1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks DJ. Bucky 3 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: back with you, Buck. First of all, before we get 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: into what we're going to talk about, I see you 5 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 1: got the high school sweatshirt on here. We got playoffs? 6 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: Do we make the playoffs this year? 7 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:20,279 Speaker 2: So we did make the playoffs and for the first 8 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 2: time in school history, we are playing in the open division, 9 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 2: so that we're playing in the top of the top, 10 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 2: so we have an opportunity to play against the best 11 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 2: of the best. And we're a fifth seed out of eight, 12 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:34,239 Speaker 2: so we earned it by this week and then we 13 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 2: play a very talented and tough Carson Colt Steam on 14 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 2: the following Thursday. But we're better than is it. So 15 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 2: it's been good. 16 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: That's awesome, and congratulations on that. 17 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 2: Again. 18 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: For those who don't know, we've talked about in the past, 19 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: but this is a program that's basically been asleep for 20 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: a long time, and Bucky was there, with the help 21 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: of some other people, has been able to kind of 22 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: get this thing turned around. Appearance in the state title 23 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: game last year, and I love keeping up with it, Buck, 24 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: especially once you get to the playoffs. That'll be my routine. 25 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: You play on a Thursday Friday morning, I'll wake up, 26 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:07,119 Speaker 1: I'll go to Max Preps and we'll jump in there 27 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: and see how Granada Hills Charter was able to do. 28 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 1: But good luck, man, I'll be rooting for you man. 29 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: As always, I want to get to the Raiders here 30 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 1: in just a moment about the changes that were made there. 31 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: We're going to also hit on some of our rookie stuff. 32 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: We do this each and every Thursday where we give 33 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:27,759 Speaker 1: you the results of those rookie impact scores, so we'll 34 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: get to that as as well, and just a little bit. 35 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 1: But I want to start off because we're both basketball fans, 36 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 1: and you were you know, grew up in Carolina, you 37 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: went to North Carolina, you played football there, but obviously 38 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: connected to the basketball program as well. And then I 39 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: was born in Fort Wayne, Indiana. My aunt was a 40 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 1: head women's coach at IU when coach Knight was there, 41 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: and I know there's a there's a complicated history with 42 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: Bob Knight, and then you know that stuff's all out 43 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: there and been reported. But I think it'd be interesting conversation, 44 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: even though it's a football podcast about maybe the impact 45 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: of that style of coach and maybe the focus. I 46 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: think it goes one or two ways. It's on the 47 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: harsh personality is you know, and obviously all the stuff 48 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: that went on the negative side of things, but then 49 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: there's also you know, you hear the phrase like this 50 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 1: is a coach's coach, like who are the coaches that 51 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 1: the coaches look up to and respect? Who are teachers 52 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: and innovators in the game, And it seems like he 53 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: was one of those. 54 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 2: So it's really fascinating. I would say this because this 55 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 2: is a plug. It's not my thing, but there's this 56 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 2: thing like if you are a coach, if you're in 57 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 2: the leadership, there's this thing that Mike Lombardi and George 58 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 2: Raveling have created called the Daily Coach, and it's the 59 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 2: thing that pops up on Twitter, but they send newsletters 60 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 2: and last week they did this thing where they were 61 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:46,679 Speaker 2: interviewing Pat Rout and so you know how how much 62 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 2: I love he calls him everything that Pat Roley does. 63 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 2: But in the piece pat Roley was talking about when 64 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:53,839 Speaker 2: he became a coach, there were a couple of guys 65 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 2: that he had to go see. He had to kind 66 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 2: of take in all of their stuff, and Bob Knight 67 00:02:57,919 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 2: was one and he said the thing that he learned 68 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 2: from Bob Knight was the four piece. The four p's 69 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 2: DJ are practice, practice, practice, and is Look, it's ironic 70 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 2: that this is a week where we lose Bob Knight, 71 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:16,959 Speaker 2: but in reading that, it really is everything because we've 72 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 2: been around coaches for so long. Again, all the great 73 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 2: coaches always talk about the game is won or lost 74 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 2: on the practice field leading up to it. It's all 75 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 2: the preparation. It's all going through the routine, holding your 76 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 2: skills on the practice, build on the hardwood or the diamond, 77 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 2: and making sure that you take the habits that you 78 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 2: create in those environments and you just trust your training 79 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 2: when it comes to the game. And so one of 80 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 2: the things with Bob Knight you can appreciate is people 81 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 2: talk about the way they practice and the way they 82 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 2: went after it in the detailed and the discipline that 83 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 2: he demanded from his teams. And so it's not a 84 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 2: coincidence that he won three national titles, that he is 85 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 2: a guy that's a Hall of Fame coach, that he 86 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:57,119 Speaker 2: is celebrated as one of the best coaches that we've 87 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 2: ever seen in that game. And so yeah, we could 88 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 2: talk about the complex and complicated history of him and 89 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 2: some of his interpersonal react relationships with players, but you 90 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 2: can tony have success that he had on the court. 91 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 2: And so at this moment, I would choose to kind 92 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 2: of focus on that part of his legacy in its history, 93 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 2: then the other stuff that can clout kind of intage 94 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 2: his legacy. 95 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: I was thinking about the football comparison, and I know, 96 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 1: you know, Nick saving gets a lot of credit because 97 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: he's evolved over the years and he's adapted to the 98 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 1: changes in the game and even somewhat in his personality. 99 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: But if you're going to say, what's kind of the 100 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 1: hallmark of a Nick Sabing team and a program that's 101 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 1: won all these national championships, I would start with toughness. 102 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: I would start with teaching. I would start with discipline. 103 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: Those are the same tenets that kind of Bob Knight was, 104 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: you know, built on. I mean, that's what he did. 105 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 1: It was a team, you know, it was known for 106 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:53,840 Speaker 1: the innovation with the motion offense and everything. Would I'm 107 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 1: sure you ran it. We ran it high school out 108 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 1: here in California. But like all the innovation that he 109 00:04:57,680 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 1: had but then it was more, you know, it's just 110 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 1: everything was about tenacity and toughness on defense, honestly, making 111 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 1: it like you know, Nick Saban the famous phrase, there 112 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: is fourth and one every day at Alabama, like that 113 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 1: type of pressure and intensity on a Monday through Friday 114 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: before you even get to the game. I feel like 115 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: that was something that he was about as well, was 116 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:20,840 Speaker 1: creating a very tense environment so that when the games came, 117 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: maybe it was it was a little looser for them 118 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:24,720 Speaker 1: and it was almost like, thank God, we got a 119 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 1: game today. 120 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 2: So here's the thing, DJ, It's funny that you talked 121 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 2: about Bob Knight and those things and the influence you 122 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 2: bring up Nick Saban. Well, the interesting thing about Bob 123 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 2: Knight is I think some of his closest friends. I 124 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 2: think Bill Parcells was a close friend because Jombackler was 125 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 2: one of his good buddies too. Yeah, and then Mike Shryzchewsky. 126 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 2: So let's just think about like the level of winning 127 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:50,039 Speaker 2: that those guys. So mish Chefsky got thing played for 128 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 2: Bob Knight and so they had their relationship. And then 129 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 2: Bill Parcells may have been coaching at Arms Tony LaRusso 130 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 2: was another one of his very good friends. Yeah, and 131 00:05:57,680 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 2: so when you think about all those guys, right, So, 132 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:02,720 Speaker 2: at a time where people are talking about the game evolved, 133 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 2: and the game certainly has evolved. It is evolved in 134 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 2: terms of your communication and your relationships with your players. 135 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 2: But I still think those old valuables and principles apply. 136 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 2: You talked about discipline, you talked about detail, you talk 137 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 2: about toughness, you talk about being able to teach the 138 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:20,479 Speaker 2: game at a high level. Well, the best coaches continue 139 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 2: to do that. Nick Saban does that, Bill Parcels. You 140 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 2: think about Mike Scheff, who's a hard nosed coach, but 141 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:30,160 Speaker 2: he also evolved throughout his time at Duke. When I 142 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 2: think about like Bob Knight and those things, I think 143 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 2: about the story and I can't remember when I heard this, 144 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 2: but I just remember we have an appreciation for coaches, right, 145 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 2: And at a time where people think it's all about 146 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 2: the players, there's still a role for the coaches when 147 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 2: it comes to elevating a team to a championship level. 148 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:48,599 Speaker 2: And I remember hearing a story where they talked about 149 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:52,359 Speaker 2: maybe in eighty seven, where he told the team, look, 150 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 2: if you get me to the final four, I'll win it. Yeah, 151 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 2: And so DJ like like, but when you think about that, 152 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 2: to me, that's what the great coaches can do. If 153 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,559 Speaker 2: you get me to a certain point, I can coach 154 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 2: as home, I can get us over the line with 155 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 2: tactics and scheme and doing that. I just need you 156 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 2: guys to get me to this point. And so to me, 157 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 2: that's everything, because I think there are times where we 158 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 2: would say this, and I know the Patriots are struggling, 159 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 2: but DJ, in a one game scenario, wouldn't bet on 160 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 2: Bill Belichick to win a Super Bowl? You know what 161 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like, I think those are the things that 162 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 2: great coach are able to do at a one game 163 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 2: scenario when as my team versus your team, if I'm 164 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 2: coaching the team, I'll figure out a way to get 165 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 2: us to the Winter Circle. Bob Knight had that ability, 166 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 2: and so I think that's why so many people respect 167 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 2: him within the industry. Yeah. 168 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: And one of the one of the clips that made 169 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: its round, I'd seen it many times before, but it's 170 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: one of my favorites was the h Did you see 171 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: the clip of him talking about the Olympic team with 172 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: Jordan at halftime? Are you sitting there and he's like, 173 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: all right, so this is they're playing Spain in the 174 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: gold medal game, and I'll kind of retell it as 175 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: best I can. But he said they're up by like 176 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: twenty nine points. He said, Jordan's only played like eleven 177 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: minutes in the first half. He's got like eleven rebounds, 178 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: He's got eighteen points, and he had like seven assists. 179 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: And he's like, I'm going to the locker room I have. 180 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: This is like literally a perfect half of basketball from 181 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: this team, and especially from Jordan. He's like, well, what 182 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: am I gonna say? He's like, I know I got 183 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: to get on Jordan. I'm gonna get on Jordan halftime. 184 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: So he comes in there at halftime and he goes, Mike, Mike, 185 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: what are you gonna set a screen? We got four 186 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 1: guys out there setting screens for you and you're not 187 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: setting any screens. I guess I got to put somebody 188 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 1: else in the game so we can get screens. All 189 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 1: you're doing is scoring, passing, and rebounding. He goes, Jordan 190 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: got a big smile on his face. Jor gets a 191 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: big smile on his face. He goes, Coach, I saw 192 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: the other day you said that I was the quickest 193 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: player you've ever seen, and he goes, what the heck 194 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: does that guy do with setting a screen? He goes, Coach, 195 00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 1: maybe I'm just setting them so fast you can't see him. 196 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: And Night goes, well, gosh, darn it, start setting him 197 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: slower so I can see him then. But then he 198 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: was on record buck at that time before Jordan's played 199 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 1: an NBA game saying he's the best player he's ever 200 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: seen ever. So let's think about the interaction right there. Okay, 201 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: So I mean, once again, at a time where we're 202 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 1: talking about the Patriots and the Patriot Way and Tom Brady, 203 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: Jordan humbling himself to allow himself to be coached. That's 204 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: the interaction I get not only Jordan taking the coaching, 205 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: but Bob Knight also coaching the best player hard. Because 206 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:42,559 Speaker 1: when you can coach the number one player, and the 207 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: number one player is willing to be coached, then you. 208 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 2: Can coach the rest of the team. And so it's 209 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 2: understanding that part of it. No, I'm gonna go hard 210 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 2: at the best player because he says the tone I 211 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 2: come at him, I'll hold him to a high standard. 212 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 2: You know, I'm gonna hold the rest of you guys 213 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 2: to a high standard. But everybody that puts on the 214 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 2: uniform is going to get coach and they're going to 215 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 2: be hail to a standard that they have to meet. 216 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 2: And I'm not relenting on my standard. 217 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: So I want to know if you've ever had anything 218 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,200 Speaker 1: like this, because it's all along those points. But Steve Alford, 219 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 1: I was reading something about him, who you know, was 220 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: all time leading score in Indiana when he left there, 221 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 1: won a national championship in eighty seven, was on that 222 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: Olympic team with Jordan. Didn't end up being much in 223 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 1: the in the in the NBA, but it was a great, 224 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: great college player and was a legendary Indiana high school player. 225 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 1: And he said he was telling a story about how 226 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: Bob Knight was known for kicking seniors out of practice, 227 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: like it was kind of that same thing, like I'm 228 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: going to send a message to the senior. Said, but 229 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: Alford was the only freshman that he ever kicked out 230 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: of practice. Is everybody knew how good he was, but 231 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: he said he would get on everybody and he's and 232 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 1: Alford said, I don't remember what year of this it was, 233 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 1: but he said, I came, I went and met with 234 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: coach and I said, Coach, you can dog custom me 235 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,679 Speaker 1: all you want, go after me, but don't do it 236 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: to this guy or that guy because they can't take it. 237 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:58,679 Speaker 1: So when you get mad at them and you want 238 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: to send them a message, you deliver it to me 239 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 1: because I can take it. I have the skin, the 240 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 1: thick skin to take that. So it was almost as well, 241 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: if not only going at hard at the best player. 242 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: But then I think kind of learning, I can't do 243 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:11,839 Speaker 1: that with this other guy. He's not gonna that's not 244 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 1: gonna work. 245 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 2: Well, I mean that's the that's the key to everything 246 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 2: and understanding that part of it. And like, look, everyone 247 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 2: wants to be treated fairly. You just can't necessarily treat 248 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 2: them equally because you have that's. 249 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 1: The John Wooden thing. 250 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, so you want to be fair with everybody, 251 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 2: but everyone like depending on where you are, like you 252 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 2: have to kind of change up your style and those things. 253 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 2: And you know, for Bob Knight to be able to 254 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:37,079 Speaker 2: do that, for great coaches to be able to recognize 255 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,959 Speaker 2: that is something. And so at a time when look, man, 256 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 2: it's a huge loss. It's a huge passing because what 257 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 2: I used to love about Bob Knight was and retirement 258 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:47,199 Speaker 2: when he would get on the telecast and teach the game. 259 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 2: DJ That's what I crave as a fan. I crave 260 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 2: the opportunity to learn and learn at the highest level 261 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 2: and to hear him talk about different things, out of bounds, play, 262 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 2: late game situations, all those things. To me, you could 263 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 2: see why he was able to win at such a 264 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 2: high level because he was a masterful teacher and tactician, 265 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 2: no doubt. 266 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: All right, let's take a quick break. When we come back, 267 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: we'll get into what's going on with the Raiders, the 268 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: changes there, and then we'll hit on these rookies right 269 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:21,079 Speaker 1: after this. All right, buck, let's get back to football here. 270 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels Dave Ziegler out. It was Halloween night, I 271 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 1: want to say ten o'clock or so. I was in 272 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 1: bed and I just checked my phone one time before 273 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:29,679 Speaker 1: I was going to shut it down for the night, 274 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: and I was like, that's pretty normal firing people in 275 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: the dead middle of the night here. But you know 276 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: the Raiders, that's you know, they they've been known to 277 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: make these decisions that at odd times not surprised that 278 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: they were let go in the middle of the year. 279 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 1: But at night, at that late it was a little 280 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:47,679 Speaker 1: bit was a little bit alarming. But let's get into why, 281 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 1: you know, why didn't this work? This was a team 282 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: if you remember, you know Gruden, thing happens. Rich Pasacia 283 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 1: takes over, they get into the playoffs with him in Mayock, 284 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 1: and then Mike gets let go. They decide to go 285 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 1: in a different direction and Rich Pasachia doesn't get the gig. 286 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:06,199 Speaker 1: They bring in Josh McDaniels. They fully invest in the 287 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 1: quote unquote Patriot way. David Ziegler comes in as well, 288 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: it didn't work. 289 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 2: Why uh you know, DJ, It's remarked one, you guys 290 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 2: actually inform you of the Raiders news, because when y'all 291 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 2: send the text about the Raiders news, I was like, 292 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 2: what Raiders news like? So then I have to go like, oh, 293 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 2: you got fired? I didn't know, Like, I'm just gonna 294 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 2: hang it out, DJ. I think it's so many lessons 295 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 2: to come out of the Josh McDaniels thing. One. I 296 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 2: think Matt Patricia struggled with this when he went to Detroit. 297 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 2: Sometimes when the team has a level of success, sometimes 298 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 2: you tweak what's going on. You don't completely tear down 299 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 2: what's going on. Meaning when you're the Raiders and you're 300 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:51,439 Speaker 2: ten and seven and you've had a modicum of success, 301 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 2: like it's not the ultimate in terms of retiement, but 302 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 2: you're inheriting a playoff team. So this team already feels 303 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 2: good about itself. They kind of feel like, Okay, we're 304 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 2: making some progress or whatever. When you come in and 305 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 2: you completely change what they've done, what you do is 306 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 2: you hold yourself. You kind of put yourself in a 307 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 2: position to be questioned and critique internally by the team 308 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 2: because the team is like, hey, we want a certain way, 309 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 2: while you coin with these different things that are so 310 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 2: drastically different than before. And if you're the coach and 311 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 2: you don't acknowledge the success that you previously had, then 312 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 2: it becomes a thing like hey man, like wait, hold on, 313 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 2: we won ten games like you're talking about we're terrible. 314 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 2: We're not this It doesn't work. And so I think 315 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 2: what you have to do is leadership is not one 316 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 2: size fits all. The way you build a team is 317 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 2: not whatever what works in New England may not work 318 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 2: somewhere else. They're different things, and so you have to 319 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 2: take the good in terms of what you learn from 320 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 2: a previous spot, and you have to be able to 321 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 2: implement it while also adapting and adjusting to the environment 322 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 2: that you're going to while retaining your own personality. It's 323 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 2: a trick to be able to do that, but I 324 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 2: think that's what went wrong. The Patriot Way is demanding 325 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 2: in those things. But if you don't have immediate success, 326 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 2: then the players begin to lose trust in you because 327 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 2: they did it a certain way and had success. Now 328 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 2: they're doing it your way and it's not working. Just 329 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 2: makes it very, very difficult to bounce back from that. 330 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 2: And the ultimate thing that you have to have in 331 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 2: this business is commitment, accountability, and trust. And if you 332 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 2: don't have that trust by developing those relationships, it's really 333 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 2: hard to get it going. 334 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: I wrote this down as you're talking. I was thinking 335 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 1: about it. It's okay to lose games if you're winning players. 336 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 1: You can't lose players and lose games while you're losing. 337 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: You can't be losing the games and losing the players 338 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: at the same time. That's never gonna work. Like you 339 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: have to find a balance, say hey, we're not gonna 340 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: you know, maybe we're not going to be good right now. 341 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: We've made some changes and we're going it's gonna be 342 00:15:57,280 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: a slow process, but man, we're gonna get buy in. 343 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: We're gonna get the players believing in what we're doing. 344 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: And then even if we're losing some games, you think about, 345 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 1: you know, the Lions early on losing some games, but man, 346 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: we kind of we buy into this guy, We buy 347 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: into this vision, this you know, the positivity that they 348 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 1: had there. But man, when you're getting beaten down and 349 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: it's negative, and I won't use the word toxic, but 350 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: it's just kind of it's a debbie downer environment and 351 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: we're losing games. It's like you lost the players and 352 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: the games. That's where you can't come back. Like you 353 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 1: have to be winning players while you're losing games. So 354 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: eventually get to the point where you're doing both. You're 355 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: winning games and you've won the players. 356 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, it has to be that. And I thought it 357 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 2: was interesting because I sat and listened to the press 358 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 2: with Antonio Pears and cham Kelly who took over as 359 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 2: general manager and head coach respectively, and man, the common 360 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 2: thing was a lot positivity building them up, going after it, 361 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 2: but having fun, making it about the players, making sure 362 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 2: that the best players had the biggest impact on the 363 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 2: games things. That sounds simple as if we were talking 364 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 2: we talked the Bruce Felman last week about flag football 365 00:16:57,160 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 2: or whatever. Hey man, it's a player's game. Put put 366 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 2: the ball in the hands of the best play and 367 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 2: kind of figure it out. There is something to that, 368 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 2: and everyone wants a discipline environment. We're attention to detail 369 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,880 Speaker 2: is welcome, but there's a way to do that while 370 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 2: still kind of having a positive vibe and energy about 371 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 2: the thing. And I think, particularly in today's game, with 372 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 2: today's players, you have to find that that delicateut. Guys 373 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:28,120 Speaker 2: want to be coach hard, but you better make sure 374 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 2: that you love them up enough so when you do 375 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:33,400 Speaker 2: coach them hard, they know that it's not personal. It's 376 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 2: just a professional opinion. It's not a personal thing that 377 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 2: you're coming in. 378 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think you know, we were just talking 379 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 1: earlier about Bob Knight and the juxtaposition here, We're like, 380 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:44,120 Speaker 1: wholl gosh, you guys sit there and you're positive about 381 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 1: Bob Knight, and then you're sitting here you're down on 382 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 1: what's going on with the Raiders, and we're not saying 383 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 1: that it's the exact same thing. But it's a different time. 384 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: And we talked about you talked about Mike Krzyzewski kind 385 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:55,400 Speaker 1: of evolving and changing a little bit of how you're 386 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:58,360 Speaker 1: doing business. Nick Saban's evolved and changed a little bit. 387 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:00,199 Speaker 1: I feel like, and I don't want to love all 388 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: the Patriot guys together, because Rabel has done a really 389 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 1: nice job, you know, over his time in Tennessee, but 390 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 1: it feels like a lot of them, man, they haven't 391 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 1: been able to flip that switch. And you know what, 392 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 1: when you're Bill Belichick and you have all the full 393 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:15,159 Speaker 1: trophy case and in a way of doing it and 394 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: it's and it's worked, it's easier sales pitch to the players, 395 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:22,400 Speaker 1: it's you know, you're you're not going to be able 396 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:24,680 Speaker 1: to sell that when you're losing games like this. It's 397 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 1: just not going to happen. 398 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 2: I think it was interesting we talked about the Patriot 399 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:30,199 Speaker 2: the Patriot Way and the guys who've come out of 400 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,239 Speaker 2: that program that have had suggests. I would say Mike 401 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 2: Rabel has probably been the only one to have suggests. 402 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 2: I think it's different because Mike Rabel, being a player, 403 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 2: he understands probably out of taking the Patriot Way what's 404 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 2: necessary and what's unnecessary. When it comes to his team. 405 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: He doesn't major on the miners like some of these 406 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 1: guys major in the miners, like they're worried about is 407 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: this information getting out? And it's just like, dude, stop, 408 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 1: just go coach your team and go in a football game. 409 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:59,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, because when I talk to guys from there, I've 410 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:01,399 Speaker 2: always been in red by like what they did, and 411 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 2: I always loved like the teaching aspect of it. I 412 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 2: love the toughness and the physicality and those things. I 413 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:09,680 Speaker 2: always weren't worried and look, I played for a disciple 414 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 2: of that that Parcels school, like in Tom Coughlin, where 415 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 2: it was demanding and you know sometimes it could border 416 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:19,640 Speaker 2: on being demeaning in terms of just just it comes 417 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,880 Speaker 2: more from a negative standpoint than a positive standpoint, which 418 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:24,639 Speaker 2: was different because you've seen it more of the stick 419 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 2: than the carrot. Yeah, And so for me it was 420 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 2: hard because I come from mac Brown, which is all carrot, 421 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 2: and then those guys are like stick, Like it's hard 422 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 2: to kind of figure out like how to deal with that, 423 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 2: and you just kind of have to evolve and do 424 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 2: those things. And you're right, DJ, because of the guys 425 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:44,959 Speaker 2: who come out of the program and the guys that 426 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:48,439 Speaker 2: the Patriots have traditionally hired as coaches, some of them 427 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 2: from smaller schools. Some of them you know, like and 428 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 2: like they're smart in those things, but I would say 429 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 2: maybe they're on major in people skills. And I've always 430 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 2: thought that if you could take the discipline and the 431 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 2: detail the Patriots but also have a positive spin on it, man, 432 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:06,160 Speaker 2: imagine how much you can win. And we just haven't 433 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 2: seen enough guys that have been able to come out 434 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 2: of that environment and be able to put it together 435 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 2: like that. And so we'll see, because man, I think 436 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 2: this obviously damages the brand because you've seen so many 437 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 2: coaches come out of there. Eric Mangini, I mean Romeo, 438 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 2: like it is not a good track record, but those 439 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 2: guys that are coming out of the Bagel. 440 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 1: O'Brien had a little bit of success, but then it 441 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 1: kind of got away from him. 442 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 2: Joe Judge, I mean it. I mean Dave Alda kind 443 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:36,679 Speaker 2: of has some of that, like he did it, but 444 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 2: I think he was away from it enough where people 445 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 2: don't really love him with that. But it hasn't been great. 446 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: But I want to say the similarity to because did 447 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 1: Patri was Patricia right after Caldwell? Yes, and they had 448 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 1: one right, they had one similar thing with the Raider. 449 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 1: We like the other guys and we won. Now you're 450 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:58,919 Speaker 1: a jerk. I'm not saying this about these guys, but 451 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 1: like the the the outside end is like, well, now 452 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 1: I got to listen to all this this stuff. This 453 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 1: guy's all over me and we're not even winning. I 454 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: had a good dude here before, and we were winning games. 455 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: Like what are we doing? 456 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 2: That is the hard part? And so let's think about 457 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 2: rich Pasacia, right, because it wouldn't be the Grouth, it'd 458 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 2: be Pisacia because they won with rich, special teams, coach, 459 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 2: great personality, all this stuff. They were winning. 460 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 1: Bengals down to the wire and the playoffs. 461 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 2: And so you now go from that to maybe a 462 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:32,360 Speaker 2: negative Nancy type and you're having a hard time understanding, like, man, 463 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 2: everything is bad, but guess what, we're still not winning. 464 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 2: We're harping on all these things about taking care of 465 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 2: the ball or whatever, but we're still an undisciplined team 466 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,679 Speaker 2: and we're not playing the right way. There was some 467 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 2: disconnect between it and we you know, look, man, Devanta 468 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 2: Adams is like like great dude, like personalities whatever. When 469 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 2: you see this frustration visibly on the sideline that you 470 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 2: knew it wasn't going. But I'll say this the reason 471 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 2: why I didn't work there are made of transactions didn't 472 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:05,880 Speaker 2: pay off. Jimmy Garoppolo, Chandler Jones, those guys didn't give 473 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 2: them what they thought. 474 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: Look at their high pick and Tyree Wilson, Tyri Wilson. 475 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,919 Speaker 2: When you make those moves, those major moves, those major changes, 476 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 2: you usher out Derek Carr, you bring in a quarterback, 477 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 2: and look, man, you can't fool the players. If the 478 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 2: players don't believe that Jimmy Garoppolo was as good as 479 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,880 Speaker 2: Derek Carr, or if he wasn't the dude that Derek 480 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 2: Carr was, this makes it very difficult. And it didn't 481 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 2: work out. And when those moves don't work out, man 482 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 2: puts you under the scope. Yeah, and we both know Champ. 483 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 2: Happy for Champ. He's literally one of the best dudes. 484 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 2: He's had a great reputation in the league, especially in 485 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 2: personnel circles, for a very long time. So he gets 486 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 2: his opportunity as interim GM. Hopefully they give him a 487 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 2: legit shot at that as well. Yeah, and like not 488 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 2: only chance, because I had a chance like interacting with 489 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 2: a little bit via text. And so look, you're happy 490 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 2: for good dudes when good dudes have an opportunity, But 491 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 2: how about this and tell you appears I mean years ago, 492 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 2: I mean like recently. This dude was a head high 493 00:22:55,680 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 2: school coach out here in California, Long Beach Polo. He 494 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 2: or at least dad to opportunity with the Giants, and 495 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:04,520 Speaker 2: then he goes to Arizona State and now he has 496 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 2: a chance to kind of got his own thing. And 497 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,200 Speaker 2: the thing that they all talked about was not about 498 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,400 Speaker 2: the x'es and o's, but they needed a leader. They 499 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,439 Speaker 2: needed someone that could get him going and to be 500 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 2: the stuff. And I'm not saying Ap has to be 501 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 2: the guy that has all the x's and o even 502 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 2: though he's a great X and o's guy. All he 503 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 2: has to do is make sure that they play in 504 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 2: energy and effort and toughness because the players are good 505 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 2: enough for them to win. They have players that can win. 506 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 2: It's now about hey man, let's go play. And so 507 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:34,920 Speaker 2: I'm excited to see what Ap does now that he's 508 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 2: got his opportunity to kind of run his own show. 509 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 1: Now he is going to run with the roocky quarterback 510 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 1: Aidan O'Connell out of Purdue the bench. Garoppolo, he's gonna 511 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:46,120 Speaker 1: roll to DJ man, Look, I was at the game. 512 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 1: When I was at the game, I mean, Garppolo has 513 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: played Terror, but I was at the game on Khalil 514 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 1: Max sac Aidan O'Connell six times. So I'm like, I 515 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:56,199 Speaker 1: would caution against like expectations getting too carried away for 516 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 1: this offense getting fixed. 517 00:23:57,960 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't think he's fixed about I think he 518 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 2: probably gets if you go into the game plan thing. 519 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 2: Hey man, Josh Jake, you go touch the ball twenty 520 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 2: to twenty five times, Lante Adams, you have ten to 521 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 2: fifteen targets hitd your way. We started there and everybody 522 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 2: else eats off of That is different. But look, man, 523 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 2: ain't o'conin couldn't be any worse than Brian Horey was 524 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,119 Speaker 2: when he started. You know, Jimmy Garoppolo was turned the 525 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 2: ball over and he's been off injured. Like one thing 526 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,159 Speaker 2: we'll say about franchise quarterback. Your franchise quarterback got to 527 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 2: show up every week. It's too hard in this league 528 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 2: to play when your quarterback is not available for sixteen 529 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,400 Speaker 2: or seventeen eight. It's just a hard deal. Like that's 530 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 2: just the reality of the situation. Your quarterback has to 531 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,919 Speaker 2: be there, no doubt. Speaking of rookies, let's get to 532 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:40,359 Speaker 2: these rookie impact scores here again. This is our formula 533 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 2: our buddy Jack puts together where we assign points to 534 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,360 Speaker 2: not only production but playtime as well to find out 535 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 2: which individuals as well as which teams are getting the 536 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:53,400 Speaker 2: most impact from the rookies. So individually, last week, Jamier Gibbs, 537 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 2: he was the he was the highest score. Jordan Addison 538 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 2: right behind him. C J. 539 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 1: Stroud will leve Us with the big day with the 540 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 1: four touchdowns, Bryce Young Laporta, the tight end who seems 541 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: like he's been on here every week, and joined by 542 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 1: another tight end in Dalton Kincaid right behind him. 543 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 2: But Buck. 544 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,120 Speaker 1: When we're looking at the teams with the biggest impact 545 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: scores this week coming off Week eight, it was the Lions, 546 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 1: the Seahawks, the Cardinals, the Bears, and the Texans. To me, 547 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: I would probably just start right up there at the top, man. 548 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: I you know, I think Dan Campbell gets a lot 549 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 1: of credit. Brad Holmes gets a lot of credit for 550 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 1: the decisions they've made and how they've run this franchise 551 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 1: since they've got there. But man, let's give not only 552 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,199 Speaker 1: picking the right guys, but these guys getting on the 553 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: field right away and making an immediate impact two years 554 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: in a row. 555 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 2: Man, Yeah, I love it, DJ, I love I love 556 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 2: what we're seeing it from the Detroit Lions. And we 557 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,399 Speaker 2: talk about the synergy, right, it's not a coincidents that 558 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,360 Speaker 2: the Lions and the Seahawks are up there, because there's 559 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 2: a direct correlation between the synergy between the coaching staff 560 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 2: and the front office in terms of picking the players 561 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 2: but then playing the players. Yeah. One of the difficult 562 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 2: things from our standpoint is, you know, you can be 563 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 2: a scout and we can say all these great things 564 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:02,680 Speaker 2: about hey, this player can come in and do these things, 565 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 2: but the coaches have to buy it and believe that 566 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 2: they're going to give a guy an opportunity to kind 567 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 2: of work through some of those growing pains. And when 568 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 2: the general manager and the head coach are in lockstep, 569 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,199 Speaker 2: it allows those guys to get their opportunities because the 570 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 2: only way you can play in league's you got to 571 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 2: get on the field and you got to play, and 572 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:23,479 Speaker 2: you have to have enough patience to kind of, you know, 573 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 2: grow with the young players as they're doing it. The 574 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 2: Detroit Lions have done it. Aaron Lynn did a really 575 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 2: good job last year with a bunch of young guys 576 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 2: on defense, kind of threw them out there. And then 577 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 2: what he did is he changed in the off season 578 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 2: with the defense to allow those young guys to play 579 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 2: and play at a high level. And then offensively, you 580 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 2: talk about Jimier Gibbs and Sam la Porter, I'll say this, 581 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 2: ben Jo, we haven't even really seen. James Williams is 582 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 2: in rookie, but he's a young player, might as well 583 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:52,640 Speaker 2: be a rookie. But somehow, some way, they're getting these 584 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 2: young guys to not only understand what to do, but 585 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 2: they're doing it at a high level right out the gate. 586 00:26:58,040 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 2: And that's been great to see. 587 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: To hit your thoughts on this one real quick. If 588 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 1: you think it, look at the Lions. Jamiir Gibbs obviously Alabama, 589 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 1: Brian Branch Alabama, pair of teammates coming in, Sam Laporta 590 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: comes in as well as Jack Campbell, pair of teammates 591 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: from Iowa. You look at the Seahawks, Jake Bobo, who's 592 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,880 Speaker 1: been great out of U. C l A, Sharbonne out 593 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: of U c l A. It's interesting just see they've 594 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 1: they've doubled down on some of these guys from the 595 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,920 Speaker 1: same school. It's just that it caught me. It caught 596 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 1: my attention a little bit there. 597 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,880 Speaker 2: So I would go beyond the teammate thing. But let's 598 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 2: talk about the brands and and where they're coming from. 599 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 2: So when we think about UH, Alabama and Iowa successful programs, 600 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 2: winning programs, winning programs for a long time NFL background, 601 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 2: with the NFL background, they've they've done those things. They 602 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,479 Speaker 2: come in they understand it. Okay, UCLA, that's great. When 603 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 2: you talk about the NFL background. Chip Kelly coach in 604 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 2: the National Football League for while he has been a 605 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,400 Speaker 2: head coach at two different spots. Those guys come in 606 00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 2: like pros DJ. When we were scouts, we always talked 607 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 2: about Amen, let's get guys from winning programs who are captains, 608 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:09,879 Speaker 2: who understand what it's like, the sacrifice that is necessary 609 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 2: to play at a high level. You're getting that, and 610 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 2: those guys are playing well and they're playing successfully. I'll 611 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,160 Speaker 2: say this about the lines, and I will be intrigued 612 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 2: can see if they can continue to do it. There's 613 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 2: a lot made a couple of years ago when Dan 614 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 2: Campbell put together his coaching staff. He had a bunch 615 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:30,640 Speaker 2: of former players on that staff. I do wonder when 616 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 2: we see their level of success, I do wonder if 617 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 2: more teams are gonna look at that. If the players, 618 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 2: the former players are good teachers. Is there an advantage 619 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 2: to having someone that's kind of walked in those shoes 620 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,960 Speaker 2: when it comes to the young players and guiding them 621 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 2: and getting them going. That fraternity is different. I just 622 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 2: wonder when you look at the lines and you see 623 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 2: so many guys that have kind of donned the pass 624 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 2: at the National Football League level, where there be more 625 00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 2: guys that are more cultable with a bunch of players. 626 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 2: Because I see it everyone week in Jacksonville. I just 627 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 2: wonder if more teams would do that, particularly when you 628 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 2: start playing younger players right away. 629 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 1: I also don't think it's a mystery that the Eagles 630 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 1: are the best team in the NFC and all they 631 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 1: do is shop at Georgia and Alabama. You don't have 632 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 1: to teach guys how to be pros you teach them. 633 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 1: You can teach them your scheme, but they've been taught. 634 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 1: Like we talked about having teachers on your staff, those 635 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,239 Speaker 1: players have been taught. They've been taught technique, they've been 636 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 1: taught how you know, how you treat yourself, how you 637 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 1: take care of your body, all those different things that 638 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 1: a lot of guys have to come in the league 639 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 1: and make that adjustment and then we'll try and teach 640 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 1: you our scheme and technique. Like that, they are way 641 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 1: ahead of the curve with all those dudes, so let's 642 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 1: continue to expand that. 643 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 2: Right. So last year in Detroit we saw Aiden Hudson 644 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 2: have immediate success coming from Michigan. Big time program operates 645 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 2: like an NFL program. Jim Harlem or NFL head coach 646 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 2: good a program those things. It's not a mystery. And 647 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 2: we used to say it every year where we're sitting 648 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 2: in those meeting rooms. You know, sometimes there's something about 649 00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 2: shopping at the schools they went all the time in 650 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 2: college because guess what they' players have a tendency to 651 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 2: understand what it's like and if you can take players 652 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 2: from those programming years ago. Clemson was one of those 653 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,959 Speaker 2: programs that was recognized you're all in this up. There 654 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 2: is something to being prepared at a lower level so 655 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 2: when they step into the league, it's not all new 656 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 2: to them in terms of how to go and how 657 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 2: to be a pro. 658 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: No doubt. All right, we got to run. This was 659 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 1: a fun one today. We appreciate you guys hanging with us. 660 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 1: Appreciate you guys listening to show five days a week. 661 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 1: I also have our video show every Tuesday. You can 662 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 1: check that out on the Fast Channel as well. So 663 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 1: appreciate you and we'll see you next time. Right here on, 664 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 1: Move the sticks.