1 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Savor production of I Heart Radio. 2 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: I'm Annie Reese and I'm Lauren Bogelbaum, and today we've 3 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 1: got an episode for you about Console and Gretel, including 4 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: a reading of said story. Yes, it's another food fairy tale. 5 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:25,080 Speaker 1: It's been a minute since we've done one of these. Yeah. 6 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 1: We meant to get one together for Alice in Wonderland. Um, 7 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 1: way way back when the quarantine started. Um, we started 8 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: talking about that, and then it never happened because, as 9 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: it turns out, we're busy and the world is on 10 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: fire and that was all distracting. Yes, but we do 11 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 1: intend to do that. It's yeah, it's right there. It's 12 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 1: the outline exists. Yeah, some preliminary casting. I think it's 13 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: going to be great. It is, yeah. Yeah. But in 14 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: the meantime, though, we're not doing that when we're doing 15 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: Ansol and Gretel for Halloween, because as this comes out, 16 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:08,960 Speaker 1: hopefully it's Halloween ish approximately. You know, schedules are weird, 17 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: but that's it's a pretty freaky, freaky story. It is. 18 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:18,839 Speaker 1: It's been adapted into many a horror movie, um, also 19 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:22,399 Speaker 1: many a children's story, and so I love that line. 20 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 1: I love that line of like, is it fun for 21 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: kids or is it gonna just scare the absolute pants 22 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: off of you? Yeah, that is a fun line, um, 23 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 1: But yeah, these are one of our very favorite things 24 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: to do. So we got to work with some of 25 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: our excellent coworkers who you'll hear, yes, yes, very very excited. 26 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 1: But I guess we should get to our question. Hansel 27 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 1: and Gretel, what is it? Well? Hansel and Gretel is 28 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: a story made famous by the brothers grim A k A. 29 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: Jacob and Wilhelm grim Um. These two were born in 30 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: the seven teen eighties in Germany and helped raise their 31 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: three younger siblings after their parents died Um at a 32 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: fairly young age, and this was a time of a 33 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 1: great upheaval in Europe. The Napoleonic Wars were raging Um 34 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:13,639 Speaker 1: and part of the part of the work that Jacob 35 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: and Philhelm were doing, both in school and in Wilhelm's 36 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 1: job as a librarian, was in the emerging field of philology, 37 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: that is the study of language in written and oral 38 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: texts throughout history, and the two would actually go on 39 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: to do some pioneering work in tracing these sound shifts 40 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: in the German language. Um and and in founding the 41 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: German dictionary UM. But in eighteen o eight, when they 42 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: were each in their early twenties, this poet friend of 43 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: theirs was working on a book of literary fairy tales 44 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: and asked them to collect any folk tales that they 45 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: might be able to find for him. And this poet 46 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: wound up abandoning the project. But the brothers published their 47 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 1: collection themselves in these two volumes UM eight six tales 48 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:58,119 Speaker 1: in eighteen twelve, and then another seventy tails three years 49 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: later for a hundred and fifty total stories. And uh 50 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: and this was the first edition of kinder Wound, House 51 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 1: Marching or Children's and Household Tales. And in it um 52 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: a story called Hansel and the Grittel appeared. And many 53 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: put the origins of this story, which we've all probably 54 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 1: heard the fourteenth century, specifically the Great Famine of thirteen 55 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:30,519 Speaker 1: fifteen to thirteen seventeen that left millions dead across Europe. Yeah, 56 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 1: and in these years kicked off a few hundred years 57 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: in which the climate in Europe was colder, the weather 58 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: was rainier, the harvests were worse, Livestock got sick, people 59 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: got sick, and starvation set in the situation was so 60 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: horrific that parents would sometimes abandon their children to care 61 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: for themselves or to presumably die, to starve to death. 62 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: And on top of that, there were rumors of cannibalism, 63 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: and from these rumors came oral stories of children love 64 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: to survive on their own and falling prey to a 65 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: stranger that intended to eat them, and uh rumors and 66 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: and stories like this, like Hansel and Gretel Um are 67 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: found in the oral tradition throughout Europe. Um though like 68 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 1: the number of children involved and the specific villain involved 69 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: will differ in Russia, Baba Yaga might show up elsewhere 70 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 1: there's a devil or a demon rather than a witch. Um. Yeah, 71 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 1: there's this French song. I feel like I brought it 72 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 1: up on the show before because such an upbeat two 73 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: and I was listening to it and I was like, 74 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 1: wait a minute, that I just chop up those kids 75 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: and put them in soup and then feed them to 76 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: Santa Clailes. Is that? Yeah? All right? Cool? They everything 77 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: works out, Santa works as magic and the kids are fine. 78 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: But yes, this story of Hansel and Gretel, the stories 79 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: like it, they were shared over the generations until the 80 00:04:56,480 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: brothers Graham wrote down Hansel and Gretel and popularized it, 81 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,280 Speaker 1: and the specific version that they recorded may have come 82 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: from bill Helm's wife, Henriette Um or from her family Um. 83 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: A marginal note in that first edition indicates that she 84 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: was helping with the adaptation. But things changed over the 85 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: next fifty years, and when the final Grim audition was 86 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: published in eighty seven, it was no longer super chill 87 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: to have a fairy tale about parents abandoning their children. 88 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: Cannibalism still cool, though, that's fine, but let's let's look 89 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 1: at this abandonment thing. So some changes were made. The 90 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 1: mother was rewritten as an evil stepmother, uh, and the 91 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: father was painted in a far more sympathetic light. Yeah. 92 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: And they were fined pretty much all of the stories 93 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: pretty intensely over those four or five decades. That eighteen 94 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: fifty seven version is is considered. Yeah, that the definitive addition. 95 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: It has two tales, and will Helm really shifted the 96 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 1: stories from their original oral tradition style to him more 97 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 1: literary style in the interest of appealing to the public. 98 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 1: And appeal it did Um the stories and it would 99 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 1: be translated and adapted extensively um. And so you know, 100 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 1: though they weren't originally meant for children specifically, and like 101 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: most were tales that have been passed among adult oral 102 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:21,720 Speaker 1: storytellers who were like getting each other through these days 103 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:24,840 Speaker 1: and nights of hard labor um. And and even though 104 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 1: the collection of those stories was part of this like 105 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 1: very specifically German nationalist movement that was growing, the stories 106 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: do have these universal themes, these these just wildly relatable 107 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: fears and hopes um and in hauntsl and gretel, you've 108 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: got um, You've got these tropes of abandonment, of being 109 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: lost and hungry, of being prey um, and also of 110 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: outwitting a foe and finding hope and and reunion um. 111 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: But some of those details can can really shift from 112 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: version to version. Oh yeah, it changed a lot to 113 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 1: reflect the morals of whatever time it was being told. 114 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 1: The opera by ingle Bear Humper Dink switched it back 115 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: to the cold mother, but she only sent them out 116 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: to pick strawberries instead of you know, sending them out 117 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: to die. Uh. In a nineteen fifty one stop motion version, 118 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: the children decided to go into the woods all on 119 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: their own. Nineteen eighties three TV version was essentially sending 120 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: the message don't take candy from strangers. That's sort of 121 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: how I always took it when I was a kid. Uh, 122 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: Hansel and Gretel which hunters came out and Hansel and 123 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: Gretel get baked, which is what you think it is. 124 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: Then in a Neil Gaiman and illustrator Lorenzo Mattadi produced 125 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: a book depicting Hansel and Girdl as modern day refugees 126 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: desperate four food. Oh wow, um, but yeah. There have 127 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: been so many adaptations from Germany and America and Wales 128 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: and Lithuania and South Korea. Just this year, a horror 129 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: film called Gretel and Hansel premiered um, which I have 130 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: not seen. Um, I've heard it's good. Have you Have 131 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: you seen that one? I haven't, but I'm intrigued. Do 132 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: you think they switched the sorder of the names because 133 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: they were like that name is already taken or they 134 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: chine it was like some sort of feminist like, know, all, 135 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 1: let's put yeah Gretel first. From from the little bit 136 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: that I've read about it, um, it sounds like they're 137 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: really emphasizing, um, Gretel's role and and her kind of 138 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: developing her character a little bit beyond um. In the 139 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 1: original telling, she's the younger of the two siblings, and uh, 140 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 1: and she doesn't she doesn't really do anything other than 141 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: like cry until the last, like the like penultimate moment 142 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 1: of the thing, and then she really comes through. But 143 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: but there's been a lot of um, like feminist theory 144 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: and critical theory written about um, about that character and 145 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 1: about women in general in this story. And we'll we'll 146 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 1: get into that a little bit um afterwards. Uh. But 147 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: you know, well, we'll let you let you hear hear 148 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: the tale for yourself. And on that note, I did 149 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: want to say, Um, the text that we're using today 150 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: is mostly the translation that the philologist Margaret Hunt published 151 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 1: in eighteen eighty four, which was meant to be like 152 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 1: scholarly literature to be studied by adults, um, and has 153 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: just some really lovely, weird, dark turns of phrase, and 154 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 1: it's phrasing as kind of purposefully old timey like like 155 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: even then it was like preserving a lot of the 156 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 1: these and thousand stuff like that. So I did throw 157 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: in a few bits from another translation published in eighteen 158 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 1: eighty two by Lucy Crane, which was meant to be 159 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 1: more like like reading for fun, and it's a little 160 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:45,079 Speaker 1: bit more more modern and flowing mostly in the dialogue 161 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: because because I I don't know, Yeah, I like. I 162 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: like both for for different reasons. But that's that's what 163 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: I was feeling. Um, and so yeah, I guess. Uh. 164 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 1: Without further ado, let's well, let's take a quick break 165 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: for a word from our sponsor, and then let's get 166 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 1: into the story. Yeah, and we're back. Thank you, sponsor, Yes, 167 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 1: thank you. And here is Hansel and Gretel. Hard by 168 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: a great forest dwelt a poor woodcutter with his wife 169 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: and their two children. The boy was called Hansel and 170 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: the girl Grettel. He had little to bite and to break, 171 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: and once, when great scarcity fell upon the land, the 172 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: man could not even gain the daily bread. As he 173 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: lay in bed one night, thinking of this and turney 174 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 1: and tossing, he groaned and said to his wife, what 175 00:10:56,640 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: will become of us? How are we to eat our 176 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 1: poor children when we no longer have anything even for ourselves. 177 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 1: The woman answered, I'll tell you what, husband. We will 178 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:12,079 Speaker 1: take the children early in the morning into the forest 179 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: where it is thickest. There we will light a fire 180 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 1: for them, and give each of them one piece of 181 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: bread more, and then we will go to our work 182 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: and leave them alone. They will never find the way 183 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: home again, and we shall be rid of them. No, wife, 184 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: I will not do that. I cannot find in my 185 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: heart to take my children into the forest and to 186 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 1: leave them there alone. The wild animals would soon come 187 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 1: and tear them to pieces. Oh, you fool, then we 188 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 1: must all four die of hunger. You may as well 189 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: plane the planks for our coffins. And she left him 190 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:52,439 Speaker 1: no peace until he consented. But I feel very sorry 191 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 1: for the poor children all the same. The two children 192 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 1: had also not been able to sleep for hunger, and 193 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 1: had heard what their stepmother had said to their father. 194 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: Gretel wept bitter tears. Now all is over with us. 195 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 1: Do be quiet, Gretel, and do not fret. I will 196 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: manage something. And when the old folks had fallen his sleep, 197 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 1: he got up. He put on his little coat, opened 198 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: the door below, and crept outside. The moon shone brightly, 199 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: and the white pebbles which lay in front of the 200 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 1: house glittered like real silver pennies. Hansel stooped and put 201 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: as many of them in the little pocket of his 202 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: coat as he could possibly get in. Then he went 203 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:41,839 Speaker 1: back and said to Gretel, be comforted, dear little sister, 204 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 1: and sleep in peace. God will not forsake us. And 205 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: he lay down again in his bed. When day was breaking, 206 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: and before the sun had risen, the woman came and 207 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:58,959 Speaker 1: awoke the two children. Get up, you sluggards. We are 208 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 1: going into the fourth fetch wood. There is something for 209 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 1: your dinner, but do not eat it up before then, 210 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 1: for you will get nothing else. And she gave each 211 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: a little piece of bread. Gretel took the bread under 212 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 1: her apron, as Hansel had the stones in his pocket. 213 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: Then they all set out together on the way to 214 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: the forest. When they had walked a short time, Hansel 215 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 1: stood still and peered back at the house, and did 216 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 1: so again and again. Hansel, what are you looking at? 217 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:34,199 Speaker 1: Mind yourself, and do not forget how to use your 218 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:37,679 Speaker 1: legs A father, I was looking at my little white cat, 219 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: which is sitting up on the roof, and wants to 220 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 1: say goodbye to me. Full That is not your little cat. 221 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 1: That is a morning sun which is shining on the chimneys. Hansel, however, 222 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: had not been looking back at the cat, but had 223 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: been constantly throwing one of the white pebble stones out 224 00:13:56,280 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 1: of his pocket onto the road. When he had reached 225 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:04,679 Speaker 1: the middle of the forest, the father said, now, children, 226 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 1: pile up some wood, and I will light a fire 227 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: that you may not be cold. Hansel and Gretel gathered 228 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: brushwood together as high as a little hill. The brushwood 229 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: was lighted, and when the flames were burning very high, 230 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 1: the woman said, now, children, lay yourselves down by the 231 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: fire and rest. We will go into the forest and 232 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: cut some wood. When we have done, we will come 233 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: back and fetch you away. Hansel and Gretel sat by 234 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: the fire, and when noon came, each ate a little 235 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: piece of bread, And as they heard the strokes of 236 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: the wood axe, they believed that their father was near. 237 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: It was not, however, the axe. It was a branch 238 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: which he had fastened to a withered tree, which the 239 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: wind was blowing backwards and forwards. And as they had 240 00:14:56,440 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: been sitting such a long time, their eyes shut with tea, 241 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: and they fell fast asleep. When at last they awoke, 242 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: it was already dark night, and Gretel began to cry, 243 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: how are we to get out of the forest now? 244 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: But Hansel comforted her and said, just wait a little 245 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: until the moon has risen, and then we will soon 246 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: find the way. And when the full moon had risen, 247 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: Hansel took his little sister by the hand and followed 248 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: the pebbles, which shone like newly coined silver pieces, and 249 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 1: showed them the way. They walked the whole night long, 250 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: and by break of day came once more to their 251 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: parents house. They knocked at the door, and when the 252 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: woman opened it and saw that it was Hansel and Gretel, 253 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: she said, you naughty children. Why have you slept so 254 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: long in the forest. We thought you were never coming 255 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: back at all. The father, however, rejoiced before it had 256 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: cut him to the heart to leave them both in 257 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 1: the woods alone. And not long afterwards there was once 258 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: again great scarcity in those parts, and the children heard 259 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: their mothers saying at night to their father, everything is 260 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: eaten again. We have only half a loaf left, and 261 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 1: after that the tail comes to an end. The children 262 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: must be off. We will take them farther into the 263 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 1: wood this time, so that they shall not be able 264 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: to find the way back again. There is no other 265 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: way to manage. But the man's heart was heavy, and 266 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 1: he thought it would be better to share one's last 267 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 1: morsel with one's children. The woman, however, would listen to 268 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: nothing that he had to say, but scolded and reproached him. 269 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: He who says a must say be, And likewise, when 270 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: a man is given in once, he has to do 271 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 1: it a second time. But the children were still awake 272 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: and had heard this conversation. When the old folks were asleep, 273 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: hands again got up, meaning to go out and pick 274 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: up pebbles, as he had done before, but the woman 275 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 1: had locked the door when Hansel could not get out. Nevertheless, 276 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: he comforted his little sister, don't cry at all, and 277 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 1: go to sleep quietly, and God will help us. Early 278 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 1: in the morning, the woman came and pulled the children 279 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 1: from their beds. She gave them each a little piece 280 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: of bread, but it was even smaller than the time before. 281 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:32,159 Speaker 1: On the way into the forest, Hansel crumbled his in 282 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: his pocket and often stood still and threw a morsel 283 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 1: upon the ground. Hansel, what are you stopping and staring for? 284 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 1: Go on? I'm looking back at my little pigeon. It's 285 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:47,159 Speaker 1: sitting on the roof. And what's to say goodbye to me? Simpleton? 286 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: That is not your little pigeon. That is a morning 287 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 1: sun that is shining on the chimney. Hansel, however, little 288 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:58,399 Speaker 1: by little, threw all the crumbs on the path. The 289 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:02,160 Speaker 1: woman led the children's still deeper into the forest, where 290 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 1: they had never in their lives been before. Then a 291 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 1: great fire was again made, and the mother said, just 292 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: sit there, you children, and when you are tired, you 293 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: may sleep a little. We are going away into the 294 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:16,439 Speaker 1: forest to cut wood, and then the evening, when we 295 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: are done, you will come and fetch you away. When 296 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: it was new, Gretel shared her piece of bread with Hansel, 297 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 1: who had scattered his by the way. Then they fell asleep, 298 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 1: and evening came and went, but no one came to 299 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:35,679 Speaker 1: the poor children. They did not awake until it was 300 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: dark night, and Hansel again comforted his little sister and said, 301 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: just wait, Gretel until the moon rises, and then we'll 302 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: see the crumbs of bread I dropped. They will show 303 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 1: us our way home again. When the moon came, they 304 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: set out, but they found no crumbs, for the birds 305 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 1: of the woods in the fields had come and packed 306 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 1: them all up. Hansel thought they might find the way 307 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:03,919 Speaker 1: all the same, but they could not. They walked the 308 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: whole night and all the next day too, from morning 309 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 1: till evening. But they did not get out of the forest, 310 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 1: and they could not find the way out of the wood. 311 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 1: And they were very, very hungry, for they had nothing 312 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: to eat but the few berries they could pick up. 313 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 1: And when they were so weary that their legs would 314 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 1: carry them no longer, they lay down beneath a tree 315 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 1: and fell asleep. It was now three mornings since they 316 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:38,439 Speaker 1: had left their father's house. They began to walk again, 317 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: but they only found themselves deeper in the forest, and 318 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 1: if help had not soon come, they would have starved. 319 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 1: But when it was midday, they saw a beautiful snow 320 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:54,400 Speaker 1: white birds sitting atop a bough, and soon so sweetly 321 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:58,160 Speaker 1: that they stopped to listen. And when it had finished 322 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: its song, it spread its we and flew away before them. 323 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 1: And they followed the bird until they came to a 324 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: little house, and the bird perched on the roof. And 325 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: when they came nearer they saw the house was built 326 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: of bread and roofed with cakes, and the window was 327 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 1: of transparent sugar. We all flat to work on that 328 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:20,439 Speaker 1: and have a good meal. I'll late a piece of 329 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: the roof Gretel, and you can have some of the 330 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:27,199 Speaker 1: window that will taste sweet. So Hansel reached up and 331 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: broke off a little of the roof to see how 332 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 1: it tasted. And Gretel leaned against the window and nibbled 333 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 1: at the panes. And then they heard a thin voice 334 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 1: call from inside, nibble, nibble like a mouse? Who is 335 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 1: nibbling at my little house? And the children answered, never mind, 336 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:52,919 Speaker 1: it is the wind, and they went on eating without 337 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: disturbing themselves. Hansel, who thought the roof tasted very nice, 338 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 1: tore down a great piece of it, and Gretel pulled 339 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: out the whole of one round window pane and sat 340 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 1: down and began upon it. Suddenly the door opened, and 341 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: the very very old woman, leaning on a crutch, came 342 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:17,119 Speaker 1: creeping out. Hansel and Gretel were so terribly frightened that 343 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:21,360 Speaker 1: they dropped their feast. The old woman, however, nodded her 344 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 1: head and said, oh, dear children, what has brought you here? 345 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 1: Do come in and stay with me. No harm shall 346 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,639 Speaker 1: come to you. She took them both by the hand 347 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 1: and led them into her little house. Then good food 348 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:42,400 Speaker 1: was set before them, milk and pancakes with sugar apples, 349 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,639 Speaker 1: and nuts. After that, she showed them two little beds 350 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:49,160 Speaker 1: covered with clean white linen, and Hansel and Gretel lay 351 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: down in them and thought they were in heaven. But 352 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 1: the old woman had only pretended to be so god. 353 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 1: She was really a wicked witch who lay in wait 354 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 1: for children, and it only built this little house of 355 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 1: bread in order to entice them there. When a child 356 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 1: fell into her power, she killed it, cooked it, and dated, 357 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 1: and that was a feast date with her. Witches have 358 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,439 Speaker 1: red eyes and cannot see fall, but they have a 359 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 1: keen sense of smell like the beast, and know very 360 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:29,919 Speaker 1: well when human creatures draw near. When she knew that 361 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:33,639 Speaker 1: Hansel and Gretel were coming, she gave a high, spiteful 362 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: laugh and said triumphantly, I have them, and they shall 363 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:49,439 Speaker 1: not escape me again. Early in the morning, before the 364 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:53,159 Speaker 1: children were awake, she was already up, And when she 365 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 1: saw both of them sleeping so peacefully with their plump 366 00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:01,399 Speaker 1: red cheeks, the witch muttered to herself, that will be 367 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:05,160 Speaker 1: a dainty mouthful, What a fine face I shall have. 368 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 1: Then she seized Hansel with her shriveled hand, dragged him 369 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: into a little stable, and shut him behind a grated 370 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: door and call and scream as he might. It was 371 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 1: no good. Then she went to Gretel, and the witch 372 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 1: shook her until she awoke. Get up, lazy bones, fetch 373 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 1: water and cook something nice for your brother. He is 374 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 1: outside in the stable, and he must be fattened up. 375 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 1: And when he is fat enough, I will eat him. 376 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: Gretel began to weep bitterly, but it was all in vain. 377 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 1: She was forced to do with the wicked witch ordered her, 378 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 1: and so the best food was cooked for poor Hansel. 379 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: Gretel got nothing but crab shells. Every morning, the woman 380 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: crept to the little stable and she cried, and so 381 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: stretch out your finger so I may feel if you 382 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 1: will soon be fat. Hansel, however, stretched out a little 383 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: bone to her instead, and the old woman, with her 384 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: dim red eyes could not see it, and thought it 385 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,640 Speaker 1: was Hansel's finger, and was astonished that there was no 386 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:17,400 Speaker 1: way of fattening him. When four weeks had gone by 387 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 1: and Hansel seemed to remain too thin, she was seized 388 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 1: with impatience and would not wait any longer. Gretel be 389 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,360 Speaker 1: quick and draw water. Let Hansel be fat o lean. 390 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: Tomorrow I will kill him and cook him What a 391 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,439 Speaker 1: grief for the poor little sister to have to fetch 392 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 1: the water, and how the tears flowed down over her cheeks. 393 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 1: Dear God, pray help us. If the wild beasts in 394 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,640 Speaker 1: the forest had but devoured us, at least we would 395 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:52,919 Speaker 1: have died together. Just keep your noisy, yourself all that 396 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: will help you at all. Early the next morning, Gretel 397 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,159 Speaker 1: had to get up, make the fire and filled the kettle. 398 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 1: We will bake first. I have already heated the oven 399 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 1: and kneaded the dough. She pushed poor Gretel out to 400 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:12,159 Speaker 1: the oven, out of which flames were already darting to 401 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 1: and fur creep in and see if it is properly heated, 402 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 1: so that we can shut the bread in. And once 403 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 1: Gretel was inside, the witch intended to shut the oven 404 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,400 Speaker 1: and let her bake in it, and then she would 405 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,679 Speaker 1: eat her too. But Gretel saw what she had in 406 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,399 Speaker 1: mind and said, I don't know how to do it. 407 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 1: How do you get in, silly goose? The door is 408 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: big enough. Just look, I can get in myself. And 409 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 1: the witch stooped down and put her head in the 410 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 1: oven's mouth. Then Gretel gave her a push that drove 411 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,959 Speaker 1: her far into it, and slammed the iron door behind 412 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 1: her and fastened the bolts. Oh, how frightfully she howled. 413 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: But Gretel ran away and left this wicked witch to burn. 414 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 1: Gretel ran like lightning to Hansle and open the stable 415 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:11,639 Speaker 1: door wide. Hansol, we're free. The old witch is dead. 416 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,400 Speaker 1: Out flew Hanstol like a bird from its cage. How 417 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 1: they did rejoice and embrace one another and dance about. 418 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 1: And as they had no need to fear the witch 419 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 1: any longer, they went into her house. And in every 420 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 1: corner there stood chest full of pearls and jewels. This 421 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: is something better than Pebble's. And he thrust into his 422 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: pockets whatever could be gotten, and Gretel filled her pinafore full. 423 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 1: Now away we go, if only we can get out 424 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 1: of the witch's wood. And when they had walked for 425 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 1: a few hours, they came to a great piece of water. 426 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: We'll never get across this. I see no stepping stones 427 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: and no bridge, and there's no boat either. But here 428 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,400 Speaker 1: comes a white duck. If I ask her, she'll help 429 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: us over duck. Here we stand Huntl and Gretel on 430 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 1: the land, stepping stones and bridge, we lack, carry us 431 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: over on your nice white back. The duck came to them, 432 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: and Hansel seated himself on its back and told his 433 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,959 Speaker 1: sister to sit by him. No, that will be too 434 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 1: heavy for the little duck. She'll take us across one 435 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 1: after the other. The good little duck did just that, 436 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: and when they were once safely across and had walked 437 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 1: for a short time, the forest seemed to grow more 438 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 1: and more familiar to them, until at last they saw 439 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,640 Speaker 1: in the distance their father's house. Then they began to run, 440 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 1: rushed in the door, and threw themselves into their father's arms. 441 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,920 Speaker 1: The man had not known one happy hour since he 442 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,119 Speaker 1: had left the children in the forest, and his wife 443 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 1: was dead. And when Gretel opened her pinafore, pearls and 444 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 1: precious stones scattered all about the room, and Hansel threw 445 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: one handful after another out of his pocket to add 446 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,640 Speaker 1: to them. Then all their anxiety was at an end, 447 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 1: and they lived together in perfect happiness. My tail is done. 448 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: There runs a mouse, who's whoever catches it may make 449 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 1: himself a big fur cap out of the end. And 450 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 1: that is the end, the end, the end, Finn, It's over. 451 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:36,120 Speaker 1: That's start. The real show. We do have some discussion 452 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,479 Speaker 1: of this story for you. UM, but first we've got 453 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 1: one more quick break for a word from our sponsor, 454 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 1: and we're back. Thank you sponsor, Yes, thank you. Yeah. 455 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 1: So there's a lot of themes we can I'm back 456 00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 1: in this story. Uh huh. But as hinted at in 457 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 1: the intro, we did want to talk about misogyny. Yeah, 458 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 1: oh my heck. So. So when we were recording this 459 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,239 Speaker 1: with UM with with our various performers, UM, kind of 460 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 1: everyone commented, but especially um are our coworker Miranda, who 461 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 1: is playing the mother or stepmother or wife or woman. UM, 462 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 1: she was like, is all I'm doing just screaming at 463 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 1: these kids? And we were like, yep, that's a that's 464 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 1: all you do. You're just a shrew and you're yelling 465 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 1: at the kids and that's your job until you die 466 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 1: off camera. Yeah, and there's this vibe. I've always felt 467 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 1: this was weird because in fairy tales they do so 468 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: often use the evil stepmother, and over on the podcast, 469 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: I do stuff I never told you. Actually interviewed stepmothers 470 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 1: and they said, how damaging this is, Like people predisposed 471 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 1: to not trust you. UM. But like in this story, 472 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 1: it was said in such a way that I'm like, 473 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 1: are you implying I should be rejoicing at this? She 474 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 1: was evil and she's gone, and yeah, now the dad 475 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 1: is can be a good dad and like raises kids. Yeah. 476 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 1: It's really it's really confusing to me because you know, 477 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 1: I feel like it's part of the same kind of 478 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 1: misogyny that says that that fathers can't be good parents, 479 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 1: but also that women are just baseline evil. Uh, because 480 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:41,479 Speaker 1: you've got you've got the only good feminine presence in 481 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 1: the story is Gretel, who is not pubescent yet. Um. Yeah, 482 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 1: so she has that child, that childlike innocence, so so 483 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 1: she's still okay. But and then like like I like, 484 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 1: I don't know, like, is it implied that the witch 485 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 1: and the wife are connected somehow and that by killing 486 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 1: the which they killed their stepmother. So we did like 487 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 1: a table read when we did this with Ben Bolan, 488 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 1: our narrator, and I wanted to be both the wife 489 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 1: and the mother. Yeah, wife and the witch. Yes, sorry, 490 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 1: because I thought, yeah, they're kind of like these two 491 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 1: sides of the evil women can be because you've got 492 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 1: like what is the ultimate sin? Either you're single and 493 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 1: you're praying on children, or you have children and you 494 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 1: don't take good care of them. Those are like the worst. 495 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 1: I mean, like a single lady living and the bread 496 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 1: cooking children. Never mind that those kids did come and 497 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,479 Speaker 1: eat off of her house. I'm not taking the witch aside. 498 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, no one ever talking about that. Yeah, 499 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 1: you know, she she has to repair that ther house 500 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 1: made of bread, which I hope it doesn't rain very 501 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:04,240 Speaker 1: often in this place. Yeah. Yeah, it just seems like 502 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 1: I've been thinking a lot to you about because no 503 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 1: one's surprised, but I've been watching a ton of horror 504 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 1: movies and I feel like the little girl is almost 505 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 1: always the ultimate symbol of innocence. Yeah. It's always like 506 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 1: an older man protecting a little girl, and that's the 507 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 1: stories we see in it, like apocalypse situation, and through 508 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 1: her innocence he is redeemed from his like violent ways. Um. 509 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 1: And so you have that here, and then like immediately 510 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 1: when you get into womanhood, it's like, but then, well 511 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 1: that is an evil, terrible person who's going to kill children. Yeah. Yeah, 512 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 1: it's a it's a lot, it's honestly a lot. Um. Uh. 513 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,959 Speaker 1: And then I don't know there there are all of 514 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 1: these other symbols of of purity throughout the story. Um, 515 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 1: all of those white birds um, and the white linens, 516 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 1: the white stones um, and the light of the moon 517 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 1: and and so you know, you actually don't get a 518 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 1: lot of of a textually noted Actually no you do, 519 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 1: you do you get you get a lot of darkness. Um. 520 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,239 Speaker 1: It's specifies that like that, like when they wake up 521 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,480 Speaker 1: in the woods alone, it is the darkest part of 522 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 1: the night and uh, and the fires out and so 523 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:24,719 Speaker 1: they have to wait for the moon to rise so 524 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 1: that they can see all that kind of stuff. But yeah, 525 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 1: I you know, um and and and birds certainly um uh. 526 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 1: You know I've always had a little bit of a 527 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 1: of a symbolic meaning freedom and and guidance throughout the world. Um. 528 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 1: That heck in duck, y'all, none of us remembered the duck. 529 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 1: None of us remember the duck. Um. And I in 530 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 1: doing in doing my reading for this one, I did 531 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 1: find a note about the duck. And I was really 532 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 1: glad I did, because I was like, where does this 533 00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 1: duck come from? Why? Like why is that any way cool? 534 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 1: I mean, I love a duck too. Sure, that's fine. Um. 535 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 1: But but yeah, there's a note that the duck was 536 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 1: not in the original version of the story. Um. It 537 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 1: was added around when the mother was changed to a 538 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:17,400 Speaker 1: stepmother in the edition. Um, sometimes it's written as a swan, 539 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 1: not a duck. Um. But I love the word duck, 540 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 1: so I you know, I hearde that it's a much 541 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 1: funner word, um than than swan. Also, swans our dicks. 542 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:38,480 Speaker 1: You heard it here. Like I've met a duck that, like, 543 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 1: is just fine. But I've never met a swan that 544 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:43,440 Speaker 1: didn't want to eat my eyeballs as violently as possible. 545 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 1: I feel like everyone I talked to you who has 546 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,960 Speaker 1: some kind of weird bird story there, they've got an 547 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,760 Speaker 1: opinion that's the same about swans. So yeah, it's because 548 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,960 Speaker 1: they're dicks. And then it's not my fault. I'm only 549 00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:02,640 Speaker 1: reporting the truth. Um. But but but yeah, yeah, so um right, 550 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,160 Speaker 1: and then they then they pass over this river. I 551 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 1: do love the inclusion of this river, um, because they 552 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:14,239 Speaker 1: didn't cross a river coming out to the Witch's house, 553 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 1: but somehow they have to cross one when they're going back, 554 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 1: and I don't know, it's a it's a great it's 555 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,880 Speaker 1: a great symbol of just just passing, passing over water, 556 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 1: maybe like passing um into young adulthood or something like that. 557 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 1: You know, there are versions of the Tail where they're 558 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,520 Speaker 1: stuck in this witch's house for years. Yeah, I wonder 559 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 1: it kind of reminds me of Chiron, like you got 560 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,360 Speaker 1: to get across ye. And I wonder if there's like 561 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:44,359 Speaker 1: a conspiracy theory that they died it's actually killed them, 562 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,720 Speaker 1: because could she be foolish enough to get in that oven. 563 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. She seems like she's 564 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,200 Speaker 1: got her she seems like she's got her stuff together, 565 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,319 Speaker 1: like this is a woman with a plan. I think 566 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:59,319 Speaker 1: she really just thought Gretel was so so dumb, so 567 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:03,040 Speaker 1: dumb that she was like, oh sure, I'll cry up 568 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:09,319 Speaker 1: and show you see no way that could backfire at all. 569 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,160 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, no, I I kind of I kind of 570 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 1: like that, like maybe maybe they did die, and maybe 571 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 1: this is them passing into the afterlife and and finding heaven, 572 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,319 Speaker 1: finding their version of heaven in which their father is 573 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,359 Speaker 1: alive and and loves them and welcomes them back, and 574 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,839 Speaker 1: their wicked stepmother is just mysteriously dead, so you don't 575 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,720 Speaker 1: even have to worry about her. Yeah, she's just gone, 576 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:39,200 Speaker 1: she's picture. Yeah, they've got plenty of money and you know, 577 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:44,840 Speaker 1: a duck friend, So everything's chill. That's right. Uh, well, 578 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,680 Speaker 1: I can't decide if that's like we're choosing the darker 579 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:57,680 Speaker 1: version or the happier version by wanting that. Maybe that's 580 00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 1: the moral of this story. Makes you question yourself. Yeah, no, 581 00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:07,919 Speaker 1: I think that's any good story, right, especially a horror story. Yeah, 582 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,279 Speaker 1: it is funny. As you said at the beginning, how 583 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:14,040 Speaker 1: many of these children's fairy tales, if you stop and 584 00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:20,080 Speaker 1: think about them, they are kind for horror stories. Yeah, 585 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:25,520 Speaker 1: they're not pleasant, Like she was going to eat those kids, 586 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:30,319 Speaker 1: she was she she she made the sister cook for 587 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:34,120 Speaker 1: the brother so that he would be chubby enough to 588 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:40,720 Speaker 1: be tasty. Yeah. Yeah, they're abandon them in the woods 589 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:46,000 Speaker 1: twice twice. I think what sealed me on going with 590 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,920 Speaker 1: the Margaret Hunt translation of this for most of the 591 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:53,520 Speaker 1: narration is that um in h in the Lucy Crane translation, 592 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,759 Speaker 1: there's that moment when um, the first time that their 593 00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,399 Speaker 1: parents take them out into the woods, um, where they 594 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:03,960 Speaker 1: hear this this this hacking noise, this this this clunking 595 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,480 Speaker 1: chopping noise, and they assume that it's their father cutting wood. 596 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,719 Speaker 1: But um, but it's actually a branch. And in the 597 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:14,200 Speaker 1: crane translation, um, it's it's a it's it's just a 598 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,080 Speaker 1: just a dead branch hanging against this tree and and 599 00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,560 Speaker 1: blowing against it in the wind. But in the hunt translation, 600 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:30,080 Speaker 1: the dad put it there on purpose. And I'm like, oh, oh, okay, gnarly, 601 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:43,520 Speaker 1: I love it. Yeah that stop. Uh. Um, So yeah, 602 00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:46,960 Speaker 1: I really hope that that y'all have enjoyed this. Um. 603 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,799 Speaker 1: We perhaps clearly had a lot of fun with it. Yes, yes, 604 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:55,120 Speaker 1: we love doing these. We love working with our coworkers 605 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,920 Speaker 1: and seeing what creative things they bring to the table. Yeah, 606 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:04,080 Speaker 1: and just guessing like these fairy tales just so long 607 00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:08,360 Speaker 1: after they were written, and thinking of the grand brothers. Know, 608 00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:15,320 Speaker 1: if they knew their podcast was their stories still getting told. Yeah, yeah, 609 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,759 Speaker 1: um and uh and yeah, thank you so much to 610 00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:22,520 Speaker 1: our performers. Um are. Our narrator today is Ben Bolan, 611 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,000 Speaker 1: who you you may recognize from stuff they don't want 612 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:29,080 Speaker 1: you to know and h ridiculous history. Um, he's he's 613 00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:32,640 Speaker 1: been on the show before. He was here talking about ranch. Um. 614 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,719 Speaker 1: One of our longest episodes ever. Ah, we just went off. 615 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:38,759 Speaker 1: We were just like ye to talk about this for 616 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:43,280 Speaker 1: a hot minute. Um. He he also has two stories 617 00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,399 Speaker 1: that he wrote that are that are appearing right now 618 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,279 Speaker 1: in thirteen Days of Halloween and uh and one that 619 00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,160 Speaker 1: he that he narrated. Uh, so you can hear him 620 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,280 Speaker 1: there if you want to hear more from him. Um 621 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,040 Speaker 1: Our mother, as I said, was played by Miranda Hawkins, 622 00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,600 Speaker 1: who was a producer here at I heart Um. She's 623 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,080 Speaker 1: the one who makes American shadows sounds so good. I 624 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,799 Speaker 1: believe she's also doing work on Thirteen Days um our, 625 00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,600 Speaker 1: which was our own superproducer Dylan Fagin, who's been working 626 00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,960 Speaker 1: mostly these days on a show called Family Secrets. The 627 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,960 Speaker 1: father was played by friend of the show Jed Drummond, 628 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,200 Speaker 1: who is a musician and actor here in Atlanta. And 629 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:22,759 Speaker 1: uh and of course of course us, yes, yes, um. 630 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,480 Speaker 1: We always love hearing from you. If you've got any 631 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,399 Speaker 1: fairy tales we should look at next after our long 632 00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,439 Speaker 1: waited Alice in Wonderland. We should probably do that first, 633 00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:37,080 Speaker 1: probably probably first. 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