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Speaker 1: This is episode seven of Native LAMPI where we break
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Speaker 1: On today's episode, we are going to discuss the long
Speaker 1: and windy road that is the twenty twenty four election.
Speaker 1: Joe Biden is being pushed on racial justice by black
Speaker 1: members of Congress and civil rights organizations more than one
Speaker 1: hundred to be exact. Donald Trump launched a sneaker brand
Speaker 1: because we were definitely looking.
Speaker 2: For that and maybe Maga Maga Red Bottoms might.
Speaker 1: Help him pay off that three hundred and fifty five
Speaker 1: million dollar judgment. Nicki Haley is vowing to stay in
Speaker 1: the race to the very end of Super Tuesday, that is,
Speaker 1: And with the Michigan primary coming up on February twenty seventh,
Speaker 1: we want to know, Michigan, who y'all got. Are you
Speaker 1: going with the Rashida to Leave strategy or are you
Speaker 1: gonna vote Joe Biden. Fannie Willis was actually cashing out
Speaker 1: in Napa Valley, according to the recollection of an employee
Speaker 1: who remembers her in politics are everywhere. Beyonce is in
Speaker 1: the top spot in country music because Black History Month
Speaker 1: is an amazing time to remind white folk that we
Speaker 1: did that first too. And speaking of country logic, Alabama's
Speaker 1: Supreme Court says, embryos are children. Stick around, and you
Speaker 1: know we'll hear from you getting into those audience questions.
Speaker 1: And it would not be NLP without some calls to
Speaker 1: action too.
Speaker 5: Let's go, let's get it.
Speaker 2: So we're gonna start off with Joe Biden.
Speaker 1: He's being called to the carpet on racial justice related issues.
Speaker 1: Members of Congress, including Sheila Jackson, Lee, Corey Bush, Jamal Bowman,
Speaker 1: and Barbara Lee sent a letter last week asking for
Speaker 1: him to pay more attention to issues surrounding racial justice,
Speaker 1: including on HR forty, which has been introduced every Congress
Speaker 1: since nineteen eighty six, I believe, first introduced by John
Speaker 1: Conyers voting rights, banned books, recognizing that the United States
Speaker 1: has a moral obligation for operations as well, and then
Speaker 1: Barbara Lee's Commission on Truth, Racial Healing and Transformation and
Speaker 1: to support that called out action NBJC National Black Justice Coalition,
Speaker 1: which is led by our dear brother, doctor David Johns,
Speaker 1: as well as David Johnes yes it is his birthday
Speaker 1: recording Happy Birthday, DJ, as well as more than one
Speaker 1: hundred other civil rights organizations co signed on these requests.
Speaker 2: What do y'all think about this?
Speaker 3: I would say My question is what exactly does racial
Speaker 3: justice look like? I do, just to be factual here,
Speaker 3: want to remind everybody that Joe Biden did sign an
Speaker 3: executive order on Racial Justice advancing Racial Equity. It was
Speaker 3: his first executive order he signed in January of twenty
Speaker 3: twenty one. He signed another one in February of last year,
Speaker 3: so I think that's important as well. But Mike, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna answer a question and throw it back to you guys,
Speaker 3: because we're not a homogeneous group of people, and when
Speaker 3: these executive orders are signed, it's a big tent. He's
Speaker 3: not signing to advance racial equity for black people. It's
Speaker 3: this design to it cast a wide net to include
Speaker 3: a lot of people, which I think is absolutely fair
Speaker 3: and appropriate. But what exactly, like, what are the tangibles
Speaker 3: that we're asking for? And I think some people don't
Speaker 3: realize that in order to achieve true racial equity and
Speaker 3: racial justice, it requires cooperation from the state and local governments.
Speaker 3: That is a huge point. It requires a commitment from
Speaker 3: territorial and tribal governments. So collectively, I think we have
Speaker 3: to consider what this means at large.
Speaker 1: You know, one thing, I just want to one point
Speaker 1: of clarity, Sorry, Andrew, I want to make sure that
Speaker 1: I'm clear about this. They aren't asking for like the
Speaker 1: equity order that he an executive action that he initially did.
Speaker 1: This is calling for specific action that is in alignment
Speaker 1: with some of those bills, So the reparations pieces, the
Speaker 1: band books piece, this is voting rights Act, the John R.
Speaker 2: Lewis Voting Rights Act.
Speaker 1: Because why Congress is taking no action, so they're pleading
Speaker 1: with Joe Biden to step in where Congress has dropped
Speaker 1: the ball about that, Andrew just wanted to clarify that no, no, no.
Speaker 5: I think, well what I was gonna say, I think
Speaker 5: there may be ten pieces of legislation that they are
Speaker 5: referencing back to in this in this, in this letter.
Speaker 5: The problem is is it doesn't appear, at least in
Speaker 5: my humble opinion, that Congress is taking any leads from
Speaker 5: Joe Biden. They're not taking any leads from Democrats in Congress, who, frankly,
Speaker 5: after the results of the election, what two weeks ago,
Speaker 5: Republicans only have two votes, two members of their caucus
Speaker 5: that they can lose on any vote in order to
Speaker 5: move anything. Tiffany brought up a really great point, which
Speaker 5: is local and state governments needing to also contemplate, and
Speaker 5: better than contemplate, take action in furtherance of racial equity.
Speaker 5: And we know in some parts of this country that
Speaker 5: conversation will get zero zero seconds, But in other parts,
Speaker 5: if you're a city council member, a mayor, a school
Speaker 5: board member, consider what you can do at your respect
Speaker 5: level with regards to bidding contracting guidelines. I'll give you
Speaker 5: one example. When I was on in Tallahassee City Commission,
Speaker 5: we had a guideline that required in order for you
Speaker 5: to compete to do bond work, which is multi millions, billions,
Speaker 5: trillions of dollars moving, you had to have been around
Speaker 5: like thirty years, forty years in the business. Well, who
Speaker 5: wasn't in the business for forty years ago?
Speaker 6: Forty years ago?
Speaker 5: It was a pointless in my opinion, expectation. And through
Speaker 5: a lot of hard work and due diligence and some standoffs,
Speaker 5: we changed that policy so that it looked more like
Speaker 5: what was required to get diversity included in that practice.
Speaker 5: So just know, at whatever level you are, there are
Speaker 5: steps you can take and furtherance of this idea of
Speaker 5: increasing expanding racial equity and racial justice.
Speaker 3: But what if you're not an elected official.
Speaker 5: You can advocate, You can advocate, raise your voice, go
Speaker 5: down and ask and guess what you might not even
Speaker 5: meet a resistant audience.
Speaker 6: You might meet people who.
Speaker 5: Just never considered what it might mean to have to
Speaker 5: expect for somebody to be in business forty years in
Speaker 5: order to do business with you right, and just ask
Speaker 5: the questions. Sometimes by just asking the question, you can
Speaker 5: move move some of this stuff.
Speaker 1: Speaking of advocating, we have some very active listeners and
Speaker 1: audience members. Every single week we have a question on
Speaker 1: one of the subjects raised in these letters on reparations
Speaker 1: from Monica William Harris, Let's roll that.
Speaker 7: Hey, Native Lamb Podcast. Monica WILLIAMS. Harris here from Atlanta,
Speaker 7: wanted to get your thoughts quickly on this idea of
Speaker 7: reparations in terms of why it is when it comes
Speaker 7: to the idea of reparations as it relates to the
Speaker 7: descendants of enslaved Africans, the issue of funding always comes up,
Speaker 7: ironically when it comes to other groups of people. In
Speaker 7: terms of reparations, there seems to be this unlimited bucket
Speaker 7: of money to pay reparations, and reparation absolutely do the
Speaker 7: descendants of those other groups whose ancestors face atrocities. So
Speaker 7: just wondering what your thoughts are in terms of the
Speaker 7: why there seems to be a bucket.
Speaker 6: Of money for one and not so much a bucket
Speaker 6: of money.
Speaker 7: Or piecemeal distribution for us. Thanks so much.
Speaker 1: I appreciate the question, and I think she sounds like
Speaker 1: she's on par with one hundred plus organizations that have
Speaker 1: asked you know, President Biden away in here and of
Speaker 1: course most recently as well, descendants of enslaved people who
Speaker 1: worked on the Saint Louis University campus in Missouri, nearly
Speaker 1: two hundred people, right, and they say, now that equates
Speaker 1: to more than seventy billion dollars in reparations. I think
Speaker 1: their following suit watching what happened at Georgetown. So this
Speaker 1: is a question that not only deserves to be answered,
Speaker 1: but I also understand our frustration around seeing other folks
Speaker 1: historically benefiting when people when we say reparations, it sounds
Speaker 1: like it's a foreign language. But we've seen other groups
Speaker 1: of people see restorative and repairative justice for harm done,
Speaker 1: and we never we never get our share or our say.
Speaker 3: And it's not just you know, specific to this country,
Speaker 3: but even the United States, the reparations they paid to
Speaker 3: victims of the internment camps during the war, for the
Speaker 3: Japanese internment camps. It was also the federal government compensating
Speaker 3: victims of the Tuskegee Experiment, which you know, obviously with
Speaker 3: black people Florida, your state, Andrew compensate victims of Rosewood,
Speaker 3: the Rosewood Riot in nineteen twenty three.
Speaker 6: But on a.
Speaker 3: Global scale, we've seen this done in South Africa they
Speaker 3: have set up a reparations program post apartheid. In Germany
Speaker 3: they set up a reparations program to compensate victims of
Speaker 3: the Holocaust. So it's really this shame on the United
Speaker 3: States to be so readily resistant to making this right,
Speaker 3: because we are capable, it could literally happen. And just
Speaker 3: to remind folks in brought up HR forty. HR forty
Speaker 3: is exactly that to study, and she was Jackson Lee.
Speaker 3: I have to give her a shout out because she
Speaker 3: picked up that mantle from Congressman Conyers. It is just
Speaker 3: a study to see to examine what that would look like,
Speaker 3: to examine the financial impact of what black people contributed
Speaker 3: to this country. And to remind folks the reason why
Speaker 3: the United States is a superpower is because of enslavement.
Speaker 3: It is because of cotton, sugar, et cetera. That black
Speaker 3: people picked contributed during enslavement that made this country a superpower.
Speaker 3: We are literally the only reason and we have never
Speaker 3: seen the wealth that we helped create for the country.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just think it's good, great, great points to
Speaker 5: if I just add that the root word in reparations
Speaker 5: is like to repair, and to repair something means there
Speaker 5: must have been a breach at some point, and the
Speaker 5: breach was, frankly, the usury of human labor, the trafficking
Speaker 5: of humans, the usury of human labor, and the indignity
Speaker 5: that slavery and enslavement represented. And always simply saying is
Speaker 5: you gotta pay to quote Beyonce, you gotta pay me
Speaker 5: what you owe me. No one's asking for giveaways, no
Speaker 5: free stuff. We're saying you have to compensate the folks
Speaker 5: who did the work, who did the labor, who built
Speaker 5: this joint Angela Rii for free, because we're now saying,
Speaker 5: had we had our choice in the matter, it wouldn't
Speaker 5: have been free. It would have been just like the
Speaker 5: rest of your countrymen who got paid for the work
Speaker 5: that they did during that time. So I just think
Speaker 5: the conversation and reparations is so heated it causes such
Speaker 5: a visceral reaction. For you know, quite frankly, the majority
Speaker 5: community and even some of us really are highly suspect
Speaker 5: of the conversation because of what it suggests and I
Speaker 5: think part of what it suggests to people is that
Speaker 5: you got folks who don't deserve something coming again begging
Speaker 5: and asking for something for free. And we're not asking
Speaker 5: for anything for free. We're saying, quote, pay me what
Speaker 5: you owe, me what.
Speaker 1: You owe me, and speaking of people who need to
Speaker 1: pay what they owe. I want to toss to sound
Speaker 1: where black folks weigh in on.
Speaker 2: Donald Trump versus Joe Biden.
Speaker 8: Trump obiderup say that the business man he's gonna think
Speaker 8: and Biden is a racist?
Speaker 5: Who do you think it's done more for the black community? Trump?
Speaker 4: Bider.
Speaker 9: I ain't even see Biden yet.
Speaker 2: I know Trump was out, he was at b he
Speaker 2: was God.
Speaker 5: That's why he built has wall.
Speaker 8: Michael came over and everything. And you know we've been
Speaker 8: here for all the time and can't get are Hamburger
Speaker 8: and they come here get all this ship.
Speaker 2: I'm saying.
Speaker 8: So that's why I say, yeah, Biden, he ain't going
Speaker 8: to hensh it. So, but Trump, I would feel that
Speaker 8: he will be the better person to get in Biden.
Speaker 3: I don't think, honestly, I don't think we should play
Speaker 3: a lot of that. I don't think, yeah, I don't
Speaker 3: think any of I don't I didn't know that.
Speaker 2: I want to play some of it. I do not
Speaker 2: want to play.
Speaker 5: A whole commercial.
Speaker 1: That's why it is ridiculous, and that's why I want
Speaker 1: to talk about it. Because this video is very clearly
Speaker 1: edited to only cover the folks from Trump. This is
Speaker 1: in Chicago. I'm not at all supporting this. That's not
Speaker 1: the purpose of this. It's to demonstrate how much misinformation
Speaker 1: has impacted our community. Folks thinking that the stock market
Speaker 1: was better under Donald Trump. Folks thinking that our community
Speaker 1: did better under Donald Trump. Where is that coming from?
Speaker 1: And when are we going to begin hitting back? Well,
Speaker 1: Donald Trump now goes to sneaker con to sling sneakers
Speaker 1: because that's another way to reach black folks in the
Speaker 1: most stereotypical way. So if we can roll what happened
Speaker 1: when he goes to Philly.
Speaker 5: I just want to thank you very much for being here.
Speaker 6: It's an honor, it's an honor.
Speaker 5: Your sneakerheads, your sneaker heads tried.
Speaker 6: Wow, a lot of emotion. There's a lot of emotion
Speaker 6: and the real.
Speaker 5: I feel.
Speaker 1: So as you can hear Donald Trump gets booed. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to understand the timing of this, But interestingly enough,
Speaker 1: he starts to sling this sneaker just the day after
Speaker 1: he gets slapped with a three hundred and fifty five
Speaker 1: million dollar verdict in a fraud lawsuit. That's just the
Speaker 1: first of many, by the way, and now he's trying
Speaker 1: to raise money for his legal fees.
Speaker 3: Let me just say about that video. One, that video
Speaker 3: does not represent any real constituency. I think it's really
Speaker 3: dangerous to perpetuate that kind of messaging. I don't know
Speaker 3: anything about Black Conservative, whatever the network was, or anybody
Speaker 3: anything about who shot it or what the circumstances were,
Speaker 3: So I just want to make that super clear. And two,
Speaker 3: there are not droves of people black people lining up
Speaker 3: to support Donald Trump. That is a lie that is perpetuated,
Speaker 3: and we certainly do not want to perpetuate that here
Speaker 3: on Native lampod. I think the most important question is
Speaker 3: what is his base doing. We're not going to pluck
Speaker 3: five asinine sounding people from our community to say that
Speaker 3: that represents something it absolutely does not.
Speaker 5: And on those same way, is that the credit they
Speaker 5: were given to Trump are the things that Biden has accomplished.
Speaker 5: The best stock market performance in history is right now
Speaker 5: under the Biden administration. As a result of Biden policies
Speaker 5: pursued largely and passed under a Democratic control Congress, since
Speaker 5: they have come into into power, they have moved absolutely
Speaker 5: nothing in the interests of the American people. Trump didn't
Speaker 5: even know what the hell he was doing when he
Speaker 5: was there the first time. I again, I don't know
Speaker 5: if these folks were paid. I don't know what the
Speaker 5: hell the primer was prior to them doing this performative mess,
Speaker 5: you know, so that we just witness, and I'm pretty
Speaker 5: enraged because this is the kind of stuff that gets
Speaker 5: moved around and gives people the sense that there is
Speaker 5: a real constituency, I mean a real constituency out there
Speaker 5: for black folks getting on the bandwagon of Donald Trump.
Speaker 5: And I just got to say, I don't see it.
Speaker 5: I don't know what that mess was we just saw,
Speaker 5: but it is it is not evidenced in any of
Speaker 5: the polls, any other numbers, any of anything anywhere.
Speaker 6: We have our.
Speaker 5: Critiques about age, we have our critiques about the things
Speaker 5: that we want more of, for sure, there's no doubt
Speaker 5: about it. But what I know about black folks around
Speaker 5: this country, while we are not a monolith. We are
Speaker 5: pragmatic people and at the end of the day, what
Speaker 5: we're going to vote for are our interests, our survival
Speaker 5: in our future. And when given the choice between Donald
Speaker 5: Trump and Joe Biden against that matrix, there ain't no competition.
Speaker 5: Biden winds hands down every time. Now, that doesn't remove
Speaker 5: pressure from from from from us applying pressure for more
Speaker 5: to do better.
Speaker 6: There's a lot that has to be covered. I get it,
Speaker 6: but that ain't it.
Speaker 5: I don't know what he is, but that ain't Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, I just think the danger of playing something like that,
Speaker 3: if you're not going to go back and fact check
Speaker 3: every little thing that they said that's wrong, then people
Speaker 3: do pull from that and think, oh, this is how
Speaker 3: people feel. So I just want to be crystal clear
Speaker 3: that we that's not what we're doing here. We didn't
Speaker 3: fact check every little thing, but much of that was
Speaker 3: a lie.
Speaker 1: Now, also, I think I did say that a lot
Speaker 1: of that was not true.
Speaker 2: I think Andrew just says, no, I.
Speaker 3: Know, I understand that you all said generally, but I'm
Speaker 3: saying specifically, if you go through each thing they said, Okay,
Speaker 3: well he just said X, let me tell you why
Speaker 3: X is not true and break that down, and I
Speaker 3: just I know we don't have time to do it
Speaker 3: because it sounds I love that.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Also, I also think that it is important to understand
Speaker 1: that there are people like no doubt, sound like that
Speaker 1: in our community. It is true there are breakfast club
Speaker 1: callers who sound like that.
Speaker 2: So I'm also not going to take.
Speaker 1: That away because that is your experience. It does not
Speaker 1: make it factual. And so that is the importance of
Speaker 1: podcasts like this, of platforms like this to ensure you
Speaker 1: do know the facts. Because someone put their name on
Speaker 1: a stimulus check does not mean that's the only stimulus
Speaker 1: check you received, right, there was a stimulus check in
Speaker 1: this administration. There was another attempt that Republican Republican led
Speaker 1: Congress block.
Speaker 5: I just I want to be of sound mind, embody,
Speaker 5: and spirit on this last piece because I agree with
Speaker 5: you that there are sentiments out there that are in
Speaker 5: some ways reflective a bit of what we just heard.
Speaker 5: But the cautionary piece here is when you see that
Speaker 5: many voices spewing that much incorrectness and craziness, it gives
Speaker 5: I think it may potentially lead people with the opinion
Speaker 5: that the constituency of that group is larger than what
Speaker 5: it is. And I hear people with those kinds of
Speaker 5: critiques who didn't derive at the conclusion that then Donald
Speaker 5: Trump was going to be the answer. I hear critics
Speaker 5: that I ain't have nothing done in my community since.
Speaker 6: D Da da da da da.
Speaker 5: I hear that, but then jumping to the logical conclusion,
Speaker 5: they don't draw the logical conclusion that Donald Trump then
Speaker 5: is going to be the answer, the cure, the balm
Speaker 5: in Gilead. He ain't that. And I accept the challenge
Speaker 5: of us following this up with a fact check, a
Speaker 5: mini pod fact check that we can circulate and make
Speaker 5: sure and hopefully maybe get in front of some of
Speaker 5: these people so that they know fact from fiction. If
Speaker 5: we were writting a fiction book, that'd be one thing.
Speaker 5: We're trying to live and today survive and not just
Speaker 5: survive but thrive. And this whole thing is a setback.
Speaker 2: Because we almost out of time.
Speaker 1: Like the point is, the point is to understand that
Speaker 1: people are they are playing this shit.
Speaker 2: On Fox News.
Speaker 1: I get they have him going to sneaker con There
Speaker 1: are ill informed leaders in our community, people who look
Speaker 1: up to folks as role models that carry mikes, not
Speaker 1: because they're in political debates, but because some of them
Speaker 1: are rappers saying the same thing. The misinformation is pervasive,
Speaker 1: and when you tap, you combine misinformation with experience that
Speaker 1: feels unjust and that feels oppressive. People are being led
Speaker 1: to believe that this is the right answer. I did them,
Speaker 1: and this is the same conversation we had last week.
Speaker 1: At some point, there has to be a wider gap drawn.
Speaker 1: The reason that these folks in Congress and these civil
Speaker 1: rights organizations signed a letter is because there has to
Speaker 1: be a wider gap drawn, a wider gap created. That's
Speaker 1: the bottom line there. It should be no competition, there
Speaker 1: should be no confusion.
Speaker 5: In my opinion, the bottom line is is what we
Speaker 5: are bottling up here are over four hundred years of
Speaker 5: systematic agree oppression of a people's And just as we
Speaker 5: sat in front of Barack Obama and asked him, as
Speaker 5: the first African American president, what are you going to
Speaker 5: do for us to cure all these ills? What was
Speaker 5: made clear then and it is true today that we
Speaker 5: can't cure four hundred years of oppression in four years
Speaker 5: or even eight years. And so I just think we
Speaker 5: have to be careful at where we lay the burden
Speaker 5: of this, that the burden of it goes across all
Speaker 5: political parties, across all levels of government. It shows up.
Speaker 5: So the reason why I'm okay with this letter that
Speaker 5: the civil rights organizations did and are putting before is
Speaker 5: because I think it is done one with good intention
Speaker 5: and obviously with great need. But what those folks understand
Speaker 5: is that that could have been sent to Barack Obama.
Speaker 5: It could have been sent to freaking John F.
Speaker 6: Kennedy.
Speaker 5: I mean, this thing goes so far back of the
Speaker 5: things that have to be cure, and they have and
Speaker 5: they have right. All I'm saying is to make the
Speaker 5: two options here Joe Biden or Trump to deliver us
Speaker 5: from all of that is a false narrative. Neither one
Speaker 5: of them are going to deliver us from that. What
Speaker 5: we hope they do is contribute to the kind of
Speaker 5: liberation that leads to all of us being able to
Speaker 5: be free, particularly those of us who have been in
Speaker 5: bondage and are still in many ways in bondage of
Speaker 5: systematic oppression. But that ain't going to be cure by
Speaker 5: one man or the other or two. This has got
Speaker 5: to happen at a systematic level, and systems aren't represented
Speaker 5: by individual people largely, they're represented by rules, policies, proceeds,
Speaker 5: so on and so forth. And so it's just it
Speaker 5: deserves a larger conversation.
Speaker 6: We have to unpack it. I think in a less
Speaker 6: emotional way.
Speaker 5: I'm getting hot as I think about it.
Speaker 1: You should should get emotional. This is our people, this
Speaker 1: is our survival. You should get emotional.
Speaker 5: I am emotional about it, but I'm mostly emotional about
Speaker 5: the mirage. Right You're in the desert and you think,
Speaker 5: right up here is water. There ain't no water there.
Speaker 5: There's no water there. And so when we keep when
Speaker 5: we keep making our demands appear as if they can
Speaker 5: be cured by one person, one individual, we do that
Speaker 5: in ignorance of the huge behemoth of a system that
Speaker 5: we must dismantle, that we must level. And those systems,
Speaker 5: while they may have figureheads, while they may have co
Speaker 5: conspirators who look like you and I are people, they
Speaker 5: are large baked into the cake because of the laws, systems,
Speaker 5: organization structures that exist. And that's what has to be leveled.
Speaker 5: And when I think about who's going to contribute to
Speaker 5: leveling them, I think between two people. It's sure as hell,
Speaker 5: ain't God damn Donald Trump, no idea.
Speaker 1: And to that point, I appreciate that Black History Month
Speaker 1: lesson in this very important Black History Month.
Speaker 2: And just like Nicki Haley is nearly.
Speaker 1: Out of time Nicki for her her presidential run, We're
Speaker 1: out of time. We're gonna take this commercial break and
Speaker 1: we'll be right back. There is a Republican primary coming
Speaker 1: up this weekend. Nicki Haley is still in the race,
Speaker 1: but we don't have time to talk about her race,
Speaker 1: and neither do the polls. Hardly what we talk about Angela.
Speaker 2: I don't think I did. I think the people have spoken.
Speaker 5: But Nikki said, I don't care what happened on Saturday.
Speaker 5: I'm standing in this thing. I'm riding to the faux
Speaker 5: flat tires.
Speaker 2: Plus you know they flat, both they flat.
Speaker 1: So here's what's not flat, though, the Michigan primary, which
Speaker 1: is coming up next Tuesday.
Speaker 2: I think that we need to talk about this.
Speaker 1: So Congressoman Rashida Talib, who is the only Palestinian American
Speaker 1: in Congress right now who has family in Palestine, who's
Speaker 1: been deeply moved and greed. It's grieving what's happening over
Speaker 1: there has made the following request of Michigan primary voters.
Speaker 2: Let's take a listen. That's just the way you can
Speaker 2: raise our voices.
Speaker 6: Don't make us even more invisible.
Speaker 5: Right now, we feel completely neglected.
Speaker 2: And just unseen by our government.
Speaker 5: If you want us to be louder, then come here
Speaker 5: and vote uncommitted.
Speaker 1: So you all will recall that in Nevada recently, none
Speaker 1: of these candidates beat Nikki Hayley, and it sounds like
Speaker 1: Rashida Talib is hoping for something similar in Michigan. I
Speaker 1: think my question is, if they're voting uncommitted in a primary,
Speaker 1: is that an effective protest vote strategy? And if who
Speaker 1: they got, like, who's their other option? Is that the
Speaker 1: same effect as staying at home? If you go uncommitted?
Speaker 2: What do y'all think?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 3: I Andrew and I had a conversation one time, and
Speaker 3: I feel bad because I have quoted Andrew on this podcast.
Speaker 3: And then people start doing these little shared stories like
Speaker 3: don't expect the hyena to act like a lion and
Speaker 3: put my name underneath. That was not me, that is Andrew,
Speaker 3: but we sell it from somebody, so praise the Lord.
Speaker 2: Well, that's good.
Speaker 1: Because people be listening to this podcast is still in
Speaker 1: it for their own but I carry into.
Speaker 3: But I think you know, but I think the Andrew
Speaker 3: you made a really good point about black people and
Speaker 3: our imaginations and what it means to envision a democracy
Speaker 3: that serves us. And because we have been so oppressed
Speaker 3: in this country that we have always had to vote
Speaker 3: how we think them majority of white people might vote,
Speaker 3: We've never had the privilege of being able to pick
Speaker 3: a candidate who truly inspires us and speaks for us,
Speaker 3: save for the exception of I would say, for a
Speaker 3: lot of people president former President Barack Obama. So I
Speaker 3: will toss it back to you guys to say, what
Speaker 3: if not for a protest vote? And if we're going
Speaker 3: towards a society where there will be no racial majority
Speaker 3: by the year twenty forty, then we have to start
Speaker 3: getting used to voting for candidates, driving the narrative around
Speaker 3: who votes for candidates, But what does a protest vote
Speaker 3: look like for us right now as we're on the
Speaker 3: journey to getting to that. Because I don't want to
Speaker 3: just like discard people like Rashida to Lee for saying, hey,
Speaker 3: this is something that's important, but on the other side,
Speaker 3: I do understand, Hey, there are you know, needs that
Speaker 3: your constituents have that that have to be met, and
Speaker 3: I don't know how impactful it is to not vote
Speaker 3: for Joe Biden.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well, the good I mean, I guess is for folks.
Speaker 5: I'm just gonna say we should we should frame that.
Speaker 5: What she's advocating for is in this primary, which are
Speaker 5: Democrats only and then Republicans only, and then they will
Speaker 5: produce a nominee. She's saying, when it gets to Michigan,
Speaker 5: and we're supposed to be voting for who we think
Speaker 5: got to represent the Democratic Party. And by the way, nationally,
Speaker 5: nobody's talked about who else is runing against Joe Biden.
Speaker 5: But there are other Democrats competing for the Democratic nomination.
Speaker 5: There are not any names that I can repeat here,
Speaker 5: there are, or so there will be other people on
Speaker 5: their ballot. Joe Biden will likely walk away with it there.
Speaker 5: Any way, what she's saying is is go in there
Speaker 5: and show that you have a problem with the way
Speaker 5: in which this war and uh in Israel is being
Speaker 5: prosecuted and the accountability that appears to be missing when
Speaker 5: it comes to America. Who is largely funding much of this.
Speaker 5: UH appears to be willing to exert over net and Yahoo,
Speaker 5: who has walked away from treaties, packs other agreements.
Speaker 6: UH that that that that have.
Speaker 5: Been hard fought and hard one. And Rashida, who is
Speaker 5: the only Palestinian American I believe in the US Congress,
Speaker 5: is seeing relatives, family members, her community, her people being
Speaker 5: largely displaced and really under attack.
Speaker 6: And that's that.
Speaker 5: That, by the way, is not to say that Israel
Speaker 5: hasn't also suffered greatly here in the process. But she's
Speaker 5: saying there's gotta be some love, some accountability here, some
Speaker 5: some humanity being exerted here. And I have to tell you,
Speaker 5: if there's gonna be a protest vote, I much prefer
Speaker 5: it in a primary election rather than when we get
Speaker 5: to November and we are choosing between two people, largely
Speaker 5: where one of.
Speaker 6: Them is going to merge as president.
Speaker 5: We gotta think, think critically about which one of those
Speaker 5: choices are going to be in our long term best
Speaker 5: interest for ourselves and for our children and for our
Speaker 5: children's children.
Speaker 6: And that's what we're talking about here.
Speaker 5: So I will say I don't oppose what Rashida is
Speaker 5: doing as It relates to getting out there and saying, Biden,
Speaker 5: you need to hear the death of our anger, the
Speaker 5: death of our concern, and this is how we're going
Speaker 5: to show it to you. But come November, y'all, we
Speaker 5: got two choices.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's what we have right now, some upheaval
Speaker 1: at the chancy that we don't know about exactly.
Speaker 6: A choice. Booting is a choice.
Speaker 2: Yes, thank you.
Speaker 1: We're going to broaden this thing out a little bit
Speaker 1: and hear this listener question.
Speaker 2: I love this one. It's from a college.
Speaker 6: Hi.
Speaker 10: My name is Katie Baron and I go to Burbingham
Speaker 10: Southern College and I'm in the class of the Pillars
Speaker 10: of Africana Thought. And our question for you for this
Speaker 10: week was how do we incentivize elected officials who are
Speaker 10: working on behalf of black people to speak to this
Speaker 10: constituency and those who care about justice and equality more
Speaker 10: directly as opposed to spending so much time trying to
Speaker 10: convince those who are opposed to justice and freedom, particularly
Speaker 10: in black and brown communities.
Speaker 1: I love this question, and there's nobody better to answer
Speaker 1: this than our very own Tiffany Cross, who is the
Speaker 1: author of Say a.
Speaker 2: Loud of it. Tell them, Tiff, what's the answer here?
Speaker 6: Give it?
Speaker 1: Yes, this only give us a little teaser though, make
Speaker 1: them read the book.
Speaker 2: Also, we got a time critics out to make a flight.
Speaker 3: Yes, I know exactly. I'm gonna be real quick. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna be real quick. Here's the thing. When when politicians
Speaker 3: talk about they they're deliverable, it's like what they want
Speaker 3: to do for constituents. They scream and shout to every
Speaker 3: constituency about what they can do. When they talk to
Speaker 3: black people, it's a whisper and it's private and it's quiet.
Speaker 3: Once I get in office, I'm gonna help you' all.
Speaker 3: But hey, for the people who care about stem cell,
Speaker 3: and hey to the people who don't want people to
Speaker 3: have a choice, and hey to the people who care
Speaker 3: about gun rights, we're gonna speak to you loudly. They
Speaker 3: will spend more time trying to convince maga voters and
Speaker 3: quote unquote swing voter who I don't exist to come
Speaker 3: over to their side. Then they will to energize their base.
Speaker 3: So we have to stop that. We have to start
Speaker 3: leaning into our power and holding people accountable to make
Speaker 3: sure that that happens. Furthermore, we have to start pressing
Speaker 3: the media. I don't think people pay enough attention to
Speaker 3: the outsized role that media plays and elections, and media
Speaker 3: will often have people over and they'll ask a politician, well,
Speaker 3: you're running as a Democrat, how do you plan on
Speaker 3: convincing some of those red state MAGA voters or some
Speaker 3: of those MAGA supporters to vote for you? Why is
Speaker 3: that a relevant question to a Democrat running? Tell me
Speaker 3: how you're gonna convince me dance with the one who
Speaker 3: brung you. I don't want to hear how you're going
Speaker 3: to convince the people who left you a long time ago,
Speaker 3: the nineteen sixties, to be exact. So I think it's
Speaker 3: a two part role. One the media has to stop
Speaker 3: doing that bullshit because it is frustrating every single time
Speaker 3: I hear it. And two, we have to stay true
Speaker 3: and committed to our values and start tuning out the nonsense.
Speaker 3: And we can go directly to the source. We can
Speaker 3: go to their website, their page, and we have have
Speaker 3: to just in this age where social media has democratized
Speaker 3: who has a voice, we have to start holding them
Speaker 3: accountable and look for what ways are you advancing issues
Speaker 3: that are relevant to me my community? And for the
Speaker 3: greater good.
Speaker 2: I love you. Thanks. Okay, Andrew your favorite.
Speaker 1: I think that there's no bigger stand for Fannie Willis
Speaker 1: on this podcast than Andrew Gillim So aging got it?
Speaker 2: No, I mean to bring us home.
Speaker 5: Okay, listen, this will be this will be quick too,
Speaker 5: because I know we spent some time doing a Facebook
Speaker 5: live talking about UH.
Speaker 2: Life, Instagram, my bad.
Speaker 5: I look they owned by the same man, right, Kay,
Speaker 5: all right there it is all I'm saying. Anyway, we've
Speaker 5: all been I think enraptured. I know I was by
Speaker 5: by the testimony of Fannie Lue Fannie Willis UH last week,
Speaker 5: week before whatever, and then we talked about on the pod. Well,
Speaker 5: a lot of people appeared to be shocked when she
Speaker 5: said she pays in cash.
Speaker 3: You're a woman and you go on a date with
Speaker 3: a man, you better have two hundred dollars in your pocket,
Speaker 3: so if that man acts up, you can go where
Speaker 3: you want to go.
Speaker 5: So I keep cash in my house, and I don't
Speaker 5: keep cash as good in my purse like I used to.
Speaker 7: I don't go on any dates, but when you go
Speaker 7: on a date, should have cash in your pocket.
Speaker 5: She got a lot of feedback from a lot of
Speaker 5: people and maybe even some suspicion from those in the
Speaker 5: system who said, no one does that, it's not true.
Speaker 5: So let me talk to this clip where we hear
Speaker 5: from somebody who might confirm her use of cash.
Speaker 9: Stan Brody told me that he hosted Fonnie Willis and
Speaker 9: Nathan Wade at Acumen Wines back in twenty twenty three
Speaker 9: when they both visited this winery in Napo Valley, California,
Speaker 9: where Bonnie Willis put the bill.
Speaker 4: I ran up to saying, and I showed her I
Speaker 4: was expecting a credit card quite frankly, and she just
Speaker 4: I'll pay cash, and so that was that them. I
Speaker 4: just put the cash in, made change for her, and
Speaker 4: she was very generous to me.
Speaker 5: I love that, he added in the last part, she
Speaker 5: was very generous to me. I think we know what
Speaker 5: that means. But that was her way there too, who
Speaker 5: had his memory jogged from her visit to the winery
Speaker 5: where she pulled out cash and she paid. And I'm
Speaker 5: just saying for those of us who was suspect and
Speaker 5: we were like, nobody pays in cash. Nobody has that, y'all.
Speaker 5: Homegirl paid in cash.
Speaker 1: I was I was not suggesting that people don't pay
Speaker 1: paying cash.
Speaker 2: I know black folks do paying cash.
Speaker 1: I was more shocked, like you paid cash to the
Speaker 1: dude on a date Like That's where I was like.
Speaker 5: Whoa, hey, look, let me tell you that she bought
Speaker 5: on that. When she talked about their disagreements and the
Speaker 5: relationship and that she was.
Speaker 6: You know, is equal.
Speaker 5: She made the point and that's why I paid him back.
Speaker 5: I mean, she was pretty clear about that, and you know,
Speaker 5: I believed her then. But I'm glad to see that
Speaker 5: somebody has come out to say, in fact, I have
Speaker 5: no interest in this, but in fact I was a waiter.
Speaker 5: I was surprised she did it. I took that cash,
Speaker 5: and guess what, she was very generous to me.
Speaker 3: Well, I just want to remind people the person on
Speaker 3: trial is the former president Donald Trump, who we have
Speaker 3: heard numerous times on a phone call asking elected officials
Speaker 3: there to find him an additional eleven thousand votes. The
Speaker 3: mere question of if DA Fannie willis financially benefited from
Speaker 3: hiring a qualified attorney on her team with whom she
Speaker 3: happened to have a previous relationship is completely asinine when
Speaker 3: we're looking at what she is, what case she has
Speaker 3: built against this president and what he actually did, the
Speaker 3: crime that he actually committed, and we have evidence that
Speaker 3: we've all heard. So we spent way too much time
Speaker 3: talking about this black woman's dating life and trying to
Speaker 3: question her every move, and not enough time helping that
Speaker 3: the judge there makes the right decision by keeping her
Speaker 3: on the case.
Speaker 1: I feel like they definitely gonna call me a trump
Speaker 1: plant today because this.
Speaker 2: Is y'all know already.
Speaker 1: We talked so much about this on our Instagram live too.
Speaker 1: But I do believe that as an attorney myself, you
Speaker 1: have to be above approach. And in the Fulton County
Speaker 1: trial where Trump is a lead defendant, he has eighteen
Speaker 1: co defendants, so no wonder they're all in Fine's mix.
Speaker 1: But I do believe the issue here isn't just whether
Speaker 1: she benefited financially from the relationship. It is also whether
Speaker 1: there is a material conflict. It has since been broadened
Speaker 1: beyond that initial scope to whether or not there was
Speaker 1: a material conflict that means she should be disqualified from
Speaker 1: prosecuting this particular case.
Speaker 2: I think that that still is an issue, and the
Speaker 2: judge judge hasn't yet ruled.
Speaker 5: Sorry, Angela, I just want to say I appreciate you
Speaker 5: continuously reinserting why we're even here having this conversation about
Speaker 5: the district attorney, But also I want to be clear
Speaker 5: that the reason for them having gone down this road
Speaker 5: and the first place was, in my opinion, not because
Speaker 5: anybody legitimately thought. This woman is only prosecuting these defendants,
Speaker 5: including Donald Trump, because she needed money to go on
Speaker 5: a vacation or catch a plane or go to a winery.
Speaker 5: That is that on his face to me, is just ridiculous,
Speaker 5: But that has led us down this road where she's
Speaker 5: had to go into far more detail than any of
Speaker 5: us would like to about our personal affairs. And in
Speaker 5: this case, I'm just I'm personally glad that she has
Speaker 5: further validation that she was honest and truthful, and now
Speaker 5: we can get back to the to the reason for
Speaker 5: this case in the first place, which is the illegal
Speaker 5: actions by Donald Trump and all of his squad.
Speaker 1: Y'all young lawyers out there, be prepared for them to
Speaker 1: be all in your mix if you try to take
Speaker 1: on a big case. And in the speaking of mix,
Speaker 1: we got to be all up in ours and pay
Speaker 1: our bills. We're gonna take another break and be right back.
Speaker 1: All right, we are back with one of our favorites.
Speaker 1: This is politics are everywhere.
Speaker 6: And it's not.
Speaker 1: It's our girl, Tiff with the update. What's going on
Speaker 1: in the world, Tiff? What are we talking about?
Speaker 7: Why?
Speaker 3: I just want to tell you all this ain't Texas,
Speaker 3: ain't no hold them put them cards on the table,
Speaker 3: because that's the being sad. And she is number one
Speaker 3: on the country music chart. But let me tell you
Speaker 3: why I'm excited about this number one. I've listened to
Speaker 3: this song eighteen times. I've looked at all the line
Speaker 3: dances that people are creating, and it's like, let me
Speaker 3: just give you some guidance. If I can't learn this
Speaker 3: in a few simple steps, y'all are doing advanced choreography.
Speaker 3: That is a right, like who can do these line dances?
Speaker 3: But I think why we're talking about this in all
Speaker 3: seriousness is because of the resistance from some stations who
Speaker 3: have refused to play her music. There's also been people
Speaker 3: who are saying that she's not country, she can't be
Speaker 3: country music. If you'll recall, she did a country so
Speaker 3: before on her Lemonade album where she talked about her dad,
Speaker 3: and the Grammys refused to accept that into the country category.
Speaker 3: But there's been a long history, as I'm sure a
Speaker 3: lot of our listeners and viewers know, of black people
Speaker 3: in country music. In recent history, we have Tracy Chapman
Speaker 3: with Fastcar, Darius Rucker of Hoody and the Blowfist are
Speaker 3: also Latino Spanish speaking country singers. Country music originated in
Speaker 3: the black tradition. There's a whole movement of black folks
Speaker 3: that became reclaimed folk music. I remember growing up, growing
Speaker 3: up in the eighties, there was always like a country
Speaker 3: soul performance. I remember Patti LaBelle seeing duets with Dolly
Speaker 3: Parton and so when when when when her country album dropped,
Speaker 3: I was kind of excited because I thought, I when
Speaker 3: I've seen like a lot of the country music fans
Speaker 3: do these very involved line dances, I'm like, oh, this
Speaker 3: would be interesting. I know our stuff was gonna be dope,
Speaker 3: but it'll be interesting to see what they do with it.
Speaker 3: And of course it's all these people having all this resistance.
Speaker 3: What are y'all gonna stop being so terrible, you know,
Speaker 3: not being terrible and celebrate talent and embrace this music.
Speaker 3: Music is the one thing that that brings us together,
Speaker 3: I think, and I think traditionally, if you look throughout history,
Speaker 3: this is where we can align and build bridges. So
Speaker 3: just just stop being terrible. We're so exhaustedly y'all being terrible.
Speaker 3: Stop being terrible anyway. Have you learned the line dance Angela?
Speaker 3: Have you learned the line dance we? I don't know
Speaker 3: if y'all know this. Angela cannot work. I cannot work.
Speaker 3: So I know, Shay, we got to try to get
Speaker 3: a lesson from our girl, Andrew. Can you exactly, exactly
Speaker 3: exactly have y'all got Have y'all downloaded the single yet
Speaker 3: in sixteen Carriages?
Speaker 1: Yea, I have downloaded you like I do. I like
Speaker 1: sixteen carriages better. And we just want to note here
Speaker 1: that because of Texas, Hold Them Beyonce just became the
Speaker 1: first black woman artist with the number one country song
Speaker 1: on Billboard. Yes, so we were just speaking in a
Speaker 1: country music We're gonna get to a country part of
Speaker 1: the world. We're talking about Alabama, where the Alabama Supreme
Speaker 1: Court has ruled that unborn children are also children. This
Speaker 1: is hitting me kind of personally because this is about
Speaker 1: an IVF clinic where a patient went into a space
Speaker 1: where they weren't supposed to go and they dropped several
Speaker 1: fertilized eggs embryos on the ground and resulting in people
Speaker 1: losing some embryos and not being able to pursue uh.
Speaker 2: Their you know, their plans.
Speaker 1: And now with this ruling, they are potentially putting IVF
Speaker 1: clinics at risk of being able to further help couples
Speaker 1: who may be dealing with infertility. There's a twenty six
Speaker 1: year old who mentioned that she doesn't know what's going
Speaker 1: to happen. This ruling literally came down the day that
Speaker 1: she was beginning injections.
Speaker 2: For egg retrieval. So this is I don't unders.
Speaker 1: I don't know why the government needs to be in
Speaker 1: our business to this degree.
Speaker 2: It is such an overreach, It is so gross.
Speaker 1: I cannot wait until bills start coming out all over
Speaker 1: the country. There have already been a couple about regulating
Speaker 1: men's use of viagra. I just think that once we
Speaker 1: do that a little more, they will back up out
Speaker 1: of the vagina.
Speaker 2: It is really very It's just too much.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's too much.
Speaker 1: Well, and I do think there should be some regulation
Speaker 1: in support for couples seeking infertility treatments.
Speaker 2: I had four cycles of IVF that failed.
Speaker 1: This is not what I mean by that, right, Like,
Speaker 1: this ain't your business. Let me figure this out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And thank you Angela for even sharing though
Speaker 3: you're for cycles that you've had, because millions of people
Speaker 3: have gone through this or are presently going through this
Speaker 3: across the country. So one, you're not alone. But legislation
Speaker 3: like this certainly has an impact. And these are voters people,
Speaker 3: these are voters. But I just want to point out
Speaker 3: a little something about Alabama, who cares so much much
Speaker 3: about children. Right now, there are over ten thousand kids
Speaker 3: in foster care in the state of Alabama. There's been
Speaker 3: a ten point seven percent increase of kids going to
Speaker 3: foster care in the state of Alabama since twenty eighteen.
Speaker 3: So I would ask some of these people who are
Speaker 3: not pro life but anti choice, how many children have
Speaker 3: you adopted out of the foster care system, because that
Speaker 3: is an option that they'd love to throw out to
Speaker 3: people who are pro choice. And how concerned are you
Speaker 3: about the children who are Have you shown up? Do
Speaker 3: you volunteer, do you encourage other people? Are you involved
Speaker 3: or are you just holding up protest signs or in
Speaker 3: about what's happening in my snatch.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how about that.
Speaker 1: Also to the point, you know, Tip loves data on
Speaker 1: that point, one in six people in this country are
Speaker 1: impacted by infertility. So maybe we should treat this a
Speaker 1: little more with a little more tender love and care.
Speaker 5: Tender love, care, respect, Angela. As you know to I
Speaker 5: thank God for our twins thanks to IVF and successful
Speaker 5: yea treatment.
Speaker 3: That's true.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I mean it is the Supreme Court. I
Speaker 5: don't know if you read the opinion, but the language
Speaker 5: they use in the the invocation of of of of
Speaker 5: what God's providence is and what he would want for us,
Speaker 5: and what what he believes in and what he doesn't
Speaker 5: it is I mean, I don't know where these people
Speaker 5: went to law school. I don't know where their degrees
Speaker 5: come from, but they have not a.
Speaker 2: Law Roberts University.
Speaker 6: Okay.
Speaker 5: All I know is they've not only encroached on obviously
Speaker 5: a woman's a woman's body and in the most terrible ways,
Speaker 5: but they have they have also, in my opinion, completely
Speaker 5: shredded the law. And I just hope that the people
Speaker 5: in Alabama are are waking up to recognize that this
Speaker 5: is an assault that is not at their doorstep but
Speaker 5: in their bedrooms, and that they they got some work
Speaker 5: to do down there. I guess I should say over there,
Speaker 5: I'm in Florida.
Speaker 6: Over there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true. Good point.
Speaker 1: We have another listener's question from David. Let's roll it.
Speaker 11: My name is David Hackney from Durham, North Carolina. Recently,
Speaker 11: Sage Steele made a comment that the Black national anthem
Speaker 11: lived every voice and saying was divisive. Oftentimes when they're uncomfortable,
Speaker 11: they use that term divisive to describe us when we're
Speaker 11: advocating for ourselves. The question is how do we change
Speaker 11: this narrative and how do we get them to see
Speaker 11: that their very own national anthem is divisive in itself
Speaker 11: and it's often a trigger for many of our people.
Speaker 11: Have a great day, Thank you.
Speaker 2: I love this question at the end, not at the beginning.
Speaker 1: And there's some people who I don't feel like deserve platforms.
Speaker 1: There are some people who decided that the line was
Speaker 1: shorter on the other side of the isle, and if
Speaker 1: they caped and cooned for the other side, that they
Speaker 1: somehow would find fame. And she is one of those people.
Speaker 1: How dare you talk about a national anthem that is
Speaker 1: deeply spiritual to our people?
Speaker 2: How dare you?
Speaker 1: We have the stanza from the Black National Anthem included
Speaker 1: in the very purpose of this podcast. How dare you?
Speaker 1: I still do not stand for the national anthem to
Speaker 1: this day because of how divisive it is, how triggering
Speaker 1: it is. Now understanding what is in the second stanzas
Speaker 1: Stanza by Francis Scott Key right like, how dare you
Speaker 1: You're talking about the life of an enslaved person being
Speaker 1: referenced in THEIRS, but you can't understand what it means
Speaker 1: to be true to our God, true to our native land,
Speaker 1: like through our tears, through our weary years.
Speaker 2: Through all of the things.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to cite all the lyrics because say, Chah,
Speaker 1: I don't even believe you ever heard it. But the
Speaker 1: point is it's not divisive to highlight the black experience.
Speaker 1: It is divisive to try to erase the black experience.
Speaker 1: That is what is done in the actual American National Anthem.
Speaker 1: It is not divisive for you to have to recollect history.
Speaker 1: That is so sad that you feel that way. It
Speaker 1: is so sad that you are so ashamed of your
Speaker 1: black side, your black skin, that you will run and
Speaker 1: revolt to the other side to make whiteness feel more comfortable.
Speaker 2: I wonder how her.
Speaker 3: Kids feel, because they're also black. So I wonder how
Speaker 3: her kids like when they hear something like that. I mean,
Speaker 3: I think it's clear Saint Stale is a confused, self hating,
Speaker 3: half witted, chucking' and jiving idiot.
Speaker 5: You know, I'm just glad they revealed that they are
Speaker 5: anti prayer, right, because the last stanza of the Negro
Speaker 5: National Anthem is a prayer, God of our silenteers, God
Speaker 5: of our weary years, God who has brought us thus
Speaker 5: far along the way, Guy who has, by thy might
Speaker 5: led us into the light.
Speaker 6: Right. So first of.
Speaker 3: All, we appreciate the flax that you know the last
Speaker 3: verse of the National The real test is do you
Speaker 3: know the second one?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 6: Yes? I do, because that.
Speaker 2: No, not you, Andrew, Andrew got you.
Speaker 1: I think tips point is like she probably hasn't even
Speaker 1: read through the whole thing. And I'm saying, even like
Speaker 1: even the people who are actually down for the cause
Speaker 1: and haven't had their black cards revoke, many of us
Speaker 1: do not know the second verse without at least a
Speaker 1: little Yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Got, I got a hum for a minute, and then
Speaker 3: you talking about.
Speaker 5: I don't think anybody should spend any time trying to
Speaker 5: convince anybody who don't appreciate, doesn't value, doesn't understand what
Speaker 5: that means to us to all of a sudden care,
Speaker 5: I don't. That is the negro to me is so
Speaker 5: so personal. That's why I love the fourth stands of
Speaker 5: being a prayer.
Speaker 6: Right, it is.
Speaker 5: Third, it is, it is. It is built through struggle,
Speaker 5: through harsh third.
Speaker 6: Third. I'm sorry, nope, is that right?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Third? Yes, the third. Okay, No, you're right, you're right,
Speaker 2: you're right that it's the third.
Speaker 6: You're right, but you're wrong. It's the third.
Speaker 2: It's the third. But that said, that's all we need
Speaker 2: to say about that.
Speaker 1: We're gonna go ahead and pause for an ad break
Speaker 1: and get back to Calls to Action. All right, So
Speaker 1: we are back with our well, at least my favorite part,
Speaker 1: Calls to Action. It's not a podcast with discussion with
Speaker 1: us unless there's something to do. There's stuff that we
Speaker 1: need for y'all to do. So we're gonna start off
Speaker 1: this week with tip.
Speaker 2: Tip has a good one. Tip what you got?
Speaker 3: Yes, so you guys know, the State of the Union
Speaker 3: is coming up on March seventh, and so I would
Speaker 3: like to hear from our listeners and our viewers about
Speaker 3: what you would like to hear President Biden address during
Speaker 3: the State of the Union. Now, as you all know,
Speaker 3: this is when he comes before a joint session of
Speaker 3: Congress to actually give the State of our Union. So
Speaker 3: we just want to hear from you how you feel
Speaker 3: about it. We're going to play some of your responses
Speaker 3: next week and we hope that it may even echo
Speaker 3: chamber up to the White House so they can hear
Speaker 3: what his base would like to hear him addressed in
Speaker 3: the State of the Union. So that's our ask. It's
Speaker 3: my call to action, but it's on behalf of my
Speaker 3: co host Andrew and Angela. We really want to hear
Speaker 3: from you, so shoot us a video. We want to
Speaker 3: see those beautiful faces and so we can see you
Speaker 3: and put together our own montage.
Speaker 6: If you shy, you can write. If you're shy, no.
Speaker 3: We need the sound, so please put it on video
Speaker 3: and send it to us. It's hurt well.
Speaker 1: Andrew, since you're so eager to double dutch in, why
Speaker 1: don't you go ahead and do your call to action.
Speaker 6: I just listen.
Speaker 5: This past week or two, we've been spending my wife
Speaker 5: and I spend some time helping our kids with their
Speaker 5: Black History Month projects, which every fourth grader in the
Speaker 5: school has to do, and then it goes to the
Speaker 5: media center and then all the other kids in the
Speaker 5: school get to go and visit and learn different Black
Speaker 5: history facts. And I just my call to action is
Speaker 5: my son presented his yesterday and we're surprised that not
Speaker 5: anyone else in the class had heard of the individual.
Speaker 5: And I would just like to encourage wherever you're from,
Speaker 5: who you are, your background, whatever, that all of us
Speaker 5: before this month, lets out takes the opportunity to lift
Speaker 5: up some Black history in your own home, for your family,
Speaker 5: your children, your whomever. Let's not take it for granted.
Speaker 5: The school didn't allow them to talk about Martin Luther
Speaker 5: King or Rosa Parks, because those are folks who are
Speaker 5: largely in the regular curriculum of the school. So reach
Speaker 5: out beyond the well known names and figures, and you know,
Speaker 5: bring yourself a little education, and your family, your household,
Speaker 5: in particularly if you've got kids, try to introduce them
Speaker 5: to some of the lesser known lesser talked about individuals
Speaker 5: and moments in black history.
Speaker 2: I love now.
Speaker 1: I did note that you said individual. Do you remember
Speaker 1: the individual's name on jacks?
Speaker 5: You're not going that wasn't important, so I wanted to
Speaker 5: It is important, but most importantly, lift up the lesser,
Speaker 5: the individuals who a lesser known, and question.
Speaker 1: And answers and gifts. Mine is another big one for
Speaker 1: our audience. As you all can probably tell, we are
Speaker 1: working so hard to try to keep this podcast cast
Speaker 1: under an hour. There's always so much happening, and even
Speaker 1: though we love each other deeply, there's always a little
Speaker 1: bit of nuance in our opinions, and so there's disagreement,
Speaker 1: but with love and respect. Almost they almost killed me earlier,
Speaker 1: but I think I'm checking.
Speaker 2: I'm still here. I'm still here. I'm still here.
Speaker 1: But my question for you all is we always talk
Speaker 1: about a top five and wrap. I want us to
Speaker 1: have a top five in topics, and every week we
Speaker 1: want you all to pick a topic you want us
Speaker 1: to address in the first half. We have these quick topics,
Speaker 1: well they're supposed to be quick, but we'd love to hear.
Speaker 2: From you all.
Speaker 1: We're trying to get folks in the spirit of voting,
Speaker 1: and we want you to vote every week and not
Speaker 1: only just sending your questions, not only sending what you
Speaker 1: want to hear for state of the Union, but vote
Speaker 1: on a topic you want us to address. Every week,
Speaker 1: we'll send out the top five and have y'all vote
Speaker 1: on that at the top of the week and before
Speaker 1: we end the show, I want to remind everyone.
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