1 00:00:07,226 --> 00:00:09,666 Speaker 1: The season with Peter Schreeger as a production of the 2 00:00:09,786 --> 00:00:24,666 Speaker 1: NFL in partnership with I Heart Radio. Yes, we're here. 3 00:00:24,946 --> 00:00:29,546 Speaker 1: It's Conference Championship Game weekend. Uh, this is it. We're 4 00:00:29,546 --> 00:00:33,906 Speaker 1: down the four four teams. I'm Peter Schreeger. This is 5 00:00:34,026 --> 00:00:36,786 Speaker 1: the season with Peter Schreeger. We've had a blasto in 6 00:00:36,826 --> 00:00:41,186 Speaker 1: this podcast throughout the entirety of the season. We are 7 00:00:41,226 --> 00:00:43,666 Speaker 1: now at the end of the line. We got four 8 00:00:43,706 --> 00:00:46,506 Speaker 1: teams left. And I said it on Good Morning Football. Um, 9 00:00:46,666 --> 00:00:49,746 Speaker 1: I said, you've got three of the four teams from 10 00:00:49,826 --> 00:00:52,666 Speaker 1: last year's conference championship game returning, and you've got another 11 00:00:52,706 --> 00:00:54,906 Speaker 1: team that won a Super Bowl in seventeen that still 12 00:00:54,946 --> 00:00:56,386 Speaker 1: has a lot of those guys on there. Like this, 13 00:00:56,546 --> 00:00:59,306 Speaker 1: there is no Cinderella left there. This is the cream 14 00:00:59,346 --> 00:01:02,946 Speaker 1: of the crop. Now, brock Party story could be Cinderella. 15 00:01:03,306 --> 00:01:05,466 Speaker 1: You could say that Jalen Hurts being a second round 16 00:01:05,546 --> 00:01:07,786 Speaker 1: quarterback is in Arella. But like, at the end of 17 00:01:07,826 --> 00:01:09,826 Speaker 1: the day, and these are not four best teams in football, 18 00:01:09,946 --> 00:01:13,946 Speaker 1: and I think the Bengal showed on Sunday that they belong. 19 00:01:14,346 --> 00:01:16,946 Speaker 1: This isn't gonna be Hey, well, what if Josh Allen 20 00:01:16,946 --> 00:01:18,786 Speaker 1: had had a different deal. No, that was that was 21 00:01:18,826 --> 00:01:22,426 Speaker 1: a blowout. UM. I want to talk about the Bengals though, 22 00:01:22,586 --> 00:01:26,146 Speaker 1: because we're gonna have on a guest who's really close 23 00:01:26,306 --> 00:01:28,946 Speaker 1: to one of the Bengals players in a second, UM, 24 00:01:29,106 --> 00:01:31,746 Speaker 1: and we'll get into to what that's all about. But 25 00:01:31,906 --> 00:01:34,866 Speaker 1: I just look at what Cincinnati did on Sunday and 26 00:01:34,906 --> 00:01:37,986 Speaker 1: it's like, is there a more underappreciated team over the 27 00:01:38,026 --> 00:01:41,706 Speaker 1: last two seasons than Cincinnati. Everyone was kind of hesitant 28 00:01:41,746 --> 00:01:43,946 Speaker 1: after last year, after they made this wild run and 29 00:01:43,946 --> 00:01:45,346 Speaker 1: they said, let's see you do it again. They start 30 00:01:45,386 --> 00:01:48,626 Speaker 1: of the season oh and two, Um, they lose games 31 00:01:48,626 --> 00:01:51,026 Speaker 1: to the Steelers and the Division and then they lose 32 00:01:51,106 --> 00:01:55,026 Speaker 1: to the Cowboys with Brock Purty and you're like, all right, 33 00:01:55,106 --> 00:01:57,706 Speaker 1: so this is a typical story. Team goes to Super Bowl, 34 00:01:57,746 --> 00:02:00,786 Speaker 1: loses and then fails to get back. They've simply been 35 00:02:00,786 --> 00:02:03,386 Speaker 1: the best team in football the last two months. And 36 00:02:03,466 --> 00:02:08,226 Speaker 1: I love the salt and the vinegar out of their 37 00:02:08,266 --> 00:02:12,306 Speaker 1: coach Zach Taylor. After the game on on Sunday, they 38 00:02:12,346 --> 00:02:15,266 Speaker 1: asked Zach Taylor about it and he he you know, 39 00:02:15,386 --> 00:02:18,346 Speaker 1: he had a really pithy response. He kind of apologized 40 00:02:18,426 --> 00:02:21,706 Speaker 1: or he did apologize to all the logistics makers um 41 00:02:21,746 --> 00:02:23,986 Speaker 1: around the league, and for those who had to worry 42 00:02:23,986 --> 00:02:26,426 Speaker 1: about the logistics of a coin toss and a neutral 43 00:02:26,506 --> 00:02:30,546 Speaker 1: field when the Bills play the Chiefs. Zach apologized to them, Um, 44 00:02:30,546 --> 00:02:33,106 Speaker 1: from the heart. It is tough because there they have 45 00:02:33,186 --> 00:02:35,106 Speaker 1: to formulate the plans for coin tosses, and they got 46 00:02:35,106 --> 00:02:36,986 Speaker 1: to formulate the plans for neutral site games, and we 47 00:02:37,026 --> 00:02:39,586 Speaker 1: just keep screwing it up for everybody. And I hate 48 00:02:39,586 --> 00:02:41,986 Speaker 1: that for for the people that have to endure all 49 00:02:41,986 --> 00:02:45,506 Speaker 1: those logistical issues and then we just keep screwing it up. 50 00:02:45,546 --> 00:02:48,906 Speaker 1: So I'm sorry. He apologized to them because gosh, he 51 00:02:49,026 --> 00:02:50,826 Speaker 1: ruined their plans and he knows a lot of work 52 00:02:51,306 --> 00:02:54,386 Speaker 1: went into that. H I love that stuff. Lou and 53 00:02:54,466 --> 00:02:58,266 Speaker 1: a Rumo defensive coordinator, fifty year old dude from Staten 54 00:02:58,266 --> 00:03:02,306 Speaker 1: Island coached all over the place. Was in Miami, but 55 00:03:02,346 --> 00:03:04,826 Speaker 1: before that, you know, coached and I think Harvard. He 56 00:03:04,906 --> 00:03:08,706 Speaker 1: was at a at Wagner, a college in Staten Island 57 00:03:08,746 --> 00:03:12,906 Speaker 1: before that. They've got the best defense in the league. Um, 58 00:03:13,026 --> 00:03:16,306 Speaker 1: and as far as adjustments go, they make them all 59 00:03:16,346 --> 00:03:20,786 Speaker 1: the time. They have now silenced not only uh Patrick Mahomes, 60 00:03:20,866 --> 00:03:24,666 Speaker 1: but they've silenced Josh Allen in a playoff game and 61 00:03:24,666 --> 00:03:28,066 Speaker 1: and in the RUMO got zero head coaching interviews this 62 00:03:28,226 --> 00:03:32,586 Speaker 1: entire cycle. Zero. There are five coaching vacancies, not one 63 00:03:32,626 --> 00:03:34,786 Speaker 1: of them, not one of those teams. I thought it 64 00:03:34,866 --> 00:03:36,906 Speaker 1: might be wise to maybe pick the brain of the 65 00:03:36,946 --> 00:03:40,106 Speaker 1: defensive architect who has beaten Patrick Mahomes every time he's 66 00:03:40,146 --> 00:03:43,706 Speaker 1: faced him. UM in the NFL. Then just killed Josh 67 00:03:43,706 --> 00:03:47,226 Speaker 1: Allen and Ken Dorsey's offense to ten points. All right, 68 00:03:47,226 --> 00:03:50,186 Speaker 1: So that's one guy. Then there's Brian Callahan, who we've 69 00:03:50,186 --> 00:03:53,466 Speaker 1: had on this podcast, the offensive coordinator of the Cincinnati 70 00:03:53,506 --> 00:03:56,506 Speaker 1: Bengals under forty years old. Has worked with everybody from 71 00:03:56,506 --> 00:03:59,666 Speaker 1: Peyton Manning to Tim Tebow. Has had success with both, 72 00:04:00,266 --> 00:04:03,266 Speaker 1: Um Matthew Stafford and Derek Carr has had success with both, 73 00:04:03,306 --> 00:04:05,786 Speaker 1: and now is with Joe Burrow. How many interviews did 74 00:04:05,786 --> 00:04:08,346 Speaker 1: he get? He one head coaching interview, and it felt 75 00:04:08,386 --> 00:04:10,466 Speaker 1: like it was a it was almost like a nice 76 00:04:10,466 --> 00:04:12,986 Speaker 1: to have interview with the Indianapolis Colts. I have not 77 00:04:13,106 --> 00:04:15,266 Speaker 1: heard his name mentioned as a favorite for that job. 78 00:04:15,786 --> 00:04:20,066 Speaker 1: So you're telling me the defensive coordinator has zero interviews, 79 00:04:20,066 --> 00:04:23,266 Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator has one interview. No one's talking about 80 00:04:23,306 --> 00:04:25,626 Speaker 1: the work that their offensive line coach Frank Pollock is doing. 81 00:04:25,746 --> 00:04:29,506 Speaker 1: Nobody's talking about what their wide receivers coach Troy Walters 82 00:04:29,546 --> 00:04:31,546 Speaker 1: is doing with all those young receivers and filling in 83 00:04:31,546 --> 00:04:34,786 Speaker 1: when Mr Chase went down. I think this team forget 84 00:04:34,826 --> 00:04:36,986 Speaker 1: about all the Allen and Mahomes stuff and how Burrow 85 00:04:37,066 --> 00:04:39,226 Speaker 1: was kind of dismissed all summer in the beginning of 86 00:04:39,226 --> 00:04:42,706 Speaker 1: the season as an overlooked quarterback. I think the coaching 87 00:04:42,746 --> 00:04:45,666 Speaker 1: staffs overlooked. I think every part of this team is overlooked. 88 00:04:45,666 --> 00:04:47,946 Speaker 1: I think when I say that, uh, you know, Joe 89 00:04:47,986 --> 00:04:50,866 Speaker 1: Burrow doesn't view himself as an underdog. I think it's 90 00:04:50,906 --> 00:04:54,426 Speaker 1: fair to say that these these Bengals have been overlooked. 91 00:04:54,866 --> 00:04:57,706 Speaker 1: Now look at the breath of what they've done. An 92 00:04:57,786 --> 00:05:00,426 Speaker 1: f C Championship game last year, and what was Burrows 93 00:05:00,986 --> 00:05:04,306 Speaker 1: you know, first full season as the starter um and 94 00:05:04,346 --> 00:05:06,946 Speaker 1: then you go right back to it in year umber two, 95 00:05:07,106 --> 00:05:09,386 Speaker 1: and you do it with with all the departures on 96 00:05:09,386 --> 00:05:11,546 Speaker 1: the offensive line that everyone freaked out about, and then 97 00:05:11,586 --> 00:05:14,946 Speaker 1: of course the additions that got hurt Um with Lyle 98 00:05:15,066 --> 00:05:16,786 Speaker 1: Collins and some man of the other guys that have 99 00:05:16,866 --> 00:05:18,906 Speaker 1: not been able to to stay on the field. I 100 00:05:18,946 --> 00:05:21,306 Speaker 1: just think the Bengals. The Bengals are a great story 101 00:05:21,586 --> 00:05:23,586 Speaker 1: and they might be the spoiler. They might be the 102 00:05:23,626 --> 00:05:25,986 Speaker 1: team that no one wanted to see in the ANC 103 00:05:26,186 --> 00:05:28,706 Speaker 1: Championship Game or nobody wanted to see in the Super Bowl. 104 00:05:29,066 --> 00:05:32,146 Speaker 1: But they're leaning into it disrespect all over. They don't 105 00:05:32,186 --> 00:05:34,706 Speaker 1: get mentioned, and uh, I kind of like this whole 106 00:05:34,706 --> 00:05:37,266 Speaker 1: deal with them, and then you see the Chiefs and 107 00:05:37,346 --> 00:05:38,746 Speaker 1: you see it, and you look at what they did 108 00:05:38,786 --> 00:05:43,226 Speaker 1: last week, heroic win from Patrick Mahomes, but gosh, I'm concerned. 109 00:05:43,426 --> 00:05:46,026 Speaker 1: I have real concerns. He was hobbling around on that ankle, 110 00:05:46,026 --> 00:05:48,386 Speaker 1: and I'm worried that that was adrenaline and that was 111 00:05:48,746 --> 00:05:50,826 Speaker 1: all right. Just get through these next two quarters, find 112 00:05:50,826 --> 00:05:54,306 Speaker 1: a way to Willis to win. Bengals defense doesn't care. 113 00:05:54,306 --> 00:05:56,826 Speaker 1: You'd think Eli Apple and Trey Hendrickson, are they gonna 114 00:05:56,866 --> 00:06:00,186 Speaker 1: be gonna be uh, you know, worried about mahomes ankle. No. So, 115 00:06:00,786 --> 00:06:04,146 Speaker 1: if anything, I think this game went from when it started, 116 00:06:04,706 --> 00:06:07,066 Speaker 1: you know, Sunday afternoon, around sick the clock, when we 117 00:06:07,066 --> 00:06:08,866 Speaker 1: saw who was playing, it went from like, all right, 118 00:06:08,906 --> 00:06:11,786 Speaker 1: chief should be favored. They're an arrowhead too, now I think, 119 00:06:12,546 --> 00:06:13,826 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think it's crazy to say the 120 00:06:13,826 --> 00:06:15,506 Speaker 1: Bengle should be the favorites in this game. We'll see 121 00:06:15,506 --> 00:06:16,986 Speaker 1: where it ends up, but I know things have been 122 00:06:16,986 --> 00:06:19,586 Speaker 1: shifting back and forth on that one. Either way, it's 123 00:06:19,586 --> 00:06:22,586 Speaker 1: a beautiful game. And there's this other storyline of Mahomes 124 00:06:22,626 --> 00:06:25,786 Speaker 1: being Owen three against Burrow that goes to Owen four. 125 00:06:25,906 --> 00:06:28,266 Speaker 1: That is not just some coincidence. That's not some trend. 126 00:06:28,306 --> 00:06:31,906 Speaker 1: That's a thing. And I don't think it's absurd to say, hey, 127 00:06:32,066 --> 00:06:35,026 Speaker 1: Burrow has Mahomes's number. I know quarterbacks don't face each 128 00:06:35,026 --> 00:06:38,426 Speaker 1: other one on one, but if one quarterback has team 129 00:06:38,466 --> 00:06:40,346 Speaker 1: has won four games the other one is one zero 130 00:06:40,426 --> 00:06:43,826 Speaker 1: against each other, that becomes an actual storyline. And it 131 00:06:43,866 --> 00:06:46,746 Speaker 1: isn't just hot take stuff. That's the a f C, 132 00:06:47,666 --> 00:06:51,026 Speaker 1: the NFC. Are you ready for the hardest hitting game 133 00:06:51,026 --> 00:06:52,866 Speaker 1: of the season. Are you ready to see just smash 134 00:06:52,946 --> 00:06:56,306 Speaker 1: mouth football like we have not seen yet before. I 135 00:06:56,906 --> 00:06:59,346 Speaker 1: can't wait for it. I'm watching this this San Francisco 136 00:06:59,426 --> 00:07:03,146 Speaker 1: defense just bubble dock and and bottle up everybody on 137 00:07:03,146 --> 00:07:06,546 Speaker 1: on Dallas. And then I'm watching the Eagles defense, know, 138 00:07:06,666 --> 00:07:08,746 Speaker 1: third most sacks in the history of a sport in 139 00:07:08,746 --> 00:07:13,186 Speaker 1: a season. Philadelphia Eagles absolutely manhandle the Giants, which who 140 00:07:13,186 --> 00:07:15,706 Speaker 1: are simmering, and then their offense just run all over 141 00:07:15,746 --> 00:07:19,866 Speaker 1: for two eighty something yards on the Giants like McCaffrey 142 00:07:20,026 --> 00:07:22,226 Speaker 1: will see his health, but I know that McCaffrey used 143 00:07:22,266 --> 00:07:24,986 Speaker 1: check Elijah Mitchell. Behind that offensive line, they're gonna be 144 00:07:24,986 --> 00:07:27,466 Speaker 1: smashing the ball with Debo of course getting some touches. 145 00:07:27,826 --> 00:07:30,426 Speaker 1: And then the Eagles, what they showed was if Jalen 146 00:07:30,506 --> 00:07:33,946 Speaker 1: Hurts isn't gonna kill you with defeat, Miles Sanders, Will Boston, 147 00:07:34,026 --> 00:07:37,426 Speaker 1: Scott Will Gain, Will Will and those offensive linemen are 148 00:07:37,426 --> 00:07:40,306 Speaker 1: gonna be out there just pummeling dudes. Uh. I would 149 00:07:40,346 --> 00:07:43,066 Speaker 1: pay a lot of money to just watch the trenches 150 00:07:43,346 --> 00:07:46,626 Speaker 1: on Sunday of that game. You're talking about Armstead bossa 151 00:07:47,066 --> 00:07:51,186 Speaker 1: Abu khon Um going up against you know the guys 152 00:07:51,186 --> 00:07:53,586 Speaker 1: that are that have been protecting Jalen Hurts all season. 153 00:07:53,666 --> 00:07:57,946 Speaker 1: That's my Alatta, That's Johnson, that's Kelsey. I love it. 154 00:07:57,986 --> 00:08:00,426 Speaker 1: I love it. If you're a purist, you might like 155 00:08:00,746 --> 00:08:03,946 Speaker 1: Bengals chiefs Um because of the offense and the view. 156 00:08:04,226 --> 00:08:06,106 Speaker 1: But if you're a purist from a different era, you 157 00:08:06,186 --> 00:08:10,066 Speaker 1: might like the forty Niners and the Eagles because of 158 00:08:10,106 --> 00:08:13,506 Speaker 1: the smash mouth nature of it. Aaron Kaufman, my, my 159 00:08:13,586 --> 00:08:16,466 Speaker 1: wonderful producer, I got you on the mic if you're 160 00:08:16,506 --> 00:08:18,866 Speaker 1: to rank these two games as far as like, all right, 161 00:08:18,906 --> 00:08:20,946 Speaker 1: I need to get my popcorn. I need to be 162 00:08:21,346 --> 00:08:23,666 Speaker 1: on the couch. You're obviously gonna watch both. Which one 163 00:08:23,706 --> 00:08:25,706 Speaker 1: to you right now? Are you like I have to 164 00:08:25,786 --> 00:08:28,106 Speaker 1: have to watch every snap in this game? I mean 165 00:08:28,146 --> 00:08:31,946 Speaker 1: the Bengals Bengals Kansas City because you know, as a 166 00:08:31,986 --> 00:08:35,306 Speaker 1: Buffalo fan, like wanting to be aware of the things 167 00:08:35,306 --> 00:08:37,026 Speaker 1: that we will constantly have to go up against, but 168 00:08:37,106 --> 00:08:41,226 Speaker 1: also like you were saying, I mean, uh, the Bengals, 169 00:08:41,506 --> 00:08:43,546 Speaker 1: you know, have not been given the same hype that 170 00:08:43,866 --> 00:08:46,906 Speaker 1: Kansas City has and Buffalo was all season long. And 171 00:08:46,986 --> 00:08:50,906 Speaker 1: now I want to see how hurt my homes ankle is. 172 00:08:50,946 --> 00:08:54,386 Speaker 1: I want to see, you know, what what this offense 173 00:08:54,386 --> 00:08:57,026 Speaker 1: on Kansas City will look like when it's really just 174 00:08:57,106 --> 00:09:00,866 Speaker 1: Kelsey pushing it um and the way that Cincinnati was 175 00:09:00,906 --> 00:09:03,626 Speaker 1: able to shut down Stefon Diggs, Like what's gonna happen 176 00:09:03,666 --> 00:09:05,986 Speaker 1: with Kelsey? So that's the one I'm most excited for. 177 00:09:06,266 --> 00:09:08,786 Speaker 1: I have like, in my mind kind of a dream 178 00:09:08,866 --> 00:09:11,626 Speaker 1: super Bowl matchup with the four remaining, But I'm most 179 00:09:11,626 --> 00:09:13,746 Speaker 1: excited for Cincinnati Kansas City. A right, give me a 180 00:09:13,786 --> 00:09:15,386 Speaker 1: super Bowl match up? What are we doing? Let's go 181 00:09:15,706 --> 00:09:18,186 Speaker 1: from like a narrative standpoint. I think it would be 182 00:09:18,226 --> 00:09:21,986 Speaker 1: amazing to have Kansas City San Francisco because you have 183 00:09:22,066 --> 00:09:26,146 Speaker 1: like the greatest quarterback of all time versus Mr Irrelevant. 184 00:09:26,666 --> 00:09:28,466 Speaker 1: I think that would just be such a fun thing 185 00:09:28,546 --> 00:09:31,186 Speaker 1: to watch. Um. And no, way, you're talking about Mahomes, 186 00:09:31,226 --> 00:09:34,026 Speaker 1: what about Burrow? He looks like he might be this 187 00:09:34,066 --> 00:09:36,586 Speaker 1: tweet and you said the time good Morning football is Burrow? Like, 188 00:09:36,626 --> 00:09:38,506 Speaker 1: if you're starting a team right now, do you take 189 00:09:38,546 --> 00:09:42,426 Speaker 1: Burrow over my Homes? I still think Mahomes is like 190 00:09:42,546 --> 00:09:47,466 Speaker 1: the Michael Jordan's um. But yeah, either one, I mean 191 00:09:47,466 --> 00:09:50,226 Speaker 1: I think either one. You're gonna have this incredible quarterback. 192 00:09:50,466 --> 00:09:53,906 Speaker 1: I think Burrow has maybe a better supporting cast right 193 00:09:53,906 --> 00:09:57,626 Speaker 1: now with Chase and Higgins, Um and the running backs. 194 00:09:57,666 --> 00:10:00,746 Speaker 1: I mean there's and Tyler Boyd Like, so yeah, I 195 00:10:00,786 --> 00:10:03,306 Speaker 1: think my dream match up, as much as I don't 196 00:10:03,346 --> 00:10:06,186 Speaker 1: want Kansas City winning, you know, to have a Kansas 197 00:10:06,186 --> 00:10:08,746 Speaker 1: City San Francisco matchup would just be amazing from the 198 00:10:08,986 --> 00:10:11,226 Speaker 1: quarterback standpoint. And it's a rematch of the Super Bowl 199 00:10:11,266 --> 00:10:14,146 Speaker 1: from three years ago. We've seen it um pre COVID 200 00:10:14,706 --> 00:10:19,786 Speaker 1: that February that was the matchup. It was forty Niners 201 00:10:20,106 --> 00:10:24,786 Speaker 1: versus Chiefs for Shanahan and Kittle and and use Check 202 00:10:24,826 --> 00:10:27,146 Speaker 1: and all those boys who went in there, and they 203 00:10:27,186 --> 00:10:28,946 Speaker 1: just came up just short to my homes in that 204 00:10:29,026 --> 00:10:31,466 Speaker 1: offense and Andy Reid. It would be fascinating to see 205 00:10:31,466 --> 00:10:35,986 Speaker 1: them get a rematch real quick around the horn stuff. Um. 206 00:10:36,106 --> 00:10:38,226 Speaker 1: I think the Bills are an interesting team to watch 207 00:10:38,386 --> 00:10:41,346 Speaker 1: right now. They had so much hype going to the season. 208 00:10:41,386 --> 00:10:43,706 Speaker 1: It was such an exhausting season. Um. To come up 209 00:10:43,746 --> 00:10:46,466 Speaker 1: short again the Visional round, I think is a great disappointment. 210 00:10:46,546 --> 00:10:48,226 Speaker 1: They didn't have enough. They just simply did not have 211 00:10:48,346 --> 00:10:49,866 Speaker 1: enough left in the tank. I think it was obvious 212 00:10:49,946 --> 00:10:52,386 Speaker 1: if you watch the first ten minutes of that game. 213 00:10:52,426 --> 00:10:54,506 Speaker 1: Cincinnati went up and down the field. It was fourteen 214 00:10:54,506 --> 00:10:56,946 Speaker 1: nothing and that was all. She wrote. Fascinated to see 215 00:10:56,986 --> 00:11:00,626 Speaker 1: what becomes of them, because whether it was the nineties 216 00:11:00,706 --> 00:11:03,946 Speaker 1: Oilers that were always competitive with Warren Moon but never 217 00:11:04,026 --> 00:11:07,226 Speaker 1: got to the super Bowl, or it was some of 218 00:11:07,226 --> 00:11:11,066 Speaker 1: these other teams, uh in recent history. I remember, you know, 219 00:11:11,266 --> 00:11:14,146 Speaker 1: the Saints of the Sean Payton era, the second half 220 00:11:14,146 --> 00:11:16,426 Speaker 1: of the Shawan Payon era, always in the playoffs, always 221 00:11:16,426 --> 00:11:19,066 Speaker 1: hosting playoff games, but never could get to the super Bowl. 222 00:11:19,106 --> 00:11:21,506 Speaker 1: Like is that the Bills or is this just another 223 00:11:21,626 --> 00:11:24,506 Speaker 1: chapter in Josh Allen's book where it's like he was 224 00:11:24,586 --> 00:11:26,866 Speaker 1: like Michael Jordan listening to the Pistons a few times 225 00:11:26,866 --> 00:11:29,386 Speaker 1: and had to just keep on chipping away, chipping away 226 00:11:29,426 --> 00:11:32,026 Speaker 1: until he finally broke through. I find the Bills fascinating. 227 00:11:32,026 --> 00:11:34,706 Speaker 1: Tremaine Edmunds a free agent, Jordan's ployer is a free agent. 228 00:11:35,386 --> 00:11:38,466 Speaker 1: UM lots of turnover on the roster coming there. And 229 00:11:38,946 --> 00:11:40,986 Speaker 1: we'll see what happens with Buffalo, whether they can get 230 00:11:41,026 --> 00:11:43,186 Speaker 1: it all back together, because gosh, I feel like we 231 00:11:43,386 --> 00:11:46,146 Speaker 1: uh hype them to no end last offseason, and that 232 00:11:46,186 --> 00:11:47,826 Speaker 1: was a team that only made the divisional round. So 233 00:11:48,186 --> 00:11:49,786 Speaker 1: back to back divisional rounds, and if you look at 234 00:11:49,786 --> 00:11:52,306 Speaker 1: it over three year tracked, they went a f C 235 00:11:52,466 --> 00:11:54,786 Speaker 1: championship game and they lost in a heartbreak in the 236 00:11:54,826 --> 00:11:56,826 Speaker 1: division around, and then they got blown out in the 237 00:11:56,826 --> 00:11:59,226 Speaker 1: division around. They're going backwards as much as it seems 238 00:11:59,266 --> 00:12:01,226 Speaker 1: like they're knocking on the door. They're going backwards. So 239 00:12:01,306 --> 00:12:05,066 Speaker 1: Buffalo is a wild team to watch. UM. As we 240 00:12:05,146 --> 00:12:08,426 Speaker 1: move forward, I think the coaching stuff is really interesting. 241 00:12:08,426 --> 00:12:10,986 Speaker 1: As we record this on a Tuesday, I imagine this 242 00:12:11,026 --> 00:12:12,866 Speaker 1: is the week we're gonna start getting some more news. 243 00:12:12,906 --> 00:12:15,746 Speaker 1: But as of this recording, there are five head coaching 244 00:12:15,826 --> 00:12:20,546 Speaker 1: jobs open, none have been filled, and nine offensive coordinator 245 00:12:20,626 --> 00:12:26,866 Speaker 1: jobs open, none have been filled. So okay, Senior Bowls 246 00:12:26,866 --> 00:12:29,346 Speaker 1: a week away, you gotta get your staff together. Combines 247 00:12:29,466 --> 00:12:31,266 Speaker 1: in a few weeks away, you'd like to have your 248 00:12:31,266 --> 00:12:35,426 Speaker 1: staff together. Fascinating to see you know which Domino's drop 249 00:12:35,466 --> 00:12:38,906 Speaker 1: and who goes where. Um. But I think even with 250 00:12:38,986 --> 00:12:42,586 Speaker 1: the offensive coordinator jobs, it's hard with all those positions 251 00:12:42,626 --> 00:12:45,306 Speaker 1: to zero in on a player or zero and on 252 00:12:45,426 --> 00:12:48,186 Speaker 1: an individual to be your offensive coordinator. When some of 253 00:12:48,226 --> 00:12:50,386 Speaker 1: these teams don't even know who their quarterback is. Like 254 00:12:50,986 --> 00:12:53,906 Speaker 1: Tampa fired Byron left Foot and everyone applauded that, like, yeah, 255 00:12:53,946 --> 00:12:55,746 Speaker 1: I was talking to who's their quarterback? We don't know 256 00:12:55,786 --> 00:12:58,786 Speaker 1: if Brady's coming back. The Jets fired Michael Floor, who's 257 00:12:58,786 --> 00:13:01,866 Speaker 1: their quarterback? Who we're going with? Um, you go right 258 00:13:01,906 --> 00:13:04,866 Speaker 1: down the list to all these guys with the exception 259 00:13:04,906 --> 00:13:08,786 Speaker 1: of maybe Lamar in Baltimore and then Justin Herbert in 260 00:13:09,026 --> 00:13:13,146 Speaker 1: UH with the Chargers, and I guess whoever the Rams 261 00:13:13,226 --> 00:13:15,906 Speaker 1: higher Like, there's a bunch of unknowns at these quarterback 262 00:13:15,946 --> 00:13:19,266 Speaker 1: positions too, so you can fire all the offensive coordinators 263 00:13:19,306 --> 00:13:21,506 Speaker 1: you want and blame them. Um, I don't know which 264 00:13:21,506 --> 00:13:23,426 Speaker 1: offensive coordinators are lining up for which job if they 265 00:13:23,466 --> 00:13:26,426 Speaker 1: don't know who the quarterback is coming in. Uh to 266 00:13:26,906 --> 00:13:29,826 Speaker 1: the opening week of training camp and all that we 267 00:13:29,906 --> 00:13:35,906 Speaker 1: do have this morning, Bill O'Brien, I saw that not surprising. Um, 268 00:13:36,026 --> 00:13:38,026 Speaker 1: that's one of those deals where I don't think Belichick 269 00:13:38,266 --> 00:13:40,626 Speaker 1: was looking to go outside the box and hire a 270 00:13:40,706 --> 00:13:43,066 Speaker 1: name that he wasn't familiar with, for better or for worse. 271 00:13:43,146 --> 00:13:44,866 Speaker 1: He likes to know what he's got in Bill O'Brien, 272 00:13:45,106 --> 00:13:47,506 Speaker 1: his history with Belichick, and of course has history as 273 00:13:47,506 --> 00:13:50,226 Speaker 1: a head coach, and we'll see if he's the answer 274 00:13:50,506 --> 00:13:55,426 Speaker 1: uh the New England's offensive struggles. One last thing that 275 00:13:55,466 --> 00:13:58,066 Speaker 1: I wanted to hit. I always think the logistics of 276 00:13:58,146 --> 00:14:00,506 Speaker 1: Championship game week is really interesting. So if you're not 277 00:14:00,546 --> 00:14:04,906 Speaker 1: aware what happens is all four teams and representatives from 278 00:14:04,986 --> 00:14:09,226 Speaker 1: their building two Arizona, the home super Bowl site, and 279 00:14:09,266 --> 00:14:12,586 Speaker 1: they do a full walkthrough, and they figure out where 280 00:14:12,586 --> 00:14:15,506 Speaker 1: their fans are gonna have their fan activation, they figure 281 00:14:15,506 --> 00:14:18,026 Speaker 1: out where the team hotel is gonna be, They set 282 00:14:18,066 --> 00:14:21,106 Speaker 1: up reservations for dinner for two weeks. It's it's one 283 00:14:21,146 --> 00:14:23,586 Speaker 1: of the wildest things in sports that they go through 284 00:14:23,586 --> 00:14:27,506 Speaker 1: the entire process and it could all be for not um. 285 00:14:27,626 --> 00:14:30,106 Speaker 1: I know so many people in buildings who over the 286 00:14:30,186 --> 00:14:32,946 Speaker 1: years have done that trip, and it's it's you know, 287 00:14:32,986 --> 00:14:35,706 Speaker 1: in political campaign work, they call it advance work, Like 288 00:14:35,826 --> 00:14:37,866 Speaker 1: you go into okay, so there's a stump speech for 289 00:14:37,906 --> 00:14:40,506 Speaker 1: this political candidate. You go in a week in advance 290 00:14:40,546 --> 00:14:42,506 Speaker 1: and you make sure everything is set and the logistics 291 00:14:42,546 --> 00:14:45,066 Speaker 1: are ready, and this hotel is this block of rooms, 292 00:14:45,106 --> 00:14:47,426 Speaker 1: and okay, here's a walkthrough, here's where the bus route 293 00:14:47,426 --> 00:14:50,266 Speaker 1: is gonna be. And you almost live the super Bowl 294 00:14:50,586 --> 00:14:53,746 Speaker 1: before you're actually living it. And so many teams, obviously 295 00:14:53,786 --> 00:14:57,706 Speaker 1: half every year, go through that process only to not 296 00:14:57,746 --> 00:15:00,346 Speaker 1: be able to live it out fully. Um, those folks 297 00:15:00,346 --> 00:15:03,026 Speaker 1: are doing that this week. I always wish them well 298 00:15:03,066 --> 00:15:05,186 Speaker 1: because it's a superstitious thing where like you don't want 299 00:15:05,186 --> 00:15:08,106 Speaker 1: to get too excited and yet, gosh, you can taste it. 300 00:15:08,186 --> 00:15:11,146 Speaker 1: You're in Arizona. You're there, the weather is the same weather. 301 00:15:11,186 --> 00:15:13,266 Speaker 1: It's going to be Super Bowl week and you're actually 302 00:15:13,706 --> 00:15:15,986 Speaker 1: living in those shoes of a super Bowl team. Your 303 00:15:15,986 --> 00:15:18,226 Speaker 1: team just needs to take care of business. Um. We 304 00:15:18,306 --> 00:15:22,306 Speaker 1: have to really good guests today. The first one is 305 00:15:22,306 --> 00:15:25,586 Speaker 1: a major get. I'm excited about this. I asked him 306 00:15:25,626 --> 00:15:27,386 Speaker 1: before this season if he'd be willing to come on. 307 00:15:27,426 --> 00:15:29,186 Speaker 1: He said, let's check in after the season. I want 308 00:15:29,186 --> 00:15:31,946 Speaker 1: to focus on ball. Um and he is now one 309 00:15:31,986 --> 00:15:34,426 Speaker 1: of the most coveted names in these head coaching searches. 310 00:15:34,466 --> 00:15:36,946 Speaker 1: He has coached in the Super Bowl, he was the 311 00:15:36,946 --> 00:15:39,746 Speaker 1: man behind the number two ranked defense in the entire NFL, 312 00:15:39,906 --> 00:15:42,266 Speaker 1: and he is a hell of a dude. Uh. Dan 313 00:15:42,386 --> 00:15:49,466 Speaker 1: Quinn is joining us after this. Our guest is one 314 00:15:49,466 --> 00:15:51,986 Speaker 1: of the best coaches in football. He's taken a team 315 00:15:52,026 --> 00:15:53,866 Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl and and the last couple of 316 00:15:53,946 --> 00:15:55,786 Speaker 1: years has been the defensive coordinator the one of the 317 00:15:55,786 --> 00:15:58,626 Speaker 1: best units in the sport. He's got very busy week 318 00:15:58,626 --> 00:16:01,146 Speaker 1: ahead and we're so thrilled that he would take uh 319 00:16:01,226 --> 00:16:03,466 Speaker 1: some time to join the season with Peter Schreeger, one 320 00:16:03,466 --> 00:16:06,466 Speaker 1: of my favorite guys, d Q Dan Quinn, welcome of 321 00:16:06,506 --> 00:16:08,546 Speaker 1: the podcast. A couple of Jersey guys. They let us 322 00:16:08,586 --> 00:16:11,626 Speaker 1: on the podcast together. Look out, let's go, bro, Let's go. 323 00:16:12,226 --> 00:16:15,146 Speaker 1: You and I. We love Jersey, we love boxing, we 324 00:16:15,226 --> 00:16:18,586 Speaker 1: love rage against the Machine, and we love defense. Uh, 325 00:16:18,666 --> 00:16:23,466 Speaker 1: your defense put together a wonderful season and another great 326 00:16:23,466 --> 00:16:26,506 Speaker 1: performance against the forty nine. Now that we're about forty 327 00:16:26,506 --> 00:16:29,706 Speaker 1: eight hours remove recording, this give us a diagnosis of 328 00:16:29,746 --> 00:16:32,546 Speaker 1: the season that was for the Dallas Cowboys defense. As 329 00:16:32,586 --> 00:16:35,186 Speaker 1: you're kind of in the building right now and wondering, 330 00:16:35,186 --> 00:16:37,746 Speaker 1: all right, what was this season as a whole? Yeah, 331 00:16:37,786 --> 00:16:40,466 Speaker 1: because it's uh when you lose and you're just not 332 00:16:40,546 --> 00:16:42,546 Speaker 1: ready for it right when the season ends, there's a 333 00:16:42,586 --> 00:16:46,746 Speaker 1: hollowness that goes with that. But I would say probably, Um, 334 00:16:46,786 --> 00:16:48,826 Speaker 1: one of the things I'm most proud of of the 335 00:16:48,866 --> 00:16:52,666 Speaker 1: group is, uh the ability to create takeaway So it's 336 00:16:52,706 --> 00:16:56,066 Speaker 1: been all the way since seventy three and seventy four 337 00:16:56,106 --> 00:16:58,946 Speaker 1: with the Steelers that a team went back to back 338 00:16:58,986 --> 00:17:01,786 Speaker 1: of leading the league and takeaways. And so, like I 339 00:17:01,866 --> 00:17:04,106 Speaker 1: told me, shild that's a long time. Guys, like that's 340 00:17:04,226 --> 00:17:06,866 Speaker 1: uh see how old I am like this? I was 341 00:17:06,866 --> 00:17:08,986 Speaker 1: born in nineteen seventies, So like, this is a big deal. 342 00:17:09,106 --> 00:17:11,786 Speaker 1: But we had a lot of fun of doing that. 343 00:17:12,026 --> 00:17:14,866 Speaker 1: And so that's a credit to the players, because like 344 00:17:15,226 --> 00:17:17,306 Speaker 1: there's a reason that hasn't happened in back to back 345 00:17:17,386 --> 00:17:19,226 Speaker 1: years for a long time. They're hard to get and 346 00:17:19,266 --> 00:17:22,546 Speaker 1: so that really I was really proud of him for 347 00:17:22,546 --> 00:17:24,666 Speaker 1: for that, and to see the progress that the team 348 00:17:24,706 --> 00:17:27,706 Speaker 1: made from year one on defense into year two and 349 00:17:28,066 --> 00:17:30,666 Speaker 1: I see that happening again. But that if there was 350 00:17:30,746 --> 00:17:33,106 Speaker 1: one thing that I was super proud of. Man, it's 351 00:17:33,146 --> 00:17:36,706 Speaker 1: like those guys ability to create takeaways when people know 352 00:17:36,826 --> 00:17:39,786 Speaker 1: you're coming, Um, that's a really big deal. And so 353 00:17:39,826 --> 00:17:41,386 Speaker 1: I was super proud of them for that. You know, 354 00:17:41,426 --> 00:17:44,026 Speaker 1: you've coached legends of the game when you were in Seattle, 355 00:17:44,066 --> 00:17:48,066 Speaker 1: of course when you're in Atlanta. This number eleven Michael Parsons. 356 00:17:48,426 --> 00:17:51,226 Speaker 1: I mean just from the naked eye, he's two pounds. 357 00:17:51,266 --> 00:17:54,906 Speaker 1: He's thrown around three twenty pound Mike McGlinchey. Um, what 358 00:17:55,146 --> 00:17:56,626 Speaker 1: do you see on a day to day basis, and 359 00:17:56,826 --> 00:17:59,306 Speaker 1: just what is the ceiling for this guy? Yeah, that's 360 00:17:59,306 --> 00:18:01,706 Speaker 1: a great term. The he's so versatil Peter and that's 361 00:18:01,706 --> 00:18:04,786 Speaker 1: what makes him a unique player because he can be 362 00:18:04,826 --> 00:18:07,306 Speaker 1: at right end, left in line up, play backer and 363 00:18:07,346 --> 00:18:10,466 Speaker 1: so the ability to move around where just there's not 364 00:18:10,506 --> 00:18:12,946 Speaker 1: a lot of people that can do that. And um, 365 00:18:12,986 --> 00:18:14,666 Speaker 1: some of the very best of the best I've been 366 00:18:14,706 --> 00:18:17,466 Speaker 1: so exceptional that just you know, the one thing that 367 00:18:17,506 --> 00:18:20,066 Speaker 1: they do. And you know, when you look at Hall 368 00:18:20,106 --> 00:18:22,226 Speaker 1: of Fames or you know, guys like Jason Taylor who 369 00:18:22,266 --> 00:18:25,266 Speaker 1: was just so damn exceptional right in and ripping it 370 00:18:25,346 --> 00:18:27,746 Speaker 1: every time and was so successful doing that at that 371 00:18:27,786 --> 00:18:31,186 Speaker 1: spot where Mica, you know, is so different. He's coming 372 00:18:31,226 --> 00:18:33,346 Speaker 1: from backer, he's playing d N and I think that 373 00:18:33,906 --> 00:18:36,186 Speaker 1: is his superpower. Bro. It's the speed that he can 374 00:18:36,226 --> 00:18:39,106 Speaker 1: beat you to the punch. But not everybody can be 375 00:18:39,146 --> 00:18:41,426 Speaker 1: in two spots to take a pass rusher and moving 376 00:18:41,466 --> 00:18:43,986 Speaker 1: back to linebacker or move a linebacker moving down to 377 00:18:44,066 --> 00:18:47,266 Speaker 1: d N. That's the superpower for him. And uh So 378 00:18:47,306 --> 00:18:49,426 Speaker 1: when a guy has special traits like that, I think 379 00:18:49,466 --> 00:18:51,986 Speaker 1: that's our job as coaches to find ways to feature 380 00:18:52,026 --> 00:18:54,946 Speaker 1: him and utilize them, much like we do on offense. Hey, 381 00:18:54,986 --> 00:18:57,866 Speaker 1: this receiver can do other things we see, you know, 382 00:18:57,866 --> 00:19:00,026 Speaker 1: like just talking about Kyle's experience of running backs who 383 00:19:00,026 --> 00:19:02,586 Speaker 1: can play receivers, receivers who can play running backs, and 384 00:19:02,626 --> 00:19:05,226 Speaker 1: so we just happen to have some safeties that can 385 00:19:05,226 --> 00:19:07,426 Speaker 1: play backers and some line backers that can play in 386 00:19:07,706 --> 00:19:09,786 Speaker 1: So I think there's a lot of good that comes 387 00:19:09,786 --> 00:19:12,666 Speaker 1: with guys who are really versatile, and um, that's one 388 00:19:12,706 --> 00:19:14,946 Speaker 1: of like the superpowers. He's a really good competitor. You 389 00:19:14,986 --> 00:19:17,386 Speaker 1: would like if you challenge him on something like you 390 00:19:17,466 --> 00:19:19,946 Speaker 1: better bring it. Yeah, I'm gonna put you on the spot. 391 00:19:19,946 --> 00:19:22,546 Speaker 1: And we do the Baldi's breakdowns here and we've got 392 00:19:22,586 --> 00:19:25,506 Speaker 1: all the NFL films footage. Give me one play from 393 00:19:25,546 --> 00:19:27,426 Speaker 1: this season that just comes to mind. If you were 394 00:19:27,426 --> 00:19:30,026 Speaker 1: to look at the Micah Parsons experience and take us 395 00:19:30,026 --> 00:19:33,786 Speaker 1: through it, I would say we were playing Detroit in 396 00:19:33,826 --> 00:19:35,946 Speaker 1: a game here at home, and we had lost to 397 00:19:35,986 --> 00:19:40,866 Speaker 1: Philadelphia the week prior, and Uh, I remember pointing out 398 00:19:40,946 --> 00:19:42,866 Speaker 1: some plays in the game to say, I think you 399 00:19:42,866 --> 00:19:45,306 Speaker 1: can make that one and that one if you really 400 00:19:45,706 --> 00:19:48,426 Speaker 1: really go And it just so happened Peter that the 401 00:19:48,506 --> 00:19:51,626 Speaker 1: very next week there was a screenplay and uh, he 402 00:19:51,826 --> 00:19:55,226 Speaker 1: just hauled ass and chased the tight end and made 403 00:19:55,226 --> 00:19:58,226 Speaker 1: a tackle like on the one inch line, and he 404 00:19:58,226 --> 00:20:00,146 Speaker 1: didn't know if he was going to make it or not. 405 00:20:00,226 --> 00:20:02,266 Speaker 1: He just had to go. And I think that was 406 00:20:02,346 --> 00:20:04,826 Speaker 1: the lesson to say you don't know when the play 407 00:20:04,946 --> 00:20:06,746 Speaker 1: is going to be because he stopped him that like 408 00:20:06,826 --> 00:20:09,946 Speaker 1: the one inch line, and the next play to Marcus 409 00:20:10,026 --> 00:20:12,906 Speaker 1: Lawrence forced to fumble on the goal line play. So 410 00:20:12,946 --> 00:20:15,426 Speaker 1: it was like I was so happy that, like in 411 00:20:15,586 --> 00:20:18,906 Speaker 1: one moment, I got the show that's going for it 412 00:20:18,986 --> 00:20:21,346 Speaker 1: and even when you know you might not make it. 413 00:20:21,346 --> 00:20:24,226 Speaker 1: It had to be twenty five yards away, but he 414 00:20:24,306 --> 00:20:29,306 Speaker 1: said going anyway, and he went, and then it had 415 00:20:29,306 --> 00:20:30,866 Speaker 1: to be reviewed. Was he in? Was he out? That 416 00:20:30,946 --> 00:20:32,706 Speaker 1: wasn't the point. The point was he went. So the 417 00:20:32,786 --> 00:20:36,066 Speaker 1: next play because of that run allowed to take away 418 00:20:36,106 --> 00:20:37,786 Speaker 1: to take place because the Marcus you know, made a 419 00:20:37,826 --> 00:20:39,626 Speaker 1: good play and hit him and bar recovered. I think 420 00:20:40,066 --> 00:20:42,066 Speaker 1: that's the sequence if there was one, you know me 421 00:20:42,226 --> 00:20:45,066 Speaker 1: like teaching, if there was one teaching example for this 422 00:20:45,106 --> 00:20:48,266 Speaker 1: season to say you never know when it's going to 423 00:20:48,346 --> 00:20:50,986 Speaker 1: be that play you just halass and then a few 424 00:20:50,986 --> 00:20:52,946 Speaker 1: work goes. So that's that's the one, if I had 425 00:20:53,066 --> 00:20:56,066 Speaker 1: one to pick. You were in Seattle under Pete and 426 00:20:56,186 --> 00:21:00,346 Speaker 1: I remember going up to those practices and it was 427 00:21:00,826 --> 00:21:03,826 Speaker 1: like it was Lollafalooza every single day on that practice field, 428 00:21:03,906 --> 00:21:07,386 Speaker 1: and there was music rocking, and there was competition. And 429 00:21:07,386 --> 00:21:09,986 Speaker 1: then you'd get into the facility and there's a basketball 430 00:21:10,026 --> 00:21:13,426 Speaker 1: hoop everywhere you turn, and we're competing with you brought 431 00:21:13,466 --> 00:21:16,346 Speaker 1: the competition, you know, with you from Seattle to Atlanta, 432 00:21:16,386 --> 00:21:18,666 Speaker 1: where I remember going to that building and Flowery Branch 433 00:21:18,746 --> 00:21:21,346 Speaker 1: and it was always rocking. How have you evolved from 434 00:21:21,386 --> 00:21:25,346 Speaker 1: being the Seattle coach to the Atlanta coach to now 435 00:21:25,466 --> 00:21:29,186 Speaker 1: what you can add from your Dallas experience to whatever's next? Yeah, 436 00:21:29,226 --> 00:21:31,426 Speaker 1: I think that's a great one. And so when I 437 00:21:31,506 --> 00:21:34,786 Speaker 1: left Atlanta, UM had some space to figure out what 438 00:21:34,826 --> 00:21:36,626 Speaker 1: to do differently and what to do better. And so 439 00:21:37,106 --> 00:21:39,706 Speaker 1: into those moments when you get let go, it's a 440 00:21:39,786 --> 00:21:41,666 Speaker 1: lonely spot. So you want to dig in to say 441 00:21:41,786 --> 00:21:44,066 Speaker 1: what's different and how can I, you know, make sure 442 00:21:44,546 --> 00:21:46,786 Speaker 1: if there was a mistake made or something that was good, 443 00:21:46,826 --> 00:21:49,426 Speaker 1: that you either continue to do that or stop do 444 00:21:49,506 --> 00:21:52,986 Speaker 1: that and do it differently. And so that alone, coming 445 00:21:53,026 --> 00:21:55,386 Speaker 1: here to Dallas has allowed me to say this is 446 00:21:55,426 --> 00:21:58,226 Speaker 1: some things I would do differently. And the competition is 447 00:21:58,266 --> 00:22:01,306 Speaker 1: still front and center at where we go, but the 448 00:22:01,346 --> 00:22:04,026 Speaker 1: way we teach it the concepts that we can do, 449 00:22:04,466 --> 00:22:07,106 Speaker 1: and allowing that to take place at to me is 450 00:22:07,106 --> 00:22:09,986 Speaker 1: where it's at. So I definitely evolved from Seattle to 451 00:22:10,026 --> 00:22:12,426 Speaker 1: Atlanta and then these two years here in Dallas, Maan, 452 00:22:12,466 --> 00:22:15,106 Speaker 1: I've had a blast. I'll be able to try new things, 453 00:22:15,346 --> 00:22:18,506 Speaker 1: and it's really helped energize me to say, all right, 454 00:22:18,586 --> 00:22:20,066 Speaker 1: that's a good way to go. And you know me 455 00:22:20,106 --> 00:22:22,986 Speaker 1: always like promoting leaderships. I'm proud of the group of 456 00:22:23,106 --> 00:22:25,426 Speaker 1: leaders that have become on this defense. I would say 457 00:22:25,426 --> 00:22:28,626 Speaker 1: probably I had to do more of the leading. They 458 00:22:28,666 --> 00:22:31,586 Speaker 1: weren't ready, they were just still feeling it out. And 459 00:22:31,626 --> 00:22:35,106 Speaker 1: then now you see more leaders emerge here to where 460 00:22:35,386 --> 00:22:38,626 Speaker 1: I was able to step back when some conflicts or 461 00:22:38,666 --> 00:22:41,386 Speaker 1: problems arose to see how they'd handle it. And that, 462 00:22:41,466 --> 00:22:43,546 Speaker 1: to me is the very best. Teams I've been a 463 00:22:43,546 --> 00:22:46,426 Speaker 1: part of have been really strong in the locker room 464 00:22:46,466 --> 00:22:50,626 Speaker 1: together accountability problem solving, and this group is doing that, 465 00:22:50,706 --> 00:22:52,386 Speaker 1: and so that's really cool to see. One of the 466 00:22:52,426 --> 00:22:54,586 Speaker 1: things I love is talking to you about how you 467 00:22:54,626 --> 00:22:56,586 Speaker 1: prepare these teams for game day, and back in your 468 00:22:56,626 --> 00:22:59,706 Speaker 1: Atlanta days, I know from those players there you would 469 00:22:59,746 --> 00:23:01,706 Speaker 1: often lean on the sweet science. You would go to 470 00:23:01,786 --> 00:23:04,266 Speaker 1: boxing matches from yesteryear and you would show them and 471 00:23:04,266 --> 00:23:06,626 Speaker 1: tell them the story of the match and say, right, 472 00:23:06,666 --> 00:23:10,426 Speaker 1: here's Hector Camacho, here's his story. Where here's Roy Jones Jr. 473 00:23:10,466 --> 00:23:13,426 Speaker 1: Here's what he had going on going into this match. Um, 474 00:23:13,466 --> 00:23:16,746 Speaker 1: the boxing and football parallels. I think it's important and 475 00:23:16,466 --> 00:23:19,066 Speaker 1: I love it. Take us through that a little bit 476 00:23:19,106 --> 00:23:21,386 Speaker 1: and what a what a library of knowledge you are 477 00:23:21,426 --> 00:23:23,666 Speaker 1: when it comes to the sweet science. Yeah, I absolutely 478 00:23:23,706 --> 00:23:26,306 Speaker 1: love it. And I think in both sports you better 479 00:23:26,466 --> 00:23:30,906 Speaker 1: expect adversity to happen because it is going to be there. 480 00:23:30,946 --> 00:23:33,186 Speaker 1: Whatever you have your game plan on offense or defense 481 00:23:33,266 --> 00:23:36,186 Speaker 1: or teams, like, there's gonna be some changes that go. 482 00:23:36,746 --> 00:23:38,386 Speaker 1: You're gonna have to get your ass up off the 483 00:23:38,386 --> 00:23:40,906 Speaker 1: mat one time, like you didn't keep your hands up. 484 00:23:40,986 --> 00:23:45,506 Speaker 1: You know, you got complacent, you got lazy, you lost focus. 485 00:23:45,626 --> 00:23:48,626 Speaker 1: There's all the stories that can go. And then at 486 00:23:48,666 --> 00:23:51,226 Speaker 1: the end of it, when your preparation is just right 487 00:23:51,746 --> 00:23:54,266 Speaker 1: and you cannot wait for the fight, you can't wait 488 00:23:54,346 --> 00:23:56,946 Speaker 1: because like you've put the work in so now at 489 00:23:56,986 --> 00:23:59,786 Speaker 1: this point, I'm no longer really thinking about you. I'm 490 00:23:59,786 --> 00:24:02,026 Speaker 1: thinking about how I'm gonna come attack you, and so 491 00:24:02,146 --> 00:24:04,906 Speaker 1: that to me was where it was at. Always there 492 00:24:04,906 --> 00:24:06,866 Speaker 1: was a game plan for every fight or going into 493 00:24:06,906 --> 00:24:09,506 Speaker 1: a fight, but knowing that that is going to have 494 00:24:09,586 --> 00:24:12,826 Speaker 1: to adjust. And when players recognize that, Peter, I think 495 00:24:12,826 --> 00:24:15,066 Speaker 1: that's important to say, this is the plan, and if 496 00:24:15,066 --> 00:24:18,946 Speaker 1: they do something different, we'll adjust. And this group on 497 00:24:19,026 --> 00:24:21,706 Speaker 1: defense here has done that because Okay, if they didn't 498 00:24:21,746 --> 00:24:24,266 Speaker 1: want to, you know, let Parsons, you know, chip and 499 00:24:24,306 --> 00:24:26,146 Speaker 1: go like, this is how we're gonna have to attack. 500 00:24:26,186 --> 00:24:27,706 Speaker 1: If they want to run more screens, this is how 501 00:24:27,746 --> 00:24:30,026 Speaker 1: we're gonna have to play. And so knowing that it's 502 00:24:30,026 --> 00:24:32,906 Speaker 1: adjustable and that's a really powerful tool for a ballplayer 503 00:24:32,946 --> 00:24:35,786 Speaker 1: to say it may not go exactly like we think, 504 00:24:36,026 --> 00:24:37,626 Speaker 1: but however they want to get it on, we'll be 505 00:24:37,666 --> 00:24:39,906 Speaker 1: ready for that. And uh, that's why I love using 506 00:24:39,946 --> 00:24:42,986 Speaker 1: those analogies because there's always a lesson, um that you 507 00:24:42,986 --> 00:24:45,626 Speaker 1: can find from boxing and apply it to our sport. 508 00:24:45,786 --> 00:24:47,466 Speaker 1: All right, but it quiz you real quick and get 509 00:24:47,506 --> 00:24:49,106 Speaker 1: you this is gonna be the hot take stuff, um, 510 00:24:49,586 --> 00:24:51,506 Speaker 1: greatest heavyweight of all time? Is it a Lee or 511 00:24:51,506 --> 00:24:52,666 Speaker 1: do you have another name you want to throw in 512 00:24:52,706 --> 00:24:55,906 Speaker 1: the mix? Man? I mean from my era, I would 513 00:24:55,906 --> 00:24:58,106 Speaker 1: say Tyson, you know, on the one coming up, I 514 00:24:58,146 --> 00:25:01,426 Speaker 1: think I'm not mistaken. Prior to Buster Douglas, did anybody 515 00:25:01,466 --> 00:25:03,706 Speaker 1: even go past five rounds? No, it wasn't. I don't 516 00:25:03,706 --> 00:25:05,186 Speaker 1: think there's a single one. In fact, I think most 517 00:25:05,226 --> 00:25:07,226 Speaker 1: of them are within two rounds. Coming up as a 518 00:25:07,266 --> 00:25:10,466 Speaker 1: teenager into college, like that was the one. You know, 519 00:25:10,506 --> 00:25:12,106 Speaker 1: like how exciting that was to see a fight. So 520 00:25:12,186 --> 00:25:14,986 Speaker 1: probably because it was that era of time of what 521 00:25:15,106 --> 00:25:17,906 Speaker 1: that felt like, that would be Um the one I 522 00:25:17,986 --> 00:25:20,946 Speaker 1: probably connected with the most Um. But I would say 523 00:25:20,986 --> 00:25:24,826 Speaker 1: at the end of it, Um from a middleweight, I 524 00:25:24,866 --> 00:25:27,186 Speaker 1: would say, like my two favorites like love the Four 525 00:25:27,306 --> 00:25:31,226 Speaker 1: Kings if you've watched that, yes documentary, but like seeing Haggler, 526 00:25:31,346 --> 00:25:35,146 Speaker 1: seeing Hearns, like seeing Mary Leonard, Like those ones to me, 527 00:25:35,506 --> 00:25:37,946 Speaker 1: those are some of my favorites, like above all times. 528 00:25:37,946 --> 00:25:41,946 Speaker 1: So I'd say I'm still going with Tyson because of 529 00:25:42,146 --> 00:25:45,186 Speaker 1: our era or my era, and then pass that some 530 00:25:45,226 --> 00:25:47,866 Speaker 1: of the middleweights from that time we're really cool to watch. Well, 531 00:25:47,906 --> 00:25:50,506 Speaker 1: you mentioned Haggler and Hearns. Of course you have Duran 532 00:25:50,666 --> 00:25:53,306 Speaker 1: Leonard Um and then of course you have you know 533 00:25:53,346 --> 00:25:55,546 Speaker 1: the Olympics where Leonard goes off and then and then 534 00:25:55,546 --> 00:25:58,586 Speaker 1: they fight again in the Olympics. Your favorite fight of 535 00:25:58,626 --> 00:26:00,466 Speaker 1: all time. If you were to say, you can watch 536 00:26:00,506 --> 00:26:02,386 Speaker 1: any fight on a fight pass and put it on 537 00:26:02,506 --> 00:26:04,946 Speaker 1: right now, we're watching a boxing matchic could be anything, 538 00:26:05,026 --> 00:26:07,666 Speaker 1: could be. Do you want to talk about Prince n Sima? Men? 539 00:26:07,786 --> 00:26:10,066 Speaker 1: We can watch him? Who are you going with? If 540 00:26:10,066 --> 00:26:12,306 Speaker 1: we're watching any fight in the history of boxing. If 541 00:26:12,306 --> 00:26:15,666 Speaker 1: I had to go out to Vegas, the fourteen year 542 00:26:15,706 --> 00:26:17,586 Speaker 1: old version of me would like to be at Hagler 543 00:26:17,626 --> 00:26:20,946 Speaker 1: Herns and to see the piece of that, because when 544 00:26:20,946 --> 00:26:24,506 Speaker 1: you watch it, there is a element of like, this 545 00:26:24,626 --> 00:26:28,106 Speaker 1: is going so hard so fast, that like, no, no chance, 546 00:26:28,146 --> 00:26:30,466 Speaker 1: this is going you know, twelve rounds, let a little 547 00:26:30,466 --> 00:26:32,426 Speaker 1: fifteen rounds. I would say, if I had to pick one, 548 00:26:32,946 --> 00:26:35,426 Speaker 1: that probably would have been one. I remember taping it 549 00:26:35,466 --> 00:26:38,386 Speaker 1: as a kid on my BHS and then put it 550 00:26:38,386 --> 00:26:41,146 Speaker 1: back in to watch it again and just seeing that 551 00:26:41,226 --> 00:26:44,626 Speaker 1: look at intensity and uh so I love obviously both 552 00:26:44,826 --> 00:26:47,306 Speaker 1: Haggler and Hers, so to see both of them go 553 00:26:48,026 --> 00:26:51,266 Speaker 1: um from the Motor City Cobra to marvelous Marvin Hagler, 554 00:26:51,386 --> 00:26:54,066 Speaker 1: like those two totally, who are two that I looked 555 00:26:54,106 --> 00:26:56,786 Speaker 1: up to? Um at all times. Now, Look, I know 556 00:26:56,826 --> 00:26:59,986 Speaker 1: you're not getting into media anytime soon. You've got a 557 00:26:59,986 --> 00:27:02,026 Speaker 1: lot of coaching left to do. But if I was 558 00:27:02,066 --> 00:27:03,506 Speaker 1: to put you on the spot and say, you face 559 00:27:03,626 --> 00:27:07,146 Speaker 1: the Eagles twice this year, you faced Kyle the last 560 00:27:07,146 --> 00:27:09,466 Speaker 1: two years in the playoffs, what is something that you, 561 00:27:09,546 --> 00:27:13,146 Speaker 1: as a defensive coordinator would be watching if it's Eagles 562 00:27:13,106 --> 00:27:15,066 Speaker 1: And I know the sore might be a little too 563 00:27:15,066 --> 00:27:16,746 Speaker 1: fresh or the wound might be a little too fresh 564 00:27:16,746 --> 00:27:19,466 Speaker 1: coming off a Sunday, But just from an objective standpoint, 565 00:27:19,786 --> 00:27:22,386 Speaker 1: knowing these teams inside and out, knowing these coaches inside 566 00:27:22,386 --> 00:27:24,666 Speaker 1: and out, what's something that your I immediately looks at 567 00:27:24,786 --> 00:27:26,586 Speaker 1: as far as a matchup goes, or maybe what you 568 00:27:26,626 --> 00:27:28,706 Speaker 1: would be keying in on for this game? Right? I 569 00:27:28,706 --> 00:27:32,026 Speaker 1: think Peter on this team, both of them are really 570 00:27:32,666 --> 00:27:34,666 Speaker 1: going to be like third down is going to be 571 00:27:34,706 --> 00:27:38,066 Speaker 1: the thing because both teams, You're not gonna have thirteen 572 00:27:38,106 --> 00:27:40,506 Speaker 1: possessions in this game. Both teams can run it and 573 00:27:40,586 --> 00:27:43,306 Speaker 1: play pass and possess it. So when it gets to 574 00:27:43,346 --> 00:27:46,666 Speaker 1: that third down, who can answer in Philadelphia's pass rush 575 00:27:46,746 --> 00:27:49,946 Speaker 1: is just excellent. So if San Francisco can live in 576 00:27:49,986 --> 00:27:52,346 Speaker 1: the third and ones and third and twos and threes 577 00:27:52,386 --> 00:27:55,386 Speaker 1: and fours, that to me would make all the difference 578 00:27:55,386 --> 00:27:58,026 Speaker 1: in the same thing on the Philadelphia side, you know, 579 00:27:58,066 --> 00:27:59,866 Speaker 1: if they can live in third and ones, twos and 580 00:27:59,906 --> 00:28:02,266 Speaker 1: threes and not let some of the guys ripping off 581 00:28:02,266 --> 00:28:05,186 Speaker 1: the edge. So I think whoever is most effective on 582 00:28:05,226 --> 00:28:08,386 Speaker 1: the early downs to play third down into the smaller 583 00:28:08,386 --> 00:28:13,866 Speaker 1: amounts will neutralize both teams biggest strength. And they've really 584 00:28:13,906 --> 00:28:18,026 Speaker 1: got rush ability of Philadelphia and San Francisco. So if 585 00:28:18,066 --> 00:28:20,746 Speaker 1: you can play that third down into some smaller windows, Peter, 586 00:28:20,866 --> 00:28:22,746 Speaker 1: that to me is going to be the key. Because 587 00:28:23,186 --> 00:28:26,186 Speaker 1: this is not going to be a I said this 588 00:28:26,186 --> 00:28:29,426 Speaker 1: this one might be this one. It's not gonna be pretty. 589 00:28:29,426 --> 00:28:31,546 Speaker 1: I said, I would pay top dollar like I would 590 00:28:31,546 --> 00:28:34,786 Speaker 1: for Haggler hearns just to watch the trenches alone, and uh, 591 00:28:34,986 --> 00:28:38,546 Speaker 1: both lines are excellent and just the ability of these 592 00:28:38,546 --> 00:28:41,986 Speaker 1: guys are creative in different ways of how they utilized 593 00:28:42,146 --> 00:28:46,386 Speaker 1: you know, the run game. And so we're San Francisco, 594 00:28:46,506 --> 00:28:49,866 Speaker 1: it's a you know, it's Febo at backfield, it's McCaffrey 595 00:28:49,866 --> 00:28:53,026 Speaker 1: back there, it's perimeter stuff, it's pin and pull. And 596 00:28:53,866 --> 00:28:57,626 Speaker 1: with Philadelphia it's the utilization potentially of the quarterback of 597 00:28:58,026 --> 00:29:00,306 Speaker 1: could be a run, could be a key, could throw 598 00:29:00,306 --> 00:29:02,866 Speaker 1: it to the flat. So he's kind of a triple 599 00:29:02,946 --> 00:29:07,466 Speaker 1: threat where San Francisco is going to be exceptional at 600 00:29:07,466 --> 00:29:09,826 Speaker 1: some of the explosive plays where they can block you 601 00:29:09,906 --> 00:29:12,306 Speaker 1: up and take your shots downfield, but it looks like 602 00:29:12,346 --> 00:29:14,746 Speaker 1: a run. Let's say neither team is going to get 603 00:29:14,746 --> 00:29:17,226 Speaker 1: back into a lot of dropback. I would say there's 604 00:29:17,226 --> 00:29:18,746 Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of runs and a lot of 605 00:29:18,746 --> 00:29:20,986 Speaker 1: play passes. And you're right, I see this being a 606 00:29:21,026 --> 00:29:23,906 Speaker 1: really close game. I can't wait last question, And I 607 00:29:23,906 --> 00:29:26,386 Speaker 1: appreciate you so much knowing how busy you are. A 608 00:29:26,426 --> 00:29:30,066 Speaker 1: bunch of teams looking for their next head coach, looking 609 00:29:30,106 --> 00:29:32,306 Speaker 1: for any sort of leader in the building. I always 610 00:29:32,306 --> 00:29:34,706 Speaker 1: asked this to coaches and general managers on interview on 611 00:29:34,706 --> 00:29:40,066 Speaker 1: the show. Leadership to you means what I would say, 612 00:29:40,066 --> 00:29:44,546 Speaker 1: It's a really making the tough decisions, you know, and 613 00:29:44,786 --> 00:29:48,226 Speaker 1: when those come up, being really strong and convicted onto those, 614 00:29:48,266 --> 00:29:50,466 Speaker 1: because when you're a leader, not all of them are 615 00:29:50,466 --> 00:29:52,306 Speaker 1: going to be popular, you know, and you're gonna have 616 00:29:52,346 --> 00:29:53,946 Speaker 1: to make some tough ones that are going to be there. 617 00:29:53,986 --> 00:29:57,066 Speaker 1: But I think for me, some people talk about culture 618 00:29:57,106 --> 00:29:58,946 Speaker 1: a lot. You've heard that thing a lot, and I 619 00:29:58,986 --> 00:30:02,546 Speaker 1: think culture and environment are different things. Like I'm upbeat, 620 00:30:02,746 --> 00:30:04,626 Speaker 1: So you talked about the music and the energy and 621 00:30:04,746 --> 00:30:08,426 Speaker 1: the competition, But like the thing about the culture there 622 00:30:08,426 --> 00:30:12,666 Speaker 1: in Seattle in Atlanta was competition. Breeds that the music 623 00:30:12,786 --> 00:30:14,746 Speaker 1: was good, we were losing. But at the end of 624 00:30:14,746 --> 00:30:18,026 Speaker 1: the day, you better compete and do it every single day. 625 00:30:18,106 --> 00:30:21,346 Speaker 1: And so when that is things that you live by here, 626 00:30:21,386 --> 00:30:24,866 Speaker 1: I think that's where culture and your leadership can show through. 627 00:30:25,466 --> 00:30:28,546 Speaker 1: Really being the example every day. And guys who are 628 00:30:28,586 --> 00:30:31,746 Speaker 1: out in front, who lead, especially as a head coach 629 00:30:31,786 --> 00:30:34,506 Speaker 1: or a general manager, Uh, you better embrace that being 630 00:30:34,546 --> 00:30:36,466 Speaker 1: out in front and making the tough decisions when you 631 00:30:36,506 --> 00:30:38,546 Speaker 1: have to say this is how we're gonna go get 632 00:30:38,546 --> 00:30:40,666 Speaker 1: it on and do it, and here's why, and uh 633 00:30:40,906 --> 00:30:43,186 Speaker 1: then you let it rip. One of my favorite slogans 634 00:30:43,266 --> 00:30:45,146 Speaker 1: that you gave and I'm sure you took it from 635 00:30:45,186 --> 00:30:47,106 Speaker 1: somewhere else and maybe from the Navy Seals or whatever 636 00:30:47,146 --> 00:30:49,706 Speaker 1: it was, but obviously after the Super Bowl loss, you said, 637 00:30:49,706 --> 00:30:52,586 Speaker 1: embrace the suck. And I've heard a lot of teams 638 00:30:52,626 --> 00:30:54,746 Speaker 1: us that since I've heard a lot of coaches us 639 00:30:54,826 --> 00:30:57,426 Speaker 1: that since I think there's something to it, and I 640 00:30:57,466 --> 00:31:00,666 Speaker 1: think everyone and not just football in life. If you 641 00:31:00,666 --> 00:31:03,106 Speaker 1: can look at adversity in the face and say, Okay, 642 00:31:03,146 --> 00:31:05,706 Speaker 1: this is happening. I've got to embrace the suck and 643 00:31:05,746 --> 00:31:07,746 Speaker 1: move on it. I think there's a lot of strength 644 00:31:07,746 --> 00:31:09,826 Speaker 1: in that as well. Yeah, because it's not you don't 645 00:31:09,826 --> 00:31:11,666 Speaker 1: blame it, you know, don't. It's kind of like your 646 00:31:11,746 --> 00:31:13,946 Speaker 1: either warrior. You're gonna be the victim here, and if 647 00:31:13,946 --> 00:31:15,546 Speaker 1: you're gonna be the warrior, then you go after it 648 00:31:15,626 --> 00:31:17,266 Speaker 1: to say I'm gonna enjoy this fight and it's gonna 649 00:31:17,266 --> 00:31:19,146 Speaker 1: be hard, but I'm gonna do it. And if you're 650 00:31:19,146 --> 00:31:21,386 Speaker 1: the victim, then it's too easy. You know. We don't 651 00:31:21,386 --> 00:31:23,506 Speaker 1: have enough players, are too many injuries. You know, bal 652 00:31:23,586 --> 00:31:26,866 Speaker 1: didn't bounce our way like hell with that. So it's 653 00:31:26,906 --> 00:31:30,746 Speaker 1: really how you choose to fight for it. And when 654 00:31:30,746 --> 00:31:33,306 Speaker 1: you take on that that mindset, I just think it 655 00:31:33,346 --> 00:31:35,426 Speaker 1: can carry over into so many parts of your life 656 00:31:35,826 --> 00:31:37,666 Speaker 1: when hey, this is worth fighting for it. I'm gonna 657 00:31:37,706 --> 00:31:40,426 Speaker 1: fight my ass off for it, whatever it takes. It takes. 658 00:31:40,746 --> 00:31:42,826 Speaker 1: You got me ready to run through a wall. Dan Quinn, 659 00:31:42,906 --> 00:31:44,906 Speaker 1: Thank you, bro. I know you're busy this week. This 660 00:31:44,946 --> 00:31:47,186 Speaker 1: means the world to me. Congrats on another great season 661 00:31:47,626 --> 00:31:50,786 Speaker 1: and uh, congrats with whatever comes in the future. All right, lifetime, 662 00:31:50,826 --> 00:31:53,186 Speaker 1: I respect my brother. I love you, dude. Thank you 663 00:31:54,226 --> 00:31:57,746 Speaker 1: Dan Quinn amazing as always. Uh. D Q is an 664 00:31:57,786 --> 00:31:59,666 Speaker 1: all time leader and an all time good guy, and 665 00:32:00,026 --> 00:32:01,986 Speaker 1: gosh are we lucky to have him on the podcast. 666 00:32:02,066 --> 00:32:08,426 Speaker 1: All right, guys more after this. Alright. So last year, 667 00:32:08,546 --> 00:32:11,386 Speaker 1: I'm at the Super Bowl in Los Angeles and I'm 668 00:32:11,386 --> 00:32:14,186 Speaker 1: in one of these awesome seats because I worked for 669 00:32:14,226 --> 00:32:17,226 Speaker 1: the NFL Network and they hooked me up with these 670 00:32:17,266 --> 00:32:20,346 Speaker 1: great tickets and I've got like fifty yard line dream 671 00:32:20,426 --> 00:32:22,306 Speaker 1: come true. I'm next to my wife and next to 672 00:32:22,386 --> 00:32:25,266 Speaker 1: Kyle Bram next to his wife, and we're watching this 673 00:32:25,386 --> 00:32:27,626 Speaker 1: Rams Bengals game and it's an all time classic. And 674 00:32:27,666 --> 00:32:29,426 Speaker 1: I look behind me and there's a really good looking 675 00:32:29,506 --> 00:32:33,186 Speaker 1: dude in a number one Jamaar Chase jersey, and he's 676 00:32:33,266 --> 00:32:37,506 Speaker 1: cheering for the Bengals hard time out comes along. I 677 00:32:37,626 --> 00:32:42,226 Speaker 1: make eye contact with them, introduce himself, says I'm Jimmy Chase, 678 00:32:42,506 --> 00:32:47,346 Speaker 1: Jamaar Chase's father on my podcast right now on this season. 679 00:32:47,906 --> 00:32:50,986 Speaker 1: I'm so excited to have him. Jimmy Chase, Welcome to 680 00:32:51,026 --> 00:32:56,026 Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm doing great. Jimmy and I have been 681 00:32:56,066 --> 00:32:59,146 Speaker 1: texting over the last twelve months because I find his 682 00:32:59,186 --> 00:33:02,026 Speaker 1: insights on football awesome and I think he is a 683 00:33:02,106 --> 00:33:06,106 Speaker 1: great ambassador of not only UH the NFL, but also 684 00:33:06,626 --> 00:33:10,226 Speaker 1: his son and his Bengals team journey. Jimmy, were you 685 00:33:10,346 --> 00:33:13,786 Speaker 1: in Buffalo last week? If so, what was the atmosphere 686 00:33:13,786 --> 00:33:15,946 Speaker 1: and what was it like wearing a Bengals jersey in 687 00:33:15,946 --> 00:33:19,986 Speaker 1: that building? It was crazy? Yes, I was in Buffalo. Okay. 688 00:33:20,466 --> 00:33:24,346 Speaker 1: It was a stressful game for me because I flew 689 00:33:24,426 --> 00:33:27,746 Speaker 1: in the day of right and they had a snow 690 00:33:27,826 --> 00:33:31,106 Speaker 1: store in Cincinnati and I almost missed a game, so 691 00:33:31,546 --> 00:33:36,946 Speaker 1: I was having a connection. I've never been late for 692 00:33:36,986 --> 00:33:40,066 Speaker 1: a game. I was late for the game. Really. Yeah, 693 00:33:40,146 --> 00:33:42,706 Speaker 1: Jamal has scored his first touchdown before I got to 694 00:33:42,786 --> 00:33:44,866 Speaker 1: my seat. You weren't even there that first drive when 695 00:33:44,866 --> 00:33:46,906 Speaker 1: they go right down the field. No, I was on 696 00:33:47,026 --> 00:33:51,386 Speaker 1: the way watching it on the phone. But uh, there 697 00:33:51,386 --> 00:33:55,106 Speaker 1: were panned out. It was great. It was great. Yeah, 698 00:33:55,146 --> 00:33:57,786 Speaker 1: it was great. I think a lot of people thought 699 00:33:57,786 --> 00:33:59,786 Speaker 1: Buffalo would have all the emotion and be able to 700 00:33:59,866 --> 00:34:02,426 Speaker 1: go and then right away two touchdowns in a row 701 00:34:02,426 --> 00:34:05,906 Speaker 1: and Cincinnati establishes themselves. I started off this podcast Jimmy 702 00:34:06,466 --> 00:34:10,746 Speaker 1: talking about how this Bengals team, though celebrated, it's often 703 00:34:10,866 --> 00:34:14,026 Speaker 1: overlooked as a father of one of the star players. 704 00:34:14,186 --> 00:34:16,106 Speaker 1: Do you feel that as well, that maybe we in 705 00:34:16,146 --> 00:34:19,306 Speaker 1: the media and maybe the NFL as a whole start 706 00:34:19,346 --> 00:34:22,466 Speaker 1: showcasing some different teams and different players more than maybe 707 00:34:23,066 --> 00:34:28,306 Speaker 1: those boys in Cincinnati. Well, uh, I guess you can 708 00:34:28,386 --> 00:34:31,666 Speaker 1: see that, you know, But to me from where I'm 709 00:34:31,706 --> 00:34:37,186 Speaker 1: sitting there, it looks like the people that know football knows. Yeah, 710 00:34:37,586 --> 00:34:41,426 Speaker 1: you've got some bandwagon reporters and then you've got some 711 00:34:41,506 --> 00:34:45,106 Speaker 1: real reporters who, like you know, stick and stay on, 712 00:34:45,186 --> 00:34:47,466 Speaker 1: didn't know what the real deal is. So you know, 713 00:34:47,506 --> 00:34:49,466 Speaker 1: I take all of that and stride and I know 714 00:34:49,546 --> 00:34:53,226 Speaker 1: who's who and I know what's what now. Obviously, your 715 00:34:53,346 --> 00:34:56,026 Speaker 1: son and Joe Burrow go back a long way, but 716 00:34:56,106 --> 00:34:58,306 Speaker 1: there was a great photo after the Super Bowl of 717 00:34:58,386 --> 00:35:01,026 Speaker 1: you and Joe's dad, and I think it was after 718 00:35:01,066 --> 00:35:03,066 Speaker 1: the a f C Championship game that it got through. 719 00:35:03,066 --> 00:35:06,266 Speaker 1: In tuer Bowl, you and U Joe Burrows father both 720 00:35:06,426 --> 00:35:09,226 Speaker 1: ooking cigars after your sons took care of business and arrowhead. 721 00:35:10,026 --> 00:35:12,546 Speaker 1: I love this. What's the relationship amongst all the fathers 722 00:35:12,546 --> 00:35:15,546 Speaker 1: of these players, as you guys all have now created relationship, 723 00:35:15,626 --> 00:35:19,626 Speaker 1: especially you and Joe's dad going back to l s U. Yeah, well, 724 00:35:19,666 --> 00:35:21,986 Speaker 1: you know, like the parents, we see each other all 725 00:35:22,026 --> 00:35:24,906 Speaker 1: the time, you know, like your parents are really hands 726 00:35:24,906 --> 00:35:27,146 Speaker 1: on with the kids. You know. So we're at the game, 727 00:35:27,586 --> 00:35:29,866 Speaker 1: we're at the tell gat. You know, we might see 728 00:35:29,906 --> 00:35:32,666 Speaker 1: him here and might see him there. You know, me 729 00:35:32,786 --> 00:35:35,666 Speaker 1: and Joe daddy Jimmy were kind of connected by the hip. 730 00:35:35,706 --> 00:35:39,186 Speaker 1: Now you know, it's like, look like we're gonna be 731 00:35:39,266 --> 00:35:42,866 Speaker 1: doing this for a minute. So you know, we just 732 00:35:42,946 --> 00:35:46,986 Speaker 1: take off and we're getting our cigars ready for this weekend. Yeah, 733 00:35:47,466 --> 00:35:50,426 Speaker 1: as you should. Um take us back to l s U. 734 00:35:50,586 --> 00:35:54,306 Speaker 1: Jamar's a top prospect coming out of New Orleans and 735 00:35:54,306 --> 00:35:57,946 Speaker 1: then they get this this transfer student coming from Ohio 736 00:35:57,986 --> 00:36:00,066 Speaker 1: State who couldn't get on the field of Ohio State. 737 00:36:00,826 --> 00:36:03,306 Speaker 1: What was your reaction? What was your overall reaction. L 738 00:36:03,426 --> 00:36:06,746 Speaker 1: s U obviously is a big Louisiana school and here 739 00:36:06,746 --> 00:36:09,586 Speaker 1: comes this kid from Ohio. What was the reaction when 740 00:36:09,666 --> 00:36:12,386 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow stepped on campus For all of you guys, well, 741 00:36:13,386 --> 00:36:16,826 Speaker 1: it was an unknown factor. You know. I told Jamar, 742 00:36:16,906 --> 00:36:18,626 Speaker 1: you know, Jamar didn't want to go to l s U. 743 00:36:19,506 --> 00:36:22,626 Speaker 1: And it was like, like they got this guy, Joe Burrow, 744 00:36:22,706 --> 00:36:24,666 Speaker 1: He's coming in. He said, he's pretty good. Like there, 745 00:36:24,866 --> 00:36:26,506 Speaker 1: I don't want to deal with that, dude, you know 746 00:36:26,546 --> 00:36:29,066 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And I'm like, Jamal, we don't have 747 00:36:29,106 --> 00:36:32,426 Speaker 1: a choice. You know, like everybody knows that l s 748 00:36:32,546 --> 00:36:37,386 Speaker 1: U underutilize their receivers. Yeah, back then before that, right, 749 00:36:37,626 --> 00:36:39,626 Speaker 1: So I'm like, when you go to the league, people 750 00:36:39,626 --> 00:36:42,906 Speaker 1: are gonna know that you're pretty good because LSU did 751 00:36:43,026 --> 00:36:46,186 Speaker 1: news you in the right way. But then when Joe 752 00:36:46,306 --> 00:36:50,026 Speaker 1: and Jamar got there, LU changed that concept and you 753 00:36:50,066 --> 00:36:54,266 Speaker 1: know the rest is history. Yeah, uh bluetnic cough winner 754 00:36:54,546 --> 00:36:58,666 Speaker 1: and then obviously, uh he teams up with Justin Jefferson 755 00:36:58,666 --> 00:37:00,466 Speaker 1: and it's one of the most electric offenses of all 756 00:37:00,506 --> 00:37:04,226 Speaker 1: time Burrow. There are sixty touchdown passes that season. Jamar's 757 00:37:04,266 --> 00:37:07,186 Speaker 1: the recipient of a bunch of them. Uh. What special 758 00:37:07,346 --> 00:37:09,266 Speaker 1: was that time at l s U and all those 759 00:37:09,266 --> 00:37:11,666 Speaker 1: guys were clicking and he got Patrick Queen on defense 760 00:37:11,706 --> 00:37:13,666 Speaker 1: and all the rest of the guys as they now 761 00:37:13,706 --> 00:37:16,786 Speaker 1: emerging our stars in the NFL. Man that year was 762 00:37:16,866 --> 00:37:20,426 Speaker 1: so crazy, Peter, you don't guess what the best part 763 00:37:20,426 --> 00:37:24,706 Speaker 1: of the season was. Practice? Okay, Yeah. I would go 764 00:37:24,786 --> 00:37:26,946 Speaker 1: to all the practice as well whenever I could, like 765 00:37:27,306 --> 00:37:30,626 Speaker 1: two times after week, right, And practice was like so 766 00:37:30,706 --> 00:37:35,146 Speaker 1: intense with that team, like Jamore and Derek Stigley used 767 00:37:35,186 --> 00:37:38,986 Speaker 1: to fight every day and pct okay, and I'm hanging 768 00:37:38,986 --> 00:37:41,706 Speaker 1: out with Derek Stigley's dad, me and him standing next 769 00:37:41,706 --> 00:37:44,066 Speaker 1: to each other on the sideline and they break out 770 00:37:44,106 --> 00:37:47,106 Speaker 1: in the fight in front of us, right, so the 771 00:37:47,106 --> 00:37:49,386 Speaker 1: whole staff looking at me and him. I'm like, I'm 772 00:37:49,386 --> 00:37:52,666 Speaker 1: not fighting, like looking at it, right. But the practice 773 00:37:52,746 --> 00:37:55,066 Speaker 1: was intense. But that was that was a really good team. 774 00:37:55,226 --> 00:37:56,946 Speaker 1: Yeah it was. And then you go on this wild 775 00:37:57,026 --> 00:38:00,426 Speaker 1: ride and then the tomorrow takes off that year due 776 00:38:00,466 --> 00:38:02,346 Speaker 1: to COVID and says I'm gonna just wait this out. 777 00:38:02,786 --> 00:38:04,786 Speaker 1: That was tough. I'm sure for all you guys, knowing 778 00:38:04,986 --> 00:38:07,706 Speaker 1: what competitors you are. Was that year like the year 779 00:38:07,826 --> 00:38:10,586 Speaker 1: where Jamaar Chase did not play college football and waited 780 00:38:10,586 --> 00:38:14,026 Speaker 1: for the NFL draft the following season, that was really stressful. 781 00:38:14,946 --> 00:38:18,746 Speaker 1: That was really stressful because Number one, uh Jamaar didn't 782 00:38:18,746 --> 00:38:22,706 Speaker 1: really want to opt out, right, and we had to 783 00:38:22,746 --> 00:38:26,946 Speaker 1: make some uh business decisions, you know. I told him 784 00:38:26,986 --> 00:38:29,946 Speaker 1: he needed to start thinking about his speech. He wasn't 785 00:38:29,946 --> 00:38:32,826 Speaker 1: really crazy about it, but he understood it in the end. 786 00:38:33,066 --> 00:38:36,306 Speaker 1: You know. Then after he was watching the games, he 787 00:38:36,386 --> 00:38:38,066 Speaker 1: was ready to go back to school. He's like, then 788 00:38:38,066 --> 00:38:39,666 Speaker 1: a boy the back here. I'm like, hold on, man, 789 00:38:39,706 --> 00:38:43,186 Speaker 1: wait a minute. You can't make an emotional decision like that, right, 790 00:38:43,426 --> 00:38:46,266 Speaker 1: Because he wanted to help his team so bad, right, 791 00:38:46,426 --> 00:38:50,146 Speaker 1: so he just started coaching him from the phone, would coach. 792 00:38:50,586 --> 00:38:53,226 Speaker 1: They would call him after every game. We were called 793 00:38:53,266 --> 00:38:56,866 Speaker 1: them before the game, so he was really coaching the team. Obviously, 794 00:38:56,946 --> 00:38:59,266 Speaker 1: you're so tight with your son and you have served 795 00:38:59,266 --> 00:39:03,266 Speaker 1: as such a great mentor for him. That preseason. I'll 796 00:39:03,266 --> 00:39:05,946 Speaker 1: never forget he had three drops in a game or 797 00:39:05,946 --> 00:39:08,106 Speaker 1: a pray this, and everyone was ready to call Jamar 798 00:39:08,226 --> 00:39:11,266 Speaker 1: chase a bust. I don't think Jamar ever lost a 799 00:39:11,306 --> 00:39:13,946 Speaker 1: step of confidence. What were the conversations like with father 800 00:39:14,026 --> 00:39:17,146 Speaker 1: to son when the media started nitpicking every pass that 801 00:39:17,186 --> 00:39:20,026 Speaker 1: he was dropping During the summertime, they put me on 802 00:39:20,066 --> 00:39:23,466 Speaker 1: a band was MoMA and his agent took my phone 803 00:39:23,786 --> 00:39:26,786 Speaker 1: and he told me I couldn't see it, and I 804 00:39:26,866 --> 00:39:30,186 Speaker 1: was living. I was living. I'm still man with the 805 00:39:30,226 --> 00:39:33,426 Speaker 1: reporter that started because I know who it was, Okay, 806 00:39:33,746 --> 00:39:38,146 Speaker 1: but Cecinnati, the Cecinnati folks didn't know who Jamal was, 807 00:39:38,866 --> 00:39:40,826 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And then they were so 808 00:39:40,946 --> 00:39:44,866 Speaker 1: used to like bad things happening to them and Cincinnati, 809 00:39:45,506 --> 00:39:47,546 Speaker 1: so they was just you know, waiting for the Bowl 810 00:39:47,626 --> 00:39:51,306 Speaker 1: and drop drop, you know, they took that at the 811 00:39:51,466 --> 00:39:53,186 Speaker 1: ran with it. But I was living. And then he 812 00:39:53,226 --> 00:39:55,186 Speaker 1: goes on and has the greatest season ever had by 813 00:39:55,226 --> 00:39:57,866 Speaker 1: a rookie in the NFL, a wide receiver, and that 814 00:39:57,866 --> 00:40:00,506 Speaker 1: that is Randy Moss, that is Justin Jefferson, that is 815 00:40:00,506 --> 00:40:03,866 Speaker 1: Odell Beckham. Now, US draft nicks and US guys who 816 00:40:03,906 --> 00:40:06,146 Speaker 1: followed the league said, wow, okay, he came out of 817 00:40:06,666 --> 00:40:08,666 Speaker 1: Were you at all surprised he came out of the 818 00:40:08,746 --> 00:40:10,826 Speaker 1: gates like he did and then tore up the league 819 00:40:10,866 --> 00:40:13,226 Speaker 1: the way he did in year one? Well, you know, 820 00:40:13,346 --> 00:40:16,186 Speaker 1: as a father, right, the people have been telling you this, 821 00:40:16,786 --> 00:40:19,706 Speaker 1: like he could be this, he could be that. You know, 822 00:40:20,226 --> 00:40:22,066 Speaker 1: first they said he was a top five pick, and 823 00:40:22,106 --> 00:40:25,186 Speaker 1: I was like, okay, yeah, all right. Then they said 824 00:40:25,186 --> 00:40:27,226 Speaker 1: he could be you know, you take over the league. 825 00:40:27,586 --> 00:40:30,306 Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, okay, all right, you know 826 00:40:30,346 --> 00:40:33,346 Speaker 1: that's my son. Right then Chris Carter. I heard Chris 827 00:40:33,346 --> 00:40:37,826 Speaker 1: Carter say on the NFL network that Jamara was the 828 00:40:37,866 --> 00:40:40,866 Speaker 1: best rookie ever. And then when Chris Carter say it, 829 00:40:41,346 --> 00:40:43,666 Speaker 1: I had to take a step back and like he 830 00:40:43,706 --> 00:40:48,626 Speaker 1: knows when he's talking about you got your validation there. 831 00:40:49,986 --> 00:40:52,026 Speaker 1: I'm dying to meet him so I could thank him 832 00:40:52,106 --> 00:40:55,706 Speaker 1: because he was the first one to see it, right 833 00:40:55,786 --> 00:40:58,866 Speaker 1: then Randy Moss saying it right, and then when those 834 00:40:58,866 --> 00:41:02,186 Speaker 1: two guys said it, I was like, wow, yeah, it's 835 00:41:02,226 --> 00:41:06,586 Speaker 1: really really I started off this podcast talking about out 836 00:41:07,346 --> 00:41:09,986 Speaker 1: how they you know, the defensive coordinators got no head 837 00:41:09,986 --> 00:41:13,106 Speaker 1: coaching interviews all season. It was Alan or Mahomes, Alan 838 00:41:13,186 --> 00:41:16,066 Speaker 1: or Mahomes. Here's Burrow And then of course you've got 839 00:41:16,586 --> 00:41:21,146 Speaker 1: this game this week and it's all about Mahomes. Ankle Um, 840 00:41:21,586 --> 00:41:23,986 Speaker 1: what's the feeling amongst Bengals fans as you guys have 841 00:41:24,066 --> 00:41:26,186 Speaker 1: beaten Mahomes and Andy read the last three times you 842 00:41:26,306 --> 00:41:30,466 Speaker 1: face them. Well, they're they're pretty confident. They're pretty confident, 843 00:41:30,546 --> 00:41:34,026 Speaker 1: you know. But as a former football player and as 844 00:41:34,146 --> 00:41:36,226 Speaker 1: as a competitor. I know it's not going to be 845 00:41:36,266 --> 00:41:39,106 Speaker 1: a kate walker. You know, we're going to you know, 846 00:41:39,186 --> 00:41:41,506 Speaker 1: we play in the jungle, and they're really about to 847 00:41:41,546 --> 00:41:44,386 Speaker 1: go into a jungle in Kansas City because they're I know, 848 00:41:44,426 --> 00:41:46,786 Speaker 1: they're waiting on the Bankers, you know. So it's gonna 849 00:41:46,786 --> 00:41:49,506 Speaker 1: be a tough match. But the Bengal has been doing it. 850 00:41:49,546 --> 00:41:51,506 Speaker 1: They've been pulling it out, and like we have all 851 00:41:51,506 --> 00:41:55,266 Speaker 1: the confidence in the world. They gotta they gotta stop us. 852 00:41:55,746 --> 00:41:58,546 Speaker 1: That's the that's the sentiment with the bank They got 853 00:41:58,546 --> 00:42:01,906 Speaker 1: to stop us. Jamaar has been an amazing college and 854 00:42:01,946 --> 00:42:04,386 Speaker 1: pro player. When did you first know that your son 855 00:42:04,546 --> 00:42:08,066 Speaker 1: was special as a ball player. I knew he was 856 00:42:08,146 --> 00:42:14,346 Speaker 1: special way back in uh middle league, right one, right, 857 00:42:14,626 --> 00:42:17,866 Speaker 1: But I always wanted to see how special he was, right, 858 00:42:18,226 --> 00:42:20,266 Speaker 1: So I was always looking for him to go against 859 00:42:20,506 --> 00:42:25,066 Speaker 1: the top competition. So as we progressed through high school 860 00:42:25,106 --> 00:42:28,146 Speaker 1: and stuff like that, and you know, no one could 861 00:42:28,266 --> 00:42:32,266 Speaker 1: press him one on one. So I would always come 862 00:42:32,346 --> 00:42:34,266 Speaker 1: up with the skip. But that guy wasn't that good. 863 00:42:35,146 --> 00:42:36,986 Speaker 1: They said he was good, but he wasn't. Like, let's 864 00:42:36,986 --> 00:42:39,386 Speaker 1: see somebody else, and then he would get that guy 865 00:42:39,426 --> 00:42:41,146 Speaker 1: and I was like, but he wasn't that good either, 866 00:42:41,386 --> 00:42:43,546 Speaker 1: Let's see somebody else. And then the next thing I 867 00:42:43,626 --> 00:42:46,186 Speaker 1: know was like when he went to l s U. 868 00:42:46,346 --> 00:42:49,906 Speaker 1: He went through all the top corners that C. J. Henderson, 869 00:42:50,666 --> 00:42:53,106 Speaker 1: h A. J. Terrell, a couple of other guys. Was 870 00:42:53,226 --> 00:42:57,466 Speaker 1: it was a lot of cornerbacks. Certan in Alabama Certan right, 871 00:42:58,266 --> 00:43:02,106 Speaker 1: dig right? We did everybody that year except the guy 872 00:43:02,266 --> 00:43:08,706 Speaker 1: okafor at Ohio State and yeah, Okola, Yeah, that's why 873 00:43:08,706 --> 00:43:12,106 Speaker 1: I wanted him to go against But he paid out 874 00:43:12,146 --> 00:43:14,306 Speaker 1: pretty good against all the cornerbacks. So that's when I 875 00:43:14,386 --> 00:43:16,866 Speaker 1: knew you might be a little special. Take us through 876 00:43:16,946 --> 00:43:19,186 Speaker 1: draft night. You guys are sitting there, there's talks of 877 00:43:19,186 --> 00:43:22,466 Speaker 1: either Penas Sewell or Jamaar Chase going to Cincinnati. We 878 00:43:22,586 --> 00:43:25,186 Speaker 1: know Joe Burrows there and we have since heard that 879 00:43:25,226 --> 00:43:27,666 Speaker 1: Burrow kind of gave Zach Teller that had not and said, yeah, 880 00:43:27,666 --> 00:43:29,106 Speaker 1: if you can get me my guy, that would be 881 00:43:29,146 --> 00:43:32,346 Speaker 1: really appreciated. When did you know Cincinnati and what was 882 00:43:32,386 --> 00:43:35,426 Speaker 1: your reaction when he was selected. We kind of always 883 00:43:35,506 --> 00:43:38,146 Speaker 1: knew it was gonna be hard for Cescinnati to pass 884 00:43:38,186 --> 00:43:41,586 Speaker 1: a month. You know, Jamart told me you said that 885 00:43:42,306 --> 00:43:44,426 Speaker 1: if I get with Joe, We're gonna kill. I'm like, 886 00:43:44,786 --> 00:43:47,026 Speaker 1: slow it down something I don't know. I mean, I 887 00:43:47,146 --> 00:43:51,746 Speaker 1: like NFL Sunday, I like Joe, but this is Cincinnati, 888 00:43:51,946 --> 00:43:54,386 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Like that, I'm just telling 889 00:43:54,386 --> 00:43:56,226 Speaker 1: you that if I get with Joe, We're gonna kill, 890 00:43:56,746 --> 00:43:59,546 Speaker 1: you know. And then Draft night come and they got 891 00:43:59,586 --> 00:44:01,066 Speaker 1: a lot of you know, a lot of things go 892 00:44:01,146 --> 00:44:05,946 Speaker 1: on before the pack, right, so it was Miami, Atlanta 893 00:44:06,426 --> 00:44:08,946 Speaker 1: and Delphia. It was a lot of teams in the mix. 894 00:44:09,866 --> 00:44:13,306 Speaker 1: And then when Cecinnati came, it was like it was 895 00:44:13,426 --> 00:44:15,986 Speaker 1: a bit of a relief. But Jamal was pretty happy 896 00:44:16,026 --> 00:44:18,426 Speaker 1: with that. He's got happy to get back with Joke 897 00:44:19,226 --> 00:44:22,866 Speaker 1: and it's been great ever since. Uh. In closing, there 898 00:44:22,906 --> 00:44:25,626 Speaker 1: are a lot of you know, fathers who are listening 899 00:44:25,666 --> 00:44:28,786 Speaker 1: to this podcast, fans of the NFL. Would be your 900 00:44:28,786 --> 00:44:31,546 Speaker 1: one piece of wisdom. If their dreams are to see 901 00:44:31,586 --> 00:44:34,106 Speaker 1: their kid excel at the highest level. How do you 902 00:44:34,146 --> 00:44:37,106 Speaker 1: be a father that isn't so involved that he turns 903 00:44:37,146 --> 00:44:39,066 Speaker 1: his kid off from the game, But then it's also 904 00:44:39,186 --> 00:44:41,986 Speaker 1: involved just enough to be the perfect support system while 905 00:44:42,026 --> 00:44:44,466 Speaker 1: he makes his rise to the league. But you have 906 00:44:44,506 --> 00:44:47,146 Speaker 1: to know your kid, right, you know how to motivate him. 907 00:44:47,146 --> 00:44:49,746 Speaker 1: You got to know how he takes, you know, and 908 00:44:49,786 --> 00:44:53,826 Speaker 1: you gotta give and take. You can't be hold on him. 909 00:44:53,826 --> 00:44:56,986 Speaker 1: You know. I'm the holders on Jama in anybody. Yeah, 910 00:44:57,066 --> 00:44:58,626 Speaker 1: I give a book, but I'm the only one that 911 00:44:58,706 --> 00:45:03,946 Speaker 1: tells him no, right, No, I had to. I'm a 912 00:45:04,826 --> 00:45:08,586 Speaker 1: I'm a counselor by trade, a social work. Okay, I 913 00:45:09,466 --> 00:45:13,546 Speaker 1: kind of like play a psychological game with him or them, 914 00:45:13,906 --> 00:45:15,466 Speaker 1: you know, And a lot of things I did with 915 00:45:15,506 --> 00:45:18,466 Speaker 1: your mom he didn't understand. And then that's why I 916 00:45:18,506 --> 00:45:20,066 Speaker 1: don't know if you've seen the tape that I did 917 00:45:20,066 --> 00:45:23,786 Speaker 1: on draft night where uh, they asked us to do 918 00:45:23,826 --> 00:45:26,546 Speaker 1: a tape to talk to you something telling congratulations, and 919 00:45:26,586 --> 00:45:28,466 Speaker 1: I did a little thing on it and went viral 920 00:45:28,666 --> 00:45:33,226 Speaker 1: about I was so proud of him, and he did 921 00:45:33,266 --> 00:45:35,706 Speaker 1: all the things that I asked him to do. And 922 00:45:35,746 --> 00:45:37,746 Speaker 1: now he's a grown man. I have to let him go, 923 00:45:38,426 --> 00:45:41,306 Speaker 1: you know, win to hold him, win a folder. And 924 00:45:41,386 --> 00:45:44,266 Speaker 1: I had to give him the past because you know, 925 00:45:44,306 --> 00:45:46,866 Speaker 1: I used to write him hard. I let him know that, 926 00:45:46,946 --> 00:45:50,226 Speaker 1: you know, we're good. I gave him everything that I had, 927 00:45:50,986 --> 00:45:52,786 Speaker 1: and that's why you see him doing what he's doing 928 00:45:52,866 --> 00:45:55,866 Speaker 1: now because he has a lot of information, He has 929 00:45:55,906 --> 00:45:58,386 Speaker 1: a lot of support, and he has a lot of knowledge, 930 00:45:59,026 --> 00:46:01,026 Speaker 1: you know, even though you see he got it from 931 00:46:01,066 --> 00:46:04,266 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, but I gave him to the first story. 932 00:46:07,026 --> 00:46:09,386 Speaker 1: H Jimmy, before I let you go, You'll be in 933 00:46:09,586 --> 00:46:12,346 Speaker 1: Arrowhead on Sunday. I imagine we'll be rocking that number 934 00:46:12,346 --> 00:46:18,266 Speaker 1: one Chase jersey. I'll be an our heat fright, you know, 935 00:46:18,426 --> 00:46:20,706 Speaker 1: missing any flights. You'll be the guy in the number 936 00:46:20,706 --> 00:46:23,426 Speaker 1: one jersey. Maybe smoking a cigar with Burrows dad after 937 00:46:23,426 --> 00:46:26,146 Speaker 1: the game. Huh, We're gonna smoke. We're gonna be smoking 938 00:46:26,186 --> 00:46:30,186 Speaker 1: after the game, especially when we went okay, good luck. 939 00:46:30,226 --> 00:46:33,026 Speaker 1: This weekend, I will be at super Bowl in Arizona. 940 00:46:33,106 --> 00:46:35,066 Speaker 1: We might be hanging out again. We might have another 941 00:46:36,026 --> 00:46:40,026 Speaker 1: definitely out this time. I appreciate you always. I love 942 00:46:40,066 --> 00:46:43,146 Speaker 1: our correspondence, I love our friendship. Uh, and I love 943 00:46:43,146 --> 00:46:45,426 Speaker 1: watching your son playing. It's a testament to you as 944 00:46:45,426 --> 00:46:48,266 Speaker 1: a father. Congratulations and all the great success. Well, I 945 00:46:48,306 --> 00:46:50,546 Speaker 1: just want to say one thing, Peter. I messed with 946 00:46:50,626 --> 00:46:53,546 Speaker 1: you because I love your passion and your knowledge for 947 00:46:53,586 --> 00:46:56,386 Speaker 1: the game. Right. I've seen you did a little piece 948 00:46:56,506 --> 00:47:00,946 Speaker 1: last week about Dallas in San Francisco. Right, I used 949 00:47:00,986 --> 00:47:03,506 Speaker 1: to be back in the days, and you were so 950 00:47:03,586 --> 00:47:07,506 Speaker 1: ampt up about that. I lived that, Okay, I lived it. 951 00:47:07,586 --> 00:47:10,826 Speaker 1: I was there like that was when football was football. 952 00:47:11,586 --> 00:47:14,186 Speaker 1: That was crazy. But I love your passion for the 953 00:47:14,266 --> 00:47:17,226 Speaker 1: game and I love yours. Dude. That is awesome. Good 954 00:47:17,266 --> 00:47:20,146 Speaker 1: luck this weekend. You're the man, Jimmy Chase. Jamar Chase 955 00:47:20,186 --> 00:47:23,266 Speaker 1: has pops and a quite a talent on his own. Jimmy, 956 00:47:23,306 --> 00:47:25,266 Speaker 1: thank you man for joining the season with Peter Shrek. 957 00:47:25,786 --> 00:47:28,626 Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you so much for help. Good luck 958 00:47:28,706 --> 00:47:33,026 Speaker 1: this weekend, Jimmy Chase. Awesome guest. Thanks Jimmy. Let's get 959 00:47:33,026 --> 00:47:35,706 Speaker 1: into the playoff preview presented by our friends at Draft 960 00:47:35,786 --> 00:47:40,506 Speaker 1: Kings Sports Book. As of Tuesday morning, Cincinnati at Kansas 961 00:47:40,506 --> 00:47:45,386 Speaker 1: City has the road team favored. The Bengals are favored 962 00:47:45,866 --> 00:47:48,226 Speaker 1: not by a half a point, not by a point, 963 00:47:48,626 --> 00:47:52,626 Speaker 1: not by a point, by a full two points. Cincinnati 964 00:47:52,746 --> 00:47:55,106 Speaker 1: is favored in Kansas City by a full two points. 965 00:47:55,186 --> 00:47:56,986 Speaker 1: The money line if you like the Bengals is minus 966 00:47:57,026 --> 00:47:58,906 Speaker 1: one fifteen. If you like the Chief this minus one 967 00:47:58,906 --> 00:48:01,506 Speaker 1: oh five. The over under the total is forty seven. 968 00:48:01,586 --> 00:48:03,426 Speaker 1: If you're bet in the over, it's minus one fifteen. 969 00:48:03,466 --> 00:48:05,586 Speaker 1: If you're bet in the under, it's minus one oh five. 970 00:48:06,186 --> 00:48:09,826 Speaker 1: That spread is about Mahomes's ankle and Mahomes's ankle only. 971 00:48:10,546 --> 00:48:13,146 Speaker 1: I think if Mahomes's ankle is healthy, that's a three 972 00:48:13,146 --> 00:48:15,706 Speaker 1: and a half point chief spread. I think no one 973 00:48:15,746 --> 00:48:18,506 Speaker 1: knows what we're getting with Mahomes. And this is why 974 00:48:18,546 --> 00:48:20,946 Speaker 1: this week is so important. You get these bets in 975 00:48:20,986 --> 00:48:23,866 Speaker 1: on Tuesday, you start breaking it down on Tuesday. It's 976 00:48:23,946 --> 00:48:27,266 Speaker 1: very different than what we might have on Saturday. Um, 977 00:48:27,386 --> 00:48:31,466 Speaker 1: let me explain. I think we're gonna have real accurate 978 00:48:31,906 --> 00:48:35,666 Speaker 1: and good idea based on whether he practices during the week, 979 00:48:36,466 --> 00:48:39,346 Speaker 1: whether he's walking at practice. Because here's the thing. When 980 00:48:39,386 --> 00:48:43,626 Speaker 1: the conference championship game is there, all the national media 981 00:48:44,026 --> 00:48:46,946 Speaker 1: is split into two cities. They're they're either in Kansas 982 00:48:47,026 --> 00:48:49,746 Speaker 1: City for the game or they're in Philadelphia for the game, 983 00:48:49,786 --> 00:48:51,146 Speaker 1: And if you want to go a little bit earlier 984 00:48:51,146 --> 00:48:53,226 Speaker 1: in the week, they're in just four cities. So usually 985 00:48:53,706 --> 00:48:57,466 Speaker 1: it's not crazy math. You've got thirty two teams and 986 00:48:57,706 --> 00:49:00,946 Speaker 1: sixteen games in a week, right, so you've got reporters 987 00:49:00,986 --> 00:49:03,946 Speaker 1: from your staff if you're ESPN or NFL Network, all 988 00:49:03,946 --> 00:49:08,386 Speaker 1: over the place. This week, got four cities, and you're 989 00:49:08,386 --> 00:49:12,066 Speaker 1: sending multiple reporters to Kansas City, You're sending multiple reporters 990 00:49:12,226 --> 00:49:15,106 Speaker 1: to Philadelphia, You're sending multiple reporters to San frciscon Cincinnati. 991 00:49:15,386 --> 00:49:17,746 Speaker 1: Meaning the scrutiny on this ankle is going to be 992 00:49:17,826 --> 00:49:21,026 Speaker 1: so high from every network, from every reporter, every net magazine, 993 00:49:21,066 --> 00:49:24,346 Speaker 1: every newspaper. Everyone's there, and you better believe the best 994 00:49:24,346 --> 00:49:26,906 Speaker 1: reporters are gonna be focused on this ankle. So if 995 00:49:26,946 --> 00:49:30,506 Speaker 1: I'm looking at Mahomes, and I'm looking at him last week, 996 00:49:30,506 --> 00:49:32,826 Speaker 1: and like I said earlier, I think pure adrenaline was 997 00:49:32,866 --> 00:49:34,786 Speaker 1: a lot of that thing, and Henny did a great 998 00:49:34,826 --> 00:49:39,026 Speaker 1: job leaving the yards. But Jay Glazer's report Sunday was 999 00:49:39,066 --> 00:49:40,946 Speaker 1: like the first Salvos, the first thing we got, And 1000 00:49:40,946 --> 00:49:44,146 Speaker 1: he said that Mahomes woke up on Sunday and felt 1001 00:49:44,146 --> 00:49:46,026 Speaker 1: a lot better than he did Saturday night. Well, that 1002 00:49:46,066 --> 00:49:48,706 Speaker 1: could mean the swelling went down, that could mean that 1003 00:49:48,786 --> 00:49:50,826 Speaker 1: he slept with at forty five degrees in the air. 1004 00:49:50,906 --> 00:49:54,426 Speaker 1: We don't know, but I promise you by Friday and Saturday, 1005 00:49:54,506 --> 00:49:56,746 Speaker 1: the information will be different than when you're listening to 1006 00:49:56,746 --> 00:49:59,826 Speaker 1: this now on Tuesday and Wednesday, and that spread will 1007 00:49:59,906 --> 00:50:03,706 Speaker 1: reflect that. If you think you saw that injury and 1008 00:50:03,786 --> 00:50:08,186 Speaker 1: mahomes ankle is worse the and it might be at 1009 00:50:08,266 --> 00:50:10,146 Speaker 1: the end of that game when he was throwing that 1010 00:50:10,226 --> 00:50:14,306 Speaker 1: jump touchdown to Marquez Valdez scantling, well, then go with Cincinnati. 1011 00:50:14,346 --> 00:50:16,106 Speaker 1: Go with your gut. 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Uh. 1057 00:52:32,826 --> 00:52:37,506 Speaker 1: And Jimmy Chase Jamaar Chase's father. Awesome guy, great perspective 1058 00:52:37,746 --> 00:52:40,786 Speaker 1: and a huge, huge football fan. We know he'll be 1059 00:52:40,826 --> 00:52:45,866 Speaker 1: in Kansas City rocking with those Bengals on Sunday. Guys, 1060 00:52:45,906 --> 00:52:47,906 Speaker 1: Thank you for listening each week. The feedback keeps on 1061 00:52:47,946 --> 00:52:50,146 Speaker 1: getting better and better, and I feel like we're getting 1062 00:52:50,146 --> 00:52:52,426 Speaker 1: more and more listeners. As always. I want to thank 1063 00:52:52,466 --> 00:52:57,826 Speaker 1: Aaron Won Kaufman, start producer from I Heart Radio, Jason English, 1064 00:52:58,106 --> 00:53:01,106 Speaker 1: also an I Heart hero, and then we've got Matt 1065 00:53:01,106 --> 00:53:04,066 Speaker 1: Schneider and Jason Kleman over at the NFL Network who 1066 00:53:04,066 --> 00:53:06,306 Speaker 1: do a fine job with all the digital stuff, and 1067 00:53:06,426 --> 00:53:09,546 Speaker 1: in our music man, the legend that is Jack Rudd. 1068 00:53:09,586 --> 00:53:11,786 Speaker 1: He puts together that funky beat that's underneath me. Right 1069 00:53:11,826 --> 00:53:32,026 Speaker 1: now until next week, guys, enjoy the games. The Season 1070 00:53:32,066 --> 00:53:34,826 Speaker 1: with Peter Schrager is a production of the NFL and 1071 00:53:34,866 --> 00:53:37,746 Speaker 1: partnership with I Heart Radio. 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