1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for 2 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host, 3 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm 4 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number two 5 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 1: and today the show, we're joined by Adam Hayes to 6 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: dive deep into his tactics for consistently locating the best 7 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: buck in the neighborhood. And welcome to the Wired to 8 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 1: Hunt podcast, brought to you by on X, And today 9 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: I'm joined by Adam Hayes and we're focusing specifically on 10 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: the topic of finding the best buck in your area. 11 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 1: And Adam seemed like they got to talk about this 12 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: topic with because he does that year after year after year. Now, 13 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 1: shooting big buck is not all the hunting is all about. 14 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: It's not for everyone. It's not something you gotta do, 15 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 1: but for some folks, those who seek the greatest deer 16 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 1: hunting challenge possible, the goal of finding and hunting the 17 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: biggest and oldest buck in your neck of the woods. 18 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:15,839 Speaker 1: Is this this task, this mission that can be incredibly 19 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 1: rewarding and frustrating, But somehow Adam seems to do it 20 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 1: with ease. Now, you might be familiar with Adam from 21 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: his appearances in various magazines or his show Team two hundred, 22 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 1: or from the fact that he's pretty widely known as 23 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: one of the few people out there who have killed 24 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: four free range white tail bucks that eclips the magic 25 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: two inch mark. So needless to say, he's got a 26 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: lot of experience finding and targeting bruiser white tails, and 27 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: today I picked his brain for every single idea, tip 28 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: and tactic I could possibly find that he has for 29 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: how to find those kinds of deer, how to locate 30 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: the best buck and whatever area might be in. We 31 00:01:57,760 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: discussed that and we break it down how to do 32 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: an winter in the summer and in the season. So, 33 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: without further ado, let's take a really quick break and 34 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 1: then we'll get to my chat with Adam Hayes in 35 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: a one more quick announcement For all of you guys 36 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: out there, if you are into white tail deer hunting, 37 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: what's if you're listening to this podcast, you sure ought 38 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 1: to be otherwise hereing for a boring conversation. If you're 39 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 1: in the white tails, we are just launching a new 40 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: newsletter from Meat Eater that is all focused on our 41 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: latest and greatest white tail hunting content. 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Have 51 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 1: a whole other video series coming very soon that's white 52 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:01,799 Speaker 1: tail focused, and a whole bunch some articles focused on 53 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: our favorite big game species, the white tail deer. Content 54 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: for me, Spencer new Heart, Tony Peterson, Pat Durkin, all 55 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: sorts of other folks that love white tails just like 56 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 1: you and I so heading over to the media dot 57 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:18,079 Speaker 1: com and sign up for the white Tail Weekly newsletter. 58 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: Alright with me. Now on the line is Adam Hayes. 59 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show. Adam, Thanks Mark, glad to 60 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:30,959 Speaker 1: be here. Yeah. I just was looking back on the 61 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 1: archives to see when we had you on last and 62 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: this is crazy to me, but it was four years 63 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: ago that we did that episode. It does not seem 64 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: like it's been that long at all. Time flies when 65 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: you're having fun. I know that is Uh, that is 66 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 1: the truth. So I'm glad, glad we're finally circling back again. 67 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: And speaking of having fun, Uh, are you having a 68 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: good late summer early fall period? You get excited for 69 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 1: the season to kick off here soon? Yeah, I'm getting excited. Uh, 70 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: just summer just flew by and got some good deer 71 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: on camera, so might just get after him. Yeah, I'm 72 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: right there with you. And uh, speaking of those good 73 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: deer and camera, that kinda ties into the main the 74 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:20,679 Speaker 1: main focus area I thought we could try to dive 75 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 1: into today. And I know last time we chatted it 76 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 1: was kind of a holistic view of everything you're doing 77 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: to target big old bucks, And today I thought we 78 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: can narrow in to one slice of that which you 79 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: seem to be particularly good at, which is locating the 80 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: best buck in the neighborhood, like finding that very biggest 81 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,359 Speaker 1: oldest buck in whatever neck of the woods it is 82 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: that you're in, and then you just zero in on 83 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 1: that deer and you it seems to be that you're 84 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 1: getting within range of that deer more often than most 85 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: other people out there. So I thought we could dive 86 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: into all facets of that. So everything from you know, 87 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: preseason work and scouting all the way to what you're 88 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 1: doing in season, everything from actual hunting to trail cameras 89 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:08,720 Speaker 1: to whatever else it might be. Um, but I gotta 90 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: ask you alluded to it. You've got a couple of 91 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: good bucks on camera. Do you have a couple of 92 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: these bucks in your sites already that you think you're 93 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 1: going to be the target for this year? Yet? Yeah, 94 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: I've got a couple of target bucks. I've not seen 95 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 1: a deer that I thought was pushing two hundred incheons 96 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: this year, but one dear in particular been chasing for 97 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: a four year at home, and big deer over in 98 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 1: Illinois have been after for a couple of years. So 99 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: that's what it's all about with me. I'd rather be 100 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: chasing a specific animal than just out there deer hunting. 101 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: That's really what drives me these days is um, you know, 102 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 1: having some history on a deer and trying to figure 103 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: it out and playing that game with them a supposed 104 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:53,039 Speaker 1: to just sitting there hoping a big one is gonna 105 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: show up. Yeah, I hear you. I'm right there too. 106 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: So how does that process start for you? You You know, 107 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 1: let's say two thousand eighteen season ended, two thousand nineteen 108 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 1: has started when when you went into this year. Let's 109 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: let's look at this year as a perfect example. How 110 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 1: did the process start for you as far as trying 111 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:13,799 Speaker 1: to either relocate a buck you new from past years 112 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: or find whatever that buck will be a new buck 113 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 1: might be this year. When did that start? What's it 114 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 1: start looking like? Is it is it right away in 115 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: the postseason or do you wait till the summer? How 116 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: do you start locating that? Dear? It's really important to 117 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: get out in the woods, we think before things start 118 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 1: greening up. I mean a lot of guys get out hunting, 119 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 1: and I do shift hunt. I'm really looking for you know, handlers, 120 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,799 Speaker 1: off specific animals though, as opposed to just out comb 121 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: in the woods looking for looking for a horn here 122 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 1: or there. But it's a great time to get out 123 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: and really, you know, everything's kind of really laid out 124 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: for you. Um as far as the previous season. You know, 125 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: obviously rubs, trails, scrapes, this sort of thing, But the 126 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 1: main thing I look for late season like that when 127 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: I'm after a specific buck, is are the core areas, 128 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 1: you know, areas where those deers spend the majority of 129 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: their time in October especially, you know, thick, thick betting 130 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: areas that are going to have concentrations of large RUPs 131 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: because you know, getting after a specific deer excuse me, 132 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: I like to get after him in October obviously before 133 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: the route when they're still pretty predictable and on a 134 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: on a set pattern doing pretty much the same thing 135 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: every day. But you've got to know, you know, right 136 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 1: where those dinner a betting and food sources are pretty obvious. 137 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: But early season they're doing the same thing every day, 138 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: and some guys struggle with killing deer then, like during 139 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: the October lowy because a deer doing it the same 140 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: thing but in such a small area and it's tough 141 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: to get into those spots without tipping them off. He 142 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: usually get one crack out of them and that it's 143 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: game O for or things get a lot tougher. So 144 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: that's really what I focus on that time of years, 145 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: finding the core areas where this big deer bet or betting. 146 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: Early season they're doing a lot of rugs and everything 147 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 1: is pretty much right there laid out for you to 148 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: find um late season is so so what you know, 149 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: Let's say it's a property that you know you've hunt 150 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: in the past. There's a buck that you think made 151 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: it to the next year. Now you're out there in 152 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: January or February and March whatever it is, and you're 153 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: looking for these core areas. Once you find a spot 154 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: you think is his core area, maybe in the past, 155 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 1: like you, you've hypothesized that, Hey, I think this buck 156 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: is hanging out in this little zone. What are you 157 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: really trying to do them? At that point? If you 158 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 1: know that one of these pockets is one of his 159 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 1: little core betting areas, do you go in there and 160 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: try to actually take it even further and say, Okay, 161 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: I know this is zone. This five acres or fifteen 162 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 1: acres or whatever seems to be his core. Do you 163 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: go in there and try to precisely pick I bet 164 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 1: you he beds in this exact spot some days. I 165 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 1: bet you beds in this exact spot some days. Or 166 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 1: do you try to find exactly the routes? Do you 167 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: think that deer is coming in? What are you actually 168 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 1: doing when you're there on March one looking at the 169 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: core area. Well, it's really all the above. I mean, 170 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: you gotta have a really good idea where he's betting 171 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: at and it's really a matter of almost you know, 172 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 1: thinking like the deer. So if you know where he's betting, 173 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: you know where the food sources are are and where 174 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: he's gonna want to go. Number one, what travel routes 175 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 1: are going to take to get there? And probably the 176 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: most important is what kind of wind is he gonna 177 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 1: need to feel safe enough to get up in moon 178 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: during daylight to get there? Because my whole regiment is 179 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: all about finding a weak spot somewhere on that travel 180 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,839 Speaker 1: pattern where you can get within bow range of him 181 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: while he's using the wind to his advantage, because you know, 182 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 1: a five six seven year old buck in October is 183 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 1: probably just gonna lay there in his bed until dark 184 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: and let he's got a few things in his favor, 185 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 1: particularly a good wind. You know, weather influences mature deer 186 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: to move, and obviously the moon to him a big 187 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 1: follower on the moon. You know, when you can line 188 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 1: a few of those things up, it's uh, that's when 189 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: you catch those big deer making mistakes. But you know, 190 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: it's really about just like I said, trying to think. 191 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 1: I think, like the deer, what's gonna what's it gonna 192 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: take for that deer to feel comfortable to get up 193 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: and move and finding you know, an ambush spot along 194 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 1: there while he's using the wind to his advantage, and 195 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: those spots are tough to find. You It's hard enough 196 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,679 Speaker 1: to beat a big bucks nose let alone given him 197 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: the wind. You know, That's really what changed my success 198 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:45,079 Speaker 1: on big deer was when I quit hunting winds that 199 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: were good for me and started hunting to win good 200 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,719 Speaker 1: for the animal I was after. So it was a 201 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: fair to say that you are looking at a property 202 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 1: and you're kind of finding these core areas, and those 203 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 1: core areas kind of become like a hub on a wheel, 204 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: and then you're then trying to guess where are the 205 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 1: spokes coming off of the wheel these travel routes out. 206 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: So do you end up having different places you hunt 207 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: that having these different little wheels. You've got a coreer 208 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: here and a couple of spokes coming out, and then 209 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: you've got another coreer somewhere else. Maybe it's a different buck. 210 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: And if you spokes, is that kind of what your 211 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: maps in your head look like when you're thinking about 212 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: breaking down these properties. Yeah, I mean, because they're not 213 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: going to be headed into the exact same place every day. 214 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: I mean they're pretty consistent early season, but you know, 215 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: food sources change almost daily in October. You know with crops, 216 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 1: you know, the soybeans change from you know, being grained 217 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 1: to drying up, and they switch over to the eight 218 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: corners when they're dropping. And if a corn field comes down, 219 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 1: you know they jump on that right away. So I mean, 220 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: changing NonStop. So there's gonna be multiple routes a big 221 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: deer it can take. So that's where you're you know 222 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:58,679 Speaker 1: you're in season. Scouting comes into play a lot. I 223 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 1: probably scout more of and I hunt during the season 224 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: also because you've got to be on the freshest sign. 225 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 1: You know, there's that stuff changing, like I said, almost 226 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 1: on a daily basis, and get to stay on top 227 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: of that stuff. But then then again that also causes 228 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: its own set of problems and issues trying to get 229 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 1: in and keep an eye on fresh sign how things 230 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: are changing without disturbing the deer. So you really got 231 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 1: to have an intimate knowledge of where that deer is 232 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 1: betting at, where you think he's going to go as 233 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 1: the crops and purfood, food sources change, and I mean 234 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 1: it's just, uh, you know, it's just a combination of 235 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 1: a lot of things they're going to play. It's a 236 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:43,079 Speaker 1: huge puzzle. It's a huge puzzle. Now. Yeah, yeah, that's 237 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: a strategic nightmare. But that's what makes it fun. Right. 238 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: So I do want to talk about all that in 239 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: season stuff for sure, But before we get to that, 240 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: one more question on the on this, you know, winter 241 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: scouting of these star at these core areas, finding them 242 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 1: the spokes along the way. But what if it's a 243 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: new property and you don't know where you know, where 244 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 1: these certain bucks are typically spending their time. So if 245 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 1: you're brand new on the spot and you're now walking 246 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: around and you're trying to determine where is this best 247 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 1: buck living, you know a lot of people say, well, 248 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 1: you know, there's certain places I think the bucks should 249 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 1: bed like they'll be good thick cover. And then so 250 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 1: if you just go to the good thick cover and 251 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 1: you say, okay, this has gotta be his coreer, this 252 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 1: has gotta be his betting area because it's good they 253 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: cover um. But you know, maybe there's four bucks living 254 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: around there and one of them, maybe he's using that one, 255 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: And is that the best one? Is that the oldest buck? 256 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: Is that the biggest buckle? How do you actually go 257 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: about determining where the king of the hill is living? 258 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: Is it just by rub size or is that a 259 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: concentration or is it I mean, how do you go 260 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: about and actually say, okay, this little area here, this 261 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: is the big boy I think, or this is where 262 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 1: they're spending the most time. How do you actually make 263 00:13:54,880 --> 00:14:00,440 Speaker 1: that qualification? I'd probably rely on concentrations of I grew up. 264 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 1: It's more than anything. Um. But you know, on any 265 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:07,959 Speaker 1: given property there can be you know, multiple bucks and 266 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: multiple areas that they use. So unless you actually witness firsthand, 267 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 1: you know, a deer making rub, it's hard to know 268 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: for sure. But um, you know, I use a lot 269 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: of mineral sites in those locations year round to keep 270 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 1: tabs on the bucks and to know which areas that 271 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: they're using. I'd love to set my mineral sites right 272 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 1: on the edge of these core areas, where you know, 273 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: when a whether bucks traveling um through an area or 274 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: you know, going from his summer pattern to his back 275 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: to his core area, when he sheds his a velvet. 276 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 1: Typically they'll you know, they'll hit those mineral sites that 277 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: I'll know when they're there, and you know, it's it's 278 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: a good idea to put them right on the edge 279 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: where you can get in and get out without disturbing 280 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: those areas. But um, that's a great way to keep 281 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: tabs on them, to know which deer are living where, 282 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: you know, and you just you gotta cover. On a 283 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: new farm, you gotta cover every stitch of cover that's available, 284 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: because you know, a big deer could be using a 285 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: typical you know, flat in the middle of the woods 286 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: as his quar area, or he could be using a 287 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: little tiny thicket right up next to the road. I mean, 288 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: you just never know where these big deer of little 289 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: pockets that they've found where they've learned to survive. An 290 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: older guy that it's hunted lower than I've been been 291 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: alive told me one time that if you've gone more 292 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: than a hundred yards from your truck, you probably went 293 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: too far. So I don't I don't skip any patch 294 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: of cover when it comes to figuring out, you know 295 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: where these big deer high net and especially on a 296 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 1: new piece, you just got to cover everything that's available 297 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: to you in what you've got permission on because you 298 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: don't want to miss anything. Yeah, what about scrapes, um, 299 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: you know, big hub tile hub type scrapes. Some people 300 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 1: like to really focus on those scrapes. They're back in 301 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: the cover and they use that to kind of focus. 302 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: And do you pay attention to that sign at all 303 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: when doing this early you know, postseason type stuff in 304 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: the winter still or is it just rubs and another 305 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: signs like that? No, I pay a lot of attention 306 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: to him. It seems like the bigger and larger breeding scrape. 307 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: So that's you know, those are the ones that you're 308 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 1: gonna want to pay attention to a November and I 309 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: normally don't find those on those isolated you know buck 310 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: travel patterns. Those are more typical for you know, all 311 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: your doughs and all your bucks are hitting them in 312 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: a real common area, which is where you want to 313 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: be in November. But when I'm after a specific buck, 314 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: I like to try to kill him in October and 315 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 1: that's typically not the kind of place we're going to 316 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 1: find them. But you definitely want to note those areas, um, 317 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 1: you know for November action, that's for sure. Okay, that 318 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: makes sense. So let's move the clock forward a little bit. 319 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: Now it's the summer. It's July or August, and you 320 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 1: kind of made you made a comment a second ago 321 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 1: that makes me curious about what you think about summer scouting, 322 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: because he said something about how these bucks moved from 323 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 1: their summer patterns to their fall patterns. So, right, a 324 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 1: lot of us talk about the fact that you're gonna 325 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: have these deer in one place in the summer and 326 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: then some significant portion typically shift their range to a 327 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 1: degree once a volvo comes off. So do you how 328 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 1: do you look at your summer scouting, your summer trail 329 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:32,639 Speaker 1: camera pictures, your summer bean field scouting, when you know 330 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 1: that allow those deer going to be somewhere different in 331 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 1: a few weeks. Well, it's just something you gotta keep 332 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 1: in the back of your mind. And that's when that 333 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: late season scouting comes into play, because these mature deer 334 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: are usually going to be located next to a preferred 335 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: food source in the summer, whether it's you know, a 336 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: really green soybean field, alfalfa, whatever the case is, and 337 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 1: who knows why they pick a specific field, but I've 338 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: seen them here in Ohio where deer don't travel a 339 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: lot um relocate a mile or two miles away in 340 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:11,399 Speaker 1: the summer, and then you know they're out there like 341 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 1: clockwork all summer, wrong every night, and then all of 342 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: a sudden they vanish. And that's where a lot of 343 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 1: guys have problems with them. They don't know, you know, 344 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 1: what happened where they went, and a lot of those books, 345 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 1: when they shed their vote, they automatically relocate back to 346 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 1: those core areas that I try to find late season. 347 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,120 Speaker 1: But um, you know, the only thing hunt the only 348 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 1: thing definitely about hunting big deers, nothing's ever definite. You know, 349 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:37,680 Speaker 1: some of those big bucks might stay right on that 350 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:40,640 Speaker 1: food source right in through October. If the beings were 351 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: planted little and they're still green, they could stay there. 352 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 1: I've seen that happen before. If there's a good oak 353 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 1: drop in the area, they could stay right there or relocate, 354 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 1: you know to a different spot where they're dropping. But 355 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:58,120 Speaker 1: typically September, you know when they should there's a lot 356 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: of stuff changing, and you know, a big, big deer 357 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 1: could stay right where he's at where he could completely 358 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 1: vanish and relocate. But nine times out of ten when 359 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 1: they do that they're going back to that safety area. 360 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: You know, they know what's going on, they know what's 361 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 1: coming in. Things are changing and it's time to get 362 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 1: reclusive again and that's normally where they end up. And 363 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:22,640 Speaker 1: that's when those mineral sites come into play and having 364 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: a camera on and monitoring them so you so I 365 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 1: know when they you know, when they vanish from the 366 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 1: southern pattern, they'll usually show up on those mineral sites. Yes, 367 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 1: so tell me a little more about your mineral site 368 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:40,159 Speaker 1: trail camera process. So you're putting these spots on the 369 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:42,360 Speaker 1: edge of the core area. When you say the edge 370 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 1: of it, I mean, are you saying it's on the 371 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 1: edge of the field so you can drive right up 372 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:47,399 Speaker 1: to it or you actually back in the timber, but 373 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 1: you're on the edge of the transition between like a 374 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 1: staging area and the good they cover. Like, how how 375 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 1: close to the edge are you really? When I say edge, 376 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:58,959 Speaker 1: I'm talking about somewhere where I can get in and 377 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 1: out and check in with out disturbing the deer that 378 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 1: I'm watching, but close enough to him that he's gonna 379 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 1: find it and it's gonna have to be on his 380 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 1: travel pattern. You know, when he comes through the area. 381 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: They just I don't know, it seems like more and 382 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 1: more of these days to find these big mature bucks, 383 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 1: they just don't seem to venture off their set patterns. 384 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: You know, you can go out of their way to 385 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: find stuff. So you've really got to be either right 386 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: on it or close to it for them to define 387 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 1: it or to pay attention to it, or to hit 388 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 1: it consistently. So as close as you can be to 389 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 1: their core area, I'm on the edge, so you're not 390 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: disturbing anything if you have to go in and replenish 391 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 1: it or change batteries on your camera or whatever, you know. 392 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 1: And and a lot of times I hunt really close 393 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 1: to him too, so you know, I don't want to 394 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: go busting through the brush to get into a tree 395 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,159 Speaker 1: stand I like, I love just being able to slip 396 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: right just inside the cover, not disturb anything, jump up 397 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 1: in a stand off if a big deer you know, 398 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 1: started to hit a mineral, which they don't a lot 399 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 1: of times in October, but you know, if he's making 400 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 1: a mistake, you got to be able to slide in 401 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: their undisturbed and take the crack at him. So yeah, 402 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,640 Speaker 1: So what's your trail camera set up? Over those. I mean, 403 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 1: I'm curious, like, do you put them away high in 404 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,400 Speaker 1: a tree and aim it down because you're worried about 405 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:23,879 Speaker 1: the buck spoken to the camera, or do you just 406 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: place a camera eye level. I'm curious about your whole 407 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 1: details set up for those cameras, those like stationary cameras 408 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 1: where they're over mineral side or something like that. Well, 409 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 1: most of those are there year round, So did deer 410 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 1: get used to him? And I haven't had a need 411 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: to you know, hang them tin foot up in a 412 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:46,199 Speaker 1: tree or anything like that. I've not noticed where they 413 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:48,880 Speaker 1: really disturbed the deer I'm after. And like I said, 414 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: because they're in there all year, going to get used 415 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 1: to them. So just a typical set up. Okay, And 416 00:21:56,800 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: are you running uh cell cams nowadays? Do you run 417 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 1: just traditional cameras? And and it's so how often you 418 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 1: going in there to check them at this point in 419 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: the year, at least when I'm in close to a 420 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 1: quar area like that. Yeah, I used the cell camera 421 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,439 Speaker 1: so I don't have to go in there and check them. 422 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,120 Speaker 1: I probably run about fifteen of those, and then everywhere 423 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: else it's just standard cameras that I've bounced around from 424 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: spot to spot. But those cell cameras are worth their 425 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: weight and goal, especially during season. So any of my 426 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 1: you know, kill spots that I'm actually hunting and I 427 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 1: think that's where I need to be, you know, I'll 428 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 1: definitely have a cell camera in there. So okay, that 429 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense. So let's say we're in 430 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: that late summertime period or early falling, like right now, 431 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: it's September, early September. You're waiting to get some of 432 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,879 Speaker 1: these bucks on your camera, on your trail cameras. Let's 433 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: say you get a ping, you look at your phone. 434 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 1: It's September six, and here's the big shooter box that 435 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:57,959 Speaker 1: you've been hoping to see all year. He's on camera 436 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 1: just outside of one these core areas. Is at that 437 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: point do you just let it be and keep your 438 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: cameras all where they were at because you want to 439 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: keep track of what other deer might be around. Or 440 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,120 Speaker 1: do you go and grab some of your other cameras 441 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 1: or elsewhere and then zero in on this spot now 442 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: that you know your target bucks in. Yeah, it's too 443 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 1: late in the game to make a lot of changes 444 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 1: right now, So the less pressure the better. You know, 445 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 1: it's all about the element of surprise and and going 446 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: in the first time. And I mean a deer that 447 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 1: survived for five or six seasons, you just can't you 448 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 1: just can't make any mistakes. Not early season. And like 449 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: I said, this time of the year, they're doing pretty 450 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,239 Speaker 1: much the same thing every day, but they're doing it 451 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 1: in a really small area. And if he's in there 452 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: and you catch you moving during daylight, don't change anything. 453 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:59,160 Speaker 1: I don't change anything. I mean unless something absolutely has 454 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,919 Speaker 1: to be changed. The key I just I want to 455 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,639 Speaker 1: stay out of that area, let him feel as comfortable 456 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,680 Speaker 1: as you possibly can, and then wait until I stacked 457 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,920 Speaker 1: the deck in my favor with everything possible to get 458 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 1: him to move during daylight as soon as I can 459 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:17,120 Speaker 1: slide and take a chance and killing him. Because if 460 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 1: I took the ten biggest deer I've killed, I bet 461 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: you nine of them were killed the first time I 462 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 1: went in. You know, I think a lot of guys 463 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,640 Speaker 1: struggle with the fact that it's hunting season. I gotta 464 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:32,120 Speaker 1: be hunting, which is understandable if a guy can only hunt, 465 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 1: you know, a couple of days a week or weekends 466 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 1: or whatever. You know, guys want to be out there hunting, 467 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: But I don't go through all the work and scouting 468 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 1: and effort to go in before everything's lined up and 469 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: take a chance on blowing him out, because like I said, 470 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:50,719 Speaker 1: it gets tougher each time you go in there and 471 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: don't get it done. So you really got to be 472 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,199 Speaker 1: patient and just wait for everything to line up before 473 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: I even take a chance. I'm going in, and nine 474 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: times out of ten it works if you can do that, 475 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 1: if if you can stay out of your area till 476 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:11,679 Speaker 1: everything lines up. So so before we get into the season. Um. 477 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 1: One other thing I know we talked about this a 478 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: little bit when we chatted last, which was this idea 479 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: that sometimes a lot of folks will just focus on 480 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 1: hunting whatever bucks they have on their property that they've 481 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 1: always hunted or whatever, but that you sometimes will actually 482 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,199 Speaker 1: go out there in the summer or off season or 483 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:33,439 Speaker 1: whatever it is and seek out these top tier bucks 484 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,880 Speaker 1: glass and fields and looking all around, and then when 485 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:37,399 Speaker 1: you see a buck that you really want to target, 486 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: then you go about trying to get permission to hunt 487 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,959 Speaker 1: there or whatever it takes to be able to hunt there. Um. 488 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 1: So when I guess question number one is do you 489 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: still do that question? Number two is if so do 490 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 1: you do that in the summer? Do you wait till 491 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 1: early September so that you know you're in the spot 492 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 1: that buck's going to be during the fall. That's really 493 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 1: good to be the toughest part of the game, anymore, 494 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,400 Speaker 1: fine and quality deer that you can actually a hunt, 495 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 1: you know, and being able to find one, I mean, 496 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: there's lots of different ways to find them. You know. 497 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,679 Speaker 1: I follow up on every lead I hear about on 498 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: a big deer. You know, I do a lot of 499 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 1: glassing in the summer. You know, um shed hunting new properties. 500 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 1: I'm a real estate agent, so you know I'm looking 501 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:26,400 Speaker 1: at properties all the time. Um, you know, just any 502 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 1: any um any way that you can, you know, get 503 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:33,880 Speaker 1: a lead on a big deer, you gotta follow up 504 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:38,199 Speaker 1: on it. And I like to focus on sanctuaries or 505 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 1: areas that don't get a lot of hunting pressure, or 506 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 1: areas next to sanctuaries for good places. I mean here 507 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 1: in Ohio, I think just about any buck has got 508 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 1: the genetics to be a trophy. He just needs time. 509 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,439 Speaker 1: So in order for him to get the time to 510 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 1: grow to be you know, Bon the crocker or two 511 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: intern inch dear, he's got to have you gotta have 512 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 1: us eight spots, so you know, anywhere we can get 513 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 1: next to or on a spot that has minimal or 514 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:10,159 Speaker 1: no hunting pressure, you know, those are spots I focus 515 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: on on trying to find a newt here per se. 516 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: But yeah, I think probably the best times to really 517 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: locate one is is in the summer, when those deer 518 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 1: a little bit more relaxed and out in the beans 519 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,479 Speaker 1: in the summer. And tell you that though there's not um, 520 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 1: even a mature dear is not out there every night. 521 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 1: I've I've noticed that quite a bit in the last 522 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 1: ten years, with more guys out scouting in the summer 523 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 1: and pulling off the side of the road. There's a 524 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: big deer don't like to be seen, even in July 525 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 1: and August. And there are certain nights that I focus 526 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 1: on in the summer to increase my efforts and success 527 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 1: on seeing those big deer out in the fields because 528 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 1: I can't I don't have the time, you know, to 529 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,639 Speaker 1: be out there every night in the summer like I 530 00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,360 Speaker 1: used to be. And there are certain nights that are 531 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,159 Speaker 1: better than others for catching those big dear out in 532 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 1: the fields. So you look at the same types of 533 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:08,920 Speaker 1: factors like the moon and temperature and other weather stuff 534 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 1: like that to impact deer movement that we look at 535 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 1: in the season. Is that the same stuff you kean 536 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 1: during the summer for your scouting. Yeah, exactly. Maybe not 537 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 1: so much the wind in the summer, but definitely the 538 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 1: weather and the moon. You know, when you get the 539 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 1: cool evenings or an evening when you know rains and 540 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: then the sun comes out and you've got some moisture 541 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: on these plants, you know, dear just coming out of 542 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: the woodwork. And then of course the moon. Um. I 543 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,199 Speaker 1: just in the last twenty years, I've just seen it 544 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 1: happen too many times when that moon's peaking in the 545 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: evenings that especially the maturity or seemed to show up early. 546 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 1: And that's really what I've focused on her and fift 547 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: twenty years now for those bigger animals, trying to locate 548 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 1: them in the summer. So those those deer though you 549 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 1: find in the summer, Let's say you let's say you 550 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 1: did this, you went out there, you scouted near some 551 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 1: different little saints where areas you found you found a 552 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 1: buck you're really interested in. It's it's August though, yes, 553 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 1: you glassed him into bean field. He was out there 554 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 1: every other day through all of August. But now it's 555 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 1: early September, and maybe like did you go and get 556 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 1: you asked on every property nearby and maybe you've got 557 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 1: permission on one of them or two of them, but 558 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: not September, and you're now you're trying to decide, Okay, 559 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 1: are they still there? Are they still around or did 560 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 1: there was there fall range somewhere? Totally different, like how 561 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 1: do you try to verify that? Is it just that 562 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 1: we talked about earlier? Did you go and put a 563 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,280 Speaker 1: camera out and now you're waiting to see if the 564 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 1: camera starts popping in September? Or is there something else 565 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 1: you do to try to verify is he here? It's 566 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 1: a shot in the dark when you catch one in 567 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: the summer. Because you did, you didn't have a chance 568 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: to do your your postseason scouting to know where his 569 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 1: core area is, so you don't know if he does 570 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 1: they initially he's going to relocate to. Really, the best 571 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 1: thing you know for catching a big during the summer 572 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 1: and you find one on the field is just you know, 573 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 1: I call it um uh summer observation. And that's getting 574 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 1: up in a tree or you know, in a truck 575 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 1: from a few hundred yards away, and keeping an eye 576 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 1: on the area with a spotting scope, and and just 577 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 1: not tipping that deer off because you bust one in 578 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 1: the summer on debt and pretty much most of the 579 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 1: time he's gonna be gone. So you get permission on 580 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: any any adjacent spots that you can, and the last 581 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 1: thing you want to do is just busted deer like that, 582 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 1: to just keep an eye on him from a distance, 583 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 1: try to you know, you know, through aerial photographs and 584 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: some low impact scouting, you know, trying to figure out 585 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 1: what he's doing. But it's that's a completely different game, 586 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 1: you know, when you find one in the summer, when 587 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 1: you've got nothing other to go on other than just 588 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: seeing him out in the field, you know, that could 589 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: be that could be tough. So what about a situation 590 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 1: where like, what if this is actually happening right now? 591 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 1: You just got permission in late August, it's a week later, 592 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 1: it's early September, You've done the truck observations, you sat 593 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 1: on the hill of the spotter. Would you risk going 594 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 1: in and doing a walk about still at this late 595 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 1: in the game with your season opening four weeks from 596 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: an how or whatever? Or would you say, now, I'm 597 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 1: not even gonna walk in there once. I'm just gonna 598 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 1: start hunting running gun, you know, once the season starts. 599 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 1: I don't want to muck it up at all. How 600 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 1: would you think about things one month off from the season? Now? Man, 601 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 1: you just you gotta handle it carefully, and it's going 602 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 1: to differ from from, you know, one scenario to the next. 603 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 1: But one deer comes to my mind. You know, I 604 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 1: was chasing a giant eight point I don't know, six 605 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 1: or seven years ago, and he was camped out in 606 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: a really small swaving field and it was just surrounded 607 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 1: by a couple of fence lines and at a ditch, 608 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:57,239 Speaker 1: little wooded creek line. And I've been up in a 609 00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 1: tree a couple of times, and I saw him moving 610 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 1: across the field, and I knew the direction he was 611 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 1: heading in the evenings, but I had no stands in there, 612 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 1: so I waited till I got a good wind. I 613 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 1: knew that that deer was not gonna win to me 614 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 1: out in that field during the day, had a good 615 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,479 Speaker 1: rainy day, put some rubber boots on, got all cleaned up, 616 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 1: put a stand on the back, and I basically walked 617 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 1: a creek creek line up to where I thought he 618 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 1: was entering um or exiting the field and hunger stand 619 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 1: and killed him the second week of season. Um, you know, 620 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 1: coming through the beans and and heading in that same direction. 621 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 1: So it's a matter of watching them, seeing what they're doing, 622 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 1: not alerting them to what you're doing, and just really 623 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 1: being smart about entering and exiting the property, making sure 624 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 1: you don't tip them off, being really clean and you know, 625 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: going in with the stand on your back, minimal disturbance, um, 626 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 1: you know, and sometimes even a hanging hunt, yeah, I know, 627 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 1: if if you don't have the opportunity to get it 628 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,239 Speaker 1: done beforehand, you know, you might have to put that 629 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 1: stand and sticks on your back and do it and 630 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 1: and hang them and hunt the same you know, same evening, right, 631 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 1: all right? Is any of this process different? Um on properties? 632 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,479 Speaker 1: You know? So we we started there and then we 633 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 1: went to this new property example. But now let's go 634 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 1: back to a property. You do know you've hunted a 635 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 1: farm year after year after year, you get a big 636 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 1: buck that shows up on your camera on your mineral 637 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 1: side on September five. Let's say, once you're opening days approaching, 638 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,080 Speaker 1: do you still try to get some nights to do 639 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 1: some observations this last few days of the last week. 640 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 1: Are you still trying to do that or do you 641 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 1: know these spots well enough that it's just better not 642 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 1: to risk it at all and just wait till that 643 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,959 Speaker 1: right time to hunt. You know, I love to have 644 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 1: things set pre set, you know, weeks or months in advance, 645 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:57,480 Speaker 1: but that's not always the case with things changing. You know, 646 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 1: with a food source change and or hunting pressure or whatever. 647 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 1: You know, stuff can change at the last minute. Or 648 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 1: you know, you might have a new buck show up 649 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 1: on your property, but regardless, he had to be ready 650 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,680 Speaker 1: to change it up at a moment's notice. And even 651 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 1: on a property that you know, Um, if a big 652 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,799 Speaker 1: deer year after or a new one shows up in 653 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,879 Speaker 1: a specific spot during daylight making a mistake, I mean, 654 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 1: you got to be ready to dive in and get 655 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,400 Speaker 1: it done. And one of the biggest deer ever killed 656 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,880 Speaker 1: was a dear I knew about, and after all the 657 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,840 Speaker 1: postseason scouting and summer scouting I did on that property, 658 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 1: I couldn't find that dear. To save my life, and 659 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 1: I kept doing my you know, my distance scouting observation stands. 660 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 1: Finally saw that deer show up mid October one evening 661 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,719 Speaker 1: out in the middle of the field. Um, I was 662 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:55,880 Speaker 1: a few hundred yards away. He had no idea I 663 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,399 Speaker 1: was there. Um sat that field for the next week. 664 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 1: He didn't go back up, and then cornfield on on 665 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 1: the end of the property went down. He popped out 666 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 1: one evening with the doze, and I didn't have anything 667 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 1: set up in there. So the next evening I went 668 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 1: in with the stand and sticks on my back and 669 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,360 Speaker 1: hung in. Uh, hung on the edge of the field 670 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 1: and had dark right before dark. He stood up about 671 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:24,920 Speaker 1: eight yards away and ended up killing him. So so 672 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,759 Speaker 1: you gotta be ready. You gotta be ready to you know, 673 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 1: hanging hunt or change things up at a moment's notice, 674 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:36,040 Speaker 1: even during season. Right, it seems like like as much 675 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,240 Speaker 1: work as you do in the off season, being able 676 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,319 Speaker 1: to stay on top of the recent intel is just 677 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:46,919 Speaker 1: as important to flesh out that full picture. Um yea, 678 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:52,920 Speaker 1: you mentioned observation stands. Um, so we're we're in the season. Now, 679 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:57,400 Speaker 1: let's say we've done this postseason scouting. We monitor areas 680 00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,000 Speaker 1: in the summer trying to glass fields. We had mineral site. 681 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,360 Speaker 1: It's out there that were getting pictures of box. Um. 682 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 1: But now the season has opened, do you I know 683 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:07,879 Speaker 1: a lot of people go in there and actually, I'm 684 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:09,680 Speaker 1: gonna take what I just bet said back. Let's not 685 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:13,920 Speaker 1: talk about observation stands yet. Let's let's first talk about 686 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 1: opening night. Do you oftentimes go in for that opening 687 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,879 Speaker 1: night kill like a lot of people do, or are 688 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:25,000 Speaker 1: you still playing it safe in trying to do use 689 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 1: your observation watch, watch, watch, and then zero win on them. Um, 690 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,479 Speaker 1: what does that first night look like for you? Because 691 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,520 Speaker 1: that can be tough to do, to have the intel 692 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:36,880 Speaker 1: to dive right in and go for a kill the 693 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 1: first night unless you can see him from the road 694 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:43,880 Speaker 1: or something. Right. Yeah, Yet, I know what you're saying. 695 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,879 Speaker 1: And just because it's opening night doesn't necessarily mean I'm 696 00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 1: going to go in. No, I'm not going to go 697 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,720 Speaker 1: in unless I've either seen that dear making a mistake 698 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,319 Speaker 1: and daylight or I've got a few things on my 699 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:59,320 Speaker 1: side that makes me believe that that deer is probably 700 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 1: going to get up in move and that's got to be, 701 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,799 Speaker 1: you know, a good win for him. Um, a good 702 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,160 Speaker 1: weather condition prompt that deer to get up and move, 703 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,640 Speaker 1: or the moon. You know, and anybody that knows me 704 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,800 Speaker 1: knows I've followed the moon for a long time. And 705 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:20,160 Speaker 1: unless there's a couple of those factors, you know, the wind, 706 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,640 Speaker 1: weather and moon lining up, the chances are I'm not 707 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:24,960 Speaker 1: going to go in unless those things are on my side, 708 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,560 Speaker 1: because you just can't go in and not get it 709 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,480 Speaker 1: done early season, because that deer is gonna end up 710 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:35,319 Speaker 1: picking up on picking up on you. Is Csmelia here 711 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 1: you if you don't kill him, catch you coming out 712 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,719 Speaker 1: after dark. I mean, I want to kill that deer 713 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:42,320 Speaker 1: the first time that I go in, And so I 714 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 1: want to stack the deck in my favor and make 715 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:49,520 Speaker 1: sure I've got the moon pushing him to get up early, 716 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 1: some kind of weather condition that's pushing him to get up, 717 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,880 Speaker 1: um the wind in his favor, so it feels safe 718 00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,840 Speaker 1: enough to move. You know, I want all that stuff 719 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,600 Speaker 1: lined up before I dive in. And you know, I 720 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:06,960 Speaker 1: don't want anybody to to misinterpret what I'm saying. You know, 721 00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:08,960 Speaker 1: I pay attention to the moon, but if it's not 722 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,000 Speaker 1: a good moon, even doesn't mean I'm not hunting you know, 723 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,120 Speaker 1: if it's opening evening and I don't have any of 724 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,480 Speaker 1: that stuff going on, you know, I might be three 725 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,839 Speaker 1: yards away at another true stand watching that area, or 726 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,439 Speaker 1: maybe on a different property with another deer. I'm still 727 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:28,960 Speaker 1: out hunting, but if I know where I need to 728 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,719 Speaker 1: be to kill a specific deer, I want as many 729 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:34,760 Speaker 1: of those things in my favor as I can before 730 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:36,880 Speaker 1: I'm going to take a chance to go in and 731 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,919 Speaker 1: try to kill that dear. Yeah, this uh, this big 732 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,440 Speaker 1: Ohio buck you've got on your radar this year. You 733 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,319 Speaker 1: said you've been hunting him for three or four years. 734 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:49,920 Speaker 1: As that we said, yeah, yeah, do you have or 735 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,560 Speaker 1: can you do you have a game plan? Like do 736 00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,719 Speaker 1: you already know in your head I think I'm gonna 737 00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:57,799 Speaker 1: kill him in this spot and I'm just gonna wait 738 00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,759 Speaker 1: for the right time to do it, or are you 739 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:02,480 Speaker 1: going to be trying to figure that out in the 740 00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,920 Speaker 1: coming weeks, you know, having four years of history with him, 741 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,120 Speaker 1: I do have a couple of spots that have kind 742 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,320 Speaker 1: of you know, set the trap and have them prepared 743 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:18,280 Speaker 1: and going to wait for you know, specific scenarios before 744 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,120 Speaker 1: I'll go into those spots. But then also, you know 745 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,239 Speaker 1: there's other places on the farm where I think I 746 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,040 Speaker 1: could kill them. Just all depends on the deer. You know. 747 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,080 Speaker 1: If you do everything you can to prepare yourself and 748 00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,560 Speaker 1: kind of kind of try to predict what you think 749 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,720 Speaker 1: is going to happen, and sometimes that's the way it happens. 750 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:40,360 Speaker 1: Sometimes it's not. Sometimes you know, the deer changes something 751 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:44,000 Speaker 1: up or does something completely different. I mean, the only 752 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:47,080 Speaker 1: thing definite about hounding the big deers, and nothing's ever definitely. 753 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:51,360 Speaker 1: So prepare for what you can and be ready to 754 00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,000 Speaker 1: do what you need to if things change up. Ye 755 00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,759 Speaker 1: walk me through the scenario. Then let's if you don't mind, 756 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,080 Speaker 1: let's use that big Ohio buck as an example. Um, 757 00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,040 Speaker 1: let's just say hypothetically that the first few days of 758 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:06,680 Speaker 1: the season go by and you don't have that you 759 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,239 Speaker 1: don't have great conditions, so you're not really diving in 760 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:13,200 Speaker 1: there for him. It's it's October. Now, how are you 761 00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,600 Speaker 1: going about hunting him with? I know you've talked about 762 00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,160 Speaker 1: observation stands in the past. Can you just expand on 763 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,759 Speaker 1: that a little bit? How you use observation stands to 764 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:25,200 Speaker 1: try to locate and zoom in on where these deer 765 00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,640 Speaker 1: are and what they're doing. You know, it's a it's 766 00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:33,640 Speaker 1: a location or a tree stand that's outside of the game. 767 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:37,640 Speaker 1: You know, where I'm sure the deer is not going 768 00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:41,759 Speaker 1: to pick up on me come in or leaving, and 769 00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:47,760 Speaker 1: where I've got really good visual um opportunities to catch, 770 00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:50,880 Speaker 1: you know, to get a look at them moving, making 771 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:55,080 Speaker 1: a mistake, you know, watching them come through c RP, 772 00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,640 Speaker 1: watching them go through the food plots. You know, I've 773 00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,439 Speaker 1: got trail cameras on all those spots where I think 774 00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,719 Speaker 1: I might get an opportunity killing. So not only am 775 00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,640 Speaker 1: I going to be able to catch him coming through 776 00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:12,440 Speaker 1: those areas on camera, but if he hasn't discourt the camera, 777 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,480 Speaker 1: if I'm in an observation stand up, might be able 778 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:18,160 Speaker 1: to pick up on that. But you know, I know 779 00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:22,319 Speaker 1: how that dear moves through the farm where I've seen 780 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:27,640 Speaker 1: him in the past. You know his history, um is, 781 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,719 Speaker 1: you know, coming through the plots that I have set 782 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,439 Speaker 1: up the White Toil Institute plots right on those Red 783 00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,200 Speaker 1: Moody means. I mean, he's been really consistent on that. 784 00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,279 Speaker 1: It's just a matter of where he happens to be 785 00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,520 Speaker 1: betting at and how he gets to those spots. Just 786 00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:47,040 Speaker 1: Dear in particular beds and like six different places, so 787 00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,719 Speaker 1: it's really hard to tell where he's going to be 788 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,359 Speaker 1: coming from. So that's another thing to try to key 789 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,839 Speaker 1: on on these observation spots. You know where where they're 790 00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,160 Speaker 1: coming from and what they're doing. I mean, you're just 791 00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:02,000 Speaker 1: looking for a little pieces to the puzzle. Yeah, so 792 00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,640 Speaker 1: you're you're up in the tree, you see the buck 793 00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:09,239 Speaker 1: I'm imagining you see him. You're thinking in yourself in 794 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,600 Speaker 1: your head, Okay, where'd you come from? Where is he headed? 795 00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,160 Speaker 1: But what are the other things that are running through 796 00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,319 Speaker 1: your brain as you're trying to analyze, Like, you just 797 00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,880 Speaker 1: have this observation, You just got this piece of the puzzle. 798 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:22,920 Speaker 1: What are all the things that you're trying to dissect 799 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:24,879 Speaker 1: from this piece of the puzzle, Because I imagine there's 800 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,279 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff you can glean from this ten 801 00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:31,439 Speaker 1: second observation. Possibly what's Adam Hayes trying to get out 802 00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,480 Speaker 1: of that trill? It pretty simple? You know, how can 803 00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,920 Speaker 1: you use that information to kill that deer immediately? You know? 804 00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,920 Speaker 1: You get that's when it's when you see him doing something, 805 00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:45,760 Speaker 1: see him making a mistake, you gotta you gotta react, 806 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,239 Speaker 1: and you gotta kill him immediately. You know, you don't 807 00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:51,680 Speaker 1: wait for it to cool off. You don't go in 808 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,319 Speaker 1: and hang a stand and give it a couple of days. 809 00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,320 Speaker 1: I mean, you gotta go in and get it done. 810 00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,759 Speaker 1: So just trying to take that information and use it 811 00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:01,839 Speaker 1: to figure out how I kill that deer as soon 812 00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:06,240 Speaker 1: as possible because things are changing way too much and 813 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,080 Speaker 1: you never know what's going to happen. And that's that's 814 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:10,880 Speaker 1: when you got to get aggressive and go in and 815 00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,000 Speaker 1: get it done. If you observe a deer, then let's 816 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,960 Speaker 1: say it's October, you see a buck, do something. Are 817 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,239 Speaker 1: you gonna go immediately the very next set, like the 818 00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,320 Speaker 1: next morning, or you gonna wait for the next evening, 819 00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,200 Speaker 1: or are you waiting for the next time the wind 820 00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,680 Speaker 1: does the exact same thing. When you say go as 821 00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,279 Speaker 1: soon as possible, what do you what exactly do you 822 00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,720 Speaker 1: mean as quickly as you can get in there without 823 00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:36,640 Speaker 1: disturbing the deer? You know, I don't do a lot 824 00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:40,080 Speaker 1: of morning hunts in October. I like to know those 825 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,640 Speaker 1: deer betted when I go into the farm, and you know, 826 00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:47,400 Speaker 1: beating a big duck, beating a big buck into his 827 00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,040 Speaker 1: bed early season when he's on strip. Feeding pattern is 828 00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:54,480 Speaker 1: next to impossible early season. So I'm gonna take a chance. 829 00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,319 Speaker 1: And I've tried a few evenings. You could kill him 830 00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,120 Speaker 1: and I can't get it done. And I know right 831 00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,680 Speaker 1: where he's betting. I've got to stand ready or I 832 00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:03,640 Speaker 1: know the train need to be in for a morning hunt. 833 00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,799 Speaker 1: I'm gonna wait till I get a good moon just 834 00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,439 Speaker 1: after daylight. Seems like that's your best chance to catch 835 00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,640 Speaker 1: them coming back just a little bit late in the 836 00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:16,600 Speaker 1: mornings during early season. But yeah, I mean, you just 837 00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:18,839 Speaker 1: can't go stumbling right in just because you see him 838 00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:22,359 Speaker 1: do something and not put any thought into it in 839 00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:26,160 Speaker 1: a bust, name and ruin, ruining the whole you know, 840 00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,239 Speaker 1: clue that you just got on what he's doing. I mean, 841 00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,000 Speaker 1: you gotta be smart about it. You can't tip them off. 842 00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,880 Speaker 1: So you gotta keep the wind in your face. You 843 00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:39,000 Speaker 1: gotta keep your keep your as much of your sin 844 00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:43,000 Speaker 1: eliminated as you can not leave anything behind. And you 845 00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,880 Speaker 1: know you can't go in and clear a tree like 846 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,360 Speaker 1: the utility company just came through. I mean, you just 847 00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,640 Speaker 1: gotta you gotta go. You gotta go in and do 848 00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:55,879 Speaker 1: it smart. Yeah, Now does that change it? Although during 849 00:44:55,920 --> 00:45:00,480 Speaker 1: the run, because I always I have this internal dilemma myself. Right, 850 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,000 Speaker 1: if I see a buck do something on October one, 851 00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:04,840 Speaker 1: I feel like there's a decent chance he might do 852 00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,359 Speaker 1: the same thing October two, because it's still relatively early. 853 00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,760 Speaker 1: He's in that somewhat of a betting to feed pattern 854 00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,279 Speaker 1: that's going to be hopefully kind of consistent. But if 855 00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,200 Speaker 1: I see a buck do something on November two, hell, 856 00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,560 Speaker 1: he might be two miles away the next day, or 857 00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:19,479 Speaker 1: he might have just been passing through a year behind 858 00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,880 Speaker 1: the dough. If you make an observation in early November, 859 00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,160 Speaker 1: during the heat of the rut, do you still make 860 00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,359 Speaker 1: a move on that observation or are you gonna say 861 00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,040 Speaker 1: that was probably a random I mean, what do you 862 00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,120 Speaker 1: got to lose? You know? At that point, if you 863 00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:37,359 Speaker 1: see him to do something one day, um, why not 864 00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:41,400 Speaker 1: take a chance on him doing it again the next day? Yeah, 865 00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:43,719 Speaker 1: So you go for it, you make you make that move. 866 00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,120 Speaker 1: Yeah you might as Yeah, you might as well go 867 00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,080 Speaker 1: where you get nothing else to go on. I mean, 868 00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,680 Speaker 1: we're not recreating the wheel here. If you see a 869 00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:56,200 Speaker 1: buck make a mistake, whether it's in October November, you 870 00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,920 Speaker 1: might as well try to capitalize it, capitalize on it. Okay, 871 00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,320 Speaker 1: I definitely want to be there if he does it again, 872 00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:06,240 Speaker 1: because if not, it's my mistake. Yeah, that's the worst 873 00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,359 Speaker 1: feeling too. If you sit there and you debate back 874 00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,520 Speaker 1: and forth. I I know because I've done this. I've 875 00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:12,920 Speaker 1: debated back and forth, and I'm gonna wait and see 876 00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,040 Speaker 1: if he does it twice, and then he does it 877 00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:20,000 Speaker 1: twice and I'm not there, that'll that'll stick with you. Um, 878 00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:23,280 Speaker 1: all right, can you elaborate just a little bit on 879 00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:28,160 Speaker 1: you know, how you're going in in season and doing 880 00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,279 Speaker 1: these hanging hunts, because you alluded to the fact that 881 00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,040 Speaker 1: you have to be able to set up in a 882 00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,120 Speaker 1: way that you're not going to spook that dear. Of course, 883 00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:37,799 Speaker 1: you can't clear out like a utility company. Um. But 884 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:39,959 Speaker 1: for those that aren't already doing this kind of hanging 885 00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,640 Speaker 1: hunt often it might be helpful just to hear your 886 00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,480 Speaker 1: specific process. I mean, I'm kind of curious, like, do 887 00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:47,799 Speaker 1: you go in there with three sticks or four? Do 888 00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:49,960 Speaker 1: you trim any lanes at all? Or do you just 889 00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,400 Speaker 1: sneak up as quiet and don't touch a thing? Um? 890 00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,799 Speaker 1: Like your entire process would be kind of interesting just 891 00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:58,040 Speaker 1: to hear how you're actually getting set up uptight to 892 00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,680 Speaker 1: one of these spots in season, is only for evening 893 00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,040 Speaker 1: hunts or do you ever go into hours before daylight 894 00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,760 Speaker 1: and try to do something in the morning like that 895 00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:07,719 Speaker 1: that's tough to pull it off in the morning in 896 00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:13,280 Speaker 1: the dark. Um. Yeah, I don't do that very often 897 00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,680 Speaker 1: at all. I'll tell you a trick I did learn 898 00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:19,640 Speaker 1: though from Andre to Quisto, the original owner of Lone 899 00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:23,279 Speaker 1: Wolf tree stands, keep going and set up for an 900 00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:27,400 Speaker 1: afternoon hunt, and then if it didn't pan out, he 901 00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,600 Speaker 1: might dive right back into that same stand the next morning. 902 00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,680 Speaker 1: And I found that, you know, carrying all that equipment 903 00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:37,560 Speaker 1: and you know, stand sticks, bow, plus all my camera 904 00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:41,840 Speaker 1: equipment because I'm filming myself, that it's a lot easier 905 00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,560 Speaker 1: to go in and hunt in the evening and then 906 00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,799 Speaker 1: just leave everything in the tree. I mean, I leave 907 00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:51,759 Speaker 1: my bow hanging, leave my osonics hanging camera set up, 908 00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,880 Speaker 1: everything's ready to go. Just climb up in your all set. 909 00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:58,319 Speaker 1: And I do that a lot for morning hunts, but 910 00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,960 Speaker 1: it's difficult early season to do that, and you can't 911 00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,800 Speaker 1: do that with a lot of um, with every tree 912 00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:08,120 Speaker 1: stand on the market and I've used, you know, low 913 00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:12,000 Speaker 1: wolf stuff forever. You know, being able to go in 914 00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,439 Speaker 1: and hanging stands and a stick within a hundred yards 915 00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:19,720 Speaker 1: of a two hundred class white tail and not tip 916 00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:24,279 Speaker 1: him off, um to your presence is next to impossible. 917 00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,560 Speaker 1: But I've been able to do it with their stuff, 918 00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:30,520 Speaker 1: So I can't say enough about their equipment and the 919 00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:35,320 Speaker 1: stealth and quietness other products. But yeah, you know, putting 920 00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:39,520 Speaker 1: that stuff on your back, not touching anything, being extremely 921 00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:45,360 Speaker 1: sent free with um, you know, from my gear to 922 00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:48,480 Speaker 1: my clothes to my body, you know. And then when 923 00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,040 Speaker 1: you go into a spot like that that you might 924 00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:52,960 Speaker 1: not have been in before, you never know what's going 925 00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,719 Speaker 1: to show up on your down wind side. So you know, 926 00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:02,400 Speaker 1: I'm not going into those spots without my sonys. Um. 927 00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:05,480 Speaker 1: You just gotta cover all your bases and be prepared 928 00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:09,680 Speaker 1: for everything. And I do minimal trimming. UM. I don't 929 00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:13,120 Speaker 1: worry about taking five or six sticks in on a 930 00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,080 Speaker 1: spot like that and being thirty ft up. I hardly 931 00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,600 Speaker 1: ever hunt that high anymore. I'm more concerned about being 932 00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:21,719 Speaker 1: in the right spot and having a little bit of breakup. 933 00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,800 Speaker 1: And it seems like sometimes the higher you go in 934 00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,520 Speaker 1: the tree, the more you actually stand out. So I'm 935 00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:30,880 Speaker 1: I'm just concerned about being in the right spot and 936 00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:36,760 Speaker 1: on leaving any scent behind and being as quiet as possible. 937 00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,960 Speaker 1: Do you have a like a consistent process of how 938 00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:44,920 Speaker 1: you get up in the tree quietly, because like, this 939 00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,120 Speaker 1: is something I've asked a handful of people about recently. 940 00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,880 Speaker 1: I've just been trying to make my hanging hunt process 941 00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:55,080 Speaker 1: more efficient and quieter and faster, and so I've started, um, 942 00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:57,359 Speaker 1: you know, using a couple different gear ties that tied 943 00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,399 Speaker 1: two of the sticks to my hips. I put one 944 00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,839 Speaker 1: stick on the tree, I climb up, I hank, pull 945 00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:04,880 Speaker 1: the one stick off of my hip, put on the 946 00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,480 Speaker 1: next one, climb up, pull the other one off my hip, 947 00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,000 Speaker 1: climb up, and then I have alignment's or I've got 948 00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:11,759 Speaker 1: a toe rope down to my bow and a toe 949 00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,759 Speaker 1: rope down to my standard platform. And once I get 950 00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:16,759 Speaker 1: up to my top position, then I already have those 951 00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:18,560 Speaker 1: ropes on my hips. I just pull each one up. 952 00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:20,879 Speaker 1: I don't have to go up and down at all. 953 00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,279 Speaker 1: Um That's something that I've just been slowly kind of 954 00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,120 Speaker 1: working on and trying to make it more efficient. Do 955 00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,759 Speaker 1: you do you have a system place I've tried. I've 956 00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:33,120 Speaker 1: tried that. If I haven't found anything that works for me, No, 957 00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:38,000 Speaker 1: it's definitely ill. It makes a big difference. Yeah, it 958 00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:41,319 Speaker 1: makes a big difference if you can obviously undo all 959 00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:43,759 Speaker 1: your straps before you climb up into the tree, so 960 00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:45,880 Speaker 1: you're not messing around with all that stuff. And I 961 00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,440 Speaker 1: use you know, I use that sound barrier tape and 962 00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:52,480 Speaker 1: a lot of cameo hockey tape on all of my 963 00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:57,520 Speaker 1: you know, buckles and straps and stands. I mean, I 964 00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:01,240 Speaker 1: I pretty much eliminate any metal to metal contact on everything, 965 00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:06,000 Speaker 1: so that it only it only takes one little you know, 966 00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:09,319 Speaker 1: ting from a buckle hitting your stand to tip a 967 00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:12,319 Speaker 1: big deer off that might be better close by. So 968 00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,759 Speaker 1: I mean you've got to cover all your basis and 969 00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:21,160 Speaker 1: not leave anything to chance. But yeah, yeah, I love 970 00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:23,200 Speaker 1: to have a tree with a lot of limbs so 971 00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:25,200 Speaker 1: I can hang my sticks on the limbs as I'm 972 00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:28,160 Speaker 1: going up, so I have to keep climbing up back, 973 00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:31,400 Speaker 1: up and down, up and down. But I haven't been 974 00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:34,040 Speaker 1: able to come across anything that really works good for 975 00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,959 Speaker 1: climbing up and keeping all your sticks on you trying 976 00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:42,200 Speaker 1: to hang onto the tree and grab grab your sticks. 977 00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,000 Speaker 1: It's just you know, it's it's tough, it's a process. 978 00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:51,880 Speaker 1: What about it? What about this scenario? Um, let's say 979 00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,520 Speaker 1: you're going to go into do a hanging hunt. Maybe 980 00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:57,920 Speaker 1: you saw buck the night before, or maybe you just 981 00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:00,320 Speaker 1: are you know, you want to head to us spot. 982 00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,879 Speaker 1: You're walking in and as you're walking in, you see 983 00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:08,960 Speaker 1: some great sign, fresh sign that looks like it just happened. 984 00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,399 Speaker 1: Maybe maybe it's a huge rub that just got tore 985 00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:12,719 Speaker 1: up a couple of day or just a couple of 986 00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,160 Speaker 1: hours ago, or last night or something. You see something 987 00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:21,719 Speaker 1: that catches your eye. UM, I'm curious. Would you say 988 00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,160 Speaker 1: I need to hunt this right now and change your 989 00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:26,919 Speaker 1: plane and hunt that fresh hot sign right right now, 990 00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:30,040 Speaker 1: or would you say, well, I'm gonna put that away 991 00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:32,160 Speaker 1: in the filing cabinet, keep that as mentel, but I'm 992 00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:36,680 Speaker 1: gonna stick with my plan. It just depends on the situation. 993 00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:41,440 Speaker 1: And yeah, I just said I'll do everything I can 994 00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:44,759 Speaker 1: to hunt the freshest sign. So you're definitely going to 995 00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:46,920 Speaker 1: take it into consideration. But you've got to be able 996 00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:50,600 Speaker 1: to read the read the area, and you know, read 997 00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:52,600 Speaker 1: the deer and what he's doing and why he did it, 998 00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:57,439 Speaker 1: which direction he's coming from, and and just so many 999 00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,400 Speaker 1: things come into play, and being able to read it 1000 00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:02,759 Speaker 1: and look at the big picture and see what's going on. 1001 00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,759 Speaker 1: I mean, you love to be able to set up 1002 00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:10,760 Speaker 1: over top of a you know, freshly steaming scrape or 1003 00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:13,520 Speaker 1: you know, a rub that just reeks because it just 1004 00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:16,719 Speaker 1: got shredded by a big deer and be right on 1005 00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:18,920 Speaker 1: the top of it. But it's really about, you know, 1006 00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:22,120 Speaker 1: looking at the big picture and why it happened and 1007 00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:25,799 Speaker 1: why it's right there, and you know the best best 1008 00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,640 Speaker 1: way to approach it. So it's tough to kind of 1009 00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:30,879 Speaker 1: wrap all that up into one sentence and say what 1010 00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:35,399 Speaker 1: to do. Yeah, yeah, that's that's the truth. Um well, 1011 00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:39,080 Speaker 1: then explain this to me. What would it take? Like 1012 00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:43,520 Speaker 1: can you imagine a scenario like that that would force 1013 00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:47,840 Speaker 1: you to hunt right then? Um? Like, is there is 1014 00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,840 Speaker 1: there one specific instance like I might be imagined in 1015 00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,399 Speaker 1: my head if I didn't have a really great game 1016 00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:54,920 Speaker 1: plan for the night. I didn't see a buck the 1017 00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:56,920 Speaker 1: night before, but I knew I wanted to try a 1018 00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,480 Speaker 1: new spot, and I'm hiking into that new spot and 1019 00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,120 Speaker 1: I see this like you just described, I see this 1020 00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:06,000 Speaker 1: huge tour up rub and it's it's stinky, and it's 1021 00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:08,600 Speaker 1: obviously it wasn't there yesterday. Maybe, so I know what 1022 00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:13,239 Speaker 1: happened between last night's walk out and this afternoon walking in, 1023 00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:18,000 Speaker 1: And I also know that I'm in a typical transition 1024 00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:21,279 Speaker 1: area and the winds right for me to hunt. You know, 1025 00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:22,959 Speaker 1: if a buck were coming out of the betting area 1026 00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:25,520 Speaker 1: is heading towards he might pass through the spot. That 1027 00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:27,840 Speaker 1: scenario maybe to me, would say, Okay, you know what, 1028 00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,839 Speaker 1: this is a spot of mature buck might likely come through. 1029 00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:32,400 Speaker 1: And it looks like there was a buck that just 1030 00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:35,520 Speaker 1: came through here last night doing that very thing. This 1031 00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:38,600 Speaker 1: seems like a good thing to set up on right now. Um, 1032 00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:41,000 Speaker 1: is that the kind of scenario that you might jump 1033 00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:43,480 Speaker 1: on that hot set right away? Or what's what's a 1034 00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:46,640 Speaker 1: different scenario maybe that that would cause you to hit 1035 00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:50,279 Speaker 1: it immediately In that way, you know, it's tough just 1036 00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:52,440 Speaker 1: going by sign because you don't know if it was 1037 00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:55,040 Speaker 1: made at the middle of the night, you know, So 1038 00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:58,120 Speaker 1: what happens if you find that fresh hoot sign and 1039 00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:01,240 Speaker 1: he set up on it, but everything is not lining 1040 00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,320 Speaker 1: up for that deer to move during daylight? So you 1041 00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:06,200 Speaker 1: hunt there, you don't see him. You get down after 1042 00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:08,560 Speaker 1: dark and you bump him going out because he's still 1043 00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:11,879 Speaker 1: moving after dark. You know. I mean, there's just so 1044 00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:16,360 Speaker 1: many different scenarios to think about. But I mean, you know, 1045 00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:18,520 Speaker 1: sometimes you just gotta go with your gut and if 1046 00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:22,000 Speaker 1: it seems like a good thing and in fresh sign 1047 00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:24,160 Speaker 1: and a great evening and you gotta stand on your back, 1048 00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:27,839 Speaker 1: why not take the crack at it. Yeah, it's hard 1049 00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:31,680 Speaker 1: to it's hard to cart compartmentalize, you know, something like 1050 00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,279 Speaker 1: that and say this is exactly what you gotta do. 1051 00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,320 Speaker 1: Sometimes you just gotta go with your gut instincts and 1052 00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:41,239 Speaker 1: do it. He thinks, right. But the main thing I'm 1053 00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:45,399 Speaker 1: looking for is is other than sign, is to catch 1054 00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:50,319 Speaker 1: them that you're you're doing something during daylight. Because I 1055 00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:52,719 Speaker 1: don't care what you say, they're just no way to 1056 00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:57,760 Speaker 1: kill a big deer unless he's moving during daylight. Sounds oversimplified, 1057 00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:01,400 Speaker 1: but that's really what it's all about. I do everything 1058 00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:03,840 Speaker 1: I can to catch the big deer movement during daylight, 1059 00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:08,360 Speaker 1: whether it's seating from an observation stand, catching a picture 1060 00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:11,680 Speaker 1: of him doing it, or like I said, just lining 1061 00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:15,319 Speaker 1: up multiple factors. That's gonna put everything in that dear 1062 00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:19,680 Speaker 1: savor to get him a moving early now, because if 1063 00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:22,440 Speaker 1: we're trying to predict what he's gonna do before he 1064 00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:25,279 Speaker 1: does it, you know, and if you got a good 1065 00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:28,799 Speaker 1: win for him, got a good moon, it's pushing him 1066 00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:32,040 Speaker 1: up and it's you know, it's a it's mother nature. 1067 00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:34,759 Speaker 1: You know, it's an instinctive urge for him to get 1068 00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,480 Speaker 1: up and feed. And then you've got a weather pattern 1069 00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:41,200 Speaker 1: that's you know, high bre metric pressure or a cool 1070 00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,279 Speaker 1: front or something that's gonna push him to feed. I mean, 1071 00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:47,200 Speaker 1: those are things I'm I'm trying to line up. If 1072 00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:50,000 Speaker 1: I'm just going and blind hoping that I'm going to 1073 00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:52,239 Speaker 1: catch a big deer making a mistake, I want those 1074 00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:55,480 Speaker 1: things in my favor. Yeah. Do you ever find a 1075 00:56:55,520 --> 00:57:00,520 Speaker 1: situation where you don't get eyes on mature buck, Like 1076 00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:04,120 Speaker 1: you don't have any observations sightings of a deer you 1077 00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:07,040 Speaker 1: want to shoot, You don't have any daylight trail camera 1078 00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:09,799 Speaker 1: sightings of a buck you want to hunt, and you 1079 00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,680 Speaker 1: find yourself in a position where you have to in 1080 00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,920 Speaker 1: season actually go walk and look for a sign to 1081 00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,160 Speaker 1: help put you in the right position. Or is it 1082 00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:19,840 Speaker 1: always is there always going to be one of those 1083 00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:22,360 Speaker 1: other pieces of intel, So you don't need to actually 1084 00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:24,760 Speaker 1: do a walk about of any kind. Yeah, I've been 1085 00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:27,160 Speaker 1: there before. The last thing you want to do is 1086 00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:32,000 Speaker 1: spend you know, a week or two in October in 1087 00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:34,640 Speaker 1: a completely different spot. And if you've got nothing to 1088 00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:38,640 Speaker 1: go on, no pictures, no sign, I mean, what are 1089 00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:40,360 Speaker 1: you gonna do climb up in a tree and just 1090 00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:43,960 Speaker 1: hope something shows up. I mean, you gotta go find them. 1091 00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,880 Speaker 1: So worst case scenario if you've got nothing to go 1092 00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:49,480 Speaker 1: on and it's time to get the wind in your 1093 00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:52,680 Speaker 1: face and stand on your back and start, you know, 1094 00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:58,160 Speaker 1: start cruising and looking looking for something to hunt, and 1095 00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:00,880 Speaker 1: you don't want to spend a couple of the best 1096 00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:04,440 Speaker 1: weeks of the season in the completely wrong spot. Yeah. 1097 00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:07,320 Speaker 1: So I'm not one of those guys that's just going 1098 00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:09,280 Speaker 1: to climb up in a tree and just hope something 1099 00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:12,520 Speaker 1: shows up, just based on the fact that there's a 1100 00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:15,200 Speaker 1: big deer in the area. You know, you've got to 1101 00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:16,920 Speaker 1: have something to go by, and if I don't have 1102 00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:19,000 Speaker 1: anything to go by, I'm going to go find it. 1103 00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:22,800 Speaker 1: We talked about rubs already, m a little bit about scrapes, 1104 00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:25,200 Speaker 1: but what about tracks. How much do you pay attention 1105 00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:28,040 Speaker 1: to trying to find a big buck track? And and 1106 00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:31,680 Speaker 1: does that ever kind of factor into your decisions or 1107 00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:33,840 Speaker 1: into your scouting and use that as a as a 1108 00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:38,240 Speaker 1: piece of the puzzle at all? Very seldom, to be honest. 1109 00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:43,000 Speaker 1: I mean I've heard so many different explanations of tracks 1110 00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:46,800 Speaker 1: and tracked sizes and the dow claws and if they're 1111 00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:49,040 Speaker 1: spread apart, and how to tell a buck from a 1112 00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:51,760 Speaker 1: dough And I mean, you know, see a big deer 1113 00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:55,919 Speaker 1: track means there was a big deer there. I mean, 1114 00:58:56,520 --> 00:59:00,520 Speaker 1: I decided him. I've never put a whole lot into 1115 00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:06,280 Speaker 1: uh into tracks, to be honest. Well, scrapes though, we 1116 00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:08,880 Speaker 1: talked just a little bit about it, But what kind 1117 00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,840 Speaker 1: of scrape in season would you need to see to 1118 00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:14,600 Speaker 1: get excited? Um, you know a lot of people see 1119 00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:17,320 Speaker 1: these field edge scrapes, But then there's the talk that 1120 00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:20,560 Speaker 1: that's probably nighttime, So then some people prefer scrapes and 1121 00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:24,920 Speaker 1: other locations. Um, where's your head on scrapes when you're 1122 00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:27,320 Speaker 1: actually out there during hunting season? And how's that factor 1123 00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:30,600 Speaker 1: in new things? Yeah, it really doesn't matter what type 1124 00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:35,400 Speaker 1: of sign it is if it's you know, tracks, and trails, rubs, scrapes, 1125 00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:40,520 Speaker 1: whatever is. You want something that's fresh. But the key 1126 00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:44,520 Speaker 1: that I'm looking for is a mature animal making that 1127 00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:47,480 Speaker 1: sign during daylight. So I mean, they're gonna have a 1128 00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:51,240 Speaker 1: trail camera on a trail, on a scrape, on a rub. 1129 00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:55,040 Speaker 1: Get a look at that, dear, see what what it is, 1130 00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:57,840 Speaker 1: and when he's doing it before I'm typically before I'm 1131 00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:01,000 Speaker 1: going to hunt it. Okay, Uh, you know, when I 1132 01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:04,680 Speaker 1: want some documentation, I'm gonna not gonna camp out on 1133 01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:07,880 Speaker 1: a rub that a big year I'm after might not 1134 01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:12,000 Speaker 1: have even made and ever visited. You know, do you do? 1135 01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:15,760 Speaker 1: You look at a daylight trail camera picture the same 1136 01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:18,400 Speaker 1: as a daylight observation. So we talked about the fact 1137 01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:21,760 Speaker 1: that if you saw a shooter buck in daylight moving, 1138 01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:23,720 Speaker 1: you would go in there and hunt him as soon 1139 01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:26,600 Speaker 1: as you possibly could. Would you do the same thing 1140 01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:28,640 Speaker 1: or the camera If you've got a daylight picture, you're 1141 01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:33,200 Speaker 1: moving in and hunting that camera location as soon as possible. Yeah, 1142 01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:37,720 Speaker 1: he's still moving during daylight. That's the main thing. Where 1143 01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:41,920 Speaker 1: where where do your cameras typically go in season? I'm 1144 01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:45,200 Speaker 1: guessing that you switch them from your summer locations but 1145 01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:48,840 Speaker 1: is that is that true? If so, how I've got 1146 01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:52,360 Speaker 1: them monitoring those mineral sights back in the cover, I've 1147 01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:56,720 Speaker 1: got them on the um food plots, I've got them 1148 01:00:56,720 --> 01:01:00,280 Speaker 1: on the rub lines. I mean anywhere anywhere think I'm 1149 01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:01,960 Speaker 1: going to get a picture of that deer moving through 1150 01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:04,840 Speaker 1: an area that it's gonna help me know where he's 1151 01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:09,240 Speaker 1: at and when he's there. It's all about, you know 1152 01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:12,880 Speaker 1: the particular animal, where he's at, and where I think 1153 01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:14,960 Speaker 1: I need to be to kill him. You know, I 1154 01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:17,880 Speaker 1: have a lot of a lot of cameras set close 1155 01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:21,120 Speaker 1: to tree stands because I want to know when he's 1156 01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:23,800 Speaker 1: passing my tree standing daylight. So you need to have 1157 01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:26,240 Speaker 1: a camera close to that stand on the trail. Do 1158 01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:28,960 Speaker 1: you do anything to try to get better camera pictures? 1159 01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:31,480 Speaker 1: Or do you place any kind of attracting in front 1160 01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:33,520 Speaker 1: of most of your spots to try to get them 1161 01:01:33,520 --> 01:01:38,040 Speaker 1: to stop there, or use licking branches or anything at 1162 01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:41,400 Speaker 1: all on those typical camera sets. I'll use some set 1163 01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:45,400 Speaker 1: occasionally get him to stop. Um. Like I said, I 1164 01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:47,840 Speaker 1: do have a lot of them on mineral sites, so 1165 01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:52,440 Speaker 1: they're going to be stopping anyway. Um. We're putting them 1166 01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:54,800 Speaker 1: on you know, like a rub or a scrape, But 1167 01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:56,600 Speaker 1: you do want to put us somewhere where you've got 1168 01:01:56,600 --> 01:02:00,680 Speaker 1: a pretty good chance of that you're stopping. Yeah, you 1169 01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:05,600 Speaker 1: don't want to put them perpendicular to your trail um 1170 01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:08,760 Speaker 1: because I think you end up missing you know, pictures 1171 01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:11,400 Speaker 1: of deer coming through. You want to catch them coming 1172 01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:14,080 Speaker 1: towards the camera going away from it instead of just 1173 01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:18,720 Speaker 1: you know, you know what I'm talking about by perpendicularly. Yeah, 1174 01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:20,680 Speaker 1: you want to get a little of an angle so 1175 01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:26,240 Speaker 1: they're not just gonna flash in and out of it immediately, right, Yeah, 1176 01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:28,600 Speaker 1: How many cameras are you typically running or how many 1177 01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:31,880 Speaker 1: do you think it's let me rephrase the question. A 1178 01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:34,560 Speaker 1: lot of people wonder how many cameras they might need 1179 01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:39,120 Speaker 1: to effectively cover a certain area. So maybe let's let's 1180 01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:43,000 Speaker 1: let's start small. Let's say per forty acres. If we 1181 01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:44,880 Speaker 1: think that maybe that's like a small property A lot 1182 01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:47,320 Speaker 1: of people, maybe you can access. How many cameras per 1183 01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:49,880 Speaker 1: forty acres on average do you think would be good 1184 01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:53,720 Speaker 1: to get a salad idea of what's out there? Is 1185 01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:56,680 Speaker 1: that one camera is it? I mean obviously depends on 1186 01:02:56,720 --> 01:02:58,400 Speaker 1: how many you can afford and how many might it 1187 01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:00,560 Speaker 1: might be one. It might be it might be one, 1188 01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:03,720 Speaker 1: it might be twenty. It depends on the property, you know, 1189 01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:07,000 Speaker 1: just being able to read the property and know what's 1190 01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:09,800 Speaker 1: going on and how the deer using. I mean, sometimes 1191 01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:12,640 Speaker 1: you can know if a deer is coming in out 1192 01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:16,240 Speaker 1: of a property with one camera. Sometimes it takes multiple. 1193 01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:21,200 Speaker 1: You know, I'm hunting acres where that big deers in 1194 01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:23,400 Speaker 1: and I think we've got fifteen cameras on there, but 1195 01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:27,120 Speaker 1: I want to know, you know, exactly when that deer 1196 01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:29,320 Speaker 1: comes in and off the property and worries at and 1197 01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:32,360 Speaker 1: I've got you know, I've got it wired for sounds. 1198 01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:36,480 Speaker 1: So it's just it's just all about being able to 1199 01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:41,080 Speaker 1: read the property. And you know, if if you've got 1200 01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:43,600 Speaker 1: one specific area where the deer come in and out, 1201 01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:49,320 Speaker 1: it might only take one camera, right right, that's scenario 1202 01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:52,000 Speaker 1: with that big buck. Again. Then we've been talking about 1203 01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:56,600 Speaker 1: how do you think it's going to play out? Like 1204 01:03:57,080 --> 01:03:59,600 Speaker 1: what I'm curious to hear if you if someone put 1205 01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:02,040 Speaker 1: a gun to your head and said, Adam, you're gonna 1206 01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:03,600 Speaker 1: kill that big buck. We think you're gonna kill that 1207 01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:05,560 Speaker 1: big buck this year, But we we want you to 1208 01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:09,800 Speaker 1: guess the scenario of how it's going to happen. Um, 1209 01:04:09,920 --> 01:04:12,200 Speaker 1: You're forced to pick the spot you're gonna hunt. You're 1210 01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:14,400 Speaker 1: forced to make a guess on where he's better and 1211 01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:17,680 Speaker 1: where he's coming to. You're forced to pick the night 1212 01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:22,240 Speaker 1: or the day or the conditions it's going to happen. Um, 1213 01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:25,439 Speaker 1: walk me through your very best guess of how it's 1214 01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:28,320 Speaker 1: gonna come together and what you would have done to 1215 01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:33,960 Speaker 1: make that happen. I've got the three spots in particular 1216 01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:37,240 Speaker 1: that I have ready for that deer where I think 1217 01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:39,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna if I get a crack at him, an 1218 01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:41,880 Speaker 1: opportunity to an opportunity to kill him. In October, it's 1219 01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:44,600 Speaker 1: going to be in one of those three spots. It's 1220 01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:47,120 Speaker 1: gonna be on an evening where you know he's got 1221 01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:50,720 Speaker 1: a good wind in his favor to feel comfortable enough 1222 01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:54,040 Speaker 1: to get up and move. Um, that there has been 1223 01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:56,640 Speaker 1: notorious for showing up in my food plots on the 1224 01:04:56,680 --> 01:04:59,720 Speaker 1: red mood evenings from the Big Guide. So it's gonna 1225 01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:07,160 Speaker 1: be a red moon evening. And yeah, but the knowing 1226 01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:12,040 Speaker 1: when those days hit this month, I'm gonna have three 1227 01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:17,040 Speaker 1: opportunities in October this year, beginning of the month the 1228 01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:18,600 Speaker 1: middle of the month and the end of the month, 1229 01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:22,560 Speaker 1: and I think one of those three times is probably 1230 01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:26,120 Speaker 1: when it's gonna happen, if it happens, And those those 1231 01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:28,600 Speaker 1: red moon days, just for those if they if they, 1232 01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:31,040 Speaker 1: If you're not familiar with the red moon theory, we 1233 01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:33,480 Speaker 1: talked about it quite a lot in our other episode 1234 01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:35,480 Speaker 1: we did together, So definitely listen to that whole one. 1235 01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:37,960 Speaker 1: But can you give us just that the quick cliff 1236 01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:41,280 Speaker 1: notes um by by what that means and how you're 1237 01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:44,280 Speaker 1: looking at that, just for those that aren't familiar. Yeah, 1238 01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:46,520 Speaker 1: So I've been using the Moon Guide for twenty years 1239 01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:48,800 Speaker 1: and it's just really about it has nothing to do 1240 01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:51,400 Speaker 1: with the phase of the moon. It's about the position 1241 01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:54,080 Speaker 1: of the moon in the sky and the gravitational pool 1242 01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:57,600 Speaker 1: and how that affects maturitier to move because you only 1243 01:05:57,640 --> 01:06:00,520 Speaker 1: have a handful of days each month when that mood 1244 01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:04,760 Speaker 1: is peaking at prime time in the evenings, you know, 1245 01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:07,400 Speaker 1: and it's just another thing added to the wind and 1246 01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:09,920 Speaker 1: the weather to push that deer to get up and 1247 01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:12,560 Speaker 1: move during daylight when he's normally not going to do that. 1248 01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:15,880 Speaker 1: So those are the evenings I focus on, and like 1249 01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:19,560 Speaker 1: I said, anytime you have multiple factors like the wind 1250 01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:22,560 Speaker 1: in the moon, the weather in the moon, or all three, 1251 01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:25,960 Speaker 1: you know, it's about stacking the deck in your favorite. 1252 01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:29,320 Speaker 1: It's you know, putting everything in your favor that you 1253 01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:32,680 Speaker 1: can do. And you know, after you're using the moon 1254 01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:35,400 Speaker 1: guide for twenty years, I've just seen it happen and 1255 01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:39,520 Speaker 1: have killed too many big deer that just normally don't 1256 01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:42,240 Speaker 1: move during daylight. But you killed him right when that 1257 01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:45,600 Speaker 1: moon peaked in the evening. You know it's it's not 1258 01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:48,240 Speaker 1: a gain. I mean, it's Mother Nature. I didn't invent 1259 01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:52,040 Speaker 1: the mood. You know, the moon, the mood and the 1260 01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:56,920 Speaker 1: gravitational pool is strong enough to move the oceans, the 1261 01:06:56,960 --> 01:07:01,200 Speaker 1: biggest mass on this planet. You cannot tell me that 1262 01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:05,800 Speaker 1: that does not affect animals and fish to feed. I mean, 1263 01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:08,120 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think we've even really scratched the 1264 01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:12,280 Speaker 1: surface on how the mood affects animals and people and 1265 01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:16,000 Speaker 1: and everything on this Earth. But you know, I've read 1266 01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:18,200 Speaker 1: all the research. I've heard it, all the guys talk 1267 01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:22,440 Speaker 1: about the moon. Dad doesn't supported affecting deer. I'm just 1268 01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:25,760 Speaker 1: stop buying it, not until somebody goes out radio colors 1269 01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:29,040 Speaker 1: a bunch of matured deer and falls them during season 1270 01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:31,640 Speaker 1: and proves to maybe on a shadow of a doubt, 1271 01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:34,280 Speaker 1: that it doesn't affect him, because I'm going by what 1272 01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:36,560 Speaker 1: I've seen in the last twenty years, and I've killed 1273 01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:40,760 Speaker 1: a lot of big deer, focusing on a lot of scouting, 1274 01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:44,840 Speaker 1: knowing my areas, and waiting until the wind, weather in 1275 01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:47,360 Speaker 1: the moon is on my side. And most of the 1276 01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:49,520 Speaker 1: time I'm able to go in the first time and 1277 01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:51,360 Speaker 1: kill him if I can wait for that stuff to 1278 01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:53,920 Speaker 1: line up. So if somebody wants to argue with me 1279 01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:58,720 Speaker 1: on on a better on, on a better regiment, you know, 1280 01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:02,280 Speaker 1: for killing big deer on all ears, but I'm just 1281 01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:04,880 Speaker 1: going by what's worked for me, and that's that's worked 1282 01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:07,360 Speaker 1: for twenty years. So that's what I focus on. Yeah, 1283 01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:09,720 Speaker 1: well I can't I can't argue with it. I know 1284 01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:12,800 Speaker 1: that I've seen a lot of the same research that 1285 01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:15,680 Speaker 1: has shown what you said, that the moon doesn't have 1286 01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:19,799 Speaker 1: a significant, statistically significant impact according some of these studies, 1287 01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:22,759 Speaker 1: and the same things that have said that cold fronts 1288 01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:25,080 Speaker 1: don't impact deer movement and other things like that that 1289 01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:27,840 Speaker 1: so many of us can point to as as they're 1290 01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:30,879 Speaker 1: being changed So I've always said that it just seems 1291 01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:36,360 Speaker 1: like what they're measuring maybe is not the same things 1292 01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:39,840 Speaker 1: that we care about as hunters. So total movement over 1293 01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:42,880 Speaker 1: twenty four hour period, maybe it's not any different. But 1294 01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:46,599 Speaker 1: I don't care about total movement over twenty four period. 1295 01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:48,960 Speaker 1: I care about is a buck over four and a 1296 01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:53,760 Speaker 1: half years old going to walk this extra fifty yards 1297 01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:56,160 Speaker 1: ten minutes earlier, and if he's going to do that, 1298 01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:57,960 Speaker 1: and that makes all the difference in the world for 1299 01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:00,360 Speaker 1: me as a hunter. Maybe that's not significant to show 1300 01:09:00,439 --> 01:09:04,559 Speaker 1: up in these large scale studies, but that's the kind 1301 01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:06,160 Speaker 1: of thing that can make a difference to a hunt. 1302 01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:08,640 Speaker 1: So I've always thought I feel like there's something like 1303 01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:12,080 Speaker 1: being lost in translation there um that would be really 1304 01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:15,080 Speaker 1: interesting to see if we could somehow measure what the 1305 01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:18,719 Speaker 1: hunter would be impacted by, that would be really interesting 1306 01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:21,120 Speaker 1: to me. So I'm I'm I've always been game to 1307 01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:23,599 Speaker 1: pay attention to all of it. And like you said, 1308 01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:26,919 Speaker 1: I don't know how important any one of these individual 1309 01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:29,320 Speaker 1: factors is, but I'm gonna stack everyone that I can 1310 01:09:29,400 --> 01:09:33,439 Speaker 1: together because you need every little bit, every odd possible 1311 01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:35,479 Speaker 1: in your favorite because there's there's already so many things 1312 01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:37,840 Speaker 1: out of your control. Why not take an advantage of 1313 01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:40,720 Speaker 1: those things that you can exactly And I'll tell you 1314 01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:42,479 Speaker 1: a great way to measure it. I see it happen 1315 01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:46,920 Speaker 1: every year. You watch social Gidia in October, and every 1316 01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:50,160 Speaker 1: time that Red Moon peaks, there will be guys posting 1317 01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:52,880 Speaker 1: the pictures a big gear that they're killing right on 1318 01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:56,360 Speaker 1: the Red Moon, regardless if they follow the moon or 1319 01:09:56,439 --> 01:10:00,519 Speaker 1: use the moon guide. It happens every year. It's not 1320 01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:04,519 Speaker 1: a hundred percent. You know, guys killed big deer on 1321 01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:07,600 Speaker 1: days that aren't good. You know, a good mood, I 1322 01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:11,559 Speaker 1: mean nothing, it's a dent. But every time that red 1323 01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:14,639 Speaker 1: mood hits, like guarantee, you'll see a spike, a big 1324 01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:18,160 Speaker 1: deer hits the ground right on the Red Moon days. Yeah, 1325 01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:21,680 Speaker 1: I definitely. I think last year wasn't one of the 1326 01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:27,400 Speaker 1: Red Moon uh time periods that like October six somewhere 1327 01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:31,360 Speaker 1: in that ballpark was, Isn't that right? Yeah? I believe so, yep, 1328 01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:34,559 Speaker 1: because I remember I remember a whole lot of deer 1329 01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:36,639 Speaker 1: you got killed right around that time period. And I'm 1330 01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:39,559 Speaker 1: pretty sure if I remember correctly, it lined up with 1331 01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:41,519 Speaker 1: those Red Moon dates. And that was something that a 1332 01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:44,200 Speaker 1: couple of us were discussing as it's pretty interesting to 1333 01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:47,280 Speaker 1: see that there was this very very high peak, um 1334 01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:51,160 Speaker 1: like more noticeable than usually even so, it's interesting, it's something. 1335 01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:54,360 Speaker 1: There's definitely something I like to pay attention to. And um, 1336 01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:57,479 Speaker 1: I'm insured. Why wouldn't you pay Why wouldn't you pay 1337 01:10:57,520 --> 01:11:00,240 Speaker 1: attention to it? Guys pay attention to the web there 1338 01:11:01,479 --> 01:11:04,439 Speaker 1: and their nature, but not the moon. I mean, what's 1339 01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:09,160 Speaker 1: the difference. You know, the moon is a satellite for 1340 01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:12,679 Speaker 1: Earth and affects us Earth so many different ways. Well, 1341 01:11:12,720 --> 01:11:16,120 Speaker 1: why would you why would you focus and be you know, 1342 01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:20,880 Speaker 1: have blinders on to just concentrate on weather and then 1343 01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:23,160 Speaker 1: throw the moon out the window. That makes no sense 1344 01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:27,440 Speaker 1: to me. Yeah, I'll take it all. I'll take it all. Yeah. 1345 01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:30,439 Speaker 1: Why not stack the deck in your favor? Yeah? So, so, 1346 01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:32,840 Speaker 1: speaking of of stacking the deck, I want to dive 1347 01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:36,960 Speaker 1: a little further into your scenario though. So we're waiting 1348 01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:41,080 Speaker 1: until one of these ideal sets of conditions, hopefully a 1349 01:11:41,160 --> 01:11:43,800 Speaker 1: red moon and good weather or the moon and the 1350 01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:46,760 Speaker 1: wind or whatever it might be. Um, but you've got 1351 01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:49,320 Speaker 1: three different spots you think it could happen. Could you 1352 01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:51,840 Speaker 1: describe one of these just to help us understand, like 1353 01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:56,040 Speaker 1: what kind of setup you have in mind to kill 1354 01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:58,680 Speaker 1: a big buck um Like that kind of example I 1355 01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:00,840 Speaker 1: think would be really helpful for people. Yeah, so I 1356 01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:06,479 Speaker 1: think there's a deer um normally mostly beds in two places. 1357 01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:11,400 Speaker 1: One is right behind the farmhouse actually in an overgrown 1358 01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:17,200 Speaker 1: you know, overgrown backyard basically, or in a CRP fielding 1359 01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:20,080 Speaker 1: up close to the road along a little creek bed, 1360 01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:22,960 Speaker 1: and that you know, it's on the most down wind 1361 01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:25,439 Speaker 1: side is farm, which is a very typical fur mature 1362 01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:28,880 Speaker 1: deer in Ohio, we don't really have a southwest wind 1363 01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:31,040 Speaker 1: and nine times out of ten of mature bucks gonna 1364 01:12:31,080 --> 01:12:33,840 Speaker 1: live on the most northeastern part of the farm. So 1365 01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:37,360 Speaker 1: whenever he gets up, you know, he's mainly going to 1366 01:12:37,439 --> 01:12:39,680 Speaker 1: be on the most downwind side of the property and 1367 01:12:39,680 --> 01:12:41,759 Speaker 1: can go wherever he wants to win in his face. 1368 01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:45,400 Speaker 1: And that's what this deer is doing. And there's you know, 1369 01:12:45,479 --> 01:12:48,559 Speaker 1: there's a corn field he could hit up close to 1370 01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:52,519 Speaker 1: the road, which I saw him do last year. I've 1371 01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:57,160 Speaker 1: got a secluded to secluded um uh food plots the 1372 01:12:57,280 --> 01:13:00,160 Speaker 1: back end of the CRP and that he hits. Then 1373 01:13:00,200 --> 01:13:04,519 Speaker 1: another corn field corner in the back of the property 1374 01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:07,479 Speaker 1: then it hits so in his travel pattern right through 1375 01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:10,040 Speaker 1: the middle of that block, he can hit, you know, 1376 01:13:11,320 --> 01:13:14,679 Speaker 1: any one of those four spots. You know, I've got 1377 01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:17,360 Speaker 1: stands and all four of those spots ready to go. 1378 01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:22,000 Speaker 1: When when he shows up normally in any of those spots, 1379 01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:25,800 Speaker 1: it's always in the same spot. So I mean, I've 1380 01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:30,320 Speaker 1: got everything um prepared. I know how to get in 1381 01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:32,639 Speaker 1: and out of the farm without tipping that deer off, 1382 01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:35,880 Speaker 1: which you know, was a big learning experience for me 1383 01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:38,200 Speaker 1: because that deer betted in so many places, and most 1384 01:13:38,240 --> 01:13:40,840 Speaker 1: of the time he was bedded close to the road 1385 01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:42,639 Speaker 1: and knew exactly what I was there, and I couldn't 1386 01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:45,680 Speaker 1: figure it out. He'd show up for a day or 1387 01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:48,080 Speaker 1: two on camera during daylight and I go down and 1388 01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:51,160 Speaker 1: try to hunt him, and he disappeared, that deer dew 1389 01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:53,760 Speaker 1: when I was there. He was watching me come in 1390 01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:58,559 Speaker 1: and out. Now that deer. I parked within ten yards 1391 01:13:58,560 --> 01:14:00,400 Speaker 1: of that deer one time, did he me though? He 1392 01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:02,639 Speaker 1: was there until I got up on my goat, up 1393 01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:05,760 Speaker 1: on my ranger to pull it off the trailer, and 1394 01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:08,000 Speaker 1: he jumped up in the middle of the guy's backyard, 1395 01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:10,760 Speaker 1: you know, And in six foot tall grass. I mean, 1396 01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:16,800 Speaker 1: so it's been a learning experience. But so what do 1397 01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:20,120 Speaker 1: you have to do to adjust that that access point? 1398 01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:23,080 Speaker 1: Do you just find a totally different side of the 1399 01:14:23,080 --> 01:14:24,800 Speaker 1: farm you can come in on, or or what have 1400 01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:27,080 Speaker 1: you done? Now? Yeah? I just had to come in 1401 01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:29,840 Speaker 1: from a completely different spot on the farm, not the 1402 01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:34,160 Speaker 1: not the typical spot where I come in. I can't 1403 01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:36,320 Speaker 1: park the house, I can't park get the pull off 1404 01:14:36,320 --> 01:14:39,519 Speaker 1: where I normally come in. I I basically got a 1405 01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:41,600 Speaker 1: park off right off the road and go down the 1406 01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:43,960 Speaker 1: road and come in around the back side on the 1407 01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:47,519 Speaker 1: quiet cat and complete do a complete loop around the 1408 01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:53,120 Speaker 1: farm so that deer doesn't know him there. What about 1409 01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:58,000 Speaker 1: scenario like this where and then this is maybe a 1410 01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:01,840 Speaker 1: little bit of a stra from the theme of locating deer, 1411 01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:05,679 Speaker 1: But bear with me here. You're out there hunting and 1412 01:15:06,520 --> 01:15:10,360 Speaker 1: you have you don't have anything to work with, let's say, 1413 01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:14,600 Speaker 1: or at least nothing recent. Do you ever go to 1414 01:15:15,080 --> 01:15:18,320 Speaker 1: the idea of blind calling to try to locate a deer? 1415 01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:20,400 Speaker 1: Will you ever be in a situation for like, damn it, 1416 01:15:20,439 --> 01:15:22,320 Speaker 1: I just gotta start rattling a lot and try to 1417 01:15:22,360 --> 01:15:27,360 Speaker 1: pull something in or grunt because nothing's showing up, um, 1418 01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:29,680 Speaker 1: and I need to force the issue. And I know 1419 01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:32,360 Speaker 1: this is a time of year dependent um, but how 1420 01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:35,280 Speaker 1: often does that of a factor into your your thought process. 1421 01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:39,040 Speaker 1: I'll do blind calling in November, but I really don't 1422 01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:41,840 Speaker 1: like to do it earlier when I'm after a specific 1423 01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:45,679 Speaker 1: dear because I think calling success really depends on your setup. 1424 01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:49,920 Speaker 1: You know, can you labor is good? Yeah, mature, You're 1425 01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:52,760 Speaker 1: is gonna try to get down WINDOMVI or coming from 1426 01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:55,639 Speaker 1: down windo of via when you're calling, and my stups. 1427 01:15:55,720 --> 01:15:58,880 Speaker 1: I like to put myself in a spot where either 1428 01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:01,880 Speaker 1: a big dear kid get down wind of me, or 1429 01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:06,880 Speaker 1: if he tries to my location UM that I'm set 1430 01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:09,720 Speaker 1: up in forces him within bow range to try and 1431 01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:12,200 Speaker 1: get down wind of me. I mean it's I think 1432 01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:14,920 Speaker 1: it's deadly to be set up a early season within 1433 01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:17,000 Speaker 1: earshot of a big in his bed and do a 1434 01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:20,600 Speaker 1: little light calling UM while he's still laying there, to 1435 01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:23,120 Speaker 1: give him something to think about in a direction to 1436 01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:26,680 Speaker 1: head once he gets up. You know, I think you're 1437 01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:29,120 Speaker 1: in a little competition in this area and something's going 1438 01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:31,200 Speaker 1: on and he needs to get up and check it 1439 01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:35,840 Speaker 1: out and investigate. But yeah, it's tough to be successful 1440 01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:38,920 Speaker 1: on blind calling, But I mean in November, you know 1441 01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:42,599 Speaker 1: it's all about time in the stand and bucks are cruising. 1442 01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:45,040 Speaker 1: You never know when one might just be just out 1443 01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:49,600 Speaker 1: of eyesight that here's your calling and responds to it. 1444 01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:52,479 Speaker 1: So and all of a sudden I can come together. 1445 01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:56,240 Speaker 1: That's kind of scenario. About the scenario yep, ye. Do 1446 01:16:56,320 --> 01:17:00,439 Speaker 1: you ever get to the point where you're in season 1447 01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:04,400 Speaker 1: and you have to rewind all the way to the 1448 01:17:04,439 --> 01:17:07,040 Speaker 1: tactics you're using in the summer? So by that, I 1449 01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:08,519 Speaker 1: mean you get to the point where you have to 1450 01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:12,439 Speaker 1: pull out of your hunting locations completely and get back 1451 01:17:12,479 --> 01:17:14,840 Speaker 1: on the road and glass fields from the road again 1452 01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:18,040 Speaker 1: to try to find a buck um like in November 1453 01:17:18,160 --> 01:17:20,880 Speaker 1: or late season, maybe deer have all shifted again and 1454 01:17:20,920 --> 01:17:23,600 Speaker 1: you're trying to relocate where these bucks are feeding. Do 1455 01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:26,880 Speaker 1: you ever go to that extreme? Yeah? Sometimes you ask 1456 01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:31,080 Speaker 1: you if they disappear, buck you're after got killed or 1457 01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:34,880 Speaker 1: I mean, gosh, there's hundreds of different scenarios where things 1458 01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:37,679 Speaker 1: change up and you've got to change your tactics and 1459 01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:41,800 Speaker 1: go back to square one. But you've only got a 1460 01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:43,599 Speaker 1: certain amount of time to get it done. So you've 1461 01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:47,920 Speaker 1: got to do whatever whatever it takes during season. Yeah. 1462 01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:52,360 Speaker 1: I like what you said earlier that that sometimes or 1463 01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:55,200 Speaker 1: correct maybe clarify this, but I think you said something 1464 01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:59,040 Speaker 1: on the lines of you scout more then you hunt, 1465 01:17:59,479 --> 01:18:02,120 Speaker 1: even during in the season. Is that Is that accurate 1466 01:18:02,160 --> 01:18:05,320 Speaker 1: as far as spending those times observing from a distance 1467 01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:09,519 Speaker 1: or doing different things, um to just narrow your hunts down. 1468 01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:11,799 Speaker 1: I've been slowly moving more and more of that direction 1469 01:18:11,800 --> 01:18:15,080 Speaker 1: that I'd rather have a lot of information that leads 1470 01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:18,240 Speaker 1: me to a few really, really good sits. I'd rather 1471 01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:20,880 Speaker 1: have that than a bunch of sits that are just 1472 01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:26,080 Speaker 1: kind of willy nilly. Yeah. Yeah, I read um read 1473 01:18:26,120 --> 01:18:29,800 Speaker 1: a story by Miles Killer years ago that talked about 1474 01:18:29,880 --> 01:18:33,559 Speaker 1: hunting from the outside in and what his whole thought 1475 01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:36,800 Speaker 1: process was that he would start from the you know, 1476 01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:40,080 Speaker 1: the outskirts of a buck's territory and just keep classing 1477 01:18:40,120 --> 01:18:43,960 Speaker 1: and monitoring the area from a distance and just some 1478 01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:47,599 Speaker 1: methodically keep moving in closer and closer and closer until 1479 01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:50,559 Speaker 1: he knew the exact tree you needed to be in 1480 01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:53,920 Speaker 1: and the exact win that you're needed, and you know, 1481 01:18:54,520 --> 01:18:57,960 Speaker 1: really kind of adapted that over the years into what 1482 01:18:58,040 --> 01:19:01,160 Speaker 1: I do and you know, it's it's all about hunting 1483 01:19:01,160 --> 01:19:05,880 Speaker 1: and hunting and hunting and hunting, scouting for that you know, 1484 01:19:06,280 --> 01:19:11,160 Speaker 1: that one spot to kill him, you know, So I'd 1485 01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:15,360 Speaker 1: really think it is a lot more scouting. What do 1486 01:19:15,439 --> 01:19:18,599 Speaker 1: I say, hunting and scouting kind of kind of talking 1487 01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:21,960 Speaker 1: about the same thing until you find that kill spot. 1488 01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:25,439 Speaker 1: You're actually hunting for that kill spot. I guess it's 1489 01:19:25,479 --> 01:19:28,599 Speaker 1: a good way to describe it. You're hunting for that 1490 01:19:29,200 --> 01:19:32,080 Speaker 1: you know, special spot, that weak spot or that place, 1491 01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:34,840 Speaker 1: that a spot where you can kill a deer. So 1492 01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:37,960 Speaker 1: I guess that's really the best way to describe it, 1493 01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:41,599 Speaker 1: as I'm constantly hunting and scouting for that perfect spot 1494 01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:44,920 Speaker 1: to kill the deer that I'm after because of what 1495 01:19:45,080 --> 01:19:46,760 Speaker 1: you find it, you know what you find where you 1496 01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:49,400 Speaker 1: need to be, and you wait for everything to line up, 1497 01:19:49,439 --> 01:19:54,960 Speaker 1: you go in and kill him. How how often? How 1498 01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:57,040 Speaker 1: often when you have that situation like, what are you 1499 01:19:58,120 --> 01:20:01,479 Speaker 1: what kind of confidence level do you have at this 1500 01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:05,719 Speaker 1: point in your hunting career and journey? What percent chance 1501 01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:07,400 Speaker 1: do you feel like when you when you find a 1502 01:20:07,400 --> 01:20:09,880 Speaker 1: spot like this that you feel good about and the 1503 01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:13,120 Speaker 1: conditions line up and you're going for your first set 1504 01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:16,240 Speaker 1: is it like a fifty proposition for you? Do you? 1505 01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:18,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I know we're just ball parking here, but 1506 01:20:18,439 --> 01:20:20,200 Speaker 1: what do you usually feel like you? Are you so 1507 01:20:20,240 --> 01:20:22,639 Speaker 1: confident you've got this narrow down so much that seven 1508 01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:25,360 Speaker 1: times out of ten you're getting it done. Now nine 1509 01:20:25,400 --> 01:20:29,680 Speaker 1: times out of ten. Wow, that's that's what it's been 1510 01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:32,840 Speaker 1: with all of my biggest books. So what about the 1511 01:20:33,200 --> 01:20:35,200 Speaker 1: if you do? If you do, if you do all 1512 01:20:35,240 --> 01:20:38,920 Speaker 1: the scouting, define the right spot, and you can be 1513 01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:41,600 Speaker 1: patient enough to wait for everything to line up, and 1514 01:20:41,720 --> 01:20:45,519 Speaker 1: you haven't alerted that dear to your presence, and he's 1515 01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:49,439 Speaker 1: still moving onto his natural pattern and he's got all 1516 01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:56,320 Speaker 1: those you know, natural instinctive pushes to get him up moving. 1517 01:20:56,360 --> 01:20:59,280 Speaker 1: I mean, there's no reason why it shouldn't happen if 1518 01:20:59,320 --> 01:21:03,120 Speaker 1: you do everything right. So, so, since we talked last 1519 01:21:03,160 --> 01:21:08,439 Speaker 1: time on the podcast, you killed your fourth two plus 1520 01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:13,720 Speaker 1: deer and that buck, as I understand it, there was 1521 01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:15,960 Speaker 1: a little bit of this kind of scenario that we've 1522 01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:19,040 Speaker 1: been discussing. It took some some working to locate him 1523 01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:22,439 Speaker 1: with with cameras and then some some observation type stuff. 1524 01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:28,519 Speaker 1: Can you walk through that example, how you located that buck, 1525 01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:31,599 Speaker 1: how you narrowed down where the spot was and where 1526 01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:34,240 Speaker 1: the weak spot was and how you ultimately killed him. 1527 01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:36,680 Speaker 1: Could you kind of walk through that well, it was 1528 01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:40,160 Speaker 1: in Kansas, it was in an area I was familiar with, 1529 01:21:40,240 --> 01:21:42,559 Speaker 1: but I hadn't hunted that specific farm yet. But we 1530 01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:45,400 Speaker 1: had a camera in there on the middle of the property, 1531 01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:48,439 Speaker 1: and that you're just showed about to nowhere third week 1532 01:21:48,479 --> 01:21:53,120 Speaker 1: of October, the middle of the night. I didn't figure 1533 01:21:53,200 --> 01:21:55,640 Speaker 1: he was living on the farm. The farm was located 1534 01:21:55,640 --> 01:21:57,960 Speaker 1: in the middle of a block about two miles long 1535 01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:01,439 Speaker 1: and a mile wide, so I had a pretty good 1536 01:22:01,439 --> 01:22:03,640 Speaker 1: idea he was living on that block, but not on 1537 01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:06,519 Speaker 1: the farm. But he was coming through there, just keeping 1538 01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:11,760 Speaker 1: tabs on does now We had um food out in 1539 01:22:11,800 --> 01:22:15,280 Speaker 1: front of the camera, obviously to attract deer. There's to 1540 01:22:15,320 --> 01:22:19,040 Speaker 1: get pictures of them. So it was a couple of 1541 01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:22,200 Speaker 1: weeks away from the next red moon and within moving 1542 01:22:22,200 --> 01:22:23,640 Speaker 1: in the middle of the night. I wasn't in a 1543 01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:26,320 Speaker 1: rush to run right out there, although I knew it 1544 01:22:26,360 --> 01:22:34,280 Speaker 1: was a two giant, so I just kept kept monitoring 1545 01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:38,000 Speaker 1: the camera. Obviously a wireless camera out there, so I 1546 01:22:38,040 --> 01:22:42,439 Speaker 1: knew what was going on. Started studying, really studying the 1547 01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:46,960 Speaker 1: aerials of the photo of the property, and there was 1548 01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:49,439 Speaker 1: really only a couple of spots where I thought a 1549 01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:51,600 Speaker 1: deer like that would be coming in and out of 1550 01:22:51,640 --> 01:22:53,679 Speaker 1: the farm. So I knew what I needed to focus 1551 01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:56,519 Speaker 1: on when I got out there and where I wanted 1552 01:22:56,560 --> 01:23:01,200 Speaker 1: to look. So the moon was suposed to peak sometime 1553 01:23:01,320 --> 01:23:04,599 Speaker 1: the end of the first week in November. I believe 1554 01:23:04,640 --> 01:23:09,040 Speaker 1: I headed out there on Halloween day, full day drive. 1555 01:23:10,040 --> 01:23:13,080 Speaker 1: Deer were starting to move a little bit closer to daylight, 1556 01:23:13,120 --> 01:23:15,559 Speaker 1: but still you know, after dark, but not the middle 1557 01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:20,760 Speaker 1: of the night, getting closer to evening. Got out there 1558 01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:24,360 Speaker 1: was super hot, new deer weren't going to be moving much. 1559 01:23:25,200 --> 01:23:28,439 Speaker 1: I went into the two spots actually the two back 1560 01:23:28,439 --> 01:23:31,960 Speaker 1: corners of the farm that looked like typical areas where 1561 01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:34,960 Speaker 1: deer would come in and out. Um The camera was 1562 01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:36,600 Speaker 1: set up in the middle of the farm, so I 1563 01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:38,639 Speaker 1: didn't know where exactly he was coming in and out. 1564 01:23:38,640 --> 01:23:42,479 Speaker 1: But one spot really looked to me like it was 1565 01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:46,680 Speaker 1: the spot. I mean, it was back corner, very secluded, 1566 01:23:47,320 --> 01:23:53,120 Speaker 1: really low, really really secluded um Creek running through their 1567 01:23:53,439 --> 01:23:57,080 Speaker 1: multiple fence lines crossing, I mean just like a just 1568 01:23:57,160 --> 01:24:00,000 Speaker 1: like a hub of activity. Deer could come from any direction. 1569 01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:02,760 Speaker 1: And and the key to it was there was a 1570 01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:05,360 Speaker 1: really deep creek bed that ran the distance of the 1571 01:24:05,400 --> 01:24:07,879 Speaker 1: property right back to that corner. So I could literally 1572 01:24:08,520 --> 01:24:10,799 Speaker 1: jump down in this creek that was like ten ft 1573 01:24:10,840 --> 01:24:12,840 Speaker 1: deep but it only had a couple inches of water 1574 01:24:13,560 --> 01:24:16,320 Speaker 1: and get right into that corner without making any noise, 1575 01:24:16,320 --> 01:24:20,040 Speaker 1: without disturbing anything. I really figured that was my best 1576 01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:25,040 Speaker 1: chance of killing that during that corner, so got in there, 1577 01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:29,040 Speaker 1: hung a stand. Um, I really didn't know, you know, 1578 01:24:29,720 --> 01:24:31,840 Speaker 1: like I said, what direction was coming from, because they 1579 01:24:31,880 --> 01:24:34,320 Speaker 1: could come from so many different directions. So I really 1580 01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:39,040 Speaker 1: had to rely on being clean and um counting on 1581 01:24:39,080 --> 01:24:42,960 Speaker 1: the ozonics to cover you know, cover my down wind side. 1582 01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:46,200 Speaker 1: And it was one of those spots where you know, 1583 01:24:46,280 --> 01:24:48,920 Speaker 1: you could get in and out of there day after 1584 01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:53,519 Speaker 1: day and not really worry about spooking anything. So I 1585 01:24:53,520 --> 01:24:55,960 Speaker 1: think I hudded it that spot three or four times 1586 01:24:55,960 --> 01:24:58,719 Speaker 1: that week. I did hunt the other corner a couple 1587 01:24:58,760 --> 01:25:05,160 Speaker 1: of times, but I just wasn't feeling it over there. Um. 1588 01:25:05,200 --> 01:25:08,040 Speaker 1: I knew my chances were going to get better later 1589 01:25:08,080 --> 01:25:10,719 Speaker 1: in the week as the mood got closer and closer 1590 01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:14,200 Speaker 1: to prime time. It didn't really cool off a whole lot. 1591 01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:17,439 Speaker 1: I think it was like seventy five degrees on on 1592 01:25:17,560 --> 01:25:20,559 Speaker 1: that Saturday when I finally killed him. But it was 1593 01:25:20,600 --> 01:25:24,720 Speaker 1: an hour and a half before dark, really hot. Wasn't 1594 01:25:24,760 --> 01:25:27,519 Speaker 1: even expecting anything to be up and moving yet. And 1595 01:25:27,560 --> 01:25:30,920 Speaker 1: that deer shows up in the broad daylight on my 1596 01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:34,360 Speaker 1: down one side, of course, I thank god does on 1597 01:25:34,479 --> 01:25:37,280 Speaker 1: a kee's running. And you know, I killed the biggest 1598 01:25:37,280 --> 01:25:39,640 Speaker 1: deer of my life when there was no rhyme of 1599 01:25:39,720 --> 01:25:42,120 Speaker 1: reason for that near to be up and moving that 1600 01:25:42,240 --> 01:25:46,000 Speaker 1: early on the I think that they're sixth of November. 1601 01:25:47,400 --> 01:25:50,240 Speaker 1: You know, he's just up moving, doing his thing, moving 1602 01:25:50,280 --> 01:25:52,960 Speaker 1: into the wind. Had to win in his favor. The 1603 01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:58,559 Speaker 1: moon was peaking that evening, and it was just one 1604 01:25:58,600 --> 01:26:01,800 Speaker 1: of those things where you read the sign, you just 1605 01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:04,000 Speaker 1: kind of look at the big picture. What's a big 1606 01:26:04,040 --> 01:26:06,240 Speaker 1: deer need to do to move through this property and 1607 01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:10,800 Speaker 1: feel comfortable enough to move um during daylight? And uh, 1608 01:26:12,200 --> 01:26:13,960 Speaker 1: and I don't know what else to say about. I mean, 1609 01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:18,479 Speaker 1: that's that's just the way that it happened. And yeah, 1610 01:26:18,479 --> 01:26:20,360 Speaker 1: I ended up killing the biggest deer in my life. 1611 01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:24,800 Speaker 1: That's amazing. Now you bring up something that I think 1612 01:26:24,920 --> 01:26:29,320 Speaker 1: is worth expanding on which is um, you know, this 1613 01:26:29,400 --> 01:26:31,240 Speaker 1: buck did what he thought he had due to to 1614 01:26:31,320 --> 01:26:34,360 Speaker 1: be safe or something on those lines. And this brings 1615 01:26:34,400 --> 01:26:37,000 Speaker 1: to mind an idea that we we hear occasionally that 1616 01:26:37,439 --> 01:26:40,000 Speaker 1: you know, a mature buck is almost a different animal 1617 01:26:40,080 --> 01:26:43,439 Speaker 1: completely than all the other deer out there. And one 1618 01:26:43,479 --> 01:26:45,000 Speaker 1: of the things that helped me a lot at some 1619 01:26:45,040 --> 01:26:48,400 Speaker 1: point my deer hunting journey was I used to just 1620 01:26:48,439 --> 01:26:50,720 Speaker 1: be like trying to hunt deer, and I would set 1621 01:26:50,760 --> 01:26:52,400 Speaker 1: up in spots where I can see a bunch of deer, 1622 01:26:52,600 --> 01:26:54,640 Speaker 1: but you were never actually getting a shot at a 1623 01:26:54,680 --> 01:26:57,800 Speaker 1: mature deer. Once you realize you have to switch and 1624 01:26:57,840 --> 01:27:00,479 Speaker 1: start hunting this totally different animal, then you have to 1625 01:27:00,479 --> 01:27:02,200 Speaker 1: think about things in a different way, and you start 1626 01:27:02,280 --> 01:27:05,559 Speaker 1: hunting different places or hunting closer to these places in 1627 01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:08,439 Speaker 1: a different kind of way. UM. So all that is 1628 01:27:08,479 --> 01:27:11,920 Speaker 1: to say, what are some of the other things you 1629 01:27:12,040 --> 01:27:15,760 Speaker 1: found the mature buck does differently, or that you're thinking 1630 01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:19,519 Speaker 1: about when trying to guess where he's going to move 1631 01:27:19,640 --> 01:27:21,800 Speaker 1: or how he's going to move. You talked about this 1632 01:27:21,880 --> 01:27:24,720 Speaker 1: area being a hub and all these things going for it. 1633 01:27:24,920 --> 01:27:26,760 Speaker 1: I imagine you were seeing some of these things and 1634 01:27:26,760 --> 01:27:29,920 Speaker 1: you thought to yourself because of this, or because I 1635 01:27:29,960 --> 01:27:32,400 Speaker 1: know mature buck likes this kind of thing, or mature 1636 01:27:32,439 --> 01:27:34,960 Speaker 1: buck tends to move in this kind of way, this 1637 01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:37,360 Speaker 1: is the spot. Are there any things like that that 1638 01:27:37,400 --> 01:27:39,320 Speaker 1: you can that you can speak to that come to 1639 01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:42,120 Speaker 1: mind that are unique to how mature buck travels or 1640 01:27:42,200 --> 01:27:45,320 Speaker 1: thinks or acts. The only thing I really think that 1641 01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:49,759 Speaker 1: is unique about it is the majority of the deer 1642 01:27:49,800 --> 01:27:52,599 Speaker 1: and they and they are a different creature, and the 1643 01:27:52,640 --> 01:27:54,800 Speaker 1: majority of the deer and the deer herd are going 1644 01:27:54,840 --> 01:27:57,400 Speaker 1: to be doing the same things that he's doing. They're 1645 01:27:57,439 --> 01:28:00,840 Speaker 1: just doing it more consistently during daylight. In a big 1646 01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:04,200 Speaker 1: old mature buck is still doing the same thing. He's 1647 01:28:04,240 --> 01:28:09,639 Speaker 1: just doing it on very specific days during daylight. Those 1648 01:28:09,720 --> 01:28:13,000 Speaker 1: big deers just don't make mistakes and they just don't 1649 01:28:13,000 --> 01:28:17,120 Speaker 1: move that much during daylight or or they die. You know, 1650 01:28:17,200 --> 01:28:20,000 Speaker 1: they've learned what they need to do to survive. And 1651 01:28:20,040 --> 01:28:23,240 Speaker 1: the unique thing about it is when they do it, 1652 01:28:23,439 --> 01:28:29,240 Speaker 1: you know, they do it for very specific reasons during daylight. 1653 01:28:30,240 --> 01:28:34,160 Speaker 1: And then you know, I don't think it's rocket science 1654 01:28:34,200 --> 01:28:39,240 Speaker 1: and I don't think you know, uh, animals any different 1655 01:28:39,240 --> 01:28:42,439 Speaker 1: than a mature hundred fifty but I do think the 1656 01:28:42,520 --> 01:28:49,400 Speaker 1: mature animal that's learned the game of survival is doing 1657 01:28:49,479 --> 01:28:53,519 Speaker 1: things differently, just from the sole reason that his main 1658 01:28:53,640 --> 01:28:55,680 Speaker 1: goal is to survive and he's not going to make 1659 01:28:55,720 --> 01:28:59,240 Speaker 1: any mistakes. So you've got to really hone in on 1660 01:28:59,800 --> 01:29:02,280 Speaker 1: not only what he's doing, but when he's doing it. 1661 01:29:02,280 --> 01:29:06,920 Speaker 1: It's all about timing. The timing. The timing is really 1662 01:29:06,960 --> 01:29:09,160 Speaker 1: the key to it. When is that you're going to 1663 01:29:09,240 --> 01:29:12,880 Speaker 1: do it during daylight so you can kill him and 1664 01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:16,840 Speaker 1: not tipping him off before you do it. Yeah. Yeah, 1665 01:29:16,920 --> 01:29:19,479 Speaker 1: getting those high quality hunts. Getting a couple of high 1666 01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:22,400 Speaker 1: quality hunts just seems to be so much more important 1667 01:29:22,439 --> 01:29:27,679 Speaker 1: then than a whole bunch of credits. Yeah, it's all 1668 01:29:27,720 --> 01:29:33,280 Speaker 1: about quality over quantity. Hunting smarter not harder, novembers. When 1669 01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:37,080 Speaker 1: you want to hunt harder, you know, there's guys that 1670 01:29:37,320 --> 01:29:39,639 Speaker 1: their hunt and then there's a guy that hunt specific deer. 1671 01:29:39,680 --> 01:29:42,240 Speaker 1: When you're on a specific deer, you've got hunt smarter, 1672 01:29:42,760 --> 01:29:47,040 Speaker 1: not harder. Yeah. Is there is there anything that we've 1673 01:29:47,160 --> 01:29:51,160 Speaker 1: missed when it comes to this specific idea of locating 1674 01:29:51,200 --> 01:29:54,160 Speaker 1: them of zeroing in on them. Um, I feel like 1675 01:29:54,280 --> 01:29:56,240 Speaker 1: we've covered a whole lot different facets of it. But 1676 01:29:56,280 --> 01:29:58,720 Speaker 1: is there anything that's still jumping around your mind that 1677 01:29:58,800 --> 01:30:01,120 Speaker 1: you think that be horrible if we left it out 1678 01:30:01,160 --> 01:30:04,880 Speaker 1: before shutting things down here? I don't know, man, you've 1679 01:30:04,920 --> 01:30:11,720 Speaker 1: been pretty through on my brain that we've missed anything. Okay, 1680 01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:15,400 Speaker 1: Well in that case, um, you know, where where can 1681 01:30:15,439 --> 01:30:17,160 Speaker 1: folks find a couple of things? Because you're doing a 1682 01:30:17,200 --> 01:30:19,360 Speaker 1: lot of really interesting things out there in the deer 1683 01:30:19,400 --> 01:30:22,519 Speaker 1: hunting world. You're producing content, you're help putting out the 1684 01:30:22,560 --> 01:30:25,400 Speaker 1: moon Guide out there in new ways. Where can people 1685 01:30:25,760 --> 01:30:30,000 Speaker 1: find everything that you've got out there? Oh, Team two Hunter, 1686 01:30:30,280 --> 01:30:35,559 Speaker 1: there's everything content wise that we're doing. Dot Com is 1687 01:30:35,560 --> 01:30:37,720 Speaker 1: the website for the show, and you can catch it 1688 01:30:37,760 --> 01:30:41,280 Speaker 1: on Waypoint TV, which is a free app runs on 1689 01:30:41,320 --> 01:30:43,920 Speaker 1: the Pursuit channel. You know, we've got a lot of 1690 01:30:43,920 --> 01:30:45,960 Speaker 1: great content on the show. And then as far as 1691 01:30:45,960 --> 01:30:49,160 Speaker 1: the moon Guide goes, moon Guide dot Com we just 1692 01:30:49,280 --> 01:30:51,800 Speaker 1: launched a new app. Um you can get it on 1693 01:30:51,840 --> 01:30:55,280 Speaker 1: the Apple Store or Google Play search and Deer Hunter's 1694 01:30:55,360 --> 01:30:58,760 Speaker 1: Moon Guide, um, you know, and you can get either 1695 01:30:58,840 --> 01:31:03,000 Speaker 1: of them from from the from the website, so perfect. 1696 01:31:03,200 --> 01:31:06,800 Speaker 1: And then of course social media, the team to Enter 1697 01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:11,439 Speaker 1: TV Facebook page and moon Guide Facebook page, so awesome. Well, 1698 01:31:11,479 --> 01:31:14,120 Speaker 1: I just got to check out the moon Gut app 1699 01:31:14,200 --> 01:31:16,200 Speaker 1: and that's really nice having that right there on your 1700 01:31:16,200 --> 01:31:20,519 Speaker 1: phone there easily shows the the moon rise and rise 1701 01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:24,479 Speaker 1: and set times, the sun rise and set times. I 1702 01:31:24,600 --> 01:31:26,080 Speaker 1: like the fact that you guys then call at the 1703 01:31:26,080 --> 01:31:29,240 Speaker 1: peak activity times and where to focus. So for anyone 1704 01:31:29,280 --> 01:31:32,320 Speaker 1: that's intrigued by the moon theories, if you want to 1705 01:31:32,400 --> 01:31:34,400 Speaker 1: learn more about that, I know, Adam you've got a 1706 01:31:34,439 --> 01:31:36,640 Speaker 1: whole lot of different videos and you talk about in 1707 01:31:36,680 --> 01:31:39,559 Speaker 1: your your TV show, but we also dove into it 1708 01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:43,200 Speaker 1: in a lot of detail on that previous podcast, episode two, 1709 01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:47,880 Speaker 1: and um uh it's it's very interesting intrigue and I 1710 01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:51,559 Speaker 1: definitely follow along, and um I keep it. I keep 1711 01:31:51,560 --> 01:31:53,439 Speaker 1: it as one of those tools that can help guide 1712 01:31:53,479 --> 01:31:56,800 Speaker 1: me when I need to know a little bit. Just 1713 01:31:56,840 --> 01:31:58,479 Speaker 1: like you said, all the little odds you can stack 1714 01:31:58,520 --> 01:31:59,920 Speaker 1: in your favor and when you're trying to pick the 1715 01:32:00,200 --> 01:32:04,160 Speaker 1: right time, I'm going to consider every factor. So it's 1716 01:32:04,160 --> 01:32:09,599 Speaker 1: something I'm looking at and I appreciate it, so man, 1717 01:32:09,720 --> 01:32:12,040 Speaker 1: glad to help. I think I think a lot of 1718 01:32:12,040 --> 01:32:14,400 Speaker 1: folks are going to learn something from this today. And 1719 01:32:14,560 --> 01:32:17,360 Speaker 1: um the only downside that is probably gonna be more 1720 01:32:17,479 --> 01:32:20,080 Speaker 1: big deer hitting the ground, which means fewer for you 1721 01:32:20,120 --> 01:32:23,599 Speaker 1: and me in the future. But we appreciate you sharing, 1722 01:32:24,080 --> 01:32:27,200 Speaker 1: sharing all your experience, Adam, no problem, man, I appreciate 1723 01:32:27,240 --> 01:32:29,880 Speaker 1: you having me on the show again. All right, and uh, 1724 01:32:30,200 --> 01:32:34,719 Speaker 1: let's talk sooner than four years from now. Okay, yeah, yeah, 1725 01:32:34,840 --> 01:32:37,400 Speaker 1: let's see that sounds good. Alright, good luck hunting the 1726 01:32:37,400 --> 01:32:42,200 Speaker 1: rest of this season too, man, Thank you, and that 1727 01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:46,760 Speaker 1: will do it. Hopefully you guys enjoyed this one. Lots 1728 01:32:46,760 --> 01:32:50,000 Speaker 1: of great info and ideas from Adam and Man. If 1729 01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:54,400 Speaker 1: you're not already hunting, it is almost here, so get ready, 1730 01:32:54,720 --> 01:33:00,840 Speaker 1: get excited, and until next time, stay wired to the beat. 1731 01:33:00,960 --> 01:33:01,519 Speaker 1: And became