1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: Native Lampod is a production of iHeart Radio in partnership 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: with Reason Choice Media. 3 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. 4 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome home. Everybody, this is tipping a crous No, 5 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: it's not got a right. 6 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:16,280 Speaker 3: You don't want to start with yourself. 7 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:20,760 Speaker 1: And I'm Andrew Gellham and you're tuned into this week's 8 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: mini pod, which we have decided off the fly to 9 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: make this week's quick mini pod. Uh. Some answers to 10 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 1: the questions that y'all posed that we didn't get you 11 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: in the show, So forgive us, but also direct your 12 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: friends over here to see your debut on Native Lampod. 13 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: So how y'all doing? 14 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 4: How we have we have decided off we have on 15 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 4: the fly, off the fly. We have decided on the fly. 16 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 4: So didn't that means it's not on the fly, weirdo? 17 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: It is on the fly. We just decided on the fly, 18 00:00:55,280 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 1: just a couple of minutes to do this said importantly, however, 19 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: more important than y'all doing all right? Yes, if it was, 20 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: if it is good, can we get to the first question? Please? 21 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:08,759 Speaker 5: Yeah, what you were talking about? 22 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 3: Welcome home, y'all. 23 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 6: I'm April McFadden from Chicago by the way of Atlanta, 24 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 6: and two things. DNC coverage loved it. Second thing, Angela, 25 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 6: listen to last week's episode, Andrew out cooolled you, I 26 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 6: didn't think that day would happen, but you. 27 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 3: Should let him have the if you feel in froggy. 28 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 6: Jump moment all to himself because it was great and 29 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 6: you had to bring the flower into it. We love 30 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 6: you though, anyway. But my question that I want y'all 31 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 6: to choose. There's a lot of talk about Kamala Harris, 32 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:52,559 Speaker 6: Vice president, Kamala Harris energizing the base. 33 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 3: But is it her energizing the base or is the 34 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 3: base energizing her? 35 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 5: H What's I like that? 36 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 1: What's the name? Differently, what was her name? 37 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 5: Do we remember? 38 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 3: Her name was? Okay? 39 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:13,239 Speaker 4: What is you talking about? I don't even know she 40 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 4: said about froggy jump, I. 41 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: Said last week she said, when I said if you 42 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: feeling froggy jump, you said what you thought? It was, Tiffany. No, 43 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:25,639 Speaker 1: I didn't say I'm telling you feeling froggy jump. Well 44 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: that may be true. However, I said froggy jump. You 45 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: then pulled over your uh potted plant. Oh the lid 46 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: that ain't a lily pad and she was like, you 47 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: should have let and you have that cool moment moments. 48 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 2: Ever, I see, but is it cool if you said 49 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 2: the quote wrong? 50 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 5: Well, it's was to her, so maybe it was. 51 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 2: But I thought she was talking about something else. I 52 00:02:58,200 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 2: was I'm glad that. 53 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 5: We we will let his. 54 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: April that I'm not cool. He does not need to 55 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: be little. 56 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 5: She's saying you cool. She's saying you cool. But I 57 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 5: love her question about is I think it's both. I 58 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 5: think it's both. That's my answer. 59 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 1: I think it doesn't make a difference. 60 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 3: I am curious. 61 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 2: No, it doesn't make a difference, but I like it 62 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 2: as a question and a topic to discuss. 63 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:32,839 Speaker 1: No, I mean I I do wonder is seriously, does 64 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: it make a difference if she's giving us energy or 65 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: if we're the ones giving her energy. 66 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 2: I would say it does only because after the campaign 67 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 2: she she has to govern. And if you know, if 68 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 2: you need like people around you cheering all the time 69 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 2: for you to lead with the courage of your convictions 70 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 2: and go out there and deliver for the people, you know, 71 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 2: you don't always have that. As president, approval ratings go 72 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 2: up and down. So I would say she is energizing 73 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 2: the people. But she's being. 74 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 5: Fed a lot of energy. 75 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 2: It's like if we our energy is different when we're 76 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 2: in front of a live audience, you know, and then 77 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 2: people are you know, responding and talking to us, then 78 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 2: we have more energy. 79 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 5: Energy is contagious. 80 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 2: Our energy when we're together is different versus being on 81 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 2: a zoom. So yeah, I think it makes a difference. 82 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 2: And I think the people are feeding her energy and 83 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 2: I think she is feeding back. 84 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 5: Energy to us. I think it's both and I. 85 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 3: Like it, you know, and I think it's not just both. 86 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 4: I think there's like a where's that from Lionking somewhere? 87 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 4: Circle of life, Like there's a whole linking. Yeah, there's 88 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:43,559 Speaker 4: a whole like ecosystem that is happening. And I think, 89 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 4: you know, people were excited to see a shift on 90 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 4: the Democratic ticket. 91 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:53,159 Speaker 3: I think that it energized the party. 92 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 4: I think that it energized some young folks who were like, Okay, 93 00:04:57,200 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 4: maybe there's an opportunity to have a conversation with someone 94 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 4: who's as stuck in their ways. I think Kamala Harrison 95 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 4: demonstrated that she listens even to opposing views, and I 96 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 4: think that you can see a complete shift in her demeanor, 97 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 4: and that is coming from the love that she gets. 98 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:17,919 Speaker 4: Like you know, when she was on the stage of 99 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 4: her speech that Thursday night at the DNC, I wonder 100 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 4: how many times Kamala said thank you, And I think 101 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 4: it was genuine gratitude because when she was you know, VP, 102 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 4: or she still is VP, but as the VP, she 103 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 4: was in such obscurity whether you know, I'm not saying 104 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 4: that she wasn't working hard, but she wasn't getting the 105 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 4: coverage and the attention that the work she was doing, 106 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 4: the boldness of the work she was doing really deserves. 107 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 4: So now to kind ofly be to kind of be seen, 108 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:51,280 Speaker 4: I think it does do something to her and for her, 109 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 4: and I think that she's now reciprocating that seminergy. 110 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 3: So basically I agree with Tip. 111 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: I think she's electric. I think she's electorate, electrical by 112 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: the audience. But I've also been in spaces where there's 113 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 1: been great anticipation for someone and the people didn't get 114 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,919 Speaker 1: let down, like it's almost as if you can't reach 115 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 1: the level at which folks have put yeah, and so 116 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: it was just yeah, which is why I'm glad that 117 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 1: the way this thing started was her impressing everyone because 118 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: we were so refreshed to hear her voice, see her disposition, 119 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: see the snap you know, the snap back, the the 120 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,359 Speaker 1: you know what she was like, as the saying goes, 121 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 1: if you got something to say, say that didn't come 122 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: out of nowhere, right, she she played on on on 123 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 1: all the things that felt very familiar to her. And 124 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 1: I think, like you both said, she was in She 125 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 1: was in her body. She was fully encompassing Kamala Harris 126 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: or whatever they call her. When you know everybody ain't 127 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 1: in listening here, right, whatever that name is, she was 128 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: fully embodying that. And I would just say the beauty 129 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: is that it can work both ways. The fact that 130 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: she met us above our expectations, performed at a level 131 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: get certainly given the circumstances, the unforeseen circumstances of it 132 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: all that you would have thought she had been preparing 133 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: and you know sort of you know, teed up on 134 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: this a long, long, long, long long time ago. And 135 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: in fact, I think the Kamala Harris that we are 136 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: seeing now was different than the one that we saw 137 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: when she was running for president. I feel like she 138 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: is fully yeah in the sense that yeah, yeah, I 139 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 1: was not as compelled by her then I didn't think 140 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: that her positions on issues were as solid as they 141 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: are I think, as they are now. She learned some things, Yeah, 142 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: she learned some things, Yes, sure, And that's what I 143 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: mean about flip flopping. This whole thing that people can't 144 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: evolve if you aren't every single day learning something new, 145 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: adding to the repertoire, maybe even contradicting some things you 146 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: knew before. Then what are you doing? Are you really living, 147 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: are you really experiencing? Are you open to whatever the 148 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: universe is putting? You know? 149 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 5: Your way? 150 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 1: And I'm not blaming anybody for an evolution so long 151 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: as it's hard come by. Like you, you know, you've 152 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: done some thinking and some some some doing here, So anyway, 153 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: I don't know that it makes a total difference, but 154 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: I do think there's something different in the fact that 155 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: we thought of her at some level and she came 156 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: out in the stratosphere and has really, you know, bodied 157 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: this this race up to this point, and I think 158 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:32,319 Speaker 1: she'll do it, you know beyond guys. 159 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 4: One one other question on this question, how much of 160 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 4: that that energizing do you think is coming from this 161 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 4: inherent desire to protect Kamala Harris, Like, we think about 162 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 4: what we've had to do to ensure they know her name, 163 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 4: to ensure they understand just how qualified she is. I 164 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:55,839 Speaker 4: wonder if some of what is feeling energizing is this 165 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 4: innate desire and need we know it, like, uh, you know, 166 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 4: secondhand to protect not only what is ours. Like remember 167 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 4: when Congressoman Budget got on the podcast of the DNC 168 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 4: when Leonard asked her what was the difference between Hillary 169 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 4: Clinton running and Kamala Harris running for her? And she 170 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 4: says she is mine, and yeah, it was like that. 171 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 4: When she said that, I had goosebumps. I was like, 172 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 4: oh my god, there was. 173 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:22,319 Speaker 3: Something that was very diferent. 174 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 2: I think that, like, we are part of the largest 175 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 2: sorority of the globe as Black women. It is a 176 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 2: magical space, a magical thing to be a part of. 177 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 2: We don't hold hands, we chain a soul. We don't 178 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 2: have the privilege to even dislike each other. There are 179 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 2: people who I don't, you know, amongst us and family talk, 180 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:44,959 Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, I don't really rock with her, I 181 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 2: don't like her, you know, But when we get out 182 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 2: here in the world, you know, and somebody's attacking her. 183 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 2: I have to stand with my sister. I'm not going 184 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 2: to turn you over to them, because I know the 185 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 2: cruelty of them too well. So I think as black 186 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 2: women we are a coalition, and black women are the base, 187 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 2: the strongest, most enthusiastic part of the base of the 188 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 2: Democratic Party, and even outside the party, just a base 189 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:12,719 Speaker 2: of voters who stand on the side of goodness and 190 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,959 Speaker 2: righteousness and does what's right. So yeah, I think this 191 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 2: is a part of protecting her, but also investing in 192 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 2: ourselves and our future and trusting. If I got to 193 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 2: choose between her and this unhinged ass white man, I'm 194 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 2: going with somebody who looks like me. 195 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 5: Every time there. 196 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 2: Was a really quickly there was a father. I man 197 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 2: told this on the podcast before. There was a father 198 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 2: who was letting his young black daughter fly by herself 199 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 2: for the first time, and he told her, if you 200 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 2: get in any trouble, if you get lost, if you 201 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 2: have any problems, find the closest sister you can and 202 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:53,199 Speaker 2: tell her you're lost and you need help. That says 203 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 2: so much, because if I had to unleash my child 204 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 2: in the world, I would offer her the same thing. 205 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 2: Find any black woman and tell her you need help 206 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 2: because we so try. I don't have to know you, but. 207 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 5: I know you. 208 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 2: You are me and I am you. So I think 209 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 2: there is something some of that with Kamala Harris. We 210 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 2: got less than ten minutes. I don't want to take 211 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 2: that much time. 212 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 6: We've got to. 213 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: Question this next question. But I will say that I 214 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 1: think respecting the bond of obviously amongst black women and 215 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 1: women of color, it's all real, is that black men 216 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 1: and I think other communities also feel this ownership and 217 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 1: protection piece because once someone sets their aspirations at this level, 218 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: whatever level it is, you have the courage to put 219 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: yourself out there. It's like, Nah, you can't let every 220 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 1: Tom Dick Harry run along Trump or you know, run 221 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 1: along and strike that person down, because you're now going 222 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: at the best of us. You're now going at what's 223 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: represent what I feel is part representation of me. So 224 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: I think a lot of us got are back for sure. 225 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: What's that next question? 226 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 7: High Native Lampod family, how are you? 227 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 3: This is Jennifer. 228 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 7: I live just outside of Washington, DC, in a suburb 229 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 7: of DC in northern Virginia. I'm sure you're familiar with 230 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:20,559 Speaker 7: that area and My question revolves around how can we motivate, mobilize, 231 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:26,079 Speaker 7: and centivize Black Americans who live in upper middle class 232 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 7: communities to participate in holding elected officials accountable in between 233 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:38,200 Speaker 7: election cycles. So I live in a community in which 234 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 7: a lot of black people seem to me to be 235 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 7: very comfortable. They don't want to upset the apple gart 236 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 7: they don't want to upset the status quoth. They don't 237 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 7: want to upset and jeopardize their own comfort. And so 238 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 7: it seems as though black people are taking and tolerating 239 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 7: a lot of behavior by elected officials instead of holding 240 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 7: these officials accountable. Do you guys think that there is 241 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 7: something that we can do as a group as black 242 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 7: people in order to motivate and sentivize these people or 243 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 7: these the people that Harriet just would have left behind. 244 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 7: So much answer to answer my question. 245 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:14,319 Speaker 3: And Tiffany, it was meeting you the other way. 246 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 7: So much for being so gracious with your time and 247 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 7: generous with your spirit. 248 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 3: Take care. 249 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 7: I love you guys. Bye. 250 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 2: And I'm like I know her? Like, where do I 251 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 2: know her from? Can I tell you, guys? I met her? 252 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 2: Michael Harriet was in town and he was doing a 253 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 2: book talk for Black a f history, amazing book. 254 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 5: Please read it. 255 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 2: He was doing a book talk at Sankofa and she Uh, 256 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 2: they gave me a shout out from the stage, and 257 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 2: she came up to me and was saying how much 258 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 2: she loves NLP. She said, she listens going in the 259 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,319 Speaker 2: car in the morning with her kids. But I told 260 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 2: you all about her. 261 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 5: And anyway, Yes, that was the woman who I met. 262 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 2: She was so sweet. She loves y'all, like she loves 263 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 2: the whole podcast. So I'm like, where do I know 264 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 2: her from? She's I literally was showing her how to 265 00:13:58,320 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 2: send a question. 266 00:13:58,920 --> 00:13:59,839 Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, you can send it. 267 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: On this She said it. 268 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 5: Thank you so much. Who want to take that question? 269 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 4: I love this question so much, in part because it's 270 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 4: something that I've wrestled with for for a long time. 271 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 4: Still wrestle with it, wrestle with it in a book 272 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 4: that I'm going to write and publish at some point. 273 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 4: But I think that black folks have had to be 274 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 4: very strategic and calculating, and in some instances to our 275 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 4: own detriment. There are a number of elected officials on 276 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 4: the local, state, and federal level who have decided that 277 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 4: incremental progress is better than no progress at all, and 278 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 4: I understand it, but it is immensely frustrating to be 279 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 4: talking about incrementalism four hundred and fifty plus years after 280 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 4: our arrival here we know the first documented arrival, but 281 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 4: I'm just saying four under fifty plus years after arrivals period. 282 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 4: So when we're talking about a people who built this, 283 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 4: of people who are challenged on ownership, of people who 284 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 4: when they have when we have created areas there were 285 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 4: our own, just to be out of your way and 286 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 4: to not coexist, and you burn that down to the ground. 287 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 4: It is very frustrating to deal with folks who are like, Okay, 288 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 4: well I've arrived. The rest of y'all haven't arrived, but 289 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 4: y'all will figure it out, like we should at the 290 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 4: very least have a united front. So that incremental progress 291 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 4: is never bold, it is never radical, and it never 292 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 4: really results in our true liberation. It is something that 293 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 4: we have to I think, probably wrestle with in a 294 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 4: maybe not a public forum, but in a large forum 295 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 4: where we address the needs of a black agenda. I 296 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 4: will give a shout out here to Black Features Lab 297 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 4: that developed the Black Census and did one in twenty 298 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 4: twenty two and has used that census to formulate a 299 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 4: Black Economic agenda, But that Black Economic agenda does not 300 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 4: necessarily coincide with. 301 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 3: UH. What is the name of that organization? 302 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 4: Black Economic Alliance and and b e A does not 303 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 4: talk to necessarily UH Black to the Future Action Fund. 304 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 4: To ensure that our collective and widespread and disparate interests 305 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 4: are all coming together, we need those spaces. We got 306 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 4: to work together to see our collective advancement, Like if 307 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 4: we're honest, yes to these things. 308 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 1: And when you name those two groups that kept thinking 309 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 1: when I was a candidate having to go and try 310 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: and recruit dollars and the very different interest Yeah, I 311 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 1: mean we're talking about the poohbas versus the popular, you know, 312 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: the the proletariat NOE. Not to be disparaging to any 313 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 1: particular group, I would just say Angela and Tiff. In 314 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: my experience, I have come across cush or cushy or 315 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: comfortable black folks in my own community and around the 316 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: state when campaigning who have frankly come by their They've 317 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:06,360 Speaker 1: earned their spot wherever that spot may be for them. 318 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: But in many ways that spot always feels tenuous. That 319 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: spot always feels like it could be taken from us. 320 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: That it could be, you know, whether it's something I said, 321 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:22,360 Speaker 1: or I didn't pay how much to the right person, 322 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: or whatever that is. And so folks haven't lost I 323 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:30,439 Speaker 1: guess the revolutionary in them. They still have a dream, 324 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: they still have an aspiration. They still know what it 325 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: feels like to be kicked, and they know when they're 326 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:37,479 Speaker 1: being kicked, even if they don't give voice to it. 327 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: But their perch doesn't allow them the flexibility to be 328 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 1: to act it out in the way that we might think. 329 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 1: I was always shocked that so many of the white 330 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: folks who wrote me checks to run for office and 331 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 1: that kind of thing never hesitated to come by the 332 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: office visit state what their issue was, whether it was 333 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: zoning or their support for something or another. And oftentimes 334 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,679 Speaker 1: our community didn't want to put upon me. It was 335 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:08,919 Speaker 1: good enough for them for me to show up, be 336 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,199 Speaker 1: able to get my words out. And if there was 337 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 1: a thing I was passionate about to see that thing 338 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 1: crossed over the three to two finish line and we 339 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: win victory. That it was like, we know that it's 340 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 1: hard enough just getting up every day and doing this thing, 341 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 1: and so we don't want to add to it, and 342 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 1: I would just encourage us. I appreciate that, and I'm 343 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: sure the elected officials in your community appreciate not being 344 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: put upon. But in truth, that's what we're there for. 345 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:40,159 Speaker 1: If you can't hold us accountable, encourage and applaud us, 346 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:44,919 Speaker 1: but also admonish us when it is necessary, then what 347 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 1: is this all for. Then we're not moving our agenda. 348 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:51,479 Speaker 1: And as good of an elected official may be and 349 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: as on point around the issues you care about, they 350 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: may be, know that there is another interest out there 351 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: who's pulling them in a different direction. So it matters 352 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:02,159 Speaker 1: that your voice is in the room. It matters that 353 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 1: you say what you believe deserves being addressed, and that 354 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:09,360 Speaker 1: you be dogmatic about it. You don't have to be disrespectful, 355 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: but you can absolutely ride that horse, you know, uh, 356 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 1: you know, through the finish line. So I just I 357 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 1: don't think it's a lack of interest in wanting to 358 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: hold people accountable, or lack of interest, or even an 359 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:28,439 Speaker 1: absence of desire, but rather that the world has whipped 360 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 1: us into a place, and the reality of the world 361 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,919 Speaker 1: has whipped us into a place where we do hedge 362 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: when it comes to our positionality because our movement from 363 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:42,919 Speaker 1: that place impacts our household, my children, my children's future, 364 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:45,919 Speaker 1: my family, my you know, dot dot dot, you put in, 365 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 1: you know, fill in the blood line. But but but 366 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:51,160 Speaker 1: I don't think it's a I don't think it's there's 367 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 1: anything sinister there. It's probably just the need for for 368 00:19:56,359 --> 00:20:00,920 Speaker 1: for for frankly, updating our outlook on what accountability looks 369 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 1: like for each other. 370 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 5: All Right, I love it. 371 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 2: Well, I think that's close. Our mini pod, Guys. 372 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 1: Native Lampard, is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership with 373 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: reisent Choice Media. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the 374 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your 375 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: favorite shows.