: When you come in with like no excuses. The Fundor

1860
01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:49,040
Speaker 2: fight you had an excuse. This fight, you have physically

1861
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:51,559
Speaker 2: no excuses. He actually said, I felt that what made

1862
01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:54,120
Speaker 2: it hurt so bad was because he felt so good

1863
01:22:54,240 --> 01:22:56,160
Speaker 2: coming in. But I don't know if it was the

1864
01:22:56,439 --> 01:22:58,720
Speaker 2: added nature of his dad being there, which was such

1865
01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:02,400
Speaker 2: an emotional reconnection for him and his dad. By the way,

1866
01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:04,960
Speaker 2: I do respect, you know, turns up not when times

1867
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:07,679
Speaker 2: are great, turns up after the Fundora loss, when times

1868
01:23:07,720 --> 01:23:10,240
Speaker 2: were the lowest. Kind of helps build his son back up.

1869
01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:12,960
Speaker 2: Didn't train him, but was an on hand mentor here

1870
01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:15,360
Speaker 2: and then he loses like this in front of his dad.

1871
01:23:15,479 --> 01:23:17,479
Speaker 2: Now to be clear, they threw in the towel. He

1872
01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:19,920
Speaker 2: got stopped on his feet, but he was dropped four times.

1873
01:23:20,120 --> 01:23:22,519
Speaker 2: He was gonna keep fighting until they until he got KOed.

1874
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:24,519
Speaker 2: So it was out cold. So it was good that

1875
01:23:24,560 --> 01:23:30,559
Speaker 2: they threw the towel mercilessly, but mercilly, mercilly, mercilessly, mercilessly, mercifully,

1876
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:35,639
Speaker 2: mercifully mercilessly throw. No, them throwing the towel isn't mercilessly.

1877
01:23:35,640 --> 01:23:38,040
Speaker 1: They're showing merciless mercifulness or mercy.

1878
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:40,200
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you for the lesson right there. But what

1879
01:23:40,280 --> 01:23:41,840
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Luke is, and I think you can agree

1880
01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:44,519
Speaker 2: when you're not setting up your punches, when you're coming

1881
01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:47,760
Speaker 2: recklessly at your opponent, who's by the way, bigger, six

1882
01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:51,639
Speaker 2: foot tall, like difficult, uh junior middleweight, and then you're

1883
01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:54,920
Speaker 2: getting countered by the same left hand over Unlike the

1884
01:23:55,040 --> 01:23:58,799
Speaker 2: last three knockdowns. This is almost Look do you remember

1885
01:23:59,080 --> 01:24:01,840
Speaker 2: how he fought Againstet in his US debut, talking about

1886
01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:04,559
Speaker 2: Tim Zoo in Minneapolis, where he would tell me afterwards,

1887
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:06,639
Speaker 2: I screwed up. Remember he got dropped in a round

1888
01:24:06,640 --> 01:24:09,240
Speaker 2: one by Goshet. He said, I went into terminator mode.

1889
01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:11,080
Speaker 2: Not when I had my opponent hur he goes, I

1890
01:24:11,080 --> 01:24:13,479
Speaker 2: screwed up. I went into terminator mode instantly. That's what

1891
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:16,120
Speaker 2: he did this time around, Luke. Only the stakes were

1892
01:24:16,160 --> 01:24:18,200
Speaker 2: pretty damn high this time around, coming off that loss

1893
01:24:18,240 --> 01:24:20,519
Speaker 2: and going right back into a title fight. I retweeted

1894
01:24:20,520 --> 01:24:22,439
Speaker 2: with Dan Rayfield tweeted, and I agree. I don't like

1895
01:24:22,479 --> 01:24:24,200
Speaker 2: that people are dunking on him, saying this was the

1896
01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:26,080
Speaker 2: worst matchmaking decision. Ever, How did they not get a

1897
01:24:26,160 --> 01:24:28,640
Speaker 2: tune of fight when just a few days before we

1898
01:24:28,720 --> 01:24:30,960
Speaker 2: were playing up how old school he is and that

1899
01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:32,720
Speaker 2: he's ballsy and he didn't want a tune of fight.

1900
01:24:32,760 --> 01:24:35,200
Speaker 2: He want to go back in. I prefer one fighters

1901
01:24:35,240 --> 01:24:37,479
Speaker 2: behave like this when he believed in himself so much

1902
01:24:37,680 --> 01:24:39,120
Speaker 2: that he was like, screw that fight. I'm not even

1903
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:40,760
Speaker 2: gonna make excuses. I don't even care what you say

1904
01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:42,240
Speaker 2: about it. It was a loss. I lost to the

1905
01:24:42,280 --> 01:24:44,280
Speaker 2: better man. I'm coming back in this one. And now

1906
01:24:44,360 --> 01:24:46,000
Speaker 2: Tim said this all over again. He said the right

1907
01:24:46,040 --> 01:24:48,680
Speaker 2: things after this one. But Luke, what was unforgivable Tell

1908
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:50,760
Speaker 2: me if I'm wrong was the style in which he

1909
01:24:50,840 --> 01:24:52,479
Speaker 2: brought in that he was going to walk through mart

1910
01:24:52,520 --> 01:24:54,880
Speaker 2: to Zieleev like he was nothing. Turns out he was

1911
01:24:54,960 --> 01:24:57,360
Speaker 2: not only something. He was something on the biggest night

1912
01:24:57,400 --> 01:25:01,000
Speaker 2: of his life, very very good and danger like Merchisali

1913
01:25:01,080 --> 01:25:04,120
Speaker 2: have took Zoo's biggest punches, countered Cleaner got him the

1914
01:25:04,200 --> 01:25:08,320
Speaker 2: hell out of there. That's where the biggest fear factor

1915
01:25:08,400 --> 01:25:11,120
Speaker 2: is for me on Tim not mentally, can he rebuild

1916
01:25:11,160 --> 01:25:12,760
Speaker 2: himself I think he can because I think he's cut

1917
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:16,000
Speaker 2: from a different cloth, not necessarily physically, how well the

1918
01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:18,320
Speaker 2: damage in both fights. Look, I think he needs time off.

1919
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:19,920
Speaker 2: He can't keep doing the old school thing of wanting

1920
01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:22,960
Speaker 2: to fight every three months after losses like this. But Luke,

1921
01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:25,200
Speaker 2: I think there's something to the connection here between his

1922
01:25:25,320 --> 01:25:27,320
Speaker 2: dad and how he performed. I'm not blaming it on

1923
01:25:27,439 --> 01:25:31,080
Speaker 2: his dad, but something about I mean, remember the dad

1924
01:25:31,240 --> 01:25:33,719
Speaker 2: got divorced and moved out in twenty twelve and started

1925
01:25:33,760 --> 01:25:35,840
Speaker 2: the new family, so they've been separated for a while.

1926
01:25:36,880 --> 01:25:39,400
Speaker 2: In fact, Tim's younger brother, Nikita, who's a pro fighter,

1927
01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:43,320
Speaker 2: was there. It was the first time Dad Costa in

1928
01:25:43,840 --> 01:25:46,320
Speaker 2: Nikita had seen each other in person in ten years.

1929
01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:51,479
Speaker 2: Ten years, dude sentence, So I know that Dad was

1930
01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:54,760
Speaker 2: in their life from a phone call standpoint, and they

1931
01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:57,320
Speaker 2: seem to speak respectful. But don't forget what was Tim

1932
01:25:57,400 --> 01:25:59,800
Speaker 2: saying in interviews after some of his biggest wins, like

1933
01:26:00,320 --> 01:26:02,439
Speaker 2: and some of those he was saying, what's my motherfucking name?

1934
01:26:03,160 --> 01:26:05,280
Speaker 2: Isn't that? In some ways it is telling people like

1935
01:26:05,479 --> 01:26:08,519
Speaker 2: don't judge me as Costazu's junior, But it also felt

1936
01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:11,360
Speaker 2: there was some defiance in that like, I love my dad,

1937
01:26:11,400 --> 01:26:13,400
Speaker 2: but where is he right now? So his dad showed

1938
01:26:13,439 --> 01:26:15,400
Speaker 2: up and I listened to every interview that Coaster did.

1939
01:26:15,439 --> 01:26:16,880
Speaker 2: He did a lot of great sitdowns this week in

1940
01:26:16,960 --> 01:26:19,560
Speaker 2: arlanda one with Ben Damon there of Fox Sports Australia.

1941
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:21,920
Speaker 2: And look, he really talked up how between the business

1942
01:26:21,960 --> 01:26:24,200
Speaker 2: he owns, which I believe is a restaurant in Russia,

1943
01:26:24,360 --> 01:26:26,120
Speaker 2: and he's got a bunch of other properties, and the

1944
01:26:26,200 --> 01:26:28,360
Speaker 2: fact that he has two small kids in his new marriage.

1945
01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:31,040
Speaker 2: He says he has no time. He said he would

1946
01:26:31,040 --> 01:26:32,720
Speaker 2: be at both of his son's fights, but he has

1947
01:26:32,840 --> 01:26:34,560
Speaker 2: no time, and they had to move all of his

1948
01:26:34,600 --> 01:26:36,160
Speaker 2: stuff for him to be able to go to this fight,

1949
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:39,320
Speaker 2: and he was just like, it's impossible on to get

1950
01:26:39,320 --> 01:26:42,840
Speaker 2: three days off a year, blah blah blah. There's I

1951
01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:46,120
Speaker 2: think there's some longing here naturally from Tim to not

1952
01:26:46,280 --> 01:26:49,280
Speaker 2: just have his dad around and the influence, but maybe

1953
01:26:49,280 --> 01:26:51,040
Speaker 2: even for his dad to be his trainer. Now, this

1954
01:26:51,200 --> 01:26:54,040
Speaker 2: is me speaking out of pocket, you know, deep dive

1955
01:26:54,120 --> 01:26:56,680
Speaker 2: psychology here, But don't forget his hall of fame. Dad

1956
01:26:56,760 --> 01:26:59,680
Speaker 2: was a very good trainer who trained Alexander Povetkin too.

1957
01:26:59,680 --> 01:27:04,599
Speaker 2: The world title trained Dennis Lebedeva Cres Cruiserway. I'm wondering, Luke,

1958
01:27:04,680 --> 01:27:06,800
Speaker 2: if that's where Tim should go next. When we're talking

1959
01:27:06,800 --> 01:27:08,439
Speaker 2: about how does he rebuild himself, I don't even know

1960
01:27:08,439 --> 01:27:10,280
Speaker 2: if it's possible with his dad lived in Russia. All though,

1961
01:27:10,280 --> 01:27:12,240
Speaker 2: in that long interview with Ben Damon, his dad was

1962
01:27:12,280 --> 01:27:14,320
Speaker 2: basically like, I wish he would come fight in Russia

1963
01:27:14,320 --> 01:27:16,800
Speaker 2: because I have so many connections from my past and

1964
01:27:16,840 --> 01:27:19,120
Speaker 2: success here. We could open up so many doors for him.

1965
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:21,920
Speaker 2: What do you think about that idea he's been trained

1966
01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:23,840
Speaker 2: by his I think his uncle forever.

1967
01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:28,640
Speaker 1: I think you are dodging a more central question, not

1968
01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:32,799
Speaker 1: that this result gives us an answer. In fact, it doesn't,

1969
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:35,479
Speaker 1: which is why I do think it's an important question.

1970
01:27:37,439 --> 01:27:38,639
Speaker 1: Are we overrating Tim.

1971
01:27:38,640 --> 01:27:41,760
Speaker 2: Zoo well' that's a conversation we should have.

1972
01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:46,240
Speaker 1: Now we overrating him a little bit? I'm going I

1973
01:27:46,280 --> 01:27:48,360
Speaker 1: can believe some of the things you're saying that this

1974
01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:53,120
Speaker 1: unique moment in time led to results that maybe a

1975
01:27:53,160 --> 01:27:55,680
Speaker 1: different set of focuses and priorities would get into a

1976
01:27:55,680 --> 01:27:59,200
Speaker 1: different result. Fine, fine, are we overrating him?

1977
01:27:59,240 --> 01:27:59,360
Speaker 3: Though?

1978
01:28:00,479 --> 01:28:02,040
Speaker 2: Well? To answer the final part of that, I think

1979
01:28:02,120 --> 01:28:05,280
Speaker 2: he overplayed his hand in this fight because he was

1980
01:28:05,320 --> 01:28:07,080
Speaker 2: trying to show his dad that he can do this,

1981
01:28:07,160 --> 01:28:09,280
Speaker 2: that he's at that level. So it was poor management

1982
01:28:09,280 --> 01:28:11,160
Speaker 2: on decision making there. But it does bleed into your question,

1983
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:14,479
Speaker 2: are we overrating him even from a decision making standpoint? Well,

1984
01:28:14,520 --> 01:28:16,559
Speaker 2: I do think he made the wrong choice against Gashet,

1985
01:28:16,600 --> 01:28:17,840
Speaker 2: but he was you know, he got dropped early. He

1986
01:28:17,920 --> 01:28:20,240
Speaker 2: kind of fought recklessly. He wasn't using movement or much

1987
01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:22,639
Speaker 2: defense or setting up his shots, but he was able

1988
01:28:22,680 --> 01:28:24,960
Speaker 2: to still win that fight and still be dominant in

1989
01:28:25,040 --> 01:28:28,760
Speaker 2: the second half of that. We're overrating him on the

1990
01:28:28,840 --> 01:28:30,639
Speaker 2: decision making, but I'm not going to say that he's

1991
01:28:30,640 --> 01:28:33,200
Speaker 2: overrated on skill Luke, because I still don't think we've

1992
01:28:33,240 --> 01:28:35,519
Speaker 2: seen the best of him in his biggest fights when

1993
01:28:35,560 --> 01:28:38,320
Speaker 2: he puts it all together. I think sometimes his strategy

1994
01:28:38,360 --> 01:28:40,000
Speaker 2: has waned a little bit. To his credit, I think

1995
01:28:40,200 --> 01:28:41,920
Speaker 2: he has improved over the last four or five six

1996
01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:44,160
Speaker 2: fights and keeps adding more to it, but I still

1997
01:28:44,200 --> 01:28:46,920
Speaker 2: think there's another level up that he can't hit. Obviously,

1998
01:28:47,040 --> 01:28:50,120
Speaker 2: what's built into that question is is he have the

1999
01:28:50,160 --> 01:28:51,800
Speaker 2: right makeup to actually hit that? Is he actually good

2000
01:28:51,880 --> 01:28:53,920
Speaker 2: enough to hit that peak that we all imagine where

2001
01:28:53,960 --> 01:28:56,960
Speaker 2: he's a you know, somewhat dominant defending champion, even against

2002
01:28:56,960 --> 01:28:59,840
Speaker 2: the big names in this division. I think when he

2003
01:29:00,200 --> 01:29:03,479
Speaker 2: wired right in carrying out a game plan, is he

2004
01:29:03,560 --> 01:29:05,960
Speaker 2: better than Terrence Crawford at one fifty four? No, but

2005
01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:08,240
Speaker 2: he's a truly elite fighter who can win a fight

2006
01:29:08,240 --> 01:29:09,400
Speaker 2: against anybody at any time.

2007
01:29:09,520 --> 01:29:12,719
Speaker 1: I will tell you I'm less convinced of that today

2008
01:29:12,760 --> 01:29:13,160
Speaker 1: than I was.

2009
01:29:13,280 --> 01:29:16,360
Speaker 2: I mean, what happened Saturday has a physical and mental

2010
01:29:16,439 --> 01:29:18,559
Speaker 2: possibility to break him. There's no question or send him

2011
01:29:18,680 --> 01:29:21,400
Speaker 2: or or we can get diminished results moving forward. Did

2012
01:29:21,439 --> 01:29:24,479
Speaker 2: you just air biscuit, just let it out?

2013
01:29:25,560 --> 01:29:26,160
Speaker 3: But I do.

2014
01:29:26,360 --> 01:29:27,960
Speaker 2: I think that's the missing link to give a try

2015
01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:30,400
Speaker 2: go of training with his dad and maybe moving his

2016
01:29:30,439 --> 01:29:34,320
Speaker 2: life situation and just really buying into what's that next

2017
01:29:34,560 --> 01:29:37,240
Speaker 2: extra level of discipline and love that he can get

2018
01:29:37,280 --> 01:29:40,840
Speaker 2: from that relationship and experience handed down to him that said, Okay,

2019
01:29:41,080 --> 01:29:43,960
Speaker 2: before it is too late to reinvent, let's reinvent, but

2020
01:29:44,040 --> 01:29:46,080
Speaker 2: let's do what should have always been there but our

2021
01:29:46,160 --> 01:29:49,479
Speaker 2: life circumstances didn't allow. I think he needs his dad

2022
01:29:49,479 --> 01:29:51,439
Speaker 2: and his life on an absolutely day to day basis,

2023
01:29:51,479 --> 01:29:53,040
Speaker 2: and I wonder what that would do to him to

2024
01:29:53,160 --> 01:29:55,439
Speaker 2: get to that missing level and become the fighter who

2025
01:29:55,520 --> 01:29:57,840
Speaker 2: could go in there against a Terrence Crawford type where

2026
01:29:57,840 --> 01:29:59,120
Speaker 2: you would say, I think he's got a shot.

2027
01:29:59,560 --> 01:30:00,680
Speaker 1: I think that I still in him.

2028
01:30:00,720 --> 01:30:03,160
Speaker 2: I'll say this, I think that that is an interesting.

2029
01:30:02,840 --> 01:30:06,280
Speaker 1: Possibility that I hope it plays out so we can

2030
01:30:06,360 --> 01:30:09,040
Speaker 1: get a more definitive answer to this question about just

2031
01:30:09,200 --> 01:30:13,240
Speaker 1: how good is Timzu and who needs to be there

2032
01:30:13,360 --> 01:30:14,439
Speaker 1: to get that out of him.

2033
01:30:14,560 --> 01:30:17,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, quickly on Bakram Mertazaliev, we almost didn't

2034
01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:19,760
Speaker 2: talk about him at all coming in. He delivers maybe

2035
01:30:19,800 --> 01:30:23,160
Speaker 2: the upset of the year, and he did it so dominantly. Luke,

2036
01:30:23,240 --> 01:30:25,719
Speaker 2: you know this division as fun as heck. Terrence Crawford,

2037
01:30:25,880 --> 01:30:29,000
Speaker 2: Erol Spence coming back, Sebastian Fandora, Jamel Charlow wants to

2038
01:30:29,040 --> 01:30:31,080
Speaker 2: come back and get a big fight is real. Madrodov

2039
01:30:31,160 --> 01:30:35,679
Speaker 2: is now legit. You also have unbeaten Virgil Ortiz Junior

2040
01:30:35,760 --> 01:30:37,639
Speaker 2: and Sir hey Boachuk, who just had that great Fight

2041
01:30:37,760 --> 01:30:41,680
Speaker 2: of the Year contender with Ortiz is now gonna fight Madromov.

2042
01:30:42,120 --> 01:30:44,800
Speaker 2: Where do you see Mertazaliev on the basis of that

2043
01:30:44,920 --> 01:30:47,559
Speaker 2: performance being careful not to overrat it given the Zoo

2044
01:30:47,640 --> 01:30:49,960
Speaker 2: side of it, is he a player against any of

2045
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:50,400
Speaker 2: those names?

2046
01:30:50,439 --> 01:30:52,800
Speaker 1: Now moving forward again, it's a problem with a fight

2047
01:30:52,920 --> 01:30:55,240
Speaker 1: like this, particularly because I know he was fighting during

2048
01:30:55,320 --> 01:30:57,960
Speaker 1: Ramadan in his last contest where he looked very twenty

2049
01:30:58,040 --> 01:31:00,360
Speaker 1: ninth day of Roun Yeah, I mean he looked sub optimal,

2050
01:31:00,479 --> 01:31:02,120
Speaker 1: is I think the nicest way you could put that.

2051
01:31:02,240 --> 01:31:05,639
Speaker 1: But he looked more than suboptimal here. He looked pretty great. However,

2052
01:31:05,760 --> 01:31:09,000
Speaker 1: BC it wasn't like he did anything extra special in

2053
01:31:09,080 --> 01:31:12,240
Speaker 1: this contest. He had an opponent who had bad defense,

2054
01:31:12,400 --> 01:31:15,040
Speaker 1: and so what he did was he shut that guy

2055
01:31:15,120 --> 01:31:18,719
Speaker 1: out with a great left hook. But really, boxing basics,

2056
01:31:18,800 --> 01:31:20,519
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's easy to do what he's doing.

2057
01:31:20,680 --> 01:31:24,320
Speaker 1: I'm saying he had a core, foundational game that was

2058
01:31:24,439 --> 01:31:27,280
Speaker 1: plenty good for the moment. That doesn't tell me a

2059
01:31:27,360 --> 01:31:29,160
Speaker 1: whole lot about how he's going to do against the

2060
01:31:29,360 --> 01:31:31,800
Speaker 1: very very best that this division has to offer if

2061
01:31:31,840 --> 01:31:34,960
Speaker 1: they're fighting him in more careful, concerted ways, not like

2062
01:31:35,040 --> 01:31:36,800
Speaker 1: what Tim Zoo was doing with just walking a guy down,

2063
01:31:36,880 --> 01:31:40,640
Speaker 1: getting hitting, not adjusting, and just keeping keep dude, if

2064
01:31:40,640 --> 01:31:43,200
Speaker 1: you get hit with the same fucking punch through four

2065
01:31:43,240 --> 01:31:45,880
Speaker 1: different knockdowns and you don't change your strategy. What are

2066
01:31:45,960 --> 01:31:52,360
Speaker 1: you doing? So it's hard to Mortisoli. I'm not criticizing

2067
01:31:52,439 --> 01:31:55,000
Speaker 1: him because he did exactly what he was supposed to do.

2068
01:31:55,640 --> 01:31:59,559
Speaker 1: He shouldn't have done anything different. However, doing that doesn't

2069
01:31:59,640 --> 01:32:02,439
Speaker 1: tell a a lot in my opinion about how I

2070
01:32:02,520 --> 01:32:05,479
Speaker 1: fight with Virgil ortiz might go. I mean, he's also

2071
01:32:05,520 --> 01:32:08,080
Speaker 1: a rock'm soccam guy, but I would assume he'd make

2072
01:32:08,160 --> 01:32:11,559
Speaker 1: some adjustments about defense. Sure, I'm just hesitant to say

2073
01:32:11,560 --> 01:32:13,680
Speaker 1: a lot about Mertzalie, except he did exactly what he

2074
01:32:13,760 --> 01:32:15,559
Speaker 1: was supposed to do and he got a phenomenal win

2075
01:32:15,600 --> 01:32:16,040
Speaker 1: as a round.

2076
01:32:16,160 --> 01:32:18,080
Speaker 2: It felt good in that moment not not to see

2077
01:32:18,160 --> 01:32:19,800
Speaker 2: Zoo go through that. And then you're thinking, well that

2078
01:32:19,880 --> 01:32:21,800
Speaker 2: you know, is this a stetback for PBC. They had

2079
01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:23,840
Speaker 2: big plans for him. Obviously Zoo can still come back

2080
01:32:23,840 --> 01:32:26,400
Speaker 2: and make that name. But I felt good for Mrtizalia

2081
01:32:26,479 --> 01:32:28,639
Speaker 2: for main events, the promo Kathy Duber that was there.

2082
01:32:29,080 --> 01:32:32,720
Speaker 2: They this put his name firmly in the collection to

2083
01:32:32,760 --> 01:32:34,799
Speaker 2: get a big fight. It's like he was already champion,

2084
01:32:35,040 --> 01:32:37,160
Speaker 2: but no, he didn't prove it like this, And whether

2085
01:32:37,280 --> 01:32:39,760
Speaker 2: Tim came in you know, arrogant, which he did and

2086
01:32:40,280 --> 01:32:42,920
Speaker 2: walked into a lot of that Mertizalie still took big

2087
01:32:42,960 --> 01:32:45,160
Speaker 2: shots early and just stood his ground and showed you

2088
01:32:45,400 --> 01:32:47,519
Speaker 2: by the way he averages double the Middleway average in

2089
01:32:47,600 --> 01:32:50,599
Speaker 2: terms of junior middleweight average of punches attempted p round.

2090
01:32:50,640 --> 01:32:53,200
Speaker 2: He is a swarm of offense in your face. And

2091
01:32:53,320 --> 01:32:54,880
Speaker 2: he's I think he's a chechen guy.

2092
01:32:55,880 --> 01:32:58,400
Speaker 1: Yes, I think he's certainly muscling nail dude. You know,

2093
01:32:59,160 --> 01:33:01,920
Speaker 1: alack bars. The fight was over. Yeah, he was so elated.

2094
01:33:02,280 --> 01:33:03,680
Speaker 1: I do want to say one thing though, I one

2095
01:33:03,760 --> 01:33:05,400
Speaker 1: time had a boxing trainer explain this to me. He

2096
01:33:05,479 --> 01:33:07,519
Speaker 1: was like, you will see people get hit in boxing fights,

2097
01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:09,840
Speaker 1: he goes, but it's actually when you have really good fighters,

2098
01:33:09,920 --> 01:33:12,760
Speaker 1: it's very very rare to see someone get hit super clean.

2099
01:33:13,160 --> 01:33:14,680
Speaker 1: It does happen, but it tends to happen as like

2100
01:33:14,720 --> 01:33:17,360
Speaker 1: finishing shots. Yes, like the shot that Tank finished off

2101
01:33:17,400 --> 01:33:19,639
Speaker 1: Frank Martin with. That was a very clean punch.

2102
01:33:19,760 --> 01:33:19,920
Speaker 2: Yep.

2103
01:33:20,040 --> 01:33:24,799
Speaker 1: Right. Not only did Tim Zoo get hit clean multiple

2104
01:33:24,920 --> 01:33:28,479
Speaker 1: times in this fight, he got hit cleanly multiple times

2105
01:33:28,520 --> 01:33:31,519
Speaker 1: in this fight with the exact same punch. Yep, dude,

2106
01:33:31,560 --> 01:33:34,160
Speaker 1: this is an all time bad performance by him, and

2107
01:33:34,240 --> 01:33:36,360
Speaker 1: there's really no other way to say it. I like Timzoo,

2108
01:33:36,560 --> 01:33:39,439
Speaker 1: He's been nice to us. He certainly has action packed fights.

2109
01:33:40,040 --> 01:33:41,880
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, he fucked this fight.

2110
01:33:41,920 --> 01:33:43,599
Speaker 2: Well, let's hear from Tim Zoo and we can judge

2111
01:33:43,640 --> 01:33:45,280
Speaker 2: based on his voice here what we're picking out of.

2112
01:33:45,280 --> 01:33:49,839
Speaker 1: It, But just what's going through your mind? Uh, pornogras happened?

2113
01:33:52,040 --> 01:33:57,800
Speaker 7: Order get hit with and couldn't a group And alright, man,

2114
01:33:58,840 --> 01:34:02,160
Speaker 7: shit doesn't get any work and you just have to

2115
01:34:03,840 --> 01:34:07,400
Speaker 7: You just have to bounce back, you know. I was

2116
01:34:07,479 --> 01:34:11,519
Speaker 7: positive after the fund or well, I got a fun

2117
01:34:11,560 --> 01:34:12,000
Speaker 7: more answer.

2118
01:34:12,040 --> 01:34:12,760
Speaker 2: We just want to do that.

2119
01:34:12,920 --> 01:34:17,720
Speaker 1: Like this didn't go according to scripts. It was a

2120
01:34:17,840 --> 01:34:18,519
Speaker 1: little bit different.

2121
01:34:18,640 --> 01:34:22,200
Speaker 7: I felt unbelievable, I'll bit honestly, Yeah, quoughte unbelievable.

2122
01:34:22,320 --> 01:34:23,040
Speaker 1: Had a great prep.

2123
01:34:23,280 --> 01:34:27,720
Speaker 7: So here you got me man, and it was a

2124
01:34:27,760 --> 01:34:30,519
Speaker 7: better man on the snot and we're living.

2125
01:34:30,560 --> 01:34:33,120
Speaker 1: We live. I give him a lot of credit for

2126
01:34:33,280 --> 01:34:34,640
Speaker 1: how he looks devastated.

2127
01:34:34,680 --> 01:34:35,559
Speaker 2: He does look devastated.

2128
01:34:35,600 --> 01:34:35,760
Speaker 1: There.

2129
01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:38,000
Speaker 2: He put out a video today where he sounded more

2130
01:34:38,840 --> 01:34:40,639
Speaker 2: you know more, a little bit more upyat and thanked

2131
01:34:40,680 --> 01:34:42,600
Speaker 2: everybody and just said, look the better man. Want I

2132
01:34:42,680 --> 01:34:44,320
Speaker 2: know what went wrong. You know, I want to fix it.

2133
01:34:44,360 --> 01:34:46,519
Speaker 2: And like my dad always told me, like you knocked down,

2134
01:34:46,560 --> 01:34:48,880
Speaker 2: you get back up. And you know, we cheer for him.

2135
01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:50,519
Speaker 2: We want him, you know, we want to see any

2136
01:34:50,640 --> 01:34:52,640
Speaker 2: any guy go through that, you know, come back from it.

2137
01:34:52,760 --> 01:34:55,439
Speaker 2: But he's gonna have to take some time. That's the thing.

2138
01:34:55,439 --> 01:34:57,960
Speaker 2: You gotta take some time. And I'm telling you, dude,

2139
01:34:58,000 --> 01:35:00,679
Speaker 2: I think the answer is posted to I think Costa.

2140
01:35:00,680 --> 01:35:03,080
Speaker 2: I think Tim's gotta maybe even move there, maybe even

2141
01:35:03,120 --> 01:35:04,920
Speaker 2: move to Russia, get in touch with that side, and

2142
01:35:05,080 --> 01:35:08,000
Speaker 2: just go after it. He's gotta I mean, he's gotta

2143
01:35:08,080 --> 01:35:10,360
Speaker 2: work on some things. There's gotta be more to but

2144
01:35:10,439 --> 01:35:12,080
Speaker 2: he shows that in other fights though. That's the thing.

2145
01:35:12,200 --> 01:35:13,599
Speaker 2: That's why I'm not gonna give up on him, because

2146
01:35:13,600 --> 01:35:16,640
Speaker 2: he's shown that, dude, his ability is a counterpuncher, his

2147
01:35:16,680 --> 01:35:17,439
Speaker 2: ability to gain pop.

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01:35:17,479 --> 01:35:19,360
Speaker 1: I don't think he is bad. Again, we're asking how

2149
01:35:19,400 --> 01:35:22,200
Speaker 1: good is he? Was he overrated? That's more about like

2150
01:35:22,400 --> 01:35:29,719
Speaker 1: media hype. Yeah, clearly he is talented. But again, Breadman

2151
01:35:29,800 --> 01:35:31,559
Speaker 1: said this to me one time, and we're not saying

2152
01:35:31,560 --> 01:35:33,040
Speaker 1: that Tim Zu is a pound for pound guy, but

2153
01:35:33,040 --> 01:35:36,719
Speaker 1: it's the kind of lesson he was like when Bud

2154
01:35:36,800 --> 01:35:40,760
Speaker 1: Crawford beat Spence so badly, he goes, you just can't

2155
01:35:40,840 --> 01:35:43,320
Speaker 1: be a pound for pound guy and lose like that, right,

2156
01:35:43,640 --> 01:35:47,040
Speaker 1: you can't do that. And so for Zoo to lose,

2157
01:35:47,320 --> 01:35:50,360
Speaker 1: which this was even worse than that, against much less

2158
01:35:50,400 --> 01:35:54,479
Speaker 1: credential opposition than fucking Bud Crawford, you know what I mean, Like,

2159
01:35:54,680 --> 01:35:57,599
Speaker 1: it's such a bat dude. Good boxers don't get hit

2160
01:35:57,720 --> 01:35:59,560
Speaker 1: very cleanly, and they definitely don't get hit cleanly with

2161
01:35:59,560 --> 01:36:01,080
Speaker 1: the same punt over the course of two and a half.

2162
01:36:01,160 --> 01:36:03,840
Speaker 1: This is such a bad loss. Yeah, So let's see

2163
01:36:03,840 --> 01:36:06,679
Speaker 1: how he comes back and then we'll get a fuller picture. Wow,

2164
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Speaker 1: what a setback big time?

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Speaker 2: Uh luke. Do you know when you discover something, you

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Speaker 2: just want to share it with the people you love

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Speaker 2: on your iPod and you just sent me it's just

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Speaker 2: in your head.

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Speaker 1: By Robin No Reef the Lost Cause.

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Speaker 2: All right, Louke, quickly, let's go.

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Speaker 1: Into we have time for this or do you want

2208
01:38:06,000 --> 01:38:06,280
Speaker 1: to punt to?

2209
01:38:06,479 --> 01:38:08,040
Speaker 2: I think we should punt a Friday, so we were

2210
01:38:08,080 --> 01:38:12,280
Speaker 2: gonna set the stage for all things UFC, three oh eight, Eliotaporia,

2211
01:38:12,360 --> 01:38:15,120
Speaker 2: Max Holloway, and much more. But Friday we have the

2212
01:38:15,200 --> 01:38:17,559
Speaker 2: real estate. We can go two hours ham on that car.

2213
01:38:17,640 --> 01:38:20,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I gotta tell you three oh eight the card

2214
01:38:21,120 --> 01:38:22,680
Speaker 1: knock on. I don't have any wood to knock on.

2215
01:38:23,400 --> 01:38:30,680
Speaker 1: Uh morning, would I'll just knock on that? Uh. It's

2216
01:38:30,760 --> 01:38:34,160
Speaker 1: the best fight in MMA. The card itself pretty great,

2217
01:38:34,720 --> 01:38:38,040
Speaker 1: kind of score, long outlook on paper? Would you give

2218
01:38:38,080 --> 01:38:39,120
Speaker 1: the main card for three oh eight?

2219
01:38:39,600 --> 01:38:41,599
Speaker 4: I mean the fact that it's an afternoon card, it's

2220
01:38:41,680 --> 01:38:43,840
Speaker 4: automatically an eight. Then you look at the card itself.

2221
01:38:43,840 --> 01:38:44,519
Speaker 4: I'll give it a nine.

2222
01:38:45,040 --> 01:38:45,280
Speaker 1: Dude.

2223
01:38:45,280 --> 01:38:46,320
Speaker 2: I love afternoon card.

2224
01:38:46,320 --> 01:38:49,519
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, an entire month of mostly afternoon

2225
01:38:49,600 --> 01:38:51,519
Speaker 1: car has been awesome.

2226
01:38:51,680 --> 01:38:53,640
Speaker 2: You saw you sent it to me. Bob Baron was

2227
01:38:53,680 --> 01:38:56,200
Speaker 2: on Dan Rayfield's Big Fight Weekend podcast and he said

2228
01:38:56,240 --> 01:38:59,639
Speaker 2: that the Saudi cards moving forward will only be in Saudi.

2229
01:39:00,000 --> 01:39:01,800
Speaker 1: Apparently, though I was on vacation for this one. The

2230
01:39:01,920 --> 01:39:04,960
Speaker 1: Madromov Bud Crawford fight, that was a REAT season event

2231
01:39:05,000 --> 01:39:08,280
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, Apparently it was a financial flop. They

2232
01:39:08,320 --> 01:39:08,720
Speaker 1: didn't make it.

2233
01:39:09,040 --> 01:39:10,800
Speaker 2: I guess that only it was only a twelve hour show.

2234
01:39:10,880 --> 01:39:12,840
Speaker 1: It was only a twelve hour show with eminem and

2235
01:39:13,000 --> 01:39:15,960
Speaker 1: it probably didn't sell that great. And so apparently what

2236
01:39:16,320 --> 01:39:19,519
Speaker 1: Turkey is now under orders to do from his handlers

2237
01:39:19,920 --> 01:39:21,439
Speaker 1: is that if you're going to have a REAT season event,

2238
01:39:21,479 --> 01:39:22,719
Speaker 1: it has to be in RIOD.

2239
01:39:23,800 --> 01:39:23,880
Speaker 3: Now.

2240
01:39:23,960 --> 01:39:26,439
Speaker 2: I don't want all my combat pay per views to

2241
01:39:26,520 --> 01:39:28,519
Speaker 2: be on that side of the world because it takes

2242
01:39:28,520 --> 01:39:31,439
Speaker 2: away from the organic in your country build. When you

2243
01:39:31,479 --> 01:39:33,000
Speaker 2: got a big fight in Vegas or LA or New

2244
01:39:33,080 --> 01:39:34,800
Speaker 2: York and you got press tours in your building it up.

2245
01:39:34,840 --> 01:39:36,920
Speaker 2: I don't want to remove that element of it. But

2246
01:39:37,000 --> 01:39:39,800
Speaker 2: if you told me, HEYBC, every fight moving forward's got

2247
01:39:39,920 --> 01:39:41,960
Speaker 2: to be in Saudi, but you'll get a main event

2248
01:39:42,040 --> 01:39:45,760
Speaker 2: time start of like you know, five pm Eastern, Yeah,

2249
01:39:45,880 --> 01:39:48,320
Speaker 2: even six pm, even seven pm, let's go.

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01:39:48,520 --> 01:39:51,160
Speaker 1: I'm taking that ten. Let's go ten times out of ten,

2251
01:39:51,200 --> 01:39:51,799
Speaker 1: I'm taking.

2252
01:39:51,680 --> 01:39:54,360
Speaker 2: That's that's just being old pieces of shit talking.

2253
01:39:54,280 --> 01:39:56,360
Speaker 1: Right, dude. I just don't like going to bed at

2254
01:39:56,439 --> 01:39:56,880
Speaker 1: five am.

2255
01:39:57,040 --> 01:39:58,600
Speaker 2: Oh. I don't like having to come up with my

2256
01:39:58,840 --> 01:40:02,240
Speaker 2: sharpest analysis when I'm writing a postfikalum at two thirty

2257
01:40:02,240 --> 01:40:04,240
Speaker 2: three am. Yeah, it's just like I'm a lot better

2258
01:40:04,280 --> 01:40:07,960
Speaker 2: at six pm. Yeah, yeah, significant long Now, Look, even you,

2259
01:40:08,080 --> 01:40:10,680
Speaker 2: being a younger degenerate, you got to support this.

2260
01:40:11,240 --> 01:40:13,479
Speaker 4: I'm all for the earlier cards. I don't love, like

2261
01:40:13,640 --> 01:40:15,320
Speaker 4: like this one's at two pm. I like it a

2262
01:40:15,439 --> 01:40:17,280
Speaker 4: little later, but I'm not gonna go the.

2263
01:40:17,280 --> 01:40:19,400
Speaker 1: Boxing ones because you only really care about the main

2264
01:40:19,479 --> 01:40:21,280
Speaker 1: and comain or even just the main, and those are

2265
01:40:21,320 --> 01:40:23,080
Speaker 1: all like five pm, so you get the whole day

2266
01:40:23,120 --> 01:40:25,479
Speaker 1: to just fuck off, and then it's the sun's going down.

2267
01:40:25,520 --> 01:40:28,479
Speaker 1: Are pretty close to it, you know, crack a beer

2268
01:40:28,560 --> 01:40:30,200
Speaker 1: and then turn on your stream East.

2269
01:40:30,240 --> 01:40:32,640
Speaker 2: And about the tim Zoo card that I was a

2270
01:40:32,720 --> 01:40:35,599
Speaker 2: part of that was started the eight pm Eastern main

2271
01:40:35,680 --> 01:40:37,759
Speaker 2: event done by ten fifteen.

2272
01:40:39,600 --> 01:40:40,040
Speaker 1: That's so bad.

2273
01:40:40,160 --> 01:40:41,839
Speaker 2: It was just, you know, not a lot of hype packages.

2274
01:40:41,880 --> 01:40:44,880
Speaker 1: Get right, you can be in bed before midnight. I

2275
01:40:44,920 --> 01:40:46,160
Speaker 1: think you're winning. I know.

2276
01:40:46,600 --> 01:40:48,800
Speaker 2: See, I know everyone's long complaining about the pace, and

2277
01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:50,960
Speaker 2: then the Turkey era the boxing cards have gotten even

2278
01:40:51,000 --> 01:40:54,560
Speaker 2: longer with ridiculous extended pace. The zone is very I

2279
01:40:54,600 --> 01:40:56,479
Speaker 2: mean it showtime. You step some long pay per views too,

2280
01:40:56,880 --> 01:40:58,519
Speaker 2: But if we could just condense it, we don't need

2281
01:40:58,720 --> 01:41:00,760
Speaker 2: all the preview content people like like people always say,

2282
01:41:00,760 --> 01:41:02,599
Speaker 2: if I bought the pay per viewerad, you know you're

2283
01:41:02,640 --> 01:41:04,879
Speaker 2: not selling the pay per view to me. Now, imagine

2284
01:41:04,920 --> 01:41:07,000
Speaker 2: if they just tightened all these shows and his own

2285
01:41:07,040 --> 01:41:09,280
Speaker 2: didn't need three separate announced teams in various parts of

2286
01:41:09,280 --> 01:41:11,080
Speaker 2: the arena, and we just cut to the core of it.

2287
01:41:11,720 --> 01:41:13,920
Speaker 2: Do you think over time that creates more fans and

2288
01:41:13,960 --> 01:41:16,360
Speaker 2: holds them or is it more just an annoying preference

2289
01:41:16,400 --> 01:41:17,759
Speaker 2: for us who watch everything anyway.

2290
01:41:17,840 --> 01:41:21,360
Speaker 1: I think there are times to lengthen the broadcast. I

2291
01:41:21,479 --> 01:41:24,000
Speaker 1: think that people do it way too often. I tend

2292
01:41:24,080 --> 01:41:28,639
Speaker 1: to think, in general not always less is more, Less

2293
01:41:28,720 --> 01:41:31,320
Speaker 1: is more. Okay, give us a quality product at a

2294
01:41:31,400 --> 01:41:34,240
Speaker 1: good pace and do that consistently, and then when you

2295
01:41:34,320 --> 01:41:36,680
Speaker 1: finally get a really big one and you want to

2296
01:41:36,760 --> 01:41:38,519
Speaker 1: really lean into it, then you can.

2297
01:41:38,720 --> 01:41:40,519
Speaker 2: Is that why you were always against two hour morning

2298
01:41:40,560 --> 01:41:42,439
Speaker 2: combats or just because at that point we're three days

2299
01:41:42,439 --> 01:41:43,960
Speaker 2: a week so you're automatically over.

2300
01:41:44,280 --> 01:41:46,320
Speaker 1: I definitely feel like it's not that I was against

2301
01:41:46,320 --> 01:41:49,200
Speaker 1: two hour morning combats as a rule. I was against

2302
01:41:49,240 --> 01:41:51,240
Speaker 1: it because it was longer than it needed to be

2303
01:41:51,439 --> 01:41:54,160
Speaker 1: given the original format. But you know, here we are the.

2304
01:41:54,160 --> 01:41:54,800
Speaker 2: People need us.

2305
01:41:55,520 --> 01:41:56,679
Speaker 1: I think we need the paycheck.

2306
01:41:57,920 --> 01:41:59,400
Speaker 2: You're just saying I think we need them, and you

2307
01:41:59,439 --> 01:41:59,720
Speaker 2: don't know.

2308
01:42:00,240 --> 01:42:01,800
Speaker 1: We need them too. But I also need the two

2309
01:42:01,840 --> 01:42:02,559
Speaker 1: keys bracelests.

2310
01:42:03,479 --> 01:42:05,200
Speaker 2: Yeah soon, all right, let's go to our house.

2311
01:42:05,439 --> 01:42:06,640
Speaker 1: Are you doing Halloween this year?

2312
01:42:07,560 --> 01:42:09,439
Speaker 2: I haven't even talked about it with my wife, nor

2313
01:42:09,520 --> 01:42:11,920
Speaker 2: do I know. If I'm home, then see what's going on.

2314
01:42:11,960 --> 01:42:13,519
Speaker 2: I don't have any schedule. I don't have any fights

2315
01:42:13,560 --> 01:42:13,840
Speaker 2: on the book.

2316
01:42:13,880 --> 01:42:13,960
Speaker 5: Now.

2317
01:42:14,120 --> 01:42:16,160
Speaker 2: My daughter's five, so this is like, yeah, I mean

2318
01:42:16,200 --> 01:42:17,960
Speaker 2: my kids are sixteen. There they have their own plans.

2319
01:42:18,040 --> 01:42:20,439
Speaker 2: I always tell my wife, let's just close the house

2320
01:42:20,479 --> 01:42:22,080
Speaker 2: down and let's pull the curtain. She's like, no, you

2321
01:42:22,160 --> 01:42:23,840
Speaker 2: gotta be there. But then we get two kids. Anyway,

2322
01:42:23,920 --> 01:42:24,880
Speaker 2: so two or three kids.

2323
01:42:25,280 --> 01:42:27,000
Speaker 1: Dude, I had an asshole neighbor who would turn his

2324
01:42:27,040 --> 01:42:29,760
Speaker 1: sprinklers on and all his lights off. Are you that motherfucker?

2325
01:42:29,920 --> 01:42:31,840
Speaker 2: No, I just had the asshole neighbors who would give

2326
01:42:31,880 --> 01:42:35,120
Speaker 2: you wooden Nichols, or would give you fruit like.

2327
01:42:35,200 --> 01:42:36,000
Speaker 1: My dad Roy Rogers.

2328
01:42:36,320 --> 01:42:38,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, the popcorn balls, which I think is low class.

2329
01:42:38,439 --> 01:42:40,920
Speaker 2: My wife stands by it as being solid. Popcorn balls

2330
01:42:40,960 --> 01:42:42,040
Speaker 2: are so stale and disgusting.

2331
01:42:42,120 --> 01:42:44,679
Speaker 1: You're okay, it's a it's a it's a bottom tier

2332
01:42:45,080 --> 01:42:45,320
Speaker 1: kind of.

2333
01:42:45,360 --> 01:42:47,439
Speaker 2: Old ladies will give you Mary Jane's, and you know,

2334
01:42:47,640 --> 01:42:50,760
Speaker 2: it's a Mary jane that really hard butterscotch candy that like,

2335
01:42:51,120 --> 01:42:52,880
Speaker 2: by the end of it, it tastes good, but you

2336
01:42:52,960 --> 01:42:54,800
Speaker 2: break all your teeth to get there. Yeah.

2337
01:42:54,840 --> 01:42:56,880
Speaker 1: No, Well, two Key is going to go with Princess

2338
01:42:56,960 --> 01:42:58,320
Speaker 1: Peach from Mario.

2339
01:42:58,800 --> 01:43:01,200
Speaker 2: And I have to go as you look more like

2340
01:43:01,320 --> 01:43:02,400
Speaker 2: Luigi in that jacket.

2341
01:43:02,560 --> 01:43:04,280
Speaker 1: I do look more like Luigi, but I have a

2342
01:43:04,360 --> 01:43:06,880
Speaker 1: Mario okay thing? And then I don't know what my

2343
01:43:06,920 --> 01:43:08,360
Speaker 1: wife and dogg Oh, you.

2344
01:43:08,360 --> 01:43:10,000
Speaker 2: Guys are really going all out. I mean, you're being

2345
01:43:10,000 --> 01:43:10,400
Speaker 2: a good dad.

2346
01:43:10,840 --> 01:43:11,800
Speaker 1: I'm trying to be a good dad.

2347
01:43:12,040 --> 01:43:12,200
Speaker 5: You go.

2348
01:43:12,560 --> 01:43:15,120
Speaker 2: I appreciate that. Let's go to our next segment, which

2349
01:43:15,120 --> 01:43:18,479
Speaker 2: is giving the fans voice, and that's called d MS

2350
01:43:18,720 --> 01:43:19,760
Speaker 2: from Donks.

2351
01:43:22,760 --> 01:43:26,080
Speaker 1: Every time. Every time, I literally don't even have any

2352
01:43:26,160 --> 01:43:26,519
Speaker 1: interest in.

2353
01:43:26,560 --> 01:43:28,240
Speaker 2: Talking about it, but neither does the audience.

2354
01:43:28,320 --> 01:43:30,599
Speaker 1: By the way, every time I say the word pornography BC,

2355
01:43:31,040 --> 01:43:31,679
Speaker 1: it's really.

2356
01:43:31,720 --> 01:43:34,280
Speaker 2: I think we're past that. Look, okay, we gave you

2357
01:43:34,280 --> 01:43:36,840
Speaker 2: the opportunity Sunday night to jump on social media on

2358
01:43:37,360 --> 01:43:39,680
Speaker 2: x and IG at Morning Combat. So here are your

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01:43:39,760 --> 01:43:44,599
Speaker 2: questions Number one from Z dot Firm dot e SP

2360
01:43:45,000 --> 01:43:47,240
Speaker 2: or Z dot f r M. Not like anyone cares

2361
01:43:47,360 --> 01:43:49,719
Speaker 2: who poses a bigger threat to John Jones and Ghanu

2362
01:43:49,920 --> 01:43:55,080
Speaker 2: or aspinall because it definitely isn't that prehistoric fossil step dude.

2363
01:43:55,120 --> 01:43:57,000
Speaker 2: So I hope Steve pe gets in the best shape

2364
01:43:57,040 --> 01:43:58,840
Speaker 2: of his life and knocks John out. I'm telling you

2365
01:43:59,400 --> 01:44:01,840
Speaker 2: winning would be so funny because I hate John Jones

2366
01:44:01,920 --> 01:44:03,120
Speaker 2: or anything like that, but I think it would be

2367
01:44:03,160 --> 01:44:05,559
Speaker 2: funny that UFC waited this long and stretched it out,

2368
01:44:05,600 --> 01:44:07,559
Speaker 2: and what if it flips on them in a good

2369
01:44:07,600 --> 01:44:10,040
Speaker 2: old firefighters Steep pay to take all of our bullshit

2370
01:44:10,479 --> 01:44:10,880
Speaker 2: on these.

2371
01:44:10,880 --> 01:44:13,800
Speaker 1: Podcasts from Steepe is catching a lot of strays because

2372
01:44:13,800 --> 01:44:15,720
Speaker 1: it's not the fight to make, and so people are

2373
01:44:15,760 --> 01:44:16,960
Speaker 1: going a little bit overboard with it.

2374
01:44:17,200 --> 01:44:19,080
Speaker 2: Imagine if he just cracks a big right.

2375
01:44:19,479 --> 01:44:22,320
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I'm telling you, nothing would be funnier

2376
01:44:22,400 --> 01:44:24,920
Speaker 1: than Steve. It would be awesome. If Steve a wins,

2377
01:44:24,920 --> 01:44:27,639
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened next. They'd redo it. They'd

2378
01:44:27,680 --> 01:44:30,360
Speaker 1: redo it. They had no fucking way. They no fucking

2379
01:44:30,520 --> 01:44:31,679
Speaker 1: way on earth.

2380
01:44:31,720 --> 01:44:34,000
Speaker 2: Okay, and then John retires if he wins, the remiss you.

2381
01:44:34,920 --> 01:44:37,680
Speaker 1: That's right, no fucking way on dude. If you get

2382
01:44:37,880 --> 01:44:40,200
Speaker 1: if you get wrecked by a forty two year old

2383
01:44:40,600 --> 01:44:43,240
Speaker 1: off for three years, hasn't won in five step amyojic,

2384
01:44:44,240 --> 01:44:46,760
Speaker 1: There's no way John's retiring on That not gonna happen.

2385
01:44:46,840 --> 01:44:48,400
Speaker 1: And you're not gonna beat You're not gonna be fucking

2386
01:44:48,439 --> 01:44:49,840
Speaker 1: Tom Aspall if you can't beat that guy.

2387
01:44:50,120 --> 01:44:52,200
Speaker 2: Tom keeps losing all of these scenarios, including the one

2388
01:44:52,240 --> 01:44:53,880
Speaker 2: I want where Poton just cuts the line and we

2389
01:44:53,960 --> 01:44:54,679
Speaker 2: do some ridiculous.

2390
01:44:54,680 --> 01:44:56,640
Speaker 1: I'm okay with that. But you're asking who who has

2391
01:44:56,680 --> 01:44:57,200
Speaker 1: a better show?

2392
01:44:57,280 --> 01:44:59,200
Speaker 2: Who is a bigger threat to John? Is it Francis

2393
01:44:59,320 --> 01:44:59,639
Speaker 2: or Tom?

2394
01:44:59,680 --> 01:45:02,200
Speaker 1: I think it's actually Francis. I think that Tom is

2395
01:45:02,280 --> 01:45:05,400
Speaker 1: a is a threat, but there's so much unknown about him,

2396
01:45:05,840 --> 01:45:08,800
Speaker 1: especially if John is clever. John's clever and if the

2397
01:45:08,840 --> 01:45:11,040
Speaker 1: fight needs to go along for John's benefit, he can

2398
01:45:11,120 --> 01:45:14,400
Speaker 1: make it that way. And whereas Francis has Dude, we've

2399
01:45:14,439 --> 01:45:18,200
Speaker 1: seen Francis in five round fights. Dude, Tom is untested

2400
01:45:18,240 --> 01:45:20,799
Speaker 1: against elite competition, passed round two period.

2401
01:45:20,960 --> 01:45:24,800
Speaker 2: Could John who took down DC? Could John take down

2402
01:45:24,840 --> 01:45:26,040
Speaker 2: Francis at at will?

2403
01:45:27,160 --> 01:45:29,040
Speaker 1: I think at his peak he could have. I don't

2404
01:45:29,080 --> 01:45:30,800
Speaker 1: know what current state John Jones can do.

2405
01:45:30,920 --> 01:45:33,599
Speaker 2: Oh dude, have you I'm not making this sublong long island. Look.

2406
01:45:33,600 --> 01:45:35,840
Speaker 2: Have you seen shirtless John Jones recently? Look just not

2407
01:45:36,000 --> 01:45:37,280
Speaker 2: fat like he was against Gone.

2408
01:45:37,280 --> 01:45:39,679
Speaker 1: I don't know, he looks jacked. I saw that he looks.

2409
01:45:39,840 --> 01:45:41,799
Speaker 2: Now's Jack's rackets. Did you see that picture?

2410
01:45:41,920 --> 01:45:45,519
Speaker 1: Rackett's back looks like a fucking turtle back zilla. Yes,

2411
01:45:45,720 --> 01:45:49,000
Speaker 1: he looks like So I'll say this, we don't know,

2412
01:45:49,120 --> 01:45:51,120
Speaker 1: because we don't know much about John because he doesn't

2413
01:45:51,120 --> 01:45:51,759
Speaker 1: fucking compete.

2414
01:45:51,760 --> 01:45:53,720
Speaker 2: He fought for like twenty two seconds at heavyway. I

2415
01:45:53,800 --> 01:45:54,960
Speaker 2: mean that's not his fault.

2416
01:45:55,200 --> 01:45:57,479
Speaker 1: God, let me switch dances into the guy who's gonna

2417
01:45:57,520 --> 01:45:59,840
Speaker 1: take me down? Yeah, great, great, great, great decision there.

2418
01:46:00,040 --> 01:46:02,479
Speaker 2: Let's go over to Mohia bro Is this one of

2419
01:46:02,560 --> 01:46:06,400
Speaker 2: the best MMA comeback stories? What other good MMA comeback

2420
01:46:06,439 --> 01:46:08,720
Speaker 2: stories come to mind? So he's obviously referencing Francis. We

2421
01:46:08,800 --> 01:46:10,719
Speaker 2: already talked about how good of a comeback story there.

2422
01:46:10,720 --> 01:46:13,000
Speaker 1: Is coming back from all those injuries and all those

2423
01:46:13,080 --> 01:46:16,120
Speaker 1: knee surgeries. It's not the same, but for a professional

2424
01:46:16,200 --> 01:46:16,600
Speaker 1: career that.

2425
01:46:16,640 --> 01:46:18,960
Speaker 2: Was I didn't think he beat TJ. But but when

2426
01:46:19,000 --> 01:46:20,519
Speaker 2: he beat TJ, I was like, oh my god, this

2427
01:46:20,600 --> 01:46:22,400
Speaker 2: guy came back and did all the way back.

2428
01:46:22,280 --> 01:46:25,040
Speaker 1: And his interviews afterwards saying things like it wasn't even

2429
01:46:25,040 --> 01:46:26,679
Speaker 1: about the belt. I don't even care about the belt.

2430
01:46:26,720 --> 01:46:28,360
Speaker 1: It was about what I could prove to myself and

2431
01:46:28,439 --> 01:46:31,160
Speaker 1: what I could show, And he had the right mentality

2432
01:46:31,240 --> 01:46:33,559
Speaker 1: the whole time. That was a big one. St Perre

2433
01:46:33,640 --> 01:46:35,160
Speaker 1: coming back is a little bit of a difference with.

2434
01:46:35,200 --> 01:46:36,760
Speaker 2: The age and the moving up and weigh one hundred

2435
01:46:36,760 --> 01:46:38,439
Speaker 2: percent that's Long Island.

2436
01:46:38,439 --> 01:46:39,599
Speaker 1: Look what are we forgetting here?

2437
01:46:40,400 --> 01:46:44,639
Speaker 2: Bronx just turning his career overall, turning it around.

2438
01:46:44,680 --> 01:46:47,280
Speaker 1: I'm talking about like one big comeback performance.

2439
01:46:46,960 --> 01:46:48,880
Speaker 2: Frank Mier from the Motorcycle big one.

2440
01:46:48,880 --> 01:46:51,760
Speaker 1: Yes, because he had some shitty performances along the way,

2441
01:46:52,360 --> 01:46:54,760
Speaker 1: and then it was against Anthony hardonk where he really

2442
01:46:54,840 --> 01:46:55,320
Speaker 1: began to turn.

2443
01:46:55,479 --> 01:46:58,000
Speaker 2: I mean, just Randy rebuilding himself at heavyweight against Sylvia.

2444
01:46:58,160 --> 01:47:00,200
Speaker 1: Against Sylvia is another big one like that one.

2445
01:47:00,280 --> 01:47:02,040
Speaker 2: If the Gras come back. Man, I love Randy. I

2446
01:47:02,080 --> 01:47:04,600
Speaker 2: wish the UFC loved them too. His story needs to

2447
01:47:04,640 --> 01:47:07,880
Speaker 2: be told. You know what, if anybody's story outside of

2448
01:47:07,920 --> 01:47:08,960
Speaker 2: Francis deserves.

2449
01:47:08,680 --> 01:47:10,599
Speaker 1: A movie, give me Randy yep?

2450
01:47:11,600 --> 01:47:13,200
Speaker 2: Or did he he was on the Jan six stair

2451
01:47:13,240 --> 01:47:14,320
Speaker 2: steps staircase?

2452
01:47:14,320 --> 01:47:16,080
Speaker 1: I think that. I don't think he was on the steps.

2453
01:47:16,120 --> 01:47:18,200
Speaker 1: I think he was six. Yeah, I think he's Jan

2454
01:47:18,280 --> 01:47:19,880
Speaker 1: six adjacent. You know what I mean?

2455
01:47:20,200 --> 01:47:23,160
Speaker 2: What do you make about his uh the editorial he

2456
01:47:23,240 --> 01:47:27,000
Speaker 2: did on Twitter about grass on the field. I mean,

2457
01:47:27,000 --> 01:47:29,400
Speaker 2: should it's not whether I I don't want to know

2458
01:47:29,439 --> 01:47:31,519
Speaker 2: what you prefer because I don't really that's a little

2459
01:47:31,560 --> 01:47:33,840
Speaker 2: gross to me. I want to know, like, did he

2460
01:47:34,080 --> 01:47:35,800
Speaker 2: just not realize the rest of the world was going

2461
01:47:35,880 --> 01:47:37,240
Speaker 2: to see that, or in his mind? Is that like

2462
01:47:37,240 --> 01:47:38,280
Speaker 2: an acceptable.

2463
01:47:37,840 --> 01:47:41,360
Speaker 1: Conversation unrestrained age where if you're the kind of person

2464
01:47:41,520 --> 01:47:43,920
Speaker 1: to say outrageous things, this is a good time for you.

2465
01:47:44,160 --> 01:47:46,439
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, but Randy doesn't do that normally.

2466
01:47:47,040 --> 01:47:49,599
Speaker 1: This is just the whole an age where you can

2467
01:47:49,760 --> 01:47:51,880
Speaker 1: just say that stuff now and there's really very little

2468
01:47:52,120 --> 01:47:53,800
Speaker 1: consequence to it, which could be good or bad depending

2469
01:47:53,840 --> 01:47:54,479
Speaker 1: on your perspective.

2470
01:47:55,080 --> 01:47:59,639
Speaker 2: All right, man, No, I do you think if Rowsey

2471
01:47:59,640 --> 01:48:02,920
Speaker 2: would have come back under any circumstances since the Amanda fight,

2472
01:48:02,960 --> 01:48:03,840
Speaker 2: it would have gone toarly?

2473
01:48:06,880 --> 01:48:08,439
Speaker 1: Probably? Probably?

2474
01:48:08,520 --> 01:48:11,120
Speaker 2: I think she's Do you think what she's saying about

2475
01:48:11,160 --> 01:48:12,800
Speaker 2: about making cussions is real?

2476
01:48:12,840 --> 01:48:14,960
Speaker 1: Like she gets hit once, she's A comeback story for

2477
01:48:15,040 --> 01:48:20,840
Speaker 1: her would be gigantic, gigantic, But I honestly think that

2478
01:48:21,120 --> 01:48:23,640
Speaker 1: she's And I'm not trying to be disparaging. I am not.

2479
01:48:24,320 --> 01:48:26,960
Speaker 2: She's cooked and Caine, you you don't see any circumstance

2480
01:48:27,040 --> 01:48:27,880
Speaker 2: for Cane fights again or.

2481
01:48:27,840 --> 01:48:30,799
Speaker 1: Should I think he could depending on what is available

2482
01:48:30,840 --> 01:48:33,360
Speaker 1: to him and what like what kind of sentencing. It

2483
01:48:33,520 --> 01:48:36,080
Speaker 1: seems to me I don't know how long his sentence

2484
01:48:36,120 --> 01:48:38,959
Speaker 1: will be but it seems to me like a foregone conclusion.

2485
01:48:39,040 --> 01:48:41,200
Speaker 1: He will go to jail for some amount of prison,

2486
01:48:41,280 --> 01:48:42,920
Speaker 1: I should say, for some amount of time.

2487
01:48:43,000 --> 01:48:44,479
Speaker 2: She came out jack days.

2488
01:48:45,800 --> 01:48:47,240
Speaker 1: Did you ever hear what Floyd Mayweather did?

2489
01:48:47,320 --> 01:48:49,600
Speaker 2: Oh dude, here, I saw what he looked like. We

2490
01:48:49,680 --> 01:48:51,240
Speaker 2: had like he had let his hair grow out, I know,

2491
01:48:51,280 --> 01:48:52,240
Speaker 2: But did you hear what he is?

2492
01:48:52,640 --> 01:48:54,680
Speaker 1: No more than that? So what he would do was

2493
01:48:54,760 --> 01:48:59,599
Speaker 1: he would assign each like so for clubs, for diamonds whatever.

2494
01:49:00,040 --> 01:49:02,080
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, how he would not do the workout, and

2495
01:49:02,120 --> 01:49:04,000
Speaker 1: then he would just go through a deck. I tried

2496
01:49:04,080 --> 01:49:07,080
Speaker 1: it once. It's fucking hard as shit. Okay, what do

2497
01:49:07,120 --> 01:49:09,080
Speaker 1: you say he did? He would do pushups and we

2498
01:49:09,120 --> 01:49:10,800
Speaker 1: would do three decks a day.

2499
01:49:10,920 --> 01:49:13,479
Speaker 2: Yes, but I think he said specifically he did it

2500
01:49:13,520 --> 01:49:15,360
Speaker 2: three hundred or one hundred and fifty push ups in

2501
01:49:15,400 --> 01:49:15,600
Speaker 2: a row.

2502
01:49:15,680 --> 01:49:17,280
Speaker 1: So I don't believe that I would want to see that.

2503
01:49:17,280 --> 01:49:20,080
Speaker 1: I've seen guys do seventy plus and ag and these

2504
01:49:20,080 --> 01:49:22,000
Speaker 1: were some of the most jack Motherfuckers've ever seen in

2505
01:49:22,040 --> 01:49:22,840
Speaker 1: my life. So I just don't know.

2506
01:49:23,040 --> 01:49:24,720
Speaker 2: He was so big when he got there.

2507
01:49:24,840 --> 01:49:27,439
Speaker 1: He was definitely there for like two months, right, But

2508
01:49:27,680 --> 01:49:30,679
Speaker 1: if you've never done the Floyd Mayweather Deck of Cards, workout.

2509
01:49:31,120 --> 01:49:35,160
Speaker 1: Just pick what clubs is squats, diamonds are push ups,

2510
01:49:35,240 --> 01:49:38,519
Speaker 1: fucking whatever, hearts are pull ups, whatever it is, and

2511
01:49:38,600 --> 01:49:41,240
Speaker 1: then do a whole deck of cards. It will fuck

2512
01:49:41,320 --> 01:49:41,800
Speaker 1: your shit up.

2513
01:49:41,840 --> 01:49:42,040
Speaker 8: Frus.

2514
01:49:42,320 --> 01:49:44,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, we used to play drinking games like that too.

2515
01:49:44,040 --> 01:49:47,080
Speaker 2: It always f's yours up for sure. Let's hear from

2516
01:49:47,400 --> 01:49:49,960
Speaker 2: World's Worst hero, who says, if you had to create

2517
01:49:50,080 --> 01:49:54,000
Speaker 2: an all Brazil team with active MMA fighters through MMA

2518
01:49:54,120 --> 01:49:57,599
Speaker 2: in each weight cluss, who are you donks choosing.

2519
01:49:58,360 --> 01:50:01,679
Speaker 1: A Brazil team? What? I don't understand the questions throughout

2520
01:50:01,800 --> 01:50:03,000
Speaker 1: Emma and each weight cloud.

2521
01:50:03,040 --> 01:50:05,200
Speaker 2: Okay, so like who's your all time we're talking about

2522
01:50:05,200 --> 01:50:05,439
Speaker 2: all time?

2523
01:50:05,520 --> 01:50:08,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, so who's your top all time Brazilian heavyweight? It's

2524
01:50:08,160 --> 01:50:11,160
Speaker 1: got to be no Gharra? Right, am I forgetting It's

2525
01:50:11,160 --> 01:50:12,559
Speaker 1: gotta be no Garra? Yeah?

2526
01:50:12,600 --> 01:50:14,240
Speaker 2: I mean you might. I mean, how far away down

2527
01:50:14,280 --> 01:50:16,639
Speaker 2: do you have to go before you get big foot silver? There?

2528
01:50:17,800 --> 01:50:19,720
Speaker 1: No, Garro had a much better career than I'm not.

2529
01:50:20,360 --> 01:50:22,040
Speaker 2: Wasn't making that argument. I'm saying how far down do

2530
01:50:22,080 --> 01:50:22,919
Speaker 2: you have to go before.

2531
01:50:22,720 --> 01:50:25,400
Speaker 1: The big wins? I mean that went over over em

2532
01:50:25,560 --> 01:50:26,560
Speaker 1: was big whatever.

2533
01:50:26,520 --> 01:50:28,479
Speaker 9: Dude, Oh had a run, he had a big foot

2534
01:50:28,520 --> 01:50:30,960
Speaker 9: silver beat Fator and Overary and did he fight for

2535
01:50:31,040 --> 01:50:33,160
Speaker 9: some form of the title twice he stopped him both. Yes,

2536
01:50:33,240 --> 01:50:39,120
Speaker 9: he fought, came camee demolished him. But yes, light heavyweight.

2537
01:50:41,280 --> 01:50:47,320
Speaker 1: Vanderp there. I mean, you know bral lover to Sha

2538
01:50:47,439 --> 01:50:50,559
Speaker 1: a all time Brazilians a light heavyweight.

2539
01:50:50,560 --> 01:50:51,559
Speaker 2: I'm trying to Jerio.

2540
01:50:52,960 --> 01:50:55,720
Speaker 1: Yes, little Nagolo, he wasn't right in his brother's tails. Yeah,

2541
01:50:57,040 --> 01:50:59,880
Speaker 1: you could throw in the to before you throw in there.

2542
01:51:00,720 --> 01:51:04,200
Speaker 1: Let's see at a shout out at middleweight. It's obviously

2543
01:51:04,640 --> 01:51:07,880
Speaker 1: uh Amerson Silva cho Gun by the way, But also,

2544
01:51:07,920 --> 01:51:10,800
Speaker 1: don't forget showguns. There was the Showgun was two five.

2545
01:51:10,880 --> 01:51:11,720
Speaker 1: Chogun was two o five.

2546
01:51:11,800 --> 01:51:12,439
Speaker 2: That's right, That's right.

2547
01:51:12,439 --> 01:51:14,320
Speaker 1: His brother Ninja was one. That's right.

2548
01:51:14,560 --> 01:51:17,400
Speaker 2: I was thinking Dan Henderson was flowing be Also.

2549
01:51:17,320 --> 01:51:20,120
Speaker 1: Don't forget inside people. This is the most slept on talent.

2550
01:51:20,439 --> 01:51:21,720
Speaker 1: He wants to be the most slept on going.

2551
01:51:21,960 --> 01:51:22,000
Speaker 5: No.

2552
01:51:22,040 --> 01:51:24,720
Speaker 2: Wait, Chowgun is floating between two divisions, right, yeah, but I.

2553
01:51:24,720 --> 01:51:27,200
Speaker 1: Mean really, I mean his best work is two o

2554
01:51:27,400 --> 01:51:30,920
Speaker 1: five by a million, without yeah, without question. Uh. Marilla

2555
01:51:30,960 --> 01:51:33,479
Speaker 1: Bustamante Marilla Bustamante. If you never saw him fight, he

2556
01:51:33,560 --> 01:51:36,000
Speaker 1: was a former middleweight champion in UFC. Very good fighter

2557
01:51:36,400 --> 01:51:38,280
Speaker 1: at welter weight. I'm trying to think who who's the

2558
01:51:38,320 --> 01:51:41,880
Speaker 1: best Brazilian ever at welterweight. That's a tough one.

2559
01:51:41,920 --> 01:51:43,840
Speaker 2: Besides Michelle Padeda before moving up.

2560
01:51:44,720 --> 01:51:46,240
Speaker 1: I don't know the answer to that one off the

2561
01:51:46,280 --> 01:51:49,040
Speaker 1: top of my head. That's a tough one. Uh, Charles

2562
01:51:49,160 --> 01:51:51,080
Speaker 1: Lavera one fifty five would be a good choice.

2563
01:51:51,120 --> 01:51:54,320
Speaker 2: You could go with don't forget about Jose Aldo at

2564
01:51:54,360 --> 01:51:57,280
Speaker 2: one forty five, and then don't forget about Hennon Burrow

2565
01:51:57,360 --> 01:51:57,639
Speaker 2: at one.

2566
01:51:57,640 --> 01:52:00,400
Speaker 1: Thirty one thirty five, and then flywaight, you don't forget

2567
01:52:00,400 --> 01:52:05,479
Speaker 1: about r Dad Fifa May you could go with, and

2568
01:52:05,560 --> 01:52:08,720
Speaker 1: then at flyway, who's the best Brazilian Everekeno Nogara You

2569
01:52:08,760 --> 01:52:09,799
Speaker 1: could go Pokeno Noghera.

2570
01:52:10,000 --> 01:52:12,760
Speaker 2: Well, I also like that guy for Garedo to Figaredo.

2571
01:52:13,120 --> 01:52:16,000
Speaker 1: Uh, Pantojia, pantoj just put to get a little bit

2572
01:52:16,000 --> 01:52:16,400
Speaker 1: of a run here.

2573
01:52:16,439 --> 01:52:19,320
Speaker 2: And then we got to add Cyborg, Amanda.

2574
01:52:19,080 --> 01:52:21,760
Speaker 1: Cyborg, Dude, they've had the brazil has the two best

2575
01:52:21,800 --> 01:52:25,439
Speaker 1: women's fighters ever by a by a considerable distance. Who

2576
01:52:25,479 --> 01:52:28,240
Speaker 1: are we forgetting anywhere in that list? Long Island, Luke, this.

2577
01:52:28,320 --> 01:52:31,120
Speaker 4: Became I was trying to think of Brazilian ever strawweights

2578
01:52:31,200 --> 01:52:32,160
Speaker 4: right now, I'm kind of blank.

2579
01:52:32,200 --> 01:52:34,679
Speaker 1: I bet you were, because we were going through the women.

2580
01:52:34,720 --> 01:52:39,439
Speaker 1: You said Claudia, she was a great strawete. He was

2581
01:52:39,520 --> 01:52:41,479
Speaker 1: ranked number two for like ever champion.

2582
01:52:41,920 --> 01:52:43,120
Speaker 2: No, but she fought for the belt.

2583
01:52:43,680 --> 01:52:46,920
Speaker 1: Okay, I mean most of the people we've mentioned have

2584
01:52:47,000 --> 01:52:47,559
Speaker 1: been championed.

2585
01:52:47,800 --> 01:52:49,599
Speaker 2: Okay. Then Jessica and Rage was just going to say,

2586
01:52:50,240 --> 01:52:50,839
Speaker 2: and ROGI.

2587
01:52:50,680 --> 01:52:53,160
Speaker 1: Can put up in that list. Yeah, dude, Brazil dominates,

2588
01:52:53,200 --> 01:52:55,760
Speaker 1: like they fucking dominate. They're great, They're great.

2589
01:52:56,000 --> 01:52:59,880
Speaker 2: Finally, from Mporter four forty, who are five guests you'd

2590
01:52:59,920 --> 01:53:03,439
Speaker 2: like to have on the RSD casting couch into twenty

2591
01:53:03,520 --> 01:53:05,720
Speaker 2: twenty five? Matt Snyder thumb up or thumb down? Will

2592
01:53:05,720 --> 01:53:08,519
Speaker 2: we have an RSD couch in the calendar year of

2593
01:53:08,560 --> 01:53:11,040
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five? Oh he's on the SPA he says yes,

2594
01:53:11,080 --> 01:53:14,240
Speaker 2: he says two thumbs up. Yes he did. So if

2595
01:53:14,560 --> 01:53:17,200
Speaker 2: RSD does make a return next year like we thought

2596
01:53:17,240 --> 01:53:18,800
Speaker 2: it wouldn't in our hoping, our push, I mean, look,

2597
01:53:18,800 --> 01:53:20,640
Speaker 2: we're eventually going to get our our own studio and

2598
01:53:20,640 --> 01:53:21,759
Speaker 2: to have that kind of stuff happening.

2599
01:53:21,880 --> 01:53:22,200
Speaker 1: I hope.

2600
01:53:22,920 --> 01:53:25,439
Speaker 2: Who are who are five guests? We've had a gap

2601
01:53:25,520 --> 01:53:27,400
Speaker 2: since we've done this, so who are five people that

2602
01:53:27,520 --> 01:53:29,160
Speaker 2: we would love to have on the couch?

2603
01:53:29,320 --> 01:53:31,599
Speaker 1: Besides you want to Asa Kira?

2604
01:53:32,160 --> 01:53:32,840
Speaker 2: I mean for real?

2605
01:53:32,880 --> 01:53:38,360
Speaker 1: Here, okay, boy, I.

2606
01:53:38,360 --> 01:53:40,360
Speaker 2: Don't know if you want Ilia and you want to do.

2607
01:53:40,360 --> 01:53:40,840
Speaker 1: It so long?

2608
01:53:40,880 --> 01:53:44,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, I would love to get Izzy in

2609
01:53:44,680 --> 01:53:46,559
Speaker 2: that setting. I think it would be very interesting.

2610
01:53:47,080 --> 01:53:47,720
Speaker 1: That's a good one.

2611
01:53:48,560 --> 01:53:51,799
Speaker 2: Not Sean Strickland, probably not, probably skip.

2612
01:53:51,720 --> 01:53:55,000
Speaker 4: That one, raw Dog Roival, Yes, I do like Roval.

2613
01:53:55,120 --> 01:53:58,200
Speaker 1: Yes? Are there any women were forgetting? And I'm being

2614
01:53:58,240 --> 01:54:00,439
Speaker 1: not in a stupid sexualoy, but like a real way

2615
01:54:00,520 --> 01:54:02,439
Speaker 1: like we're naming forgetting?

2616
01:54:02,479 --> 01:54:02,679
Speaker 2: Many?

2617
01:54:02,800 --> 01:54:03,000
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2618
01:54:03,080 --> 01:54:05,080
Speaker 2: I mean Rose, I think would be so interesting.

2619
01:54:05,800 --> 01:54:10,160
Speaker 1: That's that's interested. It sounds like I'm I'm insulting them.

2620
01:54:10,160 --> 01:54:10,960
Speaker 1: I'm not insulting them.

2621
01:54:10,960 --> 01:54:18,680
Speaker 2: But for an RSD No, No, okay, Fiona Apple, Aleen Perez.

2622
01:54:21,120 --> 01:54:23,080
Speaker 1: She might work on the couch, but that's not really

2623
01:54:23,120 --> 01:54:23,519
Speaker 1: what I'm.

2624
01:54:23,360 --> 01:54:25,160
Speaker 2: Going to I wasn't going for that either. I just

2625
01:54:25,200 --> 01:54:26,080
Speaker 2: thought she'd have a good story.

2626
01:54:26,200 --> 01:54:27,439
Speaker 1: I just think that's how she like I mean, I

2627
01:54:27,479 --> 01:54:29,360
Speaker 1: think on her driver's license it's just a picture of

2628
01:54:30,439 --> 01:54:32,240
Speaker 1: like she just did her party trick she does in

2629
01:54:32,320 --> 01:54:37,000
Speaker 1: every room she goes into. I don't know the answer

2630
01:54:37,040 --> 01:54:38,320
Speaker 1: to that one. That's a tougher one.

2631
01:54:38,480 --> 01:54:40,640
Speaker 2: Okay. Is there any boxer that you'd love that from,

2632
01:54:40,720 --> 01:54:43,040
Speaker 2: like a person a personality like kayleb Plant he just

2633
01:54:43,120 --> 01:54:44,320
Speaker 2: was with andre Ward, I'd love.

2634
01:54:46,680 --> 01:54:49,200
Speaker 1: No, I could skip Roly you, he'd be perfect.

2635
01:54:49,480 --> 01:54:52,040
Speaker 2: I think we leave you at home, no give me

2636
01:54:52,120 --> 01:54:53,200
Speaker 2: and no Cito hosting.

2637
01:54:53,280 --> 01:54:55,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I'm not doing that ship. I mean, you know,

2638
01:54:55,080 --> 01:54:57,080
Speaker 1: he's gonna get there and just make some comments about

2639
01:54:57,640 --> 01:54:59,800
Speaker 1: God only knows who. You can get Bryce Mitchell if

2640
01:54:59,800 --> 01:55:05,080
Speaker 1: you want, I'm good on that. Thank you, though, boots us.

2641
01:55:05,120 --> 01:55:07,320
Speaker 1: If we could get him to relax, he's a tough interview.

2642
01:55:07,520 --> 01:55:10,200
Speaker 1: If he's not really relaxed, you know, doesn't want to

2643
01:55:10,240 --> 01:55:10,400
Speaker 1: do it.

2644
01:55:13,560 --> 01:55:13,960
Speaker 2: I don't know.

2645
01:55:14,200 --> 01:55:15,280
Speaker 1: I don't know about the rest of them.

2646
01:55:15,280 --> 01:55:17,400
Speaker 2: All right, Well, hopefull, let's get the couch first, then

2647
01:55:17,480 --> 01:55:19,920
Speaker 2: we'll you know, yeah, at the studio, get the couch.

2648
01:55:20,160 --> 01:55:21,320
Speaker 2: I got one more segment for you.

2649
01:55:21,520 --> 01:55:23,800
Speaker 4: Hold on, we skipped a DM, did we really?

2650
01:55:23,920 --> 01:55:24,440
Speaker 2: Can you play it?

2651
01:55:24,480 --> 01:55:24,680
Speaker 1: Please?

2652
01:55:24,720 --> 01:55:27,839
Speaker 2: I'm sorry about that. Excuse me, tellvin ky popa Hawaii's

2653
01:55:27,880 --> 01:55:28,480
Speaker 2: finest luke.

2654
01:55:28,560 --> 01:55:30,040
Speaker 1: Oh, did you see the World Series is going to

2655
01:55:30,040 --> 01:55:33,800
Speaker 1: be Dodgers funding? Dude, I saw the most amazing show

2656
01:55:34,160 --> 01:55:39,640
Speaker 1: shoheyo Tani. Stat ready for this, Yeah, ten percent on

2657
01:55:39,960 --> 01:55:44,040
Speaker 1: average of all of Japan watches his games at nine

2658
01:55:44,080 --> 01:55:47,680
Speaker 1: am in Japan, right, So for the last game it

2659
01:55:47,760 --> 01:55:50,760
Speaker 1: was nine am and nine am on a Saturday in Japan.

2660
01:55:51,120 --> 01:55:54,200
Speaker 1: Ten percent of the entire country was watching. I think

2661
01:55:54,240 --> 01:55:56,800
Speaker 1: it was like twelve million people and here it was

2662
01:55:56,880 --> 01:55:59,400
Speaker 1: seven million people, which is like, you know, obviously a lot,

2663
01:55:59,480 --> 01:56:01,760
Speaker 1: but not really the same kind of proportion. But that's

2664
01:56:01,800 --> 01:56:03,920
Speaker 1: not the most impressive part. The most impressive part was

2665
01:56:04,480 --> 01:56:07,080
Speaker 1: the Dodgers have all kinds of ad inventory around the

2666
01:56:07,120 --> 01:56:09,440
Speaker 1: stadium that they can sell, and they sold a bunch

2667
01:56:09,480 --> 01:56:10,440
Speaker 1: of Japanese companies.

2668
01:56:10,480 --> 01:56:11,000
Speaker 2: They sold out.

2669
01:56:11,080 --> 01:56:16,280
Speaker 1: Apparently, like immediately, the Japanese are so on top of

2670
01:56:16,520 --> 01:56:20,640
Speaker 1: the sho Hee Otani thing that they various Japanese companies

2671
01:56:20,800 --> 01:56:24,520
Speaker 1: are buying ad inventory at stadiums that have a lot

2672
01:56:24,600 --> 01:56:28,080
Speaker 1: of games with the fucking Dodgers smile when they're visiting

2673
01:56:28,480 --> 01:56:30,880
Speaker 1: as like the you know, the outside team because they

2674
01:56:30,880 --> 01:56:33,920
Speaker 1: couldn't even buy back in La at all. That's how

2675
01:56:34,000 --> 01:56:38,520
Speaker 1: popular that guy is. He's ridiculous. Also, Yankees fans, Are

2676
01:56:38,520 --> 01:56:41,600
Speaker 1: there any Yankees fans here? Yeah? Biggest, biggest pieces of

2677
01:56:41,640 --> 01:56:43,160
Speaker 1: shit on Now.

2678
01:56:43,200 --> 01:56:47,000
Speaker 2: This team is almost more likable than the normal maybe

2679
01:56:47,040 --> 01:56:48,840
Speaker 2: because they've been gone every time. The Yankees have been

2680
01:56:48,880 --> 01:56:51,440
Speaker 2: gone so long. I then go from hater to like,

2681
01:56:51,560 --> 01:56:53,680
Speaker 2: Like when they won it the last years of uh

2682
01:56:54,200 --> 01:56:55,960
Speaker 2: oh nine when they had the core fourth they were

2683
01:56:55,960 --> 01:56:57,560
Speaker 2: all old as ship. I was cheering from that year.

2684
01:56:57,640 --> 01:56:59,840
Speaker 1: Fuck the Yankees and their stupid fans, who are all

2685
01:57:00,080 --> 01:57:02,960
Speaker 1: grotesque humans, all of them, with the exception of Juan

2686
01:57:03,040 --> 01:57:05,480
Speaker 1: Soto former Washington National who heard it could.

2687
01:57:05,360 --> 01:57:08,520
Speaker 2: Be a met eventually, That's what I heard, So somebody because.

2688
01:57:08,320 --> 01:57:10,360
Speaker 1: The Yankees going to sign Soto even though he sent

2689
01:57:10,440 --> 01:57:11,360
Speaker 1: him to the World Series.

2690
01:57:11,400 --> 01:57:13,160
Speaker 4: When they win the World Series, they're definitely going to

2691
01:57:13,200 --> 01:57:13,720
Speaker 4: resign them.

2692
01:57:14,200 --> 01:57:15,840
Speaker 2: I mean, that big home run could have changed things.

2693
01:57:16,480 --> 01:57:18,360
Speaker 2: Who are you chair? Your chair from the Dodgers?

2694
01:57:18,440 --> 01:57:20,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Dodgers either. I was kind of one of

2695
01:57:20,680 --> 01:57:22,880
Speaker 1: those things where you just hope it's like a you know,

2696
01:57:22,960 --> 01:57:25,040
Speaker 1: at the end of Inglorious Baskets, you get shot from

2697
01:57:25,040 --> 01:57:25,760
Speaker 1: an elevated position.

2698
01:57:26,120 --> 01:57:28,160
Speaker 2: Did you see Bob Aram said he was inspired by

2699
01:57:29,280 --> 01:57:32,240
Speaker 2: how many Otani fans regularly fly to the US to

2700
01:57:32,280 --> 01:57:35,320
Speaker 2: see him. That that's why he's going to put a

2701
01:57:35,400 --> 01:57:37,400
Speaker 2: new way in trying to put him in like Tmobile

2702
01:57:37,440 --> 01:57:39,680
Speaker 2: arena for like a big one next year. And then

2703
01:57:39,800 --> 01:57:41,720
Speaker 2: they were also Dan Rayfil was also talking to him

2704
01:57:41,720 --> 01:57:45,840
Speaker 2: about the big Japanese super fight with bantamweight champ Juneto Nakatani,

2705
01:57:45,880 --> 01:57:49,040
Speaker 2: who's like entering pomp for pund rankings lately, and Bob

2706
01:57:49,080 --> 01:57:51,480
Speaker 2: said that that's a Tokyo Don't fight. And by the way,

2707
01:57:51,520 --> 01:57:53,280
Speaker 2: the only fights in Tokyo Doom history are the two

2708
01:57:53,320 --> 01:57:56,240
Speaker 2: from Tyson in eighty nine to ninety, including Buster Douglas

2709
01:57:56,520 --> 01:57:59,160
Speaker 2: and the recent a newe versus Luis s Nary fight.

2710
01:57:59,320 --> 01:58:01,320
Speaker 2: I don't watch an that's the only boxing in that

2711
01:58:01,440 --> 01:58:02,360
Speaker 2: stadium's history.

2712
01:58:02,400 --> 01:58:05,400
Speaker 1: That's insane. I don't watch enough baseball. How good are

2713
01:58:05,440 --> 01:58:08,040
Speaker 1: the Dodgers relative to the Yankees? Like, who's a better team?

2714
01:58:08,280 --> 01:58:10,400
Speaker 4: If I'm being honest, I've only really watched the playoffs,

2715
01:58:10,560 --> 01:58:13,160
Speaker 4: But yeah, Dodgers are like in the middle of a dynasty, right,

2716
01:58:13,200 --> 01:58:14,560
Speaker 4: they be a great padres team.

2717
01:58:14,680 --> 01:58:16,480
Speaker 1: Dude, I saw Otani when he came to DC he

2718
01:58:16,480 --> 01:58:20,000
Speaker 1: played the Nats. This motherfucker hit a single double trup. No,

2719
01:58:20,440 --> 01:58:21,720
Speaker 1: he missed one of the three. He didn't hit a

2720
01:58:21,720 --> 01:58:23,000
Speaker 1: single double one in trouble. He got two of the

2721
01:58:23,040 --> 01:58:27,800
Speaker 1: three and a fucking home run. Like he's ridiculous.

2722
01:58:27,800 --> 01:58:29,080
Speaker 2: All right, we gotta get through this ship because I

2723
01:58:29,080 --> 01:58:31,200
Speaker 2: gotta catch a bus. Luke, I'm gonna try the bus today.

2724
01:58:31,800 --> 01:58:32,680
Speaker 1: You're gonna catch the bus.

2725
01:58:32,760 --> 01:58:34,080
Speaker 2: I'm actually gonna try it today.

2726
01:58:34,520 --> 01:58:38,640
Speaker 1: From the you're gonna get a communicable disease.

2727
01:58:38,760 --> 01:58:41,120
Speaker 2: Well, I mean you should see my training experience, especially

2728
01:58:41,200 --> 01:58:43,320
Speaker 2: the change over in New Haven. It's it's it's dicey.

2729
01:58:43,480 --> 01:58:45,240
Speaker 2: Let's go over to have you seen this ship where

2730
01:58:45,240 --> 01:58:47,000
Speaker 2: I collect all the weird videos of the week and

2731
01:58:47,080 --> 01:58:48,600
Speaker 2: try to make Luke laugh. Let's watch it.

2732
01:58:57,120 --> 01:58:59,120
Speaker 1: Opus did not sound that good last time.

2733
01:58:59,120 --> 01:59:01,720
Speaker 2: Now, remember the Luke They always had weird commercials and

2734
01:59:01,760 --> 01:59:03,840
Speaker 2: stuff that you would never see today. Let's watch this

2735
01:59:03,920 --> 01:59:05,400
Speaker 2: one with ad Die eight lists.

2736
01:59:05,440 --> 01:59:07,400
Speaker 5: So the weight came off to help keep it off

2737
01:59:07,440 --> 01:59:10,520
Speaker 5: when I sometimes want things loaded with Galleries aids helps

2738
01:59:10,560 --> 01:59:14,160
Speaker 5: put me in control. I've tried fad diets, powder's pills.

2739
01:59:14,200 --> 01:59:16,120
Speaker 5: Still my weight's been up and down like a yo

2740
01:59:16,200 --> 01:59:18,560
Speaker 5: yo until the AIDS plan taught me how to take

2741
01:59:18,640 --> 01:59:20,080
Speaker 5: off weight and help keep it off.

2742
01:59:20,360 --> 01:59:22,160
Speaker 2: Let the AIDS plan teach you how to take off

2743
01:59:22,200 --> 01:59:23,360
Speaker 2: weight and help keep it off.

2744
01:59:23,680 --> 01:59:24,840
Speaker 1: Hind peanut butter aggs.

2745
01:59:28,440 --> 01:59:30,400
Speaker 2: Unfortunately say that last one.

2746
01:59:30,520 --> 01:59:32,200
Speaker 1: Try the peanut butter aggs. That got me.

2747
01:59:32,280 --> 01:59:34,040
Speaker 2: I have to say, you will lose weight with age.

2748
01:59:34,160 --> 01:59:37,320
Speaker 2: Yes to say, that's a morbid thought. Uh, Luke, do

2749
01:59:37,320 --> 01:59:39,360
Speaker 2: you ever wonder what it would be like if Titanic

2750
01:59:39,480 --> 01:59:44,280
Speaker 2: happened during gen Z times? Look at that closer right there?

2751
01:59:45,640 --> 01:59:49,240
Speaker 2: Got I'm cold. Yeah, I'm dead, but I'm happy.

2752
01:59:49,280 --> 01:59:51,320
Speaker 1: That's the difference, right, I wonder what flavor that is?

2753
01:59:51,560 --> 01:59:55,280
Speaker 2: Yeah? Luke. Brendan Shopp was in the news this week

2754
01:59:55,600 --> 01:59:59,880
Speaker 2: for challenging Nate Diaz's manhood after DS sent him to hell, saying, Brent,

2755
02:00:00,120 --> 02:00:02,600
Speaker 2: the big old pussy shop we got ooh, buddy, I'll

2756
02:00:02,640 --> 02:00:04,800
Speaker 2: probably got I probably got twenty pounds on you, so

2757
02:00:05,280 --> 02:00:07,320
Speaker 2: not too far off. I'll snap your neck. Blah blah blah.

2758
02:00:07,320 --> 02:00:08,880
Speaker 2: He's trying to set up a grappling match and went

2759
02:00:08,920 --> 02:00:11,560
Speaker 2: out to say, have one of your handlers read this

2760
02:00:11,640 --> 02:00:13,160
Speaker 2: tweet and get back to me.

2761
02:00:13,320 --> 02:00:14,520
Speaker 1: I don't know way not a bad zing.

2762
02:00:15,080 --> 02:00:18,920
Speaker 2: I don't think Nate's gonna respond by scheduling a CGI matchup.

2763
02:00:18,920 --> 02:00:19,840
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna run up.

2764
02:00:21,000 --> 02:00:21,320
Speaker 1: Ji.

2765
02:00:21,320 --> 02:00:22,560
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna run up.

2766
02:00:22,600 --> 02:00:25,320
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I mean the Nate ds plan is run

2767
02:00:25,400 --> 02:00:27,200
Speaker 1: up and get done up. That's the whole thing. Do

2768
02:00:27,280 --> 02:00:29,240
Speaker 1: you think this is not what precipitated this?

2769
02:00:30,960 --> 02:00:33,360
Speaker 2: I don't know. I wonder if because remember they do

2770
02:00:33,400 --> 02:00:35,240
Speaker 2: you remember they had that backstage, say.

2771
02:00:36,600 --> 02:00:37,280
Speaker 1: Twenty sixteen.

2772
02:00:37,720 --> 02:00:40,640
Speaker 2: But I wonder if it was shob coming out for

2773
02:00:40,760 --> 02:00:43,360
Speaker 2: saying all the comments about Shane Carwin and getting a

2774
02:00:43,360 --> 02:00:45,760
Speaker 2: lot of headlines from that. I wonder if that triggered it.

2775
02:00:45,920 --> 02:00:48,560
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know, but I don't know, Like should

2776
02:00:48,560 --> 02:00:50,960
Speaker 2: he be escalating this? Is this nothing a double leg

2777
02:00:51,000 --> 02:00:52,360
Speaker 2: couldn't figure out in your opinion.

2778
02:00:52,080 --> 02:00:53,360
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. Like, there's been a lot of

2779
02:00:53,360 --> 02:00:55,440
Speaker 1: people who have picked on him in the last few years,

2780
02:00:55,680 --> 02:00:56,480
Speaker 1: and I.

2781
02:00:56,480 --> 02:00:58,360
Speaker 2: Thought the car Win stuff was legitimate and him being

2782
02:00:58,560 --> 02:00:59,120
Speaker 2: good too.

2783
02:00:59,400 --> 02:01:02,120
Speaker 1: And I do think that people underestimate, like he doesn't

2784
02:01:02,120 --> 02:01:04,960
Speaker 1: clap back in general, but I think that someone you'd

2785
02:01:05,000 --> 02:01:09,760
Speaker 1: be surprised, Brendan He's gonna get over on somebody. I

2786
02:01:09,760 --> 02:01:12,440
Speaker 1: don't know if it's gonna be Nate. But you're gonna

2787
02:01:12,440 --> 02:01:13,360
Speaker 1: see he's gonna get over on.

2788
02:01:13,440 --> 02:01:19,080
Speaker 2: Somebody's gonna somebody's gonna win a truck. I mean, you know,

2789
02:01:19,640 --> 02:01:21,400
Speaker 2: it could be an employee of the show, but somebody

2790
02:01:21,480 --> 02:01:23,920
Speaker 2: will Hey, let's go over to you. Uh, I'm kidding you.

2791
02:01:23,960 --> 02:01:26,120
Speaker 2: Remember the Double Rainbow guy, Remember like I got real

2792
02:01:26,240 --> 02:01:29,160
Speaker 2: high and he watched rainbow like double Rainbows, like watching

2793
02:01:29,200 --> 02:01:31,880
Speaker 2: a baby born. Connor McGregor saw The Harvest Moon recently

2794
02:01:31,920 --> 02:01:32,720
Speaker 2: and had the same reaction.

2795
02:01:33,440 --> 02:01:37,360
Speaker 8: Nah, yeah, the phone isn't there on this justph folks. Yeah,

2796
02:01:37,600 --> 02:01:39,040
Speaker 8: can I don't have a look at that million?

2797
02:01:39,160 --> 02:01:39,440
Speaker 2: Quick?

2798
02:01:40,120 --> 02:01:40,280
Speaker 5: Is it?

2799
02:01:40,720 --> 02:01:44,480
Speaker 8: The mill is on the playing low level? It's like

2800
02:01:44,600 --> 02:01:47,640
Speaker 8: the mion is gonna go look at anything?

2801
02:01:48,480 --> 02:01:51,960
Speaker 2: How about look at that millon folks quick. I don't

2802
02:01:51,960 --> 02:02:01,560
Speaker 2: know if I want to ape he is not.

2803
02:02:01,960 --> 02:02:03,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not saying he's not high here. What

2804
02:02:04,000 --> 02:02:06,440
Speaker 1: I am saying is nothing tells.

2805
02:02:06,200 --> 02:02:09,440
Speaker 2: Me the phones look at that mill creak everyone.

2806
02:02:09,240 --> 02:02:18,760
Speaker 1: Yet nothing, he is more down there. This was the

2807
02:02:18,880 --> 02:02:21,040
Speaker 1: first time I've seen him and been like this is

2808
02:02:21,720 --> 02:02:25,800
Speaker 1: old now you know you watch birds. Look, this is

2809
02:02:25,800 --> 02:02:27,360
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to tell you, Like out of nowhere,

2810
02:02:27,560 --> 02:02:30,120
Speaker 1: out of nowhere. I'm like, yo, these motherfucking birds are interesting.

2811
02:02:30,560 --> 02:02:32,600
Speaker 1: If you're looking at the moon and you're like, guys,

2812
02:02:32,800 --> 02:02:35,200
Speaker 1: have a look at the moon, you are old. Luke.

2813
02:02:35,280 --> 02:02:36,640
Speaker 2: Are you a fan of Taco Tuesday?

2814
02:02:36,800 --> 02:02:37,360
Speaker 1: I love taco?

2815
02:02:37,680 --> 02:02:38,440
Speaker 2: Would you eat it here?

2816
02:02:39,720 --> 02:02:41,200
Speaker 1: Guynacology restaurant? Taco?

2817
02:02:41,600 --> 02:02:47,360
Speaker 2: Well, it's only weird if you make it weird, Luke, Okay.

2818
02:02:47,560 --> 02:02:48,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if that is the kind of

2819
02:02:48,960 --> 02:02:51,440
Speaker 1: taco I'm going for. In general, you.

2820
02:02:51,520 --> 02:02:54,640
Speaker 2: Notice how no celebrities are coming out and supporting Diddy except.

2821
02:02:54,400 --> 02:03:01,120
Speaker 1: For one, Stevie Wonder defense Diddy, I didn't see anything illegal,

2822
02:03:03,400 --> 02:03:05,480
Speaker 1: only he did write songs in the Key of Life.

2823
02:03:05,880 --> 02:03:08,480
Speaker 2: I'm going to give he may have heard or felt something.

2824
02:03:08,320 --> 02:03:10,320
Speaker 1: Illegal, but I'm gonna give Stevie the benefit of the day.

2825
02:03:10,320 --> 02:03:15,120
Speaker 2: Okay, Luke, head to the barber for the hottest hairstyle

2826
02:03:15,120 --> 02:03:16,320
Speaker 2: and they call it the cock out.

2827
02:03:22,720 --> 02:03:24,800
Speaker 1: Just can't just leave this child on the side of

2828
02:03:24,840 --> 02:03:26,200
Speaker 1: the road. He doesn't need parents.

2829
02:03:26,680 --> 02:03:29,440
Speaker 2: Halloween is here. Speaking of that cocked out look, Luke,

2830
02:03:29,960 --> 02:03:31,280
Speaker 2: what do you think about this? I think this guy

2831
02:03:31,360 --> 02:03:36,120
Speaker 2: wins Halloween in twenty twenty five. I also think we

2832
02:03:36,160 --> 02:03:38,080
Speaker 2: played that in like the first episode of the show's history.

2833
02:03:38,080 --> 02:03:40,520
Speaker 2: But it's so good I have I have played this

2834
02:03:40,600 --> 02:03:41,000
Speaker 2: one before.

2835
02:03:41,040 --> 02:03:43,120
Speaker 1: That's genius. That's and I give this a ten out

2836
02:03:43,120 --> 02:03:44,960
Speaker 1: of ten and he's got toilet paper yet ten out?

2837
02:03:45,000 --> 02:03:46,440
Speaker 2: All right, what do you rate this, which you can

2838
02:03:46,480 --> 02:03:47,840
Speaker 2: find at your local spirit.

2839
02:03:50,440 --> 02:03:57,839
Speaker 1: Oh okay, I cannot believe that that day of trauma

2840
02:03:57,960 --> 02:04:00,160
Speaker 1: has turned into this. If you had told me twentyyears

2841
02:04:00,160 --> 02:04:01,960
Speaker 1: ago how long it's been now twenty three years ago?

2842
02:04:02,160 --> 02:04:05,640
Speaker 1: Yeah that like you know, in September of twenty twenty four,

2843
02:04:05,760 --> 02:04:08,400
Speaker 1: you're going to be doing basically the equivalent of the

2844
02:04:08,480 --> 02:04:10,880
Speaker 1: time of a radio show, and your partner is going

2845
02:04:10,920 --> 02:04:13,480
Speaker 1: to be making fun of this day every single time.

2846
02:04:13,520 --> 02:04:15,480
Speaker 2: I think I was pointing out how awful that costume

2847
02:04:15,680 --> 02:04:18,360
Speaker 2: was to be very honest with you too. Yes, yeah,

2848
02:04:19,480 --> 02:04:21,760
Speaker 2: can't wait for September eleventh. We've heard that before in

2849
02:04:21,760 --> 02:04:25,240
Speaker 2: about Hey, remember that weird lady I showed you that

2850
02:04:25,520 --> 02:04:27,160
Speaker 2: was started eating her own body because it was made

2851
02:04:27,160 --> 02:04:27,600
Speaker 2: out of cake.

2852
02:04:28,000 --> 02:04:29,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, watch this.

2853
02:04:33,400 --> 02:04:35,440
Speaker 2: I wonder what she's like look in her personal life.

2854
02:04:39,600 --> 02:04:43,680
Speaker 1: Send her to the gulag. You're just gonna cut the

2855
02:04:43,760 --> 02:04:44,640
Speaker 1: fucking wall.

2856
02:04:46,600 --> 02:04:47,240
Speaker 2: Made out a cake?

2857
02:04:47,360 --> 02:04:51,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, please, please, are you just gonna eat shoes.

2858
02:04:51,160 --> 02:04:55,280
Speaker 2: Big just I think over time she'll win you over

2859
02:04:55,320 --> 02:04:55,760
Speaker 2: and turn you on.

2860
02:04:56,240 --> 02:04:57,560
Speaker 1: I someone should just drown her.

2861
02:04:57,720 --> 02:05:00,320
Speaker 2: Oh my god. All right, hey, shoeies are one thing.

2862
02:05:00,400 --> 02:05:02,240
Speaker 2: What about this? This takes it to a new level.

2863
02:05:04,720 --> 02:05:05,640
Speaker 1: Is that her prosthetic?

2864
02:05:06,280 --> 02:05:06,480
Speaker 2: Yes?

2865
02:05:07,960 --> 02:05:14,080
Speaker 1: You know what, BC, just slip me a note. You

2866
02:05:14,120 --> 02:05:16,760
Speaker 1: know what it said. It said wood bang. Yeah, that's

2867
02:05:16,840 --> 02:05:20,920
Speaker 1: very that's very you know, open to open to new possibilities.

2868
02:05:21,280 --> 02:05:22,800
Speaker 2: Luke Tom for your KOs of the week, and the

2869
02:05:22,840 --> 02:05:24,960
Speaker 2: first one comes from l f A. What do you

2870
02:05:25,040 --> 02:05:27,240
Speaker 2: know about shahmid Khan mago metal?

2871
02:05:27,440 --> 02:05:29,400
Speaker 1: Not much, but that was a nice double jab right hand.

2872
02:05:29,400 --> 02:05:30,240
Speaker 1: And there's another one.

2873
02:05:30,480 --> 02:05:31,760
Speaker 2: Two ko's in the same KOs.

2874
02:05:32,080 --> 02:05:35,200
Speaker 1: And that referee is wearing nine shades of black. Look

2875
02:05:35,240 --> 02:05:36,840
Speaker 1: at this, motherfucker. Look at that. Look at him?

2876
02:05:37,240 --> 02:05:38,760
Speaker 2: Is that a double ko? Do you get twice?

2877
02:05:38,800 --> 02:05:42,240
Speaker 1: They see? Nah, he's still kind of off.

2878
02:05:42,320 --> 02:05:44,600
Speaker 2: No, no, no, now it is yeah, good lord, all right,

2879
02:05:44,640 --> 02:05:46,640
Speaker 2: let's go over to r CC twenty. This is a

2880
02:05:46,680 --> 02:05:49,600
Speaker 2: Kaposa special. They call him Akmalan Mamedov.

2881
02:05:50,320 --> 02:05:52,080
Speaker 1: Look at that, Look at the gloves, look at the

2882
02:05:52,600 --> 02:05:53,280
Speaker 1: floor of the cave.

2883
02:05:53,360 --> 02:05:55,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, watch this finish?

2884
02:05:55,240 --> 02:05:55,640
Speaker 1: Are Luke?

2885
02:05:56,240 --> 02:05:56,440
Speaker 5: Oh?

2886
02:05:57,600 --> 02:06:00,320
Speaker 1: They walk past you. That's that's when the problems began.

2887
02:06:00,520 --> 02:06:04,400
Speaker 2: Jeepers KO of the Week nominee here from the skateboarding halfpipe.

2888
02:06:07,000 --> 02:06:10,640
Speaker 2: Oh shit, that's a scorpion.

2889
02:06:10,720 --> 02:06:13,800
Speaker 1: Dude, that's the that's then Gita fucking.

2890
02:06:14,800 --> 02:06:17,240
Speaker 2: The one more nominee for KO of the Week.

2891
02:06:26,960 --> 02:06:28,600
Speaker 1: That some kind of fucking drone.

2892
02:06:28,720 --> 02:06:30,480
Speaker 2: A nine to eleven joke. That is awful.

2893
02:06:30,600 --> 02:06:32,960
Speaker 1: Wow, that is I was thinking about nine to eleven.

2894
02:06:33,000 --> 02:06:34,440
Speaker 1: But the fact that that was top of mind for you.

2895
02:06:34,520 --> 02:06:36,560
Speaker 2: Says, well, well, unfortunately, and then we have one more

2896
02:06:36,600 --> 02:06:39,600
Speaker 2: in this category. Luke, this is boxing, but it turned

2897
02:06:39,600 --> 02:06:40,440
Speaker 2: into kickboxing.

2898
02:06:41,240 --> 02:06:44,640
Speaker 1: Oh wait, wait wait, this was not kickboxing.

2899
02:06:44,720 --> 02:06:45,480
Speaker 2: That is boxing.

2900
02:06:46,560 --> 02:06:47,400
Speaker 1: He just said, fuck it.

2901
02:06:47,560 --> 02:06:51,000
Speaker 2: Bo Oh my god. I think that's a dec where

2902
02:06:51,000 --> 02:06:51,480
Speaker 2: I come from.

2903
02:06:51,600 --> 02:06:51,720
Speaker 1: Right.

2904
02:06:53,120 --> 02:06:56,040
Speaker 2: Did you see this interaction on the Anak and Florian

2905
02:06:56,080 --> 02:06:58,320
Speaker 2: pod when they had Dominant Cruis on between j A

2906
02:06:58,400 --> 02:07:00,400
Speaker 2: and dom who I love when they worked because they

2907
02:07:00,400 --> 02:07:02,440
Speaker 2: always have like that high energy like they hate each other.

2908
02:07:03,160 --> 02:07:06,320
Speaker 2: Watch this earlier we had Keith Peterson Dominic Cruz talk

2909
02:07:06,440 --> 02:07:10,120
Speaker 2: on this show. We had a little don't listen, so

2910
02:07:10,280 --> 02:07:17,280
Speaker 2: Donna Cruz told me to do better publicly stand like

2911
02:07:17,440 --> 02:07:19,480
Speaker 2: you want to save fighters. You're one of those that

2912
02:07:19,600 --> 02:07:21,920
Speaker 2: thinks we need to be saved. You know, you don't

2913
02:07:21,960 --> 02:07:23,040
Speaker 2: need your fucking help.

2914
02:07:23,600 --> 02:07:24,160
Speaker 4: I got it.

2915
02:07:24,480 --> 02:07:30,080
Speaker 2: Stay out of my fucking way, the fuck out of here.

2916
02:07:32,240 --> 02:07:38,080
Speaker 2: You cut cuts are bad? What about fighting health? What

2917
02:07:38,160 --> 02:07:41,520
Speaker 2: are we talking about? This is so ignorant. You're right,

2918
02:07:41,680 --> 02:07:46,600
Speaker 2: save me, leave me alone, Let me make my fucking money. Dude.

2919
02:07:47,560 --> 02:07:50,240
Speaker 2: That's aggressive, but it's also part of why I love

2920
02:07:50,360 --> 02:07:52,720
Speaker 2: Dom because he's like half crazy and half right a lot.

2921
02:07:53,080 --> 02:07:55,600
Speaker 1: If you let fighters determine the rules of fighting, it

2922
02:07:55,640 --> 02:07:58,080
Speaker 1: would be to the death. Half the time, you can't.

2923
02:07:58,200 --> 02:07:59,920
Speaker 1: That's why we don't listen to them all the time.

2924
02:08:00,120 --> 02:08:02,960
Speaker 1: Sometimes sometimes but they don't get the final say.

2925
02:08:03,080 --> 02:08:04,880
Speaker 2: But he's like a really smart fighter who had a

2926
02:08:04,920 --> 02:08:07,320
Speaker 2: style that didn't take a lot of damage and all that, and.

2927
02:08:07,400 --> 02:08:09,400
Speaker 1: He'd be really smart fighter and have really bad ideas.

2928
02:08:09,480 --> 02:08:11,080
Speaker 2: But what do you think about that idea? That it

2929
02:08:11,920 --> 02:08:13,840
Speaker 2: is America? People could no?

2930
02:08:14,040 --> 02:08:16,160
Speaker 1: I think once again, if you let fighters determine the

2931
02:08:16,200 --> 02:08:18,120
Speaker 1: rules of fighting, it would be to the death, and

2932
02:08:18,240 --> 02:08:19,040
Speaker 1: that's not a good thing.

2933
02:08:19,200 --> 02:08:20,680
Speaker 2: A couple more and then I can catch my bus.

2934
02:08:20,840 --> 02:08:22,920
Speaker 2: The New England Patriots have a new left tackle. What

2935
02:08:22,960 --> 02:08:25,320
Speaker 2: do you think of old number sixty nine there, Luke.

2936
02:08:27,160 --> 02:08:29,640
Speaker 1: I mean, just look at this fucking specimen with the

2937
02:08:29,840 --> 02:08:33,600
Speaker 1: Jizcock jersey and a haircut from nineteen seventy three.

2938
02:08:34,400 --> 02:08:36,560
Speaker 2: I give him points for trying that. All right, Uh

2939
02:08:36,640 --> 02:08:38,640
Speaker 2: do you ever play the game called uh oh let's

2940
02:08:38,640 --> 02:08:40,480
Speaker 2: did you ever do this in the elevator with your kids? Luke?

2941
02:08:41,320 --> 02:08:49,760
Speaker 1: And dust Tuki has started punching me in the crotch.

2942
02:08:50,040 --> 02:08:52,400
Speaker 2: Oh that's not funny too, Yeah, not funy.

2943
02:08:52,120 --> 02:08:53,560
Speaker 1: And I don't I tell her, I don't enjoy that.

2944
02:08:53,720 --> 02:08:55,600
Speaker 2: All right. There was a hurricane that came through Florida.

2945
02:08:55,640 --> 02:08:59,360
Speaker 2: We hope everybody's okay in our viewership. This guy celebrated it, Luke,

2946
02:09:02,560 --> 02:09:04,840
Speaker 2: you know what that's called the hurricane dad right there?

2947
02:09:05,080 --> 02:09:05,400
Speaker 2: You know what?

2948
02:09:05,600 --> 02:09:07,640
Speaker 1: It wasn't like he had a job to get to anywhere.

2949
02:09:08,840 --> 02:09:10,400
Speaker 4: It looks like me after a perfect week.

2950
02:09:11,240 --> 02:09:14,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, I got two more for you, Luke.

2951
02:09:14,960 --> 02:09:16,520
Speaker 2: That I you know what I hate when putting two

2952
02:09:16,560 --> 02:09:19,320
Speaker 2: things together that don't belong. Cigarettes and pregnancy.

2953
02:09:21,360 --> 02:09:24,720
Speaker 3: Hey, they'll be smoking cigarettes if you're pregnant.

2954
02:09:24,720 --> 02:09:26,280
Speaker 1: What's wrong with you? I'm not pregnant.

2955
02:09:26,360 --> 02:09:27,879
Speaker 4: I'm fat, you fucking asshole.

2956
02:09:34,160 --> 02:09:36,839
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, that's fucking hilarious.

2957
02:09:36,880 --> 02:09:38,720
Speaker 2: And finally, Luke, you ever see one of those rock

2958
02:09:38,800 --> 02:09:40,440
Speaker 2: mats you can walk on that like give you in

2959
02:09:40,520 --> 02:09:43,600
Speaker 2: her piece. Just got this matt off a TikTok because

2960
02:09:43,640 --> 02:09:46,120
Speaker 2: I saw some guy that was like enjoying it too much.

2961
02:09:48,640 --> 02:09:51,520
Speaker 1: So we're gonna try it. I want to try it.

2962
02:09:54,680 --> 02:09:58,080
Speaker 1: Oh okay, Oh.

2963
02:10:04,560 --> 02:10:05,720
Speaker 2: It's our final episode.

2964
02:10:07,160 --> 02:10:10,520
Speaker 1: You have the nerve to be mad at me for

2965
02:10:10,680 --> 02:10:15,360
Speaker 1: shoehorning in silly pornography, talk at places, and now you

2966
02:10:15,520 --> 02:10:17,520
Speaker 1: show me a young man squirting.

2967
02:10:17,720 --> 02:10:20,800
Speaker 2: But that was very subtle. The comedy made it subtle. Subtle, Yeah,

2968
02:10:22,560 --> 02:10:25,480
Speaker 2: made it subtle. There, that's your hilarious.

2969
02:10:27,080 --> 02:10:27,600
Speaker 1: Disturbing.

2970
02:10:27,880 --> 02:10:29,680
Speaker 2: I gotta catch a bus. That's all the ship we

2971
02:10:29,800 --> 02:10:32,760
Speaker 2: got for this, tickets for the bull I know, well,

2972
02:10:32,800 --> 02:10:34,760
Speaker 2: this is an experiment. This is experience. See, the bus

2973
02:10:34,800 --> 02:10:36,760
Speaker 2: seats are tighter, so people are kind of like lean

2974
02:10:36,880 --> 02:10:39,440
Speaker 2: on you. But if there's no traffic, can get there

2975
02:10:39,480 --> 02:10:40,200
Speaker 2: quicker and cheaper.

2976
02:10:40,800 --> 02:10:43,600
Speaker 1: You know what's weird in the United States if someone

2977
02:10:43,680 --> 02:10:45,920
Speaker 1: sits on a bus or like a mass transit seat

2978
02:10:45,960 --> 02:10:47,760
Speaker 1: and then they get up. You know, if you sit down,

2979
02:10:47,800 --> 02:10:50,440
Speaker 1: it's like warm obviously, Yeah, I find that gross. You

2980
02:10:50,520 --> 02:10:52,760
Speaker 1: smell the seat first, no, no, no, I find that gross.

2981
02:10:53,240 --> 02:10:57,280
Speaker 1: But in Colombia that's considered like a prized opportunity to

2982
02:10:57,360 --> 02:10:59,480
Speaker 1: get warm, to get a warm seat that someone's been.

2983
02:10:59,520 --> 02:11:00,960
Speaker 1: I want to wait everyone to know if you sit

2984
02:11:01,000 --> 02:11:03,400
Speaker 1: in the seat after me, just like this seat, I've

2985
02:11:03,400 --> 02:11:05,000
Speaker 1: been farting in it for a long time.

2986
02:11:05,080 --> 02:11:07,040
Speaker 2: There you go, Well that's Luke's bowels. We want to

2987
02:11:07,040 --> 02:11:09,320
Speaker 2: thank Long Island Luke Noseda for his work there on

2988
02:11:09,400 --> 02:11:10,120
Speaker 2: the ones and twoes.

2989
02:11:10,240 --> 02:11:11,400
Speaker 1: Yes, thank you Long Island Luke.

2990
02:11:11,760 --> 02:11:14,040
Speaker 2: Maybe you got anything to say? Probably not right.

2991
02:11:14,360 --> 02:11:16,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, guys go like in sub to my YouTube channel

2992
02:11:16,680 --> 02:11:20,120
Speaker 4: main card, it's perfect week, going perfect again next week,

2993
02:11:20,200 --> 02:11:20,800
Speaker 4: let's go we.

2994
02:11:21,080 --> 02:11:22,800
Speaker 1: Who are you taking in? Ilia and Max?

2995
02:11:23,320 --> 02:11:23,720
Speaker 2: It's early.

2996
02:11:23,800 --> 02:11:26,200
Speaker 4: I'm gonna take the you over under. I think I'm

2997
02:11:26,200 --> 02:11:28,880
Speaker 4: gonna do alternate total rounds to over two and a half.

2998
02:11:29,000 --> 02:11:29,840
Speaker 1: I think it's a good bet.

2999
02:11:30,480 --> 02:11:33,120
Speaker 2: We will be back Friday, eleven am Eastern here on

3000
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Speaker 2: these youtubes a morning combat for our paid Friday edition

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