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Speaker 1: I know you're like, what's Emily doing in the speed today?

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Speaker 1: It's a Friday.

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Speaker 2: Well, here I am special episode of Hurdle Emily Abadi

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Speaker 2: here excited to bring you a conversation I had last

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Speaker 2: week in Los Angeles. This special episode, I have the

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Speaker 2: opportunity to sit down with Nike Master Trainer and Pyro

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Speaker 2: girl Christy Godzo, as well as Catherine Lee.

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Speaker 3: She is a.

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Speaker 2: Model, and we had a talk all about running to

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Speaker 2: celebrate Nike's newest sneaker launch. It is called the joy Ride. Now, firstly,

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Speaker 2: let's talk about the joy Ride. The joy Ride is

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Speaker 2: launching globally on August fifteen. The shoe is pretty much

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Speaker 2: made for people that can't stand running. Yes, I know

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Speaker 2: you're wondering what in the world does that mean. So

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Speaker 2: maybe it's because you don't love the impact that running

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Speaker 2: can have on your body, or because maybe it's just

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Speaker 2: not your idea of fun. Regardless, the sneaker is made

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Speaker 2: on top of a dynamic footbed, which is full of

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Speaker 2: these little itty bitty beads. They formed your foot and

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Speaker 2: ultimately they make the run easier on your legs.

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Speaker 1: Trust me, I know it sounds too good to be true.

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Speaker 2: I gave the Sneaker a good, good test, a good

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Speaker 2: few tests actually, since my time in Los Angeles, I've

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Speaker 2: probably logged about i'd say fifteen sixteen miles in it.

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Speaker 2: And the best way I can describe the sensation is

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Speaker 2: it feels as though you're walking on bubble wrap, but

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Speaker 2: the bubbles aren't popping. It's super comfortable, really cozy, really

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Speaker 2: great recovery sneaker. I'd say perfect for a five k

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Speaker 2: something around that distance, and it looks pretty cool. Now

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Speaker 2: what you're going to get out of this episode out

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Speaker 2: of our conversation again, the Sneaker is marketed toward recovery,

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Speaker 2: toward the runner who feels like it might not necessarily

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Speaker 2: always be their jam, and that's okay.

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Speaker 1: So we're talking about the hard stuff. We're talking about.

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Speaker 2: How we got into running, why running makes us feel good,

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Speaker 2: how we pushed through some of those runs that just

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Speaker 2: the sport and bringing us together, and just this idea

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Speaker 2: that you can be from anywhere, love anyone, do anything,

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Speaker 2: and have a mutual connection with someone else that.

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Speaker 1: Runs, and that is pretty freakin' awesome.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to make this intro super long Here

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Speaker 2: as always at Hurdle Podcast at Emily a Body. You

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Speaker 2: can connect with Christy Godso and Katherine Lee on Instagram

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Speaker 2: as well. It's just at Christy Godso and Catherine is

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Speaker 2: at Katie Lee c A T I E L I.

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Speaker 1: And that's it. With that, Let's get to hurdling.

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Speaker 2: Hey, guys, I know a lot of you. I'm super

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Speaker 2: stoked to be here with you guys today to chat

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Speaker 2: about running in honor of the launch of joy Ride.

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Speaker 2: If I don't know you, my name is Ema a Body.

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Speaker 2: I'm a writer and an editor. I'm also a podcaster,

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Speaker 2: so I wear a lot of hats, and today I'm

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Speaker 2: here wearing.

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Speaker 1: My podcast hat. I have a podcast called.

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Speaker 2: Hurdle for Hurdle, I talk to everyone from entrepreneurs to

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Speaker 2: CEOs about how they've gotten through tough times in their

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Speaker 2: life hurdles of sorts by leaning into wellness now sixty

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Speaker 2: six episodes in as of Monday. I had my own

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Speaker 2: personal hurdle moment which was kind of the jumping off

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Speaker 2: point for this, where I lost about seventy pounds in college.

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Speaker 2: Some of that through learning to eat better, but the

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Speaker 2: other half of that by learning to love running. You know,

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Speaker 2: running was really hard for me growing up. I didn't

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Speaker 2: I'm a seven time marathoner and training for Chicago. So

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Speaker 2: everyone has a different story when it comes to sport,

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Speaker 2: and I am very fortunate that mine has become part

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Speaker 2: So today on our panel, we're gonna be talking about

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Speaker 2: runn We're gonna be chatting some good stuff. First off,

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Speaker 2: I've got Kirsty god So Nike Master Trainer Pyro Girl

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Speaker 1: What does that look like? So okay, God give me

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Speaker 3: So I am obviously a trainer by my actual job

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Speaker 3: My journey with running has been really interesting. Actually, I

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Speaker 3: There's really not much to do, so, you know, we

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Speaker 3: My brother and I did dirt biking for a long

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Speaker 1: Initially I was like, oh, that that kind of sucks.

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Speaker 3: But through my relationship with Nike, who I've been working

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Speaker 4: with Nike talking about running like ever, that's like really

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Speaker 5: I mean, I grew up always I think, wanting.

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Speaker 5: And st stuff like that. I mean, free gym, you

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Speaker 4: I think that's like completely normal. Everybody has a struggle

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Speaker 1: Congrats on CHICAO.

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Speaker 3: Like when you're in and now the type of workout

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Speaker 4: Know, seventeen And then after that was like I'm angry,

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Speaker 2: All the feelings at once, Yeah, all the feelings at once.

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Speaker 2: I love that that the both of you are saying

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Speaker 2: that it can suck sometimes, right, Like, it can be

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Speaker 2: I mean I think we have that in common actually,

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Speaker 2: but really, like what gets you out on the days

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Speaker 1: So what makes you move when you don't want to

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Speaker 5: It's that after feeling.

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Speaker 4: I think that feeling when you've done that mile or

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Speaker 4: if you've done that really hard workout, you just I

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Speaker 4: don't think anybody cannot not agree that after they work out,

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Speaker 4: And usually it's like for me bringing a friend or

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Speaker 2: York City, all of which are like very big guys

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Speaker 2: that are out there and running and making a major

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Speaker 2: impact in the local community.

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Speaker 1: And so for you, do you feel like you're making a.

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Speaker 2: Difference for the people that maybe follow you on social media,

443
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Speaker 2: that are reaching out to you and saying, I see

444
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Speaker 2: you do this.

445
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Speaker 1: So I feel like I am capable.

446
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Speaker 5: Now, Yeah, I got a lot of messages.

447
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Speaker 4: It was a really good you know, I'm glad I

448
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Speaker 4: was able to inspire a lot of people.

449
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Speaker 5: But when you're actually in the marathon, it's not just

450
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Speaker 5: for different sizes but ages too.

451
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Speaker 4: I was running in this old man literally walked power

452
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Speaker 4: walked like past me.

453
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Speaker 5: So it's like it's not you know, running doesn't discriminate.

454
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Speaker 4: And I think we see so much in media, you know,

455
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Speaker 4: really athletic people running, and so I think that we

456
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Speaker 4: people like me that are sized fourteen, we think that's

457
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Speaker 4: out of reach.

458
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Speaker 5: And you know, Nike's been.

459
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Speaker 4: Really great on just like providing, you know, showcasing different

460
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Speaker 4: sizes and trying to promote that. But it if I

461
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Speaker 4: can do it at a size fourteen, like anybody can

462
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Speaker 4: do it, you know what I mean, It's it shouldn't

463
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Speaker 4: be defined to a size or an age, you know

464
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Speaker 4: what I mean. It's it's for everybody, and it's not

465
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Speaker 4: about necessarily speed.

466
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Speaker 5: For some people, it's about just distance or just the fun.

467
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Speaker 1: Of doing it.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, and I mean curiosy. I look at you

469
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Speaker 2: and like you are pyro. You are jumping all over

470
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Speaker 2: the place. You can do like twenty things before I

471
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Speaker 2: can do one, generally speaking, So when it comes to running,

472
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Speaker 2: like what makes you want to take on this challenge

473
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Speaker 2: when you've already become such a queen of her own court.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if I want to say it's ego,

475
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Speaker 3: because I I don't desire to like have a like

476
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Speaker 3: have a great like.

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Speaker 1: Marathon time or like anything.

478
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Speaker 3: But actually, we did the fastest mile in New York,

479
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Speaker 3: and that was probably when I used to first start

480
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Speaker 3: thinking about I was like, you know, I still talk

481
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Speaker 3: in kilometers to be honest. I've lived in the States

482
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Speaker 3: now for like nearly five years, so I guess I

483
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Speaker 3: should really drop celsius and kilometers. But we were doing

484
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Speaker 3: the fastest mile and they were like, choose your time,

485
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Speaker 3: like predict what you think you're going to run it in,

486
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Speaker 3: and I was like, okay, like maybe seven.

487
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Speaker 1: Minutes would be good or do try go for it?

488
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Speaker 3: And then we ran it, and I remember just being like,

489
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Speaker 3: I'm just gonna follow Ashley Wilking, like I'm not gonna

490
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Speaker 3: try beat her, but as long as I can see

491
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Speaker 3: this perfect blonde ponytail, like that's gonna be a good time,

492
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Speaker 3: and she is fast, and like I still had no

493
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Speaker 3: real concept and I when we talk about pyro, I

494
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Speaker 3: thought my lungs were on fire. But I did, like

495
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Speaker 3: I did a six or six and I was like, okay,

496
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Speaker 3: that was cool, given I did no training for that.

497
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Speaker 3: But then I was immediately pissed at myself. I was like,

498
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Speaker 3: you know, you really could have gone under sex if

499
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Speaker 3: you just tried a bit more. And so then that

500
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Speaker 3: seed was in my head. I was like, Okay, what if,

501
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Speaker 3: like I cracked a six minute mile time, or what

502
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Speaker 3: if I did a different time.

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Speaker 5: So I have that side of my personality.

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Speaker 3: Which is a bit psycho, and then I have the

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Speaker 3: other side that's just like I don't care about the logistics.

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Speaker 1: I just want to be out here, to be out here.

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Speaker 3: Maybe I'm going out with the intention of running what

508
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Speaker 3: feels like five k and I run three. Maybe I

509
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Speaker 3: run a surprise eight but the point being just that

510
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Speaker 3: I'm out there and then I'm not harassing myself about

511
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Speaker 3: like a split or like you know, times metrics. Just

512
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Speaker 3: just feel my foot and be guided by how my

513
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Speaker 3: heart rate feels, and be guided if I have some

514
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Speaker 3: escapism from my brain. So so I just trained for

515
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Speaker 3: three months to run a six h six mile, So

516
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Speaker 3: you are crushing. But I think the thing that's important

517
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Speaker 3: to point out also is just again going back to

518
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Speaker 3: this idea that everyone's run is different, and like even

519
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Speaker 3: if you're running with the group, you still get the

520
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Speaker 3: opportunity to feel the run yourself. And I think that

521
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Speaker 3: that feeling again, like speaking to to what Kat was saying,

522
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Speaker 3: is what continually brings you back to running.

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Speaker 2: It's how you feel after and it's kind of conquering

524
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Speaker 2: the steps along the way, right, because like what if

525
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Speaker 2: you're running a five k, Like where's your head at

526
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Speaker 2: at mile one?

527
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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 2: I hate the first three, the first the whole Oh

529
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Speaker 2: so the first three before it's.

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Speaker 5: Like one three or just the worst.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so just the point one of the where we're

532
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Speaker 3: good at getting there, Like I can turn up to

533
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Speaker 3: the run, I'm like great, I put my little math

534
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Speaker 3: William best on has my AirPods in it and my

535
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Speaker 3: apartment key how New York, you know, And then so

536
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Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm ready for this. But the first like

537
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Speaker 3: three kilometers, I'm like, this is awful. And then I

538
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Speaker 3: might only be planning to run three or five kilometers.

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Speaker 1: But by after three kilometers, that's when it starts to

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Speaker 1: feel good and I'm like, oh, first kind of sexy here.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, maybe I'm going to run longer, but I

542
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Speaker 3: just know if I can get through that first three.

543
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Speaker 3: So for me, generally, I try not to run like

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Speaker 3: under three kilometers because then it's.

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Speaker 1: Just like not enjoyable.

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Speaker 3: But if I at least run four, I know there

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Speaker 3: was like a kilometer of enjoyment, just oneometer because one Yeah.

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Speaker 5: For me, it's just I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I just anything like one mile a half mile that

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Speaker 4: that's good for me. I mean, I don't know, I'm

551
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Speaker 4: just getting out there.

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Speaker 1: To me, it's just I think the.

553
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Speaker 3: Cool thing is too like you forget, like other people

554
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Speaker 3: see you and it inspires them in one way or another.

555
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Speaker 3: It's like, you know, when you see someone that's out

556
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Speaker 3: there picking up trash just to be like a good person,

557
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Speaker 3: You're like damn, like you can't help, but like then

558
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Speaker 3: be like I should do that or like, so I

559
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Speaker 3: think running school because you can't.

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Speaker 1: You can't avoid it.

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Speaker 3: It's one of the best ways to see any city,

562
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Speaker 3: like when you travel. For me, I'm super geographically challenged,

563
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Speaker 3: so like I like to run to try and figure

564
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Speaker 3: out like where I am. Like people will be like, yeah,

565
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Speaker 3: just go north at Pamba and might excuse me.

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Speaker 1: Like what I would do is being like you have

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Speaker 1: no idea.

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Speaker 3: Even when I look at apartment say like its great

569
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Speaker 3: light faces north, I'm like, I'm like what does that mean?

570
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Speaker 3: So running is like my way to like figure out

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Speaker 3: where I am and like great way to find good

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Speaker 3: coffee spots, you know, good way to meet people.

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Speaker 2: As we start to wind down, what I want to

574
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Speaker 2: know from the both of you is on the days

575
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Speaker 2: that it's tough, what is one thing that you implement

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Speaker 2: to make the run more enjoyable.

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Speaker 4: I think running is such an impressive sport, meaning that

578
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Speaker 4: people don't run every day, So when somebody says I

579
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Speaker 4: ran on mile today, it's still impressive.

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Speaker 5: You know that.

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Speaker 4: So for me to get me out there to make

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Speaker 4: it enjoyable, I go to like favorite scenic parts that

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Speaker 4: I like, or I run with somebody For me, I

584
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Speaker 4: don't necessarily now that I've done the marathon, I don't

585
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Speaker 4: train with music like I don't.

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Speaker 5: It doesn't I don't get a.

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Speaker 4: Stimulated I'd rather listen to a podcast or talk to

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Speaker 4: somebody while I run. And so I think running with

589
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Speaker 4: somebody is a great way of doing it, doing little

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Speaker 4: running parties, you know what, with your friends.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that sounds like something you guys both would really do.

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Speaker 2: A running party. A running party, I mean, I throw

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Speaker 2: a running party. I'm running a pizza half marathon next weekend.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know what that means. We can talk

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Speaker 1: about that's fine.

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Speaker 5: Oh, I do agree like running with people.

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Speaker 3: Like sometimes I feel like I've become like the you

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Speaker 3: know how your app could send you like a lot

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Speaker 3: and be like are we running today? And like that's

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Speaker 3: my favorite text to like send sometimes with my friends.

601
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Speaker 3: Or like if you're going to run from your own

602
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Speaker 3: apartments to like meet somewhere in the middle, like that's

603
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Speaker 3: always a good thing. Or my goal is I'm like

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Speaker 3: run far from home because then you have to like

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Speaker 3: run back. We'll get on the city bike either or

606
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Speaker 3: but yeah, like I think phoning in a friend like

607
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Speaker 3: being it together.

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Speaker 1: It's fun when you get to share that moment with

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Speaker 1: someone else.

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Speaker 2: Like I said, I have my sights set on Chicago.

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Speaker 2: What is on your radar doesn't have to be a race,

612
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Speaker 2: but where do you see your relationship with running taking

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Speaker 2: you in the next few months or the next year.

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Speaker 3: I would like to consistently be running, like twice a week.

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Speaker 3: That'd be a nice place for me around the other

616
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Speaker 3: training I'm doing.

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Speaker 1: I like it. It's a little maintenance goal.

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Speaker 4: But I got a lot of messages from just people

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Speaker 4: that were inspired to run but just didn't know how

620
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Speaker 4: to start. So instead of messaging them like the long

621
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Speaker 4: because it's a long process of explaining it, I decided

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Speaker 4: that I wanted to start and I hate running running

623
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Speaker 4: club and which is just for people, just for everybody,

624
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Speaker 4: people who just have kids or that are you know, curvier,

625
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Speaker 4: or just want to learn how to run. So hopefully

626
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Speaker 4: in the next couple of months that will happen. I'm

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Speaker 4: waiting for the heat to die down, because that's also

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Speaker 4: a way.

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Speaker 2: People don't want to run because it's too you know

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Speaker 2: what I mean, A few more rapid fires to finish

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Speaker 2: us off. These are your favorite thing about speaking in public?

632
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Speaker 2: I'm sure okay. Favorite Nike running shoe the structures.

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Speaker 5: I actually really love Freeze because I like being closely ground.

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Speaker 1: Okay. Favorite distance to run past five? Five k or

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Speaker 1: five k.

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00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 5: One like a little twenty minute run.

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Speaker 1: What time of day do you like running best? Evening morning?

638
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 1: Early morning.

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Speaker 2: One song on your running playlist all out too? If

640
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:21,360
Speaker 2: you have two that stand out?

641
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:26,679
Speaker 3: Oh, just Us by DJ Khalied okay, and then actually

642
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 3: I'm on one with DJ Khalid.

643
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 1: And Drake DJ Khalid for Kirsty. It's a great album.

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Speaker 5: Guys, do the Drake playlist.

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Speaker 4: But I also listen what was it that podcast U

646
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Speaker 4: Vanish or something like that that was really good?

647
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 2: Podcasts are good and last, but not least, one word

648
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 2: to describe how you feel when you're done running. Oh,

649
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 2: that's how you feel like a boss.

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Speaker 5: It's not one would I'm like legs up the wool.

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Speaker 1: Awesome. Thanks you guys so much for setting down with me.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, bag, and there you have it.

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Speaker 2: You know, I don't usually do outros, but I think

654
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Speaker 2: it's really important just to reiterate that there's not one

655
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Speaker 2: type of runner, you know.

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Speaker 1: During this conversation.

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Speaker 2: We are three very different women who have three very

658
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Speaker 2: different goals, who all enjoy getting out there, lacing up

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Speaker 2: and having good times. So, if you like this conversation,

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Speaker 2: if you want to hear more like it, if you

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Speaker 2: have any input on who you want to hear on hurdle,

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Speaker 2: make sure you give me a shout again. It's at

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Speaker 2: Emily Abadi at Hurdle Podcast. Another hurdle conquered. Catch you

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Speaker 2: guys next time